Ultimates 3 #1-2 - Atop the Fourth Wall
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Ultimately incestuous! Ultimately banal! Ultimately confusing!
Originally uploaded January 25th, 2010.
RUMINATIONS: Doing Ultimates 3 before doing Ultimatum was just as much for myself as it was for the audience. At the time, I was under the impression that people didn't want to hear about the comics history and just wanted to get on with the reviews (hence the creation of the Continuity Alarm - it wasn't there whenever a continuity issue arose; it existed to prevent me from talking about excessive continuity instead of getting on with it).
However, as I've brought up on many occasions, I'm not a fan of the Ultimate Universe. I'll freely admit that Ultimate Spider-Man is great. I've read some of it and it's good stuff, but it's not what I'm looking for in a Spider-Man comic because I'm not really all that interested in all his teenager issues. However, the rest of the Ultimate Universe? Eesh. Admittedly, I haven't read very many of the other titles, but everything that I've read about them (and what I HAVE read) does not paint a picture of the kind of universe I'm interested in. It's written like an excuse to have every kind of dark, sadistic, overly gruesome and violent and "shock" idea put to paper all in the veneer of being "mature." The Ultimates is probably one of the prime examples of that. It's so... joyless. They're not BAD, but they're not anything I really want to reread any time soon. And so walking into Ultimates 3 knowing what was decent beforehand was just... blegh. And the people needed to see some context before Ultimatum got reviewed... like, a year or two later. Whoops.
This part contains one of my favorite jokes I've ever made - "OH MY GOD HE ATE TOO MUCH PUDDING." I did multiple takes of this line because I loved it so much that I wanted to get it just right. And the results speak for themselves.
The whole "Superheroes can't be in the real world without being assholes" thing reminds me of Aberrant - a tabletop RPG by White Wolf back in the 90s. Now, White Wolf is pretty famous for its grimdarkness and somewhat dour tones...but Aberrant has to be the most realistic and yet still optimistic take on superheroes in the real world.
It takes place in the NEAR FUTURE of 2008 (remember, 90s), and the idea is that over the past 10 years, superhuman beings called "novas" have been cropping up - think like the X-Men. Except unlike the X-Men, novas actually do...reasonable things.
Supersmart nova? Invents stuff like the "hypercombustion" engine and efficient solar powers that make both climate change and worries about oil prices a thing of the past.
Novas that can manipulate the weather or the earth? Well, that's why Ethiopia has been terraformed into verdant country that can feed most of Africa by itself.
People who can teleport from place to place instantly? Exploration of the solar system goes forward at a new and breakneck pace!
And so on.
Not everything is roses and sunshine - in fact, there are dangers that (if not dealt with by the player characters) will eventually lead to a nova/baseline war that leaves most of the planet devastated. But for the most part, the novas are depicted as being...regular people. Some are good, some are bad, some are indifferent. Some wear costumes for reasons ranging from a desire to market their image, because they think it is sexy, or to inspire people to do good. Some don't wear costumes for just as many reasons.
Also, death is permanent.
...kinda wish more comics would do that.
And also not kill characters off constantly, so that death is actually something that matters.
Gold Coin maybe due to being a rpg? No offense I would enjoy playing this.
White Wolf is also known for blaming Chechnya’s anti-gay purges on vampires. Which is why Onyx Path now runs Chronicles Of Darkness.
+Collex
Oh, whoops.
+Collex
No problem. XD
I miss Aberrant. Managed to deconstruct superheroes and keep it friendly at the same time.
You know what's weird? The actors who played Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in Avengers: AOU played husband and wife in the Godzilla (2014) film.
OH MY GOD, WALTER WHITE IS THEIR FATHER
Speaking of Avengers AOU, we have Captain America commenting on language destroying the moral fibre of our country ("Language!" "And for gosh sake, watch your language." Steve doesn't like that kind of talk." "You know what, Romanov....."), but we also have the red herring concerning the villain of the story as explained in the next part.
Now that's interesting
Not the first time that happen
Ultimates Easter egg lol
My favorite part is at 10:33, where we can see Wasp is complaining about Thor is "shacking up with a NINETEEN year old girl," but thinks Cap is a fuddy duddy for his reaction to Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.
So she's okay with incest but not with an age gap?
To be fair, both things will be good seen in the future alongside nudism.
That's especially dumb since before she started dating Thor Valkyrie slept with Hank Pym.
Well Thor is a god and they do that all the time tho thankfully not with under 14 year olds
The weird thing is that ultimate Spider-Man is tame and lighthearted for the most part
wasp's attitude of "those gosh darn siblings and their kooky incest!" is one of the most laughibly bizare things i've seen in a modern comic, you can tell they're in the bizaro universe when cap's reaction to incest is considered the odd response
+ColeVecsion The way I understand it is that Wasp in this is part Asian (no idea why) but in many Asian (Japanese mostly) pornos and shippings (pairings if you don't understand the phrasing) incest is a running theme (Wish I was kidding about this, it's kind of overdone), hence her attitude regarding it. In Modern Cultures, such as those found in North America, and Europe, incest is more of a hush hush thing due to the Counter initiatives against it, being found mostly in the form of Religion. Truth of the matter is, Minnesota (where Linkara is from) and the rest of the US may not be around if it weren't for Incest, as The United States was originally part of English Colonies... the English Monarchy for the longest time would marry into itself, and breed into itself, and will be the greatest example of Inbreeding that people choose to forget. Most people think of incest now, and think of two ugly people from a trailer park, and no, I'm not saying that stereotype is true, as I knew of A mother and son who ended up hooking up on it, only for the younger sister of the son to walk in on the two screwing and well... they went to jail... but not for incest... for not locking the door and endangering the welfare of a child as the sister was 14 at the time. No, I'm not kidding. Most of the incest laws, from what I've heard, are rarely if ever enforced by law enforcement in the united states... unless you live in New Jersey... in that state, well Enjoy your incestuous relationship.... cause it's legal there... from what i read.
Love is love but still incest is gross.
Jake Bryant Loki and Thor is gross even if it its a adopted sibling it's still messed up
Stone ocean006 ... How?
I take it you've never heard of America Chavez?
"Turning mainstream news into porn"? You mean like the Naked News segment in The Dark Knight Strikes again?
OH MY GOD, HE ATE TOO MUCH PUDDING!
"So while Hank Pym collapses, no doubt trying to escape from the comic while he can..." ^_^
Why didn't hank Pym just pull a Ray Palmer and shrink himself out of the comic universe?
Is he Neptune from Hyperdimension Neptunia or what?
he was drug!!!!
Glen Wang #1 in Top 15 Favourite Jokes in AT4W.
House of M-cest
No you didn't xd.
@@CameraPunk5049 she did.
Ultimate Spider-man was a pretty cool dude and Kitty was nice in it too. Maybe it's just Mark Millar who's an antisocial angry man.
thatdapperfellow technically speaking mark Miller didn't write ultimates 3 this was jeph loab who ruined everything
Ultimate Spider-man seems to be the only one of the bunch that wasn’t written by an angry 14 year old.
@@jamesadamsfl agreed and you’re right about that
@@jamesadamsfl did you forget about the story in USM where Spidey and Wolverine switch bodies and Wolverine as Peter considers taking advantage of the underage MJ?
@@antona.1327 What the F? Granted, Ultimate Wolverine was kind of an @$$, and the entire line was more often than not just cringe-y versions of what came before, but . . . seriously, what the F?
The irony is, the description you gave for the Ultimate universe predicted the government's attitude in the New 52...
"When I was younger, I would've been grateful for bullets in my knees."
Didn't Magneto get sent to a Nazi camp when he was younger?
Yea he did.
gamejtv in the main universe yes in the ultimate universe nope
In the main universe where he is a complex and well written character, yes. In the Ultimate Universe where everyone is an asshole and they confuse being dark and edgy with good storytelling, nope.
@@morganyoung3557 Being dark isn't a bad thing. It's just a bad thing when written poorly.
17:41 Wasp just did a one-liner where she joked about once having bulimia, an eating disorder, in response to watching Blob raid the mansion's fridge. (Note: the following is sarcasm for those who don't understand what I'm getting at) Great job on bringing up an extremely sensitive issue that many people suffer with every day in a mature and respectful manner, Jeph Loeb!
+Curtis Stokman The words "Jeph Loeb" and "mature" should sit at opposite ends of the thesaurus just to drive the point home.
kurvos Jeph Loeb was credited as writer, so I direct my criticism to him. Also, Mark Millar has gone good work as well, such as Superman: Red Son.
kurvos I think they both can do good work. I remember reading somewhere that the Jeph Loeb admitted he hadn't read through Mark Millar's Ultimates 1 and 2 (both of which were considered good) before making Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum, which he said was his reason for it being bad. Meanwhile, Jeph Loeb's Batman: Hush was excellent. They can both do good work, but they just didn't here.
***** A person should not have to feel so insecure that they are willing to cause themselves bodily harm in order to fit in with society's ridiculous standards of beauty.
kurvos
The villain should have been Jason Todd as initially planned.
"Oh my God its Wolverine!" Lol the line delivery and reaction makes me laugh my ass off Ultimate Wolverine couldn't save this storyline with all the Adamantium in the universe.
No shoes, no shirt, no service!
*Fires clothe cannon*
That's my favorite episode of Spongebob.
Phone call for you
And the next day, and the next day and the next day.
*rips off clothes* It's not worth it! It's just not worth it! Goodbye, everyone. I'll remember you all in therapy.
Walks in wearing no pants
Ultimate Spider-Man was probably my favorite of the line, and I feel it was the title that maintained its quality most consistently, and I maintain that it was THE BEST Spidey book being published during the tumultuous Webslinging era of the 00s. I stopped reading regularly after Miles came around, but I won't deny that his stories from what I read are pretty good like his crossover with 616-Peter.
I also enjoyed Mark Millar's brief run on Ultimate Fantastic Four that introduced Marvel Zombies in spite of its sped-up pacing, but still, it had the misfortune of being saddled with Greg "Pornface" Land's artwork. Ultimates 1 + 2 were good reads, despite Millar's insistence on dialing everybody's (except for Thor's) asshole meter up to 11.
I really didn't enjoy Ultimate X-Men. The quality went all over the place in my opinion.
Never got around to ultimate X-men due to the fact I heard it basically made the X-men dead men walking. But we got a cool X-men story with their crossover with Spidey. Seriously the Deadpool story is probably my favorite ultimate storyline outside the ultimatum stuff that was Spidey related. Seriously the Spidey Obituary by JJ is one of my favorite comic moments of all time and I wish it would happen in the mainline of things
"OH MY GOD, HE ATE TOO MUCH PUDDING" is right up there with "well, this comic's lost me. It has lost me and it's twisting the night away without me".
14:40 "Thanks for keeping it classy, Marvel"
Class was dropped like a ton of bricks right around the point where they introduced the incest.
I think Class has lost its presence with the rather explicit Iron Man/Black Widow sex tape.
Well, I wonder Ultimate Universe also made the main universe horrible since they kinda decided to darken it too.
- Scarlet Witch was turned into a genocidal monster, thanks to Bendis and House of M.
- Marvel Civil War, thanks to Mark Millar.
- and AvX, thanks to Bendis.
+powerist
it's not because of ultimates, it's because millar and bendis circle jerk each other over who hates life and joy the most
Hulk gets KO'ed by Hawkeye thanks to bendis
And now Civil War 2 thanks to freakin Bendis...
Ok who at marvel kept giving Bendis events to work on this is getting ridiculous
'Oh, and then Venom attacks.'
spider-man 3
Linkara: No Wasp, it's still unbelievably creepy. You don't see Superman shacking up with his mom! Because it's creepy!
Me: ROTFL
what's ROTFL?
Ian R. Nava Huber rolling on the floor laughing
Superman "F**k Martha".
Batman "HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT NAME"!?
hhahaha
How? When? What?
13:48 Spider-Man's line at that point is actually quite funny.
List of all the good things to come out of the ultimate universe:
Miles morales and most of what's associated with him, ...Uh... I think that's it guys.
The ultimate Spider-Man game was awesome.
Richard Jones also, X-Men Legends games, which drew inspiration from Ultimate X-Men, the Ultimate Spider-Man stuff, Ultimate X-Men, and the Ultimate Alliance games.
I mean... The Maker's been a cool villain in Venom and Future Foundation. >.>;;
The Maker is a great villain (who doesn't like an evil Reed Richards), Colossus was an amazing character and great LGBT representation, forget Mark Millar as Brian K Vaughn knows how to write Wolverine, making Sue Storm a super scientist was cool, the Ultimate Comics: Thor book was a great prequel to the Ultimate universe, Ghost Rider's origin is amazing, and Miles Morales
But I hate how they turned Nick Fury into an actual, straight forward villain and nobody seems to care
Death of Spider-Man is good
The more I learn about the Ultimate Universe, the more I'm convinced it was some elaborate prank, and one day I'll learn it never even existed and people were just feeding me more and more ludicrous information to see how much I would believe.
Except ultimate spiderman
Looking back even the early ultimate comics had some REALLY questionable stuff going on. Like Wolverine (who's over 70) seducing and sleeping with an underage Jean Gray in the very first arch.
Wolverine also tried to have sex with Liz Allan. And she threatened to burn the hair off hid nipples. Needless to say, most people in the Ultimate universe are kind of terrible.
shadowspider9 Jean Gray was 19 in the first arc of the comic.
Bluemagus
Ah, ok. My bad. I thought she was 16 or 17.
Also where does it give her age?
SnowyWolborg
Now Liz Allan i know is underage. She was still in high school.
shadowspider9 First issue of Ultimate X-Men it mentions Jean Gray's age and I think in Issue 3 Wolverine mentions that he has the hots for a 19 year old red head while flirting with her.
I'm not sure about the Liz Allan thing, though. I'd have to read up on that again.
"OH MY GOD HE ATE TOO MUCH PUDDING" One of the best jokes he's made
Linkara’s Ultimate Iron Man voice is iconic
So Hawkeye is basically just the punisher in ultimates?
With a side of Wesley in Wanted (Mark Millar's comic).
Tony Davis I don't think Hawkeye would be willing to rape
OMG! Hol Horse killed Scarlet Witch!
Impossible! He would never hit a woman! Not even the ugly ones!
@@theamazingspiral So you think that someone had an Emporer Stand Disc? Do you think that Scarlet Witch was in the Way of the Heaven Plan?
The Question is how.. but that would be way more interesting then what actually happened in the comics ^^
Given Scarlet Witch’s ability to screw reality up the ass, yes. She was in the way of the heaven plan
You know, in most versions of the Marvel Universe, Captain America vouching for you is good enough to get you on the team.
This is why I like DC's Earth One so much: the heroes struggle with self-don't and make mistakes, and people in authority don't trust them, but THEY'RE STILL HEROES. Superman and Batman still want (and succeed) in helping people, the Teen Titans don't want some nut take over the world, and Wonder Woman . . . is still pretty much Wonder Woman as originally conceived by William Moulton Marston. Also, when alcohol, sex, and drugs show up in the Earth One stories, they serve a frickin' point! They're not there to make the story seem more edgy or mature; they're there because the story IS more mature and can address these subjects like an adult and not like a teenager.
Also, I never read HUSH, but I read HEART OF HUSH, and I definitely think the character was a great idea.
XD I love Linkara's reaction when Blob threaten to eat Wasp
The Pudding gag was funny but the Bullet in the knees was hilarious.
"This idea that somehow superheroes in the real world are going to be asshole or that the governments of earth will try to have the perfect superheros as weapons just doesn't appeal to me."
I'm guessing Lewis wouldn't like The Boys, then, because HOLY SHIT are supes total assholes in that series.
ResidentVarmint I reeeeaaally don't like The Boys. XD
I totally understand, even though I LOVE the series I can get how it might turn away a lot of people. The Boys is like the last step before Crossed in terms of just how dark Ennis can get.
+Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall question speaking of the ultimate universe I am just wondering what is your opinion of the character miles morales
+Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall honestly, the boys is better than a lot of people give it credit for. There are some genuinely sweet moments in there and it's made very clear that Butcher's the bad guy in the end.
Hm I wouldn't be too surprised if The Boys was on you're show one day
So, in 2017 I’m watching from oldest to newest, and I am legitimately scared of Ultimatum going forward
I'm pretty sure Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver being... a thing was really more of an implied relationship in the first two Ultimates books. You know, you really need to reevaluate your writing abilities when you're less subtle about something than MARK MILLAR of all people!
Miles Bockelman IMPLIED INCEST! THE BEST INCEST!
Tajhan Stewart Nope.
Miles Bockelman ...Jealous, aren't you? Hehe...
Ultimate Spiderman was the only comic I ever liked from the entire Ultimate universe.
Ultimate Comics: Spiderman (the first with Miles)
is probably one of the best comics I've read in a long time.
17:52 Did he actually eat her up?
I read wikipedia page, he did, yeeesh.
"OH MY GOD, HE ATE TOO MUCH PUDDING!!!!"
No, Superman wouldnt shack up with his mom. Now his cousin, that's another story.
@Lt Fuckwit hey with the fortress tech im sure they could deal with genetic damage
Jeph Loeb is the reason why current Marvel cartoons suck these days. He thinks that Marvel cartoons should talk down to kids while showing more talented writers who don't go along with him like Greg Weisman, Josh Fine and Frank Paur the door.
hey you can't win everything marvel is better at movies and dc is better at tv shows that's just the natural order of the 2 companies
***** But... but Young Justice was good. I admit it is ungodly cliched, too many action scenes and less character development, but it's still good, enjoyable at least.
However, if you're talking about Young Justice Invasion, that's an entirely different story. Invasion really feels like Weisman puts way too much effort on making Young Justice to be the best cartoon series ever. The guy tries to make it like it was some sort of a Tom Clancy novel. Inserting double agents, lying to the media, faking people's deaths, really dumb and hammered in social commentary, this was way too much for a show intended for teenagers. Also, WAY too much focus on Blue Beetle. I like Blue Beetle, but he got way too much screentime, almost like if he was a fan of one or something...
cut him some slack he's great when Tim Sale and/or Batman are involved. Sure he fired Weisman, but so has basically every other animation studio. Because of DC's connection to Warner, for the past few decades DC has dominated in animation. Marvel's fledgling Disney-affiliated animation studio isn't going to get anything comparable to Justice League on any time soon. Heck, if you just go by family friendly TV animation, Marvel has been on top for a good five years now.
If you ask me, 'Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes' was the Marvel equivalent to 'Justice League', and I'm sorry, but if 'Ultimate Spider-Man' was anywhere near as good as 'Spectacular Spier-Man', I would be more forgiving. 'Family friendly' shouldn't mean pandering to stupid kids with lame humor.
***** I agree, JLU, and EMH are equally awesome. I just wish 'Assemble' was just as good, and that 'Ultimate' was of the same quality as 'Spectacular'.
I really liked how you said hello here at 12:58.
captain Rockatron Borderlands 3 calls it a Pandoran handshake.
zrlap
Still kinda funny.
Still one of your best videos. Every joke lands. And yes. I am binging your old stuff for nostalgia's sake :)
ABC news is showing the sex leak? You guys do realize that Disney owns ABC.... Classy.
How ironic that Disney now owns Marvel XD
+Tyler Shewchuk haha
Jake Bryant
More ironic now that Disney owns Fox.
13:14 Did..Did Hawkeye just start acting like the freaking Punisher?
(It's years later Lewis obviously knows but why not)
Lorelei (pronounced Lore-eh-lie) is The Enchantress Amora (a Thor villain/love interest/catwoman basically)'s little sister. Basically a toned down version of her more famous blonde sibling. Why she hangs out with the Brotherhood, I'll never know.
Doctor on a cane? ITS HOUSE! She must have lupus
Does he ever say lupus? Ever? At all?
islamroks11 FOOL! Don't you know anything about SCIENCE?
max meade No, but I do know that I AM A MAN!
max meade With what?! Bees!?
........Bees. My god.
OF COURSE!
To me, he appeal of the Ultimate Universe or the much better DC EARTH ONE line was how they could deviate from the status quo in the main storyline.
Unfortunately, the Ultimate Universe dropped the ball on the “deviation” part. It mostly devolved into doing mean-spirited versions of the normal Marvel stories.
i can make a deviation of a marvel character
Spiderman(Peter Parker) is just starting out he is sort of a perverted punk a delinquent you might say he gets bitten by a spider and at first he uses that mantle as a way to get back at people he hate and to creep on women but overtime he uses it to clean up the streets after his uncle ben got killed and Great Power Great Responsibility Yada Yada Yada and Its Basically a mix Between a Delinquent manga and Spider-man
@@a-dub6434 I might actually enjoy reading that. It's at least better than what they did with "Spectacular Spider-man" (which I didn't hate, but looking back I really, really don't like what they did with Peter Parker).
@@jamesadamsfl you mean the cartoon dude thats an awesome cartoon its okay if you dont like it but i think its awesome and i loved how they did peter
@@a-dub6434 and that sounds interisting
No. I was talking about the Sony movies where they decided to make Peter Parker into Edward Cullen.
You think this is bad, just wait until you see what the Ultimate universe did to Deadpool...
The people who say that 'suck' is a bad word are amongst the most annoying humans in the universe.
Matt Stevens I've known people who think the word "Gosh" and "darn" are bad along with "Uh-Oh"
People think Uh-Oh is bad?!
manegirl93416 That was my reaction.
+Chocobo0Scribe A pastor friend of ours said that Gosh , Golly , and Good Grief , and any other such exclamations , were blasphemy against God . Why ?? Because those expressions take the place of saying God . Therefore , they also are taking God's name in vain .
thesilencer1969
Now I'm just even more confused.
OH MY GOD HE ATE TOO MUCH POUDING!!!
I don't like the ultimates because it feels like it's trying waaaaaayy too hard to be hyper realistic and modern for its own good.bit thats just my opinion.
+DRAGON PHEONIX That's just it. The Ultimates are soooooooo jerky, and at times barely even heroic.
About a year late, but the problem with the Ultimates isn't that it was trying to be to realistic but that it equated realistic with unesecarily dark, depressing and gross. Its like a kid saying something mature because it swears a lot.
Edgar Garcia So... watchmen?
@@zashgekido5616 Eh, Watchmen was well written and actually had a moral quandary to it as it was a deconstruction of Superheroes so the juxtaposition makes sense plus it never used gross for the sake of gross moments. This book on the other hand is just filled traditional heroes who act like unrepentant jerks with no real reprecutions. Its like comparing Rambo 1, an exploration of Ptsd and how a veteran coming home feels, to rambo 3, action schlok
@@FusionFullForce while i agree with most to all of what you say, I personally feel watchmen was more a deconstruction of the dark deconstructionist attitude towards heres of works like the dark knight returns and death of superman. less 'look at your heroes and see their flaws' like ultimate, and more 'these are not superheroes', as in holding them up to good, responsible superheroes for comparison and questioning the direction of the writers, like morrison's run on animal man. At least that's what i've heard
i do still feel that this dark realsim is ironically not nearly as realistic as they hold it to be. as grant morrison said: "We thought that by making your world more violent, we would make it more "realistic", more "adult". God help us if that's what it means."
we live in a world where superman's unwavering good and ideal has saved real-world lives and been used to fight real evil (like the Klan). why shouldn't we embrace that unrealistic good if we can make it work anyway?
Everytime Hawkeye acts crazy and then mentions his family all I can think of in response is that quote by Rocket Racoon from GOTG 1 towards Drax.
“Oh boo hoo! My wife and child are dead! Everybody’s got dead people! That’s no excuse to get everybody else dead along the way!”
Ngl, The Raccoon has a point.
The Ultimate universe is an elseworld where the Marvel Universe is modernized.
yes
Is it just me, or are the mouth and sound out of sync from 0:00 to 0:15?
Batman: Hush and the Long Halloween are two of my favorite Batman stories.
So elephant in the room, why did they have twincest in the ultimate universe?
Cause its hot
@@MatthewJones-jg4eu cause its edgy
Mark Millar is one of those writers who can't keep his fetishes to himself.
Because in the Ultimate universe you're either horny, hungry or hankering for a dark and edgy VIOLENCE SANDWICH.
Too much pudding is dangerous.
Andrew Wilson
That's too much pink energy you're thinking of.
Yeah, but pudding is dangerous too.
Tobias Geis It's pink pudding
I can see where they were going at 18:00: Blob threatens to eat Wasp, Iron Man does a one-liner like he's a waiter. Maybe he's too drunk to think of a better one.
For awhile the Ultimate line was my sole and primarily read Marvel titles. I thought they were all outstanding: Spiderman, X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Ultimates. However, when I started to collect this run of Ultimates, I completely ended picking up any Marvel title at all, to this very day. True story.
Pick up spidey's Ultimatum tie in and the fallout book Ultimatum requiem. They combine to have one of the greatest spider-man moments of all time
It wouldn't be on Pietro's Christmas list, it'd be on his Hanukkah list! :D
It's implied they aren't even Jewish in the ultimates but yeah, you're right.....
Hello LittleKuriboh! I don't have a gun to say hi with, but it's always nice to hear from you.
14:00 excuse me, DID THEY JUST LEAVE SPIDER MAN TRANQUILIZED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET?!
they messed up Venom, They messed up Venom, They Messed Up Venom, THEY MESSED UP VENOM
Oh, also one other funny thing in retrospect about Ultimate Hawkeye and his death wish; him and Iron Man are the only two members of the Ultimates who survived until the very end of the Ultimate Universe.
Didn't Ultimate Tony Stark have a brain tumor that could kill him at any time
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Why is it impossible to find anything about the ultimate Galactus trilogy?
Does Venom physically turn its wearer into goo or something, because otherwise I'm not sure how Brock survives what they do to him here.
Nope that’s not how venom works
Yeah, the Ultimate line sucked, but I really wish a separate universe was the first resort when a comic book company tries to freshen its line up. Doing all of this weird, reinterpretive and drastic stuff in a different universe is highly preferable to screwing up the main universe with "realistic" cynicism and full on reboots.
It’s really annoying when they do both; DC launched the Earth One line which was supposed to do the Ultimate Marvel dance of doing stories of classic characters without the baggage of decades of continuity (except DC Earth One did it much better because their heroes are actually HEROES!) while simultaneously launching their New 52 reboot that stuck continuity and new ideas into a blender and hit the “Mix Well” option. Oh yeah, and there’s also Earth 2, which ALSO has new stories for classic characters that ignores decades of continuity. DC, have you forgotten the concept of variety?!
Linkara's argument with himself near the end is a highlight of AT4W.
is it me or is the lip syncing off on this one...?
in the beginning it was but after the opening theme it was fixed
The artwork is alright to me but I hate that all the characters are so friggin assholish and wishy washy.
Not to mention insest-ty.
McBandit Hope Like Jaime and Cersi but without any likability whatsoever.
That argument gag was beautiful beyond belief. xP
Also, I think it's really cool that you're a feminist.
the idea that people need a fresh start without continuity to get unto comics is bullshit. I got into comics just 2 years ago by picking up a random comic book and reading through it. if I saw a reference I didn't get, I would get out my handy dandy Web browser and GOOGLE IT! there's no need for the ultimate universe, all anyone needs is the Marvel/DC wiki, a comic and some free time.
*into
gabriel tiger I have been beaten, this still applies to stuff like the New 52, but you're right
As someone who got into the main Batman books during the "Knightquest" part of "Knightfall", I can safely tell you that truer words were never spoken.
17:37 The people who have read Ultimatum have this same expression and you will two when we finally get to it
Hey, look! It's Toa Nuva Iron Man, Toa of Money!
IcarusBen Unity! Duty! Daquiri!
8:47 "Incest, incest it's the best; put your sister to the test" -Pan Pizza, 2015
Josh Miller what episode was that from?
Scooby Doo and the Cyber Chase
+Josh Miller Man I never thought I'd see a Pan Pizza reference in the comments of one of Linkara's videos. Good job. XD
At first I read that as Peter Pan.
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I didn't really like the idea of the Ultimate Universe either, especially the earlier stuff like this. Then came Secret Wars, so I decided to buy a collection of Ultimate Spider-Man featuring Miles Morales. Aside from the fact it takes a wee while to really get going, it's actually pretty good, and it's a good starting point provided you're at least slightly familiar with the previous Ultimate continuity. In fact it serves as a nice break from Marvel's divisive late-00s/early-10s output (which I'm currently trying to catch up on). I'm still not tempted to read any other Ultimate books though.
Ya miles is awesome and it's hard to imagine that he is from this universe. Can you imagine what he would of been like if they wrote he like they did in this comic
My opinion on the Ultimate Universe: good idea. New stories told from a modern perspective that explore new ideas and paths not taken or unavailable in the original universe. Same reason I like DC’s Earth One books. Heck, it’s what the movies do. Unlike the Earth One graphic novels or the MCU, however, the Ultimate Universe never really embraced its potential. Instead of new stories, they basically retold old ones but made everyone a collasal jerkwad. Riveting.
There are only 2 things I like from the Ultimate Universe.
1) Miles Morales. Fuck yeah!
2) President Captain America. That's as awesome as it sounds.
I actually really like ultimate Peter Parker
Ultimate Kitty Pryde was pretty cool as well.
Venom Jerky, made with 100% all-natural symbiote biomass.
Ultimate Spider-Man comics are not bad and I kinda liked that Peter died in a heroic act to save his friends and family.
Audio is out of sync at the beginning. Anyway, even as a huge fan of Ultimate Spider-Man, I disliked what they did with the Green Goblin.
Ten years of ultimates 3
09:16
Missed opportunity!
Could've said "You don't see Superman shacking-up with his cousin," then made a joke about that one bull$%!& time Power Girl snogged Superman, back when she was still retconned to not be Kryptonian.
p.s. It's not bull$%!& because of the incest, but because she did it not only as a distraction (as if to say she was incapable of anything else), but as a distraction to let Captain Marvel (I'm *not* calling him Shazam) get a crack at Supes.
20:08*ish* to 20:24 Does any fellow 'Atop The Fourth Wall' fans know exactly what was said - on both sides - during this skit?! It's been driving me insane trying to figure it out LOL
it's a recap of previous lines with this gem snuck in
Magneto: You'd think you'd be dating your sister with how messed up you are
I hear your logic in the beginning, but I'm one of the people the Ultimate Marvel universe worked on.
I was young, interested in comics, but all the major titles had stories so confusing with such complicated histories, that I couldn't get into them. That's when Ultimate Spider-Man came out. It was fresh, it was fun, Peter Parker was interesting and relatable, and best of all it started from the beginning so I could get in on the ground floor.
I got into all the titles as they came out: X-Men, Fantastic Four, Ultimates. It was good stuff. It's a shame the whole universe derailed itself and I was angry when it happened, but by that time I knew enough about all the Marvel characters that I finally just switched over to the main continuity.
But yeah... all things considered, Ultimate Marvel was a success story... while it lasted.
I love Linkara's Xavier and Magneto's impressions :D
Wow Linkara, you have an awesome Venom voice. Maybe you should voice him in the next Spider-Man cartoon.
Who else here thinks that Endgame may have gotten a little inspiration for when Hawkeye went completely off the rails from this comic?
Definitely not from this comic; Ronin existed in the regular 616 universe before this.
Oh my god he ate too much pudding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look on the bright side, if the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver ever had kids, they would be demigods. Because, as we all know from the Wrong Turn series, it’s that inbreds are the superior species!
0:14 I I see this was when’s the next history of power rangers before it was cool
Seven years too late, but... the first printing of issue 1 actually did have the really super dark super muddy coloring, which is probably why the scans were so dark. They brightened it up a LOT for the second printing and eventual trade. (THe colorist's monitor probably wasn't calibrated very well... it was better by the second issue but still muddy.)
And apparently Linkara, Loeb wants to make a Ms Marvel tv show. Yea the guy who had Blob eat Wasp wants to make a tv show of a likeable and more relatable character like Kamala.
To be fair, if his Nova series is of any indication, he's a lot more stable now than when he did Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum (that was 8 years ago, after all).
Hm true and he named the new Nova after his son Sam.
Coming back here in 2019 has made me realize that if you want superheroes being total assholes done right, you should just ignore this tripe and read The Boys by Garth Ennis.
FYI Linkara hates Garth Ennis.
Even in other universe's, heroes and villains can still be re-todded
While the ultimate universe wasn't really my thing I can see the idea of having series that you can just start at number 1 and in order atractive. People who liked ultimate spiderman can enjoy the series in order and maybe move from there or don't and no need to be intimidated by longs lists of must reads or be confused cronologically
Love these reviews. But when are we getting more Miller time?
AngellusRavenix hawkeyes acts pretty much like crazy steve
Lewis, this video has some of your best jokes ever!
Drunk Tony Stark returns! Yay! XDD
Personal gripe on this old ass video, but Ultimate Green Goblin really misses the entire point of the character. The Green Goblin is a costume that Norman Osborn can take on and off just like Spider-Man is a costume for Peter Parker. Both of them reveal inner truths about the people wearing them that can't be boiled down to something as simplistic as, "Bad guy who was always bad and now gets to be bad in the open."
Now, a Hobgoblin that is Harry Osborn who has been, either accidentally or intentionally, doped with the Goblin Serum by Norman Osborn and becomes a monster? That makes sense. Harry is a good person who struggles with living up to his family legacy, the transformation into a monster literalizing that in the form of Norman's selfish and arrogant desire to see his son become him and inadvertently passing on the worst parts of himself. A bigger, badder, meaner Goblin to contrast that Harry is a better person than Norman ever was or ever could be and ultimately a victim of his father's desires.
Bonus points if they ever decided to have Harry learn to control the Goblin transformation to symbolize him embracing his heritage and who he is and choosing to be more than just what his father intended him to be (but they never did).