Welcome back PTR sir. Glad to see u in national (social) media. Been waiting to see u give interviews like in good old days. Hoping there's more to come
What would have been a pure academic discussion was made live by PTR. Thanks for that. Wire please bring in people with real experience with the topic being discussed that helps people like me.
Excellent initiative of Wire to hold such high level intellectual discussions - without any shouting or cat - dog fights, as is shown on godi media Congratulations to Kapil Sibal on how he presents the show
These Governors act like real clowns. They are not elected & theres is always a clash with the elected. CM. Secondly just look at the perks, free bungalow, free staff, free security staff, free TA, & so many, which is all being paid by the common man of the state. At the end how ,& in what way this Gov. helps the finctioning of the ruling govt. So sickening. Salute to PTR for his wonderful views on these Governors. Jai Hind !
@@KSD02 Brother, not only Tamil Nadu, he rocks for whole of India . He stands for " knowledge is power".He may bring IT COMPANIES in. TN to pole position..
Congratulations to wire media for eminent personalities useful information and elaborate discussion parliamentary affairs and states governors role.❤❤ PTR Vaazhaga.❤❤
What Kabil said is right. Delhi became dysfunctional government. Last month I was in Delhi first time in my life for my daughter admission. I really shocked to see capital of India looks dirtiest city in our country. No Traffic rules followed , no law, takes its own course here. Cows are everywhere disturbing traffic. Pretty much everything. Behavior, driving sense, pollution, superiority complex . PG owners are money minded people. Most of the PG accommodations are filthy and not following hygienic rules. I was cheated by Punjabi PG owner. I paid 28,000 rs one month advance and security deposit for my daughter pg accommodation. I informed her please clean the place and make it pleasant to stay before arriving. Place was still dirty, unorganized, garbage on the stairs case. It was not a healthy place to stay for my daughter. So I told her please refund my money. But she refused to refund my money first. After two days she refunded 16,000 rs. She has taken 8,000rs my hard earn money from my pocket . I feel completely lost in Delhi.
Why just the Governor ? In view of how the PM is running the country we shld also think of abolishing the PM post…….The constitution is as good as its citizens
As all of know that Port Blair name changed and reason have been told that to come out of colonial mind sets Since Governors post also symbol of colonial mindset. Then why can't scrap the Governor post
The opinions of these eminent people on the panel should be heeded to by those in power if they care for the constitutional and legal functioning of governments.
Excellent debate on the role of Governors of States. Taking into account the way Governors of many states are using their power to discredit constitutional Federalism, its time an open debate/Seminar be conducted to deliberate whether the post of appointed Governor is necessary to run a elected Govt. by the people. It will be wise to replace Article 357 of the constitution to a constitutional council by a body of the Supreme Court of India, in every state a committee of at least three members consisting of Retd. High Court Judge and senior Retd. Bureaucrat of that state, for a better Centre-State relationship under the law of Federalism.
Indian federalism has made India great and protected and built the Indian unity, it's diverse culture and traditions. Now everything is getting destroyed.
My question too is this "Why do we need the title of a Governor? Same applies to titular head of the office of President. These r decorations to squander money from the exchequer.
Governor role is superfluous and ceremonial, it should be abolished altogether. In US the governors are elected just like CMs here, and can tell the federal president to bug off if he or his govt. interferes too much.
An (almost) hour long discussion which, sub silentio, confirms the redundancy the SC has reduced itself to - the only mention thereof being to say it isn’t deciding anything.
A gripping discussion. Normally long discussions on RUclips videos put me off but when four people of such caliber, knowledge and articulation participate I am not able to quit watching.
Governors hold constitutional posts akin to the President in a state. They must rise above their erstwhile political affiliation. But these days, they are more or less 'party-san' persons( pun intended) and obedient servants of the party at the centre. They kowtow before the PM. Sad state of things. Politics has infiltrated every nook and corner of governance and institutions.
At 44:02, "the question then arises, do we need governors?". This requires a serious consideration. We need to scrutinise the role of the governor and reexamine the fundamental necessity for this position in the current scheme of things.
I do not know what happened to the No Confidence Motion against the most arrogant, unethical Chairman of the Rajya Sabha, we've ever had. He deserves to be thrown out unceremoniously ( My opinion). He is a disgrace on the post he holds. 😢
Governors were always functioning as agents through indian history……the most striking agency action executed was when President rule U/A 356 got imposed in Andhra pradesh through Governor Ramlal dismissing the validly elected government of NT Rama Rao at the behest of Rajeev Gandhi…. what congress did with sophistication the bjp is doing it roughshod….thats the only difference
A very insightful discussion. In the end, it is the common people who suffer. I have one question regarding the point the Tamil Nadu minister made about the governor serving as the chancellor of state universities. Could you clarify which states have governors automatically appointed as chancellors, and what the law says about this?
Governor should be either elected by committee which includes CM of the state, Chief justice of High court of the state, speaker of the legislature assembly Or He should be elected same method like president or vice President
This happens when governors are selected by union and not elected with a constitutionality and yet he functions as if he is above the that. Why make the appointment or selection of governors be vested with the union...? Why cant the states have a right to choose their own governor...? The states or people of the state should have a say or referendum in the selection of the governor. There should be people's movement where the appointment of selection should be made only after a state referendum from a pool of candidates being nominated. States should enact laws or amendments for the appointment of governors in their states. The governor residences are in states, the finances for governors' functioning are primarily from the state treasury. Then why should the Union government should appoint a governor on their own whims and fancies.
Is there a need to continue the position of Governor? Experience suggests the post of Governor to build bridge between State & centre isn't an ideal arrangement.Several instances of biases by a number of governors in different States make a strong case for considering other alternatives.If the present system is to continue judiciary ought to play expeditiously on matters of interference or causing bottlenecks.Needbased arrangements can be considered on a case by case basis as well.
Rahulian dystopia is sold here at Wire. The shop from where you can buy this is, " mohabath ka dhukhan " . Sibbal is thr sales man. That Tamil Gentle Man claims his father cooked the dish and added preservatives, and gurantees good sales, as it is overwhelmingly sold in Tamil Nadu, and holds the Karunanidhi dynasty to remain the perpetual rulers in spite of democratic threats.
@@yedukondalubyrisetty8027 because president is at least indirectly elected by people unlike governors . There will be presidential candidates and votes were casted on them from Lok Sabha, raja Sabha and state assembly members . Governors are direct appointments of union ruling party. The need of president is when government collapses someone has to run a country for small duration until new government forms and by ethically even president should not intervene in the business of elected union government. They can suggest or give opinion nothing more than that. Even state government collapses president can take charge for a while instead governors. Governors of non union ruling party states are being more political and running parallel government, spreading propaganda and sitting on the bill where unanimous will of assembly.
In a democracy, every section of society should have proportionate representation in Govt and Governance but it is sad to say that minorities are side-lined.
Governorship was a dummy post even during Congress govt rule.Those days Tamilnadu CM Karunainidhi used to criticize the role of congress govt nominated governors in the state.
I voted for PTR anna even though I don't like DMK or Dravidian politics in the state of Tamilnadu. Our MLA PTR is an intellectual and a humble person but in the wrong party.
May be the situational demand where the governor is becoming part of state actor to counter non state actors like citizens or corporate entities which has foreign interests are acting freely may be to protect certain state interests the peer centre’s are utilising seat of governorship to nullify certain factors to counter
Now the government appointing the governers on the base of following qualifications. 1 The governer must the follower of rss and act as per rss procedure. 2. He must disobey the constitution and act as central governments demand of demolisation of elected government in the states.
Governors are subservient to the President of India not the PM of India. But interestingly under BJP rule both governors and the president of India have become subservient to a Monarch called the PM of India who rules with his Sengol. We are back to the days of monarchy when governors and governor-generals ( Presidents)will stay in power as long as they enjoy the pleasure of her majesty the queen of Imperial British India (King - Narendra Modi).
Yes, Governer is purely agent of Govt and hence he is appointed by Govt. Those only who are loyal to Govt and obey the Govt instructions and in turn they can hold the office till the pleasure of PM.
Sir, It is Ok that you appear for the West Bengal Government. As you woukd know, This should be part of the process to bring out the truth and Justice to the affected. But you did not seem to do that. We are very disappointed. I was part of the organization which you started recently accross India.
As you cited , Sibal ji - Ranga premium top-ten Constitutional poodles (n Rastrapati Bhavan, in Lower/Upper house of Parliament, in SCoI, in EC,...) in Dhankhar (RUclips clip of him in 40 crore BMW Euro luxury SUV to roam around on crumbling Delhi roads (Infrastructure loot side effects on steroid) is Can be seen giving parting lecture (to impromptu end The Monsoon Session),as how great is Country doing under MoBani-MoDani-MoShah-MoRss regime!!!
There is a live case of injustice to woman in Calcutta and the whole machinery of state govt is behind those considered to be guilty. Did sibal not know about the atrocities? Where is the morality of him representing the state govt? Does it mean that u can do anything in the personal/professional life and on the other side u start preaching moralities ( public discourse)?
Congrats PTR one of few leaders capable of such intellectual discussions
Welcome back PTR sir. Glad to see u in national (social) media. Been waiting to see u give interviews like in good old days. Hoping there's more to come
Kapil Sibal is a genius, he could handle so many diverse topics with such finesse and panache
Palanivel thiagarajan is a national treasure
PTR ,a future PM? Guy from MIT, brilliant person
Would love to see more such debates. Kudos team The Wire !
What would have been a pure academic discussion was made live by PTR. Thanks for that. Wire please bring in people with real experience with the topic being discussed that helps people like me.
Each discussion is not only thought provoking but enlightening .The debate is always highly appreciable
"I miss Mr. PTR’s unique perspective. His views always made a lasting impact."
Here to hear PTR
Excellent initiative of Wire to hold such high level intellectual discussions - without any shouting or cat - dog fights, as is shown on godi media
Congratulations to Kapil Sibal on how he presents the show
Fully agree.
This is also Godi media of Cong
@@nirmalbhel3231 What is worse is they are not shouting and they are debating facts !!!
@@KobayashiMaru- one sided debate will be always like this put one BJP member and see what happens
@@nirmalbhel3231 Very true it is only then we can have a shouting match ... Anyways why waste time here lets go watch godi media and arnob shout
These Governors act like real clowns. They are not elected & theres is always a clash with the elected. CM. Secondly just look at the perks, free bungalow, free staff, free security staff, free TA, & so many, which is all being paid by the common man of the state. At the end how ,& in what way this Gov. helps the finctioning of the ruling govt. So sickening. Salute to PTR for his wonderful views on these Governors. Jai Hind !
Excellent as usual. 👍
Very interesting and enlightening discussion. All participants are well informed and knowledgeable.
PTR Rocks🎉
@@KSD02 Brother, not only Tamil Nadu, he rocks for whole of India . He stands for " knowledge is power".He may bring IT COMPANIES in. TN to pole position..
Nominated Governor of Calcutta threatened Elected CM by Boycotting CM supporting the agitating doctors. Why not the Governor sit with doctors dharna?
Governor office should be abolish it will save government revenue
Congratulations to wire media for eminent personalities useful information and elaborate discussion parliamentary affairs and states governors role.❤❤
PTR Vaazhaga.❤❤
What Kabil said is right. Delhi became dysfunctional government. Last month I was in Delhi first time in my life for my daughter admission. I really shocked to see capital of India looks dirtiest city in our country. No Traffic rules followed , no law, takes its own course here. Cows are everywhere disturbing traffic. Pretty much everything. Behavior, driving sense, pollution, superiority complex . PG owners are money minded people. Most of the PG accommodations are filthy and not following hygienic rules. I was cheated by Punjabi PG owner. I paid 28,000 rs one month advance and security deposit for my daughter pg accommodation. I informed her please clean the place and make it pleasant to stay before arriving. Place was still dirty, unorganized, garbage on the stairs case. It was not a healthy place to stay for my daughter. So I told her please refund my money. But she refused to refund my money first. After two days she refunded 16,000 rs. She has taken 8,000rs my hard earn money from my pocket . I feel completely lost in Delhi.
Not only Delhi, entire Country looks like a big Dustbin 😅😅😅
Welcome to India
R.N.Ravi, Tamil Nadu Governor may be crowned with Bharat Ratna. Why❓
For his "outrageous neutrality". ⁉️
An eye-opening and brilliant discussion of intellectuals! Thank you all participants.
PTR is very bold and knowedge person
We were lucky to have NNvohra as governor
Intellectually good 👍 integrity honesty
Excellent PTR
Just the learning environment of these discussions is quite amazing. The men utter little and maximum effect.
Excellent discussion between eminent personalities. Hats off to Mr. Sibal
Look at the Karnataka Governor, how he is behaving unabashedly .No moral in his actions 😢
Why just the Governor ? In view of how the PM is running the country we shld also think of abolishing the PM post…….The constitution is as good as its citizens
As all of know that Port Blair name changed and reason have been told that to come out of colonial mind sets
Since Governors post also symbol of colonial mindset. Then why can't scrap the Governor post
The opinions of these eminent people on the panel should be heeded to by those in power if they care for the constitutional and legal functioning of governments.
Governor must be nominated by President of India . Selected and interviewed by the Chief Justice council. And not by the central Government
very interesting debate for constitution and nation related issues.
Excellent 🎉🎉
Excellent debate on the role of Governors of States. Taking into account the way Governors of many states are using their power to discredit constitutional Federalism, its time an open debate/Seminar be conducted to deliberate whether the post of appointed Governor is necessary to run a elected Govt. by the people.
It will be wise to replace Article 357 of the constitution to a constitutional council by a body of the Supreme Court of India, in every state a committee of at least three members consisting of Retd. High Court Judge and senior Retd. Bureaucrat of that state, for a better Centre-State relationship under the law of Federalism.
Indian federalism has made India great and protected and built the Indian unity, it's diverse culture and traditions. Now everything is getting destroyed.
My question too is this "Why do we need the title of a Governor? Same applies to titular head of the office of President. These r decorations to squander money from the exchequer.
In democracy, President and Governers should be directly elected by Public and they should not belong to any Party.
Whichever government comes to power, it should abolish the post of governors & Lieutenant Governors.
Profitable discussion.
Governor role is superfluous and ceremonial, it should be abolished altogether. In US the governors are elected just like CMs here, and can tell the federal president to bug off if he or his govt. interferes too much.
Excellent discussion 😊
An (almost) hour long discussion which, sub silentio, confirms the redundancy the SC has reduced itself to - the only mention thereof being to say it isn’t deciding anything.
Very important topic.
A gripping discussion. Normally long discussions on RUclips videos put me off but when four people of such caliber, knowledge and articulation participate I am not able to quit watching.
Good initiative by the wire.. Most needed.
excellent discussion.
Wow .. what an intellectual discussion.. these governer actions should be completely stipulated in all grave area
Excellent conversation
Governors hold constitutional posts akin to the President in a state. They must rise above their erstwhile political affiliation. But these days, they are more or less 'party-san' persons( pun intended) and obedient servants of the party at the centre. They kowtow before the PM. Sad state of things. Politics has infiltrated every nook and corner of governance and institutions.
Couldn’t agree with you more.
Very informative
Brilliant debate!
Nowadays, governors paralleley running government, it seems our constitution is getting week day by day and our central agencies too...
Very nice discussion between highly intellect, esteemed accolades on a very sensitive ongoing issue that grips the country in a sanghi regime.
great discussion
Palani vel thiagarajan sir our tamil nadu pride 🎉🎉
Is he an agent? Of course.
Should he be! Of course not.
This is India, मेरी जाँ।
Here nothing happens as should.
At 44:02, "the question then arises, do we need governors?". This requires a serious consideration. We need to scrutinise the role of the governor and reexamine the fundamental necessity for this position in the current scheme of things.
Good minister Mr PTR SIR 🎉🎉🎉
Governor's Care Fund on the lines of PM Care Fund. Wow !
I do not know what happened to the No Confidence Motion against the most arrogant, unethical Chairman of the Rajya Sabha, we've ever had.
He deserves to be thrown out unceremoniously ( My opinion). He is a disgrace on the post he holds. 😢
Excellent
Yes Governor is an agent of Union Government.
Not an agent, but Puppet.
Spy
Delhi case, following the dictate of Billa bestowing from his office - Exclamation point!
Governors were always functioning as agents through indian history……the most striking agency action executed was when President rule U/A 356 got imposed in Andhra pradesh through Governor Ramlal dismissing the validly elected government of NT Rama Rao at the behest of Rajeev Gandhi…. what congress did with sophistication the bjp is doing it roughshod….thats the only difference
In most instances the Governor's conduct is disrespectful to Voters Rights.
50 years of my Criminal reputation is gone
A very insightful discussion. In the end, it is the common people who suffer. I have one question regarding the point the Tamil Nadu minister made about the governor serving as the chancellor of state universities. Could you clarify which states have governors automatically appointed as chancellors, and what the law says about this?
Governors r behaving like active part of their erstwhile political parties.
The controlling strings r with PM / HM.
Not just cheap political agents but proxy politicians too.
Great Minds in one place
There should be a time limit for giving assent to a bill passed by the legislature, say 90 days, after which it will be deemed to have been approved.
Governor should be either elected by committee which includes CM of the state, Chief justice of High court of the state, speaker of the legislature assembly
Or
He should be elected same method like president or vice President
This happens when governors are selected by union and not elected with a constitutionality and yet he functions as if he is above the that. Why make the appointment or selection of governors be vested with the union...? Why cant the states have a right to choose their own governor...? The states or people of the state should have a say or referendum in the selection of the governor. There should be people's movement where the appointment of selection should be made only after a state referendum from a pool of candidates being nominated. States should enact laws or amendments for the appointment of governors in their states. The governor residences are in states, the finances for governors' functioning are primarily from the state treasury. Then why should the Union government should appoint a governor on their own whims and fancies.
We want erudite men like PTR in key posts to lead India. What a guy he is.
Is there a need to continue the position of Governor? Experience suggests the post of Governor to build bridge between State & centre isn't an ideal arrangement.Several instances of biases by a number of governors in different States make a strong case for considering other alternatives.If the present system is to continue judiciary ought to play expeditiously on matters of interference or causing bottlenecks.Needbased arrangements can be considered on a case by case basis as well.
Rahulian dystopia is sold here at Wire. The shop from where you can buy this is, " mohabath ka dhukhan " . Sibbal is thr sales man. That Tamil Gentle Man claims his father cooked the dish and added preservatives, and gurantees good sales, as it is overwhelmingly sold in Tamil Nadu, and holds the Karunanidhi dynasty to remain the perpetual rulers in spite of democratic threats.
Only Governors? Why not President position included in the present discussions?
@@yedukondalubyrisetty8027 because president is at least indirectly elected by people unlike governors . There will be presidential candidates and votes were casted on them from Lok Sabha, raja Sabha and state assembly members . Governors are direct appointments of union ruling party. The need of president is when government collapses someone has to run a country for small duration until new government forms and by ethically even president should not intervene in the business of elected union government. They can suggest or give opinion nothing more than that. Even state government collapses president can take charge for a while instead governors. Governors of non union ruling party states are being more political and running parallel government, spreading propaganda and sitting on the bill where unanimous will of assembly.
In a democracy, every section of society should have proportionate representation in Govt and Governance but it is sad to say that minorities are side-lined.
You’ll shld have discussed the breach of constitutional convention by the pm and CJI instead ….
Governorship was a dummy post even during Congress govt rule.Those days Tamilnadu CM Karunainidhi used to criticize the role of congress govt nominated governors in the state.
I voted for PTR anna even though I don't like DMK or Dravidian politics in the state of Tamilnadu. Our MLA PTR is an intellectual and a humble person but in the wrong party.
राज्यपाल के पद कोई समाप्त कर दिया जाना चाहिए संविधान मे संशोधन करके.
rajypal ka padd bnaya kisne thaa
i wish RN Ravi sees it. thirundunga sir
May be the situational demand where the governor is becoming part of state actor to counter non state actors like citizens or corporate entities which has foreign interests are acting freely may be to protect certain state interests the peer centre’s are utilising seat of governorship to nullify certain factors to counter
Now the government appointing the governers on the base of following qualifications. 1 The governer must the follower of rss and act as per rss procedure. 2. He must disobey the constitution and act as central governments demand of demolisation of elected government in the states.
Fan of PTR.
💐💐💐
yes in opposition ruled states.
i saw this because of PTR
❤❤❤
Governors are subservient to the President of India not the PM of India. But interestingly under BJP rule both governors and the president of India have become subservient to a Monarch called the PM of India who rules with his Sengol. We are back to the days of monarchy when governors and governor-generals ( Presidents)will stay in power as long as they enjoy the pleasure of her majesty the queen of Imperial British India (King - Narendra Modi).
Yes, Governer is purely agent of Govt and hence he is appointed by Govt. Those only who are loyal to Govt and obey the Govt instructions and in turn they can hold the office till the pleasure of PM.
Curse to india to have politician like this
Sir,
It is Ok that you appear for the West Bengal Government. As you woukd know, This should be part of the process to bring out the truth and Justice to the affected. But you did not seem to do that. We are very disappointed. I was part of the organization which you started recently accross India.
NOT ONLY GOVERNOR IS A AGENT OF MODI.
NOW CJI IS ALSO ACTING AS A AGENT TO MODI GOVERNMENT.
VERY SHAMEFUL 😭
😂
Rightly said 👍
As you cited , Sibal ji - Ranga premium top-ten Constitutional poodles (n Rastrapati Bhavan, in Lower/Upper house of Parliament, in SCoI, in EC,...) in Dhankhar (RUclips clip of him in 40 crore BMW Euro luxury SUV to roam around on crumbling Delhi roads (Infrastructure loot side effects on steroid) is Can be seen giving parting lecture (to impromptu end The Monsoon Session),as how great is Country doing under MoBani-MoDani-MoShah-MoRss regime!!!
Not only agent some thing else also
Governor or headmaster.
Looks like
There is a live case of injustice to woman in Calcutta and the whole machinery of state govt is behind those considered to be guilty. Did sibal not know about the atrocities? Where is the morality of him representing the state govt? Does it mean that u can do anything in the personal/professional life and on the other side u start preaching moralities ( public discourse)?