By this logic we should dominate basketball as well, it has more to do with the fact we were the first european country to have good trade relations with Japan.
True dutch kickboxing is heavily influenced by kyokushin karate, Bas Rutten one of the fathers of dutch kickboxing (in MMA) is a blackbelt in kyokushin karate
So true.. it’s basically kyokushin with boxing. I trained with lucien carbin. He started with Kyokuskin like many of the other early trainers. I trained at vos and mikes gym too. Unbelievable system. The rest of the world is now basically trying to train in this system now also. You see the techniques so much in the UFC now. Amazing system
dutch kickboxing is not only kyokushin. Its westren boxing, Muay Thai and kyokushin. its these 3 sports mixed in a way to be effective against literally every fighting style. tight guard heavy punches while chopping down the legs with Muay Thai kicks. its a very very effective style but you do need the right trainers to learn the style and the only way by doing that is by coming to the Netherlands. I been training here since I was 13 ( im 21 now ) and I can tell you most of the stuff on RUclips is bullshit if you wanna learn the style come to the Netherlands there's plenty of good gym's here usuu
@@pr1r. Old School Dutch Kickboxing even had elbows and clinching, because they had to constantly fight against Muay Thai practitioners and Japanese Kickboxers.
Not really, the big difference between karate and kickboxing is that in kickboxing there is actually boxing being used maybe not that good but stills boxing, there is also a difference between the guard, kickboxers can stand with any boxing guard but you won't see this in karate. The same thing applies to footwork, head movement and blocking.
Kickboxing's introduction to the Netherlands can be traced back to the 1970s. It was during this time that Dutch martial artists who had trained in Japan brought the sport back to the Netherlands. Japan was the hub of kickboxing during that era, having developed its own version of the sport by combining elements of traditional Karate with Muay Thai, a martial art from Thailand. Dutch martial artists like Jan Plas, who trained in Japan, played a crucial role in this process. Plas founded Mejiro Gym in Amsterdam, one of the first kickboxing gyms in the country. He and others like him began teaching kickboxing, incorporating techniques and training methods they had learned in Japan. This new sport quickly gained popularity in the Netherlands. The Dutch approach to kickboxing evolved to have a distinctive style, known for its emphasis on aggressive punching and high work rate. This style was highly effective and led to the success of Dutch fighters in international competitions. Over the years, the Netherlands has produced many world-class kickboxers and has become known as a powerhouse in the sport. The country's unique blend of kickboxing techniques, influenced by Japanese and Muay Thai styles, has made it a significant contributor to the sport's global evolution.
It was about an kyokushin karate practitioner who was getting ready to destroy an muay thai figher so it was like an hybrid of it and the guy who founded dutch kickboxing does boxing and by mixing his skills with the kyokushin karate guy with his boxing and he created a new style which is very effective (just imagine muay thai with boxing footwork and had movement, mixed with insane karate kicks)
@@ferumcastrum4097point karate is exactly what gave it such a bad name now. I do Muay Thai and people ask is it like karate? Thinking it’s like point karate light touch stuff and I say it’s closer to proper combat karate or I know now it’s actually called kyokushin karate. I tell people proper karate can be brutal asf but typically people can’t understand and think karate is just a shitty martial art with dumb useless movements.
Because karate isn’t often associated with training as in weight and cardio training. Lazy people want to learn a technique that’s going to help them be able to fight without having to put in the work
Its called Kyokushin.. and it is fucking LEGIT!! Karate is no joke guys.. you know that white dude throwing wild kicks knocking everyone out in the UFC rn, Wonderboy Thompson?.. yeah he has a 5th degree black belt in Kempo.. Lyoto Machida 3rd dan black belt in Shotokan.. George St Pierre 3rd dan blackbelt in Kyokushin.. them Karatekas are no joke.. put some respect on Karate..
@@edrodriguez1384Wonderboy proves that its very much viable if you have a good ground game. All his loses came from people taking him down except pettis but that was a fluke.
Only kind of. After Ramone dekkers came back from Thailand they started to implement more of the roundhouse technique from Muay Thai but besides that the footwork, the stance, the hands to kicks combinations all of that comes from Japanese style kickboxing which was invented to compete with and beat Muay Thai. Which it did for a while until Buakaw came along lol.
The dutch where the only country allowed into feudal Japan for international trade for a long time. This was because they vowed not to impose their religious and cultural beliefs as opposed to Britain. But instead focused on trade, which The Netherlands was the global leader of at that time.
Part of it is the absolutely brutal sparring. They do not hold anything back. When every sparring session is an all-out war, an actual fight becomes just another sparring session
the godfather of dutch kickboxing is thom harinck owner of chakuriki gym, he had first ever K1 GP winner Branko Cikatic the croatian tiger. Never forget the legends, RIP branko. OSS
Jan Plas from Mejiro Gym is at least as important as Thom Harinck from Chakuriki Gym. Both are legends and Branko was a beast, but Rob Kaman, Ernesto Hoost and Peter Aerts were even more succesful.
@@Boredoutofmywits ofcourse they were more successful because branko was 38 when he hit his prime and got opportunity to fight. They were much younger but i belive brankos record is hard to beat 87-9. BTW peter aerts is also from chakuriki and also badr hari. cro cop also trained there for a while. What happend to chakuriki? Not many fighters train there anymore?
@@korallrev3497 Harinck left Chakuriki in the early-mid 00s to open an MMA Gym IIRC. Brako was a beast, but lived od his freak power, toughness and sould basic principles. He wasn't as technical as other champs. I admire them all, top fighters and trainers. i don't play favourites.
so are other Japanese, what's your point? you do understand that Japan is an island nation, right? where do you think they get people? it's not the ethnically that matters, it's the upbringing and culture.
Its worth mentioning the genesis of the person given the koreans are quite talented at martial arts and other aspects of culture that the japanese took and called their own. Read a book called you gotta have wa by robert whiting the japanese have been extremely unfair and welcoming to anybody that has helped them in sports and martial arts
What are you talking about? Dutch kickboxing is not just "kickboxing with gi" (the gi is not even present anymore but sure) , it's the volume of work , the intense sparring, the hand work, the combinations , all of there are directly from kyokushin. Look at kyokushin fighters who moved to one for example. You can easily believe they are from dutch backround
@@g76931 you are clearly ignorant on the history of martial arts. Let me explain it to you even though you still won't understand. 😂 A long time ago, Chinese Kung Fu came to the island of Okinawa. Overtime it turned into Karate. A little over 100 years ago, the Japanese were impressed with American Boxing, and wanted a striking fight style of their own. So they brought over karate masters from Okinawa to teach the people of Japan. The thing was, Okinawan Karate didn't really have kicks above the waste like we see in Japanese Karate today. So in the 1920's the Japanese were impressed with French Savate, especially their high kicks, hand/foot combinations and footwork. They brought over many of those techniques and incorporated them into Japanese Karate. In the 1950's a Korean living in Japan named Mas Oyama, who practiced Japanese Karate started his own style of Karate called Kyokushin. It was very popular in Japan and by the 1960's they went to Thailand and fought the Thai's and did well. However one of those fighter's wanted to incorporate American Boxing into Kyokushin to improve the marital art, but Mas Oyama didn't want to. So a few of his student's broke off and started doing their own new style of karate. This new style was quickly turned into Japanese Kickboxing, a new Karate that corrects the deficiencies of Kyokushin and would be able to compete and hopefully completely dominate Muay Thai. Soon after, Dutch Kyokushin martial artists training in Japan stated training at this new gym/dojo and fell in love with it. They brought this new Japanese Kickboxing style to the Netherlands and over time it was called Dutch Kickboxing. So Dutch kickboxing comes from Japan, but it didn't start in Japan, it started in Okinawa, France, USA, and China.
@@xoPRECISEox jesus christ , the fact you watched jesse enkamp doesnt make you an expert lmao. The fact that kicks came from savate... so what? What it changes? You just ignored shit of what I said. Look at kyokushin , I don't care about the influence or what oyama did , in the end it's a different art with no similiarities besides the katas which are barely practiced in kyokushin. Mas oyama did karate , types of kung fu (his firstt martial art) was kung fu. I guess you are talking about Kurosaki when you said "student who learnt boxing and left oyama". Well , funny that Kurosaki which was the one who lost to the thais and created the kickboxing gym IN THE NETHERLANDS , didn't do american... at least not very knowly , unlike the thais which he kept training with. He had great relationship with the kyokushin kai and even thought in hawaii , what are you talking about?! And funnly enough , the kickboxing style was already developed with the japanese fighters fought with gloves and head shots , what the heck are you talking about? By your logic almost each and every martial art doesn't not really exist. "The origin of kung fu is in india because it developed there". Guess what smarthead , all martial arts came from the same core like all humans did.
@@g76931 I really wish you'd stop being so emotional and write less schizophrenic. Listen the bottom line is the best kickboxer ever was an American called Benny the Jet, he would absolutely crush any Dutch kickboxer in his weight class today. American fighter's are the best because of their superior boxing ability. Any high level American boxer would knock out all Dutch Kickboxers no matter what the rules are. At the end of the day, high kicks come from France, not Japan.
@@xoPRECISEox "schizophrenic", classic ed hominem. it's funny how you just ignored everything I said and just said "bottom line that americans win". What the heck are you talking about lmao
And karate was influenced by the French sailors because of Savate. No high roundhouses until the early 20th century in most Asian martial arts. Full circle is made 🇫🇷🇯🇵🇳🇱
You do know karate existed before the portuguese and Dutch established contact with japan and even before any frenchy set sail to the far east . Savate did not influence karate . Not by a long shot . early 1800s street fighting , while karate existed in the 18th century . so please explain how they influanced something that existed 100 prior and only colonized indochina in the late 1800s . Your facts dont add up .
@@jjtmmjjmm2113 I would love to se see him trie . As i had my share of real fights against these little bitches and some how they where always crying in a corner.
when you really start to look at their origins all martial arts come from other martial arts from different countries, i don't understand why people like to say it's from japan when if you actually look far enough it didn't start there either, it's just one of the most recent places in that specific martial art's evolution.
Its the same bro. Jujutsu is the real name. Brazilians just marketed it. They didnt add sht to it or evolved it. The japanese jujutsu had all the moves already. Brazilians just went around using jj to beat people up and sell the martial arts
although nowadays dutch style and jp stayle are way too diferrent, dutch style focuses more on "verticallity" and aggression, jp style has more focuus on mobility and techinque, to give you guys an idea of how Dutch and Jp differ now, Dutch style will be like having a mike tyson like fighter with good kicks, and jp style is having a Muhhamad ali like fighter that knows ho to kick.
How did you arrive at these percentages? If you remove the uniform of the kyokushin karate, could you tell the difference between him and the Muay Thai fighter?
@@bloodoftheunicorns2621 I don't think anyone can deny Dutch is majority Thai, hence 60%. More advanced upper body striking in exchange for tossing elbows justifies 30% boxing. And 10% Kyokushin because honest to God, show me the Kyokushin in Dutch Style because I don't see it.
@@mikhailvasiliev6275 Kyokushin focus on powerful blows in order to inflict as much damage as possible. They are specialists in close range combat and proper to take an attack then counterattack, they don’t like to give ground. They also got really good at throwing head kicks from in the pocket, as well as throwing kicks without turning their hips. The main weaknesses of this style is no punches to the head, only to the body. No punches to the head also means no head defense. Now just add Boxing and some cross training/fighting with Muay Thai and you’ll get Dutch kickboxing.
@@bloodoftheunicorns2621 I see. To answer your previous question, yes I could tell the difference because Kyokushin fighters have a very square stance and have no concept of working angles.
@@mikhailvasiliev6275 It's not pure traditionalist Kyokushin. It's Japanese Kickboxing which was Kyokushin style kicks mixed with boxing combinations and eventually integrating the thai low kick. If you look at what Japanese kickboxing was in the late 80s and 90s you can clearly see the heavy influence in the Dutch style.
No it's not true. Okinawan karate did had lots of influence from white crane kung fu but not only from that. And besides , dutch style evolved from kyokushin , which has almost nothing in common with gojo ryu for example
Kickboxing are very different of Muay Thai the Footwork are different, Defense are Different, Skills are Different look at Adesanya and Buakaw their styles are totally different.
@@arun455yup this is exactly it. Japanese athletes are usually restricted to one sport and even then, if they leave the country to compete elsewhere it causes problems too. I think Tenshin Nasukawa had to switch to boxing fully bc he had to choose between kickboxing and boxing and he wanted to be a boxer instead
story i heard, dutch karata players go there for tourment but wasent same karate they learend and got disquilifed on tourment rules came back and started dutch k1 with there own rulees always like this story u learn fighting style but not same style ,ppl think martiale arts are joke some are but some are very very very real and well trained unarmed person kan kill some with kick or a punch
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Its thai and Japan en the Dutch made it perfect and created thier own style . thats why a lot of kickboxers come to Holland to learn. becouse the dutch became the best at the sport.
They mean the style with Dutch kickboxing, Same as France kickboxing... Of course is it a mix of ohter combat sports. Other word for kickboxing is mix fight.
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@@samuelking4723 Because they're arrogant, every pure striking martial art had punches, kicks, knees, and elbows in its early stages.The That's aren’t good natural punches , so they rely on the clinch so often, but kickboxing doesn't, they focus more on boxing with low and body kicks and knees.
Um, ok? I thought Dutch Kickboxing comes from Muay Thai? The Muay Mat style fighter in Muay Thai uses heavy punch combinations and leg kicks. What does that sound like? DUTCH KICKBOXING.
@@tom02061997 Yes its a style and its always been promoted as the Dutch style. I never once heard anyone say kickboxing comes from here. (the netherlands)
After a certain point you have to wonder what the hell were the Japanese fighting? Most cultures have one or two martial arts, one or two legendary militaries. Japan has Karate, Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, then is known for Samurai, Ninjas and Kamikaze pilots. Tf were they prepping for?
@@kesenaememere8520 you’re not getting my point. That style of fighting was learned from the thai’s. Punches like boxing and leg kicks, body kicks like thais. They just even banned clinch in K-1 because buakaw was smoking everyone. Mas Oyama created kyokushin karate, where do you think he got his low kicks and elbows from? Ding ding Thland
Secrets of Dutch Kickboxing:
- Dutch are the tallest people on Earth.
By this logic we should dominate basketball as well, it has more to do with the fact we were the first european country to have good trade relations with Japan.
dutch people care about kickboxing but no one cares about baseball so ofcourse we would suck at it.@@martijnoerlemans765
@@martijnoerlemans765only Americans play basketball, its not a real sport
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@@dshrm yea dude! A Dutch coach in the Netherlands told me it started with dekkers messing with the Thais
True dutch kickboxing is heavily influenced by kyokushin karate, Bas Rutten one of the fathers of dutch kickboxing (in MMA) is a blackbelt in kyokushin karate
100 percent
So true.. it’s basically kyokushin with boxing. I trained with lucien carbin. He started with Kyokuskin like many of the other early trainers. I trained at vos and mikes gym too. Unbelievable system. The rest of the world is now basically trying to train in this system now also. You see the techniques so much in the UFC now. Amazing system
OSU!! all fellow kyokushin karatekas
Bas is not at all a pioneer in Dutch KB. Jan Plas and Thom Harinck could be Bas' fathers.
Kenji Kurosaki created Japanese KB mixing Muay Tai and yokushin. The dutch added a bit of extra boxing and a drop of Savate.
Secrets of Dutch Kickboxing:
It's kyokushin but with gloves
and face punch
dutch kickboxing is not only kyokushin. Its westren boxing, Muay Thai and kyokushin. its these 3 sports mixed in a way to be effective against literally every fighting style. tight guard heavy punches while chopping down the legs with Muay Thai kicks. its a very very effective style but you do need the right trainers to learn the style and the only way by doing that is by coming to the Netherlands. I been training here since I was 13 ( im 21 now ) and I can tell you most of the stuff on RUclips is bullshit if you wanna learn the style come to the Netherlands there's plenty of good gym's here usuu
@@pr1r. Old School Dutch Kickboxing even had elbows and clinching, because they had to constantly fight against Muay Thai practitioners and Japanese Kickboxers.
@@jamesloganhowlettwolverine1553 perfectly said bro 💯
A great example of one of those fighters is Ramon The Diamond Dekkers
Not really, the big difference between karate and kickboxing is that in kickboxing there is actually boxing being used maybe not that good but stills boxing, there is also a difference between the guard, kickboxers can stand with any boxing guard but you won't see this in karate. The same thing applies to footwork, head movement and blocking.
Kickboxing's introduction to the Netherlands can be traced back to the 1970s. It was during this time that Dutch martial artists who had trained in Japan brought the sport back to the Netherlands. Japan was the hub of kickboxing during that era, having developed its own version of the sport by combining elements of traditional Karate with Muay Thai, a martial art from Thailand.
Dutch martial artists like Jan Plas, who trained in Japan, played a crucial role in this process. Plas founded Mejiro Gym in Amsterdam, one of the first kickboxing gyms in the country. He and others like him began teaching kickboxing, incorporating techniques and training methods they had learned in Japan.
This new sport quickly gained popularity in the Netherlands. The Dutch approach to kickboxing evolved to have a distinctive style, known for its emphasis on aggressive punching and high work rate. This style was highly effective and led to the success of Dutch fighters in international competitions.
Over the years, the Netherlands has produced many world-class kickboxers and has become known as a powerhouse in the sport. The country's unique blend of kickboxing techniques, influenced by Japanese and Muay Thai styles, has made it a significant contributor to the sport's global evolution.
Very nice explanation 👌 thank you
John bluming way before the 70s
Karate + Muay Thai + Boxing = Kickboxing. Kickboxing with a high gaurd with a lot combinations with lowkicks = Dutch Style Kickboxing.
Kyokushin buddy
It was about an kyokushin karate practitioner who was getting ready to destroy an muay thai figher so it was like an hybrid of it and the guy who founded dutch kickboxing does boxing and by mixing his skills with the kyokushin karate guy with his boxing and he created a new style which is very effective (just imagine muay thai with boxing footwork and had movement, mixed with insane karate kicks)
people are so hard wired to think karate = bullshido that they can't comprehend how good karate is and how nicely it evolved with time.
Because of the mcDojos
Point fighting karate is crap, Kyokushin karate is the real deal, is what basically what made both Japanese Kickboxing and Dutch Kickboxing
Yes it evolved cause of other martial arts. Kicks from karate have been heavily influenced by Savate for example
@@ferumcastrum4097point karate is exactly what gave it such a bad name now. I do Muay Thai and people ask is it like karate? Thinking it’s like point karate light touch stuff and I say it’s closer to proper combat karate or I know now it’s actually called kyokushin karate. I tell people proper karate can be brutal asf but typically people can’t understand and think karate is just a shitty martial art with dumb useless movements.
Because karate isn’t often associated with training as in weight and cardio training. Lazy people want to learn a technique that’s going to help them be able to fight without having to put in the work
Its called Kyokushin.. and it is fucking LEGIT!! Karate is no joke guys.. you know that white dude throwing wild kicks knocking everyone out in the UFC rn, Wonderboy Thompson?.. yeah he has a 5th degree black belt in Kempo.. Lyoto Machida 3rd dan black belt in Shotokan.. George St Pierre 3rd dan blackbelt in Kyokushin.. them Karatekas are no joke.. put some respect on Karate..
Wonderboy is not a kyokushin fighter tho lol.
He is more kempo / shotokan style - like Machida.
Also none of the guys you named except for 40 year old Wonderboy (who just lost) are still fighting. Karate isnt a viable striking art for modern mma.
@@edrodriguez1384Wonderboy proves that its very much viable if you have a good ground game. All his loses came from people taking him down except pettis but that was a fluke.
@@vipr1142u know how to read?
@@edrodriguez1384 Wait, so you dont think it has to do with age? Lol Lyoto is 45 years old.
GSP is one of the GOATs
Dutch kickboxing also has thai influence
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A lot less than people seem to think
Only kind of. After Ramone dekkers came back from Thailand they started to implement more of the roundhouse technique from Muay Thai but besides that the footwork, the stance, the hands to kicks combinations all of that comes from Japanese style kickboxing which was invented to compete with and beat Muay Thai. Which it did for a while until Buakaw came along lol.
@@whiteflame24 before all of that the root of all kickboxing actually comes from soccer
Kenji Kurosaki created Japanese KB mixing Muay Tai and yokushin. The dutch added a bit of extra boxing and a drop of Savate,
In the anime Samurai Champloo, there is an episode where theres an eccentric Dutch man comes into town and learns the Japanese way.
Just watched that episode
its 2023. you are allowed to say hes gay instead of "eccentric"
Good episode the prositiute episode was a banger as well
@@TheSpencer033I think they call him a homo
The dutch where the only country allowed into feudal Japan for international trade for a long time. This was because they vowed not to impose their religious and cultural beliefs as opposed to Britain. But instead focused on trade, which The Netherlands was the global leader of at that time.
Part of it is the absolutely brutal sparring. They do not hold anything back. When every sparring session is an all-out war, an actual fight becomes just another sparring session
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the godfather of dutch kickboxing is thom harinck owner of chakuriki gym, he had first ever K1 GP winner Branko Cikatic the croatian tiger. Never forget the legends, RIP branko. OSS
Jan Plas from Mejiro Gym is at least as important as Thom Harinck from Chakuriki Gym. Both are legends and Branko was a beast, but Rob Kaman, Ernesto Hoost and Peter Aerts were even more succesful.
@@Boredoutofmywits ofcourse they were more successful because branko was 38 when he hit his prime and got opportunity to fight. They were much younger but i belive brankos record is hard to beat 87-9. BTW peter aerts is also from chakuriki and also badr hari. cro cop also trained there for a while. What happend to chakuriki? Not many fighters train there anymore?
@@korallrev3497 Harinck left Chakuriki in the early-mid 00s to open an MMA Gym IIRC. Brako was a beast, but lived od his freak power, toughness and sould basic principles. He wasn't as technical as other champs. I admire them all, top fighters and trainers. i don't play favourites.
@@Boredoutofmywits agreed about branko. did harinck left his own gym??
@@korallrev3497 he has trouble with his business partners. The money guys. I don't know the exact details, but know it happened.
I think the guy he's referring to is named Toshio Fujiwara.
yep.
Then his master told him to train hard and go fight the kumite and beat Chong Lee
Kenji Kurosaki and Fujihara of Kyokushinkai
Kenji Kurosaki created Japanese KB mixing Muay Tai and yokushin. The dutch added a bit of extra boxing and a drop of Savate,
Even Oyama has added some Muay Tay to his mix of Shotokan and Goju-ryu to for Kyoku
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As always. And as always deeply divided. I better shut my mouth. Because I don't know enough about it.
Such great content by hoof
Yep in the 80s and 90s MMA you got japanese dudes fighting like it was 2020
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Karate based, added Muay Thai and some sick Boxing combos
Kiokushin + Muy-Thai - effective combination 🎉
Mas Oyama was ethnically korean
so are other Japanese, what's your point? you do understand that Japan is an island nation, right? where do you think they get people? it's not the ethnically that matters, it's the upbringing and culture.
Its worth mentioning the genesis of the person given the koreans are quite talented at martial arts and other aspects of culture that the japanese took and called their own. Read a book called you gotta have wa by robert whiting the japanese have been extremely unfair and welcoming to anybody that has helped them in sports and martial arts
Kyokushin Karate + Muay Thai + Boxing = Dutch Kickboxing
Honest man
Yeah but Japanese Karate got it's high kicks from Savate. So Dutch kickboxing also comes from France.
What are you talking about? Dutch kickboxing is not just "kickboxing with gi" (the gi is not even present anymore but sure) , it's the volume of work , the intense sparring, the hand work, the combinations , all of there are directly from kyokushin. Look at kyokushin fighters who moved to one for example. You can easily believe they are from dutch backround
@@g76931 you are clearly ignorant on the history of martial arts. Let me explain it to you even though you still won't understand. 😂
A long time ago, Chinese Kung Fu came to the island of Okinawa. Overtime it turned into Karate. A little over 100 years ago, the Japanese were impressed with American Boxing, and wanted a striking fight style of their own. So they brought over karate masters from Okinawa to teach the people of Japan. The thing was, Okinawan Karate didn't really have kicks above the waste like we see in Japanese Karate today. So in the 1920's the Japanese were impressed with French Savate, especially their high kicks, hand/foot combinations and footwork. They brought over many of those techniques and incorporated them into Japanese Karate.
In the 1950's a Korean living in Japan named Mas Oyama, who practiced Japanese Karate started his own style of Karate called Kyokushin. It was very popular in Japan and by the 1960's they went to Thailand and fought the Thai's and did well. However one of those fighter's wanted to incorporate American Boxing into Kyokushin to improve the marital art, but Mas Oyama didn't want to. So a few of his student's broke off and started doing their own new style of karate. This new style was quickly turned into Japanese Kickboxing, a new Karate that corrects the deficiencies of Kyokushin and would be able to compete and hopefully completely dominate Muay Thai.
Soon after, Dutch Kyokushin martial artists training in Japan stated training at this new gym/dojo and fell in love with it. They brought this new Japanese Kickboxing style to the Netherlands and over time it was called Dutch Kickboxing.
So Dutch kickboxing comes from Japan, but it didn't start in Japan, it started in Okinawa, France, USA, and China.
@@xoPRECISEox jesus christ , the fact you watched jesse enkamp doesnt make you an expert lmao. The fact that kicks came from savate... so what? What it changes? You just ignored shit of what I said. Look at kyokushin , I don't care about the influence or what oyama did , in the end it's a different art with no similiarities besides the katas which are barely practiced in kyokushin. Mas oyama did karate , types of kung fu (his firstt martial art) was kung fu. I guess you are talking about Kurosaki when you said "student who learnt boxing and left oyama". Well , funny that Kurosaki which was the one who lost to the thais and created the kickboxing gym IN THE NETHERLANDS , didn't do american... at least not very knowly , unlike the thais which he kept training with. He had great relationship with the kyokushin kai and even thought in hawaii , what are you talking about?! And funnly enough , the kickboxing style was already developed with the japanese fighters fought with gloves and head shots , what the heck are you talking about? By your logic almost each and every martial art doesn't not really exist. "The origin of kung fu is in india because it developed there". Guess what smarthead , all martial arts came from the same core like all humans did.
@@g76931 I really wish you'd stop being so emotional and write less schizophrenic. Listen the bottom line is the best kickboxer ever was an American called Benny the Jet, he would absolutely crush any Dutch kickboxer in his weight class today. American fighter's are the best because of their superior boxing ability. Any high level American boxer would knock out all Dutch Kickboxers no matter what the rules are.
At the end of the day, high kicks come from France, not Japan.
@@xoPRECISEox "schizophrenic", classic ed hominem. it's funny how you just ignored everything I said and just said "bottom line that americans win". What the heck are you talking about lmao
And karate was influenced by the French sailors because of Savate. No high roundhouses until the early 20th century in most Asian martial arts. Full circle is made
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Savate it so slept on its a tragedy!
You do know karate existed before the portuguese and Dutch established contact with japan and even before any frenchy set sail to the far east . Savate did not influence karate . Not by a long shot . early 1800s street fighting , while karate existed in the 18th century . so please explain how they influanced something that existed 100 prior and only colonized indochina in the late 1800s .
Your facts dont add up .
@@jjtmmjjmm2113 Its slept on for a reason , it doesnt work .
@@marcusfranconium3392 an Olympic savate practitioner would walk through you
@@jjtmmjjmm2113 I would love to se see him trie . As i had my share of real fights against these little bitches and some how they where always crying in a corner.
Karate+Boxing=Kickboxing
Dutch style !!!
He failed to mention it was "Kyokushin" Karate...not Shotokan
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Dutch kickboxing is not that they invented kickboxing, it’s the style of kickboxing… much more focused on combo’s than going in hard, like the Thai
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True. You can thank kyokushin karate. I trained at an amazing kyokushin dojo and it is no joke. OSU!
Even Oyama has added some Muay Tai to his mix of Shotokan and Goju-ryu to form Kyoku
Greco-Roman wresting is from Japan?
Kyokushin + boxe
Came from Greece and Rome and every other group of people that had to fight to survive war.
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They guy was practicing for a fight in Thailand 🤔 hmm. Dare i say muai thai lmaooo
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Kyoukushinaki with gloves?
Dutch kickboxing is a mix from a full contact karate style and muay Thai. Then they changed it into a great own style. It is our own style
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when you really start to look at their origins all martial arts come from other martial arts from different countries, i don't understand why people like to say it's from japan when if you actually look far enough it didn't start there either, it's just one of the most recent places in that specific martial art's evolution.
BJJ (Brazilian) jujutsu (Japanese)
Its the same bro. Jujutsu is the real name. Brazilians just marketed it. They didnt add sht to it or evolved it. The japanese jujutsu had all the moves already. Brazilians just went around using jj to beat people up and sell the martial arts
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Dutch kickboxing is a comination of boxing, muay thai, kukushin karate
So dutch kickboxing is more like kickboxing with more emphasis on punching and more aggresive
Kickboxing was invented to defeat Muay Thai fighters
Wow that's great he shared the truth about Dutch kickboxing #dutchkickboxing
Not a huge fan of henry, but he is right. Guys like semmy schilt train others in kyokushin these days. Im sure many others do aswell.
Dutch kickboxing is Muay Thai and Boxing in one!
No it's Kyokushin and Boxing they went Japan to learn it not Thailand.
I only say this name Tom Harinck
While i also think the French deserve as little credit as possible, it is a bit more complex than that.
i dont see the difference between thai boxing and dutch kick boxing , except dutch uses more hands
although nowadays dutch style and jp stayle are way too diferrent, dutch style focuses more on "verticallity" and aggression, jp style has more focuus on mobility and techinque, to give you guys an idea of how Dutch and Jp differ now, Dutch style will be like having a mike tyson like fighter with good kicks, and jp style is having a Muhhamad ali like fighter that knows ho to kick.
No one talks about box kicking.
It’s the weird love child of kyukoshin and muay thai
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Isn't Dutch Kickboxing like 60% Muay Thai, 30% Boxing and only like 10% Kyokushin?
How did you arrive at these percentages? If you remove the uniform of the kyokushin karate, could you tell the difference between him and the Muay Thai fighter?
@@bloodoftheunicorns2621 I don't think anyone can deny Dutch is majority Thai, hence 60%.
More advanced upper body striking in exchange for tossing elbows justifies 30% boxing.
And 10% Kyokushin because honest to God, show me the Kyokushin in Dutch Style because I don't see it.
@@mikhailvasiliev6275 Kyokushin focus on powerful blows in order to inflict as much damage as possible. They are specialists in close range combat and proper to take an attack then counterattack, they don’t like to give ground. They also got really good at throwing head kicks from in the pocket, as well as throwing kicks without turning their hips. The main weaknesses of this style is no punches to the head, only to the body. No punches to the head also means no head defense. Now just add Boxing and some cross training/fighting with Muay Thai and you’ll get Dutch kickboxing.
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I see. To answer your previous question, yes I could tell the difference because Kyokushin fighters have a very square stance and have no concept of working angles.
@@mikhailvasiliev6275 It's not pure traditionalist Kyokushin. It's Japanese Kickboxing which was Kyokushin style kicks mixed with boxing combinations and eventually integrating the thai low kick. If you look at what Japanese kickboxing was in the late 80s and 90s you can clearly see the heavy influence in the Dutch style.
That's because in Britain before boxing became commercial it was all bare knuckle boxing and as u hear its all good till u get punched in face
Most karate comes from kung Fu, and I heard that most kung fu comes from an old Indian martial art
No it's not true. Okinawan karate did had lots of influence from white crane kung fu but not only from that. And besides , dutch style evolved from kyokushin , which has almost nothing in common with gojo ryu for example
It's really from Thailand. The gym in Japan was born from a foreigner Muay Thai fighter
No, it wasn’t. It was born in times when Kyokushin was still relevant.
kyokushin karate is okinawan
@@99loops lol? It is not! It’s a next step in japanese mainland karate after shotokan.
@@99loops kyokushin is mostly korean
Nice story bro
History says otherwise
Kickboxing are very different of Muay Thai the Footwork are different, Defense are Different, Skills are Different look at Adesanya and Buakaw their styles are totally different.
PanCrase that utilizes all of these started in ancient Greece. It's the first model of MMA
BJJ and Japanese Jiu Jitsu....."We changed a liittle bit"
Ähhhhmmmmmmm......ok? :D Day and night?
He's not wrong, almost everything we see in kickboxing or MMA comes from traditional martial Arts.
Muay Thai is the real thing,thanks to the diamond it became popular outside of Thailand
Why’s it’s crap? Mejiro and Vos started like this, but I don’t know if Thom Harinck went to Japan, but i know he study Kyokushinkai.
You didn't click on the respond button my friend. Now it looks like your comment is randomly questioning nothing 😂
Who gives a siht only you, so you must of read it!!
that's definitely not how "kickboxing" got started, unless he's only referring to the Dutch style.
Finally someone knows what to talk about😂
OSU to all the Kyokushin people
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Japan has made some of the most successful fighting styles in history. How come they aren’t UFC champs?
I don't know about other sports, but you get banned from judo if you go into mma. From what i know, mixing is frowned upon.
@@arun455yup this is exactly it. Japanese athletes are usually restricted to one sport and even then, if they leave the country to compete elsewhere it causes problems too. I think Tenshin Nasukawa had to switch to boxing fully bc he had to choose between kickboxing and boxing and he wanted to be a boxer instead
Because the UFC isn't the end all, be all like Dana White and Joe Rogan would have you think.
Varying reasons, most commonly that travel is a hassle for them.
That's said, watch out for Tatsuo Taira.
story i heard, dutch karata players go there for tourment but wasent same karate they learend and got disquilifed on tourment rules came back and started dutch k1 with there own rulees always like this story u learn fighting style but not same style ,ppl think martiale arts are joke some are but some are very very very real and well trained unarmed person kan kill some with kick or a punch
Kickboxing started from Japan because somebody was going to fight in Thailand. Doesn't that mean the kickboxing is from Thailand? 😂
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Its thai and Japan en the Dutch made it perfect and created thier own style . thats why a lot of kickboxers come to Holland to learn. becouse the dutch became the best at the sport.
Made it perfect? What? 🤣 Muay thai is way more complete than Dutch kickboxing
@@user-pd9ju5dk5s oke explane me why the dutch are one of the best Dutch kickboxers then and not the Thai
@@user-pd9ju5dk5s Muay Thai ain't perfect either.
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They mean the style with Dutch kickboxing, Same as France kickboxing... Of course is it a mix of ohter combat sports. Other word for kickboxing is mix fight.
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And Japan took it from Thailand, Muay Thai
Karate come in part from french boxing
Secrets of dutch, no dutch in it...
Bjj, brazilian jiu jitsu from Japan?😂
Jiu jitsu is from the Japan. Japanese Jiu jitsu you should know that.
And that “japanese kickboxing” was actually derived from Muay Thai.
Kyokushin and Boxing,not purely Muay Thai.
@@kesenaememere8520 The Thais sure do kick up a lot of fuss over the Japanese copying them though
@@samuelking4723 Because they're arrogant, every pure striking martial art had punches, kicks, knees, and elbows in its early stages.The That's aren’t good natural punches , so they rely on the clinch so often, but kickboxing doesn't, they focus more on boxing with low and body kicks and knees.
@kesenaememere8520 so arrogant to the point a few have racially insulted me over it.
Um, ok? I thought Dutch Kickboxing comes from Muay Thai? The Muay Mat style fighter in Muay Thai uses heavy punch combinations and leg kicks. What does that sound like? DUTCH KICKBOXING.
Nope.
japanese jiu jitsu came from japan, that came to brazil, so basically... its pretty obvious.
Nobody ever thought kickboxing is from the Netherlands
Bro dutch kickboxing is one of the 2 major styles next to thai
@@tom02061997 Yes its a style and its always been promoted as the Dutch style. I never once heard anyone say kickboxing comes from here. (the netherlands)
It's about the difference between 'kickboxing' and 'Dutch kickboxing', with the latter being considered a subset of the former.
I did…
Dutch kick boxing is Muay Thai fighters who can box. Ramon Dekkers.
Sure Right, karate came from India, muay Thai.
BJJ is from Brazil is it not?
Yes, everyone knows that... but it all originated from japan.
IT ALL EVOLVED FROM WRESTLING
Japan the Birth of Kickboxing, Jiu Jitsu and Boxing it's Greek look Wrestling are Greek too.
Can’t believe Brazilian jiu jitsu came from japan
it did, Brazil has alot of Japanese people who took Judo and Japanese Jiu Jiutsu and that evolved to BJJ. Learn your history
Maeda the instructor of Gracie was Kodokan Judo. Bjj is Judo.
Sambo is Kodokan Judo mixed with several wrestling styles, boxing and kickboxing.
Jiujitsu is a Japanese word 😂
@@lepatate3457 this guy dont know what he is talking about haha his comment backfired so hard
😅The word jiu jitsu is literally Japanese, ya dolt
After a certain point you have to wonder what the hell were the Japanese fighting? Most cultures have one or two martial arts, one or two legendary militaries. Japan has Karate, Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, then is known for Samurai, Ninjas and Kamikaze pilots. Tf were they prepping for?
And Japan kickboxing came from Thailand
Kickboxing comes from Japan.
@@kesenaememere8520 you’re not getting my point. That style of fighting was learned from the thai’s. Punches like boxing and leg kicks, body kicks like thais. They just even banned clinch in K-1 because buakaw was smoking everyone. Mas Oyama created kyokushin karate, where do you think he got his low kicks and elbows from? Ding ding Thland