Happy chaos is hard 😆. Alot of his optimal conversions are pretty execution heavy and if he loses neutral it minus we'll be ggs. The only simple thing about him is probably his zoning.
@@spicyluvsyou and the zoning was the thing people hated the most. I'm not saying his optimal shit isn't hard, it's just that the part most people were annoyed with wasn't that hard.
I should be surprised but this is the FGC where everything is absolute. A new character means he’s either broken top tier and needs to be nerfed or he’s trash bottom tier unviable and needs desperate buffs. I’m amazed these people are able to discern this without hesitation within a week of the characters release.
I started off disappointed and not really liking him the first day or two. I've gotten more into the swing of things at this point and he is a fun character. Something I've noticed though are his specials seem to get stuffed really easily, I couldn't seem to get elk hunt or beak driver out much when playing against Bridget, Anji, anyone with forward moving specials. They seem to have priority unless they try and react super late and I hit them in startup frames. I still think he could do with just 1 more bar for his flag or actual regeneration upon eating but he isn't quite as bad as I first thought. At this point anyway maybe things will change once opponents learn the matchup a bit more.
you know diaphone i'll have to give it up for the glue teir list. it wasn't what i was expecting cause i was in your chat and knew of the glue eater meme you guys was rolling. that was a fun surprise and made the video for me lol
Ikr it’s hilarious seeing how people are trying to determine his strength despite him only being out for like 4 days lmaoooo strive players are very impatient.
It's almost like a few days isn't enough to get a full grasp of a character's placement in the meta or something. People are so quick to jump onto bad faith. Like the good ol' days where people that HC had a bad match up with Potemkin. True wild west days those were.
With the gift of hindsight twitter people were finally right about a new character, sin has been stuggling a lot. Ngl most of this tournament was just knowledge checks that people don’t fall for anymore nowadays
As I sin main i feel disgusted that I didn't relied I could chain 5K into 2D then DP. I'm even more disgusted with myself for not realizing that 5K is something I need to use more
Yeah people were definitely dooming a lil hard. He has weaknesses but he's still a good character. Not super top tier but definitely not bottom tier garbage like some were saying.
I have heard nobody say Sin was trash except Xrd players but like...isn't everyone toned down? Where have you been? Sin looks nasty between whiff punishing, mixup, and frame trapping potential
He seems alright, but still disappointing to me. Wish eat was better. I like doing a setup move on oki and his mechanic isn’t really worth it. Far slash and beak driver being so punishable but other characters have such good far slashes also seems kinda wrong.
Anyone worth their salt does not jump on the knee jerk responses of twitter and agree with their conclusions. So many people out here dogging on sin kiske like the man can't convert a whiff punish into a free wall break with RTL not to mention clean hit tyrant barrel does truck loads of damage when you kara cancel off of any of your specials.
Sins not trash but you can clearly see they washed to gimp him for strive and I think they might of went to far. Beak driver hurt box is at the tip of his flag His food meter is to small for consistent pressure (all strive characters have consistent pressure strings) RTL can’t be used as an ender for buttons that use stamina. He needs some buffs
His mid range pokes and mix up options are fucking insane. His can literally out poke most of the characters in this game follow up with beaker driver and stamina follow up and corner carry at round start, and not to mention he has one of the best backdashes in the game. Sin does NOT need buffs but I do think his beaker driver hurtbox goes way too low and they should fix it but besides that he's a top tier for sure no buffs needed
Question about DLC’s. How badly do skill gaps effect DLC characters? Like if the best ky player practiced with ky since guilty gear was released, and than the best sin player started practicing with sin since the moment his character was introduced, how long would it take for the best sin player to match the skills and experience of the best ky player?
Pays not to listen to people on twitter they also said Nago and HC weren't very good when people started playing them now they are the most oppressive characters in the game. People really should focus on developing characters first before making these claims.
i dont think sin is trash at all. he seems pretty nice except his far slash. the startup and recovery are kinda harsh considering the buffs others characters got. that being said he has beak driver so eh it’s kinda whatever.
After the framedata on dustloop got updated, I also think he's really good; he's got all the tools for different situations. It's not easy to play because his tools are somewhat specific (e.g. only 2P is actually 5f, while you can mash with more different stuff on other characters)
@@tehjargonz0r seems like everyone is enjoying him for the most part but from my experience in game he Just has easy tools. longrange. very fast attacks and nonstop pressure while using about 3-4 attacks.
May has to be one the wackest character in Strive... the combo at 20:05 uses 2 fking moves and a super and it deletes a health bar. Idk, just feels undeserved. #fukMay
How does winning using a character month one when no one had any matchup knowledge prove the point he isn’t low tier lmao? Also aged like milk, 4 months later and it’s even more accepted that he’s bottom tier
@@hihihihihi7889 @Chris Alley her parry, her tether and her wall bounce air combo semi-reminiscent of Xrd (imo) would put her above him in uniqueness. Not by much tho
@@Swahmee_salami Baiken has some nuance stuff but like she’s incredibly bland and basic when optimized. And her neutral is incredibly boring as well to both play and watch imo. Mained her for awhile and it was tiring.
@@Swahmee_salami meh, diff game people gotta stop comparing it to xrd and look at it like a new title because not only did they make it grossly apparent that it’s gonna be developed for accessibility, but most the charas they brought over don’t play anywhere near like they did in previous titles lol hopefully they’ll add more specials soon maybe even in winter patch but can only wait and see heh
Dad taught Sin the importance of corner carry, Grandpa taught him about positive frames and mom taught him about setplay. Sin's always growing
Mom forgot to show on strive sadly
Very well said 🤣
@@walabixha1746 to be fair grandma also taught him setplay
@@hadal_hex Jack'O teaching Sin math through frame data
@@walabixha1746 el
5:01 "You can take my life, but you can't take my BURST!" - May Wallace, 2022
Whether he's good or bad the character is definitely sick as hell
I always felt bad for Sin getting the most disrespect out of all Strive characters
People also said Nago was Trash, HC was too hard, Stun Dipper sucks, etc. I usually find that whatever twitter says, the opposite is usually true.
Happy chaos is hard 😆. Alot of his optimal conversions are pretty execution heavy and if he loses neutral it minus we'll be ggs.
The only simple thing about him is probably his zoning.
@@spicyluvsyou and the zoning was the thing people hated the most. I'm not saying his optimal shit isn't hard, it's just that the part most people were annoyed with wasn't that hard.
@@KiskeFriedChicken he can't even do it consistently if he can't get wallbreak with super. He's not really someone you can just pick up and do well.
The opposite wasn’t true at all this time, sin really is struggling
Twitter this, twitter that, you definitely deserve whats coming.
WHO said sin is trash? Downplayers never sleep lmao
Apparently peeps on Twitter. Like always lol
I should be surprised but this is the FGC where everything is absolute. A new character means he’s either broken top tier and needs to be nerfed or he’s trash bottom tier unviable and needs desperate buffs. I’m amazed these people are able to discern this without hesitation within a week of the characters release.
Every character is both the most broken one to have come out yet and an unplayable pile of garbage on release
I'm guessing you don't have twitter... so many people lol
I think people look at raw frame data and jump to conclusions without considering mindgames and set play. The dude has some fun and really easy mixes
I started off disappointed and not really liking him the first day or two. I've gotten more into the swing of things at this point and he is a fun character. Something I've noticed though are his specials seem to get stuffed really easily, I couldn't seem to get elk hunt or beak driver out much when playing against Bridget, Anji, anyone with forward moving specials. They seem to have priority unless they try and react super late and I hit them in startup frames. I still think he could do with just 1 more bar for his flag or actual regeneration upon eating but he isn't quite as bad as I first thought. At this point anyway maybe things will change once opponents learn the matchup a bit more.
You mean like Kickstart my Heart?
@@gidofter_lukge Exactly that yeah
Ggs ggs it was fun as hell🤜🏾🤛🏼i need to grind this MU lol
You literally made me want to pick up this game again and this character. Wow.
you know diaphone i'll have to give it up for the glue teir list. it wasn't what i was expecting cause i was in your chat and knew of the glue eater meme you guys was rolling. that was a fun surprise and made the video for me lol
Watched your run on backpacks channel.
Cool to see your perspective here
Good part starts at 59:00
Biggest flex and I love it! Congrats!
They also said this about Nago and Happy Chaos, and Ram, and..... .-.
5:53 gives me Vietnam flashbacks from when i started playing, cause i played zato and my friends played sin
Maybe they'll have a better idea of how good he is after he's been out more then a week.
Ikr it’s hilarious seeing how people are trying to determine his strength despite him only being out for like 4 days lmaoooo strive players are very impatient.
Well they were right lmao
Sin looks really sick. Definitely gonna try him out if I play Strive again (though I'd have to get the 2nd DLC pass).
I just got this game at the end of January with goals of playing a local tournie in march. Wish me luck
YO! That mustache is looking great on you! Take care Diaphone_!
i mightve clicked this for sin, but i stayed for the glue tier list
The Glue Tier List was so funny!
Cool video and GGs on the tourney!
Yeees, was waiting for the video of the tournament :D
Now do Potemkin.
Also, raw glue sticks are the ideal trail snack. Perfect for those long hikes.
It's almost like a few days isn't enough to get a full grasp of a character's placement in the meta or something. People are so quick to jump onto bad faith. Like the good ol' days where people that HC had a bad match up with Potemkin. True wild west days those were.
With the gift of hindsight twitter people were finally right about a new character, sin has been stuggling a lot. Ngl most of this tournament was just knowledge checks that people don’t fall for anymore nowadays
his floor his high but his ceiling is definitely capped with recovery issues
I love Mays legally distinct version of "Lifestyles of the rich and famous" by good charlotte. It's always my dojo song.
thank you so much for all you do just to entertain us !!
19:30 pre patch beachball was one of the moves of all time
As I sin main i feel disgusted that I didn't relied I could chain 5K into 2D then DP. I'm even more disgusted with myself for not realizing that 5K is something I need to use more
I love that the final boss of the tournament was maid outfit Axl
None of these comments aged well💀
These comments did not age well
I like your mustache. Lookin clean!
Nothing tickles my fancy more than dash canceling into throw after a blocked dp
This is the most "RUclips" like title I've seen ona fgc vid Ina while 😭
Impressive for a title without all CAPS too
@@Diaphone LMFAOOO
That losers final was wild
"I played a Guilty Gear tournament without bursting"
Yeah people were definitely dooming a lil hard. He has weaknesses but he's still a good character. Not super top tier but definitely not bottom tier garbage like some were saying.
Lower level scrubs always got an opinion about a brand new character..
I have heard nobody say Sin was trash except Xrd players but like...isn't everyone toned down? Where have you been? Sin looks nasty between whiff punishing, mixup, and frame trapping potential
Diaphone really just nice like that 😭
like the mustache, more than no moustache
He seems alright, but still disappointing to me. Wish eat was better. I like doing a setup move on oki and his mechanic isn’t really worth it. Far slash and beak driver being so punishable but other characters have such good far slashes also seems kinda wrong.
Diaphone! When are we getting the Sin 101 guide!!
Soon :)
@@Diaphone From one fellow NJ guy to another thanks man you da real MVP. Always out here helping us learn the fun characters. We appreciate you!
That's the most Sin thing to do.
20:09 Holy smokes
Now he's better
Bro you look so good with the mustache tbh
He’s one of the best characters in the game
Anyone worth their salt does not jump on the knee jerk responses of twitter and agree with their conclusions. So many people out here dogging on sin kiske like the man can't convert a whiff punish into a free wall break with RTL not to mention clean hit tyrant barrel does truck loads of damage when you kara cancel off of any of your specials.
Can't wait for Sin mods with the World Champion country flag
Diaphone looks like Luigi with the mustache
Gotta ask, where did you get that wallpaper?
Sins not trash but you can clearly see they washed to gimp him for strive and I think they might of went to far.
Beak driver hurt box is at the tip of his flag
His food meter is to small for consistent pressure (all strive characters have consistent pressure strings)
RTL can’t be used as an ender for buttons that use stamina.
He needs some buffs
His mid range pokes and mix up options are fucking insane. His can literally out poke most of the characters in this game follow up with beaker driver and stamina follow up and corner carry at round start, and not to mention he has one of the best backdashes in the game. Sin does NOT need buffs but I do think his beaker driver hurtbox goes way too low and they should fix it but besides that he's a top tier for sure no buffs needed
why is he speaking from experience about the glue tierlist bruh 😭
Least intelligent glue eater:
11:37 The Eddie Space Program
Yooo I was the zato ggs I flubbed that so hard lol
Sin literally looks so oppressive why are people calling him trash
I watched the video for the tier list tbh
WHO SAID SIN IS BAD??? THIS CHARACTER IS DUMB
Diaphone showing again that he is simply the best
How long did it take you to become a top tier player at strive?
Yeah, that's cool, but can you beat Daigo?
Where's 👏 That 👏 Glue 👏Tier 👏List 👏 ?
Anyway, love your Sin and congrats for representing all glue eaters out there, we needed it
Are these sets best of 5? Is this standard or just for online?
Standard for all tournies yea
34:00 what a guy
45:26 what happened to faust meter?
Strive twitter cracks me up, the character has been out for four days as of the writing of this comment and apparently he's trash
Question about DLC’s. How badly do skill gaps effect DLC characters? Like if the best ky player practiced with ky since guilty gear was released, and than the best sin player started practicing with sin since the moment his character was introduced, how long would it take for the best sin player to match the skills and experience of the best ky player?
Pays not to listen to people on twitter they also said Nago and HC weren't very good when people started playing them now they are the most oppressive characters in the game. People really should focus on developing characters first before making these claims.
May with the next level mindgames
i dont think sin is trash at all. he seems pretty nice except his far slash. the startup and recovery are kinda harsh considering the buffs others characters got. that being said he has beak driver so eh it’s kinda whatever.
Twitter is a place where common sense goes to die.
Power of 5 year old UNLEASHED
I know nothing of this Game, but how could be he bad, he is hot af
He’s 5 years old…
@@bigw69420billion in what universe is that a 5 years old
@@PoroLover512 In the guilty gear universe. Since Sin quarter gear he ages very rapidly. His mom is like ten and is half gear
@@bigw69420billion bruh
its like saying nago is trash on release.
I don't get how people are saying Sin is trash. He has pressure almost as good as Chip and high low mixups. 🤷🏼♂ 👀
Elmer purple glitter is the best glue
How is it trash, his kit was awesome, I'm not even play competitively but yeah, the kinda new but old sin is kinda dope
Paste!!!!
Forget the video I gotta comment on the title. Who was out here saying Sin was trash?
After the framedata on dustloop got updated, I also think he's really good; he's got all the tools for different situations. It's not easy to play because his tools are somewhat specific (e.g. only 2P is actually 5f, while you can mash with more different stuff on other characters)
Not really? Most characters have one exclusive 5/4 framers. Only ones that have the privilege of multi mash are 3framers like Sol and Chipp.
Dont see enough people eating food :(
hes not bad
dude is way too fast for his own good
Sin is trash, but that doesn't mean he's useless.
Trash or not, he’s super fun
OK but can you beat Goku tho
It isn't that Sin is trash Twitter is trash with every character lmao
so we are gonna act like he is t the most simple character in the game?
is that the main criticism of Sin? i'm out of the loop, wondering why people think he's trash
@@tehjargonz0r seems like everyone is enjoying him for the most part but from my experience in game he Just has easy tools. longrange. very fast attacks and nonstop pressure while using about 3-4 attacks.
Put some meat on those bones!
May has to be one the wackest character in Strive... the combo at 20:05 uses 2 fking moves and a super and it deletes a health bar. Idk, just feels undeserved. #fukMay
uh thats every characters whose only offense is strike/throw. sol may nago gio ky all do damage
It’s kind of her identity at this point. I both hate it and don’t mind.
>twitter
How does winning using a character month one when no one had any matchup knowledge prove the point he isn’t low tier lmao? Also aged like milk, 4 months later and it’s even more accepted that he’s bottom tier
Since when do peeps actually listen to Twitter? (The dumb side of twitter)
This video didn't age well at all because he's actually the worst character in the game as of right now
Sin trash??? Like why??
Not trash, he's jus basic af imo. Tho he's the least unique dlc character so far, he's still kind of fun 🤷🏾♂️
I don't see how he's less unique than baiken
@@hihihihihi7889 @Chris Alley her parry, her tether and her wall bounce air combo semi-reminiscent of Xrd (imo) would put her above him in uniqueness. Not by much tho
@@Swahmee_salami Baiken has some nuance stuff but like she’s incredibly bland and basic when optimized. And her neutral is incredibly boring as well to both play and watch imo. Mained her for awhile and it was tiring.
@@stairwaytoriven3823 I agree. All characters had so many things taken away from them
@@Swahmee_salami meh, diff game people gotta stop comparing it to xrd and look at it like a new title because not only did they make it grossly apparent that it’s gonna be developed for accessibility, but most the charas they brought over don’t play anywhere near like they did in previous titles lol hopefully they’ll add more specials soon maybe even in winter patch but can only wait and see heh
who lied and said sin was garbage? bro is literally a mix god.
Copium on max settings💀
Bro Sin isn’t anything game changing but bro is nowhere close to bad