I have 2D with the laser catcher. So lets say you put in a cross slope of say 2% (both the laser and machine)along with your +2% main fall and you had to dig that trench 4 buckets wide. Can you turn the machine but moving the undercarriage and dig some to the right instead of digging one bucket wide trench backwards then coming back and digging 3 more the same way. If you turn and dig, is machine going to give you readings for the main fall slope because you are pulling the boom back towards the machine? I guess the question is, what is the best way with 2D with the laser catcher dig with both main fall and cross slope?
Yes sir it is possible. Think of the laser beam off the laser as a reset button every time you catch it to reset what elevation it is falling at both main fall and cross slope. So you would align the excavator with the main fall you want to dig and then on the top of the screen you have both options. One to enter the main fall. The other to its side is to set a cross section or side slope. Once you have set down on a start benchmark for elevation and have entered your slopes and have also set the laser properly with those slopes in line with the main fall dig, then catch the laser beam. Then dig dig dig and then when you back up, re catch the beam and it will reset at the beam as it is falling and that’s how it will know how to stay on grade. I hope that made sense.
That is what I thought but I was concerned that if I turned the machine to dig to my right that it would do the positive 2%that I had set for my main fall. Like when I use measure mode I can only measure boom in boom out up and down it doesn't calculate if I turn the cab. I have a pond job that is wide open I can mess around with it more. Normally I am just digging single sloping trenches as you demonstrate in the video. One day when I am all growed up I will get gps. And I will say I will never own another machine that doesn't have earthworks on it. It has increased my productivity and decreased the getting in and out of the machine or calling the ground guy over. And almost completely eliminated rework and the rework that their is always operator's error😂 Thanks again for taking the time to make these videos and responding to questions
@@JeffLarsen-iz8qk what makes this heading bench possible in the next gen cats and is it possible to get the same sensor(?) added to my trimble 2d with laser catcher? ruclips.net/video/_nJluYr39FU/видео.html
@@JeffLarsen-iz8qk I posted this a couple of days ago, but it disappeared. ruclips.net/video/_nJluYr39FU/видео.html What would it take to achieve this with my 2D with laser catcher ? A sensor?software update?
So can you explain in more detail what is happening with a flat rotary laser when you set a slope in the machine with 2d? It’s only accurate as far as you can pull?
Yes. So if you set the laser to a slope, lets say 2 percent in one direction like in the video, it needs to be in the same direction as you are digging. The machine in 2D is only as good as the undercarriage does not move once you have benched and caught the laser, so if you catch the laser and then did backwards at that slope the machine has to be told inside that you are also digging at a 2 percent or it will just catch the laser and then did flat or assume flat. Also, every time you move the undercarriage or track back to did more, the elevation or reference to the laser is null. You must move, then catch the laser again which will then re reference where the beam is in relation to you and it starts over again and the machine still needs to have the 2 percent in it or it may tend to do a bit of what I call a stair case as you did back. But you are correct that you are only accurate as far as you can pull until you move and re refence the laser. Hopefully this makes sense.
If you set a slope in the machine while the laser is flat, it will cut a slope, but every time you catch the laser again it will reset you back up to that level and you will have a stair case effect. So yes it will only go as far as you can reach that time.
Makes sense, thanks, I tried using it for 200’ of sewer and had a really hard time lol, now I know why. Glad you’re making these videos since there’s not much training when one purchases these products
Great video
Very informative, thanks for taking the time to make this video
No problem. Thanks for watching
I have 2D with the laser catcher. So lets say you put in a cross slope of say 2% (both the laser and machine)along with your +2% main fall and you had to dig that trench 4 buckets wide. Can you turn the machine but moving the undercarriage and dig some to the right instead of digging one bucket wide trench backwards then coming back and digging 3 more the same way. If you turn and dig, is machine going to give you readings for the main fall slope because you are pulling the boom back towards the machine? I guess the question is, what is the best way with 2D with the laser catcher dig with both main fall and cross slope?
Yes sir it is possible. Think of the laser beam off the laser as a reset button every time you catch it to reset what elevation it is falling at both main fall and cross slope. So you would align the excavator with the main fall you want to dig and then on the top of the screen you have both options. One to enter the main fall. The other to its side is to set a cross section or side slope. Once you have set down on a start benchmark for elevation and have entered your slopes and have also set the laser properly with those slopes in line with the main fall dig, then catch the laser beam. Then dig dig dig and then when you back up, re catch the beam and it will reset at the beam as it is falling and that’s how it will know how to stay on grade. I hope that made sense.
That is what I thought but I was concerned that if I turned the machine to dig to my right that it would do the positive 2%that I had set for my main fall. Like when I use measure mode I can only measure boom in boom out up and down it doesn't calculate if I turn the cab. I have a pond job that is wide open I can mess around with it more. Normally I am just digging single sloping trenches as you demonstrate in the video. One day when I am all growed up I will get gps.
And I will say I will never own another machine that doesn't have earthworks on it. It has increased my productivity and decreased the getting in and out of the machine or calling the ground guy over. And almost completely eliminated rework and the rework that their is always operator's error😂
Thanks again for taking the time to make these videos and responding to questions
@@JeffLarsen-iz8qk what makes this heading bench possible in the next gen cats and is it possible to get the same sensor(?) added to my trimble 2d with laser catcher?
ruclips.net/video/_nJluYr39FU/видео.html
@@JeffLarsen-iz8qk I posted this a couple of days ago, but it disappeared.
ruclips.net/video/_nJluYr39FU/видео.html
What would it take to achieve this with my 2D with laser catcher ? A sensor?software update?
So can you explain in more detail what is happening with a flat rotary laser when you set a slope in the machine with 2d? It’s only accurate as far as you can pull?
Yes. So if you set the laser to a slope, lets say 2 percent in one direction like in the video, it needs to be in the same direction as you are digging. The machine in 2D is only as good as the undercarriage does not move once you have benched and caught the laser, so if you catch the laser and then did backwards at that slope the machine has to be told inside that you are also digging at a 2 percent or it will just catch the laser and then did flat or assume flat. Also, every time you move the undercarriage or track back to did more, the elevation or reference to the laser is null. You must move, then catch the laser again which will then re reference where the beam is in relation to you and it starts over again and the machine still needs to have the 2 percent in it or it may tend to do a bit of what I call a stair case as you did back. But you are correct that you are only accurate as far as you can pull until you move and re refence the laser. Hopefully this makes sense.
If you set a slope in the machine while the laser is flat, it will cut a slope, but every time you catch the laser again it will reset you back up to that level and you will have a stair case effect. So yes it will only go as far as you can reach that time.
Makes sense, thanks, I tried using it for 200’ of sewer and had a really hard time lol, now I know why. Glad you’re making these videos since there’s not much training when one purchases these products
I am glad that this has helped. I know that I am covering many different ways to use these products, but hopefully it gets people thinking also.