Politics is polarized everywhere, but nowhere do politicians sell their country for internal political advantage as Indians do! When it comes to international affairs, Indians need to set party affiliations and all differences aside, identify themselves as Indians first and last, and stand together.
Depth of involvement the Western Intelligence agencies in this Business with Terrorism - Are Western Intelligence Services Financing The JIHAD? ruclips.net/video/q39sHhdMUnU/видео.htmlsi=ukQdE7mn5oxYAQtK Why is this not running in a loop in any and all of their channels and outlets???
As a sikh myself, i am siding with Govt of India in this matter. No matter what. Khalistan is not what sikh religion is about. Same like Hindutva isn't Hinduism. 😅
I agree 💯! We also need to uproot religion and caste from Indian politics. Make it about upward mobility and economic opportunity. The world is headed into a very challenging period. As a country we need to become a truly modern federal state, with laws that govern all citizens equally and protect them equally
Hindutva and Hinduism are not same, because Hindutva is based on ideology of 'Hindavi Swaraj' of Chatrapati Shivaji which includes Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism too just like Zionism includes Christianity too. ❤❤Love For HINDUTVA❤❤
You side with the endian government that is the fascist hendutva and rss ,that's kind of contradictory ,Punjab belongs to Punjabi people regardless of their religion not to endia and the same goes for all the states of endia ,they have been put together by the force of arms and today are kept together by the force of arms ,only brothers can get united ,Punjabi are brothers with Punjabi from Pakistan (another invented country that has never existed like endia before 1947) West Bengali are brothers with the Bangladeshi people not with the savage marathi or gujarati or any other nations of endia,endia is a collection of well define nations that should be independent from endia ...
Such discussions were a norm in India 20-25 yrs ago. In our school days parents would encourage to watch national TV debates, as their was lot worth learning from such debates.Sadly, the level of debates has drastically gone down. The likes of Kapil Sibal and learned people in this debate are becoming rare.
A good discussion. - Madam Bhasmati is off the mark, when she says Trudeau is partnering with Sikh secessionists in Canada. He may be part of the politics of votes. She was rightly corrected by Manish Tiwari. - Reliability of our intelligence agencies of doing a thing and not getting caught is under question. - Balakot was a reaction to the Pulwama attack. Doubts are at galore when details of this attack have not been brought to the public, this raised eyebrows not only nationally but also in international fora. - Probably domestic politics is playing heavily in the minds of both India and Canada. - Answers need to be given by the Modi government, he is responsible and accountable for the reputation of HM, which as it is tarnished from day one.
With due respect to the panelists, as a Canadian citizen staying in Canada since 2015, there was no Khalistan or Hindu Sikh divide. It's only after 2015 that Indian government policy to divide hindu and Sikh communities and move ahead with its hindu rashtrs agenda has brought back separatists elements to the fore. After all how can you talk about Hindu rashtra and not expect any retaliation in a country that has so many religions and faiths? And Mr. Tiwari forgets an MP with separatist ideology in parliament who was recently elected in Punjab and is still lodged in jail. Moreover the lady says she as a diplomat used all means to extract intelligence. Does she mean embassies where she served were involved in drive-by shootings and extortions on businesses to make them participants in clandestine ops? This is what has happened in Canada were Canadian diplomats have been involved in threatening local communities to spy on separatist elements and have been coerced to gather information in lieu of consular services such as issuing visas and OCI cards. Hindu and Sikh businesses were threatened to fall in line or face consequences and many have come forward and complained to Canadian intelligence. Diplomats have been caught with their pants down and now there is evidence, not intelligence, which will be produced in Canadian courts when more will come to light. But the current Indian regime is not one that believes in diplomacy and wants to shove things down other countries through all means that look where we have landed in. PM Trudeau only did what he did not for winning elections but to put this to a stop since there was no cooperation from India even after meeting multiple times.
My question is, if someone has given up Indian Citizenship and adopted nationality if another country, then that person looses the right to interfere in Indian politics. You can not be a citizen of canada and talk of dismemberment of India by force, if need be.
They are discussing state sponsored secessionist plans by Canada against India. They are discussing those Ks. So, now all Sikhs are Khalistanis? Is this what you are saying?
Sikha have respect and prosperity in India. Hindu give respect because they are descendents of our great Gurus. Bharat Ma loves the youngest children the most, even then they want to hold her neck. If one part is separated,there will be thousand parts which no government can see.
Arre it is not started now the 80s itself. Hindutva is to unite Hindus to save themselves from jihadis and evangelists not against any one. Hindus ever retaliated for the attacks muslims made if only since independence considered they are not doing these and country might not have seen religious killings like Gujarat never saw almost again after 2002 except sporadic incidents. Pakistan support gives them that deadly power.
When Mr Sibal said there were around 770,000 Sikhs in Canada , he might be referring to Sikh separatists. Otherwise the Sikh population in Canada, taking into account both citizens and non-citizens, is well over 2million by all measures. Now, that’s true that only Canadian citizens above the age of 19 years would vote that significantly reduce the Sikh vote to may be around 2%. Sikh voters could make some impact in provinces of British Columbia, Alberta and Vancouver but that’s pretty much it.
There is no denying the fact that the course of our foreign diplomacy has taken an unsavoury and distasteful turn, of late. We have fallen headlong from the amazing altitude of global admiration and recognition of India as a moral leader . The sordid turn of events concerning Canada and India is bound to have an adverse impact in our relations with our neighbours as well as other countries. It is likely to create an atmosphere of increasing distrust and suspicion. The air must be cleared with utmost urgency otherwise our enemies will exploit it to their gains.
India at some point would have taken such a stand like most countries do when they become more assertive and powerful. It is a natural evolution of asserting sovereignty when other nations challenge it. The five eyes continue to do it, the Chinese do it, the Israelis do it to name a few.
Irrespective of this spat with Canadians, India’s relation with South Asian neighbours has taken a nose dive and will continue to do as long as we don’t shift our focus on commerce.
@@greenhopper29we are not in the same situation as five eyes or China, the former are the countries where bulk of our diaspora lives and people still aspire to travel, work & trade with and the later (China) is the manufacturing hub for the world. The power equation is not in our favor still. It’s a premature move, the world outside doesn’t care if we have self certified ourselves as vishwaguru!
@@samarthpandey683 You do have a point but India is the bulwark against China for maintaining the very Western supremacy that Canada is currently enjoying.
The mistakes of Indira Gandhi in foreign affairs is being repeated now by the present dispensation in India and mistake this time is very serious. And who will have to pay heavy price for this? We Indians, nobody else. When illiterates become rulers and at the helm of Indian governance things will become very serious in the coming days and months and years to come.
@@nermaipaathai8867 nobody in this world is dumb as much as you say. If India did it, they thought out all the possibilities and still proceeded to go with it. There must be a reason..
Since you seem to be so sure about how to run foreign policy of our nation , I believe you should contest elections and take over as FM or PM and lead the country. Our political leaders since Indira Gandhi , according to you have been morons. Please salvage the country asap. The nation will back you !!!
Mr Sibbal I appreciate ur standing for country and not taking stand against ruling party on this national issue. Would love to see more of these, specifically on issues of high national importance.
PM care fund audit, CJI inviting PM for Puja, people languishing in jails for years without trails and many other issues, don't have national importance to it... only defying the other countries sovereignty 😂😂😂😂😂..... We slipped further in Global hunger index because people like you don't care about the people and at the same time become patriotic when it comes to your ideology....
We have to take a wise and strong step in our international policy. I have listent the speech of manish tiwari in Parliament while 7 navy ofticers are kept in solitary confinement and sentenced to jail. When any problems arises on our nation aĺways have to be kept one thing in mind, "we are the indian first ane last"
Are you conforming india carried out any such operation in foreign land ? Look international politics is lot about check and balance. That's what is in progress. America probably wants another ally like Ukraine in south east asia against their strong adversary china . These developments are nothing but a tactic to bring india under control. So let's stop barking at the wrong tree for every cloud has a silver lining .
Apart from what has been highlighted in the above comments...Tell me what about many of our scientists who died mysteriously in past especially when India was trying hard enough to develop its Nuclear bomb, who do you think would've done that... Don't think that no-one has ever done against India the fact is that they have done against us again & again & again
Foreign countries did it in last 70 years, India haven't even started yet. There should be 1 million mercenaries from India around the world. That's how power projection is done.
It's nice to see that we all stand together. One comment, though: We have to be seen as a country with zero tolerance for any harm we may perceive to our country. Being perceived as a democracy is secondary.
The US, is even.more predatory, in the India Canda, matter. As usual the US, preys on anyone by pushing them on the 'back foot' in order to negotiate better terms at the table. With India the US has many sticking points. 1) India's insistent demand for a place at the UN security council, rankles its hegemony. 2) India not signing nuclear non proliferation treaties, 3) A major grouse. India not buying enough of America weapons. The US defense manufacturers, are pushing for a 'hard line' against India, till it relents. The S300 anti missile deal with Russia hurt.They wanted to sell Thad. Ditto for the French Raphael fighter deal. The US hoped to sell second line American fighters, for profit. 4) Advantagous trade tarrifs and free access to Indian markets. 5) Indias oil purchases from Russia rankles, as also its continued defence collaboration with her. . 6) and lastly our anti conversion laws, that prevent American evangalists and missionaries accessing our poor in India's hinterlands. The Americans therefore jumped at the opportunity, and sided with Canada. Their own investigation of a similar nature is also a tool to turn the screws on India for all, or any of, the above reasons. They give a 'fig' for the person in question. So, in all this charde, India should just keep its wits about it and ride out the storm, like it always has, wisely. Say little, while continuing to do what's advantageous for its people, and remain uncompromising on its enemies, both foreign and domestic. Best Wishes India 🇮🇳. ❤❤
yea, all that & more... ....& the one thing that perhaps rankles the US currently more than anything is India throwing it's weight behind the rising BRICS and the threat it poses to it to the world order the US fashioned along with its lackeys post ww2 as a side note, it must be said that India did not handle the alleged operations in US/ Canada properly ... one more reason not to have "know-it-all" IPS walas running/infesting the intelligence agencies (like most other agencies), instead of suitable/thorough professionals
I agree with most of what yo have said but, India put themselves in this position. They killed Nijjar so Modi and the BJP can say they are tough and can reach anyone in the world. Unfortunately, its all about voter politics and elections. Killing someone for their beliefs when there isn't even a problem in the Punjab. You start pushing the Sikh around, you may have incited a problem.
@@jackbal7623 Where is the evidence they killed Nijjar??? The Sikhs fight among themselves in Canada. They are involved in all sorts of criminal activities.
@@ddb0831 In Canada, unlike India, evidence is not shared in public because it can't be used in court. Read the US indictment, the Indian agent sent a video of Nijjar death 1 hr after he was killed to Gupta. Its a direct link to the Indian agent and his employer the Indian Government. Trolls like you never quote any facts.
Gone are the days when we stood on a high moral ground And the world listened to what we had to say Today we pay professionals to lie through their teeth And hope all misunderstandings will go away Our Courts too at times are berefit of logic Seek divine intervention or will procrastinate The act of passing the buck is always there To punish Innocent Ma Sita, even our Lord will not hesitate
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Makes we wonder why Sri Ram did not stand on high moral ground and Preach to Ravan. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Maybe Arjuna should have stood on that high moral ground and preached to Duryodhan 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Clearly even Krishan (GOD) was wrong, only gandhi was "right"😂😂😂😂.
@odomangulati7079 As long as our idols are cowards Lies and deceptions we will learn But that won't last for long in a democratic World All kinds of Manuwad we must shun We are neither enterprising nor good in innovating The best only when emigrate are recognised Back home we follow two faced leaders Who can only on a divide and rule policy thrive
Jasmeet Singh NDP got 17.8 % of the popular vote when Sikhs number only 2% of the population out of them 10% may be supporters of Khalistan. You can not call a political party which got only 4% less votes than Congress as a fringe party. The opposition conservatives have also supported Trudeau they canceled the Diwali festivities to which Sikh Gurudawara’s have also protested as even Sikhs celebrate Diwali
Went to canada as an international student and now working to become a resident in canada, India seems to be abandoning students and NRIs living in Canada. What a bad luck to have government parties who only polarize and divide.
Embarrassment? No. We are proud and this message should go to all who are planing against India. Does USA or any powerfull contry feel embarrassment when they kill enemies? then why we should be embarrassed.
The only reason India allies with the west n Americans is because of the massive number of NRIs. If you had more NRIs in Russia, the scene would be completely different. These diplomats just know how to talk smooth.
This government has respected Sikhs respectfully, you want let’s start a thread on this in this action, back our claims with proof and let’s see who wins
Hehe.. majority of Sikhs live in Punjab. They elected congress and now AAP government. But Indian government dint treat them respectfully?😅 Now see what happens.. hmm.. have seen what happened in Afghanistan and Pakistan.😂
The Senior diplomat was not named in the original correspondence with the Washington Post. A reporter called back and asked by name if the senior diplomat was implicated.
Hindutva and Hinduism are not same, because Hindutva is based on ideology of 'Hindavi Swaraj' of Chatrapati Shivaji which includes Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism too just like Zionism includes Christianity too. ❤❤Love For HINDUTVA❤❤
It seems like Ms Mukherji is overtaken by emotions than intelligence! It is painful and unfortunate to see such a highly esteemed diplomat of India who held so many important positions representing us...!
Khalistani case is simple. How could British hand over Punjab to Brahmins when they took over Punjab from Sikhs in 1849? Punjab was a sovereign state when British took over.
The English didn't take over Punjab. The Sikhs were defeated and Punjab was annexed. It then became part of Britain's Indian Empire and consequently a part of India.
@@udayabose2357I on other hand can understand what extremists fears it's bjp and it hindurashtra majority politics it's devastating for our country if one suddenly government of India starts to favour hindu and declare india as hindurashtra whats place of other minority hold second or third class citizen in one or two states election it sounds cool but for national sense it's idiotic india is not a country it's sub continent held together by constitution and it's core values Bjp assault on core value will some day show cheap politics will harm aur nation
@@udayabose2357 The Punjab government of the times did pay the '' War Penalty'' levied on but the treaty for the stay of a British Regiment for five years in the Sikh Kingdom was flouted by the British government and as a result of it the minor Maharaja Dalip Singh and his mother were exiled and taken to England.That was a sheer betrayal by the British government . That annexation was immoral and very wrong !
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This was a good balanced discussion Mr Sibal- thank god was not a mouthpiece of BBC. Mr Sibal you should be conducting more such discussions rather than often your one sided anti government blasts.
Do Indians who had settled and choose to settle in future in the west believe that there would have been any inner transformation in the mindset that had kicked Mahatma Gandhi with his luggage out of the train?
you all missed the prospective of Sikh severity and were wearing thick lenses. and a joke of this movement is - India is a Democracy and respects its monority.
There were 3 men and a woman on this panel, but it was the lady who had the guts and gumption to call out the spade…. She had the proverbial ‘b*lls’ to take it on 👏🏻
There is a say in Hindi - चौबे जी छब्बीस जी बनने गए थे, दूबे जी बन गए । Exactly this is so with Modi govt. it has no comprehension about its own strength and position in the present world . Modi has been a clown in foreign policy who unnecessarily falls upon the leaders of powerful countries with an intention to just please them.
The issues with the USA and Canada have not been handled professionally by our agencies. The Khalistani cannot do any harm to our country whatsoever they think about themselves. India is well prepared and protected from any foreign enemies.
Because in those countries any one can advocate for their beliefs as long as it’s done peacefully, in Canada for example a national party of Quebec known as bloc québécois want Quebec to be a French nation and seperated from Canada and have your ever heard Canada calling them terrorists where as the mps of that party sit with Trudeau and others in the house of commons. I guess that’s what a real democracy looks like.
@@gaganb1159Did they get a partition? The slave states are part of the union. Trump is getting shot at Pannu is making bomb threats,yeah so democratic. Now the election Looks like absolute madness.
Hold accountable for all this to two thugs Modi and Shah..Just talking about saving India by all these is one thing..funny thing is ..none is talking about rogue PM and Tihadi HM and their wrong doing...They got caught and now have consequences...
Indirectly the experts Are accepting the charges against India and its criminal activities overseas because one mistake does not justify other mistake. If India 🇮🇳has objections against what US ir Canada did should have raised then and there. But India has lost so many opportunities for reasons hitherto unknown and can't use now because caught red handed and should also find out better diplomatic method to douse the fire.
Our diplomacy is in shambles right now. Neighbours like Pakistan and China were always inimical to us. But the smaller, friendly countries in the region too have become so now. And a career diplomat is in charge of the affairs now!
Trade between Indian and Canada is about even at $4 billion each. Neither country will be in trouble if trade reduces. The Diplomatic row may be settled eventually, but FTA is probably dead. Canada is reducing immigration numbers. Cap on student Visas, will impact Indians the most as they are the largest foreign student group in Canada.
Just because west did it unabashedly doesn’t mean India should do it too. India should do it when it’s prepared. Looks like this time they weren’t prepared if at all this whole episode IS true. Until Canadians give proof we should hold our ground, if and when any evidence is shown, think how the situation can be salvaged without getting egg on our face. To bring up the point that West did it so we should also be allowed is not the right point to make. Not now atleast. Case at hand isn’t that. Had you raised the point before this episode happened it can be debated. Case at hand is not about Double Standards. Case is a crime has been committed and we are being blamed for it.
Sibbal is often trolled for being not nationalist enough--so, he can't afford to lose this opportunity of a "safe" topic. Sibbal forgot to mention that Ms Bhaswati Mukherjee recently joined the BJP. The US and India need each other against China, so the US issue will be swept under the carpet. So, will the Canadian matter, but will take longer. Tewari is of course a Congress MP whose father was unfortunately murdered by terrorists.
She is not here representing BJP but as an expert. There is no dispute with regard to her competence in the subject matter being discussed. Stop bringing politics into national security issues. Be it left or right , Indian security concerns should be same for both unless you are too petty or you don’t care about it.
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@@nil6226 Dear nil-IQ, you have misunderstood. Sibbal remarked during the introductions that Ms BM should have joined politics, etc. He could have surely then mentioned that she has eventually done so (being an NCR-politician, the news of her joining the BJP (along with many former top bureaucrats and army officer) would not have escaped him. In any event, the discussion is very superficial without any depth and nuances.
I understand that Sikhs relied upon Nehru and Gandhi’ assurances for their security and safeguarding of interests but soon after 1947 Sikhs declared criminals by Indian state then continue to suppress their core interests and further divisions of Punjab… Sikhs continued to rise despite Indian depression. However 1984 Sikh genocide was turning point that changed the perspective of Sikhs about Indians, Indian state and relationships with Indian state… …..,,,,,
Indian state has apologised for the 1984. Trials are going on. Some people here and there are still out, some imprisoned who are yet to be released, and that’s it. Happens everywhere. Punjab is equally powerful as other states of India. No one is dragging innocent people out of the buses, and killing them, nor any temple of anykind has been militarised at the moment. So they need to tone down this historical oppression olympics and chill out.
These are false claims of your government. Why your government does not provide evidence of India's alleged involvement ? Why your government gives shelter and support to proclaimed assassins, drug mafias, plane hijackers and illicit arms dealers from India ?
I guess Sibil sab has forgotten that SASHI THAROOR is still in the Congress, who is as much as or much more prolific in matters of international relations and literature!
I remember of a statement made of assassinations arranged through aid of intelligence agencies failing in attempts now & then was the dictum of obeying the so designated Eleventh Commandment , which was “Thou shall not get Caught “!
I am really surprised at what Mr Manish Tiwari is suggesting , to ignore those fringe elements in Canada. The problem is when people like Pannun is openly threatening Indian diaspora living there, there are open threats to blow an Air India plane,open threats of physical harm to Indian embassy officials. How can any self respecting Nation tolerate such nonsense.😊😊
Just 2 issues; 1st they could have avoided lady in discussion and enjoyed their chat, 2nd they could had bottle of beer and instead of cup and continue to scold India because of their inferiority complex 😅
Kapil Sibal was all gung-ho about the potential embarrassment india government could face but Bhasmati Ji just tear through Sibal in the very first comment. Mr Kapil what is the embarrassment in it? United States destroyed the entire country of Iraq saying they have weapons of mass destruction, and there was no embarrassment to them then why are we worried about embarrassment, in fact it’s good that they’re accusing India because now they will understand that this bullshit cannot go on. And India can also take action if needed. When United States can provide century to Pannu who just recently and openly threatened people not to travel in Air India hinting to a bomb the aircraft, that is the cause of embarrassment which United States should feel not what if try to stop it.
The panel presented an interesting and balanced argument. I think the current situation in America with the indictments is closely linked to what happened with the killing of Mr Nijjar. This situation reminds me of the killing of Jamal Khahoggi by the Saudis. Though it was clear who carried out what could only be deemed as an extra judicial killing in a foreign country. However, in that case it was scrubbed under the rug due to the strong bilateral relationship between the Saudis and the Americans. That relationship is not built on love but on pure economic and strategic pillars. Does India have that sort of relationship with America? It is only America who can diffuse this situation by speaking with the Canadians. One can only assume they have chosen not to do this at the moment. This has dragged on due to in part I believe the Americans making it clear to the Indians that they do not like India to be pandering to Russia. I think it has many layers and will eventually sort itself out but India definitely needs to carry out any such covert operations with a lot more professionalism otherwise these are the consequences and fall out. Unfortunately many factors have conspired to create this situation.
Panel discussion is too intellectual indulgence (in whataboutery rather than addressing the issue directly) for common men to grasp ! The matter is as simple as the one that there is an accusation by Canada or USA and the role of India should have been to express its willingness to co-operate with an impartial independent investigation and trial processes , may be , at ICJ (International Court of justice).
With useless foreign experts like this, hence Indian diplomacy has always been in doldrums. US Europe do the same against hostile nations. Not their friends. Canada does not need India as considered India friendly nation, so why they harm relations? India needs Canada, ask visa appliers. These people aren't giving good feedback to Indian viewers that's why no good strategy develops. Politician was only ine making decent points
To bring a relationship back on track, the trust must be restored. The trust could be restored if Shah, Doval, and Yadav be extradited to the US and Canada. If their justice system not found them guilty, they could return. Otherwise, they should complete their prison sentences before returning to India. This will prove to the whole world that India has a rule of law.
The whole discussion has been conducted very diplomatically, obviously because of senior diplomats sitting there. But, but the core question has been avoided and its repercussions. The name of Indian Home Minister, the name of our nsa is in the judiciary documents. The discussion has disappointed to that extent.
And they have met them 5 times and provided evidence of involvement not the allegations. Canada wouldn’t want to lose a big business , they are just looking for their countries security nothing else.
You are talking about double standards, but the ground reality is that there are multiple standards that the powerful West has formulated for the rest of the world.As India emerges as a country having the clout to counter the western hegemony, it is up against the monster in its ugliest form.
Its not Canada alone. The US has also caught Nikhil Gupta red handed trying to target US citizen on US soil, which the US considers an actual attack on its sovereignty. They got Nikhil Gupta extradited from Czech republic and now he is in US jail. The US has also accused Indian government of being behind this, and US FBI has issued arrest warrants against Indian government official Vikas Yadav, whom the Indian government has declared as extortionist criminal.
US has got no right to talk about sovereignty. US itself has not respected territorial integrity of other nations. There are tons of examples. And you know what, you can actually check on Google that this Nikhil was arrested in Czech Republic in around Jan-March period, while US extradited him later after Trudeau made his infamous accusations. Why did the US wait so long , to extradite someone who is allegedly criminal for US, from a fellow democracy and a US ally ? And why did the matter kind of again boiled up after PM of India's visit to 2024 BRICKS summit in Russia was almost confirmed. Rules of international sovereignty shouldn't apply to few nations. There's an interesting article published in Financial Times that somewhat is titled like " India has joined exclusive club of Assassin States" . Now who are the other Assassin States, apparently no matter how dangerous are Iran and North Korea, they don't have this kind of capacity. The other Assassin States are, Russia, Israel, China, and the US itself. These are tactics of governments. One way you can also read it as, if India's attendance at Russia summit was confirmed, Washington had prepared pressure from the other side. And you need to defend your own country at some positions no matter what, US and Canada has got no right to divide India on the name of religion, no matter how dirty the politics is in India. What if India starts giving refuge to people who are known threats to Canada and the US ? And why is that, as China's rise and America's decline is almost written, the world is going to wars, be it Israel Gaza Lebanon, Russia Ukraine, possible Armenia Azerbaijan, and China Taiwan ?
To accept that USA is more powerful and therefore India should allow itself be bullied or toe the line of USA is not acceptable. That apart, USA does not accept or has failed in persuading India to not to have association with Russia, it is now trying to to twist or pressurise India to dissociate itself with Russia. USA is trying its best to have its influence over India and that should be acceptable to India, is the crux of this situation.
Its time to send some strong signals to US. May be the first step could be to pull back some of our staff stationed at Indian Missions in US and then ask US to trim some staff stationed at their missions in India.
The only other instance of great diplomatic upheaval between India and US in not too distant past was Devyani Khobragad. This too will die down its natural death . Sit back and relax. Let the media play it out and Indians enjoy the debates.
I thought Kapil Sibbal is wise person , He is comparing US action in Afghanistan , Pak and Iran, with India's botched up operation in USA and Canada with the help of low-level gangs. You cannot compare the two and How would you feel if USA starts doing operation against individuals in India
Politics is polarized everywhere, but nowhere do politicians sell their country for internal political advantage as Indians do! When it comes to international affairs, Indians need to set party affiliations and all differences aside, identify themselves as Indians first and last, and stand together.
I strongly agree with you sir❤
When we have media and lawyers like these … sadly enough of us are awake and will not bow to their appeasement … sale of soul … drip by drip …
No they are identified as Nationalist or anti nationalists, and not Indians any more..
Akash Banerjee must be crying seeing that Congress, BJP and other parties are united against his western saar😢
Depth of involvement the Western Intelligence agencies in this
Business with Terrorism - Are Western Intelligence Services Financing The JIHAD?
ruclips.net/video/q39sHhdMUnU/видео.htmlsi=ukQdE7mn5oxYAQtK
Why is this not running in a loop in any and all of their channels and outlets???
The difference is Congress is coward. Also too much idealistic linieng towards Western Liberals like Truedo & Kamala aunty like Catholics.
Mrs Mukhrjee made strong points west has serious double standards and has a lot of blood in its hands.
As if Hindu Indian state is very clean lol!
Hindu strongly believe that Sikhi is shining part of Sanatan.@@gurjotsingh8934
As a sikh myself, i am siding with Govt of India in this matter. No matter what. Khalistan is not what sikh religion is about. Same like Hindutva isn't Hinduism. 😅
I agree 💯! We also need to uproot religion and caste from Indian politics. Make it about upward mobility and economic opportunity. The world is headed into a very challenging period. As a country we need to become a truly modern federal state, with laws that govern all citizens equally and protect them equally
Hindutva and Hinduism are not same, because Hindutva is based on ideology of 'Hindavi Swaraj' of Chatrapati Shivaji which includes Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism too just like Zionism includes Christianity too.
❤❤Love For HINDUTVA❤❤
You side with the endian government that is the fascist hendutva and rss ,that's kind of contradictory ,Punjab belongs to Punjabi people regardless of their religion not to endia and the same goes for all the states of endia ,they have been put together by the force of arms and today are kept together by the force of arms ,only brothers can get united ,Punjabi are brothers with Punjabi from Pakistan (another invented country that has never existed like endia before 1947) West Bengali are brothers with the Bangladeshi people not with the savage marathi or gujarati or any other nations of endia,endia is a collection of well define nations that should be independent from endia ...
You are conflicting yourself
Current Indian government is Pro Hindutva
@@malianwongwhy chinese name instead of Pakistani?
The double standards and hypocrisy of the West are undeniably apparent in this situation. Jai Hind
Saar jai hind
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Such discussions were a norm in India 20-25 yrs ago. In our school days parents would encourage to watch national TV debates, as their was lot worth learning from such debates.Sadly, the level of debates has drastically gone down. The likes of Kapil Sibal and learned people in this debate are becoming rare.
20 to 25 years back my parents encourages to read newspaper..spl editorial in my case
A good discussion.
- Madam Bhasmati is off the mark, when she says Trudeau is partnering with Sikh secessionists in Canada. He may be part of the politics of votes. She was rightly corrected by Manish Tiwari.
- Reliability of our intelligence agencies of doing a thing and not getting caught is under question.
- Balakot was a reaction to the Pulwama attack. Doubts are at galore when details of this attack have not been brought to the public, this raised eyebrows not only nationally but also in international fora.
- Probably domestic politics is playing heavily in the minds of both India and Canada.
- Answers need to be given by the Modi government, he is responsible and accountable for the reputation of HM, which as it is tarnished from day one.
CIA spy got capital punishment in Congo, did it tarnished the reputation of HM of America?
With due respect to the panelists, as a Canadian citizen staying in Canada since 2015, there was no Khalistan or Hindu Sikh divide. It's only after 2015 that Indian government policy to divide hindu and Sikh communities and move ahead with its hindu rashtrs agenda has brought back separatists elements to the fore. After all how can you talk about Hindu rashtra and not expect any retaliation in a country that has so many religions and faiths? And Mr. Tiwari forgets an MP with separatist ideology in parliament who was recently elected in Punjab and is still lodged in jail. Moreover the lady says she as a diplomat used all means to extract intelligence. Does she mean embassies where she served were involved in drive-by shootings and extortions on businesses to make them participants in clandestine ops? This is what has happened in Canada were Canadian diplomats have been involved in threatening local communities to spy on separatist elements and have been coerced to gather information in lieu of consular services such as issuing visas and OCI cards. Hindu and Sikh businesses were threatened to fall in line or face consequences and many have come forward and complained to Canadian intelligence. Diplomats have been caught with their pants down and now there is evidence, not intelligence, which will be produced in Canadian courts when more will come to light. But the current Indian regime is not one that believes in diplomacy and wants to shove things down other countries through all means that look where we have landed in. PM Trudeau only did what he did not for winning elections but to put this to a stop since there was no cooperation from India even after meeting multiple times.
Then boycott khalistani 😂
My question is, if someone has given up Indian Citizenship and adopted nationality if another country, then that person looses the right to interfere in Indian politics. You can not be a citizen of canada and talk of dismemberment of India by force, if need be.
Great , discuss Sikhs without Sikhs in the panel
What is so special about Sikhs? Muscular quom is it? You Khalistanis had your day out in the sun. It ends now.
They are discussing state sponsored secessionist plans by Canada against India.
They are discussing those Ks.
So, now all Sikhs are Khalistanis? Is this what you are saying?
Sikha have respect and prosperity in India. Hindu give respect because they are descendents of our great Gurus. Bharat Ma loves the youngest children the most, even then they want to hold her neck.
If one part is separated,there will be thousand parts which no government can see.
Khalistan movement is getting influenced by the success of Hindutva movement in India. Mixing religion and politics...very well organised.
@@treseena US and Canada definitely harbor Sikh radicals. No doubt in that. I am a Sikh saying this.
Totally untrue. I live in canada and know JT Liberals and establishment is in bed with khalistanis.
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Absolutely 💯
Arre it is not started now the 80s itself. Hindutva is to unite Hindus to save themselves from jihadis and evangelists not against any one. Hindus ever retaliated for the attacks muslims made if only since independence considered they are not doing these and country might not have seen religious killings like Gujarat never saw almost again after 2002 except sporadic incidents. Pakistan support gives them that deadly power.
Good conversation. Good brains. All valid points.. no politics 🙏🙏
When Mr Sibal said there were around 770,000 Sikhs in Canada , he might be referring to Sikh separatists. Otherwise the Sikh population in Canada, taking into account both citizens and non-citizens, is well over 2million by all measures. Now, that’s true that only Canadian citizens above the age of 19 years would vote that significantly reduce the Sikh vote to may be around 2%. Sikh voters could make some impact in provinces of British Columbia, Alberta and Vancouver but that’s pretty much it.
Are about 2 crores Indian migrated in the minority nations in the world with capital, skilled, brain, labour etc?????? Is it good for the nation??????
Lesson for all - do not support Khalistani movement sitting in Canada
lady madm is BRAVE like a indira Gandhi ji | madam jai ho for your brave talks and truth speaking
There is no denying the fact that the course of our foreign diplomacy has taken an unsavoury and distasteful turn, of late. We have fallen headlong from the amazing altitude of global admiration and recognition of India as a moral leader . The sordid turn of events concerning Canada and India is bound to have an adverse impact in our relations with our neighbours as well as other countries. It is likely to create an atmosphere of increasing distrust and suspicion. The air must be cleared with utmost urgency otherwise our enemies will exploit it to their gains.
India at some point would have taken such a stand like most countries do when they become more assertive and powerful. It is a natural evolution of asserting sovereignty when other nations challenge it. The five eyes continue to do it, the Chinese do it, the Israelis do it to name a few.
Irrespective of this spat with Canadians, India’s relation with South Asian neighbours has taken a nose dive and will continue to do as long as we don’t shift our focus on commerce.
@@greenhopper29we are not in the same situation as five eyes or China, the former are the countries where bulk of our diaspora lives and people still aspire to travel, work & trade with and the later (China) is the manufacturing hub for the world. The power equation is not in our favor still. It’s a premature move, the world outside doesn’t care if we have self certified ourselves as vishwaguru!
@@samarthpandey683 You do have a point but India is the bulwark against China for maintaining the very Western supremacy that Canada is currently enjoying.
@@samarthpandey683 U have no idea kid. India is in kingmakers position. Brics vs 5 eyes. So power dynamics is in Indias favour.
The mistakes of Indira Gandhi in foreign affairs is being repeated now by the present dispensation in India and mistake this time is very serious. And who will have to pay heavy price for this? We Indians, nobody else. When illiterates become rulers and at the helm of Indian governance things will become very serious in the coming days and months and years to come.
@@nermaipaathai8867 nobody in this world is dumb as much as you say. If India did it, they thought out all the possibilities and still proceeded to go with it. There must be a reason..
India must take string steps and do not worry what anti India lobby is saying. Khalisatnis are supported by canada.
@@poorchef1895these fringe elements sitting in Canada or the USA don't have any influence on the general public of Punjab.
Since you seem to be so sure about how to run foreign policy of our nation , I believe you should contest elections and take over as FM or PM and lead the country. Our political leaders since Indira Gandhi , according to you have been morons. Please salvage the country asap. The nation will back you !!!
You are acting naive , it's not good . Not at all
Does not matter who is involved dear Sibal. You all should be happy with what is being done 🎉
Mr Sibbal I appreciate ur standing for country and not taking stand against ruling party on this national issue. Would love to see more of these, specifically on issues of high national importance.
PM care fund audit, CJI inviting PM for Puja, people languishing in jails for years without trails and many other issues, don't have national importance to it... only defying the other countries sovereignty 😂😂😂😂😂.....
We slipped further in Global hunger index because people like you don't care about the people and at the same time become patriotic when it comes to your ideology....
We have to take a wise and strong step in our international policy. I have listent the speech of manish tiwari in Parliament while 7 navy ofticers are kept in solitary confinement and sentenced to jail. When any problems arises on our nation aĺways have to be kept one thing in mind, "we are the indian first ane last"
How would India feel if foreign countries do such operations in India? Will India react? Thonk about that.
Are you conforming india carried out any such operation in foreign land ? Look international politics is lot about check and balance. That's what is in progress. America probably wants another ally like Ukraine in south east asia against their strong adversary china . These developments are nothing but a tactic to bring india under control. So let's stop barking at the wrong tree for every cloud has a silver lining .
Foreign countries have been doing it for years. India has never dared to question them.
Foreign countries did it many, how you think sastri, indra gandhi, rajiv gandhi, and many nore leaders died?
Apart from what has been highlighted in the above comments...Tell me what about many of our scientists who died mysteriously in past especially when India was trying hard enough to develop its Nuclear bomb, who do you think would've done that...
Don't think that no-one has ever done against India the fact is that they have done against us again & again & again
Foreign countries did it in last 70 years, India haven't even started yet. There should be 1 million mercenaries from India around the world. That's how power projection is done.
It's nice to see that we all stand together. One comment, though: We have to be seen as a country with zero tolerance for any harm we may perceive to our country. Being perceived as a democracy is secondary.
This was one of the best analysis of the Indo-Canadian row.
Nice, show, keep it up, very balanced and factual. Indian politics is maturing, good job guys
love this lady
The US, is even.more predatory, in the India Canda, matter. As usual the US, preys on anyone by pushing them on the 'back foot' in order to negotiate better terms at the table.
With India the US has many sticking points.
1) India's insistent demand for a place at the UN security council, rankles its hegemony.
2) India not signing nuclear non proliferation treaties,
3) A major grouse. India not buying enough of America weapons. The US defense manufacturers, are pushing for a 'hard line' against India, till it relents. The S300 anti missile deal with Russia hurt.They wanted to sell Thad. Ditto for the French Raphael fighter deal. The US hoped to sell second line American fighters, for profit.
4) Advantagous trade tarrifs and free access to Indian markets.
5) Indias oil purchases from Russia rankles, as also its continued defence collaboration with her.
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6) and lastly our anti conversion laws, that prevent American evangalists and missionaries accessing our poor in India's hinterlands.
The Americans therefore jumped at the opportunity, and sided with Canada. Their own investigation of a similar nature is also a tool to turn the screws on India for all, or any of, the above reasons. They give a 'fig' for the person in question.
So, in all this charde, India should just keep its wits about it and ride out the storm, like it always has, wisely. Say little, while continuing to do what's advantageous for its people, and remain uncompromising on its enemies, both foreign and domestic. Best Wishes India 🇮🇳. ❤❤
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yea, all that & more...
....& the one thing that perhaps rankles the US currently more than anything is India throwing it's weight behind the rising BRICS and the threat it poses to it to the world order the US fashioned along with its lackeys post ww2
as a side note, it must be said that India did not handle the alleged operations in US/ Canada properly ... one more reason not to have "know-it-all" IPS walas running/infesting the intelligence agencies (like most other agencies), instead of suitable/thorough professionals
I agree with most of what yo have said but, India put themselves in this position. They killed Nijjar so Modi and the BJP can say they are tough and can reach anyone in the world. Unfortunately, its all about voter politics and elections. Killing someone for their beliefs when there isn't even a problem in the Punjab. You start pushing the Sikh around, you may have incited a problem.
@@jackbal7623 Where is the evidence they killed Nijjar???
The Sikhs fight among themselves in Canada. They are involved in all sorts of criminal activities.
@@ddb0831 In Canada, unlike India, evidence is not shared in public because it can't be used in court. Read the US indictment, the Indian agent sent a video of Nijjar death 1 hr after he was killed to Gupta. Its a direct link to the Indian agent and his employer the Indian Government. Trolls like you never quote any facts.
It was a much needed information for general public.
lol. What information ? They just repeated whatever the canadian media is saying.
Very eloquently analysed forthcoming impact of relationship between Canada and India
Gone are the days when we stood on a high moral ground
And the world listened to what we had to say
Today we pay professionals to lie through their teeth
And hope all misunderstandings will go away
Our Courts too at times are berefit of logic
Seek divine intervention or will procrastinate
The act of passing the buck is always there
To punish Innocent Ma Sita, even our Lord will not hesitate
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Makes we wonder why Sri Ram did not stand on high moral ground and Preach to Ravan. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Maybe Arjuna should have stood on that high moral ground and preached to Duryodhan 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Clearly even Krishan (GOD) was wrong, only gandhi was "right"😂😂😂😂.
@odomangulati7079
As long as our idols are cowards
Lies and deceptions we will learn
But that won't last for long in a democratic World
All kinds of Manuwad we must shun
We are neither enterprising nor good in innovating
The best only when emigrate are recognised
Back home we follow two faced leaders
Who can only on a divide and rule policy thrive
All the Hindu debaters and they talking about Sikh canada issues. Great. That’s by all so called these vloggers. Are taught by same majority ideology.
Jasmeet Singh NDP got 17.8 % of the popular vote when Sikhs number only 2% of the population out of them 10% may be supporters of Khalistan. You can not call a political party which got only 4% less votes than Congress as a fringe party.
The opposition conservatives have also supported Trudeau they canceled the Diwali festivities to which Sikh Gurudawara’s have also protested as even Sikhs celebrate Diwali
balanced view ever emanated from a channel like the wire, its other reporters and management should take note of
Went to canada as an international student and now working to become a resident in canada, India seems to be abandoning students and NRIs living in Canada. What a bad luck to have government parties who only polarize and divide.
Embarrassment? No. We are proud and this message should go to all who are planing against India. Does USA or any powerfull contry feel embarrassment when they kill enemies? then why we should be embarrassed.
Who's "we"?
@okeng71487 Bhartiya (We)
@@KrishanVermaJi YES
The only reason India allies with the west n Americans is because of the massive number of NRIs. If you had more NRIs in Russia, the scene would be completely different. These diplomats just know how to talk smooth.
NRIs r there bcs of globalization & MNCs. Also America buys valuable immigrants from all over the world for its own economic growth.
Highly impressed with the lady Ambassador - can’t understand Mr Kapil’s stand???
Will watch this only for Ms. Bhaswati Mukherjee.
If indian government had treated Sikhs respectfully and equally, this would not had happened. Now you will see what happens
oh really
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This government has respected Sikhs respectfully, you want let’s start a thread on this in this action, back our claims with proof and let’s see who wins
Hehe.. majority of Sikhs live in Punjab. They elected congress and now AAP government. But Indian government dint treat them respectfully?😅
Now see what happens.. hmm.. have seen what happened in Afghanistan and Pakistan.😂
मूह mai लेले...दिवाली की मिठाई! हैप्पी दिवाली ओये
The Senior diplomat was not named in the original correspondence with the Washington Post. A reporter called back and asked by name if the senior diplomat was implicated.
Now these gentlemen and this woman have new found love above Indian democracy, accountability and parliamentary oversight over the Indian agencies 😸😸😸
If Nikhil Gupta Starts to Sing that could be a problem
Kapil Sibbal is the lawyer that India’s enemies appoint …
These three men are behaving like the Americans and not Indians
Scratch out Sikhism ... for this Aim .. RSS , Congress , BJP are on 1 Page ... What a Unity .. Ohhhhh what a Hindu Pain .... 🤔🤔
Scratch khalistan?
Why should we scratch out Sikhism..all Sikhs are jatt/ khatri hindu converts...why should we scratch it...
Hindutva and Hinduism are not same, because Hindutva is based on ideology of 'Hindavi Swaraj' of Chatrapati Shivaji which includes Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism too just like Zionism includes Christianity too.
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@@nilotpalbera1010they’re same. Same sanghis used to vote for congress in 80s 90s. Jan sangh aka BJP never got more than 20 seats
@@abeeshsundaran Are you asking as RSS , BJP or Congress Member ?🤔🤔
It seems like Ms Mukherji is overtaken by emotions than intelligence! It is painful and unfortunate to see such a highly esteemed diplomat of India who held so many important positions representing us...!
Khalistani case is simple.
How could British hand over Punjab to Brahmins when they took over Punjab from Sikhs in 1849?
Punjab was a sovereign state when British took over.
The English didn't take over Punjab. The Sikhs were defeated and Punjab was annexed. It then became part of Britain's Indian Empire and consequently a part of India.
@@udayabose2357I on other hand can understand what extremists fears it's bjp and it hindurashtra majority politics it's devastating for our country if one suddenly government of India starts to favour hindu and declare india as hindurashtra whats place of other minority hold second or third class citizen in one or two states election it sounds cool but for national sense it's idiotic india is not a country it's sub continent held together by constitution and it's core values
Bjp assault on core value will some day show cheap politics will harm aur nation
@@udayabose2357 The Punjab government of the times did pay the '' War Penalty'' levied on but the treaty for the stay of a British Regiment for five years in the Sikh Kingdom was flouted by the British government and as a result of it the minor Maharaja Dalip Singh and his mother were exiled and taken to England.That was a sheer betrayal by the British government . That annexation was immoral and very wrong !
@@amarjitpannu9357 thing happened in past can not be changed but future of India is more important
@@deshrajdabhade7537😂 KYO HINDU OR INDIA SAME H
YAHA BAT NI HOGI HINDUO KI TO KYA ARABS M HOGI Y HAMSRA DESH H PEHLE BHI ASI RAJ KITA EDER CHAYE SOUTH HO YA NORTH MAURYAM GUPTA CHOLA ALL ARE HINDUS
JAB MUGHAL BHI THE TAB BHI HAM LADE H AND AFTER THAT MARATAH EMPIRE N RAJ KIYA 80% HINDUSTAN MARATHYA K CONTROL M THA EVEN PUNJAB
AND SIKHI SEE PEHLE S REH RHAE H PUNJAB M SAMJE
Hinduo S SIKH H SIKHI SE HAM NAHI INKA DHARM NHI BRITISHERS N BANAYA IS SE PHELE BRITSIH CENCUS M HINDU LIKHABTE THE Y
Justice will be served
Is Israel debt ₹$ 33600 crores effected in the Canada/USA ?????
This was a good balanced discussion Mr Sibal- thank god was not a mouthpiece of BBC.
Mr Sibal you should be conducting more such discussions rather than often your one sided anti government blasts.
Do Indians who had settled and choose to settle in future in the west believe that there would have been any inner transformation in the mindset that had kicked Mahatma Gandhi with his luggage out of the train?
you all missed the prospective of Sikh severity and were wearing thick lenses.
and a joke of this movement is - India is a Democracy and respects its monority.
There were 3 men and a woman on this panel, but it was the lady who had the guts and gumption to call out the spade…. She had the proverbial ‘b*lls’ to take it on 👏🏻
There is a say in Hindi - चौबे जी छब्बीस जी बनने गए थे, दूबे जी बन गए । Exactly this is so with Modi govt. it has no comprehension about its own strength and position in the present world . Modi has been a clown in foreign policy who unnecessarily falls upon the leaders of powerful countries with an intention to just please them.
Don’t argue in support of goondaism in international politics.
One may believe no Wong is done, but it is just the believe of an irrational mind. Nothing else.
we will brazen it out...like a big power...while some people..still behave like docile govts of the past..lol
@@arunmaheshwari1040 Petty beniya maheshwari talking about position & strength is hilarious. 😂
If these politicians do not defend the govt. they may get a call from Lawrence Bishnoi
rice bag convert spotted.
Great Scholars are participants in the discussion .
The issues with the USA and Canada have not been handled professionally by our agencies. The Khalistani cannot do any harm to our country whatsoever they think about themselves. India is well prepared and protected from any foreign enemies.
Its about Modi and the BJP looking tough. Its all about election politics. Sadly.
a very diplomatic discussion !! Very political ! who killed the man ??? what is the answer ??
The three gentlemen forgot to mention why US is shielding Pannum
Because in those countries any one can advocate for their beliefs as long as it’s done peacefully, in Canada for example a national party of Quebec known as bloc québécois want Quebec to be a French nation and seperated from Canada and have your ever heard Canada calling them terrorists where as the mps of that party sit with Trudeau and others in the house of commons.
I guess that’s what a real democracy looks like.
Because india has ZERO evidence against Pannu. No wrongdoing nothing.
@@gaganb1159 They did not undergo partition like we did - so they are immature
@@adityabanerjee7145 have you ever heard of civil war when all the states in usa were fighting against each other?
@@gaganb1159Did they get a partition? The slave states are part of the union. Trump is getting shot at Pannu is making bomb threats,yeah so democratic. Now the election Looks like absolute madness.
I agree with Mr Tiwari. He knows his narration very well. He is down to earth..l admire his talk.
Another thing is to try and not play James Bond when we clearly suck at it 😀
Hold accountable for all this to two thugs Modi and Shah..Just talking about saving India by all these is one thing..funny thing is ..none is talking about rogue PM and Tihadi HM and their wrong doing...They got caught and now have consequences...
Indirectly the experts Are accepting the charges against India and its criminal activities overseas because one mistake does not justify other mistake. If India 🇮🇳has objections against what US ir Canada did should have raised then and there. But India has lost so many opportunities for reasons hitherto unknown and can't use now because caught red handed and should also find out better diplomatic method to douse the fire.
Our diplomacy is in shambles right now. Neighbours like Pakistan and China were always inimical to us. But the smaller, friendly countries in the region too have become so now. And a career diplomat is in charge of the affairs now!
Amit Shah is behind the mess
There is no mess. The mess is in Trudeau's tiny brain...
The only person who logical is Manish Tiwari.
India doesn't need people like Piyush Goyals from the east where more questions arise rather than answers to speak for Mumbai Indians
Trade between Indian and Canada is about even at $4 billion each. Neither country will be in trouble if trade reduces. The Diplomatic row may be settled eventually, but FTA is probably dead. Canada is reducing immigration numbers. Cap on student Visas, will impact Indians the most as they are the largest foreign student group in Canada.
Just because west did it unabashedly doesn’t mean India should do it too. India should do it when it’s prepared. Looks like this time they weren’t prepared if at all this whole episode IS true. Until Canadians give proof we should hold our ground, if and when any evidence is shown, think how the situation can be salvaged without getting egg on our face.
To bring up the point that West did it so we should also be allowed is not the right point to make. Not now atleast. Case at hand isn’t that. Had you raised the point before this episode happened it can be debated. Case at hand is not about Double Standards. Case is a crime has been committed and we are being blamed for it.
Being blamed for protecting our National Interest will only STRENGTHEN our international image.
No one wants to be friends with a coward.
Sibbal is often trolled for being not nationalist enough--so, he can't afford to lose this opportunity of a "safe" topic. Sibbal forgot to mention that Ms Bhaswati Mukherjee recently joined the BJP. The US and India need each other against China, so the US issue will be swept under the carpet. So, will the Canadian matter, but will take longer. Tewari is of course a Congress MP whose father was unfortunately murdered by terrorists.
She is not here representing BJP but as an expert. There is no dispute with regard to her competence in the subject matter being discussed. Stop bringing politics into national security issues. Be it left or right , Indian security concerns should be same for both unless you are too petty or you don’t care about it.
HAR EK COUNTRY KU DUTY HEY ( USA KEE BHI) TO HAND OVER THE CRIMINALS IF OTHER COUNTRIES INSTEAD OF GIVING CITIZENSHIP. AGAR USA KO AND ISRAEL KO DOOSRE DESH MEY JAA KAR APNE DUSHMANO KO AUR CRIMINALS KO MARNE KA RIGHT HEY TAU VOHI RIGHT INDIA KO BHI HEY
@@nil6226only Congress point of view is forwarded on this real andhbhakt s channel.
@@nil6226 Dear nil-IQ, you have misunderstood. Sibbal remarked during the introductions that Ms BM should have joined politics, etc. He could have surely then mentioned that she has eventually done so (being an NCR-politician, the news of her joining the BJP (along with many former top bureaucrats and army officer) would not have escaped him. In any event, the discussion is very superficial without any depth and nuances.
Sibals son Sidhant Sibal spews venom against Canada on Twitter everyday. 😂
Why they could not find a Sikh to join this discussion??😮😮😮 Don't they see any problem with this.....
I understand that Sikhs relied upon Nehru and Gandhi’ assurances for their security and safeguarding of interests but soon after 1947 Sikhs declared criminals by Indian state then continue to suppress their core interests and further divisions of Punjab… Sikhs continued to rise despite Indian depression. However 1984 Sikh genocide was turning point that changed the perspective of Sikhs about Indians, Indian state and relationships with Indian state…
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Indian state has apologised for the 1984. Trials are going on. Some people here and there are still out, some imprisoned who are yet to be released, and that’s it. Happens everywhere.
Punjab is equally powerful as other states of India. No one is dragging innocent people out of the buses, and killing them, nor any temple of anykind has been militarised at the moment. So they need to tone down this historical oppression olympics and chill out.
Is it an embarassment or a matter of pride that we can also do something if it is necessary
The route the US is taking is purely one of superior negotiating position.
Your government has no rights to murder Canadian in Canada.
Canada has no right to harbour terrorists.
These are false claims of your government. Why your government does not provide evidence of India's alleged involvement ? Why your government gives shelter and support to proclaimed assassins, drug mafias, plane hijackers and illicit arms dealers from India ?
Neither has your government any right to seek balkanisation of my country. You have temerity to comment after botching up AI 182 b0mbing.
I guess Sibil sab has forgotten that SASHI THAROOR is still in the Congress, who is as much as or much more prolific in matters of international relations and literature!
I remember of a statement made of assassinations arranged through aid of intelligence agencies failing in attempts now & then was the dictum of obeying the so designated Eleventh Commandment , which was “Thou shall not get Caught “!
Don’t worry sir they were powerful but we r not weak anymore
I am really surprised at what Mr Manish Tiwari is suggesting , to ignore those fringe elements in Canada. The problem is when people like Pannun is openly threatening Indian diaspora living there, there are open threats to blow an Air India plane,open threats of physical harm to Indian embassy officials. How can any self respecting Nation tolerate such nonsense.😊😊
Just 2 issues; 1st they could have avoided lady in discussion and enjoyed their chat, 2nd they could had bottle of beer and instead of cup and continue to scold India because of their inferiority complex 😅
Kapil Sibal was all gung-ho about the potential embarrassment india government could face but Bhasmati Ji just tear through Sibal in the very first comment. Mr Kapil what is the embarrassment in it? United States destroyed the entire country of Iraq saying they have weapons of mass destruction, and there was no embarrassment to them then why are we worried about embarrassment, in fact it’s good that they’re accusing India because now they will understand that this bullshit cannot go on. And India can also take action if needed. When United States can provide century to Pannu who just recently and openly threatened people not to travel in Air India hinting to a bomb the aircraft, that is the cause of embarrassment which United States should feel not what if try to stop it.
Bhasmati ji is the only sensible person on this panel. Rest are weak hearted apologists.
The panel presented an interesting and balanced argument. I think the current situation in America with the indictments is closely linked to what happened with the killing of Mr Nijjar. This situation reminds me of the killing of Jamal Khahoggi by the Saudis. Though it was clear who carried out what could only be deemed as an extra judicial killing in a foreign country. However, in that case it was scrubbed under the rug due to the strong bilateral relationship between the Saudis and the Americans. That relationship is not built on love but on pure economic and strategic pillars. Does India have that sort of relationship with America? It is only America who can diffuse this situation by speaking with the Canadians. One can only assume they have chosen not to do this at the moment. This has dragged on due to in part I believe the Americans making it clear to the Indians that they do not like India to be pandering to Russia. I think it has many layers and will eventually sort itself out but India definitely needs to carry out any such covert operations with a lot more professionalism otherwise these are the consequences and fall out. Unfortunately many factors have conspired to create this situation.
Panel discussion is too intellectual indulgence (in whataboutery rather than addressing the issue directly) for common men to grasp !
The matter is as simple as the one that there is an accusation by Canada or USA and the role of India should have been to express its willingness to co-operate with an impartial independent investigation and trial processes , may be , at ICJ (International Court of justice).
With useless foreign experts like this, hence Indian diplomacy has always been in doldrums. US Europe do the same against hostile nations. Not their friends. Canada does not need India as considered India friendly nation, so why they harm relations? India needs Canada, ask visa appliers. These people aren't giving good feedback to Indian viewers that's why no good strategy develops. Politician was only ine making decent points
To bring a relationship back on track, the trust must be restored.
The trust could be restored if Shah, Doval, and Yadav be extradited to the US and Canada.
If their justice system not found them guilty, they could return. Otherwise, they should complete their prison sentences before returning to India.
This will prove to the whole world that India has a rule of law.
What's the benefit of calling traitors
The whole discussion has been conducted very diplomatically, obviously because of senior diplomats sitting there. But, but the core question has been avoided and its repercussions. The name of Indian Home Minister, the name of our nsa is in the judiciary documents. The discussion has disappointed to that extent.
Within India no foreign seek laboratory works.
Amit Shah was declared tadhipaar by court.
15.05, Mr. Kataju here you are wrong. The Candian team meets RAW chief in Singhapur. But India do not co-operate.
😂😂😂 If we don't want to cooperate then why even bother to meet in Singapore ? 😂😂😂
Bhai I was confused where is Singhapur😂😂😂
And they have met them 5 times and provided evidence of involvement not the allegations.
Canada wouldn’t want to lose a big business , they are just looking for their countries security nothing else.
@gaganb1159 gagan... Evidence like tweet is not an evidence. That's Free Speech as per Canadian Law.. Isn't it??
@@gaganb1159That Pappu PM has brain in right place?
You are talking about double standards, but the ground reality is that there are multiple standards that the powerful West has formulated for the rest of the world.As India emerges as a country having the clout to counter the western hegemony, it is up against the monster in its ugliest form.
Govt.not forgeten kanishka fact thats proud of nation so i am govt. Side
Mr. Sibal is asking to sit and solve the problem that means we are accepting problem. What a Hippocrate😂
Its not Canada alone. The US has also caught Nikhil Gupta red handed trying to target US citizen on US soil, which the US considers an actual attack on its sovereignty. They got Nikhil Gupta extradited from Czech republic and now he is in US jail. The US has also accused Indian government of being behind this, and US FBI has issued arrest warrants against Indian government official Vikas Yadav, whom the Indian government has declared as extortionist criminal.
So what???
US has got no right to talk about sovereignty. US itself has not respected territorial integrity of other nations. There are tons of examples. And you know what, you can actually check on Google that this Nikhil was arrested in Czech Republic in around Jan-March period, while US extradited him later after Trudeau made his infamous accusations. Why did the US wait so long , to extradite someone who is allegedly criminal for US, from a fellow democracy and a US ally ? And why did the matter kind of again boiled up after PM of India's visit to 2024 BRICKS summit in Russia was almost confirmed.
Rules of international sovereignty shouldn't apply to few nations.
There's an interesting article published in Financial Times that somewhat is titled like " India has joined exclusive club of Assassin States" .
Now who are the other Assassin States, apparently no matter how dangerous are Iran and North Korea, they don't have this kind of capacity.
The other Assassin States are, Russia, Israel, China, and the US itself.
These are tactics of governments. One way you can also read it as, if India's attendance at Russia summit was confirmed, Washington had prepared pressure from the other side.
And you need to defend your own country at some positions no matter what, US and Canada has got no right to divide India on the name of religion, no matter how dirty the politics is in India.
What if India starts giving refuge to people who are known threats to Canada and the US ?
And why is that, as China's rise and America's decline is almost written, the world is going to wars, be it Israel Gaza Lebanon, Russia Ukraine, possible Armenia Azerbaijan, and China Taiwan ?
Land of Buddha Land of MK Gandhi ?? @@abeeshsundaran
How bhakts are able to post comments without going through the video. Not funny for this Congress bhakts channel. 😅
Five eyes were never friends of India and they make all kind of excuses to contain India but they will fail.
Can somebody tell this person that it was his party/ Indira Gandhi who created their whole situation
You want the proof in public!
Proofs are produced in the courts not public
To accept that USA is more powerful and therefore India should allow itself be bullied or toe the line of USA is not acceptable. That apart, USA does not accept or has failed in persuading India to not to have association with Russia, it is now trying to to twist or pressurise India to dissociate itself with Russia. USA is trying its best to have its influence over India and that should be acceptable to India, is the crux of this situation.
Its time to send some strong signals to US. May be the first step could be to pull back some of our staff stationed at Indian Missions in US and then ask US to trim some staff stationed at their missions in India.
The only other instance of great diplomatic upheaval between India and US in not too distant past was Devyani Khobragad.
This too will die down its natural death .
Sit back and relax. Let the media play it out and Indians enjoy the debates.
U'r wrong. This has everything to do with de-dollarization and BRICS. Very little to do with pannu and his puny gang.
I thought Kapil Sibbal is wise person , He is comparing US action in Afghanistan , Pak and Iran, with India's botched up operation in USA and Canada with the help of low-level gangs. You cannot compare the two and How would you feel if USA starts doing operation against individuals in India
How is that botched up
USA is already doing many things even distrying elected governments.
Yes I think also but what he is not saying is the dirty game of west especially(five eyes) they wants these to eliminate to twist india arms
someone who is afraid of his real identity is giving lecture 😂😂
Punjab not part of India gundstani out of Punjab