Me (German); I remember reading the original story when I was little and it was the first time I read the word Rapunzel in that context... Like... Why dontcha just say Salat?
Gothel in Tangled caused many people who are emotional abuse survivors (including me) to have flashbacks. That whole "team Gothel" thing kinda boiled my beans too
Madd1e Lov3ly lmfao do you regularly watch Disney movies!? Mother Gothel’s death wasn’t at all outstanding. Look at Lion King or Snow White or Princess Frog. Also, Gothel wasn’t murdered. Her death was an accident. She tripped and fell out the window because she was being dramatic over being old
@@madd1egurl216 alright I am also a GT fan but that doesn't have a point? Secondly yes everyone is entitled to their opinion but its concerning to hear someone say that they support an abusive mother. Abuse doesnt have multiple sides, its wrong and you should never forgive an abuser unless they take massive strides to be a better person.
Yeah, mother Gothel was the “bad guy” and kept her locked up in a tower and was overprotective and all, but at least she didn’t SELL RAPUNZEL FOR A SALAD-
This story was probably in the time you could burn someone alive claim they were gay or a witch and have no consequences it would be pretty acceptible back then
To be fair, the story is old enough that marriage at 13 or 14 was not terribly uncommon. Gotta start spitting them kids out early, y'know. It doesn't bother me for this reason; I know the time period is supposed yo be an earlier age than the time that the brothers Grimm had written it down. Even in their time, marriage was usually understood somewhere between 16 to 18.
Yeah, this is really important to keep in mind with a lot of old stories--the start of puberty was pretty much the start of adulthood. Also "husband with money that cares about you at all" would have been a pretty good deal in those days--after all, most marriages were more about dowries and lust than anything like romance.
Okay I hate to be That Guy, but *actually,* ephebophilia was not as widely accepted in Ye Olde Times as the common trope would lead you to believe. Remember that people wrote down a lot more about the upper classes than the commoners, so the cultural norms of the super rich are over-represented when we look to the past. Remember also that extremely low historical life expectancies are mostly down to sky-high infant mortality. The people you'd run into in your normal day-to-day life didn't typically start dropping dead at 30. Additionally, teen pregnancy has always been more risky than pregnancy after 20, and in premodern times death by childbirth was no joke. Yes, marrying your kids off as young as possible for political and financial gain as soon as possible makes a lot of sense if you're royalty, but, if you're wise, you don't start pestering them for grandkids until she's about 20ish because it's an unnecessary gamble with your investment. On the other hand, if you're a peasant who doesn't have to worry about that shit... you still don't want your daughters keeling over dead from being pregnant at 13. Marrying for love and waiting until it's safe(r) to from babby to get married makes a lot more sense.
@@catwhiskers4885 How do you know? It was never speciefied. Heck. Usualy in fairytales the age of the protagonists is not speciefied. No. The age of anyone is not speciefied... Also. Even if the prince was way older. At the time, they did not care. You could have been 12 and be married to a 30 years old man. They cared about the babies. *HISTORICALY ACCURATE PORTRAYAL OF A MEDIEVAL MARRIAGE PROPOSAL IN THE UPPER CLASS* *daughter:* "Mother, my lower parts are bleeding. I think I got the terrible sickness that killed my father after he had fun with the servant 😥 Call the priest!" *Rich medieval mother:* "You got blood flowing out of your coochie for the first time?? Well sweetie, I guess it's time for you to meet the husband we choose when you were born because he found you cute.💁" *daughter:* 😦 *rich medieval mother:* "BE SURE TO GIVE HIM AT LEAST 34 BABIES, OTHERWISE YOU ARE WORTH NOTHING. HE GAVE 500 GOLDS TO BUY YOU!!"
ACTUALLY...Grimm's Rapunzel was based on an Italian fairy tale called Petrosinella, where the Rapunzel character and her prince get away from the witch by outsmarting her..and throwing magic beans at her. the Grimms basically took this version and made it "dark and edgy" kinda like they did with Charles Perrault's Cinderella.
In the time from the Grimms Ther we're already planty of versions of this tail Out in Europa. And they Just invited everybody to there House to Tell the Storys and versions there know. Ther are No "origin" Version of tails.
@@alcortes1644 it would have been funny if it didn't matter that the beans were magic. I'm just imagining them climbing up a wall to get away from her or something, the prince screams "she's catching up with us, what do we do?" And in desperation they just start throwing small beans at the witch until one lands in her eye or something making her lose her grip.
The fact your team Gothel is scary. Her mother is a narcissist and abusive....... I mean the Grimm one is kind of understandable but the Disney one? HELL no. She is my favorite villain because she's actually scary and realistic. I don't see how her side is the least bit justifiable.
I agree, Gothel is pure evil through and through, *because* she is so realistic. She *tells* Rapunzel she loves her because of course she would, she wants Rapunzel to believe she has her best interests at heart. She tells Rapunzel the world is scary because of course she would, narcissistic parents will gladly weave in little kernels of truth into their webs of lies; it's kind of how they operate. Gothel doesn't know how to communicate; she knows how to *manipulate.* The Grimm version is a little understandable, but not that much. She took a child from her parents to trade for a flower, locked Rapunzel in a tower with no warning or reason, and when Rapunzel got pregnant, she abandoned her in a desert. There is just no way anyone can be Team Gothel here. LOL
As someone who as a mother that says similar things as Gothel (she’s said the “I’ll be the bad guy” and such so many times when I’ve been upset), Gothel is terrifying. It’s a classic case of emotional manipulation and abuse.
"I am team Gothel all the way" Minutes afterr she stated that Gothel has thrown the 13ish year old pregnant rapunzel into a desert to fend for herself, because Rapunzel did something Gothel didn´t like XD
That's not really the point.- since in Grimm, at least she has a reason to do that, Rapunzel has stymied(and the prince)Gothel, in that story, Gothel did truly love Rapunzel. It's the movie from Disney where things get dark. Gothel in that story is a gaslighter, and manipulator, abusive, vain, and just a terrible person. She doesn't really love Rapunzel. Only her hair, which has magically powers to make a person pretty, that makes Gothel also vain. Gothel is also a narcisist. Yeah so I'm team Rapunzel's tower the whole way.
TO quote another story you've discussed to explain Gothel and Rapunzel in Tangled: "The other mother loved her. But she loved Coraline as a miser loves money, or a dragon loves its gold. In the other mother's button eyes, Coraline knew knew that the other mother loved her as a possession, nothing more, a tolerated pet whose behavior was no longer amusing.
well, that woman lied to her for almost 2 decades just to use her magic hair. locking & preventing her from knowing what the real world is, her true family, her purpose, and such. and of course she wouldn't cry about her first, since eugene, the one that exposed her to the truth is dying from blood loss :/
@@aman7930 Well you have a point. Still, even if she was a liar, Rapunzel spent her years thinking she's her mother. I was surprised when she showed no reaction. But i understand what you mean
even though in the movie she’s animated, she has immediate regret when she reaches out for gothel. i dont think she should have been sad because she at least regretted it.
i actually read a version of this story in wich the enchantress transforms rapunzel's parents in birds and keeps them locked up because the rapunzel's mother tried to resist giving her daughter
To say Disney Gothel's love was unhealthy is a bit... I'm not sure abusers actually feel love, and Gothel is an abusive, manipulative woman who keeps Rapunzel purposefully disempowered. The first song by her is the prime example, even if it might seem reasonable given the circumstances but she's still trying to put Rapunzel down after she's proven she's more than capable of surviving in the outside world. First thing she tells her when they meet again? "You think he's impressed?" One last attempt to disempower her and she breaks into song about how her naivety is getting in the way of reason and how she should come back to the tower because nobody else could love her (implied message since the only other person who's shown interest is being painted as faking it, projection much?), she's the perfect definition of abusing your position as a parent figure to keep a child feeling as useless as possible. Anyway! I have strong opinions about this topic :D
Compared to other abusive parental figures in Disney movies (namely Lady Tremaine and Frollo), I honestly think that Gothel is one of the more terrifying villains. While Lady Tremaine and Frollo do use similar tactics to keep Cinderella and Quasimodo is line, such as imprinting a sense of fear into their minds or making empty promises that they can easy break with just a twist of words, their main form of oppression is through abuse of authority and brute force. Meanwhile, Gothel is able to singlehandedly keep Rapunzel under her thumb by saying all these hurtful words with a smile on her face, luring Rapunzel into a false sense of security. I think it’s more horrifying when a parent is able to be abusive through fake love than through constant violence and oppression.
Well people who are abusive tend to be those who were abused. That's what they were taught, it's how they were conditioned to show love (and show they're angry). Sadly enough, she may have loved her (though I'm not particularly convinced she loved her all that much, she seemed much too possessive). She also was probably panicked when she saw how independent she had become, and expressed it in the only way she knew how.
Sammy Davis nah gothel only loved the flower (or rather, the effect of its magical powers), and rapunzel was just a living thing happening to embody the powers of the flower. This just made things more complicated for gothel to get her youth treatment, since a moving human is more difficult to contain than a planted flower, hence why she locked rapunzel up in the tower and manipulated her for 18 years into not leaving it. Rapunzel was straight up her property, and gothel only loved the part of her that was useful to her own means (i.e. rapunzels hair), on the condition that she could exploit it whenever. You can see this in moments where gothel tells she ‘cares’ about rapunzel while cuddling her hairlocks. Also notice how her nickname for rapunzel is ‘my flower’. Gothel’s afwul, honestly
@@thatcoffee I definitely agree that she's awful, and you make a good point there, she's definitely more controlling and possessive of her than loving I'll give you that
I have been wondering if Gothel was hurt in a pass relationship because when she sings mother knows best the reprise she said once he gets "it" he'll leave her. Even if it seems she was mentioning the crown I think it was more referring to her virginity, you know when guys gets it he'll leave. Yes mother Gothel loved Rapunzel but it was especially because of the flower and well if she didn't feel at least a small amount of love she would've never raised rapunzel and would keep her locked up somewhere.
Actually, I remember from watching Tangled’s deleted scenes that one of the original openings was a lot closer to the Grimm story. Gothel kept the healing flower in a garden surrounding her home, and the King snatched it from her out of desperation when she refused to hand it over. Gothel then stole Rapunzel from her parents as revenge.
@Keira Meehan well there is a difference. 1. The queen used it to save 2 lives hers and Repunzel's as although now an in born baby can technically bee saved if the mother dies before it is born with proper medical supplies it's unlikely but back then it would be impossible. 2. Gothel was using it to artificially extend her life past a naturally possible limit. The queen seemed to be somewhere in her late 20s to maybe mid to late 30's or early 40s and was sick. Based on the movie and show the queen had at least 18 more years left where as the when Gothel had absolutely no time once the magic from the flower was gone.
in the grimms fairytale it was in gothels garden, as well as the fact that gothel was keeping the flower alive for centuries. They could've just used a petal of the flower, rather than destroy the whole flower for jsut one soup to save one life. Gothel could've been using the flower to help sure, but she was keeping it alive. The father was stealing from gothels garden to get the rapunzel flower, and he tried to take the whole one. Then the queen bargained with him, the flower for the babies life. The King AGREED which means that it was fair.
I think Gothel's the villain since the begging because she psychologically manipulated Rapunzel through the years for her own selfish reasons. She only cared for the powers, that's something we can see the whole time by the way she's always touching, kissing, praising and thinking about Rapunzel's HAIR.
I was thinking the same. I believe that the "warning of outside danger" were not to make Rapunzel aware of things, but to prevent her from leaving the tower on her own, thus making Gothel lose her "new flower". I mean, feelings might have been developed but Mother Gothel's actions in the movie (manipulating Rapunzel through fear and guilt) might be pretty self explainatory of her motives
ArcadeAngel 81 almost everyone where I live thinks so, and almost all my online friends believe so too! She manipulates Rapunzel into thinking that everything in the world is terrible and awful when in reality it’s not the worst. Sure she met Flynn and he definitely as a good guy but he wasn’t the worst. She made Rapunzel feel small and stupid for wanting to go outside just to see some lights, instead of Gothel just watching the lights with her and acting as if it was nothing she made a huge deal out of it! If you look at the beginning of the movie you see Gothel has a door and when Rapunzel goes out of her room you see she only has curtains. Gothel has the option to shut Rapunzel out but Rapunzel never had that option. Mother Gothel manipulates Rapunzel into believing that she can’t do anything else but what she’s been doing for years, making her read the same basic books and having her clean the entire tower every day. She makes candles and paints and does the same things, getting bored. Even when she’s singing the opening song you hear her talking about doing the same boring things while she’s wondering about when her life will begin since Gothel never lets her out of the house. When Gothel first yells at Rapunzel that she can’t leave the tower she says “great, now I’m the bad guy” making it seem like she did nothing wrong and that Rapunzel pushed her to that point when she only asked to go outside. She could have just went into the small area, she didn’t want to go into town she just wanted to go out and feel the grass on her feet and run around! She let her do nothing and trapped her in the tower and intended on keeping her there until she died! She never cared about Rapunzel, just her abilities
@@thewritingloft there are many Disney villains which were far more charismatic, with more dimentions to their characters, etc. While Gothel fulfills her role as a villain for the story, she is nowhere near the standards of the classic Disney villains...
Starstruck its not better but that was normal, like nowadays you dont go outside and see loads of women wearing petticoats but at one point in time many of them did
I'm really sorry sis, but I cannot get behind being "Team Gothel." It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this is a textbook case of Stockholm Syndrome. Especially with how Gothel belittles Rapunzel, then tells her she's "just teasing", that can be interpreted as a manipulation tactic to make her insecure and dependant. This part is a little more obscure, but notice how her nickname for Rapunzel is Little Flower, and how whenever she kisses Rapunzel on the head, she's actually kissing her hair? And furthermore, in Disney's retelling, yeah her flower was stolen, but never once was it established as HER flower. The flower belonged to the forest, and that did not make it whatsoever justifiable to steal a child from the king and queen. The child being taken was never part of any bargain after all, and that's just straight up kidnapping. Mother Gothel, I don't think, loved Rapunzel. She may have tricked herself into thinking she loved her to justify her actions, but she loved her hair. She loved being young and healthy. Never once did she take into consideration Rapuznel's own emotions, as she kept her locked in that tower for entirely selfish reasons. Not to mention, she also tried to lock her up the moment Rapunzel tried to leave, threatening to keep her by her side unwillingly forever, and proceeded to stab Eugene without a single second thought, simply so he'd be out of the way. And even when she died, knowing full well everything that Gothel had done to her Rapunzel reached out when she fell, because she recognized her as her caretaker. Which is SO disturbing, like I said before, that is major Stockholm Syndrome. So, yeah. Down with Mother Gothel.
The only love Gothel had towards Rapunzel was and unhealthy love Gothel didn't really love Rapunzel, she loved the power Rapunzel had making someone younger or healing wounds when they sing. Gothel only wanted to protect Rapunzel because of her ability. Stoll a good video though I was familiar with the original version of Rapunzel I enjoyed watching the video
I remember reading this version of the story!! I never thought it was that creepy... but then again, they never mentioned her age in the Dutch version.
Agreed, people like Gothel are incapable of love, because they don't want to love. Also, I'm very sorry your mother is abusive. You're right, it's not love, they're all about power.
@Riyan Ali It's not that easy. Most of the time they can't do anything. I have had two friends w/ abusive parents who had called cps/"the police" before and it didn't solve anything.
I think scenarios like Rapunzel being thirteen and doing THAT shizz is due to the fact that it wasn't based in our time where it isn't normal for 13 year olds.
Nikonikolay Zi they did, they started having kids at about 13-14. They would also have lots, because the more kids you have the more chances they have of at least one surviving
@@nicholegz8631 the old lifespan was closer to 30. If someone wasn't married by 25 they thought the woman was past child bearing age. So 13 in a way was half a normal life. Still not ok, but it was a product of the time
@@nicholegz8631 Late but, they actually did have very decent lifespans. The reason for the lower average lifespan was because of things like infant mortality and illnesses. But, if you had died by old age, it would have still been about 60-80 years old.
Apparently not everyone was happy with the original ending, so he released a second version where after she turns into foam, she feels herself rise up and becomes a spirit or a "daughter of the air".
^^^ he still gave it an interesting caveat though, where she would remain that way until she earned a human soul to be with her prince in 100 years (since that was a recurring theme throughout the story) but any time she saw a child cry it added another year to her sentence. So basically she’d never be really happy anyway /shrug/
My uncle actually bought the movie for me when I was 7 years old it was one of my favorites but sadly got ruined by a faulty cassette player by the time I was 15
apparently it was based after Hans Christian Anderson having a crush on a man. hans gave the dude a love letter but the guy rejected him, so Hans wrote the story as "two men falling in love is the same as a mermaid and man falling in love" which is why it doesn't have a happy ending.
@@pheenixgryphon7857 Sooo... Excluding what I've said, which was mostly in jest, there is actually an explanation as to how she could both love her and abandon her, that being mother Gothel has an undiagnosed mental disorder.
Gothel either had anger issues or maybe was either bipolar, if this fairytale was real I am pretty sure she would have been regretting her decision right after she threw Rapunzel in the desert.
Gothel in Tangled was emotionally abusive, even if she was just "livin' her best life," it doesn't excuse how she treated Rapunzel. Conditioning her to believe men have sharp teeth, the world is bad, and Rapunzel's too weak to take of herself. Like, praising her while ignoring those facts, in favor of having a strong independent woman TM representation, is problematic in itself. But. Go. Off.
Yeah, but I would say men do have sharp teeth, because if you ever looked at your own mouth, regardless of gender, you would know that some teeth, like your incisors are actually kinda sharp. Teeth can be sharp, just saying. Saying that men have sharp teeth isn't false but it leaves out the fact that incisors are found across all genders, so yeah, the wording is misleading. But you know... so is Mother Gothel.
>on team gothel >literally cuts off her daughter's hair and throws her off the 70 ft tower and abandons her alone in the desert forever. And in the disney version mother gothel verbally abuses Rapunzel her whole life and feeds her lies that could've given her extreme paranoia. Mother Gothel's team is NOT one to be on...
Thank you! The Disney Gothel only cared about Rapunzel's hair... Nothing else. She never loved Rapunzel she was just pretending to because she was a greedy narcissist. I could see how you could empathize with some villains but I don't empathize with Gothel at all. 🤨
Umm in the Grimm version, the term used was "Banished". Rapunzel wasn't thrown from the tower. The prince however, throws HIMSELF off the tower in learning Rapunzel "was lost to him forever".
That’s like saying “yes, I realize you need this flower to stay alive, but I need to have a baby and this is the only way for some reason, and I cannot just simply have another
@@evanance4991 still, if you take something that isn't yours, but you don't know it, it is still stealing. So Rapunzel is kinda Gothel's property (I know that sounds messed up). And it was Gothel that took care of her for 18 years, with quite some luxury for the time, mind you.
Nike_Aguaraguazu it’s definitely stealing in the original version, but in tangled, the flower was growing in a random field area (only in the disney version does the flower keep gothel immortal, so i assumed the original comment was abt that version)
I honestly love gothel's character even though she's so awfully manipulative. Her character is one of the most realistic villians out there, using subtle manipulation to hold Rapunzel back. She kept guilt tripping her into staying because then if Rapunzel spoke back and Gothel yelled, then suddenly she's the "bad guy" for yelling. Its so toxic, its amazing how Rapunzel managed to actually leave the house.
She didn't "spat on the ground below" actually all her youth went away and mother gothel turned to dust before she hit the ground and only her cloak hit the ground
I know I’m late but no, gothel was NOT just living her life in the movie. She was cruel, manipulative, and abusive. She does not love rapunzel, she loves her magic hair that kept her alive for hundreds of years. I sincerely hope you’re joking because if not then it worries me how you and all the other people in these comments are dismissive about abuse.
Honestly, the Gothel in Tangled was extremely scary considering how well portrayed she is as a person with narcissistic personality disorder, especially with the way she treated both Rapunzel and her own biological daughter from the TV series, seeing them as tools for her own uses rather than as actual daughters (the former to keep her young and alive, the latter as a servant that cleaned the house and was left alone for large periods of time. Child endangerment and neglect is no joke, Gothel!). You could say Rapunzel was the *golden child* of the situation while her biological child wasn't even treated as a daughter despite all the love her daughter tried to give her in the hopes of being loved back The scary part is there are people in the real world that are exactly like Gothel, they don't love their children but love to make them dependent and have them worship the narcissist, while lovebombing and gaslighting their victims in a situation they cannot escape I'm on book Gothel's side, though, book Gothel was less of a dick in comparison despite the inability to communicate with Rapunzel
@shipperina2213 - they're not mutually exclusive. Some forms of abusive parents are the result of personality disorders like NPD and disorders like bipolar and BPD when they're medically untreated or even refuse treatment...
@@lazyperfectionist3978 that is not true, while they can be abusive and have NPD or BPD, to say that these disorders cause abusive parents and people is just straight up false. There is too many abusers out there compared to the actual disorder. That is why I said they are abusive, not disordered. Their abusive behaviour is a choice, not a result of a disorder. If someone have anxiety, it may affect the way the behave, but if they start lashing out on others it is their choice no one else's.
@@shipperina2213 - tell me you don't understand personality disorders without telling me you don't understand personality disorders Again, I specified *_untreated_* disorders that can make it more likely to result in abusive behaviour, these disorders literally affect how they behave and treat other human beings under their care, meaning it's not entirely fair to blame their actions as purely intentional especially when they have less control of their emotions and rational skills compared to someone who does not have those disorders. It does not excuse their behaviour especially when they disregard any attempts to reduce the risk of harm they may cause, especially with those who have NPD, but it's _specifically understanding what is causing these behaviours in the first place_ that should be focused on here in order to rectify and support survivors of abuse
There are actually edible flowers that either are a) medicinal or b) actually palatable like squash blossoms. Rapunzel is also a type of lettuce and it's been suggested that Rapunzel's mother was craving a salad which isn't too far-fetched for an expecting mother to go nuts over.
I've always loved origins of stories. Mostly cause the older origins help show what was most important or what it was like for the writer when they created the story. There like magical written time portals that show the past and how many things are issues that have been around longer then just a few generations but have been happening since humans gained morals.
My sister told me this story because I was picking blackberries while hanging upside down on a tree branch (the top of the bush has the sweetest berries) It was her way of keeping me safe, in her version the prince was torn apart but by bit by the old hags’s crows after he went blind and could only crawl around due to broken legs, eating the bottom sour pissed on berries and never got to meet his children, dying slowly rupunzel died of grief from never seeing him again despite calling for him and the children where taken in by the hag as slaves never been stupid about thorn bushes after that. Thanks for sharing this story 💙
i heard the real story before i watched the disney version, and i never thought it was problematic or spooky BUT GURRRRL I WAS MORE TERRIFIED OF YOUR DRAWINGS THAN THE ACTUAL FREAKIN STORY
@@reporteddoppo700 no shes not. In the movie tangle shes 18. She even uses her age as proof that she is old enough to go out and see the "stars". Flinn is 26. If you ment in brothers Grimm reservon, then yeah she was around 13 14 while he's like 17 maybe or in the 20s. Im not sure, but their was a big age gap in the brothers grimm.
Rapunzel is my favorite Disney Princess, I just love her character, Eugene's character, the villain, the songs, the visuals, the story, and to be honest I feel like it is one of the most realistic couples Disney ever made.
The even older version of this tale is quite different, it doesn't feature a prince at all and is all about Rapunzel being reunited with her mother. It would be interesting to see a video on that version as well :) Also I think in the versions I heard as a kid the father doesn't just casually trade his unborn child for a flower but he's really desperate to get the flower for his wife who has crazy pregnancy cravings/an illness and is convinced that she will die without the healing flower... so he's basically just deciding to save his wife rather than lose both wife and child.
I remember reading “The Mouse, the Bird, and the Sausage” by Brothers Grimm. Literally terrified me when I was young because of how sudden everything happened 😂
For my sixth grade theatre class, my friends and I had to read the Grimm version, watch Tangled and then make our own version. Haha... we added so much dark humor.
When I was a child, I used to really love the ''Donkeyskin'' fairytale as I related a lot with the princess who disguised herself as ugly in front of everyone and made herself beautiful when no-one was around. Then I learned a bit more about the origin, where her own father try to force her to marry him and, even if I still love the tale, I still think it's a bit disturbing.
Oh My. That tale sounds lovely at first (I have never heard of it!) but wow that got dark. Thank you for sharing about it! I will try to find a version :)
Your whole persona, including artwork, charisma, and sense of humour, makes me wonder why you're only on 71k subs. I was expecting a clickbait video that could provide background noise but I was forced to give this my undivided attention. You've clearly thoroughly researched to find a genuinely interesting topic and your shading style has a feel to it that I've only found in a handful of other media and is difficult to describe. It's sort of like a visual representation of a dark joke. One tends to think everything has been done before, but this was truly unique and took me by surprise. Thank you for this.
i learned the one about her prince getting blined when I was like 6 bcs i had the grimms books lol 😂😂 i remember founding it weird how they rlly wanted the veg
1:20 wait I think I just got the reference okay Anyone else read the Lunar Chronicles? No? Well it's basically re imagined fairy tales in the future Anyway Cress Darnel's (Rapunzel) love interest Carswell Thorne has a spaceship called the Rampion and-
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Fun fact: fairytale Rapunzel probably knew the sorceress wasn't her real mother, as "Mother Gothel" is an old way to say "Godmother"
However, she never had contact aside from mother gothel, so it would be no different from saying mum- wouldn’t it?
Rapunzel's Oddparents!
her name in the fairytale was actually Dame Gothel.
Oh cool!
Please Frankie make a seris out of the creepier version of fairytales and coraline. P.s I do enjoy the other video's you make on your channel.
Fun Fact: The original flower was lamb's lettuce which is called "Feldsalat" or "Rapunzel" in German.
Me (German); I remember reading the original story when I was little and it was the first time I read the word Rapunzel in that context... Like... Why dontcha just say Salat?
LETTUCE LETTUCE LET DOWN YOUR HAIR
Just imagine Flynn yelling LAMBS LETTUCE LAMBS LETTUCE LET DOWN YOUR HAIR. Then Eugene Firzherbert isn’t that weird😂😂😂
I am German
No wonder in "Into the Woods" one of the princes said to his brother who is falling for Rapunzel "RAPUNZEL?!! WHO NAMES THEIR CHILD RAPUNZEL?!"
Dark Roots, like hair... get it hahah
thats... kind of the joke...
Thetom5000 Yeah duh 🤦🏼♀️
@@audr1enlive r/woooosh
Get out
audrien r/whoosh
**Says that she's team Gothel**
RED FLAG, RED FLAG, RED FLAG-
Gothel in Tangled caused many people who are emotional abuse survivors (including me) to have flashbacks. That whole "team Gothel" thing kinda boiled my beans too
S.a.m.e. Like I think she's saying it for comedic purposes.... I hope.... but still .
Madd1e Lov3ly lmfao do you regularly watch Disney movies!? Mother Gothel’s death wasn’t at all outstanding. Look at Lion King or Snow White or Princess Frog. Also, Gothel wasn’t murdered. Her death was an accident. She tripped and fell out the window because she was being dramatic over being old
@@madd1egurl216 alright I am also a GT fan but that doesn't have a point? Secondly yes everyone is entitled to their opinion but its concerning to hear someone say that they support an abusive mother. Abuse doesnt have multiple sides, its wrong and you should never forgive an abuser unless they take massive strides to be a better person.
Yeah, mother Gothel was the “bad guy” and kept her locked up in a tower and was overprotective and all, but at least she didn’t SELL RAPUNZEL FOR A SALAD-
Nooooo. Gothel is a gaslighting mentally abusive manipulator! That is not actual love! HECK NO.
Mmmm
My mother begs to differ
@@komrot5305 If your mom is anything like Gothel I have some bad news...
This story was probably in the time you could burn someone alive claim they were gay or a witch and have no consequences it would be pretty acceptible back then
Cinema Therapy has a great episode on Mother Gothel
To be fair, the story is old enough that marriage at 13 or 14 was not terribly uncommon. Gotta start spitting them kids out early, y'know. It doesn't bother me for this reason; I know the time period is supposed yo be an earlier age than the time that the brothers Grimm had written it down. Even in their time, marriage was usually understood somewhere between 16 to 18.
Yeah, this is really important to keep in mind with a lot of old stories--the start of puberty was pretty much the start of adulthood. Also "husband with money that cares about you at all" would have been a pretty good deal in those days--after all, most marriages were more about dowries and lust than anything like romance.
Okay I hate to be That Guy, but *actually,* ephebophilia was not as widely accepted in Ye Olde Times as the common trope would lead you to believe. Remember that people wrote down a lot more about the upper classes than the commoners, so the cultural norms of the super rich are over-represented when we look to the past. Remember also that extremely low historical life expectancies are mostly down to sky-high infant mortality. The people you'd run into in your normal day-to-day life didn't typically start dropping dead at 30. Additionally, teen pregnancy has always been more risky than pregnancy after 20, and in premodern times death by childbirth was no joke. Yes, marrying your kids off as young as possible for political and financial gain as soon as possible makes a lot of sense if you're royalty, but, if you're wise, you don't start pestering them for grandkids until she's about 20ish because it's an unnecessary gamble with your investment.
On the other hand, if you're a peasant who doesn't have to worry about that shit... you still don't want your daughters keeling over dead from being pregnant at 13. Marrying for love and waiting until it's safe(r) to from babby to get married makes a lot more sense.
This still doesn’t make it right especially since the prince is so much older
@@catwhiskers4885
How do you know?
It was never speciefied.
Heck.
Usualy in fairytales the age of the protagonists is not speciefied.
No.
The age of anyone is not speciefied...
Also.
Even if the prince was way older.
At the time, they did not care.
You could have been 12 and be married to a 30 years old man.
They cared about the babies.
*HISTORICALY ACCURATE PORTRAYAL OF A MEDIEVAL MARRIAGE PROPOSAL IN THE UPPER CLASS*
*daughter:*
"Mother, my lower parts are bleeding. I think I got the terrible sickness that killed my father after he had fun with the servant 😥
Call the priest!"
*Rich medieval mother:*
"You got blood flowing out of your coochie for the first time??
Well sweetie, I guess it's time for you to meet the husband we choose when you were born because he found you cute.💁"
*daughter:*
😦
*rich medieval mother:*
"BE SURE TO GIVE HIM AT LEAST 34 BABIES, OTHERWISE YOU ARE WORTH NOTHING.
HE GAVE 500 GOLDS TO BUY YOU!!"
Actually, it depended on geographical region and social status, since at that time, puberty started much later.
ACTUALLY...Grimm's Rapunzel was based on an Italian fairy tale called Petrosinella, where the Rapunzel character and her prince get away from the witch by outsmarting her..and throwing magic beans at her. the Grimms basically took this version and made it "dark and edgy" kinda like they did with Charles Perrault's Cinderella.
In the time from the Grimms Ther we're already planty of versions of this tail Out in Europa. And they Just invited everybody to there House to Tell the Storys and versions there know. Ther are No "origin" Version of tails.
Throwing magic beans at her... Like Setsubun in Japan? Where they throw beans at oni (demons) which burns their skin and kills them?
@@kal9728 no, the beans turned into things that fought off the witch.
@@alcortes1644 it would have been funny if it didn't matter that the beans were magic.
I'm just imagining them climbing up a wall to get away from her or something, the prince screams "she's catching up with us, what do we do?" And in desperation they just start throwing small beans at the witch until one lands in her eye or something making her lose her grip.
I thought it was a really German fairy tale
The fact your team Gothel is scary. Her mother is a narcissist and abusive.......
I mean the Grimm one is kind of understandable but the Disney one? HELL no. She is my favorite villain because she's actually scary and realistic. I don't see how her side is the least bit justifiable.
I agree, Gothel is pure evil through and through, *because* she is so realistic. She *tells* Rapunzel she loves her because of course she would, she wants Rapunzel to believe she has her best interests at heart. She tells Rapunzel the world is scary because of course she would, narcissistic parents will gladly weave in little kernels of truth into their webs of lies; it's kind of how they operate. Gothel doesn't know how to communicate; she knows how to *manipulate.*
The Grimm version is a little understandable, but not that much. She took a child from her parents to trade for a flower, locked Rapunzel in a tower with no warning or reason, and when Rapunzel got pregnant, she abandoned her in a desert.
There is just no way anyone can be Team Gothel here. LOL
Right?! I get being upset over something of hers being stolen, but the Queen was on the verge of DEATH and they only wanted to save her...
@@AishaVonFossen Exactly!
@@RedRoseSeptember22 don't forget they also wanted to save the baby
As someone who as a mother that says similar things as Gothel (she’s said the “I’ll be the bad guy” and such so many times when I’ve been upset), Gothel is terrifying. It’s a classic case of emotional manipulation and abuse.
She said “LA LA LA LA LA LA” and instantly got a boyfriend 😐
Andrea Isabel if I say “LA LA LA LA LA” I’d stay single forever coz my singing is like a cat being dragged down a building by it’s tail. Yikes.
at my age. 13. wit
@@hiitme1465 same and rapunzel was the same age as me when she got her bf-.-
Lol at age 13 I loved to sing and I sang everywhere I went. Everyone said I was a good singer but still everyone hates me
I said la la la la and everyone disappeared and i can’t find anyone they are all gone
Help...
"I am team Gothel all the way"
Minutes afterr she stated that Gothel has thrown the 13ish year old pregnant rapunzel into a desert to fend for herself, because Rapunzel did something Gothel didn´t like XD
That's not really the point.- since in Grimm, at least she has a reason to do that, Rapunzel has stymied(and the prince)Gothel, in that story, Gothel did truly love Rapunzel. It's the movie from Disney where things get dark.
Gothel in that story is a gaslighter, and manipulator, abusive, vain, and just a terrible person. She doesn't really love Rapunzel. Only her hair, which has magically powers to make a person pretty, that makes Gothel also vain. Gothel is also a narcisist.
Yeah so I'm team Rapunzel's tower the whole way.
@@oakenaikemeja its no reason
@@oakenaikemeja No team Gothel. Team Original Rapunzel's Tower.
@@Emilia-mq3xm wha?
@@mohammedismail-kn5xv I don't think there's any valid reason to kill a 13 years old child
TO quote another story you've discussed to explain Gothel and Rapunzel in Tangled: "The other mother loved her. But she loved Coraline as a miser loves money, or a dragon loves its gold. In the other mother's button eyes, Coraline knew knew that the other mother loved her as a possession, nothing more, a tolerated pet whose behavior was no longer amusing.
Yeah, that works so well for Rapunzel's story.
I never understood why Rapunzel wasn't sad when the woman who raised her died.
well, that woman lied to her for almost 2 decades just to use her magic hair. locking & preventing her from knowing what the real world is, her true family, her purpose, and such.
and of course she wouldn't cry about her first, since eugene, the one that exposed her to the truth is dying from blood loss :/
@@aman7930 Well you have a point. Still, even if she was a liar, Rapunzel spent her years thinking she's her mother. I was surprised when she showed no reaction. But i understand what you mean
have you watched tangled the series?
I think she was. She reached out to her as she fell as if to try and save her. She was just more focused on Eugene I guess.
even though in the movie she’s animated, she has immediate regret when she reaches out for gothel. i dont think she should have been sad because she at least regretted it.
i actually read a version of this story in wich the enchantress transforms rapunzel's parents in birds and keeps them locked up because the rapunzel's mother tried to resist giving her daughter
I read a version where the parents were turned into the plant rapunzel
And the child Rapunzel was only fed rapunzel, including her FRICKIN parents
isn't that the story of Tristan and Isolde?
TheLuNaWolvez Whoah! O.o
To say Disney Gothel's love was unhealthy is a bit... I'm not sure abusers actually feel love, and Gothel is an abusive, manipulative woman who keeps Rapunzel purposefully disempowered. The first song by her is the prime example, even if it might seem reasonable given the circumstances but she's still trying to put Rapunzel down after she's proven she's more than capable of surviving in the outside world. First thing she tells her when they meet again? "You think he's impressed?" One last attempt to disempower her and she breaks into song about how her naivety is getting in the way of reason and how she should come back to the tower because nobody else could love her (implied message since the only other person who's shown interest is being painted as faking it, projection much?), she's the perfect definition of abusing your position as a parent figure to keep a child feeling as useless as possible.
Anyway! I have strong opinions about this topic :D
Compared to other abusive parental figures in Disney movies (namely Lady Tremaine and Frollo), I honestly think that Gothel is one of the more terrifying villains. While Lady Tremaine and Frollo do use similar tactics to keep Cinderella and Quasimodo is line, such as imprinting a sense of fear into their minds or making empty promises that they can easy break with just a twist of words, their main form of oppression is through abuse of authority and brute force. Meanwhile, Gothel is able to singlehandedly keep Rapunzel under her thumb by saying all these hurtful words with a smile on her face, luring Rapunzel into a false sense of security. I think it’s more horrifying when a parent is able to be abusive through fake love than through constant violence and oppression.
Well people who are abusive tend to be those who were abused. That's what they were taught, it's how they were conditioned to show love (and show they're angry). Sadly enough, she may have loved her (though I'm not particularly convinced she loved her all that much, she seemed much too possessive). She also was probably panicked when she saw how independent she had become, and expressed it in the only way she knew how.
Sammy Davis nah gothel only loved the flower (or rather, the effect of its magical powers), and rapunzel was just a living thing happening to embody the powers of the flower. This just made things more complicated for gothel to get her youth treatment, since a moving human is more difficult to contain than a planted flower, hence why she locked rapunzel up in the tower and manipulated her for 18 years into not leaving it. Rapunzel was straight up her property, and gothel only loved the part of her that was useful to her own means (i.e. rapunzels hair), on the condition that she could exploit it whenever.
You can see this in moments where gothel tells she ‘cares’ about rapunzel while cuddling her hairlocks. Also notice how her nickname for rapunzel is ‘my flower’. Gothel’s afwul, honestly
@@thatcoffee I definitely agree that she's awful, and you make a good point there, she's definitely more controlling and possessive of her than loving I'll give you that
I have been wondering if Gothel was hurt in a pass relationship because when she sings mother knows best the reprise she said once he gets "it" he'll leave her. Even if it seems she was mentioning the crown I think it was more referring to her virginity, you know when guys gets it he'll leave. Yes mother Gothel loved Rapunzel but it was especially because of the flower and well if she didn't feel at least a small amount of love she would've never raised rapunzel and would keep her locked up somewhere.
gothel never owned the flower in tangled, though. the queen was sick which was far more important than gothel's vanity
Actually, I remember from watching Tangled’s deleted scenes that one of the original openings was a lot closer to the Grimm story. Gothel kept the healing flower in a garden surrounding her home, and the King snatched it from her out of desperation when she refused to hand it over. Gothel then stole Rapunzel from her parents as revenge.
@@Cure_Hana That was a deleted scene, and since it didn't appear in the final production, it isn't canon. It was merely an idea that was scrapped.
@@calliope8048 it could be thought as canon if the movie itself didn't contradict it as we see the flower out in the open.
@Keira Meehan well there is a difference. 1. The queen used it to save 2 lives hers and Repunzel's as although now an in born baby can technically bee saved if the mother dies before it is born with proper medical supplies it's unlikely but back then it would be impossible.
2. Gothel was using it to artificially extend her life past a naturally possible limit. The queen seemed to be somewhere in her late 20s to maybe mid to late 30's or early 40s and was sick. Based on the movie and show the queen had at least 18 more years left where as the when Gothel had absolutely no time once the magic from the flower was gone.
in the grimms fairytale it was in gothels garden, as well as the fact that gothel was keeping the flower alive for centuries. They could've just used a petal of the flower, rather than destroy the whole flower for jsut one soup to save one life. Gothel could've been using the flower to help sure, but she was keeping it alive. The father was stealing from gothels garden to get the rapunzel flower, and he tried to take the whole one. Then the queen bargained with him, the flower for the babies life. The King AGREED which means that it was fair.
I think Gothel's the villain since the begging because she psychologically manipulated Rapunzel through the years for her own selfish reasons. She only cared for the powers, that's something we can see the whole time by the way she's always touching, kissing, praising and thinking about Rapunzel's HAIR.
I was thinking the same. I believe that the "warning of outside danger" were not to make Rapunzel aware of things, but to prevent her from leaving the tower on her own, thus making Gothel lose her "new flower". I mean, feelings might have been developed but Mother Gothel's actions in the movie (manipulating Rapunzel through fear and guilt) might be pretty self explainatory of her motives
Mother Gothel is so abusive to Rapunzel! There is so much abuse in Tangled, that’s why Gothel is the best Disney villain in a lot of people’s opinion
@@thewritingloft what? Lmao almost nobody says Gothel is the best Disney villain, wtf
ArcadeAngel 81 almost everyone where I live thinks so, and almost all my online friends believe so too! She manipulates Rapunzel into thinking that everything in the world is terrible and awful when in reality it’s not the worst. Sure she met Flynn and he definitely as a good guy but he wasn’t the worst. She made Rapunzel feel small and stupid for wanting to go outside just to see some lights, instead of Gothel just watching the lights with her and acting as if it was nothing she made a huge deal out of it! If you look at the beginning of the movie you see Gothel has a door and when Rapunzel goes out of her room you see she only has curtains. Gothel has the option to shut Rapunzel out but Rapunzel never had that option. Mother Gothel manipulates Rapunzel into believing that she can’t do anything else but what she’s been doing for years, making her read the same basic books and having her clean the entire tower every day. She makes candles and paints and does the same things, getting bored. Even when she’s singing the opening song you hear her talking about doing the same boring things while she’s wondering about when her life will begin since Gothel never lets her out of the house. When Gothel first yells at Rapunzel that she can’t leave the tower she says “great, now I’m the bad guy” making it seem like she did nothing wrong and that Rapunzel pushed her to that point when she only asked to go outside. She could have just went into the small area, she didn’t want to go into town she just wanted to go out and feel the grass on her feet and run around! She let her do nothing and trapped her in the tower and intended on keeping her there until she died! She never cared about Rapunzel, just her abilities
@@thewritingloft there are many Disney villains which were far more charismatic, with more dimentions to their characters, etc. While Gothel fulfills her role as a villain for the story, she is nowhere near the standards of the classic Disney villains...
Oh Neat Another Disney Princess That Has A Dark Origin....
*Oh Boi Im *Surprise**
They more or less all do
Did you just *double bold*
*surprised pikachu face*
4:23. *SHE'S 13*
But well, back then, that was pretty normal age to get married
doesn't... make it..... better..........
@@starstruck1864 But at least it maketmore sence? Take Romeo and Juliet, she was also 13 and he was 17 I think...
well yeah it EXPLAINS it
Starstruck its not better but that was normal, like nowadays you dont go outside and see loads of women wearing petticoats but at one point in time many of them did
@@starstruck1864 it kinda does. You can't say it's wrong.
I'm really sorry sis, but I cannot get behind being "Team Gothel."
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this is a textbook case of Stockholm Syndrome. Especially with how Gothel belittles Rapunzel, then tells her she's "just teasing", that can be interpreted as a manipulation tactic to make her insecure and dependant. This part is a little more obscure, but notice how her nickname for Rapunzel is Little Flower, and how whenever she kisses Rapunzel on the head, she's actually kissing her hair?
And furthermore, in Disney's retelling, yeah her flower was stolen, but never once was it established as HER flower. The flower belonged to the forest, and that did not make it whatsoever justifiable to steal a child from the king and queen. The child being taken was never part of any bargain after all, and that's just straight up kidnapping.
Mother Gothel, I don't think, loved Rapunzel. She may have tricked herself into thinking she loved her to justify her actions, but she loved her hair. She loved being young and healthy. Never once did she take into consideration Rapuznel's own emotions, as she kept her locked in that tower for entirely selfish reasons. Not to mention, she also tried to lock her up the moment Rapunzel tried to leave, threatening to keep her by her side unwillingly forever, and proceeded to stab Eugene without a single second thought, simply so he'd be out of the way.
And even when she died, knowing full well everything that Gothel had done to her Rapunzel reached out when she fell, because she recognized her as her caretaker. Which is SO disturbing, like I said before, that is major Stockholm Syndrome.
So, yeah. Down with Mother Gothel.
I agree. And if you have watched Tangled the series, she abandoned her daughter for Rapunzel, which is also messed up!
absolutely. the fact that shes "team gothel" is so frustrating and demeaning to ppl who actually have abusive parents ...
Mother Gothel twas a gaslight-er
I AGREE! At least definitely agree in the Disney version!
@Ice queen i see what u mean, when i wrote that comment i was heated. but fr tho? gothel sucks lol
The only love Gothel had towards Rapunzel was and unhealthy love Gothel didn't really love Rapunzel, she loved the power Rapunzel had making someone younger or healing wounds when they sing. Gothel only wanted to protect Rapunzel because of her ability. Stoll a good video though I was familiar with the original version of Rapunzel I enjoyed watching the video
I was actually told all the original Grimm stories as a child and I'm always surprised when people are actually shocked by them
Exactly, same
In Cinderellas stepsisters shoes will always be blood.
Same, I thought everyone knew them
same i thought everyone knew this version
That's edgy my dude
I remember reading this version of the story!! I never thought it was that creepy... but then again, they never mentioned her age in the Dutch version.
Same here!! I read this tale when i was 7 or so and i just remember thinking it was weird af but not creepy
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I read the tale as a child, but I never thought that it was weird or creepy at all. I don't know, what my little toddler brain thought xD
Yeah I didn't know her age and now that I know it, it feels kinda weird^^"
Me too, but looking back it is a bit weird isn't it
I completely disagree with your interpretation of Gothel. She reminds me so much of my abusive mother. It’s not love, it’s controlling possessiveness
Thank you for putting this into words. I jus,t couldn't. I hope that you're okay.
I hope that you are ok. God bless you❤
Agreed, people like Gothel are incapable of love, because they don't want to love. Also, I'm very sorry your mother is abusive. You're right, it's not love, they're all about power.
@Riyan Ali It's not that easy. Most of the time they can't do anything. I have had two friends w/ abusive parents who had called cps/"the police" before and it didn't solve anything.
Yep...
Gothel was a way less of an abusive person than in tangled than she was in the book.
I said *less* abusive.
To me it seems gothel was less abusive in the books than in tangled... 😐
the TV series sequel would love to disagree with you
*do has some stupid?*
*yeah probably*
I think scenarios like Rapunzel being thirteen and doing THAT shizz is due to the fact that it wasn't based in our time where it isn't normal for 13 year olds.
These fairy tales were probably more like coming of age stories back then
And humans have lower lifespans before, right? They don't grow old to be 60-80 unlike now. So they probably need to get married really early.
Nikonikolay Zi they did, they started having kids at about 13-14. They would also have lots, because the more kids you have the more chances they have of at least one surviving
@@nicholegz8631 the old lifespan was closer to 30. If someone wasn't married by 25 they thought the woman was past child bearing age. So 13 in a way was half a normal life. Still not ok, but it was a product of the time
@@nicholegz8631 Late but, they actually did have very decent lifespans. The reason for the lower average lifespan was because of things like infant mortality and illnesses. But, if you had died by old age, it would have still been about 60-80 years old.
I have always love Hans Christian Andersen's version of The Little Mermaid which is far sadder than the Disney version.
Apparently not everyone was happy with the original ending, so he released a second version where after she turns into foam, she feels herself rise up and becomes a spirit or a "daughter of the air".
^^^ he still gave it an interesting caveat though, where she would remain that way until she earned a human soul to be with her prince in 100 years (since that was a recurring theme throughout the story) but any time she saw a child cry it added another year to her sentence.
So basically she’d never be really happy anyway /shrug/
My uncle actually bought the movie for me when I was 7 years old it was one of my favorites but sadly got ruined by a faulty cassette player by the time I was 15
apparently it was based after Hans Christian Anderson having a crush on a man. hans gave the dude a love letter but the guy rejected him, so Hans wrote the story as "two men falling in love is the same as a mermaid and man falling in love" which is why it doesn't have a happy ending.
What the fuck. I was seriously terrified of the movie The Little Mermaid when I was a toddler because I was afraid octopi would steal my voice.
Can you really say you love someone if after a single slight, albeit a harsh one, you throw them into a desert alone?
How do you think she survived through child birth?
@@pheenixgryphon7857 Sooo... Excluding what I've said, which was mostly in jest, there is actually an explanation as to how she could both love her and abandon her, that being mother Gothel has an undiagnosed mental disorder.
Gothel either had anger issues or maybe was either bipolar, if this fairytale was real I am pretty sure she would have been regretting her decision right after she threw Rapunzel in the desert.
No? You can’t just justify the stuff that Gothel did.
I disagree lol mother Gothel is a textbook example of a narcissist 🤷🏼♀️
Abitfrank: *says she's on team Gothel*
Everyone in the comments section: *concerned Pikachu meme*
Gothel in Tangled was emotionally abusive, even if she was just "livin' her best life," it doesn't excuse how she treated Rapunzel.
Conditioning her to believe men have sharp teeth, the world is bad, and Rapunzel's too weak to take of herself.
Like, praising her while ignoring those facts, in favor of having a strong independent woman TM representation, is problematic in itself. But. Go. Off.
Mother Gothel sounds like she's make the perfect radical feminist LMAO
Shelby Ohanian actually yes
Yeah, but I would say men do have sharp teeth, because if you ever looked at your own mouth, regardless of gender, you would know that some teeth, like your incisors are actually kinda sharp. Teeth can be sharp, just saying. Saying that men have sharp teeth isn't false but it leaves out the fact that incisors are found across all genders, so yeah, the wording is misleading.
But you know... so is Mother Gothel.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
>on team gothel
>literally cuts off her daughter's hair and throws her off the 70 ft tower and abandons her alone in the desert forever.
And in the disney version mother gothel verbally abuses Rapunzel her whole life and feeds her lies that could've given her extreme paranoia.
Mother Gothel's team is NOT one to be on...
is that viktor in your icon?
i see you're a person of culture as well
Shut up nerd
Thank you! The Disney Gothel only cared about Rapunzel's hair... Nothing else. She never loved Rapunzel she was just pretending to because she was a greedy narcissist. I could see how you could empathize with some villains but I don't empathize with Gothel at all. 🤨
EXACTLY
Umm in the Grimm version, the term used was "Banished". Rapunzel wasn't thrown from the tower. The prince however, throws HIMSELF off the tower in learning Rapunzel "was lost to him forever".
This is so dark and .....creepy.
*I love it*
I liked the video but calling Mother Gothel sympathetic is a bad take
When you said you were team Gothel, me, a person who has watched Tangled the Series: 👁👄👁
I’m team Gothel too.
I’d be mad if someone took my MAGICAL flower, which kept me IMMORTAL.
That’s like saying “yes, I realize you need this flower to stay alive, but I need to have a baby and this is the only way for some reason, and I cannot just simply have another
It’s Just Aimee it’s not like she KNEW that the flower was important to gothel
I don't think they knew the flower was Gothel's while in the Grimm's fairytale, they do
@@evanance4991 still, if you take something that isn't yours, but you don't know it, it is still stealing.
So Rapunzel is kinda Gothel's property (I know that sounds messed up). And it was Gothel that took care of her for 18 years, with quite some luxury for the time, mind you.
Nike_Aguaraguazu it’s definitely stealing in the original version, but in tangled, the flower was growing in a random field area (only in the disney version does the flower keep gothel immortal, so i assumed the original comment was abt that version)
Me after watching this video: *Suprised Pikachu face*
isn’t it amusing when anyone who has a shitty gacha pfp *always* makes terrible jokes?
@@inkcandii7095 Sweet j-
@@inkcandii7095 Thank you.
Wait... It's Like the movie "into the woods"
Yeah, they actually took some aspects of the original stories
The show is a really great and very faithful adaptation of all the original tellings of classic stories.
Oh man this is the exact version that’s told in the musical “Into the Woods”
I honestly love gothel's character even though she's so awfully manipulative. Her character is one of the most realistic villians out there, using subtle manipulation to hold Rapunzel back. She kept guilt tripping her into staying because then if Rapunzel spoke back and Gothel yelled, then suddenly she's the "bad guy" for yelling. Its so toxic, its amazing how Rapunzel managed to actually leave the house.
You're so cute, that creepy vibe is awesome.
Please make the "How _______ could have been creepier" a series! >
No wonder why George R.R. Martin's nickname is GRRM. . .
Look at the original tale of the little mermaid. Dark and cool.
She didn't "spat on the ground below" actually all her youth went away and mother gothel turned to dust before she hit the ground and only her cloak hit the ground
I know I’m late but no, gothel was NOT just living her life in the movie. She was cruel, manipulative, and abusive. She does not love rapunzel, she loves her magic hair that kept her alive for hundreds of years. I sincerely hope you’re joking because if not then it worries me how you and all the other people in these comments are dismissive about abuse.
all *alOne* in the *dEsert*
all *alOne* in the *dEsert*
“Mama bear out” apparently equals extreme isolation, physical abuse, and abandonment to die in a dessert.Ok 😅
If there were dark roots she’d be brunette.
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HEHEHEEHHEHEHEAHAHA sry I’ll leave
I see whatcha did there. :P
Honestly, the Gothel in Tangled was extremely scary considering how well portrayed she is as a person with narcissistic personality disorder, especially with the way she treated both Rapunzel and her own biological daughter from the TV series, seeing them as tools for her own uses rather than as actual daughters (the former to keep her young and alive, the latter as a servant that cleaned the house and was left alone for large periods of time. Child endangerment and neglect is no joke, Gothel!). You could say Rapunzel was the *golden child* of the situation while her biological child wasn't even treated as a daughter despite all the love her daughter tried to give her in the hopes of being loved back
The scary part is there are people in the real world that are exactly like Gothel, they don't love their children but love to make them dependent and have them worship the narcissist, while lovebombing and gaslighting their victims in a situation they cannot escape
I'm on book Gothel's side, though, book Gothel was less of a dick in comparison despite the inability to communicate with Rapunzel
book gothel is just as bad in her own way, who just throws a child into a desert??
dude she is abusive, not disordered
@shipperina2213 - they're not mutually exclusive. Some forms of abusive parents are the result of personality disorders like NPD and disorders like bipolar and BPD when they're medically untreated or even refuse treatment...
@@lazyperfectionist3978 that is not true, while they can be abusive and have NPD or BPD, to say that these disorders cause abusive parents and people is just straight up false. There is too many abusers out there compared to the actual disorder. That is why I said they are abusive, not disordered. Their abusive behaviour is a choice, not a result of a disorder. If someone have anxiety, it may affect the way the behave, but if they start lashing out on others it is their choice no one else's.
@@shipperina2213 - tell me you don't understand personality disorders without telling me you don't understand personality disorders
Again, I specified *_untreated_* disorders that can make it more likely to result in abusive behaviour, these disorders literally affect how they behave and treat other human beings under their care, meaning it's not entirely fair to blame their actions as purely intentional especially when they have less control of their emotions and rational skills compared to someone who does not have those disorders. It does not excuse their behaviour especially when they disregard any attempts to reduce the risk of harm they may cause, especially with those who have NPD, but it's _specifically understanding what is causing these behaviours in the first place_ that should be focused on here in order to rectify and support survivors of abuse
7:08 how the hell was she able to reproduce!?
Fun fact:
The flower in tangled was actually created by Maui from Moana.
YOUR WELCOME
FOR THE FRICKEN FLOWER
Omg really wow Cool! :D
W H A T C A N I S A Y
Its not maui that created the flower its the goddess that moana changed back
Please acknowledge the fact that I think your drawing style is absolutely gorgeous and unique.
Have a good day girl.
Thumbnail: Tangled's dark roots
Me: heh....hehehhehe
8:25 Yeah the daughter she loved so much she dumped her in a desert to give birth alone...
The dark roots thing made me laugh at like Rapunzel's roots when they get cut and turn dark 😂
Who just eats flowers!?
Also, this was a great video your art syle is so good.
There are actually edible flowers that either are a) medicinal or b) actually palatable like squash blossoms. Rapunzel is also a type of lettuce and it's been suggested that Rapunzel's mother was craving a salad which isn't too far-fetched for an expecting mother to go nuts over.
@@watarukasai4104 Huh, it seems bizare but it makes sense.
Thanks.
That must’ve been one delicious flower!!
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Ah yes. The best Disney princess song ever - LAAAA LA LA LA LA LAAAAA LA LA LA LA
You realize Mother Gothel was manipulative, right?
Eh I love evil characters
@@amxthyst_spell1662 cool
I've always loved origins of stories. Mostly cause the older origins help show what was most important or what it was like for the writer when they created the story. There like magical written time portals that show the past and how many things are issues that have been around longer then just a few generations but have been happening since humans gained morals.
As a german i grew up with the "dark" story I was so used to them my mom used to read them to me 😂
My sister told me this story because I was picking blackberries while hanging upside down on a tree branch (the top of the bush has the sweetest berries)
It was her way of keeping me safe, in her version the prince was torn apart but by bit by the old hags’s crows after he went blind and could only crawl around due to broken legs, eating the bottom sour pissed on berries and never got to meet his children, dying slowly rupunzel died of grief from never seeing him again despite calling for him and the children where taken in by the hag as slaves never been stupid about thorn bushes after that.
Thanks for sharing this story 💙
When I was 5 years old my mom would always read the Grimm's story for me every nigth... Maybe thats why I have such a dark humor....
i heard the real story before i watched the disney version, and i never thought it was problematic or spooky
BUT GURRRRL I WAS MORE TERRIFIED OF YOUR DRAWINGS THAN THE ACTUAL FREAKIN STORY
4:39 I AGREE GIRLFRIEND 100% AGREE 2 U
Came from Swankybox! Definitely subscribing for more content! You're amazing!😊
Hi Hello! :)
@@abitfrank Oh my god you replied! Hello! You're style is amazing!😍
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listen I'm not tryna be that guy but your voice and art is really captivating
When you realize Repuzle and Flynn have the largest age gap between any disney couple ever.........
Edit:In both the movie and book
What about Pocahontas?
FiureItOut YourSelf in the movie Rapunzel is 18 and Eugene is 23. (Eugene’s age is stated in the tangled tv series)
Wait wasn't snow white like 12 while the Prince was 27
@@kidkidkudo In the Disney version, she's 14. I don't know how old the prince is, though or how old they're supposed to be in the original tale.
@@reporteddoppo700 no shes not. In the movie tangle shes 18. She even uses her age as proof that she is old enough to go out and see the "stars". Flinn is 26. If you ment in brothers Grimm reservon, then yeah she was around 13 14 while he's like 17 maybe or in the 20s. Im not sure, but their was a big age gap in the brothers grimm.
Roses are red
Violets aren't blue
I have nothing to say
And you do too.
There are red roses,
That much is true
But there are blue violets
Even yellow ones too.
*and neither do you
Roses are red
Vilots are blue
I'm not sure
BUT I THINK I DO
Your art style looks like Don't Starve and your own personal touch and I love it.
If you keep making content like this with cute animations you'll definitely get lots of subscribers!
Rapunzel is my favorite Disney Princess, I just love her character, Eugene's character, the villain, the songs, the visuals, the story, and to be honest I feel like it is one of the most realistic couples Disney ever made.
when i read dark roots in the thumbnail i thought you were gonna say rapunzel wasnt a natural blonde
Tangled’s Dark roots, guess she needs a touch up. She should visit Brand Mondo
*cough* *cough* I hope someone actually gets this...
Something i will point out is I've seen ppl compare Gothel's treatment to emotional abuse which i have to agree with.
i mean the fact that her weapon is a cast iron skillet... makes her pretty dangerous.
I don't know, I literally grew up with the Grimm's version XD
same
4:02 OMG I thought she said: she is HAIRIFIED!😂😂😂 GET IT? terrified and hair? No? Ok
this was the book I got as a kid, I saw no problem with it and just thought i was a wuss for getting uncomfterbal reading it lol
Finally, a movie that I've actually watched.
The book is basically this quote
Well that escalated quickly
Wohoo you're Artstyle is REALLY good :D
The even older version of this tale is quite different, it doesn't feature a prince at all and is all about Rapunzel being reunited with her mother. It would be interesting to see a video on that version as well :)
Also I think in the versions I heard as a kid the father doesn't just casually trade his unborn child for a flower but he's really desperate to get the flower for his wife who has crazy pregnancy cravings/an illness and is convinced that she will die without the healing flower... so he's basically just deciding to save his wife rather than lose both wife and child.
This is actually how my parents read me the fairytale when I was young
I guess that explains a lot-
I once read a retelling of the original Rapunzel, instead of the flower, it was Cabbage/Lettuce (can’t remember witch one)
Cabbage
rapunzel is a type of cabbage, and the cabbage has flowers, so it was both
ItsMabey yeah. Xd
Spiceyspoon :3 The original name is Reponchigo
I remember reading “The Mouse, the Bird, and the Sausage” by Brothers Grimm. Literally terrified me when I was young because of how sudden everything happened 😂
Ah! You said leaving him blind then my phone loses wifi connection! Welp youve cursed my phone. 😅
For my sixth grade theatre class, my friends and I had to read the Grimm version, watch Tangled and then make our own version. Haha... we added so much dark humor.
When I was a child, I used to really love the ''Donkeyskin'' fairytale as I related a lot with the princess who disguised herself as ugly in front of everyone and made herself beautiful when no-one was around. Then I learned a bit more about the origin, where her own father try to force her to marry him and, even if I still love the tale, I still think it's a bit disturbing.
Oh My. That tale sounds lovely at first (I have never heard of it!) but wow that got dark. Thank you for sharing about it! I will try to find a version :)
@@abitfrank You're welcome! ^_^
okay but lets not even talk about how i had nightmares caused from the beginning of tangled where she gets stolen-
Oh yeah, I remember when a class in primary school made a play of the book
Your whole persona, including artwork, charisma, and sense of humour, makes me wonder why you're only on 71k subs. I was expecting a clickbait video that could provide background noise but I was forced to give this my undivided attention. You've clearly thoroughly researched to find a genuinely interesting topic and your shading style has a feel to it that I've only found in a handful of other media and is difficult to describe. It's sort of like a visual representation of a dark joke. One tends to think everything has been done before, but this was truly unique and took me by surprise. Thank you for this.
i learned the one about her prince getting blined when I was like 6 bcs i had the grimms books lol 😂😂 i remember founding it weird how they rlly wanted the veg
wait.... if rupunzel was the king and queens daughter, and her husband is the king and queens son..... OH GOD NO
Rapunzel is two commoners daughter. In the disney version, she is of royal blood.
She literally said in the video that Disney's version shows that Rapunzel is actually a princess while Eugene is an orphan and infamous thief.
Your character reminds me of the movie Coraline.
Oh wow, I definitely missed that Repunzel story when I watched Into The Woods
1:20 wait I think I just got the reference okay
Anyone else read the Lunar Chronicles? No? Well it's basically re imagined fairy tales in the future
Anyway Cress Darnel's (Rapunzel) love interest Carswell Thorne has a spaceship called the Rampion and-
BOLD OF YOU TO ASSUME TANGLED WASN'T SERIOUSLY CREEPY
like seriously, mother gothel?? HORRIFYING.
hmm, from how it sounds like, I think I would like the original more