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Celine vs Celine was very powerful to me, but I would will go with Alcryst vs Evil Diamont and Forgado vs Evil Timerra for both dark and sad the moment is.
Alfred: “Damn, no gains here either.” Celine: “YOU F**KING DONKEY!” Diamant: “Prove yourself” Alcryst: “😭can I be more like you” Ivy: “ughhhh” Hortensia: *tries to cure depression* Timerra: “Haha chill out girl” Fogado: “What the actual f***”
Alfred's was absolutely hilarious, I get that he probably knows the context of why there would be another him, but his first thoughts being 'Oh, he's not buff here either, darn it!' is peak hilarity. I love Alfred.
@@MsAnimefan95 Not only offended. I can already see Ivy cringing and rolling her eyes at her evil counterpart. xD It comes complete with the "so done of this crap" expression.
I had Pandero atttack Fogado and he sounded so broken inside (Pandero). It almost made me regret it, giving the priest such a trauma. But Fogado needed to go down.
Celine's conversation with herself is so fkn good I love her snapping and just going "ARE YOU FKN STUPID?!" i dont think ive seen a single instance of her being so angry 10/10
Alt!Fogado is genuinely unsettling. Hearing him express a desire to kill anyone connected to him, for no reason, without dropping his smile and cheerful attitude for even a second is really creepy.
Ngl, most of them ended up that way cause of their retainer’s death. So to prevent Timerra from becoming a vegetarian, don’t get Merrin and Panette killed
ivy and kagetsu’s convo is my favorite. it shows exactly the type of thinking that led evil ivy to becoming the person she was. when elusian royalty are so cutthroat, of *course* her first reaction to kindness would be to assume it fake. she’s a total bitch because that’s how she was taught to survive. poor kagetsu got caught up with that, but his loyalty never faultered
Another explanation is that this world's Kagetsu might be tsundere. Because if he was just like the main game Kagetsu, it would've convinced Fell Ivy that his care for her was genuine. Fell Kagetsu being a tsundere would make sense as to why Ivy thinks he hates her, since he would be sending some mixed signals.
Part of the reason Fell Hortensia hits harder than the other Fell royals is that she uses her voice the same way your Hortensia does. She sounds _exactly_ like your Hortensia does when brokenly depressed, and Hortensia is depressed and serious on multiple occasions. A lot of the other royals sound so out of character that they don't hit the same way. They have the same voice, but they don't use it the same. But Fell Hortensia… yeah. She feels like she could have been your Hortensia, if things had gone differently.
@@fridaynightralsei8495 No, judging from their reactions when the Ryoma and Corrin fight Sumeragi in Revelations, they would do not such thing, they would only lament their passing, but, nothing else. Same when Corrin goes against Mikoto, Corrin's mother. Xander, due to him being a mood, would not go insane. He'd actually be the more serious one and say something more along the lines of "As your lord, I will do my duty to ensure you have a peaceful rest once more." You can tell this due to his duel with Corrin in Birthright. Camilla on the other hand...well, she would most likely go insane with rage at her retainers being brought back as animated undead. Takumi and Leo are also serious, so, they would be only slightly more affected by being forced to fight against their animated retainers/friends/family. Same with Hinoka. It would be Sakura and Elise that would have the most difficulty with it due to how kindhearted they are. That is by going by their personalities overall.
@@forgerofsouls9126 Xander just kinda stopped functioning after accidentally slaying Elise. He just stood there, waiting for Corring to take him down. I suppose it might be similar-ish for his retainers. He might put up a fight, but will definitely have no drive at all.
@@Aurirang He did not stop functioning, he told Corrin to pick up their sword and continued the fight. But, he did hold back and allow Corrin to win out of guilt. But, stop functioning he did not.
Royals: "Are you illusions? Corrupted? Why must I fight the people I love?" Player units: "Actually, we're from another world." Royals: "Imma pretend I didn't hear that"
To be fair, which would you believe first? The people you love have been resurrected as zombies by people known for resurrecting people as zombies, or they came from another world?
"That hooded assassin at Lythos? It was me! :D" You can absolutely *hear* Fell Fogado smiling, it's great. He's having a fantastic time! Unfortunately for everyone else.
Every other royal: *Each one criticizes their doppelganger in some way* The retainers: *Either sad to see their person they serve or in Alt!Ivy's case, just messed up* Alfred: *using his one braincell on muscles*
I honestly can't even say evil Timerra is that evil, she's just a bit of a stick in the mud. Extremely dutiful and serious, but hardly evil. Fogado on the other hand, just wow. It really sheds light on how our Fogado always had good intentions when he acts all cheery
Not really evil. They just flipped the most dominant character trait for each character, and in some cases, that led to them being evil. Ivy normally worships the Divine Dragons, so here she worships the Fell Dragons and their followers are almost always evil. Then you get Hortensia and her retainers. All three of them are obsessed with standing out and other people's perception of them, so this world sees them become really passive and wanting to avoid standing out, which they do by quietly and meekly following Ivy's lead. In fact, I'd actually say Hortensia comes off less evil in this world than she originally did in the main game. Then you have characters like Diamont, who isn't evil in either world, but in ours, he comes across as a confident and capable leader, while Fallen Diamont is uncertain and fearful that he won't make a good King.
@@philipboes1100 I really think that certain dialogue should just forego the fighting entirely. There's no world where Ivy would attack that version of her sister. I know them coming with you isn't Canon, but damn man... godamn..
I mean, after the fight against fell Timerra and fell Ivy, Alear learnt that they were corrupted. So, I guess Ivy wanted her sister's fell version to rest well.
It interesting to see the differences between the royals. Evil-Alcryst despite being implied to want an assasination for the throne genually cares for his retainers, and is racked with guilt over their death. Evil-Fogado seems to have been a little more bloodthirsty and sadistic then the one we know. Evil Ivy was a giant piece of shit, but seemed to have some form of love for her retainers. And Evil Hortesia.... girl needs a hug holy shit
Alter Fogado Is mentally broken because he watched his retainers dying in front of him. For his dialogue with Timerra i don't understand if he had some quarrels or he didn't like her
Damn Zeno Robinson killed it with Evil Fogado. I love that Alter Alcryst even still thinking about how he couldn't protect his retainers. Is it just me but not all the retainers are opposites. It seems Louis still likes tea from Celine's mention and Jade still writes comedies. Yet the Solm and Elusian ones are opposite for most part.
I think it could also be where people have opposite fates instead of just personality. Mauvier, Alear and Veyle for instance. All three of them died in this alt world, but all alive in the regular world
@@OriginalGameteer yeah, it's not that they're all complete opposites, some just have certain aspects changed (and perhaps some, like Mauvier, are largely the same).
"Drew like a dark, fucked up version of the engage royals haha. Just a glimpse into my dark reality. A full stare into my twisted perspective would make most simply go insane lmao"
this xenologue has convinced me that if Celine and Fogado completely lost it, they would slaughter everyone. Honestly, Ivy is so drastically different from her counterpart, I can’t see what made her go down this route in the other universe. Maybe she grew up to be like her mother.
Probably because she used to worship the divine dragon and with that dead all she got is Sombron. Take in consideration this world's condition is way worse than the original which to me makes sense why she would go down this route of complete insanity.
I notice something about celine and fogado A support really shown how they both can do anything "all the way" for their goal. This unique dialogue Alear and Celine really scared me, to the real celine too.
It would imply that in the FX version of the Alear vs Sombron war, Hyacinth joined the Pepsi army instead of Ivy. Furthermore, it may imply that Ivy ran off Hyacinth off his throne and took it for herself. And then started to go full Hera on Hyacinth's illegitemate children save Hortensia because staff mastery.
It's not a "something that happened made them this way" sort of thing. Their personalities are just mirrored (backwards) versions of the ones we know. They were always like this, they just happened to also be friends with Alear, who was probably also pretty messed up in this world.
Well, for me it's pretty clear that Ivy was just being poor judge of characters here. Afterall, he DID sacrified himself to save Ivy. And she say that Kagetsu is as fake as Ever, but ours actually just IS a cheery flirty good man. Or maybe I have that Impression since I Didn't read all his supports.... But considering both Ivy's reaction and Kagetsu's one, I tend to think that Ivy is more wrong than right.
@@coralieboucher7736 Another explanation is that Fell Kagetsu might be tsundere. Our Kagetsu is more open with his love for friends and allies. So a tsundere Kagetsu would certainly send mixed signals and, coupled with how harsh and deceptive the Elusian court, make Ivy think his kindness and loyalty to her were fake and him sacrificing himself was an excuse to get away from her.
Have you seen regular fogado especially with Celine? They're both willing to be pleasant for the kingdom but are ruthless. Here it's the willing to be pleasant part. That part is a sham.
Honestly, given how our Fogado isn't even too surprised at how Fell Fogado acts, it's likely regular Fogado is capable of that too: but he's surrounded by people he cares about, and they balance out any ruthless tendencies he has. But without his retainers, with the stress of the endless warring, and with the extra warping effect on his emotions that being Corrupted has... it's all of his intellect and cunning without any morality to it.
@@daekieisms really? I got the impression that Fogado did seem pretty surprised, though I guess that shock could have just been related to real Fogado realizing that Corrupted Fogado was the hooded assassin. Maybe I haven't been paying attention to the fine details of the game, but I can't remember anything in the main game in terms of story or cutscene where a character's expression changes without them talking. Real Fogado's expression changes twice: from shock when he learns that Corrupted him is the assassin, to anger once he actually realizes what that means. It's a nice touch that makes them seem more lifelike.
@@Sonic2891 yeah really, Pandreo and Fogados support reveals Fogado is tired and fed up with everything, but he just bottles it up. Basically Pandreo and Bunet are there to help him vent. With his 2 best friends dead, his main support-line isn't there to keep his emotions in place
@Kris Marshall I agree with everything you said. I just meant that I think it's open to interpretation whether real Fogado's shocked expression is due to finding out that fake Fogado was the assassin, or that fake Fogado is capable of being an assassin implying that the real one is capable of the same
Seeing the brother's personalities switch is the craziest thing ever. Alcryt being confident and Diamont being a stressful wreck is honestly terrifying.
@@AzulStryer it just counters damage to them like usual. Nearly the entire xenologue is weak to anti-corrupted weapons as well. Sieglinde is extremely useful.
I feel so bad for Alfred. Man has had it rough and is having to fight those closest to him that he had thought had died already. That would mess anyone up.
"Hortensia… What has the Ivy of this world done to you?" That’s extremely! Very! Sad! Ivy’s hatred towards her alternate counterpart is seriously justified. Considering also how Alternate Hortensia has gone through this painful mess.
Fogado being the only person who really realizes how messed up and hard this would be wanting to hug it out. And Fell Hortensia needs a hug poor thing TT-TT
Can I just say how much I love Madeline and Fell Nil’s interaction here? At the very end when he taunts her with how he “killed” Mauvier, she just absolutely *no-sells* him by reminding Nil that it was MAUVIER who made the decision to sacrifice his own life so the other Winds could escape. And Nil looks *genuinely surprised* at that, like it’s not something he considered. He tries to get under her skin and twist the knife, and she doesn’t give him that satisfaction. She doesn’t let him take credit for Mauvier’s sacrifice. I just…this game is HELLA flawed and even the DLC (my favorite part) is not perfect by any means but I just LOVE these characters *so much.* I did not expect to love the Four Winds (especially Madeline) as much as I did.
Everyone: /commenting about their favorite / most memorable quotes Me: /can't get over the fact that this person orchestrated and guided Ivy to Cataclysm 3 units at 12:21 to get 3 quotes at once
I said this in a reply to a comment, but wanted to leave it here too in terms of how much I love the sublety of real Fogado conversing with corrupted Fogado: Maybe I haven't been paying attention to the fine details of the game, but I can't remember anything in the main game in terms of story or cutscene where a character's expression changes without them talking. Real Fogado's expression changes twice: from shock when he learns that Corrupted him is the assassin, to anger once he actually realizes what that means. It's a nice touch that makes them seem more lifelike, IMO
Some of these are actually pretty sad, I especially felt bad for evil Diamant who felt like he couldn't be a great king. And then there's Alfred who's upset by having no muscles, and Ivy's reaction to the way evil Ivy talked was priceless.
@@skillshare385 isn't Fogdao easily one of the saddest? He's been corrupted beyond all repair. His sister is righteous, he must have been as well. At the very least, he wasn't that evil. When you kill him for the final time, he has a long final words and says 'thank you' in Japanese, but for some reason it wasn't translated properly.
Yeah they are worse versions, but I can't help but feel bad for them after they witnessed their own friend's deaths, and I can't help but give Diamant a hug, but Alfred was hilarious.
These darker special conversations reminds me of the Future’s Past in Awakening and Heirs of Fate, but much more down to earth. I love every evil battle single conversation and it moved me a bit. I don’t even care that I haven’t played the DLC yet, I still loved seeing these battle conversations! Great coverage as always PM1!
Honestly love Fogado’s cause he has what I can only describe as a Henry-esque personality with making the pain seem like nothing and super blood and battle obsessed
Ivy said that her mother was a cruel woman whose smile was just like a dagger waiting to be put in someone else's back so the evil Ivy must be like her mother.
Rafal kinda is Xeno Veyle. Veyle is the weak defective child of Sombrom, who only serves him against her will, and she love spices and hate sweets. Rafal was a very powerful son of Sombrom, one that he considered a worthy sucessor, and he fights for Sombrom legacy even after he is long dead and gone, as he wishes to be the Fell Dragon King himself. And he loves sweets and hate spiced food.
I think thats too soon we havent even gotten a second engage banner. I expect a possible fallen M!Shez controlled by Arval and F!Byleth controlled by Sothis from 3hopes and maybe Miklan as a beast unit. GHB unit I could see Morva as an armored dragon. And last maybe Fafnir? I was hoping for Vigarde but they just made him a GHB.
I thiiiiink it's probably a little *too* soon for them to drop a Fallen Engage banner based on the Fell Xenologue, given the Xenologue just released, but I could see them potentially dropping a Fallen F!Alear. (I hope not -- the fact Alear is Sombron's child is a fairly lategame twist!) I do agree with the other commenter in asking for Fallen Shez/Fallen Byleth from Three Hopes, though I doubt it'll happen, given how little love Three Hopes has gotten in general.
@@daekieisms if we get fallen Alear I would hope for male Alear since he's not in FEH yet. Honestly the only fallen unit I'm hoping for is fallen Chrom, I don't have any other predictions 😅
It's a damn shame we didn't get to see more of these evil counterparts. I would've love to see things like an insecure, depressed Goldmary or a version of Yunaka that acts cute to draw in enemies but is actually an absolute monster.
Man, these conversations are far more expanded on the idea of reflected ideas! Sound much more mature and darker to the conversation in the original Engage. Now we wait for the most important aspect for me, the music!
I like these dialogues a lot. Also, Celine has a convo with Eite which surprised me. I just though that I should attack Celine to weaken her, but they have a unique conversation and I didn’t expect it since that’s not her retainer
Guess what. Turns out that Cirtinne also had a scene with Diamant too. I tried that one out yesterday and it was a surprise. Well it's because their cousins.
Damn the twist with why all of them are evil was crazy and I like nils dragon form at the beginning I didn’t like sombron dragon form but somehow I like the snake dragons in engage I just wish Alear had an dragon form like we got robbed especially imagine a snake dragon with divine powers maybe it’s a mix of sombron and lumera dragon form with red and blue that would be nice
One thing I felt like the base game was lacking in was unique boss conversations with characters outside of Alear, so to see this many boss convos in the Fell Xenologue as well as the new characters having unique boss dialogue with bosses from the base game is a real treat.
All the ones with the retainers are honestly really good, and tug at the heartstrings. You really feel like the royals are grieving like hell. It really let all their VA's pop off. Also I like how Evil Fogado seems way more aware of everything going on than the other evil royals.
Honestly, Evil Fogado was pretty good antagonist for the few lines he had. Better than any of the hounds imo Makes me wish he was actually a part of the main game.
If Evil Fogado's statement is true, then Evil Hortensia is even sadder with that fact that corrupted individuals will do whatever it takes to get their desires, without inhibition. Even after everything that happened to her in her life, including her abusive relationship with Evil Ivy, she never wanted revenge or another life like Evil Fogado. All she ever wanted was to be with the people she loved one more time. That's just depressing.
You're missing a few. I know at least Etie has one with Celine and Diamant has one with Citrinne. Not really that consistent in regards to solely being retainers and the other versions of themselves and their sibling.
When they showed that this world would have opposites I thought it would be cool but I did not expect the retainers to be dead and the reactions of each of the royals sound so realistic
I do think it has to do with the fact it's a "mirror" dimension- so all the character's personalities are flipped for the most part on purpose I think?
Fell Celine is regular Celine but more ruthless. Fell Fogado wants to have a good time like regular Fogado, but his idea of a good time is far more extreme.
Does Evil Celine have any interactions with Etie? The two of them are close enough that Etie doesn't have to call Celine "Princess" in private. Additionally, Citrinne is also Diamant's cousin, so one would think they'd interact.
Spoilers: His supports indicate he's secretly fairly ruthless about protecting Solm, Céline's especially highlighting him as someone eager to find out the secrets of other nations. Timerra's somewhat similar, but it's a more pronounced and key aspect of Fogado. Evil Fogado is mostly just a lot more evil, it seems, and eager to kill his own retainers when corrupted. Since he's more aware that he's dead than most of the royals and directly working under the villain, he was probably made a corrupted differently than most of the others, like how Hyacinth and Alear act differently when each is corrupted. Hyacinth doesn't seem to fully realise he's dead and is brainwashed, while Alear isn't brainwashed. Could be that he was specifically altered to be more eager to kill and hurt others.
Considering Firene was already described as being completely different even before the corrupted stuff Fell Fogado might have been a jerk though probably not as much lmao
@@GPhipps you know how you basically spoiled the entire dlc for me ? Yeah whatever i already know everyone was dead first chapter because weapon effective against corrupted are effective against everyone
Which of these "evil" interaction is your favorite?
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Céline vs Céline is easily my favorite.
I discovered Etié Vs Céline
Celine vs Celine was very powerful to me, but I would will go with Alcryst vs Evil Diamont and Forgado vs Evil Timerra for both dark and sad the moment is.
I found out that its not just the people with their retainers and siblings. Citrinne surprisingly has unique dialogue with Diamant.
Evil Merrin: I hate animals.
Alfred: “Damn, no gains here either.”
Celine: “YOU F**KING DONKEY!”
Diamant: “Prove yourself”
Alcryst: “😭can I be more like you”
Ivy: “ughhhh”
Hortensia: *tries to cure depression*
Timerra: “Haha chill out girl”
Fogado: “What the actual f***”
Alfred's was absolutely hilarious, I get that he probably knows the context of why there would be another him, but his first thoughts being 'Oh, he's not buff here either, darn it!' is peak hilarity. I love Alfred.
Alfred, my himbo husband
alfred 4th best husbando. none can beat chrom, gregory, or mauvier
0:06 "Is this some kind of twisted joke?"
fogado has the exact same personality with different morals
@@opalyasu7159 I honestly thought he was about to say that 🤣
We never see him, but I'd like to imagine Fell Jean as aggressively American.
Oh no Alt!Jean is the American healthcare system
Wait, then that makes Fell Anna aggressively communist
He turns into Tank Dempsey from Black Ops Zombies
@@EmperorKimthis comment made me laugh too hard at night 😂
And ironically Anna is Mr. Beast.
Our Alfred is so unbelievably pure that his only concern is that evil him isn't swole. What a legend.
Alfred is just the human equivalent of a golden retriever
And evil alfred is a veteran military dog
…evil alfred was what we thought he was gonna be like from the official art
@@AzulStryer kinda like this alternate Ivy is what we expected from normal Ivy, but I way prefer our Ivy
@@kueyteow6288 i love normal ivy
@@kueyteow6288 That’s why he’s the GOAT
I can't believe Ivy Alter is just exactly what we originally expected her to be like.
she's literally camilla now
I'd argue she's WORSE.
plus, the original's reaction to her evil twin is just so hilarious!
@@GEMerc-su4cc She sounds so genuinely offended.
@@MsAnimefan95 Not only offended. I can already see Ivy cringing and rolling her eyes at her evil counterpart. xD
It comes complete with the "so done of this crap" expression.
Other royals: *angry or sad at their counterpart*
Alfred: “Damn I’m not buff in this world either”
I am currently picturing that right now 😂
I honestly think that Fogado is more disgusted with his evil counterpart.
Evil Bunet not only is a bad cook but actually a good unit
No bench for evil bunet
God i fucking hate Bunet so much
Shoulda got evil Bunet instead.
In other words, he's Elyos Felicia. Since, lore-wise, she's terrible at chores but is an excellent fighter.
@@utlukka950 Which means main timeline Bunet is Elyos Flora. Terrible fighter but good at chores.
Fogado's face when he sees just how deranged his counterpart is says it all. Engage really nailed the facial expressions.
Same with Amber.
I had Pandero atttack Fogado and he sounded so broken inside (Pandero). It almost made me regret it, giving the priest such a trauma. But Fogado needed to go down.
Celine's conversation with herself is so fkn good I love her snapping and just going "ARE YOU FKN STUPID?!" i dont think ive seen a single instance of her being so angry 10/10
Alt!Fogado is genuinely unsettling. Hearing him express a desire to kill anyone connected to him, for no reason, without dropping his smile and cheerful attitude for even a second is really creepy.
When you kill him the third and final time he says thank you. I think he was just completely fucked up by everything.
Why does he have a nose
I think it's kinda funny how genuinely bewildered he sounds when Timerra shows up lmao
Alfred-Traumatized
Diamant-Wimp
Ivy-Psycho
Timerra-Vegetarian
I can’t believe they made Timerra the most evil of them all
I was joking when I said Evil Timerra would be vegetarian. But they actually did it. 😅
Teimerra: It's time to eat your vegetables or it gets the hose again.
@@yosumarainesuable holy shit
Walhart: I like you girl…
Ngl, most of them ended up that way cause of their retainer’s death.
So to prevent Timerra from becoming a vegetarian, don’t get Merrin and Panette killed
I love how relieved Zelkov sounds when evil Ivy shows him her true colors
Zelkov is like a worker finally getting revenge on his employer
They literally brought "evil character" meme to life in this DLC.
Evil timerra be like
Vegetarian
ivy and kagetsu’s convo is my favorite. it shows exactly the type of thinking that led evil ivy to becoming the person she was. when elusian royalty are so cutthroat, of *course* her first reaction to kindness would be to assume it fake. she’s a total bitch because that’s how she was taught to survive. poor kagetsu got caught up with that, but his loyalty never faultered
Stellar analysis
Another explanation is that this world's Kagetsu might be tsundere. Because if he was just like the main game Kagetsu, it would've convinced Fell Ivy that his care for her was genuine.
Fell Kagetsu being a tsundere would make sense as to why Ivy thinks he hates her, since he would be sending some mixed signals.
Fogado is the real G. He knew he was corrupted all along and yet still continue being a menace. I honestly love him more here with how crazy he is.
...I just want to hug Fell Hortensia. And the way she reacted with fear towards Ivy made me want to protect her even more.
And that’s the reason why I’m letting her ship with one of the twins.
And I meant the real Hortensia,
Not that dark phony.
She had it super rough man. Like it’s hard not to feel sorry for her
Even main time line Ivy was like "damn, what happened to her!?"
I don't know about that, Fell Hortensia will attack you
Part of the reason Fell Hortensia hits harder than the other Fell royals is that she uses her voice the same way your Hortensia does. She sounds _exactly_ like your Hortensia does when brokenly depressed, and Hortensia is depressed and serious on multiple occasions. A lot of the other royals sound so out of character that they don't hit the same way. They have the same voice, but they don't use it the same. But Fell Hortensia… yeah. She feels like she could have been your Hortensia, if things had gone differently.
These really hit hard, especially the lords talking to their dead retainers, it kind of makes me wonder how the royals from Fates would react.
I could imagine Xander going insane, while Ryoma would just lament and question his own leadership about Saizo and Kagero's death
I don't want to imagine Camilla's reaction to *that*
@@fridaynightralsei8495 No, judging from their reactions when the Ryoma and Corrin fight Sumeragi in Revelations, they would do not such thing, they would only lament their passing, but, nothing else. Same when Corrin goes against Mikoto, Corrin's mother.
Xander, due to him being a mood, would not go insane. He'd actually be the more serious one and say something more along the lines of "As your lord, I will do my duty to ensure you have a peaceful rest once more." You can tell this due to his duel with Corrin in Birthright.
Camilla on the other hand...well, she would most likely go insane with rage at her retainers being brought back as animated undead.
Takumi and Leo are also serious, so, they would be only slightly more affected by being forced to fight against their animated retainers/friends/family. Same with Hinoka.
It would be Sakura and Elise that would have the most difficulty with it due to how kindhearted they are.
That is by going by their personalities overall.
@@forgerofsouls9126 Xander just kinda stopped functioning after accidentally slaying Elise. He just stood there, waiting for Corring to take him down. I suppose it might be similar-ish for his retainers. He might put up a fight, but will definitely have no drive at all.
@@Aurirang He did not stop functioning, he told Corrin to pick up their sword and continued the fight. But, he did hold back and allow Corrin to win out of guilt. But, stop functioning he did not.
Royals: "Are you illusions? Corrupted? Why must I fight the people I love?"
Player units: "Actually, we're from another world."
Royals: "Imma pretend I didn't hear that"
To be fair, which would you believe first? The people you love have been resurrected as zombies by people known for resurrecting people as zombies, or they came from another world?
@@Boarbatrice Considering the origins of the Emblems, would either explanation be too hard to believe?
@@SilverHairedFreak25 Emblems are like ghosts and their emblems can’t even speak right now.
yeaaaa, lazy as fuck....
Regular Royals: Bruh.
Alternate Royals: Oh shit, magic truly has advanced if Corrupted come in living edition now.
"That hooded assassin at Lythos? It was me! :D" You can absolutely *hear* Fell Fogado smiling, it's great. He's having a fantastic time! Unfortunately for everyone else.
Fell Xenologue Shinon: I’m accepting of everyone just like my best friend Ike.
Oh God this really is the worst timeline
Every other royal: *Each one criticizes their doppelganger in some way*
The retainers: *Either sad to see their person they serve or in Alt!Ivy's case, just messed up*
Alfred: *using his one braincell on muscles*
I honestly can't even say evil Timerra is that evil, she's just a bit of a stick in the mud. Extremely dutiful and serious, but hardly evil.
Fogado on the other hand, just wow. It really sheds light on how our Fogado always had good intentions when he acts all cheery
They’re not evil, they’re opposite.
Not really evil. They just flipped the most dominant character trait for each character, and in some cases, that led to them being evil. Ivy normally worships the Divine Dragons, so here she worships the Fell Dragons and their followers are almost always evil. Then you get Hortensia and her retainers. All three of them are obsessed with standing out and other people's perception of them, so this world sees them become really passive and wanting to avoid standing out, which they do by quietly and meekly following Ivy's lead. In fact, I'd actually say Hortensia comes off less evil in this world than she originally did in the main game. Then you have characters like Diamont, who isn't evil in either world, but in ours, he comes across as a confident and capable leader, while Fallen Diamont is uncertain and fearful that he won't make a good King.
i think it’s more fogado got double corrupted and was the last human to die other then the four winds and two dragons, he also KNOWS he’s a corrupted
She is a vegetarian who hates music too so you have a perfect point
We mean evil as opposites and alters of playable characters we have.
This DLC just made me feel even more sorry for poor Hortensia
Girl can’t catch a break even in another world
Ivys dialog really hurt me
@@philipboes1100 I really think that certain dialogue should just forego the fighting entirely. There's no world where Ivy would attack that version of her sister.
I know them coming with you isn't Canon, but damn man... godamn..
I mean, after the fight against fell Timerra and fell Ivy, Alear learnt that they were corrupted. So, I guess Ivy wanted her sister's fell version to rest well.
It interesting to see the differences between the royals. Evil-Alcryst despite being implied to want an assasination for the throne genually cares for his retainers, and is racked with guilt over their death. Evil-Fogado seems to have been a little more bloodthirsty and sadistic then the one we know. Evil Ivy was a giant piece of shit, but seemed to have some form of love for her retainers. And Evil Hortesia.... girl needs a hug holy shit
so in the alternate universe, alcryst wanted to kill diamant? man's turning into takumi i swear
kagetsu dying for ivy while she just assumes he never cared for her makes me really upset. he’s so sweet why couldn’t she see that :(
Alter Fogado Is mentally broken because he watched his retainers dying in front of him.
For his dialogue with Timerra i don't understand if he had some quarrels or he didn't like her
@@SuperEljafru That probably means that her Kagetsu was a tsundere.
Xeno Hortensia really just needs a therapist with how much she has gone through.
Damn as watching this, this is a lot deeper than I thought.
Seeing the Royals interacting with their dead retainers just hits different
And Timerra and Fogado just lost it
deeper?
it's the exact same in every one.
"you're corrupted/an illusion!! you should be dead!"
"no you're wrong"
"liar"
@@claudeishere5806 lowkey was about to cry watching the video while working out, it just hit that hard
The writers were on fire with these interactions, I just love evil fogado lines
Ah so this is where all the actual competent writing went. Makes sense.
@@chrishunter9185 yeah, i noticed.
I hate the writing of the base game, but this looks FIRE, in comparison at least.
@@justascarecrow6988 Like a certain emblem
Everyone: “Man I really suck in this world”.
Alcryst: Simps himself
@@Someone4now disappointment, followed by enthusiasm to fight his evil self after getting yelled at. Never change Alfred.
Damn Zeno Robinson killed it with Evil Fogado.
I love that Alter Alcryst even still thinking about how he couldn't protect his retainers.
Is it just me but not all the retainers are opposites. It seems Louis still likes tea from Celine's mention and Jade still writes comedies. Yet the Solm and Elusian ones are opposite for most part.
I think it could also be where people have opposite fates instead of just personality. Mauvier, Alear and Veyle for instance. All three of them died in this alt world, but all alive in the regular world
It's possible that other parts of their personalities simply got reversed instead
Such as Alt Jade being alot less stoic
Almost like thats the whole point of the DLC or smth 🗿
@@OriginalGameteer yeah, it's not that they're all complete opposites, some just have certain aspects changed (and perhaps some, like Mauvier, are largely the same).
That's Zeno ?? As in the guy who voices Goh in Pokemon Journeys ?? Holy shit man's got range huh.
"Drew like a dark, fucked up version of the engage royals haha. Just a glimpse into my dark reality. A full stare into my twisted perspective would make most simply go insane lmao"
this xenologue has convinced me that if Celine and Fogado completely lost it, they would slaughter everyone. Honestly, Ivy is so drastically different from her counterpart, I can’t see what made her go down this route in the other universe. Maybe she grew up to be like her mother.
Difference being Celiné would be doing it for her kingdom. Fogado would become a mass murderer just for the fun of it
Probably because she used to worship the divine dragon and with that dead all she got is Sombron. Take in consideration this world's condition is way worse than the original which to me makes sense why she would go down this route of complete insanity.
I notice something about celine and fogado A support really shown how they both can do anything "all the way" for their goal. This unique dialogue Alear and Celine really scared me, to the real celine too.
It would imply that in the FX version of the Alear vs Sombron war, Hyacinth joined the Pepsi army instead of Ivy.
Furthermore, it may imply that Ivy ran off Hyacinth off his throne and took it for herself. And then started to go full Hera on Hyacinth's illegitemate children save Hortensia because staff mastery.
It's not a "something that happened made them this way" sort of thing. Their personalities are just mirrored (backwards) versions of the ones we know. They were always like this, they just happened to also be friends with Alear, who was probably also pretty messed up in this world.
I genuinely can't tell if Kagetsu's a liar in this world, or if he's the same but Ivy was misinterpreting his friendliness as fake.
Well, for me it's pretty clear that Ivy was just being poor judge of characters here. Afterall, he DID sacrified himself to save Ivy. And she say that Kagetsu is as fake as Ever, but ours actually just IS a cheery flirty good man. Or maybe I have that Impression since I Didn't read all his supports.... But considering both Ivy's reaction and Kagetsu's one, I tend to think that Ivy is more wrong than right.
@@coralieboucher7736 Another explanation is that Fell Kagetsu might be tsundere.
Our Kagetsu is more open with his love for friends and allies. So a tsundere Kagetsu would certainly send mixed signals and, coupled with how harsh and deceptive the Elusian court, make Ivy think his kindness and loyalty to her were fake and him sacrificing himself was an excuse to get away from her.
I like Lapis the best, "No matter where you end up, you will always be wonderful just the way you are"
Ivy seeing her alternate self is hilarious! But I'm surprised that Alternate Fogado is a total psycho!
Have you seen regular fogado especially with Celine?
They're both willing to be pleasant for the kingdom but are ruthless.
Here it's the willing to be pleasant part. That part is a sham.
Honestly, given how our Fogado isn't even too surprised at how Fell Fogado acts, it's likely regular Fogado is capable of that too: but he's surrounded by people he cares about, and they balance out any ruthless tendencies he has. But without his retainers, with the stress of the endless warring, and with the extra warping effect on his emotions that being Corrupted has... it's all of his intellect and cunning without any morality to it.
@@daekieisms really? I got the impression that Fogado did seem pretty surprised, though I guess that shock could have just been related to real Fogado realizing that Corrupted Fogado was the hooded assassin.
Maybe I haven't been paying attention to the fine details of the game, but I can't remember anything in the main game in terms of story or cutscene where a character's expression changes without them talking. Real Fogado's expression changes twice: from shock when he learns that Corrupted him is the assassin, to anger once he actually realizes what that means. It's a nice touch that makes them seem more lifelike.
@@Sonic2891 yeah really, Pandreo and Fogados support reveals Fogado is tired and fed up with everything, but he just bottles it up. Basically Pandreo and Bunet are there to help him vent. With his 2 best friends dead, his main support-line isn't there to keep his emotions in place
@Kris Marshall I agree with everything you said. I just meant that I think it's open to interpretation whether real Fogado's shocked expression is due to finding out that fake Fogado was the assassin, or that fake Fogado is capable of being an assassin implying that the real one is capable of the same
Seeing the brother's personalities switch is the craziest thing ever. Alcryt being confident and Diamont being a stressful wreck is honestly terrifying.
You can spoil the 'everyone is corrupted' plot twist if one of your units has 'Holy Stance' equipped and one of the royals attacks you.
That happened to me. I thought it was a lore-breaking bug though
Bruh you can just check their stats and they are corrupted...
What does holy stance do to a fell xenologue evil!character
@@AzulStryer it just counters damage to them like usual. Nearly the entire xenologue is weak to anti-corrupted weapons as well. Sieglinde is extremely useful.
Also spoiled myself, by being too curious when checking the AU Royals, as their classes show the little corrupted icon besides the ubique fell classes
I feel so bad for Alfred. Man has had it rough and is having to fight those closest to him that he had thought had died already. That would mess anyone up.
"Hortensia… What has the Ivy of this world done to you?"
That’s extremely! Very! Sad! Ivy’s hatred towards her alternate counterpart is seriously justified. Considering also how Alternate Hortensia has gone through this painful mess.
Perfect description of “You’re Weak! I Am You, But Evil!”
~I'll Face Myself~ intensifies
Fogado being the only person who really realizes how messed up and hard this would be wanting to hug it out.
And Fell Hortensia needs a hug poor thing TT-TT
Alfred's va is amazing... The emotions, holy shit
Yeah Nick Wolfhard is great
Can I just say how much I love Madeline and Fell Nil’s interaction here? At the very end when he taunts her with how he “killed” Mauvier, she just absolutely *no-sells* him by reminding Nil that it was MAUVIER who made the decision to sacrifice his own life so the other Winds could escape.
And Nil looks *genuinely surprised* at that, like it’s not something he considered.
He tries to get under her skin and twist the knife, and she doesn’t give him that satisfaction. She doesn’t let him take credit for Mauvier’s sacrifice.
I just…this game is HELLA flawed and even the DLC (my favorite part) is not perfect by any means but I just LOVE these characters *so much.* I did not expect to love the Four Winds (especially Madeline) as much as I did.
28:45 if ya’ll wanna see it
29:14 Nil’s expression changes when Marni says that Mauvier chose to die for the four hounds
Madeline my GOAT 😤
timerra being a vegetarian is more tragic than half of the deaths here
i am bawling this is devastating
Everyone: /commenting about their favorite / most memorable quotes
Me: /can't get over the fact that this person orchestrated and guided Ivy to Cataclysm 3 units at 12:21 to get 3 quotes at once
Evil Fogado is...
WOW.
Evil Fogado is literally "Intrusive thoughts won"
There's the angst Engage needed.
Alfredn’t: “Damn it, those damned fell dragons, they have deceived me yet again”
Alfred: “no muscle :c”
I said this in a reply to a comment, but wanted to leave it here too in terms of how much I love the sublety of real Fogado conversing with corrupted Fogado:
Maybe I haven't been paying attention to the fine details of the game, but I can't remember anything in the main game in terms of story or cutscene where a character's expression changes without them talking. Real Fogado's expression changes twice: from shock when he learns that Corrupted him is the assassin, to anger once he actually realizes what that means. It's a nice touch that makes them seem more lifelike, IMO
Some of these are actually pretty sad, I especially felt bad for evil Diamant who felt like he couldn't be a great king. And then there's Alfred who's upset by having no muscles, and Ivy's reaction to the way evil Ivy talked was priceless.
I think Zelkov's was better as far as the Ivy conversations go. Just him going "I can't believe what i am *hearing*" was so good
All of the Hortensia ones bring an absolute tear to my eye...
and then...there's Fogado.
Alfred is probably disappointed that he isn’t the epitome of good health
@@skillshare385 isn't Fogdao easily one of the saddest? He's been corrupted beyond all repair.
His sister is righteous, he must have been as well. At the very least, he wasn't that evil. When you kill him for the final time, he has a long final words and says 'thank you' in Japanese, but for some reason it wasn't translated properly.
Yeah they are worse versions, but I can't help but feel bad for them after they witnessed their own friend's deaths, and I can't help but give Diamant a hug, but Alfred was hilarious.
"cute things don't really suit me"
She really is evil
It feels like that her want for cute things was brutally beaten out of her by the Alternate Ivy.
Fogado and evil timerra conversation made me cry a lot. And it’s also because fogado is my favorite unit and love him.
Evil Fogado is my favorite, he’s just randomly this murder crazed psycho, in this campy, self-aware way.
These darker special conversations reminds me of the Future’s Past in Awakening and Heirs of Fate, but much more down to earth.
I love every evil battle single conversation and it moved me a bit.
I don’t even care that I haven’t played the DLC yet, I still loved seeing these battle conversations!
Great coverage as always PM1!
Honestly love Fogado’s cause he has what I can only describe as a Henry-esque personality with making the pain seem like nothing and super blood and battle obsessed
Evil Alfred: Is this some kind of twisted joke?!
Our Alfred: Huh, seems like I'm not buff in this world too
Me(Talking to the real Alfred): This Alfred is nothing but a doppelgänger of yourself,
Fight against him and destroy him!😠
Ivy said that her mother was a cruel woman whose smile was just like a dagger waiting to be put in someone else's back so the evil Ivy must be like her mother.
The voice actors really gave their A game here.
Rafal kinda is Xeno Veyle. Veyle is the weak defective child of Sombrom, who only serves him against her will, and she love spices and hate sweets.
Rafal was a very powerful son of Sombrom, one that he considered a worthy sucessor, and he fights for Sombrom legacy even after he is long dead and gone, as he wishes to be the Fell Dragon King himself. And he loves sweets and hate spiced food.
These are really cool and really sad at the same time. Evil Fogado is pretty scary ngl. So... fallen engage characters next month in FEH or too soon?
I think thats too soon we havent even gotten a second engage banner.
I expect a possible fallen M!Shez controlled by Arval and F!Byleth controlled by Sothis from 3hopes and maybe Miklan as a beast unit. GHB unit
I could see Morva as an armored dragon.
And last maybe Fafnir?
I was hoping for Vigarde but they just made him a GHB.
I thiiiiink it's probably a little *too* soon for them to drop a Fallen Engage banner based on the Fell Xenologue, given the Xenologue just released, but I could see them potentially dropping a Fallen F!Alear. (I hope not -- the fact Alear is Sombron's child is a fairly lategame twist!) I do agree with the other commenter in asking for Fallen Shez/Fallen Byleth from Three Hopes, though I doubt it'll happen, given how little love Three Hopes has gotten in general.
@@daekieisms if we get fallen Alear I would hope for male Alear since he's not in FEH yet. Honestly the only fallen unit I'm hoping for is fallen Chrom, I don't have any other predictions 😅
I am honestly hurt by the complete lack of Veyle reactions
All of these were actually kind of horrorfying, absolutely loving it though. Gonna have a good time playing through this!
This is exactly what I’ve been looking for!
Alt timerra vs fogado and pandreo vs Alt fogado really cut deep
It's a damn shame we didn't get to see more of these evil counterparts. I would've love to see things like an insecure, depressed Goldmary or a version of Yunaka that acts cute to draw in enemies but is actually an absolute monster.
Man, these conversations are far more expanded on the idea of reflected ideas! Sound much more mature and darker to the conversation in the original Engage.
Now we wait for the most important aspect for me, the music!
I like these dialogues a lot. Also, Celine has a convo with Eite which surprised me. I just though that I should attack Celine to weaken her, but they have a unique conversation and I didn’t expect it since that’s not her retainer
Well I think supports indicate that Celine and Etie are actually close friends. Thank goodness they add convos to closely related characters
Guess what. Turns out that Cirtinne also had a scene with Diamant too. I tried that one out yesterday and it was a surprise. Well it's because their cousins.
Damn the twist with why all of them are evil was crazy and I like nils dragon form at the beginning I didn’t like sombron dragon form but somehow I like the snake dragons in engage I just wish Alear had an dragon form like we got robbed especially imagine a snake dragon with divine powers maybe it’s a mix of sombron and lumera dragon form with red and blue that would be nice
Maybe it’ll end up in heroes?
I mean we get it with Tiki Engage
Is this some kind of twisted...
Dimitri: joke?
Alfred: illusion?
Nil: attempt at humor?
One thing I felt like the base game was lacking in was unique boss conversations with characters outside of Alear, so to see this many boss convos in the Fell Xenologue as well as the new characters having unique boss dialogue with bosses from the base game is a real treat.
All the ones with the retainers are honestly really good, and tug at the heartstrings. You really feel like the royals are grieving like hell. It really let all their VA's pop off.
Also I like how Evil Fogado seems way more aware of everything going on than the other evil royals.
Alfred looking at his Xenologue self: "Got damn even in this world my base stats suck"
Evil Alfred: ARE YOU AN ILLUSION OF THE FELL DRAGON?! >:(
Normal Alfred: ...Aw, I'm still not buff. :(
Alt Fogado is my fave villain archetype: cheerful nutjob
Lowkey Alfred with Alear, Lapic and Citrinne with evil Alycrist give me ‘i love you in every universe’ type of vibe. May it be platonic or romantic.
Honestly, Evil Fogado was pretty good antagonist for the few lines he had. Better than any of the hounds imo Makes me wish he was actually a part of the main game.
If Evil Fogado's statement is true, then Evil Hortensia is even sadder with that fact that corrupted individuals will do whatever it takes to get their desires, without inhibition. Even after everything that happened to her in her life, including her abusive relationship with Evil Ivy, she never wanted revenge or another life like Evil Fogado. All she ever wanted was to be with the people she loved one more time.
That's just depressing.
You're missing a few. I know at least Etie has one with Celine and Diamant has one with Citrinne. Not really that consistent in regards to solely being retainers and the other versions of themselves and their sibling.
The only one I missed are Etie vs Celine & Citrenne vs Diamant. I'll soon upload those!
The real girlboss Ivy was the one we had this whole time.
Zelkov’s interaction with Ivy was hard as fuck.
Anyone else wanna comment on Celine wanting to fight Alear to the death? Could that be insight to the Celine we know?
Well these are just our group if they had their spirits broken, so... yeah probably
Yeah holy shit Celine just keeps most of her feelings to herself in our world I guess
But what would the insight be? That Celine wants to fight Alear or that she doesn't? They are opposites.
I never payed attention until now, but Bunnett sounds scary, and it being applied he is a cannibal is even scarier
I love how Celine is verbally agressing her other self without any compassion 😂😂
Oh, it's out already. Thank you for uploading these. It is gonna be..painful.=(
When they showed that this world would have opposites I thought it would be cool but I did not expect the retainers to be dead and the reactions of each of the royals sound so realistic
"I'll do ANYTHING for the betterment of my people...except invade Brodia, I guess. A CURSE UPON YOU AND YOUR COFFEE-LOVING WAYS!"
Saphir is like: hol up, i died? Well anyways
For most of them it understandable why they sound messed up but the most brutal one is definitely fogado towards his retainers
Some of these feel completely out of character and insane, and then there are Celine and Fogaddo where I'm like, "...Yeah that tracks."
I do think it has to do with the fact it's a "mirror" dimension- so all the character's personalities are flipped for the most part on purpose I think?
Fell Celine is regular Celine but more ruthless.
Fell Fogado wants to have a good time like regular Fogado, but his idea of a good time is far more extreme.
Canon Ivy and Fell Hortensia's is chilling. The pure shock and horror in Ivy's voice as she meets her alternate little sister is heartbreaking.
Does Evil Celine have any interactions with Etie? The two of them are close enough that Etie doesn't have to call Celine "Princess" in private. Additionally, Citrinne is also Diamant's cousin, so one would think they'd interact.
Celine and Etie do in fact have a conversation. I didn’t expect it when I went to finish the map.
I believe Cittrine and Diamant do indeed have a conversation
@@SteelPokeNinja They do indeed. They are cousins after all
The only one I missed are Etie vs Celine & Citrenne vs Diamant. I'll soon upload those!
@@Pheonixmaster1 Are there other special dialogues with other retainers or is it just those two exceptions?
18:12
Doesn't immediately die.
"I shall do the nice thing and end you in two relatively painless strikes."
"YOU BROKE MY ARM!"
Altfred: (Having a mental breakdown.)
Alfred: Did I skip leg day?
Most replayed:
Good Ivy: Please tell me I don't sound anything like you...
Man evil fogado is really evil is it because he is corrupted or was he originally such a jerk
Spoilers:
His supports indicate he's secretly fairly ruthless about protecting Solm, Céline's especially highlighting him as someone eager to find out the secrets of other nations. Timerra's somewhat similar, but it's a more pronounced and key aspect of Fogado.
Evil Fogado is mostly just a lot more evil, it seems, and eager to kill his own retainers when corrupted. Since he's more aware that he's dead than most of the royals and directly working under the villain, he was probably made a corrupted differently than most of the others, like how Hyacinth and Alear act differently when each is corrupted. Hyacinth doesn't seem to fully realise he's dead and is brainwashed, while Alear isn't brainwashed. Could be that he was specifically altered to be more eager to kill and hurt others.
Considering Firene was already described as being completely different even before the corrupted stuff Fell Fogado might have been a jerk though probably not as much lmao
@@GPhipps you know how you basically spoiled the entire dlc for me ? Yeah whatever i already know everyone was dead first chapter because weapon effective against corrupted are effective against everyone
Now I'm curious, which Engage weapon revealed that? Seraphim? Sieglinde?
@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607 might also be the ui. By checking a boss or i think just any enemy you can see the Effective: Corrupted icon.
Guess for Alfred that illusion was.........some kind of *twisted joke*
Damn you can actually see Chloe’s face changed when she was told she was dead in their world.
“I’m sure you did you’re best.”
“No matter where we end up. You will always be wonderful”
Those two lines always hit so herd