ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero WI FI X570 M.2 NVMe PCIe Storage Options
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2022
- Answering Subscribers Questions on Two Videos from One Subscriber. Storage Options for M.2 NVMe PCIe PCIe SSD Drives. Identifying the Problem and Outlining 4 out of 5 possible Solutions. We'll verify Specs on the Motherboard, Chipset and CPU. Then follow with Options for a Single, Dual, Quad and Six Drive M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive Adapters for Storage Solutions.
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Hi JayzBeerz,
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Thank you very much Gill for the very detailed explanation and help. I didn't even consider the bottom chipset Pcie lane, for now I think I will go with the easiest option, basicly using a single M.2 nvme Pcie 4.0 on the 2nd Pcie Slot. Again, thank you very much. I will be waiting for your future content.
Hi Mandonga,
Absolutely! Glad to help! The Easiest Option is the Best Option, for now! Working on next Video now! Appreciate Your Support!
Great information!!
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Now I realized why on Z590, B560 and H570 the M2_1 is disabled for 10th Gen CPU's. It's due to 10th Gen not having enough PCI-e lanes to support M2_1 and PCI-e_1.
Hi JayzBeerz,
Also an issue from Shared vs Dedicated PCIe Resources. Like You said, not enough PCIe Resources to go around! Crazy, right. One of the reasons for a Higher End Chipset. One with more PCIe Resources. And preferably Dedicated PCIe Resources! Changing one thing, changes everything! Understanding PCIe Resource allocations is an education process in and of its self. Now Your eyes are opened! Excellent!
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Hi NEO DON,
Welcome! I'm honored! Thank You! Very much Appreciate Your Comments!
@@BuildOrBuy You are welcome Bill, I sent you an email with a ? about NVME SSD Asus Hyper Card, with my specs. Thank you Sir, I am subbed and belled. Cheers
Hi@@NeoDon1,
Outstanding! I'm honored! If You can Post Your Question here on BuildOrBuy I can look at that now! If You're planning on using a Bios Bifurcating Quad card on the X570 Chipset, that depends upon PCIe Resource availability. In other words, no seperate GPU since the Quad card will require a X16 Slot, electrically not just mechanically. To reiterate, a Bios Bifurcated Quad card Requires All 16 CPU PCIe Lanes! The other Option is a Self Bifurcated Quad card. Some of those only require a X8 Slot. Depends, such as Glotrends Sky or Highpoint. Hope that helps!
Hello, I seen your videos, and you been very helpful to people.
I have the Asus Rog corsshair vIII X570S amd. What I’m going to use it for is anything I basically can sit down and do on it, basic user that wants the max speeds as possible, I do heavy game time to time. As far as m.2, nvme. Little confused, what’s the fastest and best I can get that I don’t have to compromise putting a decent video card in? I read a lot of stuff, and some places keep talking about it uses this port etc, So I want to make sure I kind of buy the right one to install on my motherboard, any suggestions?
hi I recently found your channel and was blown away at how much information you pack into your videos. I am currently researching building my dream PC for gaming streaming and some light video editing and really want to put together a amd CPU Asus ROG Cross hair viii wifi and the new 9650 and video card. I was curious if you could help me with the amount of ram I should use nvme drives and what would be a good set up so I could get gaming streaming and editing with this setup. I mostly play call of duty. thank you so much for your help and really great videos I'll definitely be checking out your channel for more great tips and tricks.
Hi Donald Smith,
Welcome! Glad You found Us! An honor and a privilege to help! Good You're doing Your Research before spending any money! We can definitely help with Rendering Specs. We suggest using the Adobe After Effects Mult-Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula as a starting point.
1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM - 16 Core CPU = 64GBs RAM
2. CPU Core count = VRAM - 16 Core CPU = 16GBs VRAM
Radeon 9650 GPU? How much Memory is on that Video card? Not enough! Depending upon Your Rendering engine, the GPU can do up to 80% of the Rendering. And the only reason for an NVIDIA GPU would be if You need CUDA Cores. Some VFX require CUDA Cores. We use mostly Radeon Pro GPUs for Rendering. Very efficient for Rendering! Enterprise Drivers although You want Gaming Drivers. Understandable. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy thank you so much for responding. yes this does help I'm still researching and your information is definitely appreciated. I'm still deciding on my configuration and what parts to use so this definitely helps. thanks for your help keep putting out the awesome videos and I'll be waiting for the next one.
Hi@@donaldsmith881,
Excellent! Appreciate Your Support! Any Questions, just Ask!
nice video
Hi Hurly D'souza,
Welcome! Thank You for Your Comment!
Kind regards, Thank you for your content, it is really one of the best and clearest. I have this question: I have built a new PC, for intermediate workstation, with Ryzen 9550x on MB Asus ProArt X750 WiFi, we have already used the first PCI-e slot for RTX 3800 Ti video card, I was wondering if I should put an M2.0 expansion with two units, in the third PCI-e slot it would solve something...
Hi Strato Arquitectos,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Been working on next Video. Let me take a look at Your Motherboard Resources. This too might be better explained in a Video!
Hi Strato Arquitectos,
BTW: Asus ProArt X750 WiFi? You mean, ProArt X570-Creator WiFi.
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you very much for answering Gill, I will wait for your advice to follow the right path, currently we have placed two M2.0 (first and second slots).
I have another question for you, we are thinking of building a more powerful station, apart from the intermediate one, thinking of AMD Threadripper PRO, we are thinking of acquiring the ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI Motherboard, and for now with Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3975WX, but thinking that perhaps in the not too distant future, this same motherboard will be used with the Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5000, will this be feasible, will this work?. Thanks a lot for your support
Hi@@stratoarquitectos8889,
Yes, most definitely. A Threadripper Pro Motherboard currently shipping will require a Bios Update to go from a 3000 series CPU to a 5000 series CPU. Smart choice! An easy answer!
I have the same mother board so if I understand correctly I can populate both m.2 drives with out a hit to performance?
Hello BigBad,
Welcome. Just now seeing Your question. Yes. According to the ASUS Specs, 1 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive using CPU Lanes. The other M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive using Chipset PCIe Lanes. You're good to go. No Performance degradation.
Hi Gill, boy I have tried everything, I think. I have this same board. Ryzen 5900X , 3080ti in first slot at 16x, (second Slot is Empty) Motherboard M.2 slot 1 and bottom #2 both have M.2 drives. I have Asus Hyper M.2 X16 Gen4 on the bottom
(3rd PCIe Slot) with two M.2 drives in the card in slot one and two. Only one of the drives appears in the bios and in windows 10. I tried to move the M.2 in the card to the 3rd slot (staggered) as well to no avail. Sure could use your help on this one. Is this Asus card "self-bifurcated"? Thanks for all you do Gill, be well.
Hi NEO DON,
Welcome! First, the Regular Quad cards from the likes of ASUS, ASRock, Gigabyte and MSI are NOT Self Bifurcated. Those all require Full Bios Bifurcation.
Second, on a Consumer Desktop Motherboard those Quad cards Require 1st Slot, Fully Bios Bifurcated from X16 to X4X4X4X4.
In Your Configuration You want to see 2 Drives. Prioritization for CPU Lanes goes frome 1st Slot to 2nd Slot. Chipset Lanes ae usually on 3rd Slot. On this Motherboard, to reiterate, that 3rd Slot is X16 mechanically but X4 electrically. Therefore, No CPU Bios Bifurcation and only 1 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive will be seen. As You have found. Bottom line, not enough PCIe Resources to go around. Bummer, right.
For a X4 Self Bifurcated card accommodating 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives You'll need a card from Amfeltec Squid in Canada. Ask for a Quote. Due to the Bifurcation Chipset, that card will cost almost as much as Your Motherboard.
Amfeltec carrier boards, see Two Drive board.
www.amfeltec.com/pci-express-carrier-boards-for-m-2-ssd-modules/
Hope that helps!
I currently have a 5800x3d on an old x370 board with 3200mhz RAM, combined with a 4090. Would it be worth it for me to switch to Dark Hero now to get pcie4 and a bit more oc potential? Idk if my RAM should also be faster.. maybe I should upgrade to ddr5 + mainboard right away....
Hi Paul Denton,
Welcome! Good Question! Depends. Is this a need or a want? Can You justify the expenditures? You'll definitely have Performance improvements. What's Your Render engine?
@BuildOrBuy thanks for your quick reply! Its a want cause I like the asthetics of the board, like that it has on-board Bluetooth and probably runs smoother vs. my x370 aorus k7 (which was built for first gen ryzen). Can't complain hard cause it runs cool and supports my 5800x3d.. my gpu is a 4090 founder's edition. I could get the dark hero cheap for 250 usd and stay with cpu+ram for lets say 1-2 years and then upgrade big time to ddr5 combi... or I could chill with my x370 and save 250 usd for that big upgrade
Hi@@BrickBazooka,
Got it! Be careful buying a used Motherboard. You don't know how it was used or how it was handled. That could become a nightmare. New Motherboard, new RAM. Maybe new Boot Drive! That will be a fun Project!
@BuildOrBuy okay so your advise is to chill with what I have and then upgrade big with all new components.. yeah that makes sense, also I think the x570 platform isn't worth that much money anymore . Thank you!
Hi@@BrickBazooka,
Or the X670E has made great strides. Another Option!
Hi Gill. I was wondering if you could do a video with the rampage vi extreme omega and a 10980xe. What I'm trying to accomplish is a 16tb bootable raid 0 via 4x 4tb Sabrent rocket installed in a hyper m.2 v2 with 2x rtx titan in sli with both running @ 16x. Since the cpu is 48 lanes and the first pcie slot is bifurcation supported could I make this work. I keep seeing vroc is compatible with only intel drives but RSTe will work for any non intel drives and is more for consumer applications. Is a 16tb bootable raid possible with configuration or at all with RSTe?
Maybe the amfiltech card could accomplish this as well
Correction. Not in sli. 2 independent x16 gpu and hyper at x16 for a total of 48 lanes. Trying to set up 2 gaming VMs
Hi Samuel Teresi,
Welcome! Strong possibility! Give me a couple of days. Working on next Video. We're missing critical data on this Subject for that Motherboard. This is the 2nd ASUS Motherboard with these issues. Also an X299! Curious! We may have to Outline generically what to look for without proper documentation. Patience please! Have more Research to do! We may get Bios image screens of the other ASUS X299 Motherboard. Working on it!
Hi@@samuelteresi2493,
That's a distinct possibility! Requires only X8 Slot. PCIe 3.0. Self Bifurcated.
Hi@@samuelteresi2493,
This is why a Video explanation would be helpful. We need an X299 Chipset Diagram for Your specific Motherboard. Short of that, We need to Outline how that all works for what, why and how of PCIe CPU Lanes.
My greatest concern is Intel RST implementation on Your Specific Motherboard. Working on it!
That Asus Hyper card works on an 8X PCIE socket with (bifurcation) raid set at 4x 4x. But the mobo will see two drives if you use card M.2 sockets one and three. A drive in M.2 socket two won't be seen in a 4x 4x PCIe 8X socket. The card is a bargain at $76.
Hi Max,
Thanks for that Update! Then the Supermicro card would not work. Interesting.
@@BuildOrBuy NO. IDK. I've never tried the SM card. I don't think it's the PCIe pins that change on the Asus card. It's the M.2 sockets that skip from the third socket to the second X4 set of pins. IDK I don't have an SM to test it. I thought you used an SM dual card on 2 separate drives on a TRX40 8X socket when you were testing heat sinks. On an X399 the second PCIe socket is 8X GEN3 and with a Hyper card M.2 sockets 1 & 3 work. That's just ASUS AIC. IDK about any other cards. I have only tried the Highpoint SSD7505 board with 4 drives on an X16 PCIe socket.
Hi@@maxhughes5687,
OK! We've heard from another Subscriber about those details changing on the Bifurcation Chart from ASUS for some Motherboards. Curious. Goes to show, We can take nothing for granted. Test and Verify! Will have to point that out next time! As in here's what We know. Here's Documentation. However, those Details could change, Be aware of the issue involved and Test and Verify!
The ASUS Bifurcation chart indicates one or three M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives but not the placement of two which should be as You have stated. But that would exclude using a SuperMicro Dual M.2 NVMe Adapter. Interesting, confusing and perplexing. That's why I did show the Chart but have the link in the Description. Better to stick with HEDT or Workstation. Keep it Simple!
www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507
BTW: How do You like Your HighPoint Controller? How did You configure? Using HighPoint Storport Driver and HighPoint Web GUI or Windows Disk Management? Was it worth it? Or more of, been there, done that.
@@BuildOrBuy I failed to make a bootable W10 raid. I did add a storage raid but only double the read speed and quadruple the write speed. 6800/14000 on GEN3 lanes. They just won't make us 4 videos for the four types of installs. Bootable W10/Linux and storage W10/Linux. I would like 4 GEN4 1TB drives for a W10 boot drive. For video you might want 4 2TB for a scratch drive.
@@BuildOrBuy The web GUI was a snap but I had some error in the set up that kept the speeds down. Asus X399, TRX40 and WRX80E were all on the compatible list, so it must be me.
Hopefully ill get an answer
Hi Emanuel König,
Did You have another Question? Please Ask! We'll do Our best to help!
Asus ProArt X570-CREATOR and a AMD 9 5900X, what GPU you recommend with this build. Please comment about pro & cons before I build with this Items, this build is for Video Content.
Hi Carlos Vazquez,
Welcome! Great Question! Glad You've asked! Which Video Editor? Video Editing is all about Rendering!
Hey my Englishis Not That good ... did i understood it right.. if i have a rtx4080 which needs pcie 4.0 x 16 i have to Use the slot above the first graphicscard slot and the 3. Slot for my m2 Nvmes i got samsung 970s 2 Times
My probl3m now is my 4080 isnt working right on my System, maybie i put the nvmes on a bad Spot to Use All together
I use 3900x on it
My graphicscard is working with pcie 3 8 lanes i think
Hi Emanuel,
Welcome! For clarity, look at the English Motherboard PDF Manual on Page 24. See: PCIe operating mode - That Chart indicates Bandwidth of Devices. Both M.2_1 and M.2_2 are Dedicated. And PCIe x16_1 is Dedicated as long as the other PCIe Slots are not utilized.
Samsung 970 EVO is PCIe 3.0 = 3,500MBps. Your Motherboard supports PCIe 4.0! You can always Upgrade to faster M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives later!
Hi@@emanuelkonig272,
What seems to be the Problem? Can You be more Specific?
Spend 3 x 50€ in computer Service Shops to fix my Problem 1 of them wanted me to buy a New mainboard 2 Shop told me my Board is brocken
Hi Emanuel König,
Just now seeing this message. Oddly enough, wondering the same thing. Or... Could be the PSU. What's the wattage on Your PSU? Do You have a different GPU to try? This is a Process of elimination, of Test and Verify. Hope that helps!
Hope previous comment was not added before. Can’t seem to keep it posted.
Hi James Ambrose,
Welcome! If You had a link embedded, RUclips would have blocked that Comment. I'll have to check. We don't see all Comments if blocked. Some, yes. What may We help You with?
Hey Gil! Sadly I had a link in both posts. Didn’t know it would automatically get blocked. Thanks for that info too. Each repost really I did try to make this shorter. Love all your content that you make and have learned a lot. I know you have a lot of content for creators for audio and photo editing, but have you posted anything on 3D creation? I’m moving from an iMac that I used for Adobe CC suite, to a pc for Unreal Engine 5 for game creation. I would like to use my late model 2012 iMac as a the monitor to save a little money and looking for an AMD that would have TB. It’s supposed to work TB to TB as a display. My budget would be around 2000-2500. I thought TB would have been easier to find but guess not. Is the Intel heat issue really that bad? I know new hardware is coming out soon but I want to make sure I can get the equipment. The Asus Proart x570s would have been great, but I can’t find it anywhere. If you don’t mind looking at my build it would be great found on pcpartpicker list / fdN6Q6
Hope that modified version works this time. Thanks again.
and sorry for the long post.
Hi@@jamesambrous,
Just finished Editing next Video for Video Premiere. Be glad to take a look at Your Specs and Thunderbolt Monitor requirements. Give me a couple of days!
@@BuildOrBuy Hey no problem and thank you. This is my first pc build in ages and just a little paranoid that I will build the wrong rig. I can’t find accurate info on the iMac. The few sites I saw said it could be used but I don’t have another TB device to check. It’s old but still a good 1440 display. Thanks again for your help.
Just a little extra info if needed. I was gifted a 32s 1080p HP monitor I will use as a dual display and an interactive pen display I use for digital painting. I have no problem getting an add on card for TB but I’m still a little unsure which one is compatible for each board and online forums seem to hate them in general. Going best bang for buck so no RGB needed. Would prefer air cooled. While watching your previous videos, I noticed you asked a few questions to those you helped and I just wanted to answer them early if possible. Thanks again.
Great video and I recently subscribed!
I'd like your thoughts if possible to use High Point's SSD7505 nvme PCIe 4.0 x16 adapter card with my current lab computer using the following:
Intel Core i7-11700 Rocket Lake 8-Core 2.5 GHz LGA 1200 65W BX8070811700 Desktop Processor Intel UHD Graphics 750
Not using any of the x16 slots as utilizing the CPU onboard graphics
ASUS ROG STRIX B560-A GAMING WIFI
(2) Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB PCIe Gen 3.0 x4, NVMe 1.3 [Independent Non-RAID]
(2) Samsung SSD 850 EVO 4TB [Windows Software RAID for one large volume]
128GB RAM
My thought is I could use High Point's nvme adapter card in the first x16 slot on my motherboard as it should compensate for the lack of bifurcation on my motherboard from what I can tell. I'd like to install (4) 980 PRO PCIe® 4.0 NVMe™ SSD 2TB drives in the adapter as RAID 0 to support virtualization needs as this is a VM Workstation lab. Do you see any challenges with this? It would seem the CPU would have enough lanes and perhaps the x16 slot and NVME could operate at 4.0 speeds.
Hi Rene Labbe,
Thank You very Much! Appreciate Your Patience! Takes time to verify PCIe Resources on a Motherboard! Responded to Your first Question on another Video! Biggest challenge will be having to use HighPoint's Web GUI software. Proprietary. However, the Highpoint Bios may be even more daunting. We have another Subscriber whonis using a Highpoint card. I've asked him for feedback. He had issues creating a Bootable RAID.
Otherwise, You should be good to go! Hope that helps! And to reiterate Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Appreciate Your Support!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks much for making the time to address my comment in two different posts. :) I wasn't sure if I needed to post it in the latest video or not so thanks again! I just ordered the gear and will reply back once setup with feedback.
Hi@@renelabbe4171,
Here to help! Working on next Video! Difficult to be in two places at once! Watch those Steps for the Highpoint UEFI Configuration. Max said he had difficulty with that procedure. This is the first Device in a very long time to be able to Append a Bios. And that's how Highpoint achieves Bootable RAID. But now it's about the UEFI. Good Luck!
Your 8 core cpu won't be doing the work to make your Highpoint raid work. That PLX chip on the SSD7505 does that for you. It was a big deal for me. A 32 core Threadripper cost to much. I want it on my 8 core first gen TR and the 16 core TR PRO I'm building.
Hi@@maxhughes5687,
Another FYI. Have You seen this? Yes! TRX40 Lives!
AMD On Threadripper HEDT CPUs: 'Threadripper Isn't Going Anywhere' & 'More Coming'
wccftech.com/amd-on-threadripper-hedt-cpus-threadripper-isnt-going-anywhere-more-coming/