Ramon Dekkers story needs to be professionally documented or made into a movie with a proper budget. The man was a true trail blazer for the western world.
The scene at the end of Kickboxer, where Kurt Sloane is fighting Tong Po, the crowd chants Nok Su Kao (white warrior). Ramon Dekkers was the real Nok Su Kao.
If you want to understand dutch kickboxing , just study Ramon Dekkers and Rob Kaman fights , after that Hoost, Aerts , Bonjasky , Hari, Sauer , Kraus , after that Holzken and van Roosmalen. You will have a striking foundation for life.
@1rikAtiC1 Hoost came before Roman and Hoost is considered the Greatest of all time when it comes to the k1 and or Dutch style. So I would say Study Hoost and then Roman Dekkers
@@MakeItHappen-hq1hv Hoost was 0-2 vs. Kaman, though. Kaman had better footwork and combo's, I think. I'd also study Maurice Smith to master kickboxing. He was great, but not Dutch.
Reminds me of what Jack Dempsey wrote in his book. He said to start in your angled fighting stance, but whenever you get into rapid fire exchanges your rear foot would automatically creep up so you were standing squared. Standing square is the best way to throw hooks and "straight" punches where you do not step. He taught straight punches with the step a lot differently than most people do these days, which required you to be in the traditional fighting stance.
I had friend who knew Bas very well when they use to fight pancrase and the stories about this guy were amazing. He truly is a weapon and his knowledge is truly amazing.
You're an awesome guy! I'm so glad you're still in the industry and teaching (you're very very good at teaching) - I've watched a lot of you teaching great skills to know. Thank you Sir!
@Agustin-zg5wk because hand fighting is very stupid. Even a ufc champion is at a serious disadvantage against more than one person. And even one on one an untrained person holding a stick has an advantage over an unarmed, trained fighter. This is why militaries and police forces don't waste a lot of time on hand to hand combat training. Even a simple weapon instantly makes you more effective than a ufc fighter
Bas went a long way in dispelling this whole bladed stance myth. As a TKD guy this was a massive change for me. But indeed it always seemed to sound better as a theory than it played out in practice.
Open stance is what the Muay Thai instructor Matee Jedeepitak hammered into us at his gym. You do feel exposed--I had to fight the instinct to blade my stance--but you can do so much more, as Bas said. When I've been to other gyms, I rarely find partners who want to train opposite of their regular stance, which is something I've tried to do from the beginning. It can get confusing with the callouts, sure, but with open stance, switching from orthodox to southpaw feels quite fluid.
A freak exception, when most had begun to adopt the wider stance like in Muay Thai, Manson Gibson kept the bladed stance to great success, with 80 KO's on his record as well, out of 115 fights. Incredible guy. Checkout Lawrence Kenshin Striking Breakdowns if you wanna see a video about him, "The black Bruce Lee" is in the title.
Opening up your stance means your feet are more square to your opponent; it gives you more power from your non dominant hand. It doesn't mean your feet are wider apart.
With a squared stance I have found it difficult to advance on a good side kicker (sanda, TKD, Karate, etc) who chambers their lead leg quickly. The only advice coaches have ever given me was to feint to draw out the kick then sidestep. This approach has frustrated me as an opponent who chambers their leg quickly can effectively counter any advance I make, while slowly walking me down in their bladed/side stance. When I try to use calf kicks usually the person's reach with their side kick overcomes my range due to their hip extension in the side stance posture. Anyone know of any way to deal with this?
the dutch style is more aimed at boxing and making combinations with kicks, that is why the dutch style low kick is shorter and almost without rotating the body and without lowering the arms, it is less powerful, but very effective to combine it with combinations of boxing. This benefits from a square guard because as bass says in the video, you can move to the sides (pivots), find out what is the "gazella punch", or the "check hook", and incorporate it into your combinations, you will have a advantage against anyone with a karate-style stance, TKD, etc.
The squared stance is better suited for striking, especially if you are using the peekaboo style of boxing. It allows you to move forward much faster. Once you land a hit to the body or the face, then you can switch to a normal fighting stance for kicking.
side steps 45degree back or forth / seize or push, brush the side kicking leg and punish with kick, (on the leg you just pushed aside, otór the standing leg, all goes, ). the side kick limits very much the user. his footwork will be very dedicated only back-forth, (while using side-kick), and other techniques (kicks or hands) are weakened, so most of his tools are off. for me, a side. kicker is afraid of real brawl. he should be pushed into that, and he should feel as a prey.
Awesome!!! They always say just go to the body or kick to the balls if they stand squared up... Okay except anyone who fights in that stance is naturally better at stuffing takedowns and checking leg kicks, plus you gonna trade a body shots against jaw hunters?!? Not likely! And I hope your head motion is fantastic, because it's gonna need to be. Bas is a beast!
Ive experienced the same phenomenon, and I think its due to the fact that unlike your rear hook, the lead hook can utilize the pulling muscles of the back more effectively.
Blading contains fear. Restraint. fighting (creative, that is destructive, in this given case) energies, moves, techniques cannot emerge. Miyamoto Mushashi also addresses the issue of stance in the Go Rin No Sho. In short: "natural". Like you stand in the bus stop, waiting for the bus. That is the best way I could explain it to my students, with what I learned. Masters say, that steps should be like in normal life. Techniques will emerge naturally. "Fire springs out of the source." Look at Dekkers when he walks toward his prey/target/opponent. Yes, they are prey. They should be prey.
Im sorry Bas, go watch Stephen Wonderboy Thompson, he fights almost exclusively in a bladed stance and has some of the best lateral movement in combat sports. He had alot of good points but I absolutely have to disagree with that one.
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Ramon Dekkers story needs to be professionally documented or made into a movie with a proper budget. The man was a true trail blazer for the western world.
The scene at the end of Kickboxer, where Kurt Sloane is fighting Tong Po, the crowd chants Nok Su Kao (white warrior). Ramon Dekkers was the real Nok Su Kao.
@Shoegazebasedgenre0.through cheating circumstances
@Shoegazebasedgenre0.their victories were flawed though Dekkers legacy will be forever tainted by his weight advantage he held
@Shoegazebasedgenre0.against Thais
If you want to understand dutch kickboxing , just study Ramon Dekkers and Rob Kaman fights , after that Hoost, Aerts , Bonjasky , Hari, Sauer , Kraus , after that Holzken and van Roosmalen. You will have a striking foundation for life.
@1rikAtiC1 Hoost came before Roman and Hoost is considered the Greatest of all time when it comes to the k1 and or Dutch style. So I would say Study Hoost and then Roman Dekkers
@@MakeItHappen-hq1hv Hoost was 0-2 vs. Kaman, though. Kaman had better footwork and combo's, I think. I'd also study Maurice Smith to master kickboxing. He was great, but not Dutch.
@@MakeItHappen-hq1hvKaman was better
Reminds me of what Jack Dempsey wrote in his book. He said to start in your angled fighting stance, but whenever you get into rapid fire exchanges your rear foot would automatically creep up so you were standing squared. Standing square is the best way to throw hooks and "straight" punches where you do not step. He taught straight punches with the step a lot differently than most people do these days, which required you to be in the traditional fighting stance.
👀"Standing Square" like in Karate 💪
Lol its not exclusive to karate, its in old school 1800s boxing too@@dariuswilliams7509
Bas, you are just a great fighter and a even better man out of the ring. Thank you for your detail man on the street fight information.
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Bas Rutten is 100% the real deal... I would love to sit and have a chill out, perhaps 'glory days chat' with this guy... much love... ❤🙏
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I had friend who knew Bas very well when they use to fight pancrase and the stories about this guy were amazing. He truly is a weapon and his knowledge is truly amazing.
I fucking love Bas, such a real dude. El Guapo has a special place in history.
You're an awesome guy! I'm so glad you're still in the industry and teaching (you're very very good at teaching) - I've watched a lot of you teaching great skills to know. Thank you Sir!
Jack Dempsey fought in the open stance too, where every shot was a power shot.
Guys like Bas are the reason why we invented weapons.
Weapon fighting predates hand to hand combat.
Striking is a civilised thing, which I find very strange.
@@Agustin-zg5wk Correct early humans probably killed their first fellow human with a rock or stick. Not with their hands or legs.
@@rolandxor179 killed maybe but first form of fighting to humans was "wrestling" just watch monkes fight or other animals.
Great point and so true😂😂
@Agustin-zg5wk because hand fighting is very stupid. Even a ufc champion is at a serious disadvantage against more than one person. And even one on one an untrained person holding a stick has an advantage over an unarmed, trained fighter. This is why militaries and police forces don't waste a lot of time on hand to hand combat training. Even a simple weapon instantly makes you more effective than a ufc fighter
One boxing style i never hear being talked about is Roy Jones stance, his lower body bladed and upper body squared
periera does the same
Bas went a long way in dispelling this whole bladed stance myth. As a TKD guy this was a massive change for me. But indeed it always seemed to sound better as a theory than it played out in practice.
Open stance is what the Muay Thai instructor Matee Jedeepitak hammered into us at his gym. You do feel exposed--I had to fight the instinct to blade my stance--but you can do so much more, as Bas said. When I've been to other gyms, I rarely find partners who want to train opposite of their regular stance, which is something I've tried to do from the beginning. It can get confusing with the callouts, sure, but with open stance, switching from orthodox to southpaw feels quite fluid.
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A freak exception, when most had begun to adopt the wider stance like in Muay Thai, Manson Gibson kept the bladed stance to great success, with 80 KO's on his record as well, out of 115 fights.
Incredible guy.
Checkout Lawrence Kenshin Striking Breakdowns if you wanna see a video about him, "The black Bruce Lee" is in the title.
Well that explains why I've lost power. New MMA striking coach has opened up my stance considerably !
It’s the other way; you should have increased it
@@jackgri96 going back to by normal shorter stance as increased my speed and power. Not sure what you mean
Opening up your stance means your feet are more square to your opponent; it gives you more power from your non dominant hand.
It doesn't mean your feet are wider apart.
@@nickthomas9945 I actually meant that I had lengthen my stance. I now went back to shorter more squared stance.
Thanks Mr. Rutten
Very informative.
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With a squared stance I have found it difficult to advance on a good side kicker (sanda, TKD, Karate, etc) who chambers their lead leg quickly. The only advice coaches have ever given me was to feint to draw out the kick then sidestep. This approach has frustrated me as an opponent who chambers their leg quickly can effectively counter any advance I make, while slowly walking me down in their bladed/side stance. When I try to use calf kicks usually the person's reach with their side kick overcomes my range due to their hip extension in the side stance posture. Anyone know of any way to deal with this?
Footwork. Side stepping different angles. Also you can crash into their shin when they chamber then plant and strike.
the dutch style is more aimed at boxing and making combinations with kicks, that is why the dutch style low kick is shorter and almost without rotating the body and without lowering the arms, it is less powerful, but very effective to combine it with combinations of boxing. This benefits from a square guard because as bass says in the video, you can move to the sides (pivots), find out what is the "gazella punch", or the "check hook", and incorporate it into your combinations, you will have a advantage against anyone with a karate-style stance, TKD, etc.
The squared stance is better suited for striking, especially if you are using the peekaboo style of boxing. It allows you to move forward much faster. Once you land a hit to the body or the face, then you can switch to a normal fighting stance for kicking.
Step into there legs and throw short hooks or push them into the ropes in a defensive stance/guard and then unload your shots
side steps 45degree back or forth / seize or push, brush the side kicking leg and punish with kick, (on the leg you just pushed aside, otór the standing leg, all goes, ). the side kick limits very much the user. his footwork will be very dedicated only back-forth, (while using side-kick), and other techniques (kicks or hands) are weakened, so most of his tools are off. for me, a side. kicker is afraid of real brawl. he should be pushed into that, and he should feel as a prey.
Legend
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Great technician with practical purposes , open stance has better power with improved defence.
Isn't the square stance he describes the fundamental Muay-Thai stance?
No, thai stance is short and narrower unlike bas
Brilliant
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Awesome!!! They always say just go to the body or kick to the balls if they stand squared up... Okay except anyone who fights in that stance is naturally better at stuffing takedowns and checking leg kicks, plus you gonna trade a body shots against jaw hunters?!? Not likely!
And I hope your head motion is fantastic, because it's gonna need to be.
Bas is a beast!
Bas owns
Who has had success with the bladed stance?
Superfoor Wallace
Wonderboy Thompson
GSP
Ramon "The Diamond" Dekkers.
Absolutly!
I don't think Bas has heard of Bill Wallace when it comes to using the bladed stance against front on opponents.
bless bless 🛸🛸🛸🌥
is it weird that my left hook is way more powerful than my right hook/cross, even though im not southpaw?
Ive experienced the same phenomenon, and I think its due to the fact that unlike your rear hook, the lead hook can utilize the pulling muscles of the back more effectively.
Blading contains fear. Restraint. fighting (creative, that is destructive, in this given case) energies, moves, techniques cannot emerge. Miyamoto Mushashi also addresses the issue of stance in the Go Rin No Sho. In short: "natural". Like you stand in the bus stop, waiting for the bus. That is the best way I could explain it to my students, with what I learned. Masters say, that steps should be like in normal life. Techniques will emerge naturally. "Fire springs out of the source." Look at Dekkers when he walks toward his prey/target/opponent. Yes, they are prey. They should be prey.
Bas is a legend…I would consider him top 3 MMA fighters of all time!
Im sorry Bas, go watch Stephen Wonderboy Thompson, he fights almost exclusively in a bladed stance and has some of the best lateral movement in combat sports. He had alot of good points but I absolutely have to disagree with that one.
Dekkers skinny guy? 😂 lmao Bas rly is a hulk
when he was 17 he was
Stand bladed against a good low kicker😂