Do smaller keys to get accustomed, start by saying "hey guys, learning the ropes, have some patience with me please" or just say it before the key starts and let people leave the group if they have a problem. Saves you the issue of them leaving mid key, and you can eventually find people that are willing to be patient. You would be surprised :D, just need to communicate
That was my issue at first but run some M0’s for a week and you’ll get it down quickly. Playing with a guild or group of friends in voice makes a big difference while learning too.
most players do not want to interact with the toxic M+ community especially as a tank or healer. Why would someone want to be mistreated by random kids who think they are top %1 players? I've played for over 17yrs and I stopped tanking when my rl friends stopped playing.
I think people have forgotten that a game is meant to be enjoyed. Competition is fine when that's the point (for example, one doesn't train for the Olympics to 'enjoy' themselves), but if people want to bring the elitist mindset to pugs -- they have no clue what's what. Honestly, I think a lot of people do the try-hard thing in games as a proxy for self-esteem: their real-life sucks, and they have little or no power to address that so, instead, they play a game and do the try-hard ego thing to feel better about themselves (sadly, by being toxic toward others). Just a thought.
@@RichardHarlos I understand what you mean. However, if ya have someone jumping all the way into an +8 playing like a new boot, I'm not surprised that they will catch some flack off it. +1 and 2 and maybe a bit further are the "learning" keys. +7 and up, you should and generally are expected to know what you're doing, at least 90% of it.
@@Tano248 My point wasn't that someone should jump into a +8 as a noob so, really, your reply to me doesn't address anything I wrote; it addresses something I didnt' write. That makes it a straw man.
@@RichardHarlos Pugs for M+ aren't made for enjoyment. We're there to get loot/score. If one wants enjoyment as you put it, make buddies or put "chill" in the posting and make buddies there. We haven't forgotten how to enjoy the game. Pushing the key harder or getting loot is how we enjoy the game. I get what you're saying but I disagree. They come to a key, come prepared. Ain't trying to be there all day teaching my 20th "noob"
I love tanking but i hate the speedrunning that has to happen every single fucking time even on normal or heroic. Tried to get back into tanking with tww and while i'm still trying to learn my spec and the dungeon mechanics simultaneously i get yeeted around by some ritalin priest while the ADHD DH pulls the entire room. Calm the fuck down, people. No wonder noone wants to tank.
Exactly but at the same time, when this happens it helps me not stress so much because if I can get aggro good, but if not, not my fault and I'm not breaking my neck for it so I just run thru like normal and let them take the first few hits. It's on the healer at that point. We can't control the group. I know tanks are supposed to be leaders but I'd listen to a healer before I would a tank.
Big mood, I've been a healer main for years, but I started tanking after getting aggravated with bad tanks. Now I'm aggravated at healers that can't play their class for shit.
As a masochist, I've always gravitated towards support roles like tanking and healing in all games. It's rewarding, ques are quicker, and you become part of a special babysitters club for the masses of dps. Just remember there will always be toxic players, karma works itself out. Take the positive lesson from the negative players feedback. Ignore the tone and focus on what you can learn from it. I like your outlook on the learning experience GG.
I have been a tank man for years. Matter fact, I got the idea of tanking when I first started playing my very first MMORPG back in 1999 called EverQuest. Back then I didn’t even know what a tank was. Somebody told me to go pull a mob and tank it while they helped me kill it. I was playing a warrior at the time. Ever since then I kind of just gravitated toward the role. I have been taking a break from it over the past several years though because I just wanted to relax and push my little key bindings and do my rotation and that’s it people have gotten to the pointwhere they criticize and complain about every little thing and I’m not afraid to tell someone about themselves. So to avoid arguments I just played DPS. Keep my mouth shut and follow the group.
I’ve always wanted to play a Prot warrior but there’s so much anxiety for me around learning routes and people pulling extra things if they don’t think you’re going fast enough
Me, been tanking M+ since Legion, with 0 pathing/route skills: *nervous chuckle* In all seriousness; unless you wanna push +10-15 keys, it hardly even matters. By the time you've climbed that high the route is ingrained in your brain anyway.
I started tanking in TWW only 2 days ago tbh; it helps a LOT having buddies around who are happy to heal you. The communication, control and everything in between is immensely useful - I know when my buddy has no mana and even if I run into a fight before I realised; can quickly correct with a few unplanned CD's. The amount of people who treat it like a heroic is high - and the DPS who want you to chainpull even if your not geared or ready about the same. In 1-4s I can safely say your fine to max out with double pulls and don't even push for them unless you know its safe + have big CDs up to spend. I've failed more runs because people tried to rush me then I have because i went slow and steady; which is my usual strat for the moment. The timer makes people a bit nuts but its super inefficient to expect giant pulls in low keys when people don't do the basics.. Had a Ret Pala come into my group with my healer bud in disc comming with me. Pala's running around shouting to go here and there and eventually pulls a pack while literally the rest of team already on the opposite ship (DB) fighting a different pack. He can get as mad as he wants; but that was on him 100%. If they ever want to rush you around and direct you while being rude; just tell them to "send through the route" and if they have nothing (they will not, almost guranteed) just tell them "guess i'm running my one then" I got sick of listening to DPS who stood in fire, refused to kick, messing up all over the place and trying to sweat everyone else. They are so much more common in low keys and its annoying because of how unnecessary it is in the first place. Tortoise and the Hare feels apt for the lower runs - slow and steady wins the race alot of the time.
This is my first expac i really gave wow a chance and decided I would main warrior. Once I got used to how prot worked and a bit of gear, the amount of delve and other groups that need a tank honestly surprised me. I thought healer would be tied with it but no, majority of tier 8 delves are always looking for a tank. I've been I've made a handful of friends and get invited quite a few times to different content so from personal experience I can definitely agree with your vid.
I started in 2005 as a healer. (But we don't talk about those days. /shudder) Took on tanking in WoLK and fell in love. This video really opens it up for me. Great stuff. I'll never need to know all this, because I only play alone now, but still... The feeling of being the tank, the person in front bashing their shield and challenging bosses to try to kill them -- it's just the best.
ive been playing all the roles. dps is the most fun, healer is the hardest, tank is the easiest (and boring'ish). What balances itself is how quickly you can find pugs as healer/tank compared to dps
@@TheRunner3D Funny how I would say tank is the hardest because it traditionally requires the most upfront knowledge of the activity. Healer can be hardest is your group doesn't care about their performance and responsibilities and you're trying to save the day constantly. DPS has always been the easiest role, you just follow along and pew pew and occasionally remember you have an interrupt if you manage to move out of stuff on the ground in time.
The problem of tanking is raid … only 2 tank needed in every raid … 2 tank in 30 spot … In a guild or u are sure to tank or offtank or u never play as a tank …
@@Guldfisken90some people dont have a fixed schedule to raid with. I always pug simply because somedays ill play for 1 hour others days ill play for 5hrs it depends, and some weeks i simply won't play
@@marcelrodriguez2067 Raid tanking is stressful asfk imo. I hated being the frontman for 24-39 people honestly. I love tanking dungeons but usually roll with a healer and that gives me a lvl of "oh well, go again" - sometimes raid tanking felt like having a bunch of people watching me try and fail brain surgery while everyone was playing tic-tac-toe. Not saying its super hard, but actually walling your team on content because you specifically struggle with something hits diff when your "the guy" who has to learn it. Loved healing though; death = guranteed brez + not a guranteed wipe = my kinda space to play. Oh and i'm not saying tanking is incredibly complex; just that there were certain bosses got me real good and it stressed me out on a whole different level. I think its the only role i'd be audibly REEEEing at my screen the second health gets low also. If i'm the tip of the spear; my team is just doomed :P
Tanking is rough now. I feel so squishy, even as a bear tank while blowing through my defensive and healing CDs. 601 iLvl and I’m getting hit so hard in lower M+.
I don't personally think tanking is rough or that tanks are actually squishy. They certainly have less self-sustain, but also "low M+" isn't actually traditional low keys anymore and I think this escapes a lot of people post dungeon re-work. The number might be low, but the difficulty is not.
I think everything is just a bit out of balance now. If you manage your core rotation well and you don't pull too crazy it cant be that you are playing bad. The lower keys are also heavy right now haha.
My issue with tanking after the nerfs is that wow team STILL doesnt understand their own game. Why did the nerfs happen? Most likely bcs of the ongoing arms race between wow team and 0.1% M+ players... as always... I dont mind doing way less damage than dps but if my selfsustain gets nerfed meaning if I feel like I dont have control over the fight as a tank then my enjoyment goes out the window. Plus I really wish classes would be stronger with their skill ceiling. It took me a bit to learn to play brewmaster really well and what do I get for it? underperforming tank which doesnt even do damage as it used to. I think wow team should look more into tanking in other games and stop having this thing "it was always this way so its the right way"
Since RWF in BFA blizz is everything doing for 0,1% playerbase. Nothing new. They changed everything because they hate m+ popularity and the lower raid player community each year.
Good video. I wish I could play a tank reactively and not proactively. Really hate having to study and memorize everything up front, as I would rather learn as I go. And speaking of, wish I could pug while learning to tank, but the toxicity of pugs makes that impossible, unfortunately.
BDK is the tank for you then, you can get away with not pressing a defensive in time on low keys and just heal back with death strike, so by the time you do a little higher keys, you know exactly when to pop a defensive. Blood dk is really the closest you get to a reactive tank, though it's not enough to just react in higher keys
BEST DECISION OF MY WOW LIFE. I can finally play the game, watch the screen, what is happenin, KICKING properly As a DPS I was so Braindead. And now i can see the Badness of DPS Players even if they "pump"
Pro tip. Macro a skull target mark on a button, even on a skill that you reserve for the primary kill target - hopefully the dps understand what this means!
mate i was really thnking about a change up in my roles i play. was a main healer for so long and tried dps, wasnt getting the feels for it. went back to healing and just suddenly felt like i was burntout from healing entirely. Went into my guild raid just a couple nights ago and then when we heard that both our guild tanks were busy with irl stuff, our guild went into panic mode. Since i have been thinking for the last couple of weeks about maybe trying out tanking for the first time, i was having anxieties about the role and this video just helped me make up my mind. Also having some conversation with my guild friends about the tanking role last night made me want to try Blood DK even more. I still have some anxieties of this role but hey i'll give it a go. I needed this change up.
I leveled my Ret pally and literally never got a shield to drop. I just finally found my spark of omens, so maybe I’ll be able to craft one. I was shocked that I did random dungeons and heroics while questing from 70-80 and never once saw a shield drop. Plenty of one handed weapons.
Tanking m+ stresses the fuck out of me did a couple 3s with my 606 bdk and i survive fine but people just die left and right never been able to time a 3. Pugging can be so frustrating and it sucks cause pugging is all i could do since my time is limited.
The issue is mostly tied to said key level, since the lower level you go, the worse people tend to perform, as their experience and skills are not good enough for higher keys. That being said, you can 100% find smoothbrains even in high keys, that's clearly been boosted
Yea i agree i was finally able to finish a mists of tirna 3 yesterday since the dps finally knew how to do second boss since add phase was always killing the rest.
If your Dps are just dying to their own mechanical ability, don’t sweat that. There are a lot of dumb Dps in lower keys my man. As long as you’re not over pulling and rotating your CDs I wouldn’t worry about it.
For me the thing i don't like about tanking is that theres not always place for you in a raid. MaybeI'm weird but i like tanking... if i focus on tanking i don't want to be forced into dps in raids because you only need 2. Not the biggest problem now since 10 man raiding is a thing but it can be hard to find a spot.
Soon as delves were switched to stupid hard all anyone wanted was a tank. So I decided to finally learn Prot Paladin (was maining Holy) so I could actually play the game and get into groups. Let me tell you, it is the most fun I’ve had in years of WoW. I’m the boss now, we go my pace, I make the decisions. Suddenly my entire warband is all tanks. It’s worth it folks. Make the switch!
Basically be the tank you wish you had as a DPS player. I got into tanking and healing because I got so tired of waiting for LFG queues, and now I always play a couple different tank classes. My main is usually a healer now as well, because I find it much more fun than just doing damage.
Great video, guys! Another reason to start taking is to be a havoc DH who keeps eating frontals and decides that maybe that's where you should be to begin with. Now to get the hang of those paladin defensives. ❤
The amount of Brewmasters just spinning jade kicking and never tossing a cask is astonishing atm... then wondering why the dungeon isnt going smooth or they arent keeping aggro on every single boss
I Main Tank since wotlk. But it’s sometimes hard. The responsibility is very high and you have to be in harmony with the healer in M+ and with the second tank in raids. If that isn’t the case, you either are overequipped or you are fucked.
biggest problem for tanks is Raids and Guilds only need 2 tanks. Therefore the groups that matter never really need a tank since the role is already taken. And when the population doesnt main a tank for this reason , the dungeons that need a tank are always in a deficit. Raiding needs to change to need more tank, not just 2.
I haven't played retail in a long time, just came back for TWW. I tanked (and DPS'd and healed too) up to WoD. Coming back, tanking feels way stronger. The solo ability is ridiculous. The DPS is impressive. The defensives are endless. The self-sustain is fantastic. I hear how no one's tanking because it sucks so much but I'm just coming from a different place. Tanking feels great to me.
I would love to tank, the barrier to entry just seems so high, especially as someone who has never even done a mythic+ dungeon let alone has any friends to play with. Idont even know where I would start.
Tanking my first season because our group could never find tanks. Cleared normal and half of heroic last week in just pugs. Tanking isn't bad just get over the fear you will be the reason they wipe, 9/10 out of 10 its a BR Rag player throwing the raid / group anyway :D
If you are looking for some people to run with, my wife and I have talked about M+ and could use a tank. We like learning with people. Let me know if you are down.
Download the MDT addon and look up a route online for whatever dungeon you want to do then you can upload it to your MDT in game and run a heroic version of the dungeon and just open MDT while running it to learn the route in heroic. The only other thing is learning boss mechanics which heroic can also teach you. This season a lot of the dungeons don’t have very much wiggle room on how many groups you have to kill so learning routing is pretty easy this season. Tanking itself is easy you just pop cooldowns when you do big pulls and when ever your DBM add on tells you to
Truth is 99.999% of wow players(i have 20 years of experience) cant handle the single step out of the fire mechanic per dungeon, so leading as a tank is around a 10000x skill gap
Another twenty year WoW vet here. Mechanics need to be signaled better (ex.: the wave graphic that is backwards and the bad area is marked in green instead of red). People don't want to learn up front, they want real-time reactive indications that make sense for them and are seeable in all of the graphics overload (especially as they get older and see less well). Personally I turned off the damage numbers flying about and that helped a little bit. More and BETTER UX design needs to go into fights so that people can be reactive and not have to be proactive (like FFXIV does basically).
I started TWW as a tank (first War, then tried DK). My problem with it will always be the responsibility you are put through. A single small error from a tank can be equal to several big errors from DPS/Healers. I played in groups where DPS fuck up like 5 times in a row and as soon as a tank does something wrong you get pointed out. And that's exhausting: your positioning influences everybodys' else. You never get additional reward or gratification in any sense in the game, you just feel it as an additional burden you get for playing what you enjoy the most. At this point I prefer to play DPS. I've played all the tanks beside DH (still wish for a earth shaman tank with 2H mace or a proper warlock one) and I feel everyone has their own identity and I love it. Hero talents should be a way to have more customization over your picks, not just a choice between two ways of doing dps. The gameplay right now is pretty much fun in terms of rotations tho, but you are required to optimize to do regular players' content. Why should I play at my 100% where player can do the same at their 50%? That's the point.
Omg 🤣🤣 "Mage mongoing on it like it just stole it's car keys..." You really have a way with words (and I feel a bit called out there as dps honestly lol) I'm still laughing over that one. Thanks for this! 💪👍 you're awesome
Most healers are still in the Dragonflight mindset where they rarely have to heal the tank. Most are clueless about the nerfs and that tanks need additional healing this expac
I refuse! As a main healer since first beta and mastering all healing class I will not blindly fall into this shit meta, I shall find them ways to be what a healer is supposed to be, and not this nonsense
Ran a time walking dungeon with my boomy. Tank kept dragging casters out of my solar beam, silences casters inside it, and kept taking big damage from them.
i always wanted to try 4 tanks in a raid 2 main tanks and two off-tanks to deal with adds, stop raid fights just being single target and add more cleave, to many mechanics are just becoming overwhelming reducing them and adding adds that have the same mechanics that just have to be killed would make both parts of the fight feel rewarding adding more consistent and clear burn phase. it sucks watching people pop all their cooldowns and then RP kicks in, a bubble happens, and were just running around the room waiting for cds to come back
Fk it, im tanking. You inspired me. I was thinking about it for so long, grinded all my dps gear as warrior got to 511 ilvl but no group to play in. Im doing it.
Dude it's the best decision ever. Finally playing the game. Don't be too stressed, you will Fck Up and that is totally normal. I promise after a time you can't go back to DPS
alright boys ive been moving so have not been able to touch the game and im a tank. How bad are the dungeons this time around? does every mob have a mechanic each pull or only most of them?
The best advice I can give as an experienced Blood DK is using the right trinkets that compliment your build. Same with choosing a healer that compliments your defensive profile. Don’t be afraid to use hybrid defensive trinkets to fix the weaknesses of your spec. As a Blood DK, I take a ton of initial damage on pull so a trinket that procs a shield or dodge effect is huge. If you don’t have good self-healing, go for a trinket that passively heals.
Less Defensive and More Tank Buster - Idk why Blizz thinks it is fcking cool for Tanks ??? Trash mobs from Grim Batol are filled with Tank Buster ffs and other dungeon stressed out the Tank and Healer so bad. Fck Blizz
Hardest so far is finding a group that can do enough damage. Tanking dungeons the exact same way, but the result is night and day for damage and success.
My problem would be not knowing how to navigate the dungeon, where to go first and which route to follow. In FFXIV (when I tried it for a bit) the dungeons were much more linear but I started struggling as soon as it branched off lol..
my issue atm is not the tanking when trying to put a group together its hours of waiting for people to que up, i remember in df and even shadowlands the ques were full of people wanting to join.. but the changes kinda ruined M+ cause no one wants to que for them anymore. so like I've been trying to do my key all week but can't and even trying to pug into groups wont help to reroll my key I'm kinda just stuck not being able to run M+ cause of the class I chose or my key rolled onto the bad dungeon of the week.
Im dipping my toes into the water of tanking. For those that want to try but like me are a little anxious: there is a macro you can use to totally hide the chat window... Lol. Just do your run and ignore your group. Don't worry about what they think- if it goes south youll just get a group again in 10 seconds 😅
There may be a lack of tanks and healers in the endgame, but getting there is not easy. Trying to find raid as a healer, every raid with 10+ dps already have 3-5 healers (and 2 tanks) Doing Delves to gear up, if you dont want to go insane from the frustration you better change to another build. Leaving normal dungeons for healers to get gear, 1:3 ratio with DPS and still almost instant and very little change to get above 600
I was tanking in WoD and Legion and the biggest downside to it was that I had to left my favorite class - shaman. Blizz - pls give us some cool earth shaman tanking spec 🙏
I was tanking as a pally and it sucked so bad. I just swapped to ret and im having so much more fun, but holy shit waiting for a tank took soooooo long. Gotta level my DK so i can tank again now 😅
I Joined Wow in 2006 for raiding. Completely lived for it. ALL DPS and Heals used Threat meters to ensure we didn't pass the tank. Since Lich King, Raiding became a DPS show-off/Race. I watched player after player completely ignore mechanics to top out the DAMAGE meter. They pulled, died and blamed tanks and heals. Tanks wanna-bes would DPS-tank in their PVP gear and die, blaming Heals for not keeping them alive! And healers would become overwhelmed and start ignoring "unimportant raid members" to prioritize the tank. It all became just so toxic. So I retired my Pally & Warrior tanks although I still level them in Tank spec to keep my skills. I Retired my Holy Priest who I still level and my Druid.
This is the best time to play tank. Hardly anyone criticizes you because everyone’s extremely desperate for them. You will get some whiners, but it’s less than normal. As a tank you get instant delves, instant M+ with dungeon of your choice, and even easy raid slots if you PUG raid. And tanking raids is the easiest thing ever. A Mythic raid tank plays the game on easy mode while getting top tier rewards.
Too little, too late for me. It's good if most got "desperate" and stopped "criticizing," but that happened only just past my own breaking point. You kids have fun.
"Hardly anyone criticizes you because everyone’s extremely desperate for them. You will get some whiners, but it’s less than normal." Instead you'll just get passive-aggressive pulling of mobs for you that causes wipes and people leaving early. The old 'trinity' mindset really needs to come back, fundamentally that's the meta problem at hand here. If people respect the trinity then runs go smoothly, and everybody is happy (assuming everybody is also doing their own jobs well and not just trying to do other members jobs instead).
@@Electric_ If you're tanking, and having a great time playing tank in the game as it is, that's awesome for you. Even better for you that the rest of us are opting out, right? By all means, enjoy!
I started tanking at the third season of DF. So far i've played around 60% tank and 40% DPS in TWW. For those who have tanking anxiety because of routes. If you're not doing really high push keys. Use the routes of those 5 to 10min guide videos you can find from youtube. They're more than good enough unless you're doing super high push keys. You can practice the routes in M0 since there is no timer. The jump from heroic to M0 is huge in terms of survivability so don't jump straight to M+ if you're new to tanking. And those worrying about DPS pulling intentionally. Yes, this happens a lot in heroic and normal but not so much in mythic or mythic +. Because if they do it in mythic dungeons they die and stop doing it.
as main VDH since legion i can say tanking rn is not hard its painfull & rly rly not fun at all , i taking 1 hit form 30% of my hp whit ilvl 610 full enchant in +6 !!! i think the m+ rn need tuning in all dangeouns & i think this painfull experiance will be double for healers perspective for example i played whit shammy healer whit 1.1 m healing cant heal necrotic wake +5 3th boss!! , i dont wana be negative person i love VDH & i love wow but this is in another lvl of untunning they want to solve tank problame but now we cant even tank adds in tranical week this is awful
Ive been tanking for many years love to tank and see people get nice loots they been wanting to drop my problem tanking is the mentality of go go go go go. then you wipe , i mean its a never ending , no wonder no one wants to tank or heal and in TWW if i do tank it will be for friends only cause of the TOXICITY that comes with LFG
The fact this video exists, and needs to exist, is why there are no Tanks. I used to MT for my Raid guilds back in the day but M+ absolutely killed it for me.... even in guild or friend groups I hated it. A lot of it was due to the required trash percentage with routes changing weekly due to affixes while chasing the timer. Even today, we've had Raid Tanks who go DPS for keys.
this is bait, just play healer. Most of the benefits with way less responsibility (and still get to dps here and there). I stopped tanking because as a casual m+ player I just can't spend the time to keep up with routes and everything, and spending time refreshing when I don't play for a month (or deal with feeling like I am letting my group down). The tanks are expected to put in so much time before the dungeon even starts to figure out a decent route (not even considering optimizing routes). Knowing the key pack knowledge, and properly setting up your group to succeed with your positioning. As a healer you just need to vaguely know the main dmg dealing mechanics in a dungeon, and if you have enough gear you don't even need to know that much, after a few packs you'll learn what deals big damage and adjust. You don't need to know the route well ahead of time, just follow tank. The ILvl expectations of a healer are lower than tanks. Also as a healer you have more raid spots (if you decide to raid). EDIT: On TOP of all this, it really feels like for S1 casual M+ is just for fun, since the gear it gives is way below rate in comparison to other options. I recently came back to the game and booted up a fresh character after the first week. 600 ilvl after a few days, most of the gear that propped up my ILvl came from non M+ content (delves, endgame quests, timewalking raid, pvp, and pvp crafts). With like 15k gold and around 3 hours or so of pvp you can get a few 606 ilvl r4 crafts, and a few 597 upgradeable bloody token pieces. M+ does not hold a candle to this. 8 T8 delves get you 3 616 vault options, and one 603 per coffer key. M+ is nowhere near this. If I only play M+ for fun and not gear, then much better to just play heals (since dps can't get into groups).
Theres no way i could play a pure dps class, because like you said you CANNOT get into a dungeon as dps in a reasonable time. Im thankful i have a great guild because id be exclusively tanking/healing otherwise
Yeah...no. Thanks but no thanks. I actually wanted to try tanking this expansion on my warrior- But I mostly pug, and after running with people that get mad at the tanks for pulling too much, not enough, not fast enough, or knowing the routes on day one? Nope. Turned me against wanting to do it :( And those same people complain why it's hard to find tanks- because the community is toxic, and they're not accommodating or willingly to give people a chance to learn. So I will stick to dpsing instead.
I think the big problem is the superficiality where everyone is following "tier lists" even though on low keys it's relatively indifferent. And high keys as someone noted here are frequented by 0.1% of people. Another cool thing is the "dmg/dps meters", where I don't even have aggro and dps are already going full dmg to avoid accidentally being a few numbers down in the meter and then just screaming "hey aggro, I'm dead". I play prot paladin and it's a lot of times pain where my HP is jumping up, down and I keep turning on all the def spells on CD and stacking "shining light" on instat heal all the time, god forbid when I run out of CDs I'm done.
I would love to tank but everytime i have a dps who thinks he needs to pull everything and so the fun is gone.😅 Give dps also in low content onehits and they maybe learn it. :/
Learn the dungeons on heroic. When you start doing m+ advertise "learning run" or "new people welcome". Tell people what to kick before you start. Always do your own key, build your own group. I rarely EVER meet toxic people this way and hardly ever fail a key
“You decide when the combat starts” yeaaaaaaaah that isn’t my experience so far. I had to quit tanking due to how toxic everyone is and pulling the dungeons ahead of me
I’ve played on and off for over 18 years, always tanked. Recently came back after a couple of years, and find lfg is so toxic that I’ve started playing solo content and some dps.
I liked tanking in WoW, and well, in general. However, when the balance mongrels wanted to force me out of the spec I liked into the ones I really disliked, all this exacerbated by the needs and wants of a mythic raiding guild. I just stopped, I still hold the line for my squishies, just not in Azeroth, never again in Azeroth
I main tank and ive done that for 3 last expansions. I always push high keys and do mythic raiding. Raiding is fine and mythic+ keys are fun when you play with friends and if you are great player. But smallest misstake as a tank on a 10+ key you will die and cause a wipe and brick the key. Small mistake as pulling wrong pack, pulling to big, not having enough defensives up for next pack. Or just simply having no defensive up for 0.5 seconds you are dead. Tanking have never been harder than it is in this expansion. Its so damn unforgiving, i feel more sorry for the healers tho. I have 620 ilvl and 2.5k rating so far as a dh tank. The toxicity and elitism that is pulled out from people that is doing high end content like 10+ keys are crazy. I would like to say im a decent player, i know all routes on all dungeons. I do 9s with ease, but 10s are hard, not gonna lie.
I was a former main tank for the last two expansions and got annoyed from dps in high keys. So I stopped, got my mage back on and switch off my brain and just follow my tank in keys as any other usual wow player.
Am a tank, i do my route and i insult dps who dont interrupt or dps with lower than 1.4M in 10+ keys. If your ilvl is over 120, you should have 1.3M overall DPS without big pulls.
Idk I just did a time walking dung on my bear and was full hp pulled the mods and dead ass got one shot just dropped dead completely kills tanking for me
Tanks are fine. It's just gone back to tanks can't solo bosses and need healing so dps has to stay out of bad. Really the difficulty has only risen slightly. You have to use your tank abilities now instead of speccing pure dps.
the last two raids my guild did we had to pug a tank.. half my guild is dps or heals so some of us are learning how to tank. hence why im here. i do have some exerpiance tanking in wotlk and cata. which is funny conten was harder back then. i dont know why i dont tank now. it has nothing to with lack of skill.
Trying to sell tanking as "DPSing with extra cooldowns" xD Tank DPS matters only at the very, very, very high end of things and even there it's not so much the DPS as it's game knowledge and CD usage. Let's face it, the most frustrating part about tanking is joining the wrong groups. Just like myself and inviting that 1500MR Evoker healer that pushed an insane 200k HPS within a +6 key. Needless to say that we only lasted until the second pull (which is when I had no more CDs to stay alive and started looking at the meters). The ONLY way to survive as a Tank is to make friends. It's really that simple. This whole mindset of "solo gameplay" is what killed WoW to begin with. So break the meta! Make friends. Have more fun.
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My biggest hangup on tanking is not knowing perfect speed routes for every dungeon and most seem unwilling to wait
Queue as DPS a few times before tanking to learn the routes first.
Do smaller keys to get accustomed, start by saying "hey guys, learning the ropes, have some patience with me please" or just say it before the key starts and let people leave the group if they have a problem. Saves you the issue of them leaving mid key, and you can eventually find people that are willing to be patient. You would be surprised :D, just need to communicate
That was my issue at first but run some M0’s for a week and you’ll get it down quickly. Playing with a guild or group of friends in voice makes a big difference while learning too.
@@MarcelianOnlineYup. Start by posting an M0 and saying “New tank learning” and you’ll get players that are more patient usually
Doesn't matter man i started running around like an idiot in dungeons. Just do it people don't know you💪🫡
most players do not want to interact with the toxic M+ community especially as a tank or healer. Why would someone want to be mistreated by random kids who think they are top %1 players? I've played for over 17yrs and I stopped tanking when my rl friends stopped playing.
Kids? Lol, that's a 40 yr old popping off in M+ haha!
I think people have forgotten that a game is meant to be enjoyed. Competition is fine when that's the point (for example, one doesn't train for the Olympics to 'enjoy' themselves), but if people want to bring the elitist mindset to pugs -- they have no clue what's what. Honestly, I think a lot of people do the try-hard thing in games as a proxy for self-esteem: their real-life sucks, and they have little or no power to address that so, instead, they play a game and do the try-hard ego thing to feel better about themselves (sadly, by being toxic toward others).
Just a thought.
@@RichardHarlos I understand what you mean. However, if ya have someone jumping all the way into an +8 playing like a new boot, I'm not surprised that they will catch some flack off it. +1 and 2 and maybe a bit further are the "learning" keys. +7 and up, you should and generally are expected to know what you're doing, at least 90% of it.
@@Tano248 My point wasn't that someone should jump into a +8 as a noob so, really, your reply to me doesn't address anything I wrote; it addresses something I didnt' write. That makes it a straw man.
@@RichardHarlos Pugs for M+ aren't made for enjoyment. We're there to get loot/score. If one wants enjoyment as you put it, make buddies or put "chill" in the posting and make buddies there. We haven't forgotten how to enjoy the game. Pushing the key harder or getting loot is how we enjoy the game. I get what you're saying but I disagree. They come to a key, come prepared. Ain't trying to be there all day teaching my 20th "noob"
I love tanking but i hate the speedrunning that has to happen every single fucking time even on normal or heroic. Tried to get back into tanking with tww and while i'm still trying to learn my spec and the dungeon mechanics simultaneously i get yeeted around by some ritalin priest while the ADHD DH pulls the entire room. Calm the fuck down, people. No wonder noone wants to tank.
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thats what happens when mobs cant kill dps. EZ fix blizzard...
or heal
This my main reservation for tanking. I want to learn it but people are wildly impatient.
Exactly but at the same time, when this happens it helps me not stress so much because if I can get aggro good, but if not, not my fault and I'm not breaking my neck for it so I just run thru like normal and let them take the first few hits. It's on the healer at that point. We can't control the group. I know tanks are supposed to be leaders but I'd listen to a healer before I would a tank.
Funny enough i stopped tanking because i got tired of dealing with the dps in my groups. now im dealing with the random tanks. vicious cycle lmao
Go heals so you can get angry at both.
Big mood, I've been a healer main for years, but I started tanking after getting aggravated with bad tanks. Now I'm aggravated at healers that can't play their class for shit.
@@Kotterythey atleast try. You didnt had your dungeon if they werent there😂
As a masochist, I've always gravitated towards support roles like tanking and healing in all games. It's rewarding, ques are quicker, and you become part of a special babysitters club for the masses of dps.
Just remember there will always be toxic players, karma works itself out. Take the positive lesson from the negative players feedback. Ignore the tone and focus on what you can learn from it. I like your outlook on the learning experience GG.
I have been a tank man for years. Matter fact, I got the idea of tanking when I first started playing my very first MMORPG back in 1999 called EverQuest. Back then I didn’t even know what a tank was. Somebody told me to go pull a mob and tank it while they helped me kill it. I was playing a warrior at the time. Ever since then I kind of just gravitated toward the role. I have been taking a break from it over the past several years though because I just wanted to relax and push my little key bindings and do my rotation and that’s it people have gotten to the pointwhere they criticize and complain about every little thing and I’m not afraid to tell someone about themselves. So to avoid arguments I just played DPS. Keep my mouth shut and follow the group.
playing as dps is easiest in wow
Love the 74 deaths at lvl 4 at 7:36
I’ve always wanted to play a Prot warrior but there’s so much anxiety for me around learning routes and people pulling extra things if they don’t think you’re going fast enough
Going too fast will kill everyone. Because dps don't interrupt or cc mobs
Me, been tanking M+ since Legion, with 0 pathing/route skills: *nervous chuckle*
In all seriousness; unless you wanna push +10-15 keys, it hardly even matters. By the time you've climbed that high the route is ingrained in your brain anyway.
@@silviodCardoso lol interupts are huge this time around and people dont do it. Facts
I started tanking in TWW only 2 days ago tbh; it helps a LOT having buddies around who are happy to heal you. The communication, control and everything in between is immensely useful - I know when my buddy has no mana and even if I run into a fight before I realised; can quickly correct with a few unplanned CD's.
The amount of people who treat it like a heroic is high - and the DPS who want you to chainpull even if your not geared or ready about the same.
In 1-4s I can safely say your fine to max out with double pulls and don't even push for them unless you know its safe + have big CDs up to spend.
I've failed more runs because people tried to rush me then I have because i went slow and steady; which is my usual strat for the moment.
The timer makes people a bit nuts but its super inefficient to expect giant pulls in low keys when people don't do the basics..
Had a Ret Pala come into my group with my healer bud in disc comming with me. Pala's running around shouting to go here and there and eventually pulls a pack while literally the rest of team already on the opposite ship (DB) fighting a different pack. He can get as mad as he wants; but that was on him 100%.
If they ever want to rush you around and direct you while being rude; just tell them to "send through the route" and if they have nothing (they will not, almost guranteed) just tell them "guess i'm running my one then"
I got sick of listening to DPS who stood in fire, refused to kick, messing up all over the place and trying to sweat everyone else. They are so much more common in low keys and its annoying because of how unnecessary it is in the first place. Tortoise and the Hare feels apt for the lower runs - slow and steady wins the race alot of the time.
This is my first expac i really gave wow a chance and decided I would main warrior. Once I got used to how prot worked and a bit of gear, the amount of delve and other groups that need a tank honestly surprised me. I thought healer would be tied with it but no, majority of tier 8 delves are always looking for a tank. I've been I've made a handful of friends and get invited quite a few times to different content so from personal experience I can definitely agree with your vid.
I started in 2005 as a healer. (But we don't talk about those days. /shudder) Took on tanking in WoLK and fell in love. This video really opens it up for me. Great stuff. I'll never need to know all this, because I only play alone now, but still... The feeling of being the tank, the person in front bashing their shield and challenging bosses to try to kill them -- it's just the best.
/makes everything harder for healers and tanks
Blizzard: Why are there no healers or tanks!?!?!?!1111oneone?!
To me ranking and healing have never being that fun. Making it harder makes it engaging !
ive been playing all the roles. dps is the most fun, healer is the hardest, tank is the easiest (and boring'ish). What balances itself is how quickly you can find pugs as healer/tank compared to dps
@@PowDJoke Fidget Spinner generation agrees.
@@PowDJoke Too hard/work makes it an UNfun recreational activity.
@@TheRunner3D Funny how I would say tank is the hardest because it traditionally requires the most upfront knowledge of the activity. Healer can be hardest is your group doesn't care about their performance and responsibilities and you're trying to save the day constantly. DPS has always been the easiest role, you just follow along and pew pew and occasionally remember you have an interrupt if you manage to move out of stuff on the ground in time.
The problem of tanking is raid … only 2 tank needed in every raid …
2 tank in 30 spot …
In a guild or u are sure to tank or offtank or u never play as a tank …
Find a guild that needs a tank then :)
@@Guldfisken90some people dont have a fixed schedule to raid with. I always pug simply because somedays ill play for 1 hour others days ill play for 5hrs it depends, and some weeks i simply won't play
Yeah but most guilds prio tank gear and tank gear is more specific (although not as it is used to be) so you get less contest on gear.
@@marcelrodriguez2067 Raid tanking is stressful asfk imo. I hated being the frontman for 24-39 people honestly.
I love tanking dungeons but usually roll with a healer and that gives me a lvl of "oh well, go again" - sometimes raid tanking felt like having a bunch of people watching me try and fail brain surgery while everyone was playing tic-tac-toe.
Not saying its super hard, but actually walling your team on content because you specifically struggle with something hits diff when your "the guy" who has to learn it.
Loved healing though; death = guranteed brez + not a guranteed wipe = my kinda space to play.
Oh and i'm not saying tanking is incredibly complex; just that there were certain bosses got me real good and it stressed me out on a whole different level.
I think its the only role i'd be audibly REEEEing at my screen the second health gets low also. If i'm the tip of the spear; my team is just doomed :P
Tanking is rough now. I feel so squishy, even as a bear tank while blowing through my defensive and healing CDs. 601 iLvl and I’m getting hit so hard in lower M+.
I don't personally think tanking is rough or that tanks are actually squishy. They certainly have less self-sustain, but also "low M+" isn't actually traditional low keys anymore and I think this escapes a lot of people post dungeon re-work. The number might be low, but the difficulty is not.
I think everything is just a bit out of balance now. If you manage your core rotation well and you don't pull too crazy it cant be that you are playing bad. The lower keys are also heavy right now haha.
My issue with tanking after the nerfs is that wow team STILL doesnt understand their own game. Why did the nerfs happen? Most likely bcs of the ongoing arms race between wow team and 0.1% M+ players... as always... I dont mind doing way less damage than dps but if my selfsustain gets nerfed meaning if I feel like I dont have control over the fight as a tank then my enjoyment goes out the window. Plus I really wish classes would be stronger with their skill ceiling. It took me a bit to learn to play brewmaster really well and what do I get for it? underperforming tank which doesnt even do damage as it used to. I think wow team should look more into tanking in other games and stop having this thing "it was always this way so its the right way"
Since RWF in BFA blizz is everything doing for 0,1% playerbase. Nothing new. They changed everything because they hate m+ popularity and the lower raid player community each year.
They needed to need self sustain so healers could actually heal, also unless your a blood DK your self sustain is really an extra.
Good video. I wish I could play a tank reactively and not proactively. Really hate having to study and memorize everything up front, as I would rather learn as I go.
And speaking of, wish I could pug while learning to tank, but the toxicity of pugs makes that impossible, unfortunately.
BDK is the tank for you then, you can get away with not pressing a defensive in time on low keys and just heal back with death strike, so by the time you do a little higher keys, you know exactly when to pop a defensive. Blood dk is really the closest you get to a reactive tank, though it's not enough to just react in higher keys
BEST DECISION OF MY WOW LIFE.
I can finally play the game, watch the screen, what is happenin, KICKING properly
As a DPS I was so Braindead. And now i can see the Badness of DPS Players even if they "pump"
Pro tip.
Macro a skull target mark on a button, even on a skill that you reserve for the primary kill target - hopefully the dps understand what this means!
mate i was really thnking about a change up in my roles i play. was a main healer for so long and tried dps, wasnt getting the feels for it. went back to healing and just suddenly felt like i was burntout from healing entirely. Went into my guild raid just a couple nights ago and then when we heard that both our guild tanks were busy with irl stuff, our guild went into panic mode. Since i have been thinking for the last couple of weeks about maybe trying out tanking for the first time, i was having anxieties about the role and this video just helped me make up my mind.
Also having some conversation with my guild friends about the tanking role last night made me want to try Blood DK even more. I still have some anxieties of this role but hey i'll give it a go. I needed this change up.
I leveled my Ret pally and literally never got a shield to drop. I just finally found my spark of omens, so maybe I’ll be able to craft one. I was shocked that I did random dungeons and heroics while questing from 70-80 and never once saw a shield drop. Plenty of one handed weapons.
Tanking m+ stresses the fuck out of me did a couple 3s with my 606 bdk and i survive fine but people just die left and right never been able to time a 3. Pugging can be so frustrating and it sucks cause pugging is all i could do since my time is limited.
The issue is mostly tied to said key level, since the lower level you go, the worse people tend to perform, as their experience and skills are not good enough for higher keys.
That being said, you can 100% find smoothbrains even in high keys, that's clearly been boosted
Yea i agree i was finally able to finish a mists of tirna 3 yesterday since the dps finally knew how to do second boss since add phase was always killing the rest.
@@marcelrodriguez2067 Good stuff dude :)
M+ is the problem
If your Dps are just dying to their own mechanical ability, don’t sweat that. There are a lot of dumb Dps in lower keys my man. As long as you’re not over pulling and rotating your CDs I wouldn’t worry about it.
For me the thing i don't like about tanking is that theres not always place for you in a raid. MaybeI'm weird but i like tanking... if i focus on tanking i don't want to be forced into dps in raids because you only need 2. Not the biggest problem now since 10 man raiding is a thing but it can be hard to find a spot.
Thanks for the video! I've been playing healer for a while, and this was the video I was looking for to try and jump into tanking.
Soon as delves were switched to stupid hard all anyone wanted was a tank. So I decided to finally learn Prot Paladin (was maining Holy) so I could actually play the game and get into groups. Let me tell you, it is the most fun I’ve had in years of WoW. I’m the boss now, we go my pace, I make the decisions. Suddenly my entire warband is all tanks. It’s worth it folks. Make the switch!
lol i dont even bother grouping for t8 delvs on my tanks i just solo them and with the nerfs again on delvs t9 will be tried today XD
Basically be the tank you wish you had as a DPS player. I got into tanking and healing because I got so tired of waiting for LFG queues, and now I always play a couple different tank classes. My main is usually a healer now as well, because I find it much more fun than just doing damage.
Great video, guys! Another reason to start taking is to be a havoc DH who keeps eating frontals and decides that maybe that's where you should be to begin with. Now to get the hang of those paladin defensives. ❤
I was just thinking about tanking since spriest takes 30-60m to queue and I’m low on time. Thanks for the video !
Blizzard balancing the game around 0.1% of players and screwing over the rest. Tough shit blizzard I’m not tanking m+
The amount of Brewmasters just spinning jade kicking and never tossing a cask is astonishing atm... then wondering why the dungeon isnt going smooth or they arent keeping aggro on every single boss
Wow, haven't seen a single monk :))
I main brew and if you EVER see me spin like a damn beyblade it means I got my breath of fire proc and want to abuse it
@MarcelianOnline just you wait, bruv >:)
do monks excist?
@@EriSenshur Silly brewmaster thinking they're a mistweaver :D
I Main Tank since wotlk. But it’s sometimes hard. The responsibility is very high and you have to be in harmony with the healer in M+ and with the second tank in raids. If that isn’t the case, you either are overequipped or you are fucked.
biggest problem for tanks is Raids and Guilds only need 2 tanks. Therefore the groups that matter never really need a tank since the role is already taken. And when the population doesnt main a tank for this reason , the dungeons that need a tank are always in a deficit. Raiding needs to change to need more tank, not just 2.
I haven't played retail in a long time, just came back for TWW. I tanked (and DPS'd and healed too) up to WoD. Coming back, tanking feels way stronger. The solo ability is ridiculous. The DPS is impressive. The defensives are endless. The self-sustain is fantastic. I hear how no one's tanking because it sucks so much but I'm just coming from a different place. Tanking feels great to me.
Today i tanked a +6 with my 600 ilvl guardian druid and got a compliment from my group, i felt appreciated 🥺
I would love to tank, the barrier to entry just seems so high, especially as someone who has never even done a mythic+ dungeon let alone has any friends to play with. Idont even know where I would start.
Same 😅
Tanking my first season because our group could never find tanks. Cleared normal and half of heroic last week in just pugs. Tanking isn't bad just get over the fear you will be the reason they wipe, 9/10 out of 10 its a BR Rag player throwing the raid / group anyway :D
If you are looking for some people to run with, my wife and I have talked about M+ and could use a tank. We like learning with people. Let me know if you are down.
Download the MDT addon and look up a route online for whatever dungeon you want to do then you can upload it to your MDT in game and run a heroic version of the dungeon and just open MDT while running it to learn the route in heroic. The only other thing is learning boss mechanics which heroic can also teach you. This season a lot of the dungeons don’t have very much wiggle room on how many groups you have to kill so learning routing is pretty easy this season. Tanking itself is easy you just pop cooldowns when you do big pulls and when ever your DBM add on tells you to
Truth is 99.999% of wow players(i have 20 years of experience) cant handle the single step out of the fire mechanic per dungeon, so leading as a tank is around a 10000x skill gap
i agree from healer perspective :D
Lol, definitely feels like that sometimes!
Sounds about right (12 yrs as tank 18 as healer)
Another twenty year WoW vet here.
Mechanics need to be signaled better (ex.: the wave graphic that is backwards and the bad area is marked in green instead of red). People don't want to learn up front, they want real-time reactive indications that make sense for them and are seeable in all of the graphics overload (especially as they get older and see less well).
Personally I turned off the damage numbers flying about and that helped a little bit. More and BETTER UX design needs to go into fights so that people can be reactive and not have to be proactive (like FFXIV does basically).
So true 😭😂
I started TWW as a tank (first War, then tried DK). My problem with it will always be the responsibility you are put through. A single small error from a tank can be equal to several big errors from DPS/Healers. I played in groups where DPS fuck up like 5 times in a row and as soon as a tank does something wrong you get pointed out. And that's exhausting: your positioning influences everybodys' else. You never get additional reward or gratification in any sense in the game, you just feel it as an additional burden you get for playing what you enjoy the most. At this point I prefer to play DPS. I've played all the tanks beside DH (still wish for a earth shaman tank with 2H mace or a proper warlock one) and I feel everyone has their own identity and I love it. Hero talents should be a way to have more customization over your picks, not just a choice between two ways of doing dps. The gameplay right now is pretty much fun in terms of rotations tho, but you are required to optimize to do regular players' content. Why should I play at my 100% where player can do the same at their 50%? That's the point.
I love tanking, I hate that you need to know all the content by heart compared to the others that just follow you..
Omg 🤣🤣 "Mage mongoing on it like it just stole it's car keys..." You really have a way with words (and I feel a bit called out there as dps honestly lol) I'm still laughing over that one. Thanks for this! 💪👍 you're awesome
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When they started making healers have to dps has messed up tanking..now I barely get healed..
Most healers are still in the Dragonflight mindset where they rarely have to heal the tank.
Most are clueless about the nerfs and that tanks need additional healing this expac
These takes are hilarious 😂
I refuse! As a main healer since first beta and mastering all healing class I will not blindly fall into this shit meta, I shall find them ways to be what a healer is supposed to be, and not this nonsense
OR you play healer. Instant invite whenever I want to do literally ANYTHING. Not easy but if you get into it it’s very satisfying
I didn’t realize how bad things were until I started getting RealID requests after every dungeon 😂
Ran a time walking dungeon with my boomy. Tank kept dragging casters out of my solar beam, silences casters inside it, and kept taking big damage from them.
i always wanted to try 4 tanks in a raid 2 main tanks and two off-tanks to deal with adds, stop raid fights just being single target and add more cleave, to many mechanics are just becoming overwhelming reducing them and adding adds that have the same mechanics that just have to be killed would make both parts of the fight feel rewarding adding more consistent and clear burn phase. it sucks watching people pop all their cooldowns and then RP kicks in, a bubble happens, and were just running around the room waiting for cds to come back
That's been tested for 2b decades. Doesn't work due to enrage timers
Fk it, im tanking. You inspired me. I was thinking about it for so long, grinded all my dps gear as warrior got to 511 ilvl but no group to play in. Im doing it.
Dude it's the best decision ever.
Finally playing the game.
Don't be too stressed, you will Fck Up and that is totally normal.
I promise after a time you can't go back to DPS
alright boys ive been moving so have not been able to touch the game and im a tank. How bad are the dungeons this time around? does every mob have a mechanic each pull or only most of them?
you can learn to tank by using the follower dungeons
The best advice I can give as an experienced Blood DK is using the right trinkets that compliment your build. Same with choosing a healer that compliments your defensive profile.
Don’t be afraid to use hybrid defensive trinkets to fix the weaknesses of your spec.
As a Blood DK, I take a ton of initial damage on pull so a trinket that procs a shield or dodge effect is huge. If you don’t have good self-healing, go for a trinket that passively heals.
The question is WHY can’t you find tanks. At this point lugging past a 3 on a tank is a horrible idea.
Tanking is great, TWW tanking is not
Agreed. Been a tank in mmos for over 20 years and for years on wow. This is the least fun Ive had as a tank.
Less Defensive and More Tank Buster - Idk why Blizz thinks it is fcking cool for Tanks ??? Trash mobs from Grim Batol are filled with Tank Buster ffs and other dungeon stressed out the Tank and Healer so bad. Fck Blizz
Hardest so far is finding a group that can do enough damage. Tanking dungeons the exact same way, but the result is night and day for damage and success.
My problem would be not knowing how to navigate the dungeon, where to go first and which route to follow. In FFXIV (when I tried it for a bit) the dungeons were much more linear but I started struggling as soon as it branched off lol..
my issue atm is not the tanking when trying to put a group together its hours of waiting for people to que up, i remember in df and even shadowlands the ques were full of people wanting to join.. but the changes kinda ruined M+ cause no one wants to que for them anymore. so like I've been trying to do my key all week but can't and even trying to pug into groups wont help to reroll my key I'm kinda just stuck not being able to run M+ cause of the class I chose or my key rolled onto the bad dungeon of the week.
I tank but can't raid because of limited raid spots
I miss Omen threat meter. The one within Details isn't very good. Is there a good threat meter out there?
Im dipping my toes into the water of tanking. For those that want to try but like me are a little anxious: there is a macro you can use to totally hide the chat window... Lol. Just do your run and ignore your group. Don't worry about what they think- if it goes south youll just get a group again in 10 seconds 😅
There may be a lack of tanks and healers in the endgame, but getting there is not easy.
Trying to find raid as a healer, every raid with 10+ dps already have 3-5 healers (and 2 tanks)
Doing Delves to gear up, if you dont want to go insane from the frustration you better change to another build.
Leaving normal dungeons for healers to get gear, 1:3 ratio with DPS and still almost instant and very little change to get above 600
It’s never perfect indeed 😔
Tank doesnt decide when combat starts.The hunter runnign ahead misdirecting multishotting everything is
I just started tanking, its stressful as hell, not even the combat just trying to learn the dungeons and how much to pull without pissing anyone off
I was tanking in WoD and Legion and the biggest downside to it was that I had to left my favorite class - shaman.
Blizz - pls give us some cool earth shaman tanking spec 🙏
I was tanking as a pally and it sucked so bad. I just swapped to ret and im having so much more fun, but holy shit waiting for a tank took soooooo long. Gotta level my DK so i can tank again now 😅
I Joined Wow in 2006 for raiding. Completely lived for it. ALL DPS and Heals used Threat meters to ensure we didn't pass the tank. Since Lich King, Raiding became a DPS show-off/Race. I watched player after player completely ignore mechanics to top out the DAMAGE meter. They pulled, died and blamed tanks and heals. Tanks wanna-bes would DPS-tank in their PVP gear and die, blaming Heals for not keeping them alive! And healers would become overwhelmed and start ignoring "unimportant raid members" to prioritize the tank. It all became just so toxic. So I retired my Pally & Warrior tanks although I still level them in Tank spec to keep my skills. I Retired my Holy Priest who I still level and my Druid.
This is the best time to play tank. Hardly anyone criticizes you because everyone’s extremely desperate for them. You will get some whiners, but it’s less than normal. As a tank you get instant delves, instant M+ with dungeon of your choice, and even easy raid slots if you PUG raid. And tanking raids is the easiest thing ever. A Mythic raid tank plays the game on easy mode while getting top tier rewards.
Glass half full
Too little, too late for me. It's good if most got "desperate" and stopped "criticizing," but that happened only just past my own breaking point. You kids have fun.
"Hardly anyone criticizes you because everyone’s extremely desperate for them. You will get some whiners, but it’s less than normal."
Instead you'll just get passive-aggressive pulling of mobs for you that causes wipes and people leaving early.
The old 'trinity' mindset really needs to come back, fundamentally that's the meta problem at hand here. If people respect the trinity then runs go smoothly, and everybody is happy (assuming everybody is also doing their own jobs well and not just trying to do other members jobs instead).
@@CosmicCleric you probably pull too slow. I never have that happen to me
@@Electric_ If you're tanking, and having a great time playing tank in the game as it is, that's awesome for you. Even better for you that the rest of us are opting out, right? By all means, enjoy!
I started tanking at the third season of DF. So far i've played around 60% tank and 40% DPS in TWW.
For those who have tanking anxiety because of routes. If you're not doing really high push keys. Use the routes of those 5 to 10min guide videos you can find from youtube. They're more than good enough unless you're doing super high push keys.
You can practice the routes in M0 since there is no timer. The jump from heroic to M0 is huge in terms of survivability so don't jump straight to M+ if you're new to tanking.
And those worrying about DPS pulling intentionally. Yes, this happens a lot in heroic and normal but not so much in mythic or mythic +. Because if they do it in mythic dungeons they die and stop doing it.
I think thats why i stopped tanking was because of that jump from the new mythic+ difficulty…i immediately felt squishy
wish tanks could pvp, blood dk aesthetics look so good and the prot warrior sword and shield looks badass, such a shame
I have been playing bear thank since Legion. I am so happy right now ;). Almost as happy as in Shadowlands Season 1.
Wait until you discover bears has no immunity vs crushing blows and how common they are in M+ keys 6 and up.
as main VDH since legion i can say tanking rn is not hard its painfull & rly rly not fun at all , i taking 1 hit form 30% of my hp whit ilvl 610 full enchant in +6 !!! i think the m+ rn need tuning in all dangeouns & i think this painfull experiance will be double for healers perspective for example i played whit shammy healer whit 1.1 m healing cant heal necrotic wake +5 3th boss!! , i dont wana be negative person i love VDH & i love wow but this is in another lvl of untunning they want to solve tank problame but now we cant even tank adds in tranical week this is awful
Ive been tanking for many years love to tank and see people get nice loots they been wanting to drop my problem tanking is the mentality of go go go go go. then you wipe , i mean its a never ending , no wonder no one wants to tank or heal and in TWW if i do tank it will be for friends only cause of the TOXICITY that comes with LFG
The fact this video exists, and needs to exist, is why there are no Tanks. I used to MT for my Raid guilds back in the day but M+ absolutely killed it for me.... even in guild or friend groups I hated it. A lot of it was due to the required trash percentage with routes changing weekly due to affixes while chasing the timer. Even today, we've had Raid Tanks who go DPS for keys.
" You´ll TANK me later"
GET OUT
this is bait, just play healer. Most of the benefits with way less responsibility (and still get to dps here and there). I stopped tanking because as a casual m+ player I just can't spend the time to keep up with routes and everything, and spending time refreshing when I don't play for a month (or deal with feeling like I am letting my group down). The tanks are expected to put in so much time before the dungeon even starts to figure out a decent route (not even considering optimizing routes). Knowing the key pack knowledge, and properly setting up your group to succeed with your positioning. As a healer you just need to vaguely know the main dmg dealing mechanics in a dungeon, and if you have enough gear you don't even need to know that much, after a few packs you'll learn what deals big damage and adjust. You don't need to know the route well ahead of time, just follow tank. The ILvl expectations of a healer are lower than tanks. Also as a healer you have more raid spots (if you decide to raid).
EDIT: On TOP of all this, it really feels like for S1 casual M+ is just for fun, since the gear it gives is way below rate in comparison to other options. I recently came back to the game and booted up a fresh character after the first week. 600 ilvl after a few days, most of the gear that propped up my ILvl came from non M+ content (delves, endgame quests, timewalking raid, pvp, and pvp crafts). With like 15k gold and around 3 hours or so of pvp you can get a few 606 ilvl r4 crafts, and a few 597 upgradeable bloody token pieces. M+ does not hold a candle to this. 8 T8 delves get you 3 616 vault options, and one 603 per coffer key. M+ is nowhere near this. If I only play M+ for fun and not gear, then much better to just play heals (since dps can't get into groups).
the speed of tww seems super slow, partially cuz finding a tank is a pain in the ass rn
GUYS i wanna tank just started TWW but what will be easier warrior protection or blood death night any advice i like um both .
Warrior is easier 😊
Theres no way i could play a pure dps class, because like you said you CANNOT get into a dungeon as dps in a reasonable time. Im thankful i have a great guild because id be exclusively tanking/healing otherwise
Yeah...no. Thanks but no thanks. I actually wanted to try tanking this expansion on my warrior-
But I mostly pug, and after running with people that get mad at the tanks for pulling too much, not enough, not fast enough, or knowing the routes on day one? Nope. Turned me against wanting to do it :(
And those same people complain why it's hard to find tanks- because the community is toxic, and they're not accommodating or willingly to give people a chance to learn. So I will stick to dpsing instead.
I think the big problem is the superficiality where everyone is following "tier lists" even though on low keys it's relatively indifferent. And high keys as someone noted here are frequented by 0.1% of people. Another cool thing is the "dmg/dps meters", where I don't even have aggro and dps are already going full dmg to avoid accidentally being a few numbers down in the meter and then just screaming "hey aggro, I'm dead". I play prot paladin and it's a lot of times pain where my HP is jumping up, down and I keep turning on all the def spells on CD and stacking "shining light" on instat heal all the time, god forbid when I run out of CDs I'm done.
I would love to tank but everytime i have a dps who thinks he needs to pull everything and so the fun is gone.😅 Give dps also in low content onehits and they maybe learn it. :/
Learn the dungeons on heroic. When you start doing m+ advertise "learning run" or "new people welcome". Tell people what to kick before you start. Always do your own key, build your own group. I rarely EVER meet toxic people this way and hardly ever fail a key
“You decide when the combat starts” yeaaaaaaaah that isn’t my experience so far. I had to quit tanking due to how toxic everyone is and pulling the dungeons ahead of me
I am pumping in delve thanks to being a tank. ProtW is awesome ❤
I’ve played on and off for over 18 years, always tanked. Recently came back after a couple of years, and find lfg is so toxic that I’ve started playing solo content and some dps.
I liked tanking in WoW, and well, in general.
However, when the balance mongrels wanted to force me out of the spec I liked into the ones I really disliked, all this exacerbated by the needs and wants of a mythic raiding guild. I just stopped, I still hold the line for my squishies, just not in Azeroth, never again in Azeroth
The spellcast change in dungeons really sucks... And i must say, i hate routing!
Brewmaster monk Stagger unique tanking style is SO fun I recommend everybody give it a try
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@@Mediiiicc how? its actually fun
I main tank and ive done that for 3 last expansions. I always push high keys and do mythic raiding. Raiding is fine and mythic+ keys are fun when you play with friends and if you are great player. But smallest misstake as a tank on a 10+ key you will die and cause a wipe and brick the key. Small mistake as pulling wrong pack, pulling to big, not having enough defensives up for next pack. Or just simply having no defensive up for 0.5 seconds you are dead. Tanking have never been harder than it is in this expansion. Its so damn unforgiving, i feel more sorry for the healers tho. I have 620 ilvl and 2.5k rating so far as a dh tank. The toxicity and elitism that is pulled out from people that is doing high end content like 10+ keys are crazy. I would like to say im a decent player, i know all routes on all dungeons. I do 9s with ease, but 10s are hard, not gonna lie.
I tried tanking. Can’t stand having to know every single route perfectly because green parsing dps and healers want to do mdi routes. Nope
I swapped to resto shaman for this exact reason years ago. Give the shaman a tank spec and we'll talk
I was a former main tank for the last two expansions and got annoyed from dps in high keys. So I stopped, got my mage back on and switch off my brain and just follow my tank in keys as any other usual wow player.
If you are thinking of playing wow right now? Dont! wait for season 2 and look to see if its got better.
I haven’t played in 14 years I would have to learn everything all over again.. I rather heal. Healing is fun for me
Even if there are no tanks. Im still in queue looking for party as prot pala for like 40min.
Am a tank, i do my route and i insult dps who dont interrupt or dps with lower than 1.4M in 10+ keys. If your ilvl is over 120, you should have 1.3M overall DPS without big pulls.
Hum so taking in WOW is different from FF14? You have to maintain aggro in WOW not like FF14 that you only push a button once and never lose it.
part of the reason i swapped back to demo lock is cuz packs always get moved out of rof lol
No healers? As a healer I don't agree! Somethimes I cant even find a mythic+ within 1minute
And now Grim Batol is introduced
Idk I just did a time walking dung on my bear and was full hp pulled the mods and dead ass got one shot just dropped dead completely kills tanking for me
Timewalking doesn't scale properly, do normal content :P
Yup, Timewalking scaling is not very good. Tanking heroic dungeons then M0 after you are more comfortable is the best path to learning.
Oh ok I've never really had an issue befor but I do miss tanking
@@MarcelianOnline but two runs per level!
Sounds like it was prob Shattered Halls.
Tanks for this :)
"It's gettin kinda hectic" - Tank
Tanks are fine. It's just gone back to tanks can't solo bosses and need healing so dps has to stay out of bad. Really the difficulty has only risen slightly. You have to use your tank abilities now instead of speccing pure dps.
the last two raids my guild did we had to pug a tank.. half my guild is dps or heals so some of us are learning how to tank. hence why im here. i do have some exerpiance tanking in wotlk and cata. which is funny conten was harder back then. i dont know why i dont tank now. it has nothing to with lack of skill.
Trying to sell tanking as "DPSing with extra cooldowns" xD
Tank DPS matters only at the very, very, very high end of things and even there it's not so much the DPS as it's game knowledge and CD usage.
Let's face it, the most frustrating part about tanking is joining the wrong groups. Just like myself and inviting that 1500MR Evoker healer that pushed an insane 200k HPS within a +6 key. Needless to say that we only lasted until the second pull (which is when I had no more CDs to stay alive and started looking at the meters).
The ONLY way to survive as a Tank is to make friends. It's really that simple. This whole mindset of "solo gameplay" is what killed WoW to begin with. So break the meta! Make friends. Have more fun.