How to Boot from USB when computer doesn't have USB Boot option: PLOP Boot Manager
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- With the PLOP Boot Mananger, you can boot from CD-ROM drive on a 386 or 486 and boot from USB flash drive on old computers that have a USB port, but do not support USB booting.
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I've been fighting with bootable media, USB and floppies for years and never heard about this option until now.
Absolutely wonderful content, thank you Phil!
Drinking game: take a shot everytime Phil says "Plop" 😂
PLOP
So many old PCs brought to life again with PLOP... I remember that it was super useful when Linux distributions started having bigger and bigger ISO images that couldn't fit on a CD anymore.
Sometimes it fails if there's more than one USB device connected at a time on some machines but usually swapping USB ports fixes it. Legendary tool.
I always had this in my IT arsenal back in the day in case i hit one of those no usb boot machines like the one i had. Worked amazing, on some boards the USB shows up as USB and on some as a HDD but it worked in both cases.
Hahaha I was fighting with an old HP I was about to search for my PLOP Boot CD and saw this notification!
Thanks!
Oh, that was the name of it, cool. I distinctly remember using the floppy version of this in 2019 to get a CD-R of MemTest booting on a Pentium 133MHz machine that otherwise couldn't boot from CD, but forgot the name of the program since then. That starfield background in particular was what I remember about it, so seeing it right near the start of this video made it real easy to put 2 and 2 together. (The RAM was fine, btw, MemTest was more to gauge the worth of this RAM I got off eBay than it was a diagnostic for any existing error.)
Seriously!? THIS EXISTS!? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Tried to fix my mom's old laptop some time ago which doesn't support USB booting! I had to use PXE, which was a pain in the butt to set up.
Well, next time I know what to use. Thank you!
I used this function recently on a 2004 laptop and it worked very well. Great video and great recommendation for those who didn't know! :)
The boot screen looks very cool !
This is something that will save me time on my Non-USB bootable P4 machine, Thanks Phil!
Very useful tool, I haven´t used it in years, I remember using it sometime in 2013 when I was testing gnu/linux installation images on an old Pentium II Laptop I had around. It worked fine as I remember.
Awesome video! I use plop boot manager on my p4 machine to boot from USB sticks and I hope to use easy2boot with it. I also love how the plop boot manager allows you to customize the boot menu according to your needs.
Nice video Phil. Sometime ago I remember using Plop on a floppy disk to get Windows 10 installed. This particular PC just wouldn't boot from USB otherwise. A floppy saving the day is amusing I think.
This is excellent, super handy. Thank you Phil
Thank you very much for your frequent tips about retro machines Phil. I'm sure this tool will give us agility to install OSs and play with them, I'm gonna test it right now ;)
Very nice piece of software. Other than having to find a floppy or CDR it saves a lot of headache. I once had no access to floppy or cdrom booting let alone usb, but what I did have was a USB to IDE cable. So what I did was plug it in to a modern PC, create a VM and connect up the IDE disk. I then prepped it as much as I could (make it boot, copy drivers, win98 cd contents etc) before transferring it back to the retro PC. It worked great! You can also do it with an SD or CF card if you use those.
Yes I as well have used the PLOP Boot Manager and it worked well for me.
Thanks for highlighting this Phil, I will get a lot of use out of this!
Thank you Phil, always with super useful information You rock. 👍
Oh how cool is this! I've often resorted to putting a hard drive in another PC to get installation files on or even once PXE before and that's bloody difficult to get working!
It makes more sence when you boot PLOP from hdd or install it into BIOS as option ROM. PLOP also can speed up usb booting of large images sometimes.
Finally not me the only one who use this very usefull tools. :D
Man, I miss my AX6BC. I don't know why but I'm really nostalgic for that motherboard.
I'm pretty sure I considered that one back in the day. Like so many others, I ended up going with the Abit BH6.
Great board! Only negative is the location of floppy port. AOpen, come on!!!
This boot manager saved me many times!
What?? This is awesome! Thanks for making this video, Phil!
No problem getting Cds/DVDs/BDRs in the UK! Poundland do blank CDs and DVD+/-Rs. You can get the others online but I have a good stash myself. Booting from USB is more convenient of course!
Great info... Happy New Year, I hope 2022 is awesome for you.
Fun fact about PLOP you can burn it to a rom chip and install that into the option rom socket of a network card and then when "network booting" the computer it will instead boot into PLOP.
Happy new year Phil
Thank you for talking about Plop. I was using it to boot my 486 dx4 with pci off usb about 10 years ago.
There's also Plop 6 which supports efi machines but it's only in testing right now.
Really Cool! If you have a gotek, seems USB pen drive is all you need!!
I really don't understand what they were thinking back in the day. I've had s775 computers that didn't support usb boot while some other old crusty slot 1 board with 440lx chipset did. It truly was/is a hit or miss ordeal lol
Tell me about it. I used to dread working on Sony computers because there was hardly any way to boot from them during this era. I don't think you could even boot from Memory Stick, which was really stupid considering the tech was already losing to every other option.
Thanks Phil! This seems like a super-useful tool and I have no idea how I haven't heard of it earlier! I'll be interested in seeing how it works with the USB optical drive emulator that I just picked up (the iodd 2531).
Yes this will work with your ISO USB gadget :D
@@philscomputerlab i have ? For you i cannot find it myself
Win98 retro
SilverStone Technology GD08B Home Theater Computer Case
asus a7n266 vm/aa
AMD atalon xp 2000+
512mb ram
2g/16g 2hd CF cards
Geforce4 128mb
Lots of those boards out there has built in gpu (geforce2) and sound
I can put 1g ram (after .ini change or unofficial patch) .. gpu used can be bumped up to 256mb
Will those 2 things benifite win98?
Thanks Phil, such a useful tool and yet I never heard of it :)
This is a useful tool, although I have no idea how to set up profile for the PLOP Boot Manager (like custom names and stuffs)
In Melbourne it's not too hard to find recordable optical media. Officeworks still sell CD-Rs. Kodak branded CD-Rs are also sold at my local Reject Shop.
I recall using PLOP 15+ years ago to boot and install FreeBSD from CD on a 486.
I used Plop Boot Manager and it does a great job. It usually works fine except sometimes it does not work well with certain usb flash drives, I can still use SHIFT+U or SHIFT and USB from menu to try to boot from the usb flash. It will work or it just does nothing presenting with a red error or hangs.
Plop boot manager might not like certain socket 478/lga775 + award bios gigabyte boards: the menu for cdrom/floppy/usb appears but the selection line looks weird and won't let us select what we want.
One thing I wasn't able to do so far is to make plop option rom to work. We inject the option rom into bios file, flash the bios file and it should appear after we boot pass post without needing floppy/cd. For the option rom to work, we need a chip on the motherboard for the ethernet that handles pxe boot.
0:33 2015 is somehow both newer and older than I'd expect from such a project.
A suggestion for a video, if you think it is interesting enough for the viewers of your channel: 16 vs 32-bit performance and quality difference on the cards from 1999 and 2000.
At this point in time, it might be just easier to have an small and old IDE HDD with Plop (mbrinstall) plus other tools / installers, than to find a working floppy (+ it's drive) or a CD (plus it's drive).
Happy new year!
Hi Phil, Happy New Year!!!
Very interesting! Thank You!
I've stashed away around 5000 blank Cd's and 3000 DVD+R / DVD-R especially those Lightscribe ones. I mostly use CDRW or DVDRW media unless its something worth burning then Lightscribe print on the surface. of course I have other medias like Superdisk, Zip 100/250 :)
This PLOP is amazing!
I didn't know about this utility. I always found a way to install systems on older hardware though. Linux and its DD command on the original hard drive usually makes the trick. It also allows me to rebuild linux installation with a different file system like f2fs specially suited for flash medias, sd or compactflash
Thank you so much Phils
I've been stocking up on CD-Rs whenever I see them at garage sales mostly because I have concerns about the future of rewritable optical media.
Plus I do use CD-Rs for certain projects anyway (like burning PS1 games).
Phil, thanks. Interesting thing.
i use this tool alot for computer's with very limited bios settings for boot support.
plop is fantastic, it's super useful.
That's really cool, I want to check it out now.
I want to hear more about this!
Very, very useful! Thank you!
Very helpful 💾 Thx for sharing
I have used PLOP before, but a few PCs the USB would not boot using PLOP for some reason. those same usb would boot on a more modern PC, but not the PII 233 or PIII 333 , and yes they were setup with Fat not ntfs or something like that. I believe plop just did not see the USB or did not support the USB chipset to see the drive.
great thing, have an older pc can run win10 but cant install directly from usb, only dvd, but i have only as a usb insaller, so this will help a lot, installing directly win10, next time ill need to
Thank you so much
thanks for the tip
This will be very helpful!
I mainly boot older PC's from a CD. I had once MSI MS-7255 motherboard that refused at all to boot from USB, USB ports worked great there but even with option to boot from USB enabled at BIOS it refused to boot from any pendrive.
Another problem is that some motherboards can boot from USB, but it's limited to USB 1.1 speeds until the os installer changes to 2.0 mode. Can plop change from 1.1 to 2.0 for the installer? UPDATE: Yes, plop will load USB 2.0 drivers, but sadly it freezes with my motherboard (K8VM800M-RH).
Reminds me of the pata optical drive emulator ideas we've talked about a few years back in the comments of one of your Gotek videos. The ability to choose an image from an SSD is something I still like to dream about. What I imagine is a 5.25" drive form factor with a hotsawppable 2.5" sata bay (or maybe even 3.5"), a display and controls for choosing an image, and IDE and MPC-4 ports. Maybe a USB-A port to allow reading and transferring.
I'm not sure how to make this happen, but it definitely seems like something that would be good to have.
Just a matter of time I think. There are such devices for consoles, so shouldn't be too difficult I'm hoping.
Great video, i didn't know this tool !
I hate cd drives, same for floppy but at least floppy is way easier to deal with instead of having blank disks and cdr drive etc. Thank god theres also floppy emus as well.
I had trouble with Plop ona 486 and an athlon and had to use Smart Boot Manager! Plop and Smrt boot Managr are excellent to boot CD's and sometimes even maybe perhaps USB boot! heh,
Plop... hehe... Plop 😂
Useful, thanks!!!
I used PLOP on early as Pentium 1 to boot from USB or CD (as emergency). It worked with SiS (7000?) and VIA USB 2 PCI cards (that I added because no USB onboard or USB 1.1 only). Also recognized correctly USB 1 and 2 on all motherboards or laptops that I tried (Intel, SiS or VIA) Not sure about NVIDIA chipsets.
Does not worked with some USB 2 PCMCIA card made by NEC.
Never tried with USB 3.
May be useful to someone.
Wonder if it works with the sound blaster / Panasonic interface
when i boot with usb theres 1 blinking white line then i tried to boot with usb and pressing alt + u but this time my keyboard turns off
my usb has windows server 2019, i tried truenas too but same results
¡Wow! I dind't know that. I will test it. Thanks.
PLOP is actually a belgium tv show for kids, is about a gnome :p very funny to me that they used that exact naming
Hi Phil, great video as always!
I wanted to ask: do you have experience with chipset p4m900 from VIA in context of windows 98? I've heard it's good option (sata/core 2 duo/usb2.0), except audio which can use too new chip.
A quick chipset search on Asrock site shows me no 98 drivers...
I've had good results with windows ME on a p4m900 based board. For audio I installed an ESS Solo 1 card to get FM music in games. To boot you need 512MB RAM or less or install a patch.
Time to try it on a 386 with an ISA USB card. :P
I've done it with a 486 and a PCI USB card, very finicky tho and crash prone.
I used plop to test bootable usb stick working in vmware.
Cool! Could you use this in a dual OS system situation, say Windows 3.1 and Windows 98, or Windows 98 and Windows XP, or is there a better way to do that?
This is a fascinating solution! Would this allow me to, for example, install Linux on a Mac Pro 1,1 after booting from a CD and then selecting USB to (install or boot) with Ubuntu? I've wanted to run Linux on my old Mac Pro for years. Thanks for posting.
Give it ago, it might work...
Hey Phil did ever heard of this sound card called the Sound Blaster PCI 128 I found one or ran across I only two videos and they don't talk anything about the card like the way you do because more about them cards then I had and I surprise even the LGR guy never went after this card!!!!!!!!!!!
That card I think is the Ensoniq AudioPCI just rebranded.
Should have wrote "PLOPpy disk" on it!!
Have you tried Plop VHD loader in combination with an image of windows 95 or XP From USB??? I think it was impossible before to boot old windows versions From USB...
If so Please make a video about live USB creation whether using WinNTSetup, wintoUSB or Disk2VHD And if the CPU needs to support Virtualization or not!!!
(Would this method work on Pentium 3?)
Seems plop boot manager 5 doesn't support USB flash drives 3.0 and SD cards. Plop boot manager 6 doesnt work at all. Will try with USB flah drive 2.0. So many hours on the pc
Can you use plop with 286 or 386 pcs?
oh my god i gotta try this, i have spent all day trying to get my Dual Tualatin machine to boot from an ide hard drive that i installed E2B onto to try and install XP because i dont have any big enough CD's to burn the install to and yeaaah it just destroys the E2B files when it does the restart for some reason during the win XP install so this could be a game changer if i can boot from USB with this. Fingers crossed.
Dude! Quick question - Which GPU would you recommend for running DOS and Win98 only games (not early XP games)? I have a Atlhon 64 3200+ cool'n'quiet
I've been trying to integrate plop into the BIOS and to make it work as an option ROM on a network card (got plenty with empty DIP sockets to fit flash chips into) but never ended up succeeding :(
Would be awesome to just have the plop functionality modded into the mobo BIOS so you don't even need a floppy or CD anymore to use it, or alternatively have a PCI ethernet card with a flash ROM chip installed containing plop so you can plonk that card into any system and use it that way
does it handle booting multiple partitions?
Ive been using grub4dos to triple boot msdos, freedos, win9X. I was going to use it on a 386 but it was too slow. Even my 486 takes some time. I think i will try it on my gotek in the 486
Yes it does!
@@philscomputerlab Use the grub4dos inbuilt USB 2 driver. It should be faster and is rd/wr not just rd only like Plop. The grub4dos 0.4.6a command is usb --init to load the driver. If booting from an Easy2Boot USB drive just hold down the SHIFT key as it boots to load the grub4dos driver.
I have a Lenovo laptop with a forgotten CMOS password that is configured to boot only from the hard disk. The OS got corrupted and I cannot run windows repair routines successfully as HDD main partition got completely corrupted. I watched your video and I thought that perhaps a way to install windows 10 back again is to use an alternative drive with the bootable plop manager loaded into it and then boot normally. Once running select to boot from USB which has also boot manager stored in it, Once that second plp manager is running swap the HDD that booted first with the original corrupt HDD, and then swap the USB thumb drive with one that installs windows 10. Do you think that this method will work? Do the two HDDs have to be identical so the bios does not get confused during the swapping?
I have one more new question now that i got my first problem figured out. I bought a pcmcia usb card, for this laptop. According to plop website it claims installing the pcmcia driver they removed the ide cd driver. Is that true or will installing the pcmcia driver still allow plop to use ide cdrom boot?
I purchased a used laptop, and it has a bios password, so I can't get into bios or boot to UEFI.
Could I use Plop to boot from a usb flash drive and reinstall win 10 that way?
lets just say this doesnt work all the time either
Please more detail progress. I want to make my pentium 3 machine to Windows Me and MS-Dos dual boot.(Windows 98 or 98se is not my favourit)
I used it but many times it crashed or crashes without allowing boot from usb.
Used for cd-rom and worked perfectly.
Old hardware comes with issues I guess.
How do you boot from USB when the PC, say a 486 or even earlier, does NOT have a floppy OR CD drive? ...ie. is there any "PCI USB card", which plugs into a PCI slot and has USB slots at the book, which will let you plug in a USB stick on one of those ports, and then let you *BOOT* from one of them????
You boot from Floppy. If you don't have one buy the Gotek floppy emulator.
I've seen far too much Brutalfoods to take PLOP seriously.
I used plop to install windows 11 on my p4.
This program never worked for me :-(
Have you tried to boot from a CH375 based ISA USB card ? :)
Hello! Thanks for your video! I'm trying to boot from usb (windows 10), choose the correct boot sequence and when i hit boot to usb, it's stuck on one blinking curser and it won't move!
Windows 10? How did you create the USB?
would this help in making installing windows 98 easier ..i have tried and failed so many times trying to install it ☹