Buying Pre War Cards vs 1950s Rookies, If The MLB Made The Right Decision, And The Hobby's Future!!
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- In case you missed it, Major League Baseball recently decided to include stats from the Negro Leagues, and it has significantly changed who holds some of the most important records of all time. Baseball has always worked hard to protect their record books, allowing very little changes to the game, to ensure the integrity of statistics and all time records. Recently, they made a significant change to the landscape, and many people disagree about the results. Other questions this week go into the future of the hobby, collecting quantity vs quality, and the future of pre war cards vs 1950s vintage baseball cards. We talk about players like Babe Ruth, Sandy Koufax, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Ty Cobb, and many more. If you have a question for an upcoming episode, don't hesitate to ask it in the comments of this video!!
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Hi Graig. To highlight a part you mentioned in the future of the hobby conversation I would like to add that i would like to emphasize the point that the RUclipsrs and other social media people are not the majority of collectors. Meaning please don’t judge the state of the hobby based on just the most viewed videos. In so many examples in our lives the ones the get the most attention doesn’t necessarily speak for the majority. I think there are flippers and there are mostly collectors. I mean there has to be more collectors than flippers since the demand for cards are high. My 2 cents
I appreciate that insight.
Great work/life balance, Graig. You’ve got your priorities straight, and must be a master of time-management. Beyond impressive!
Thanks so much. Priorities are priorities for a reason, right? Gotta always be ensuring that we've got things ranked where they should be.
Another awesome set of answers, Graig. I enjoyed how you delicately framed your points on some sensitive topics!
Many thanks!
“I don’t go to movies or watch movies”….Just as I suspected, you are a wise man!
LOL. I enjoy TV and movies can be entertaining, but I try to use more of my time as a contributor than a consumer. :-)
“Do we think that George Gibson’s slugging percentage would’ve been higher if he had the same sample size as Ruth.” That is actually why I like the integration of the stats. Yes, I agree that the AB’s and games are not comparable, but now we can talk about that. Now young fans can learn more about Negro League players while learning about MLB stars at the same time. The integration allows fans to learn about how the different stats work and, most importantly, how some Negro Leagues players could have done if they had been allowed to play longer and in the MLB. Yes, we will always have to talk about the difference in size samples, but that should be fine. We also always have to talk about difference in time periods and all that. But the integration acknowledges Negro Players and allows fans to learn in more than one way about baseball, stats, and history.
I totally respect that point of view.
Willie Mays hit 1 homer in 1948 and they didn't count it.... YET He now has 661 homers. Everyone is still getting At Bats. I heard Cobb will have ACL injury and miss the year. His prices will plummet. Good time to Buy maybe? Ruth missed 3 months with Hurt Feelings and was placed on the D/L. They did find 6 more box scores for Josh Gibson and 30 more for Oscar Charleston. Charleston had a good run as he hit 50 more homers in the 30 games, I heard. He was Willie Mays before Willie mays. He's a strong buy.
Another thought provoking Wednesday Funday
I always love your posts, Mr. Petty.
This will definitely shake up the card market. It's best to buy the current active players, like Ruth and Cobb, during the off-season
Thank you for answering my question Graig. I know it wasn’t the easiest topic. Great take on it though!
I always appreciate when people ask question for Q and A!!
Graig, as always, I enjoyed hearing your thoughts, my collecting brother! 😊👊
Much appreciated!
Thanks for your commitment to bettering the hobby
That means a lot. Thank you.
37:01 I suggest the title of said story be: “a Skeptics Guide to the (ex-nm) Elephant in the Room”. 😂
Thanks for laying out many of the statistics and context for the discussion on the new stats being included.
At a certain point, “among the greatest” is what all of these men would have considered themselves, anyway (except Cobb, mahbe😂). I am happy to enlarge my personal understanding of the COMPLETE history of baseball. 👍😎 too bad there’s not many cards or photos from all those great players.😢
Ha!
Really appreciate your response to the Negro League records, appreciate you detailing the issues.
Thanks Orlando. It's such a difficult topic, as the treatment of these ball players was so unfair and wrong. But, the only way to learn from history is to continue to talk about it.
Graig thanks for giving your opinion on the card cracking/autograph dilemma. I really liked your idea about resubmitting there at the show right away. I am still on the fence though, maybe a game time decision for me. Love your show always look forward to the new episodes. You are my new T.V.
It's a tough one, because we never know what the grading companies will do.
Question: Do you have any expensive snap decisions made at a card show that you now regret? When the pressure is on at a show, with a card in my hand, I sometimes don’t think as clearly as I normally would.
That's a great question. I'll use this soon.
If you could not afford or the price is to out of your budget wiould you ever consider getting an archived copy of that card, or would you consider them to be fake. Even if greading makes note on the label that it is an archive card. I have a few for my PC and are very happy with them.
Interesting question. Thanks for taking the time to ask it.
Here's a question for you, Graig.
If you were, to be a super collector of just one player, or one player from each sport who would you pick and why? Thanks Graig.
What a great question. I'll answer this one soon!!
Edit: I have deleted a long question about receiving two unsolicited cards without a packikng slip. Finally the sender's name clicked: Ashish. These two 1956 commons in PSA 7 must be from the Legacy Cardz vintage break, in which I bought two slots for $800. Oh well, I had a fair shot at the big prizes.
Breaks are like slot machines. Sometimes you hit and sometimes you don't.
Thanks for taking my question! 😀
My pleasure.
Great Q&A! I agree, buy what you like. Personally, I'd pick up the longer list of the iconic cards first, before the bigger two. Not for a $ reason, but to have those specific iconic cards. Excellent response of the Negro League records question. You handled a touchy subject excellently. Don't risk cracking the high quality cards for autos!!!! I cracked a 1976 Topps Nolan Ryan in a PSA 7 to get autographed. The card got a little nick in the edge. Now it'll likely regrade a 4. Between risk of damage and/or PSA inconsistency, its not worth the risk on high value cards. You're a time management stud...
Thanks my friend. Appreciate you watching but appreciate your comments even more.
@@MidLifeCards I'm still on the fence about cracking them to get autographed thanks for sharing your experience.
MLB had a 60 game season during COVID and those stats counted.
Very cool.
I think two things can be true at the same time. We can recognize the greatness of a pretty fair number of players from the negro leagues while still accepting that the competition they faced wasnt the same as it would have been in the major leagues. I would equate the talent level overall as pretty close to AAA ball. If we now count stats from another league, why are we not counting minor league stats or Japanese and South American leagues stats? is the competition less in those leagues even though a large number of those players manage to reach the majors? How about we crown Ichiro as the all-time hits leader? or Sadihiro Oh as the new home run king?
Those are tough questions and I think you're making some really good points.
Question: Looking at making player runs of the more well known vintage HOFers, Aaron, Clemente, Mays etc. My issue is, I’m unsure of where to start their run. Should I go after the cards of theirs I like the most first? Or be patient, save up and go after their rookie card or bigger cards first. Thanks -Andrew T.
This is a FANTASTIC question. I appreciate you taking the time to ask it. I'll use this one next week!!
Re: cracking for an autograph. Why crack and resubmit anything? Go to some dealer's dollar box and get a nice card of the player who's signing (assuming you didn't bring one from home) and then have PSA slab that, with a card grade or without. It seems a no-brainer to leave the high-grade slabbed card alone. Unless I'm missing something.
High grade cards that are also autographed are worth WAY more than low grade cards autographed and high grade cards that aren't autographed.
My questions about Major League Baseball integrating the Negro Leagues stats into the record books were all about the data: how complete and accurate is that data from the Negro leagues. One thing I noticed that irritated me was a picture of the top ten career batting averages, and Shoeless Joe Jackson (.356 career average) was not on the list.
I think that's a fair concern with the decision by MLB.
Graig, you didn't mention my question from last week about Roger Craig not being in the Hall of Fame and I read your thoughtful reply why you didn't and I completely understand why you didn't highlight it. So this week I am wording my question differently to possibly get you to discuss this topic. Here is the new Football question: Why are players like Roger Craig, Jim Marshall, Joe Jacoby, L.C. Greenwood, Steve Smith Sr., Clay Matthews, Lester Hayes, and Ken Anderson not in the Hall of Fame, when there are so many who are in that are less deserving than these players? I understand that the Sports Writers are the voters and that may need to change. Why not let the living Hall of Famer Players Vote in who they think deserves to be in there? Wouldn't current Hall of Famers know best who is deserving of being inducted? Just like to hear your thoughts on the snubbed players and the voting process.
I responded to you in the comments. I don't think there are a ton of people who are as passionate about Roger Craig as we are. So, I felt like it was best to respond to you directly. Roger Craig was the heart and soul of the 49ers west coast offense and changed the way Running Backs are used. He 100% should be in the HOF. He's also a hall of fame person. He still signs autographs through the mail and is a terrific guy. Because of his smaller size, he didn't rack up the career numbers that some RBs did, but he is a player that I believe should absolutely be in the HOF.
@@MidLifeCards Thanks again for responding. I totally agree with you that Roger Craig should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame and most of the players I have listed above should also be in the Hall of Fame. It is a shame that the Sports Writers don't recognize these players as worthy when they recognize players who are less deserving.
I am not collecting for investment, but when I buy an expensive card, I explain it to my wife from the investment point of view.
LOL. I like that strategy.
I got a question for you. Not making this political but do you or have you ever collected any political cards and/or autographs. IMO political cards and autos are a come up and could be a better "investment" than sports cards because everyone regardless of if they love them or hate them knows who the politicians are and they will always have a rapid fan base but then again this isn't about me but rather your opinion. Thanks again and I look forward to your response.
I like this question. I'm a big fan of non sport cards and autos.
Good analysis on the Negro League stats integration. Someone with MLB needs to explain the revised sample size requirements. It’s really impossible to compare apples to oranges, and is probably ill-advised. Due recognition can be given without combining the statistics. Well said
I'm hoping that over time they give more insight into the process and decision making.
Good thing I had a long eye appointment no problem getting the whole video in I am a Negro League collector so selfishly I was excited by the integration of the statistics. Your argument though makes sense and we cannot go back in time to change separate but equal Just seeing how baseball changed as black players were introduced into the majors showed that pure white baseball stats are inadequate. I think you can extrapolate from the gathered information and baseball was correct in adding Negro League stats to Major League baseball. That was a great evaluation on what to buy if investing as all the cards the gentleman pursued were iconic. I just wish I had that money to spend to make such a decision.
It's so difficult to combine stats of different leagues over time. The hard part it the desire to ensure players get the recognition they deserve, while also ensuring the integrity of the stats themselves.
Although I couldn't be a bigger supporter of the Negro League, it's players and impact it had on the overall history of the game, I cannot come to terms with the statistics being included in the MLB statistical rankings. I have a few reasons (sample size being one) which would take too much time to type here but will love these conversations all summer long with friends and coworkers. Its does sound and feel contradictory to say we want and appreciate having Negro League history woven into the history of MLB but don't recognize their statistics as part of the official rankings. I just feel the Negro League records are comparing apples to oranges with it being nobody's fault today. If only we had a different world at that time, this wouldn't be an issue.
I think there are a lot of people who relate to what you're saying. It's certainly a topic where there are arguments on both sides that make a lot of sense to many of us.
If your going to merge the two league, they should also merge the Japanese players stats that they accumulated in japan with thier mlb stats. Example ishiro. I do agree with your opinion on the fact that not all the stats are complete and thier needs to be a more comparable example, there going to be a big difference if someone plays 62 games then someone that plays 162 game season.
I've heard some people also say this and there has been some growing support for that.
Nobody prevented Oh or Ichiro from coming to the Major Leagues. Major League Players knew that the Negro League players could play from the beginning. That’s why they barnstormed against them. Also read what they said about them. Nothing but high praise
@@user-ph7ql9fb1m I don't agree, if you're going to combine stats, you should do it for everyone. Also what Greg said about only having 75 percent of the stats, and the difference between the length of thier season makes a big difference.
@@Brian-pf7qq You don’t have to agree. It’s already been decided. And the only reason anybody is upset is because Josh Gibson is the all time leader in average, slugging, and OPS. If he wasn’t nobody would care. Your opinion and Graig’s doesn’t matter at this point. Today is my birthday and I will be enjoying a cigar, my cousins high school graduation, and knowing my people will be etched in the history books forever. To God be the Glory. You may have the last word.
@@user-ph7ql9fb1m your wrong about josh Gibson, that's not what people would be upset about. It's the fairness of the statistics. You can have a opinion, but when you assume you know what other people think, that's where you show your ignorance.
Does that mean Hank Aaron is now the all time home run leader again because he hit 9 HR with the Indianapolis Clowns when he was with them in 1952. If you are going to recognize Negro League records as MLB shouldn't they add to that players total?
My understanding is that they are. But not ALL negro leagues are being recognized. I'm not sure which do and don't and why.
After 1948, there was a huge drop off in talent in the Negro Leagues and those stats won’t count. Bonds is still the all time leader in home runs
Actually, I couldnt agree with you more on the Negro League statistics integration
Thanks my friend.
On the Negro Leagues merger of stats, a major point to keep in mind is that there were 10x more white people in America in the 1920's-1940's than black people. The talent was FAR deeper in Major League baseball due to that, even if we account for the fact that a higher percentage of those black people would have been good enough to play high level baseball than their white counterparts (based on what we see with today's sports). The difference in total teams between leagues doesn't make up for this fact either. So overall, I definitely believe the stats were easier to get in the Negro Leagues based on the average player in that league.
I've heard others use that argument as well. There's certainly some extrapolation of analysis that is valid in there.
Robinson went on to win ROY and MVP in 3 years. Campy won 3 MVPS. Newt was the first to win Cy Young and MVP. Banks won MVP in 1958 and 1959. Mays won MVP in 1954. Frank won MVP in 1961 and 1966 and the first and only to win MVP in both leagues. The best players from the Negro Leagues went on to become stars in MLB. And when you look at barnstorming stats against MLB players the Negro league players held their own. Let’s not act like the worst MLB player was better than the best player in the Negro Leagues. There were plumbers in BOTH leagues
@@user-ph7ql9fb1m Wow, its like you didn't read a single word of my response at all and instead were just looking to get offended. I literally said there were a higher percentage of black players that were stars than white players... but only 10% as many black people. So it was simultaneously the case that stats were easier to get because of there being high end players while at the same time, the gaps between best and worst players on teams was likely FAR larger in the Negro Leagues simply due to available player count.
@@ryanfitzgerald2816 Nothing was EASY. And I did read your response. I disagreed RESPECTFULLY. You may have the last word….
I am not collecting for investment, but when I buy an expensive card, I explain it to my wife from the investment point of view.
:-)