Not sure were you checked in EU for the same prices but i just signed a id4 AWD one (so big battery) with all the best packs for 50k euros all taxes included while last year it was in the range of 63k-65k. The prices are so down that the id4 wasn't even in my short list when i started to check for an electric vehicule. At the same time they didn't do anything for the GTX line which with the same equipment is 72K euros. 22K more for not even a 1 sec diffence on the 0-100km... the pricing strategy doesn't make any sense.
Thanks for the update, I’ll pin this comment. We still don’t have US pricing. Here's an article talking about the price cuts in Europe. insideevs.com/news/704003/vw-ev-price-cuts-europe/
Nice video and much appreciated. I don’t know if I should feel upset with myself or pleased that I got a great deal on a 2023 model as I just signed my lease this past Monday on a ID.4 S Pro Plus. It’s a hell of a vehicle and a blast to drive and loaded with creature comforts, and as a long time Audi fan. It’s reminiscent of the performance and ride comfort I’d come to love with my Audi. The lack of ventilated seats was nearly a dealbreaker for me, since I live in the Arizona desert, so I’m kind of bummed that I missed out on that upgrade. I don’t care about the larger screen because what I have is large enough. My rep told me 100% for sure that the horsepower and range of the dual batteries would be upgraded to what we see in your video. Can you confirm that? If that’s the case, I won’t feel too bad because I did get an excellent deal. 🙏
First, thanks for watching and for your kind words. You got a great deal on a great car. Certainly, you would not have gotten the same deal on a '24 in 6 months. I will say if it's any solace that the AC in the car is amazing and amazingly efficient and you can pre-cool it with the app even if it's parked in your garage, which is pretty neat. Unfortunately, no, our '23s will not get the range or horsepower upgrades since they are switching to brand new motors to achieve that improvement. Enjoy your car and know that these cars are really tech devices, and tech moves and changes quickly. Take care!
@@EVeryMile01 I guess this can be seen as a good news/bad news story. Good news is that I got a great deal - a little over 12k in discounts and tax credits. The rep stated the same regarding the AC and take you both at your word of course. So that’s all good. But the rep apparently misled me if you’re certain the batteries cannot be upgraded via software. That bothers me. But the good news is that I am ok with the range. Dealer gave me the charging station outright so that’s cool. As for HP, also good news in that the car is already a beast with all that instant torque and HP. I call it the beauty and the beast. But hopefully VW can STILL manage to deliver more performance via software to my existing batteries as Tesla has apparently done with theirs. 🙏🏻
@@TheBerkeleybob Absolutely. Tesla has definitely delivered powertrain improvements via updates but I don't have any confidence in VW's software updates. They are just now doing OTA updates on 2021 models meanwhile our '23 which we've had for over a year now, hasn't had any at all.
@@EVeryMile01 Ok, and fair point. On a positive note, however, the very fact that VW HAS in fact delivered such updates in the past (albeit at a snails pace) suggests to me that it is possible and within their wheelhouse to effect such updates. That would be awesome and I can wait - even if it’s as long as six months to a year. 🙏🏻
Waiting for the latest updates or 2024 model will cost you and also cost customers on the unexpected bugs which come with newer models. The 2023 model is an excellent car and lets you enjoy the experience now. The compromise is worth it and these deals only come beginning of the year
Even more interesting than the rear motor going from 201 to 280HP is that the torque increased from something like 220lbft to ~400. That puts the new RWD motor at more torque than the old AWD front/rear combined torque. It gets a little tricky to compare when they're different style motors and geared to different rpms so the actual absolute peak torque might not add, but 400 > 300 > 220 for sure. My understanding is that the front motor in the AWD stays the same, so that won't get a bump, but the rear motor torque bump is so high that both the RWD and AWD 2024s should feel exceptionally snappy from 5-30mph. Above 40, HP is probably going to be the more relevant metric and it will perform like any 5000 pound electric powered vehicle with about 330HP.
I think it makes sense to get the 2024 model. Yes, the 2023 models will be much cheaper but they can't be upgraded to 4.0 software versions. Also, the power and range increase is a very good addition. The bigger infotainment screen and also the illuminated buttons are very good. I wish they changed the windscreen buttons to 4 instead of 2 but I guess they don't want to admit their fault on that.
Thanks for your kind words and for watching. Reviewers make a big deal over the window switches, but we've never really even thought about it. Thanks again!
@@EVeryMile01 That's true. I'm thinking the only time I use the rear window switches is when my kid opens the window and doesn't close it :) otherwise, I don't need to use it.
Nice video. I have wondered why it wasn't possible for vw to allow us to precondition the batteries via some sort of software update. Do you know if this feature is strictly for the 2024 model or will it trickle down to the earlier years as well?
Great question! I’m honestly not sure. I can’t see why it wouldn’t be technically possible since all ID’s have the capacity heat and cool the batteries but I’m skeptical we’ll get on route pre-conditioning.
I should also mention that in Canada, you can now order a 2024 model. The price is higher; my 2023 AWD S is about $3000 CAD more, although a bit of that difference is because my Statement package didn't have the 360 cameras or folding side mirrors.
I disagree, I would prefer a CCS connector for at least a couple more years, then I can use either a CCS dispenser OR a dispenser with a NACS connector .
I really like this capacitive buttons in the steering wheel… said no one EVER! HTF is it possible that they didn’t change those out at the refresh. It’s the most obvious flaw if you take a quick test of the car.
I think it’s the second most obvious flaw. The first, is the failure back-light the capacitive buttons for HVAC temp, which they are finally fixing lol. Thanks for watching.
@@EVeryMile01 That’s also stupid, but for me, I just put it in 21 degrees once and then never touch it as long as I own the car basically. The cruise control on the other hand I use probably 100 times more often.
I've had my Id4 pro S for one month. Today i had an error message that the electrical system was not working properly, then it simply stopped running. Couldn't put it in gear. Just dead
@EVeryMile01 yep but it's a company car so I won't pay for the repairs. But there's not enough technicians to work on these, there's issues no one has thought of. Just a dumb idea, especially when our company "mandates" we all have EV's but I'm going to be in a good old combustion engine till this is fixed
I’m not sure, but I think the prevailing wisdom currently is no. I don’t understand why it wouldn’t be technically possible since the batteries are cooled/heated already in the ‘23s. I really hope I’m wrong. Thanks for watching.
So it looks like VW is working on getting it's 2024 Model to be where Tesla was 5 years ago, and for more money, and crappier software. Wow, I'm impressed!
Certainly not going to improve I.D. sales with this video. Not having battery preconditioning or software updates just seems weird to me. I've owned my Tesla for three years now and know I made the right choice.
I’ve owned a Tesla for four years and it is weird. I don’t personally care about the sales, I’m just sharing the info so folks can make an educated choice. Thanks for watching!
Prices won't go up, I think they will go down because of Tesla vs BYD prices war and batteries produced in China are getting cheaper and cheaper. At the beginning of 2023 1kwh of battery cost was $150, right now it's $50 and it's possible it will go down to $20 next year, because of elements used are cheaper than ever, especially lithium.
@@EVeryMile01Looking at the market they are very determined to overcome Tesla in China itself and they might succeed because they are getting government subsidies which let them operate below profit margin where Tesla is close to the limit of it. In Europe Chinese brands are 2-3x more expensive than in China(thanks to harsh taxation), it makes more difficult to compete with manufacturers like Stellantis, VAG or BMW group because they could flood the market with cheap and high quality cars. Right now Chinese manufacturers are the best in technology (except for Tesla) but overall quality of cars is lacking in case of C-segment and below.
@@Anderus14 These are great cars and I'm honestly rooting for them, but I worry about VWs ongoing competitiveness against Tesla and especially the coming Chinese onslaught of vehicles. The future is BEV but since they got rid of Diess, it seems like trying to straddle ICE and BEV. I understand their profit center is ICE but they are going to have innovate much quicker than they have historically, if they are going to survive long-term. The same could also be said for other traditional OEMs as well. Thanks for watching AND for your insight!!
@@EVeryMile01I agree, EU is forcing ICE production to stop and transform into BEV because they see if they won't do anything it will backfire and kill all European manufacturers especially VAG (automotive is responsible for 25% of German economy) by Chinese cars expansion. VAG until 2 years ago were really sceptical about EV development but still they did create ID line which to be honest were really bad comparing to other manufacturers not even mentioning Tesla. Right now it's development is going into right direction which you can tell by looking at the 2024 models.
That is true. Driving in B mode will get you close, to 3-4 mph, but it does not have true one-pedal driving that will bring you to a full stop. Unfortunately.
It sounds like that’s true but subject to change electrek.co/2024/01/24/vw-says-most-2023-2024-id-4s-will-get-full-7500-ev-tax-credit/#:~:text=“Most”%202023%20and%202024%20VW,full%20%247%2C500%20federal%20tax%20credit.
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Not sure were you checked in EU for the same prices but i just signed a id4 AWD one (so big battery) with all the best packs for 50k euros all taxes included while last year it was in the range of 63k-65k. The prices are so down that the id4 wasn't even in my short list when i started to check for an electric vehicule. At the same time they didn't do anything for the GTX line which with the same equipment is 72K euros. 22K more for not even a 1 sec diffence on the 0-100km... the pricing strategy doesn't make any sense.
Thanks for the update, I’ll pin this comment. We still don’t have US pricing. Here's an article talking about the price cuts in Europe. insideevs.com/news/704003/vw-ev-price-cuts-europe/
Cars are cheaper in the US so i expect the ID 4 to be cheaper than the European version. But also the European version has HUD and DCC.
Я придбав ід4 2023 року за 25,5 к $ в Києві
Nice video and much appreciated. I don’t know if I should feel upset with myself or pleased that I got a great deal on a 2023 model as I just signed my lease this past Monday on a ID.4 S Pro Plus. It’s a hell of a vehicle and a blast to drive and loaded with creature comforts, and as a long time Audi fan. It’s reminiscent of the performance and ride comfort I’d come to love with my Audi. The lack of ventilated seats was nearly a dealbreaker for me, since I live in the Arizona desert, so I’m kind of bummed that I missed out on that upgrade. I don’t care about the larger screen because what I have is large enough. My rep told me 100% for sure that the horsepower and range of the dual batteries would be upgraded to what we see in your video. Can you confirm that? If that’s the case, I won’t feel too bad because I did get an excellent deal. 🙏
First, thanks for watching and for your kind words. You got a great deal on a great car. Certainly, you would not have gotten the same deal on a '24 in 6 months. I will say if it's any solace that the AC in the car is amazing and amazingly efficient and you can pre-cool it with the app even if it's parked in your garage, which is pretty neat. Unfortunately, no, our '23s will not get the range or horsepower upgrades since they are switching to brand new motors to achieve that improvement. Enjoy your car and know that these cars are really tech devices, and tech moves and changes quickly. Take care!
@@EVeryMile01 I guess this can be seen as a good news/bad news story. Good news is that I got a great deal - a little over 12k in discounts and tax credits. The rep stated the same regarding the AC and take you both at your word of course. So that’s all good. But the rep apparently misled me if you’re certain the batteries cannot be upgraded via software. That bothers me. But the good news is that I am ok with the range. Dealer gave me the charging station outright so that’s cool. As for HP, also good news in that the car is already a beast with all that instant torque and HP. I call it the beauty and the beast. But hopefully VW can STILL manage to deliver more performance via software to my existing batteries as Tesla has apparently done with theirs. 🙏🏻
@@TheBerkeleybob Absolutely. Tesla has definitely delivered powertrain improvements via updates but I don't have any confidence in VW's software updates. They are just now doing OTA updates on 2021 models meanwhile our '23 which we've had for over a year now, hasn't had any at all.
@@EVeryMile01 Ok, and fair point. On a positive note, however, the very fact that VW HAS in fact delivered such updates in the past (albeit at a snails pace) suggests to me that it is possible and within their wheelhouse to effect such updates. That would be awesome and I can wait - even if it’s as long as six months to a year. 🙏🏻
Waiting for the latest updates or 2024 model will cost you and also cost customers on the unexpected bugs which come with newer models. The 2023 model is an excellent car and lets you enjoy the experience now. The compromise is worth it and these deals only come beginning of the year
I wouldn't touch a ID4 until the 2024 comes out. The software is going to be a quantum leap ahead.
I hope so!
Even more interesting than the rear motor going from 201 to 280HP is that the torque increased from something like 220lbft to ~400. That puts the new RWD motor at more torque than the old AWD front/rear combined torque.
It gets a little tricky to compare when they're different style motors and geared to different rpms so the actual absolute peak torque might not add, but 400 > 300 > 220 for sure.
My understanding is that the front motor in the AWD stays the same, so that won't get a bump, but the rear motor torque bump is so high that both the RWD and AWD 2024s should feel exceptionally snappy from 5-30mph.
Above 40, HP is probably going to be the more relevant metric and it will perform like any 5000 pound electric powered vehicle with about 330HP.
Absolutely. Thanks for the insight and for watching.
I really hope they are able to add the preconditioning to pre 2024 models cause it would really be beneficial on my 2023.
Yes, it definitely would! Thanks for watching!
So far so good in our 24.
Awesome, glad to hear it.
I think it makes sense to get the 2024 model. Yes, the 2023 models will be much cheaper but they can't be upgraded to 4.0 software versions. Also, the power and range increase is a very good addition. The bigger infotainment screen and also the illuminated buttons are very good. I wish they changed the windscreen buttons to 4 instead of 2 but I guess they don't want to admit their fault on that.
Thanks for your kind words and for watching. Reviewers make a big deal over the window switches, but we've never really even thought about it. Thanks again!
@@EVeryMile01 That's true. I'm thinking the only time I use the rear window switches is when my kid opens the window and doesn't close it :) otherwise, I don't need to use it.
Nice video. I have wondered why it wasn't possible for vw to allow us to precondition the batteries via some sort of software update. Do you know if this feature is strictly for the 2024 model or will it trickle down to the earlier years as well?
Great question! I’m honestly not sure. I can’t see why it wouldn’t be technically possible since all ID’s have the capacity heat and cool the batteries but I’m skeptical we’ll get on route pre-conditioning.
Current reports note that features of the 4.0 software are not backwards compatible to earlier software versions.
I should also mention that in Canada, you can now order a 2024 model. The price is higher; my 2023 AWD S is about $3000 CAD more, although a bit of that difference is because my Statement package didn't have the 360 cameras or folding side mirrors.
Only 2024 models will get 4.0, 2023 and earlier models don't have hardware good enough for software update.
I disagree, I would prefer a CCS connector for at least a couple more years, then I can use either a CCS dispenser OR a dispenser with a NACS connector
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I really like this capacitive buttons in the steering wheel… said no one EVER! HTF is it possible that they didn’t change those out at the refresh. It’s the most obvious flaw if you take a quick test of the car.
I think it’s the second most obvious flaw. The first, is the failure back-light the capacitive buttons for HVAC temp, which they are finally fixing lol. Thanks for watching.
@@EVeryMile01 That’s also stupid, but for me, I just put it in 21 degrees once and then never touch it as long as I own the car basically. The cruise control on the other hand I use probably 100 times more often.
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Personally, I really like the capacitive buttons on my GTI. I wouldn’t trade them for “real” buttons.
I've had my Id4 pro S for one month. Today i had an error message that the electrical system was not working properly, then it simply stopped running. Couldn't put it in gear. Just dead
Oh, that’s terrible.
@EVeryMile01 yep but it's a company car so I won't pay for the repairs. But there's not enough technicians to work on these, there's issues no one has thought of. Just a dumb idea, especially when our company "mandates" we all have EV's but I'm going to be in a good old combustion engine till this is fixed
Do you think that there is going to be a software update for the 23s with the pre-conditioning?
I’m not sure, but I think the prevailing wisdom currently is no. I don’t understand why it wouldn’t be technically possible since the batteries are cooled/heated already in the ‘23s. I really hope I’m wrong. Thanks for watching.
Only 2024 models will get it, it's a built-in function for 4.0 software.
So it looks like VW is working on getting it's 2024 Model to be where Tesla was 5 years ago, and for more money, and crappier software. Wow, I'm impressed!
Thanks for watching!
Yep this is all good info about 2024 ID4. More EV to choose from is a good win for everyone. Less ICE vehicles sold is even better.
I agree 100%. Thanks for watching.
Certainly not going to improve I.D. sales with this video.
Not having battery preconditioning or software updates just seems weird to me.
I've owned my Tesla for three years now and know I made the right choice.
I’ve owned a Tesla for four years and it is weird. I don’t personally care about the sales, I’m just sharing the info so folks can make an educated choice. Thanks for watching!
... Except that it's embarrassing to drive Elon Musk's car, given that he lets the Russians use Starlink.
4.9s for awd
Awesome! Thanks for the update.
Prices won't go up, I think they will go down because of Tesla vs BYD prices war and batteries produced in China are getting cheaper and cheaper. At the beginning of 2023 1kwh of battery cost was $150, right now it's $50 and it's possible it will go down to $20 next year, because of elements used are cheaper than ever, especially lithium.
I agree. It all depends on how serious they are about competing with Tesla.
@@EVeryMile01Looking at the market they are very determined to overcome Tesla in China itself and they might succeed because they are getting government subsidies which let them operate below profit margin where Tesla is close to the limit of it. In Europe Chinese brands are 2-3x more expensive than in China(thanks to harsh taxation), it makes more difficult to compete with manufacturers like Stellantis, VAG or BMW group because they could flood the market with cheap and high quality cars. Right now Chinese manufacturers are the best in technology (except for Tesla) but overall quality of cars is lacking in case of C-segment and below.
@@Anderus14 These are great cars and I'm honestly rooting for them, but I worry about VWs ongoing competitiveness against Tesla and especially the coming Chinese onslaught of vehicles. The future is BEV but since they got rid of Diess, it seems like trying to straddle ICE and BEV. I understand their profit center is ICE but they are going to have innovate much quicker than they have historically, if they are going to survive long-term. The same could also be said for other traditional OEMs as well. Thanks for watching AND for your insight!!
@@EVeryMile01I agree, EU is forcing ICE production to stop and transform into BEV because they see if they won't do anything it will backfire and kill all European manufacturers especially VAG (automotive is responsible for 25% of German economy) by Chinese cars expansion. VAG until 2 years ago were really sceptical about EV development but still they did create ID line which to be honest were really bad comparing to other manufacturers not even mentioning Tesla. Right now it's development is going into right direction which you can tell by looking at the 2024 models.
I hope the 2021 ID4’s get the software update as well cuz that’s why I got.
You should get an over the air update but you won’t get on route pre-condition, unfortunately.
@@EVeryMile01 it wasn’t an issue before, I think I would be ok without the pre-conditioning. But can’t wait for the update!
@@mikehernandez452 It isn't an issue if you don't do many road trips in cold weather that require dc fast charging.
@@EVeryMile01 that’s true! I mostly charge at home and do most road trips during summer time.
We want PHYSICAL buttons on the steering wheel 😀
How is the one pedal driving? I was told that VW didn't have full regenerative braking that could take you to a complete stop.
That is true. Driving in B mode will get you close, to 3-4 mph, but it does not have true one-pedal driving that will bring you to a full stop. Unfortunately.
Needs more range, pre-conditioning and route planning.
The '24 will have pre-conditioning and the current model has route planning. Range requirements are use-specific. Thanks for watching.
This is not the 2024, you are in a 2023.
Correct.
I've heard that VD 1D.4's with the LG battery are no longer eligible for the full tax credit whereas those with the SK battery are.
It sounds like that’s true but subject to change electrek.co/2024/01/24/vw-says-most-2023-2024-id-4s-will-get-full-7500-ev-tax-credit/#:~:text=“Most”%202023%20and%202024%20VW,full%20%247%2C500%20federal%20tax%20credit.
Yes. And the government's standards for the source of battery materials require more U.S.-sourced materials as the years go on.
I literally just purchased my 2024 id4 last week, and I will be getting the 7500 tax credit.