I've said this so many times before. I think Shaman should have a 4th spec as Tank. This spec should have totems that call on an Elemental for a buff. Earth - bonus armour/stam, water - increased healing, Fire - increase damage/ that, and air - possibly a shield/bubble.
Having mained Lock in 11.0 and played mage as alt, I will turn it around and main mage. The difference in mobility between the two is just staggering. Modern raid design has so much movement requirement I feel like constantly fighting more with Locks limitations in that department than I focus on the boss.
my 2 mains are dev evoker and now bm monk, strange i know, but they're both sooooooo mobile it's hard to go back to more stationary specs once you're used to constant movement. especially if the movement is literally forced through your rotation like havoc
Main Warlock since Vanilla here: I will never stop saying that one of the specs should be totally reworked, or at least given the opportunity to ditch the whole "Limited mobility because I have a personal tank" DNA. I wish Affliction worked as a fast paced class with some sort of movement tricks, like a kind of shadowy illusionist.
@SonOfTheImam I have more than a few lines written on a comment could explain. Affliction for example is lazy work: dots could've been paired with low duration and low cooldown snares and movements, dropping the whole let's keep it like that because the demons tank.
1. tier lists should be based of FUN what class is most fun to play with a big warning sign above saying PERSONAL OPPINION 2. tier lists should be made around ease of use this fixes multiple things 1 being proc classes getting a huge rework so there viable always not just your class is shit unless you get a proc arcane /enhance are big ones there baseline dmg will be more of the focus and fixed also for a new player base who comes in and "meta" chases and sees oh enhance shaman is meta they jump in instantly overwhelmed by the button bloat but are made to feel like they are playing a lesser class if they play anything else 3. it should be the loudest message that you can play anything and finish all content in this game if these fixes are not done then blizzard themselves have 2 options 1. create a lfr like system for mythic plus tie every level of key up to 10s behind either rating or ilvl after 10s there is no benefit outside of just progging keys so there are fine to have it like now and pick there team but 10 and below keys tied to ilvl or raiderio score so that only people that can actual do that content can sign up the key is always random at the level you chose or you can chose a specific dung and level to sign up for in otherwords take the elitist option out of it take the option of refusal away from the community that these tier lists have made so toxic 2. conform every class and spec make every class have the same dmg/hps as the other same utility defensive's etc with the only difference being animations and there spells and utility etc have a unique true to lore appearance bring back the lore and class story through there ability and animations that should be the difference not how much dmg a class does it completely kills the elitist mentality across the entire game not just m+
Yeah, I have so many people say to me after jeez your damage was insane, I didn't know feral could do that much damage. However I also get kicked from groups when they see I'm a feral 😢
Could be centered but doesn't look like it because of paralax. Also, the shelf makes sense to minimize light through the window when they shoot in here during the day and show off advertisements or other stuff
My main this spec has largely been Mage as a Blood Elf Sunfury has just added such an aesthetic flair to my Mage that it's hard for me to jump on other stuff... I just hope Mage remains a desired class in later aspects of the expansion... and weirdly low key hope DH gets a third spec just so every class has at least 3 spec options :p
I'm a Shadow Priest main and am contemplating a switch. Looking mainly at Hunter - not sure on spec, or Shaman - Enh/Ele. Problem is I really want to face Xal'atath as an SPriest though... especially after Legion with the Black Blade.
Gotta wait to see what the sets look like to decide a main for the patch 😅 Plus I hear whisperings of a Tinker class in TLT 👀 gotta think about what class might best pick up mogs for them.
For years I played resto druid - I would love to go back. The whole class itself is so amazing. It's great to shape shift depending on your situation, you have various cds to push your group, but with TWW S1 I'm missing "that" feeling... it also felt bad to be always on low hps compared to other classes - especially early on in raids. In M+ it was not so smooth anymore, it's hard to explain :) Depending on class changes with S2, I'll stay with MW Monk or, if we get at some point a tank spec for Shaman, I could also see myself here (maining heal but off spec as tank).
Survival is amazing fun right now. The rotation just flows so well and every button feels unique. It handles moving out of melee for mechanics so well and every time I try to play something else, I just get disappointed.
I play quite a few different classes right now mostly pugging. I’ve found that getting into groups as an enhancement shaman is way easier than most classes. What I would love to go back to and main is slayer fury. It’s a lot of fun and I love high demand classes like outlaw, enhance and the old school fury. If they don’t address warrior a bit more I’ll likely go back to outlaw or enhance again.
Main UH Dk since 2009. I only change mains in pvp, because pvp is about knowing how to play and counter every spec. I have mastered my uh spec by playing it for the last 15 years. It feels rewarding to pump and proove people wrong by performing as a "not-meta" class during the years. Most of tier lists and log stats are made for high end players wich represent a small percentage of the player base who can master any spec and any playstyle. For a casual player, it isn't worth to jump into a meta spec you dont know about, when you already master your own spec. You will always pump more if you know your rotation, and know how to play your class rather than playing "meta" and not knowing what button you should press.
Main is a ww monk so getting into pugs for mplus has been time consuming…. Tried tanking on monk again and it was just okay but… pally feels so much better to play
Still gonna main my blood dk, and main alt my feral. Those 2 are my all time fav specs and doesn't matter how much they get gutted I'll still play them
changes wouldent matter there is not a single class or spec in this game that carnt do the highest of content in this game tier lists are just a way to get cheep views there seriously mean nothing unless your pushing 20 keys
Ive only had two mains throughout my time playing WoW. My Unholy Dk, and my current main, BM Hunter, since WoD. Dont see my switching away from my hunter anytime soon. Although, I do normally have my S priest, and destro lock as alts right behind hunter. I currently raid mythic on my hunter, but try to get a full heroic run on both alts. So if something crazy ever happened to hunter and it was unplayable I would pick either priest or lock to be new main.
yeah this is what I’m gonna do, currently mythic raiding with havoc DH, gonna play survival hunter until they do a big enough rework of havoc that it’s actually worth playing again
@lightandthesungod I went survival hunter and it fucking PUMPS. Easily does 500k more overall than my DH and at a lower ilvl. You're gonna have fun with survival.
@@trollonme I have actually been playing survival on the side already, and I’m up to about 600ilvl, and what I am noticing is FAR better single target performance, and exceptional consistency, dead spots really aren’t a thing with survival, and in combination with the utility, it’s absolutely awesome
@lightandthesungod you won't see 10m aoe DPS spikes like with havoc but you will see consistent 3-5m AOE dps on almost every pack. And easily outperforms single target of havoc. I did a dungeon yesterday on my havoc and didn't even break 1m overall (933k) @ 628 Ilvl, and I was playing my ass off. Did the same thing on my survival and did 400k more than the havoc (1.4m) @ 625 Ilvl without optimized gear 🤣🥴. Demon Hunter devs are smoking crack I swear.
@@trollonme yeah this is why I’m getting bored of demon hunter, the only fun in it is when you can pull off a big burst, and then the rest is just spamming 2 buttons for 40s until eyebeam is back up. Those devs certainly are smoking some weird shit 😭😭
I always main dps and at 11.1 will be > WW Monk and Warlock probably destro. I think about back to Havoc DH but doesn't look great and on top tier. What do you think about havoc?
I was excited for BM pack leader because I thought it could be like summoning more pets through other spells. Bummed me out and haven’t had that much fun. Would have been to summon pets like crazy after collecting and naming them after all the pets I have had and my parents had when they were growing up.
not going to change im a BM HUNTER ftw its been like that since day 1 when wow came out if hunter is dps is low or high it's on the ppl so ilove my hunter my alt is a dh love the vids you guys put out keep it up and ty
Looking forward to possible 11.1 rework to see if they cook any of the specs, but I have so much fun with my WW goblin I doubt I’ll be changing, but as an alt why not. Hope they make hero talents more fun for the WW, as now they are really meh. Counduit is amazing theme wise, but isn’t nowhere near fun to play with current tuning and they way some of the nodes work. Shado is turbo ass, but atleast it boosts dps somewhat good. Shaman is fun and if they fix gearing and m+ in 11.1 I am gonna alt it for pve with something else perhaps. And DK pvp because it feels so good to play themewise and is really fun in RBGs
DK has had a fall from grace since the start of the expac a few months ago, used to be the best and now its just not that great anymore. too many nerfs and not enough buffs to counter balance and you bet im still gonna main it because DK is cool and thats all that matters to me.
@@doublem7709 nope, their dps is bottom of the barrel now in alot of situations. Frost has TERRIBLE single target dps and unholy just kinda has dps problems across the board, unholy is fantastic at AOE burst cleave but nothing else. Blood is great until you get to high M+ like 12s and higher and then they just kinda dont have the mitigations to survive hits anymore, cant heal back all that damage if you die in 1 hit.
I'm staying on my unholy Death Knight even though I'm not good with it but I love it. the speed is just right for me.and i can always change to tank if i really have to because there is no tank there
My problem is I play too many specs, i have a hard time deciding ever. Dk is my first love but i tend to not enjoy melee much in raids. Should I power through and do a season as melee in all content since dk is my favorite for most things, or should I go elemental or shadow priest as a ranged that i know i enjoy in raids
I will never be anything other than a priest. I have rage quit and deleted my main twice since 2004, but I come back when I've calmed down and make another one.
I've been trying to main arms warrior all of season 1, and I just can't make it work. I did gear my survival Hunter up to 620 ilvl and I'm honestly better at playing it, so I think transitioning back to it as my main is the way to go. Just sucks because I really tried so hard to make warrior work for me. But I love survival so I guess it'll work out in the end.
Although im dedicating more time to the game now, i decided my Main is going to be ret paladin. I play other games when i get bored of wow and so be able to play a class that i can kind of just jump into that isnt super complicated is my speed. Plus given the direction storywise we're going i feel like a Blood Elf Paladin makes alot of sense. my only thing is i wish i chose ret in DF instead of shaman so i couldve had a chance at getting the Legendary axe T^T now im going to have to wait until the raid is soloable
i hope for Afflication rework , the spaming of MR is just not good, just check the data , why do they keep destroying specs? if you try to add smth new to the spec and your data telling you otherwise so why force it?
I've mained druid balance since the beginning of time but I do feel that it's more squishy now than before I do also play my lock and I gota say I did always love a lock so I'm not sure if I should swap to a lock even that I do love my druid to bits. Then there comes the character achievements which my druid had 23k+ alone total achievements is higher and it's mainly because of the achievements that's holding me back to not main my lock might be me being picky duno haha
Hi, i noticed when you casted atonement on your priest a square shows up around the frames. Could you or someone point me in the right direction for this. Looks so easy and better visual than only the icon.
Yeah it’s a tough choice. Been loving my ele shaman, but want to try something else too. Def some melee class, but idk what. Maybe survival hunter. Love the whole hunter lore. Def going to level a mage because they always get love from blizzard. Fire is mad fun class. I usually don’t do melee classes and I find them not that fun sadly. What’s the most fun melee class? And please don’t say warrior, that is too boring lol
I ended up maining bm hunter i love playing bm hunter. I started tww with ret pally then moved to shaman before the 20th annoversay patch. And once the 20th anniversary patch came. I bounced from toon to too. Couldnt figure out who to main. Ultimately i lvled a warr, a dk, a monk, a rogue, paladin and a shaman to lvl 80, my dh lvl 79 but ehh, and druid lvl 72, but then lvled my hunter to 80 and i enjoy my hunter grew him to 606 ilvl so far
Unless they give second shadow crash and/or bring mind sear back to spriest I will not play it. It is beyond stupid that your aoe damage is completely at mercy of a 20 second cooldown.
I'm Retribution till I die, but i've been spending alot of time on my warrior alts. I have one arms and one single minded fury. lol i know i know, but its fun
BM/MM once again cause its the only spec I'm good enough at to keep up with the mates I play with lol i keep trying other specs at but i always end up frustrated at myself so i've made a pact always main hunter and then alt other things i want to try for fun
I am for frost rider, the main reason is that this is what is the most fun for me people shoul realize that meta chasiing is bs, this is a game which should be played for fun
I love Druid fantasy just wish it got a little love in each spec. Tank is cool, easy, but feels boring. Balance is cool but needs too much work to pump the same numbers as some other dps. Same with feral. Besides feral just feels like it’s missing something to help its identity/ class fantasy. I feel like breaking away from combo points aka rogue and giving them a fresh new feeling kind of like how monks have combo points but feel nothing like a rogue.
DH in s1 is completely ridiculous, pushing buttons like a maniac, rotating, and moving like crazy monkey and still behind in every DPS Definitely gonna change main for s2 Leave DH untill a real rework is the best for all of us DH players
Im now a ret pala main but thinking to to swap to frost/unholy dk or but im not sure thinking of trying out tanking with a prot war/pally or Brew monk bc i realy like the idea of monk but since is the hartest tank so idk yet
hello new player here do you think better go as DPS I have narrowed down my choices to Unholy DK, Retri Pal or Demon Hunter? I want do dungeon, normal content sometimes maybe raid and do some solo stuff also i try only main 1-2 char max becouse i hate have too many characters
Ret paladin is pretty simple and just does a ton of damage you essentially just pump out damage with a couple of buttons very solo friendly as well cause you have healing spells if things get dicey plus you have a tank and healing spec if you ever decide to branch out
I feel like there is no point to picking mains anymore. They made it so easy to just swap around, the fun of a main is gone now ;( thsts what gave this gsme depth.
I think there’s leagues of difference between someone who has trained to optimise their rotation and dedicated themselves to their main than someone who swaps around chars a lot tbh
Can you think of any reason why Blizzard hates DH and has us neglected? Leaving that aside, I don't know if it's just me getting old, but I've lost a lot of taste for the vast majority of WoW classes for various reasons that vary between mechanical, visual and fantasy, I think there's more chance that I'll stop playing, even if it's just for a while, than that I'll change main.
You guys deserve it. Yall were busted (very busted) in pvp. Your damage was also near top tier or top tier for every season in df. Then, there's the tank that was by far the most broken tank in the games history. Remained like that for 2 seasons. You guys can sit it out for a couple seasons.
Outlaw rogue just need a little buff to be in reach with assa. Not that high dmg isn’t possible but the malus when you drop the very random rota became of movement, is a problem. But it’s so much fun when it’s works.
We need more support specs. Why we can't get like Captains for Warriors? Infuse people with banners, shouts or something. It would be very cool class fantasy. Make a Betrayer or some shit spec for DH, make it debuff enemies, give temporary Demon powers to your party. There is so much that blizzard can do, but yet we have a fucking Razer cross promotion.
Yeah make an auction house class can buy shit with 90% discount. Oh make a Class that can TP the Entire Raid on short distances, why run and dodge shit when u can have a Ryze. Oh and make a class that allows u to tame Every creature of the game why would you be limites by beasts ?
ooh yeah and a druid that injects you with nature steroids, ooh and a hunter that injects you with beast steroids, ooh and a shaman that injects you with spirit steroids im so glad you guys arent in charge of the class fantasy aspect, no offense
Which one xD? They are very good at interrupting each other lol - Usually Flame gets interrupted the most though. I guess it's just their dynamic because.. well as said they both do it all the time.
Shaman absolutely should have an earth element based tank spec
I've said this so many times before. I think Shaman should have a 4th spec as Tank. This spec should have totems that call on an Elemental for a buff. Earth - bonus armour/stam, water - increased healing, Fire - increase damage/ that, and air - possibly a shield/bubble.
I also want a black dragon flight dracthyr tank spec
@@smithjus000 What Aug should of been, not a 1 type of a support spec that been meta since it came out.
@ truth
I’ve wanted shaman tank since vanilla. Was such a crapshoot alliance had paladin and our shamans didn’t have a tank
Outlaw is awesome if it didn’t entirely focus around using vanish in your opener. Feels awful to me lol
reason why I dont play mine, had a blast with it in BFA, dropped it in Shadowlands, but DF they so much gutted him with vanish being a must.
Vanish was always sketchy as a DPS cooldown
@ it wouldn’t be so bad if you could opt out of the vanish part… but you lose like half your dps.. maybe more lol
Iono I love spamming BTE
@@termintot4645 it was very fun in shadowlands. A million times better than now
honestly these videos make me so happy. I don't have time to play anymore, but thank you for thoughtful conversational videos like this one.
Having mained Lock in 11.0 and played mage as alt, I will turn it around and main mage. The difference in mobility between the two is just staggering. Modern raid design has so much movement requirement I feel like constantly fighting more with Locks limitations in that department than I focus on the boss.
my 2 mains are dev evoker and now bm monk, strange i know, but they're both sooooooo mobile it's hard to go back to more stationary specs once you're used to constant movement. especially if the movement is literally forced through your rotation like havoc
Main Warlock since Vanilla here: I will never stop saying that one of the specs should be totally reworked, or at least given the opportunity to ditch the whole "Limited mobility because I have a personal tank" DNA.
I wish Affliction worked as a fast paced class with some sort of movement tricks, like a kind of shadowy illusionist.
@@tomclark637illusionist o god no… you have zero fantasy my guy.
@SonOfTheImam I have more than a few lines written on a comment could explain.
Affliction for example is lazy work: dots could've been paired with low duration and low cooldown snares and movements, dropping the whole let's keep it like that because the demons tank.
To add to it, feral actually does decent dps if you know what you’re doing, but we need a ridiculous buff so that way we get invited to pugs lol.
Yea it does seem like the spotlight is needed hard or nothing happens
1. tier lists should be based of FUN what class is most fun to play with a big warning sign above saying PERSONAL OPPINION
2. tier lists should be made around ease of use this fixes multiple things 1 being proc classes getting a huge rework so there viable always not just your class is shit unless you get a proc arcane /enhance are big ones there baseline dmg will be more of the focus and fixed also for a new player base who comes in and "meta" chases and sees oh enhance shaman is meta they jump in instantly overwhelmed by the button bloat but are made to feel like they are playing a lesser class if they play anything else
3. it should be the loudest message that you can play anything and finish all content in this game
if these fixes are not done then blizzard themselves have 2 options
1. create a lfr like system for mythic plus tie every level of key up to 10s behind either rating or ilvl after 10s there is no benefit outside of just progging keys so there are fine to have it like now and pick there team but 10 and below keys tied to ilvl or raiderio score so that only people that can actual do that content can sign up the key is always random at the level you chose or you can chose a specific dung and level to sign up for in otherwords take the elitist option out of it take the option of refusal away from the community that these tier lists have made so toxic
2. conform every class and spec make every class have the same dmg/hps as the other same utility defensive's etc with the only difference being animations and there spells and utility etc have a unique true to lore appearance bring back the lore and class story through there ability and animations that should be the difference not how much dmg a class does it completely kills the elitist mentality across the entire game not just m+
Yeah, I have so many people say to me after jeez your damage was insane, I didn't know feral could do that much damage. However I also get kicked from groups when they see I'm a feral 😢
@ all the time!! It’s so dumb! But then I wouldn’t want to get embarrassed by feral either 😎
I love feral but I just want my 2k from M+, get my mount and unsub until next patch.
I dont like augumentation but like the idea of buffing class. It would be sooo nice to have more class choice for that.
+1 to this. I at least want to explore the idea of a 4th role, even if it's not officialized.
I rly want a Bard /Musicclass :) which can play music in cities e.g.
That shelf in front of the window bothers me, but with it also not being centered, it would really make me crazy if I had to live with it.
Could be centered but doesn't look like it because of paralax. Also, the shelf makes sense to minimize light through the window when they shoot in here during the day and show off advertisements or other stuff
My main this spec has largely been Mage as a Blood Elf Sunfury has just added such an aesthetic flair to my Mage that it's hard for me to jump on other stuff... I just hope Mage remains a desired class in later aspects of the expansion... and weirdly low key hope DH gets a third spec just so every class has at least 3 spec options :p
dw mage is blizz fav kid
I'm a Shadow Priest main and am contemplating a switch. Looking mainly at Hunter - not sure on spec, or Shaman - Enh/Ele. Problem is I really want to face Xal'atath as an SPriest though... especially after Legion with the Black Blade.
I don't care what happens with the buffs, reworks, etc. I will be a Death Knight always and forever.
Good for you and I am a druid for life!
@UkiSkywalker that's the spirit
players like you keep the specs alive! feral forever :D
My main is my goblin outlaw rogue. I’m very excited to see what awesome ideas and loot we get from the undermine.
Gotta wait to see what the sets look like to decide a main for the patch 😅
Plus I hear whisperings of a Tinker class in TLT 👀 gotta think about what class might best pick up mogs for them.
fashionfreak
@borandomanic7971 True & real
What about Bard class? How you know they will add Tinker?
I just switched to Survival Hunter (from a Mage) and I’m having an absolute blast. I plan to continue with it going forward :)
augmentation evoker is pretty fun to play. i also really like outlaw rogue a lot. so much fun. druid is a strong class and has possibility for fun
Marcelian with the "once you go Rogue you never go back" energy
Been BM hunter main since Legion, and the other week I tried out survival for the first time.. I am going survival in s2 for sure :)
For years I played resto druid - I would love to go back. The whole class itself is so amazing. It's great to shape shift depending on your situation, you have various cds to push your group, but with TWW S1 I'm missing "that" feeling... it also felt bad to be always on low hps compared to other classes - especially early on in raids. In M+ it was not so smooth anymore, it's hard to explain :)
Depending on class changes with S2, I'll stay with MW Monk or, if we get at some point a tank spec for Shaman, I could also see myself here (maining heal but off spec as tank).
I play tank. I just notice whenever I have a druid healer it always feels like I am on my own to stay alive.
@theheebs100 I can understand your feeling, it's like heal druids are missing their impact. They are in a strange state right now...
I'm 100% swapping to Brewmaster. There's wow on hardmode, and then there's Brew. Looking forward to a 3k climb as the least desired tank in the game.
Good luck 🎉
Survival is amazing fun right now. The rotation just flows so well and every button feels unique. It handles moving out of melee for mechanics so well and every time I try to play something else, I just get disappointed.
I play quite a few different classes right now mostly pugging. I’ve found that getting into groups as an enhancement shaman is way easier than most classes.
What I would love to go back to and main is slayer fury. It’s a lot of fun and I love high demand classes like outlaw, enhance and the old school fury. If they don’t address warrior a bit more I’ll likely go back to outlaw or enhance again.
Survival (tools and gadgets) or BM could definitely pull off a tank spec.
Main UH Dk since 2009. I only change mains in pvp, because pvp is about knowing how to play and counter every spec.
I have mastered my uh spec by playing it for the last 15 years. It feels rewarding to pump and proove people wrong by performing as a "not-meta" class during the years.
Most of tier lists and log stats are made for high end players wich represent a small percentage of the player base who can master any spec and any playstyle. For a casual player, it isn't worth to jump into a meta spec you dont know about, when you already master your own spec. You will always pump more if you know your rotation, and know how to play your class rather than playing "meta" and not knowing what button you should press.
unholy no mobility and you're probably gonna have to go san layn in 11.1 bc of the new tier set.
Im a boomie main, it's rough to be soo bad in raid and know that there is a 0% chance of buffs bc M+ is so good on a boomie.
M+ is the way to go as always an boomie are on top
Honestly considering hopping back on my Havoc Demon Hunter. No Mover getting buffed and Auto Glaive Throw from S3 Dragon FLight, yes please.
Main is a ww monk so getting into pugs for mplus has been time consuming…. Tried tanking on monk again and it was just okay but… pally feels so much better to play
Did anyone else notice at 0:06 that monks or DK aren't there?
Still gonna main my blood dk, and main alt my feral. Those 2 are my all time fav specs and doesn't matter how much they get gutted I'll still play them
leveling a frost DK as I listen to this. I'm liking it, hopefully there aren't any changes like you guys say.
changes wouldent matter there is not a single class or spec in this game that carnt do the highest of content in this game tier lists are just a way to get cheep views there seriously mean nothing unless your pushing 20 keys
Ive only had two mains throughout my time playing WoW. My Unholy Dk, and my current main, BM Hunter, since WoD. Dont see my switching away from my hunter anytime soon. Although, I do normally have my S priest, and destro lock as alts right behind hunter. I currently raid mythic on my hunter, but try to get a full heroic run on both alts. So if something crazy ever happened to hunter and it was unplayable I would pick either priest or lock to be new main.
Me whos played Prot Pally for the last 12 years: No I don't think I will
Once a Paladin always a Paladin!
If you play havoc DH, yes, absolutely change, until blizzard fixes it
yeah this is what I’m gonna do, currently mythic raiding with havoc DH, gonna play survival hunter until they do a big enough rework of havoc that it’s actually worth playing again
@lightandthesungod I went survival hunter and it fucking PUMPS. Easily does 500k more overall than my DH and at a lower ilvl. You're gonna have fun with survival.
@@trollonme I have actually been playing survival on the side already, and I’m up to about 600ilvl, and what I am noticing is FAR better single target performance, and exceptional consistency, dead spots really aren’t a thing with survival, and in combination with the utility, it’s absolutely awesome
@lightandthesungod you won't see 10m aoe DPS spikes like with havoc but you will see consistent 3-5m AOE dps on almost every pack. And easily outperforms single target of havoc. I did a dungeon yesterday on my havoc and didn't even break 1m overall (933k) @ 628 Ilvl, and I was playing my ass off. Did the same thing on my survival and did 400k more than the havoc (1.4m) @ 625 Ilvl without optimized gear 🤣🥴. Demon Hunter devs are smoking crack I swear.
@@trollonme yeah this is why I’m getting bored of demon hunter, the only fun in it is when you can pull off a big burst, and then the rest is just spamming 2 buttons for 40s until eyebeam is back up. Those devs certainly are smoking some weird shit 😭😭
I always main dps and at 11.1 will be > WW Monk and Warlock probably destro. I think about back to Havoc DH but doesn't look great and on top tier. What do you think about havoc?
dps mains got no right to talk bro, start talkig when u play the game
Finally someone with same tastes. It's a tough life out there for us Monk/ Lock mains but hang on!
@@Shiva-zn4nzbruh im monk tank 2936k rio 😂
I was excited for BM pack leader because I thought it could be like summoning more pets through other spells. Bummed me out and haven’t had that much fun. Would have been to summon pets like crazy after collecting and naming them after all the pets I have had and my parents had when they were growing up.
not going to change im a BM HUNTER ftw its been like that since day 1 when wow came out if hunter is dps is low or high it's on the ppl so ilove my hunter my alt is a dh love the vids you guys put out keep it up and ty
Don't care what anybody says, I'm changing to rogue just for that badass tier set in undermine(d)
Looking forward to possible 11.1 rework to see if they cook any of the specs, but I have so much fun with my WW goblin I doubt I’ll be changing, but as an alt why not. Hope they make hero talents more fun for the WW, as now they are really meh. Counduit is amazing theme wise, but isn’t nowhere near fun to play with current tuning and they way some of the nodes work. Shado is turbo ass, but atleast it boosts dps somewhat good. Shaman is fun and if they fix gearing and m+ in 11.1 I am gonna alt it for pve with something else perhaps. And DK pvp because it feels so good to play themewise and is really fun in RBGs
DK has had a fall from grace since the start of the expac a few months ago, used to be the best and now its just not that great anymore. too many nerfs and not enough buffs to counter balance and you bet im still gonna main it because DK is cool and thats all that matters to me.
What are you talking about?? Dks are s tier.
Thats how it should be playing what people like. Instead of meta noobs
I think they're badass for M+ because you can just ignore certain annoying mechanics with deaths advance, anti magic shield, and lich borne
@@doublem7709 nope, their dps is bottom of the barrel now in alot of situations. Frost has TERRIBLE single target dps and unholy just kinda has dps problems across the board, unholy is fantastic at AOE burst cleave but nothing else. Blood is great until you get to high M+ like 12s and higher and then they just kinda dont have the mitigations to survive hits anymore, cant heal back all that damage if you die in 1 hit.
@ The reason i play DK lol. I just dont die
Fire finally got some love, need another fire season! 🔥 🔥 🔥
Warr for life, don't care how bad they make it 😅
I'd love to see Warrs get A BL
I'm staying on my unholy Death Knight even though I'm not good with it but I love it. the speed is just right for me.and i can always change to tank if i really have to because there is no tank there
Have your raid group do some alt runs so that someone else can tank next tier. That way they would be all geared up and ready to go
I went from melee to frost fire mage and man is fire fun
I've been trying out Survival and it is so fun.
My problem is I play too many specs, i have a hard time deciding ever. Dk is my first love but i tend to not enjoy melee much in raids. Should I power through and do a season as melee in all content since dk is my favorite for most things, or should I go elemental or shadow priest as a ranged that i know i enjoy in raids
I will never be anything other than a priest. I have rage quit and deleted my main twice since 2004, but I come back when I've calmed down and make another one.
I've been maining prot warrior in TWW along side with blood DK. But not sure if I'll continue the prot warrior. No idea what to main next
Whatcha think best class to dps raid and tank keys? (No pally)
I've been trying to main arms warrior all of season 1, and I just can't make it work. I did gear my survival Hunter up to 620 ilvl and I'm honestly better at playing it, so I think transitioning back to it as my main is the way to go. Just sucks because I really tried so hard to make warrior work for me. But I love survival so I guess it'll work out in the end.
Thinking survival or elemental, maybe shadow if they get some changes in 11.1
Holding my breath to see if they will do some changes to healing/tanks and make healing fun again, otherwise I am just going to continue with my mage.
I'm prolly gonna stick to playing ret paladin, but if I do decide to change I'll prolly play a demo warlock.
Until now as unholy, never seen my damage below frost dk in myth dungeon😂
Although im dedicating more time to the game now, i decided my Main is going to be ret paladin. I play other games when i get bored of wow and so be able to play a class that i can kind of just jump into that isnt super complicated is my speed. Plus given the direction storywise we're going i feel like a Blood Elf Paladin makes alot of sense. my only thing is i wish i chose ret in DF instead of shaman so i couldve had a chance at getting the Legendary axe T^T now im going to have to wait until the raid is soloable
The axe is personal loot. You don't need to roll on it. I got it again on my new earthen paladin just recently. You won't need to roll on it.
Current main is feral, season 2 I’m planning on playing a dps spec that gets invited to m+ groups
im constanly running +8/+10 keys with my feral. Feral is quite strong atm
Not hard to get into keys as feral. Some of you fellers just like to cry.
i hope they can make augmentation easier…
Or introduce a new tank…
Isn't Aug like one of the simplest specs in the game?
i beg you tell me your trolling ?
Aug is turbo easy
The only spec I can think of easier than augmentation is beast mastery.
How about polishing the current tanks first before introducing a new one.. half of them are in a poor state.
i hope for Afflication rework , the spaming of MR is just not good, just check the data , why do they keep destroying specs? if you try to add smth new to the spec and your data telling you otherwise so why force it?
I've mained druid balance since the beginning of time but I do feel that it's more squishy now than before I do also play my lock and I gota say I did always love a lock so I'm not sure if I should swap to a lock even that I do love my druid to bits. Then there comes the character achievements which my druid had 23k+ alone total achievements is higher and it's mainly because of the achievements that's holding me back to not main my lock might be me being picky duno haha
Hi, i noticed when you casted atonement on your priest a square shows up around the frames. Could you or someone point me in the right direction for this. Looks so easy and better visual than only the icon.
I found this one 'Atonement Raid Frames - Imported by Someone#3190' and it's the closest I could find. :)
wago / 6_-IXLTtU
"moms Spaghetti" HAHAHAHA
haha thats a clip of my outlaw rogue at the start thanks guys!!
We need another tank class !
Yeah it’s a tough choice. Been loving my ele shaman, but want to try something else too. Def some melee class, but idk what. Maybe survival hunter. Love the whole hunter lore. Def going to level a mage because they always get love from blizzard. Fire is mad fun class. I usually don’t do melee classes and I find them not that fun sadly. What’s the most fun melee class? And please don’t say warrior, that is too boring lol
I ended up maining bm hunter i love playing bm hunter. I started tww with ret pally then moved to shaman before the 20th annoversay patch. And once the 20th anniversary patch came. I bounced from toon to too. Couldnt figure out who to main. Ultimately i lvled a warr, a dk, a monk, a rogue, paladin and a shaman to lvl 80, my dh lvl 79 but ehh, and druid lvl 72, but then lvled my hunter to 80 and i enjoy my hunter grew him to 606 ilvl so far
never been playing rogue since forever and at least 1 spec will be always be viable but alter im gonna go this time for rogue 2.0 wich is feral
Enh Shamman were BORN ti be Tanks !!! Mail tank!
Unless they give second shadow crash and/or bring mind sear back to spriest I will not play it. It is beyond stupid that your aoe damage is completely at mercy of a 20 second cooldown.
Shamans just need a nerf. Period.
I'm Retribution till I die, but i've been spending alot of time on my warrior alts. I have one arms and one single minded fury. lol i know i know, but its fun
BM/MM once again cause its the only spec I'm good enough at to keep up with the mates I play with lol
i keep trying other specs at but i always end up frustrated at myself so i've made a pact always main hunter and then alt other things i want to try for fun
Staying with Unholy DK no matter what. Has been my favorite version of DK ever this season.
I am for frost rider, the main reason is that this is what is the most fun for me
people shoul realize that meta chasiing is bs, this is a game which should be played for fun
I love Druid fantasy just wish it got a little love in each spec. Tank is cool, easy, but feels boring. Balance is cool but needs too much work to pump the same numbers as some other dps. Same with feral. Besides feral just feels like it’s missing something to help its identity/ class fantasy. I feel like breaking away from combo points aka rogue and giving them a fresh new feeling kind of like how monks have combo points but feel nothing like a rogue.
DH in s1 is completely ridiculous, pushing buttons like a maniac, rotating, and moving like crazy monkey and still behind in every DPS
Definitely gonna change main for s2
Leave DH untill a real rework is the best for all of us DH players
Oh no poor havoc with one of the easiest rotations in the game is bad for once
@@riddert4966what’s your main?
@@FNESSE prot pala atm. Mained brewmaster 5 seasons straight in the past.
Im now a ret pala main but thinking to to swap to frost/unholy dk or but im not sure thinking of trying out tanking with a prot war/pally or Brew monk bc i realy like the idea of monk but since is the hartest tank so idk yet
I always come back to Boomkin so I will just stick to it
I’m definitely swapping, demon hunter is not my thing, especially for tank.
Can you timestamp your videos guys? Would help a lot
Nice video.
I hope buff Ret Paladin dmg 🙏🏻
Restro druid we're coming back! Nvm what ppl say!
PoE2 For me atm. Havent logged in wow for 10 days..i just got bored. Still look forward for season 2😊
is arms war any good?
im doing amazing with it doing big numbers
Nope been Mistweaver for 6 years and will continue.
hello new player here do you think better go as DPS I have narrowed down my choices to Unholy DK, Retri Pal or Demon Hunter? I want do dungeon, normal content sometimes maybe raid and do some solo stuff also i try only main 1-2 char max becouse i hate have too many characters
Ret paladin is pretty simple and just does a ton of damage you essentially just pump out damage with a couple of buttons very solo friendly as well cause you have healing spells if things get dicey plus you have a tank and healing spec if you ever decide to branch out
play what you want cause things get buffed and nerfed so fast it mind blowing
If i stay as healer for my guild ill stick to my hpaly. If not ill go with my this seasons alt, aff lock
Melee no good, increase range please
I played off meta for a season, no reason to stop now
The classes change on the tier lists every season.
Yes that's normal considering tier set bonuses, which we don't know yet.
once survival always survival
I feel like there is no point to picking mains anymore. They made it so easy to just swap around, the fun of a main is gone now ;( thsts what gave this gsme depth.
I think there’s leagues of difference between someone who has trained to optimise their rotation and dedicated themselves to their main than someone who swaps around chars a lot tbh
No....Flame said he wants the same main through the full trilogy xpacs. Mage it is.....unless....he goes back to his best spec being a BM Hunter lol
Can you think of any reason why Blizzard hates DH and has us neglected? Leaving that aside, I don't know if it's just me getting old, but I've lost a lot of taste for the vast majority of WoW classes for various reasons that vary between mechanical, visual and fantasy, I think there's more chance that I'll stop playing, even if it's just for a while, than that I'll change main.
You guys deserve it. Yall were busted (very busted) in pvp. Your damage was also near top tier or top tier for every season in df. Then, there's the tank that was by far the most broken tank in the games history. Remained like that for 2 seasons. You guys can sit it out for a couple seasons.
i am mage main from full dragonflight and now and kepe going with the same
Slinky Lizard lovers unite! 🦎
Not sure u can call it ur main if you keep changing it every major patch
Nope for better or for worse Shadow is my main
Outlaw rogue just need a little buff to be in reach with assa. Not that high dmg isn’t possible but the malus when you drop the very random rota became of movement, is a problem.
But it’s so much fun when it’s works.
We need more support specs. Why we can't get like Captains for Warriors? Infuse people with banners, shouts or something. It would be very cool class fantasy. Make a Betrayer or some shit spec for DH, make it debuff enemies, give temporary Demon powers to your party. There is so much that blizzard can do, but yet we have a fucking Razer cross promotion.
make warriors commanders. you put down commander's standard and it gives main stat in a circle and other banner/flag things for crit like augs.
Yeah make an auction house class can buy shit with 90% discount. Oh make a Class that can TP the Entire Raid on short distances, why run and dodge shit when u can have a Ryze. Oh and make a class that allows u to tame Every creature of the game why would you be limites by beasts ?
@@rengarlothbrok5696 Are you off your meds?
@@rengarlothbrok5696what a strawman lol
ooh yeah and a druid that injects you with nature steroids, ooh and a hunter that injects you with beast steroids, ooh and a shaman that injects you with spirit steroids
im so glad you guys arent in charge of the class fantasy aspect, no offense
No, I don't wanna do noodle damage and stay in m+ queue for 2 hours 🤣
DAMN NO WHY!
why would you ask him to open the segment if youre just gonna interrupt him?
Which one xD? They are very good at interrupting each other lol - Usually Flame gets interrupted the most though. I guess it's just their dynamic because.. well as said they both do it all the time.