The 7 Worst Operating Systems Ever
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2024
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0:00 - Intro
0:20 - Windows Me
2:08 - MS-DOS 4.0
3:44 - Incompatible TimeSharing System
5:54 - JavaOS
7:53 - Windows Vista
10:02 - Windows 8
12:42 - Lindows
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I remember that era when windows 8 came out, and everyone was like, Nah and used windows 7 for 3 more years
@PARKIN LAI Me too! I didn’t even know it existed while I was using windows 7 at the time
@PARKIN LAI I remember 8.1 usually but forget the regular 8
I use windows 8 and i dont understand why people hated it it is still fast and looks nice
My school laptops had windows 8.1 printed on the bottom, but it ran windows 7 professional.
@@slurpthatdick because of the big start menu and the ads
"Windows ME sucks!"
"Have you ever even used it?"
"Of course not! Why would I use an OS that sucks?"
ME had an terrible problem, driver support. The OS was not that bad, but programs did work horrible
@@GijsLinssen pretty much this. I used to run me back in the day. I believe it was the first interration of IBMs nt kernel and there wasn't a lot of support for things. Also it used a bunch of resources at the time and the general public wasn't used to computers yet so when you bought a new os there was an expectation that it would be faster and more functional then your older one rather then the opposite unless there was a compelling reason. Then xp came out which fixed pretty much everything that 2000/me had issues with that it just got ignored.
@@ZacharyBittner ME was a Win98 derivative. Kinda win98 lite. Definitely not NT, was not a native 32 bit OS just like 98.
@@ZacharyBittner Wasn't NT made by Microsoft?
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I had an after school job at a small shop fixing computers back in the early 2000s. With almost every Windows ME PC that came in, standard procedure was to salvage what we could in terms of personal data from the hard drive, then installing Windows 98.
98, XP, XP x64, 10
Lmao 🤣
@@toriless 7?
I remember going from 95 OSR2 ("yay! built-in USB support!") to 98 and thinking "oh, what's all the hype about?" But then I had previously upgraded every office machine from 3.11WFW to 95 and that truly was a revelation! (Some of the workshop machine controllers still had to run either WFW or Novell NetWare after we'd all gone on to XP, so there was legacy networking going on right from the start of the Microsoft era.)
True, Windows 98 SE was the fix. Until XP came out.
The flaws you point out for the "Incompatible Timesharing System" applied to every single operating system back in the '60's. Things like hierarchical file systems, long file names, basic security etc didn't begin to exist until the '70's, and weren't universal for a long time after that.
Yeah. "How to tell people you've never used a computer made before 1980." :)
@@toddverbeek5113 I mean, looking at him could tell you that. That's not a slight of any sort, it's just pretty obvious he was born after 1980... I was too.
@@twocows360I graduated high school in 1980!😂😂😂
@@leechjim8023 ok boomer (joke)
@@toddverbeek5113no one after the 90s/2000s really used computers during the 60s. Like you're making it seem like it's "so bad" that a guy couldn't get his hands on a musty, dusty, and crusty "computer".
windows thiojoe edition
nothing works but thiojoe has a fake tutorial for everything
LOOOL
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Best OS;
Windows Thiojoe PRO.
It lets you delete every system file but keeps working.
yep
just for a cost of 1000 bucks
I never had any issues with ME, but I was a kid back then. Just wanted to play rollercoaster!
I had tons of issues and my mom made sure to blame them all on me playing games on the computer.
dito, Windows ME ran way smoother for me than Windows 98. I really liked the multimedia features they added
Same tbh, my Window Me worked fine.
I remember ME being slow and crashing a lot. My dad was a programmer at the time and he said he had 2000 at work and loved it lol
@@ArtOfRoun 'Window'
Back in the day we used WinMe to test the hardware when we installed batches of PC's because installation was the quickest. We had to test every USB port. About 30% of the systems crashed when plugging/unplugging an USB mouse. It was THAT bad.
or eject a "floppy" disk and then click on the drive since it did not know to remove it since NO ONE at MicroSlop knows how to code a preemptive multithreaded ccc OS.
I know! I solute you. Thank God We have better machines.
@@torilesstbf, it isn't bad coding. Windows ME was made as a filler and also was made in a rush.
Remote Desktoping into Windows 8 internationally was one of the most painful experiences I've had. The RDP (in basic onrelease 8), forced you into the mobile touchscreen interface with just mouse emulated as touch. So no cursor, you had to basically guess where to click to force it back to desktop mode. On a good connection this wasn't too bad, but over a laggy connection to a client using hotel or airport wifi on the other side of the world who wanted something fixing or configuring asap before their meeting... extremely frustrating
Yeah, I had it in 2012 and internet could not work on it, a month later came 8.1 and you could end up with a 7 like program on it that was better and had Windows 8 features you could disable. However, I had computers on 8.1 die all the time a one specific model of Lenovo mouse connection from and arrow keys died but most were my doing unlike last Windows 10 POS model due to a feature I had on it, a CD/DVD drive so casing was crap. Last computer in 8.1 versions I had for a year and 5 minutes after Windows stopped support I had a Virus that said it came from Windows when reading code. I did upgrade but got screwed on upload in older files on cloud from my XP I had saved were lost forever and even uploading older files from zip drive the windows 10 would not accept the files due to age so they are gone for good.
Fun fact: Window Vista was usually commonly known as Window sVista (meaning windows mistake/overlook) here in Italy because of how bad and initially highly distributed it was
Actually windows vista was a good system but it haven't got a chance.
Trust me, I tested it.
Everyone hated it because of the compatibility, it used a crap ton of ram and it wasn't compatible with most of computers.
@@jakubi142memeanimations6 it was clunky and very intrusive on release. It would ask for your permission multiple times for the most basic stuff. It was offered as a new software on many existing computers that couldn't run it well and would have been better off keeping xp, but it wasn't marketed that way so many of us had pc that were fine with xp and awful with vista. It's not just the matter of the software not being good, that's debatable, it was marketed towards the wrong users and made their experience overall worse
@@gferraro2916 yea ur right
@@jakubi142memeanimations6 bruh, you could litterally delete the recycle bin on windows vista. And you could litterally delete System 32 with only the DEL comand. 💀💀
We used to call 'em "sVista" in Greece as well, from "σβήσ' τα" which means "delete them".
1:15 Windows XP = Xtremely Popular
I think Windows XP looked something like I'd expect to be released as MyFirstPC by Fisher Price.
And today it's still very popular, but for a good reason. Back in 2006 when Windows Vista released I'm sure you wouldn't use Vista, but XP for better compatibility, less bloatware, no User Account Control shit, and your administrator account was really administrator, unlike from OSes from Vista and above, where you can't create an admin account, because it'll be very limited compared to the built in one
If you own windows XP its basically just a old computer that's sitting in your basement or is a pc for businesses with very low budget or you wanted a gaming pc for Christmas but it turns out your dad is mr crabs
I just started with Windows Vista and now it is 1 of my favourite operating systems. I liked Windows Vista.
@@Emilbum ....
MSDOS 3.3 changed my life. In 1984 that's all you had for IBM personal computers. I taught myself assembler using the Debug command in MSDOS. From that I got a hold of a copy of MASM and furthered my assembler learning using the Macro Assembler. I'm sure I could have done the same using the Apple ][e Monitor program. Incidentally a couple of years later when I was in high school my math teacher let me use his Apple ][e he had in the classroom. I used the Monitor program to teach myself 6502 assembler :P. It just so happened my parents bought a PC. If they had bought an Apple or C64 I'm sure I would have found similar tools there. Oh, and 4.0 did suck.
My mother bought a Gateway PC back in 2000. She asked me to come over and set it up for her. I got everything out of their boxes, hooked up the PC and pressed the power button. I booted to the desktop and immediately blue screened. I knew from then on it was going to suck.
I remember an internet cafe in our town which had Windows ME on every PC. Any time you visit you could see at least one PC with a BSOD, usually 2-3 at the same time.
This should say it all.
Lmao I laughed hard 🤣
in Pakistan Internet cafes had windows 98 laptops with bonzibuddy.
Windows ME, all i can remember is blue screens and headache sorting out why.
I never had a problem with Windows ME. I liked it better than 98.
@@echonomad94 Lol Bonzi, the purple gorilla.
I never actually used Vista. Jumped from XP to 7, those were the best ones.
same lol
Vista was only bad at launch it was too much to be ran on most PCs but after a couple years it was completely fine
Yes
My main PCs are uses Windows XP and 7
7 is actually just vista with another name xD
I recall working at Best Buy in 1999 (at the Computer Dept.) and seeing the fiasco unfold due to the confusion by consumers walking in wanting to upgrade their OS. To 99.9% of them, the intuitive choice was to grab the box that read Windows 2000. They just had no idea it was meant as un upgrade to Windows NT. Having said that, there is one area worth giving credit to ME: The OS was FINALLY compatible with many webcams, which started coming out after Win 98 and were a pain in the arse. Newer printers and scanners were also a lot easier to install and many of them had the drivers already in the OS which finally brought the so called Plug-and-Play to reality. So for teenagers, and college students wanting to actually use these newer gadgets, ME was a far better choice than 98.
i tried to install some version on VirtualBox, ME was a copy of 2000 or even worse. "Meet ME" sentence was just stupid, in Italian "Incontrami" just meet me. Many people has done this mistake due to Microsoft's Mistake Edition. Also i got an error from VB that said that i had to have debug knowledge to continue. Fault is: the fcking MS DOS
11:02 Windows 8.1 also has the Charms bar. My problem with it is not that the charms were unintuitive or that I didn't know how to access those things, but that they would sometimes come up unbidden and get in the way when all I wanted to do was access something on the right hand side, like a vertical scrollbar.
Charms bar was present in windows 8 too
WindowsME: "Mistake Edition"
*Windows98SE: "Windows SIKE Edition"*
Lol
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Windows millenium edition is correct
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@@AdarshPrajeesh its a joke
ChromeOS should have been on the list. -Chromebook user
Absolutely not! My none tech wife and kid never bug me after I gave them Chromebooks!
@@ronjarosch8287 I mean, ChromeOS does what it's designed to do, but that doesn't make it a good OS. Good web browser? I think it's the best today. Even Microsoft thinks so, at least with base Chromium.
There's also the Android Runtime and Google Play support on eligible devices, but app developers have not been racing to support ChromeOS, in some cases even blocking their apps from Chrome devices on Google Play. Other apps may not function or even render as needed on keyboard, mouse, and bigger, lower-DPI screens. If they even work at all, there may be usability and workflow issues, particularly from mobile-designed apps.
As an OS, ChromeOS is a crapshoot.
@@ronjarosch8287 ok boomer
Agreed. I'm happy that I've hacked mine to run GalliumOS.
@@Blue-Maned_Hawk Will be checking it out. Thank you for the suggestion.
Back in the day, I had Lindows on a bootable CD ROM. I found it very useful in recovering deleted files on an MS Windows partition.
I had an ME box that lasted for years! It was buggy at first, but after a couple service packs, it worked great. I used it for a long, long time and only replaced it when it got so old that the software I needed to use wouldn't run on it.
I never referred to ME as "Mistake Edition". It was "Major Error" in my house.
Blue Screen of death. Windows FE
@Alan Thorbum: Windows 2000 professional was the best OS until vista because W2k was the revamped version of ME and required less hardware resources at a time when a potato office PC.
I referred to it as “Millenial Edition”
@@MalrusOSC Yes well its worth noting how different windows 2k pro was from ME. Windows XP had some major issues with back door trojans.
😏😣
0:20 7. Windows ME (2000)
2:08 6. MS-DOS 4.0 (1986)
3:48 5. Incompatible TimeSharing System (1960s)
5:54 4. JavaOS (1996)
7:52 3. Windows Vista (2006)
10:03 2. Windows 8 (2012)
12:49 1. Lindows (2001)
thank you
Thx
Why is windows 10 not on the list? Big load of bloatware
@@jh-kj8zr Bruh what? I never get problems with Windows 10 tbh
@@jh-kj8zr cuz you hate full windows OS and a Mac os user,now go, Windows10 is coolest OS I've ever seen yet
Great video! I would have expected OS/2 Warp in the list though 😄
I saw the thumbnail for this video and my heart almost stopped because I thought I saw windows XP in the trash can.
Millennium edition
I thought it was windows 98
Nope that was Vista its the only one that looks like xp
windows xp has no shaders and isn't born in a circle
That is Vista
"Microsoft sues them, loses, pays them $20M". The American Dream.
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Ever since I migrated from Windows to using Linux for most tasks, it has all been happiness !
I do have a windows machine for playing games , because of well the DirectX and virtually all games are written to run on it. Not much gaming on Linux.
But for general browsing, email, programming, and most tasks (other than games ) , linux reigns supreme in my mind.
8:20 I had that very computer case. I don't know if the components are the same, but I remember doing the same kind of stuff seen here, with various upgrades. Nostalgic stuff.
Look I remember parents getting a new PC with ME and when they finally decided to upgrade, they got one with Vista. Good times.
I have a Pentium Dual Core based laptop that ran Vista at one point, installed Linux Mint on an SSD and now it’s my daily driver
@@ashii_ii have a look at craigs list or something like that. Don't know where you're at, but here in Germany people throw better PCs away. Heck, if by some chance you live in Germany you can have my i5-2400 + Mobo + 16Gigs of DDR3-1600 for 5 bucks postage...
Even if you don't care a bit about performance (although Dual Core Pentium sounds pretty rough even for youtube nowadays) the energy savings are probably worth it to go with something newer than a Vista era rig.
I actually really liked Vista, I only ran into a few crashes before and even then it was just a simple mistake, program crash, and overriding the RAM.
@@lunakoala5053 i'miss you
@@Bari-gd good for you
Honestly, Windows 8.1 was like Vista SP2, it made the operating system viable.
8.0 was good to begin with. It's GUI was a PitA and it was the main reason for 8.1's release (Start Menu + Desktop default at startup). As for Vista, SP2 did improve it a bit, but it was still the same unstable and slow OS (even on high-end hardware).
I had to download a start menu to use 8.. dont remember what it was called anymore
@@mlthmp You didn't need a start menu to be able to use 8, but installing Classic Shell made things easier.
@@michamarkowski2204 I thought openshell was the most viable start menu alternative
@@manformerlypigbukkit Open Shell is the continuation of Classic Shell.
As a long time Mac user, Mac OS 8.5 and 8.6 where very buggy and crashed frequently. The classic os was on it last legs , so many extension patches and helper apps slowed anything down. It could not do multitasking and no protected memory. So many stuck watch icons pointers. Bit map interface
Lindows creators got 20 million dollars from Microsoft for changing the name of their product? That's probably more money than they ever dreamed of making by selling their stuff.
My father calls windows vista "windows svista". "Svista" (also σβήσ' τα) is a greek word that means delete them lol
Ur dad is tryna say windows, please delete this OS
In russian, many people call it Visla because зависла (zavisla) is a slang for a program being frozen 😂
@@sweet_krona hahahhaha
We call them like that at times.
in italian, "svista" means "oversight" lol
The only thing people don't like Win 8 is because they don't like the new Start menu interface, but otherwise they're fine.
Agree with that bro
He forgot about windows classic shell which allowed windows 8.1 to have the regular start menu
I like the start screen tbh
I like Win 8.1, bcs i like interface. For me its better than 10. If u want smaller start menu, just install classic shell.
Yeah but try using it on a potato and u will understand. I am doing it rn.
I had the chance to have a demo of JavaOS and the Hot Java browser on Sun France headquarters.
Compared to our regular PC, it was laggy and moreover it crashed superbly and repepetitively.
The system price was very "Sunny", laughable to say the least...
Windows Vista was not that bad, ran it on company laptop for some time and it just worked, though windows 7 did run noticeable snappier on the same hardware.
Biggest problem was that the driver model changed between XP an Vista and that caused the majority of the problems, by the time 7 came out most of those where sorted..
Must say that Windows XP and 7 remain my favorite Microsoft OS's, Windows 10 has some flaws and the biggest one is the fragile start-menu and the settings mess.
Can confirm. I ran Vista at the end of it's life on a gaming PC and it ran just fine. Had a lot of good backwards compatibility too! Vista was fine with good hardware and a service pack. Windows 7 was definitely the better of the two though.
Windows VISTA was bad during the initial release period. After the service pack 2 update was delivered, it worked nicely.
You didn't notice any problem probably because you kept your system updated.
When VISTA came out first, almost every second installation got interrupted by some error, BSOD. . . .
Windows 8 was so bad that one night when I was 11, I literally installed windows 10 on my family's PC without permission because I hated it so much. I got grounded for it cuz my parents aren't good with computers and they were angry that everything changed but I think it was worth it to get rid of windows 8.
Idk what to say so yeah
lol
You simply replaced crap with more crap.
@Hemang Korane I couldn't tell you. Windows 10 is banned from my house and home network. It doesn't meet my criteria for usability, privacy and security standards. Therefore it is shit - how much shit compared to other shit is not my concern.
@@catsEeter haha i clicked my middle mouse button scroll go brrrr
@@negiprashray The only Windows OSes that run successfully in 2GB RAM are those up to and including Windows XP, which is where Microsoft peaked - everything since XP has been downhill since.
Windows Xp Never dies,That cool start-up sound Gives me shivers.Good old days.
I use 10, but I still think back on xp. It was so great.
Me use 10
Me love XP FOREVER and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever
And the shutdown.
Same with 7 start up.
My windows 10 PC uses windows 7 start up sound:)
@@cycrothelargeplanet lol
@@cycrothelargeplanet lol
Hi! Windows ME was called "MüllEimer" in germany, which means garbage bucket.
Another different impression about win8. My wife's family had been running a convenient store and had bought a Lenovo PC with Celeron CPU and 2GB memory. The Win8 system worked smoothly. But when I downgraded the OS to Win7, every time after logging-in, the system would freeze and take quite some time to respond to your operations of clicking the mouse or hitting the keyboards. So that less resource consumptions compared with win7, might be a merit for win8.
My first custom pc ran windows 8.1, I actually really liked it, my hardware was far from quick, yet the UI on 8.1 actually felt snappy compared to 10
Opposite for me
He was criticizing 8, not 8.1
same. windows 8 ran great in my pc back im 2016 or something. But now in 2021, windows 10 is unusable. I had to disable antimalware in the registry to make it use a little bit of less cpu and disk when i start it.
Everytime i boot my pc, there's like 10 windows proccesses using cpu and disk. It's so fucking annoying. Thinking about what can my PC do, even if the hardware is pretty weak and old, windows 10 is just creating a bottleneck.
@@winitdc he did kinda critize both. 8.1 was a bandaid solution. Also it wasn't really its own OS, more like "Second Edition" for 98.
But I actually ran 8 and 8.1 for a time myself. Just get ClassicShell, set it to boot directly onto the Desktop... and it was mostly fine.
Apps were weird, but... you didn't have to use them. For every weird app there was also the standard old Win7 desktop version still included.
Actually using that damn OS (once fully set up) was actually a pretty good experience. I actually didn't want to go back anymore,
once I've gotten used to the better boot times and general snappiness compared to 7. But evaluating the OS wasn't.
That's also the general jest I got from other people. Those people who got a prebuilt with Win8, got used to it pretty quick, maybe changed some settings, and were pretty happy. But those who updated their system or maybe tried it in a VM hated it and went back to 7.
8.1 on my old laptop runs great, and can install all W10 and W7 programs I need
“Windows XP became xtremely popular “
Windows Xtremely Popular
@@sarahkraus8247 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I made my Windows 7 computer look like Windows XP lol.
back when it was made it did get popular.
*extremely
2 things:
1) Windows Vista did all the dirty work for Win7 - because Vista did a complete overhaul below the surface. When Vista was launched, nobody was ready (DRIVERS!) - but when 7 came out, everyone was - 7 got all the credit. (note: i didn't use Vista)
2) I used 7 from the very beginning and was excited to use 8 from the very beginning: 8 felt so much more fluent. My workflow did not change: Whether I use 7/8/8.1/10/11 or a popular Linux distro: press Windows(super)key -> calc -> enter -> my calc pops up? :)
I saw Lindows and thought of what I’m currently running on some ancient PCs in the house…Q4OS. It’s a Linux distribution that reminds me heavily of Windows XP and also has the graphic prompts of installing applications but actually works extremely well!
I didn’t even know there were 7 operating systems
More
There's everything from the 20 or so different versions of Windows to the hundreds of Linux distros to all the macOS/System Software releases, to older stuff such as MS-DOS and even operating systems for individual computers, such as the Commodore 64's operating system, for example, and then there's more niche operating systems, like BeOS/Haiku, FreeBSD, FreeDOS, ChromeOS, and ReactOS, and that's just desktop computer operating systems, when you go into mobile operating systems there's Android, iOS, Ubuntu Touch, Windows Mobile, FirefoxOS, and KaiOS, then there are operating systems for gaming consoles which run their own operating systems. A lot of operating systems exist that we don't even think about.
Burroughs had a least one.
HP had more than one
DEC had more that one OS.
IBM had about 4 OSes on the IBM-360, IBM-370 series.
On the PC there was DR DOS and CPM
Microsoft did DOS 1 to DOS 7
If you count DOS 7 don't count Windows-95
IBM made OS2 for the PC
There are a long list of real time OSes
Unix is around
There is Linux
@@mjdxp5688
On the Linux distros, I have 15 xxx.iso files for different ones on this computer
Well, I can name at least 7 different OS: Windows, macOS, Linux, BSD, MINIX, Unix, OS/2... and those are just desktop OS, there are also mobile OS like iOS, Android, Windows Phone, Blackberry OS, Palm OS...
I actually liked Vista. On semi decent hardware it ran fairly well, and it brought a huge number of quality-of-life improvements that we still use today. Drivers and compatibility are what really killed the OS. At the time I was working in a retail computer store (not big box, but similar), the number of devices that didn't have Vista drivers out of the box was simply shocking. Its almost like they didn't care (HP was notorious for this, 2 years after launch and they still weren't providing driver discs), combined with larger overall driver package sizes for Vista over XP, and still 56K modems being commonplace lead to it being a pain in the backside.
I feel Vista was not bad, it was just ahead of its time for the hardware that was out there in general use.. Between XP and Windows 7, Vista worked as a transition but Vista was nonetheless good .
@@crewrangergaming9582 I'd say it was in that weird limbo of both being ahead of its time and not at the same time. The hardwear existed to run it, but consumers hadent quite yet adopted it. Vista basically forced people to upgrade hardware. Vista fell so 7 could run.
@@alfsleftnut9224 7 ran so 10 could jump
@@Samar_Carroll 10 jumped so 11 could splatter on the concrete
@@alfsleftnut9224 and hopefully 12 will be the one to get back up
ME was a tiny step forward in terms of functionality over 98 but much more unstable and crash prone. I used it a little at a friend's PC and witnessed it a few times. He hated it and only used it because the PC came installed with it.
I, like most people, bypassed it straight to XP. This one, yes, was a huge improvement in every way next to 98. It was so good it made older PCs feel like new again.
Vista was too ahead of its time, and never got a chance to be popular. I do still use it for fun myself on a triple-booted laptop of mine where I have XP, Vista, and 7. Windows 8 was also not horrible though. Once I got used to it, it felt great, and it ran so fast. I have an old Pentium 4 Dell OptiPlex GX620 desktop, and it's so fast. It's so old too.
Also SpyOS must be included.
Excuse me, ChromeOS
Chrome os is Linux but with more programs
@@josephstalin2647 and with more spyware, and without linux programs
@@josephstalin2647 ChromeOS is gentoo linux but with its balls ripped off and internal organs eviscerated to baby-proof the system and to add in obtuse amounts of telemetry.
@@josephstalin2647 Chrome OS is linux but it's stripped bare and is spying on you
@@tastezemelon7229 i hate gentoo
Look windows vista was a disaster but it will forever be a place in my heart
And it was the most prettiest version of windows
Tbh vista was good, the only reason why people hated it is because it took off horribly but nowadays it could be considered a very good OS
Yeah it's real pretty I love vista
True but i never use Windows vista
Do you realize that Windows 7 was simply an improved, upgraded version of Windows Vista?
@@PineappleWappleMinecraftVids yes
Valdocs was an OS written in Forth. Not many people, including me, had interaction with it. Rising Star Industries introduced it in 1983. Initial enthusiasts were motivated by the slogan "You can do anything 10 times faster in Forth." Forth believers admitted Valdocs had sluggish performance, but laid the blame on the designers not the language. So much for faith-based design.
One thing I wanted to mention that a lot of people tend to not know, overlook, or forget about, is that Windows 3x, 9x, and ME, were in fact fancy shells on top of MS-DOS with increasing complexity and capabilities, including the use of Protected Mode. Whereas the Windows NT series was entirely self-contained with a non-DOS kernel. Windows 2000 was NT-based, and WinXP was the point at which the consumer and professional OSes were merged onto the NT code base.
Of course, the question becomes, "why is this important?" Depends on how pedantic you want to be about distinguishing an operating system from its interface. Win95 started to diverge from DOS in terms of file system limitations, which is a low-level OS feature, and Win98 more or less finalized things like long filenames in the FAT16/32 file system. But the Windows UI, support for drivers and PnP, etc., were sort of hybrid functionality given that the kernel was a huge extension of DOS Real Mode. But to the average user, the UI and applications and features are the OS, so the fact that it's running on DOS is mostly irrelevant.
This daily dose of pedantry is brought to you by me.
7:17 that thing looks like a tissue box
You weren’t that bad an OS, you did have some good parts
Look, you is me but little less functions!
@@_kitaes_ are you corrupted or something?
@@walterthemathcooker no
Hi
I like how you went back in time to cover older Operating Systems. One of the my theme papers in college was about ENIAC, BINAC and UNIVAC. I am surprised I never came across any references to that system you mentioned in the 1960's.
Always really easy to look back on what was on offer in the past. I remember when an OS could sit in 16k of RAM. The hardware limitations of the day dictated what was capable of being implemented, something commonly forgotten today.
I wish modern developers would be restricted more. Notice how development consoles always have more RAM than the end user consoles? Sure, they need extra to run a debugger in the background, but what if they could do their job in the same space as the user console? We might have some pretty awesome software that doesn't lag half the time.
Its a game ! Software gets bigger, so hardware gets bigger, so software gets bigger , so hardware gets bigger .................and thats how its been since the ibm pc with an 8086 and msdos .
And computers would boot up in less than 1 second :)
It also forced developers to really think hard about what could be accomplished within those constraints. Some pretty amazing stuff came out of pushing hard against the limits and really comprehending what the computer could and couldn't not do.
@@jnharton you said "couldn't not" couldn't means "could not"
Honestly, I miss my Windows 8 laptop, but it was touchscreen and honestly really easy to use with a touchscreen all I ever had to do was swipe a finger up the screen to get to start. It honestly just felt nice with the touch controls.
The mail program of vista was the best Microsoft released until now. So good, they scrapped it not to be a threat to Outlook.
Same with write before it was renamed wordpad. If it was capable of making tables… you wouldn’t need Word. Still it can read a document that contains a table and was exported from word into the write/wordpad format.
A lot of the screenshots you shared of JavaOS were actually IBM's OS/2 Warp v.4. IBM went all-in on Java as a desperate attempt to fill in the application gap in OS/2, but the two operating systems are completely different.
Nostalgic feelings. Back then OS/2 Warp brought me into contact with "the internet".
You are right. JavaOS is based on Chorus, which is based on the Mach kernel. Targeted for network-, small or embedded devices and can run with as little as 512K ROM and 256K RAM. (see archiveos)
Also: He is very young. Using that mentioned or any "time sharing system" of the 1960ies on-wards for pranks? Good joke! You begged for time ON the machine. There was a queue. And the mentioned machine was no mainframe, but a "mini computer" **g** More also: Passwords ... for what? The punch cards? Or physical tapes you had under your control/supervision? Or for wasting precious Magnetic-core memory?
Some holes in the research, but doesn't matter, would've been a new rabbit hole to dive into for Joe:)
Personal opinion: I think JavaOS is a sickness and has (and had!) to be treated like one.
I prefer(ed) the other disease, when it comes to such small devices: Palm OS:P
So that's why I kept feeling "Why the JavaOS GUI looks extremely like OS/2 ?" ...
Anyone who used Windows ME in a VM and not installed to hardware doesn't know why it was truly hated.
Anyone who used Windows ME in a VM and not installed to hardware doesnt know why it was truly hated.
Anyone who used Windows ME in a VM and not installed to hardware doesnt know why it was truly hated.
True, he is just speculating and making assumptions of something that never used on real hardware, typical rushed content by youtubers
@@DualPerformance was going to say the same
The quick startup was what hooked me. The rest... not so much. Thankfully 98lite helped somewhat.
11:56 Windows Technical Preview added the Start Menu back as well as Metro apps in a Window
Back in the day, I ordered an IBM ThinkPad that was supposed to come with WinME pre-installed. However, I chose an option to have Windows 98 installed instead.
Interestingly, history repeated itself just a month ago. I ordered a new high-end laptop, but chose to have Windows 10 pre-installed instead of Window 11. The more things change….
The main reason why the UAC prompt came up so much in Windows Vista was because programs for XP and earlier assumed your had administrators privilege's and tried to edit files that were outside of the programs own directory or the users data folder. This would automatically trigger UAC. Windows 10 will trigger it as well if a program tries to do this.
As third party software was updated, the issue slowly went away. The main issue wasn't an operating system issue but third party software companies not following what Microsoft told them to do back in 1995 when Windows NT came out.
The PDP series of computers were not "mainframes." They were mini computers designed for small companies that couldn't afford IBM 360's or CDC 3600's. They were also used as "switches" connecting dozens, or hundreds, of dumb terminals to the mainframe for early networking. This is how the Lawrence Livermore Lab's "Octopus" network was organized (with a CDC 7600 as the mainframe).
Correct. It surprised me when he said that.
that astroid game that they made
i love how i thought my old pc was a Windows 10 computer until its hard drive failed. We had to reset the system and it turned out to be a Windows 8 computer, which i think is okay. However, i didnt use it much because the computer eventually broke the day after thanks to the hard drive failing, it was a all-in-one PC
First OS I used was PC-DOS 1.1. I loved DOS - esp DOS 5.0 - 'cos it had 'xcopy', a really useful utility I've not found outside the command prompt. I had a soft spot for IBM's OS/2 ..... but then moved onto Windows NT, which was really solid. Still have one machine running Windows 7
I used Windows Vista from 2007 up until 2016 when I could get a better PC, and I still absolutely love Vista
It's funny because Windows 7's dirty little secret is that it's really just a Vista re-skin with some of the bugs fixed and a bit of the bloat removed. It did have some other small improvements, but other than the fact that Windows 7 runs faster on cheaper hardware than Vista, there's very difference between the last supported version of Vista and the initial release of Windows 7. Releasing it under a new name with a few visual tweaks was just a way to separate the OS from the reputation it had gained as a result of simply being released before it was fully stable.
i like it alot as well, it feels like a brand new operating system (and i dont know why) ; to me at least windows 7, 8.1 and 10 look basic (i havent really seen windows 11 yet)
@@combopybrosharkfrenforhire6420 goes to prove how ahead of its time vista was.
@@samplingthetext i dont really care about the new operating systems ui because im not looking at it any of the time anyways, im just using applications
@@combopybrosharkfrenforhire6420 windows 11 to me feels like a reskin (THATS REALLY GOOD) of windows 10 with widgets and android app support
With Vista the problem came from the fact that it would brick lower-end computers - even newer ones. It didn't play well with the budget laptop I was using for college work, which even came with it pre-installed on the machine - so there was no getting out of it at that point. 8 *ran* decently enough, however that tablet style start menu was absolutely unusable for me. All the icons were too big and too spaced out for me to really "read" it properly; it might have been better on a laptop, but the sheer size of the text and buttons on a desktop screen just made it look like a bad piece of pop art and completely unfit for use. A lot of the time I just had to use the search function. Or just dig through the file explorer.
Yep, digging through files was *easier* than trying to navigate windows by andy warhol
Same here - Vista came pre-installed on a budget laptop and was just awfully slow! I tried to work with that clunker far too long. When it finally crashed beyond any quick fix I wiped the HDD and installed XP. The result was a nice running machine for years!
I had no problem with my machine that was the slowest single core Semperon core AM2 CPU that was ever available in the US (I think there was 1 slower outside of the US) and OBG initially. I did however have 2gb of ram. It was a memory thing more than any other part of the computer.
I am wondering which OS intiated the term " the blue screen of death" I think it was before VIsta.
@@mfsolutions it certainly was. Not sure how far back though. Possibly DOS.
Chromebooks are even worse lil bro stop crying about vista
ITS got the "Incompatible" label as a spoof of the older operating system CTSS (Compatible Time Sharing System).
Being ancient myself, I nominate the ancient Honeywell General Comprehensive Operating System (CGOS) as villainous.
Their Bull DPS mainframes were also fraught.
For example, in the late 80's, a 1M RAM board cost about $10,000.
They could be had with removable hard disc assemblies about six inches thick with a diameter of about 12 inches.
I remember when I first installed Windows 8 and started it up I was like “WTF happened to the start menu ????” Pathetic MS
Just looking at those screenshots of Win8 makes me shudder. I'd been using XP and 7 (set to 'classic' i.e. XP-like) at work for years, and so had my father. When he went into a retirement home I bought him a new laptop and got set to install his favourite software on it - but the laptop had Windows 8 on it. *Nothing* I tried worked. After a couple of hours of screaming at it, and I had to restrain myself from actually throwing the thing out the window, I took it back to the shop for a refund (because if I couldn't decipher it, my father certainly couldn't).
When people complain that they stick with windows because they have no time learning linux... well just remember, MS can pull a tricky on you any time just like they did with Win8. And now they update your os without asking first.
@@realGBx64 They do ask for you to install it and you can tell windows to shut up about the updates for an year. Eitherways, i think you should update your OS regularly.
@@ananttiwari1337 I update my os every week. when I want to, and not when some American megacorporation wants me to. And at each update, I see exactly what are the changes.
@@realGBx64 ok
"I don't use the Windows key anyway"
Win E, Win R, Win X, Win 1, Win2, Win D, Win period, Win and type to search.
How can someone live without these shortcuts?😂
I know this is a joke (not really but just to be safe) but I think he meant to open up the start menu he doesn't use the windows key for the start menu only
win tab, win ctrl d, win ctrl arrow, win i, win L, win v
@jdslyman I'm not a fan of clucky keys, terrible for discord calls
@jdslyman And control escape works as the Windows key
How many of us are old enough to remember being rather irritated with those keyboards with that "Macro" located between the Ctrl and Alt keys -- in the same location the "Windows" key occupies now. The annoying part was that unless you loaded software specific for those keyboards (often in the form of a SYS file you load in CONFIG.SYS or a TSR loaded in AUTOEXEC.BAT), that key did absolutely nothing (the irritation coming from hitting this "do nothing" key rather than the Ctrl or Alt we were intending to press).
As a user of windows ME in early 2000, I can say without a doubt, it was utter garbage. Constant error messages of lost or missing drivers or DLL files, compatibility issues with various cards (I remember a conflict with my sound/video card that caused my sound to just sound like static), blue screens of death and much much more.
I was still kind of a noob when it came to owning my own computer when I had ME, but being a broke college kid and not being able to afford repairs, I became somewhat of a guru by learning how to navigate around or resolve the various issues I'd have. It all came to an end when i was finally able to replace it with XP.
Windows ME and Windows Vista both had the same fundamental problem: hardware vendors suck. In both cases, PC manufacturers were shipping systems with the OS that were way too underpowered to run it and a lot of devices like nVidia GPUs and HP printers didn't work or crashed constantly because the vendors were too incompetent to update their drivers or to ship drivers that actually worked. Also, as much as we all have fond memories of Windows 7 and Windows XP both did have their flaws. Windows 7 machines typically took 5-10 solid minutes to boot to a login screen on corporate environments and Windows XP had an atrocious security record and a lot of bugs that were hammered out by the 2nd service pack.
I remember Windows 8. As a kid, the first computer I interacted with ran on Windows 7, and I eventually figured it out. Later, we got new computers that ran windows 8. I was very confused. The start screen was weird, and I tried to avoid it whenever possible, as well as the full screen apps.
8.1 in classic mode screamed.
Yeah the first time I used windows 8 I was going crazy cause of the full screen apps and start menu
I am still using Windows 7...
@@jianmingliu2767 me too
I Started using an Windows at 2017 and theres a big Windows7 invasion
Best part of Vista was Aero and the Start menu.
Wow, agree agree. Vista was disappointing on release & I was an immediate adopter (always a terrible idea - MS used us, meaning initial adopters, as beta testers, but they always do. Wait until first major update before buying into new MS OSs). It became good, just as you say, but OS 7 & Win XP were gold in their day. Dos 4 - not a patch on Dos 3.3. It was stable enough to run Win 3.1 on top of when that came out. Lindows made a splash on release - I think we were all heartily sick of MS at that point & their vaporware tactics and all the blue screens of death. Win ME, I tried to use that for a while before going to Win XP on home computers, but I put my company onto Win2000. I had used Win NT4 extensively & knew it was a more stable platform than 95, 98, or ME. I didn’t use computers until 1977, so too young for ITS! Anyway, a very well researched video and amazingly accurate considering you weren’t there for the 70s-90s OSs and the horribly slow super expensive computers we had to contend with back then. Gratz!
I have not used the Incompatible TimeSharing System but have used TOPS-10 extensively on the PDP-10. The PDP-10 you pictured (model KI-10) wasn't introduced until 1971, not saying ITS didn't run on it, but the initial versions would have been on a PDP-6 or KA-10. I would argue that there could be nothing wrong with ITS because if the users felt it was missing something they would have added the missing elements. For instance, they did add hardware paging to the KA-10 to give it virtual memory.
Everyone knows the best operating system:
Microshaft Winblows 98
Microsoft Windows 98 is the second opprearting system after 95 in 1995 95 was created and 98 was in 1998
@@rishikeshpant3060 no
The best one is windows 7
@@Ali-Mhsn Windows 95 was more popular than any other Windows OS
@@mainframehardtutorials8441 so what? Windows 7 is the best one tho
are humans considered operating systems tho, thats the real question..
heh
Yes
That would be the Matrix operating system.
No
"are humans considered operating systems tho"
Yes and they come with more bugs viruses, lack of any useful memory and non-functioning hardware then any computer designer could ever create on purpose.
Windows Vista was basically the person who failed a question in kindergarden and nobody ever let them do anything ever again
Where was OS/2? They used to say it was named that way because it was only half an operating system. Another popular burn was "PS/2: yesterday's hardware today, OS/2: yesterday's software tomorrow".
This video is basically digging into the cream of the crap.
Ooh, good one. I have to remember that one.
I actually liked Vista over W7. I built my own system and turned off UAC , so I had none of the slowdown issues most people experienced. Only worked on ME once, and it was an utter pain to fix. I could see why that one was so hated.
Even 2000 was hated by people who got 2000 over Me if newer computer could not install 98/98se.
DOS 4.0 took up more (base) memory than DOS 3.3 - We had to re write our DBASE 3 app into Clipper to get it to run. Later Vista has the same issue, it was built for 4 MB, but most people only had 512MB, 1MB if you were lucky.
Nothing to do with having any more or less bugs, as you can see running them now with sufficient hardware.
2:03 That's a wierd mediaplayer =D
Yeah lol
What is that
Yeah
@@cycrothelargeplanet Windows Media Player
@@MP-uv3nd that's not what I meant and 2 *forgetion*
An operating system I loved was called DMFIII (Data Management Facility). It had a built-in file management facility, so you could create a database application. Another unusual facility, was that from a terminal you could bypass the OS and create a machine code programme and do whatever you want. OK, security not great, but you could get into the bowels of the system and learn how it worked.
where is it???
As for Windows 8, I personally enjoy the start screen and its flexibility to the start menu. The live tiles were so amazing! I still run it on a laptop today.
However, nobody complains about the macOS launchpad that's been there since the beginning that doesn't even get live anything or widgets!
My first OS came out just before the first Windows and had the first GUI I had ever seen. It was called GeoWorks. It was simple to install from DOS and pre-loaded with useful apps for writing, graphics, data base, etc. Windows was much more complicated to install and use at the time.
We knew the "ME" part in Windows Me as "Many Errors".
or malicious edition
Or misleaded edition
Or Memes Edition. Because I've seen a lot of memes about that piece of junk OS.
@@CommissionerLawWonder86 Children who do memes don’t even know about Windows ME
@ZcyberTech yeah, I never used it before and I didn't even rate it
Had Window 8 and 8.1, remember downloading a Classic Shell program that gave it the windows 7 look returning the windows in the corner. I remember reading an article that Classic Shell was boasting millions and millions of downloads since so many users hated the windows 8 and 8.1 look, made the jump to windows 10 as soon as I could
Nothing wrong with windows 8 except it was lacking a built in desktop mode which is a bfd.
I use the start screen
Windows 8.1 is fast and faster speed than windows 7 and 10 it is very nice only one thing I don't like is start menu except is excellent
The name of the Incompatible Timesharing System is joke referencing the Compatible Time Sharing System, also from MIT. This is mentioned in the first paragraph of the wiki article about it, which as far as I can tell represents the entirety of the research done for that section of the video, so I'm not sure how he missed that
I used to have Ubuntu on my first laptop as a second operating system and I love it most of the software where free and compatible with most files created on windows. I lost the operating system because of the copy got damaged and I was a rookie.
I went from 7 directly to 10. Luckily before all there changes made to shrink the control panel, I'm sad that 20H2 won't have the typical screen to move to a domain and many in our office were confused till one found it and showed it to us.
Same
Same
@Gamingwelle: I had each and every windows but I prefer Android tablets because android is very feature rich and has the important business enterprise software straight from Microsoft. I very excited about windows 11 on a proper surface PC.
Java slow? It was called Java so you can go to Starbucks and get a bit of coffee while it tries to do anything!
Yup,no wonder it shows the fresh coffee ready to be drinking by someone using the computer!
JavaOS in a way lead to Android an OS for smartphones that designed to run apps written in Java and based on the Linux Kernel
JavaOs was designed to run on embedded devices. There is still big misconception java is slow, while is is true that C++ C and other similar languages are faster, Java itself is not that slow, it's just a different kind of programming language, it has garbage collector and it's memory safe. Garbage collector is the main reason why some java program may be slower and use more ram, but good programmer can avoid memory allocations, so it only depends if the programmer is good
ouchie
"Knock-knock." "Who's there?" [Reaaaaally long pause.] "Java."
If I recall correctly, MS-DOS 4 introduced a more graphic surface and QBASIC. It also allowed to use better configuration and extended memory. And was used for the first Windows apps without a true Windows environment.
"Microsoft Bob" was the absolute pits! Apparently, routine drug testing in the programmers' shop prevented any recurrence. The Home Screen looked like the back office of a gas station.
Red Star OS should have at least gotten an honorable mention.
I think there are a lot of crappy operating systems.
Yes the red star OS should have (could have) been in that list too!
Is that the OS used by North Korean government?
@@bocchertherock was used yes, don't know if it's still being updated. The last version leak was already quite some time ago.
It's just a Linux distro tho.
it is not an operating system it was just a Linux distribution
Windows vista has one of the best looking desktop ,start menu, taskbar
Even design of Vista screams "slow". As if it was made by a 50yo boomer mom for an atm
@@HaohmaruHL Try running Vista on hardware that actually meets the recommended specs - it ranks right next to Windows 10 as best OS ever released. Faster than fast and runs flawlessly.
@@looneyburgmusic Are you saying Win Vista sucks?
@@louistournas120 Not at all.
Saying that if you try to run Vista on hardware that is in no way capable of actually running the OS, you are going to have a bad time.
It is much the same as how updates by CrApple™ to OSX forever ends the ability of older CrApple™ hardware to be used. In some cases OSX will not even install.
I just realize computers used to be bigger than a whole Kmart did now we have phones or more or not even a pound so much powerful than that Kmart PC computer
I do have windows vista on one of my old laptops, running nicely... Though to be fair, i had to restore it to factory settings 3 times during first year of use before i was able to finally configure it so that it wouldn't break again...
I used Windows ME. I think the restore function, windows media player and movie maker were really great. It certainly was better than Windows 95/98 and to some extent windows 2000 which was oriented towards professionals
Have you ever heard about the Windows Cement? It was the Windows Central European Millenium Edition NT. The motto was this: Windows CeMeNT, strong as a brick! In Germany this was called also Windows Crash Edition, Windows für Mama-Edition NT. It was so funny 😀
CEMENT also stood for Windows CE, Windows ME and Windows NT
"Windows Cement" might be the funniest name I have ever seen
Cement in russian is literally a brick.
My lecturer used to say Windows Not Tested
I have had some recent encounter of Windows Embedded Handheld recently, which is based on Windows CE and Phone 6.5.
A very crash-prone and slow OS that haven't seen any improvement since 2005. And it's still in use in some places.
I also did some development on Windows Phone 6.5 - and a lot of the OS API calls were "The light is on but nobody's home", you made the call and got an OK response but nothing was implemented behind the call, so you didn't know if the call worked or not. A "NotImplementedException" would have been eons better.