Don't forget prot pally has a lot of interrupts via avenger's shield and you can help your healer out with some big protection/healing CDs. Massive utility that's very pug friendly.
The pug value for prot pally should not be overlooked. The interrupts will be huge with the new stop behavior as well. As a healer I would much rather have a protnoally I need to heal but who is mitigating huge party damage with interrupts than the other way around. The other utility is big too (blessings, etc. This coming from someone who is in the 12-14 3k range. Higher keys are different of course
Agreed, if you are going to PUG to 2500+ rating, Prot Paladin is the way. You can compensate for the crappy 3rd DPS in the group, pull a garbage healer over the finish line and do 90% of the interrupts and mechanics by yourself.
Guardian’s simplicity is a strength, allowing you to focus on mechanics and still stay above 80% before even needing to press Frenzied Regeneration or instant Regrowths (which heal other party members for a LOT). It can deal great damage, has a lot of built-in damage reductions, the talent tree allows you to adjust damage profiles to be arcane or physical, and you can really choose how complicated your rotation will be
I've always felt like Prot Paladin was easier to learn than Prot Warrior. Warrior seems simpler on paper, but in execution, there is a lot of frantic button pushing 😁
Being a player who both plays FFXIV and WoW on and off, I really appreciate your videos. Been leveling a protection warrior and just hit level cap last night, so I'm looking to gear up and try some content and this helps me feel a bit more confident stepping into tanking in WoW. I can do it in my sleep in FFXIV, I'm hoping the general experience helps me. haha
I also tank in both games and I’d say that tanking in FF is significantly easier than tanking in wow. ESPECIALLY if you main warrior in FF (i main warrior in FF)
The best skill you can develop as a new tank is learning to use your classes full tool-kit and getting better at preemptive vs reactionary actions. As a Blood DK, you take a lot of front loaded damage, so running into a big pack with a trinket or cooldown will make that initial mob gathering less painful. Blood DK is more of a reactionary tank. You take big hits while building up Runic Power for healing back the damage. Think of Runic Power as a second health bar.
Also, it can be a tank that gets punished hard. Don't have 100% shield block because you didn't play well/pick talents properly? You're getting wrecked. Face your back to mobs? You're getting wrecked than any other tank taking hits from behind.
Oh yea. Thunderclap is a cooldown. Shieldslam is a cooldown. Revenge shares resource with IP and IP is best bound on mousewheel. Fuck thats not even worth a footnote in comparison to guardian druid's apm blasting. Youre gonna annihilate your raze keybind.
@@polkhigh_33 shield slam as well as thunderclap with hero talent and revenge can all reset/be free of cost (which they do regularly) so you're stuck coordinating these buttons while spamming them. While I haven't played guardian druid in tww and it might be hugely apm-heavy, warrior is absolutely not to be underestimated especially with IP and shield block being off the gcd. It can be a very intense experience, regardless of what the other spec plays like.
This video gave me courage to try tanking for the first time. Playing paladin. It's really fun and much easier than i thought it would be, i can interrupt so much and help group in many ways. Using only DBM and your nameplates. Thanks and goodbye long queues!
lol I wasn’t aware that the only two classes I’ve used to tank are the hardest . Blood DK is so fun and rewarding. I actually miss the old rune system when we also had Obliterate.
I'd like to add something to Blood DK. You said "the more damage you took recently,...". Blizzard kind of nerfed Deathstrike, so it only takes one event in the last 5 seconds, which means the highest income in the last 5 seconds. It isnt like in the past where you would sometimes press DS 2 times in a row in some situations, because now the second Deathstrike only would do the minimum amount not the highest from all sources in the past 5 seconds. If you told that in the video, i maybe missed it, but thats something people need to get used to and have to take into account.
is this true? because it isn't reflected in the tooltip EDIT: WoWhead says: if the first hit was higher than the minimum, the calculation window starts fresh. meaning the second one within 5s is likely to give munimum. the first one still seems to value all damge of the last 5s. correct me if that should be wrong. this would mean that you don't have to worry about saving runepower for two deathstrikes and get more value wif you space them a bit wich seems easier to me.
only thing keeping me from playing guard druid is that it gets really boring to look at a bear that never really change 24/7. especially as a new player with no different skins
Word of glory is similar to death strike in the way it heals but in this case according to health level. It is almost like a short CD lay on hands. For a pugging beginner world of Glory should actually take priority over shield of rightneousness if your health is low. As you push to harder difficulties then SoR should take priority. But again WoG and kiting should take priority and a defensive CD if your healer is overwhelmed.
This is the first expansion I've played since original cataclysm.. I chose Blood DK as my main. It is a lot to maintain, but there's a flow and it just makes sense in my head. It has a high ceiling but I have a ton of fun with it.
I have been tanking for some years and in this expansion I tried BDK in higher content for the first time. It is by far the most complicated tank. So many things to keep track of. Starting the first pull of the dungeon is always scary as you don't have any runic power or boneshields (later i learn that then its when you use dancing runing weapon lol, so get some free stacks of boneshield before the first pack). All those things you don't need to do with any other tanks. They are way more simple.
I started WoW as a brand new player (S3 DF, April) with a blood DK. I did slow progression by only questing (took a couple of weeks) because I knew WoW had a crazy learning curve. I have now cleared 2/3 awakened raids on Heroic and a few early bosses on Mythic. While I would like extra mobility, it's been incredibly rewarding and I'm looking forward to my first expansion. Shoutout to your Blood DK guide for helping me learn the rotation. I will disagree with 15:11, DK gets Purgatory, which is a second chance if you make a mistake and run through somewhere you shouldn't have (it has saved me from causing a wipe numerous times).
Playing DH, BDK, bear and prot pala I must say the pala is king of PUGs. But DH is still king when it comes to big pulls, not just getting them all in control but also surviving. (having all dungeons on +10 in time, tyrannical and fortified).
As long as there is an enemy, as a DH, you will most probably survive, and this will be easier than as a BDK because you might spare some soul fragments you can pick up later.
@@Aikicyoaz Depends on what you play currently as a tank or maybe as a melee dps class. So, if you play a tank such as a DBK or a melee to plan your resources carefully, playing a DH tank should be too difficult for you. But I played Prot Pala for years before, and it took me a while to get used to the DH tank. So, switching might be a good idea if you are already familiar with the content and can concentrate more on the rotation. Also, choose a more defensive skill at the beginning, especially the cheat death option, because, as a DH, you can easily be killed if making an error, especially at the beginning of a pull. This one is very tanky BUkAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkEhEhkQSCJkolEJRLJEJIi0SSaSikQCAAAAIJBA
Dear hivemind, I wanna give prot warrior another chance. I was a top 1% M+ tank in season 1 and 2 in Dragonflight and I tried all the tanks (not getting 1% with every tank ofc), but warrior never really clicked for me. Especially in tyrannical weeks on hard hitting bosses I felt VERY helpless. I was rage starved from only attack one mob (the boss) and having to spam ignore pain while keeping shield block up. Every 7 seconds a shield slam and every 5 seconds a thunder clap doesn't really generate much rage. Is feeling helpless just part of the prot warriors life at some point? Should I embrace it and blame the healer? Or can I magically pull more rage out of my ass?
@@jurgenbuntinx1 Yeah I mean guardian druid is known as being the easy tank forever yet in the video it's not even closed to easiest on Quazii's ranking.
It doesnt matter which you pick. The one you enjoy, you will stick with and master it. So much of tanking is knowing what to pull and when, which in my opinion is the biggest mental strain that one has to learn to handle and not stress about.
The most important thing is how you feel about the class yourself. You may develop a natural feeling for not-so-easy class and perform worse on the easier one. Happens to me sometimes.
a Note for Word of glory for Prot pally, faith in the Light gives you 30% block chance when ever you use Word of Glory.. so Ratation spend 3HP on SOTR than 3HP on WOG, get big armour and 30% block and you're healing urself too
Honest question to those of you that bind spells on Mouse Wheel up and down, do you not zoom in and out while playing ? I find my self zooming constantly for the POV, sometimes if you dont zoom in you cant see shit
zoom is mouse wheel with modifier. Binding on the wheel is especially funnny when it fits the ability for example forward to charge or backwards to grip. I tend to put interrupts on it becaus eI can reach it relativley quick and safe
Yeah I zoom a lot while playing as well but I have my camera zoom binded as alt mouse wheel while I have interrupts / potions binded to normal/shift mouse wheel. It's one of the most convenient keybinds you can have honestly. Makes getting those abilities / potions instant.
what isnt mentioned are the ability for crowd controll. Personally I find dk, if you understand the basics and start slow, it is good because your boneshield doesn't go away after 5sec like other mitigation and you have more taunts. The timing of deathstrike isn't that important on lower diffculty.
Great video. I’ve been maining BDK during DF and would like to learn a second tank. Now to decide between Warrior or Paladin. Looking forward to the detailed guides
I play druid, a "friend" always looks down on me saying guardian is easy, but he cant do a higher lvl cause he gets one shot every time (with every tank), he was called origami bear (good name btw). So, master tanking, like u said is completly different then easy to learn - and i normally can do same content with all tanks..
Your 'friend' is a very silly boy. From tanking 7 bogstrok with no ability that could hit more than 3 foes to learning cat dps burst for heroic spine tendrils there's plenty of difficulty for guardians. Bears are cute and fuzzy, and that's why other tanks get jealous of them.
I'm likely to have tank off spec this time around, just because pugging as dps can get painful towards the end of each season when numbers start dropping, especially if the dps spec being mained doesn't end up being meta etc. That said, as I'm planning on maining Unholy DK, casually dropping into Blood Tanking towards the end of the expansion could be tricky. Especially as by that point, I'll likely have decent gear etc, but lack the tanking experience to jump straight into tanking the same key levels I have been dpsing - which in turn also skews learning, as naturally one decides to start tanking in lower keys to give a bit more leeway, but then you're just carried by your gear and don't always get a grasp of what is or isn't dangerous lol
I started tanking for the first time in season 4 DF. I chose Blood DK... My god I wish I had this video before I started tanking! XD I had such a hard time that I don't plan on tanking for a while, got my 2,500 achievement and all my portals though! :P
@@akxeros5895 Well even though I got 2,500 rating, I still feel like I am really bad at it. I had so many failed runs even at the end and throughout my whole experience I had so many people tell me that I was trash or just that they hated me, so now I just think the same. I did so much research but peoples reaction towards me didn't change. For you I would say start of as a DPS so you know the pug routes, players hat not knowing what you will pull even if it's the perfect amount of trash mobs you kill. also I'm sure it's better if you start of at the beginning when everyone sucks a little. And from there, just make sure your skin is as tough as the tank you are playing! :D Good luck and have fun, if tanking for you is fun, then go for it!
@@d.j.9739 ty for your answer :) well I ignore other people that hate around. I just want to play in my less time that I have as a tank to find own m+ groups. Its hard to find as dps a group. Would you still pick DK as a tank if you could go back and change? or would you pick another tank?
@@akxeros5895 Not a problem. =) It's hard to say, I picked Blood DK for this seasons set look and to help a friend with his main which is a Blood DK. If neither of these are a factor and I'm set on playing a tank then I would go with what's easiest, Druid. But now Blood DK is the easiest for me because that is the only tank I played, so going forward if I had to play a tank I would pick that.
Just out of curiosity though I Have both a prot war and prot pally. Used both in dragonflight all 4 seasons. Which do you feel is going to be better to play in TWW mainly in the sense that I won’t be getting angry/raging to quit everyone keys fail to dying so much due to the massive tank nerfs all tanks received and the reliability on a good healer to heal correctly. Also since the messed up/wonky paladin hero talent specs. Please some solid direct advice on which would be better to main as in the new expansion would be greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work and great content.
Prot warrior while they'll be more reliant on healers to keep them alive since they have no self heals they're incredibly tanky and got a pretty big damage buff like 30% only downside is they don't have good magic mitigation only spell reflect and spell block so...
I really love your videos the format and the deatil, this expansion I really wanted to try out DPS for first time to shed the responsibility of having to download MDT profiles and learn the routes and pack counts.. Would you ever consider creating simmilar tierlist for DPS too? I know you mainly tank but I literally can't find DPS content creator that does it as good as you.
I have played all tanks at top 1% and i'm surprised prot pala is not one of the hardest to play. If you don't play around consecration, you are dead. If you fuck up you cd's (one of your 6-7 defensives), you are dead. If you heal too much, you run oom and die. If you do not keep your armor stacks up, you die. If you spend your holy power at the wrong time, you die. I guess prot paladin is easy to get started with, but is considerably harder to play effeciently at higher key levels. VDH is so much easier to play. You can even spec into a decent build where you can have your spikes up permanently. Just use it whenever it's ready and you can literally walk through the dungeon without pressing anything else.
I agree. Though I guess most dont push high levels enough for it to be as punishing. Same as brew imo, easier to get into for tww, but higher skillcap.
@@MC-wd5ko played all tanks at around 3500io last 3 seasons , and i find prot paladin one of the easiest , outside vdh that is just too op , brew is hardest by a big margin atleast for me
Man says right at the start "This is not for top% players, just for new tanks looking to cap vault at highest ilvl", so way more room for those mistakes you outlined in Prot Pala.
@@rhyshodgetts9681 true, but I think that can be said about most of the tanks. No tank is really hard to play if you just walk trough content that doesn't requires you to play the class. I'm not even talking about top% players, SotR, conc and cycling cd's properly is a pretty important part about palas, that you need to learn pretty early on. imho. That doesn't mean you can't get boosted.
@@shockshow9823 I guess it depends on season you played, but last season prot pala would just get oneshot in so many keys. There were so many mechanics, where you needed to have SotR up, stand in conc and some times even double stack defensives. As VDH, you just fel dev and laugh.
I agree on DK being the hardest to master , but I don't agree on DH being the second hardest :D I think Brewmaster is way harder than DH to master in tanking , with DH you basically have 3 main things going on , keeping demon spikes , fiery brand , and jungling your meta CD with Fel Devastation that's about all you have to worry about as a starting DH , as a starting brewmaster you often fuck up the stagger purify that's like the one and only toolkit you have to survive properly that's it , if you are new you will often get way more dmg than you need to , putting a lot of stress on the healer. Also for guardian , while being the easiest to learn , it is still the middle of the pack while being in the pug world cause of reliance of cooldowns and leech mechanics , in the pug world the easiest tank to learn is warrior , the only mechanics you have to learn is mitigate damage and you pretty much have a 3-5 buttons rotation.
I may be wrong but AFAIK Shield of the Righteous is off GCD for prot as well but not for heal. Had some issues with macros with my pally so im at least pretty sure it was like that at a certain point of time...
so guys I need your help. I did not played since begin DF and never tanked before.. I want to give it a try now. I struggle between BDK and Bear and almost every video saying diffrent things about what is easier or better for a beginner. I just want to play "for fun" no hard pushing. I know most people would say play what you like but that is not what my brain wants to hear.. :D
@@jeankirchstein2552 Thats true for literally every single tank in the game right now. Actually guardian is one of the more complex specs in that regard, since you have offensive fury spenders for ST and AOE in the form of maul and raze, besides maintaining two dots and using mangle procs efficiently.
@@rudy1999 that’s fair, it’s terribly inefficient but I’ve seen tanks macro shield block and ignore pain into everything and do fine early. It just doesn’t teach you if youre planning to dance
Number one most important skill in tanking is situational awareness. What everyone in your group is doing, where they are, where the mobs are, what is aggro'd, to who, and also why.
I’m playing a Prot Warrior but I’m trying to figure out what to change to next season Spent all of Dragonflight being from groups because of my class ):
Just use an addon like bartender or elvui to set keybinds and then hover over the ability and do mousewheel up and the other ability mousewheel down. Your can bind your camera zoom to something else in the game keybind settings. For me its shift mouse up and down for camera zoom.
As a veteran tank I mostly agree. And if some one ask me what they shuld pic for there 1st tank I will actoaly gona recommend blood dk. True is not the esyest however it teaches you importance of cooldowns. I don't agree that they are hard because of having 2 resources but because is very important to have good CD management. As for worst beginner tank I will suggest brew masters. They are teaching new players aloot of bad habits and if you are looking to reroll to another tank you will have bad time
I've mained Gaurdian Druid since BFA. Its my favorite tank. I love my werebear forms. Got all of them except the one from the World Boss in Dragonflight. I totally skipped the expansion. I might comeback for War within
@Quazii WoW thanks for your videos....but can u check your > This #1 WoW Macro is a PVE GAME CHANGER < video ? the macro doesnt work anymore since the prepatch :(
I only play brew, blood and vengeance but I think brew is way more complex. Telling new players that brewmaster is middle of the pack difficulty is wild, especially with the state they're in right now.
Only thing you're missing in your prot paladin section - it is beginner friendly for surviving, but it is very not beginner friendly when playing it to it's max as it is a very group versatility tank. Good tank to learn how to be more aware of what's happening outside of just your character, plus it's fun saving people with your off heals or your blessings, a big lay on hands which can be used as a defensive cd or party cd. Edit: love your summary section touching on this
well I just started leveling my occasional alt DK tank from 70 to 80 and imported some tank spec for dungeons and while I was reading through the guide, talents and abilities I was like WTF? it looks hard as f*** so I googled this video and now I switched to warrior, goodbye DK
It’s very important for protection warriors to keep ignore pain up constantly. Not only for damage intake, but to ensure Battle-Scarred Veteran doesn’t proc until it’s needed. Revenge is only useful for spreading deep wounds & resetting Shield Slam.
If this was a hardest to master ranking I'd absolutely agree with it. Okay lets say agree for the most part, ppal really doesnt have a lot of skill ceiling going on unlike pwar and guardian. However, with the purpose in mind of getting a fresh tank starter to cap his vault with as little learning as possible, both BDK and VDH are literally the top choices. Why? As long as you follow one simple rule - dont get in naked and rp/fury starved looking for back scratches - youre literally unkillable, 100% self-sustaining and can play recklessly offensive in a +10 since zero cooldown and resource management is involved. VDH complexity ramps up drastically as soon as the key level and your comp require you to use your gigantic CC portfolio, while with BDK things get spicy as soon as physicals can global you through your mitigation baseline. Both is not gonna happen in a +10, even if youre severly undergeared.
@@KungKokkos that used to be the Case until the end of DF season 3. Ever since season 4 its +10, due to the new scaling making keys roughly 10 levels harder than before.
@@polkhigh_33 Oh, I see. Well, either way, it's TWW now, and it doesnt look like tanks will just swoop in and tank half the dungeon while selfsustaining anymore
Honestly, just go for it. Switch over to tank spec and just start playing everything in tank spec. You'll get the feel for everything then just jump into dungeons. Try the cookie cutter tank builds, see what you like and don't like and go from there. The agro circle on the DH is huge and spirit bomb is just incredible. 4 shards and bomb, blag the rest until you figure it out. It's pretty simple and your able to survive some crazy stuff. It's just so much fun and you have so much mobility and range, it just makes tanking easy.
11:25 I decided to use my lvl 70 pre-order boost on a Monk for Brewmaster, specifically. And that button bloat is REAL. And it’s not even that it’s buttons where you’d be like “oh, hey this might come in handy” like Prot Pally. No, it’s all stuff that has great utility but there’s way too much of it. All good points you’re making, Mr Quazii!
The good thing for Monk is, that your standard attacks, your standard rotation, it doesn't really matter that much what skill you press or in what order. There's some synergy, but not it's not like a warrior where you use revenge just one time too much and suddenly you're rage starved and can't use shield block or ignore pain - or paladin, where you have clear "generators" and "spenders" even with a choice how to spend your holy power.
Prot Paladin is the hardest to play for a newcomer by far, but when you really get it it’s in many ways the easiest. You have a lot of healing you can distribute to the group, major utility for yourself and others, and high DPS potential for a tank. Prot Paladin is for the player who will embrace having many keybinds and use the whole utility package, including BoS and BoP. And they’re rewarded if they can master it.
Never really understood bdk being hard. I always find it super braindead. Maintain boneshield and deathstrike when you take damage very rarely pay attention to runic power. I guess playing other tanks and knowing when damage is coming so you know preemtively that you will need to deathstrike/cd helps.
i started WoW with vengeance DH, i got quite decent even, becoming top 10-20% M+ on the server. Nice to hear that it wasnt just the class. i thought then i just got there cause it was OP ^^
Great video! I wouldn't change order but personally the gap between prot pally and prot war is much bigger, pwar is really dumb easy to play and prot pally is decently hard with the plentiful of blessings and wog/sotr economy with consec management. But that also just could be me playing ppal for way too long and pwar feeling dumb af in comparison. Especially when TWW launches and people get to max level the difference will be a bit bigger too as pwar is staying at same level of dumb(you just spam thunder clap a bit more) while ppal is getting new ally buff or another layer of Can i spend holy power on this(hammer of light) instead of sotr. But 100% bdk/vdh are easiest to screw up a pull and die on.
i was surprised when you said blood dk was on the harder side. to be fair, idk much about mythic+. blood dk was always so strong because death strike not only heals you but thanks to mastery, death strike also gives a shield based on the restored health. i don't even really track anything, i just know what ability gives me the required rune power to keep hitting death strike. it's more like i faceroll on the keyboard than actually managing my resources. well, thanks to raegwyns old videos i even started to play blood in the first place and so i have way more experience on staying alive solo than actually tanking multiple enemies for my group, so...
Vengence Demon Hunter is so hard. I struggle to remember the two buttons I'm constantly pressing while tanking. Sometimes when I get in a bind I have to remember the other three buttons for my defensives and mitigation. I don't know how I manage. I'm thinking Vengence DH should be on the other end of Prot nearer to Palidian who have more migitagtion/defensives the DH. Not to mention to two charages of essentially Heroic Leap on faster cooldowns that allow them to just choose where they want to be at any moment making dodging a breeze. If ask me the list goes easiest: Vengence DH, Prot Paladin, Bear, Prot Warrior, Blood DK, and Brewmaster. Saying you have to pop a defensive before the big pool is like verbally admitting that the biggest difficulty with Vengence is remembering you have to pop before pull. Seems simple enough if ask me and certainly easier than managing stagger, squishness, defensives, mitigation, and stunning with leg sweep all at the same time just to stay alive! Vengence 5 button tanking has got nothing on the 12+ button convoluted differed damage juggle.
If I cat napped in the middle of Vengence DH tanking I'd probably still be alive when I woke up and just migitate right back up. If I cat nap in brew master I'd be at death's door about to pay my differed taxes.
Warriors are just plain boring to play, will always be the best beginner tank to learn. I wish there was more to it than there is, I always drop mine half way through an expansion cuz it’s just not interesting. Atleast prot paladins u can goof around and be a semi healer lol.. and higher levels they get Hard to master.
Mastering brew and bdk are probably the hardest but respectfully disagree about BDK being hardest to pick up for beginners. Unless we have a different definition of a beginner tank, I think bdk has been the second easiest tank to play for a long time unless you're pushing high. Having pugged probably 2k+ keys during DF the tanks that fail the most in low keys have been whatever the meta tank is and prot warrior.
I find VDH and Brew WAY harder than Blood DK personally. Blood dk just plant D&D, spam blood boil on CD, switch between death strike and vampiric strike, use vampiric blood if you’re in trouble. Keep blood shield stacks up with other abilities Spam all other CDs like Abom limb, dancing rune weapon, etc when they come up at the start of a pull VDH requires kiting, stops, sigils Brew has so many buttons I get overwhelmed and always feel like I’m dying
i like that while explaining how to play bdk, you explain 6 different things that require timing and good understanding of the spec as well as the pulls you do, and say they are easy :P this video is for beginner tanks, not players who have played blood dk for the past 12 years and want to try something new, blood dk is absolutely the hardest tank, no doubt about it.
It's a really big difference on how is BDK in M+ based on difficulty. I'd say that tanking in low keys (maybe until 12-13 or so) it's one of the easiest and chill tanks to play. You don't care about healer you can do everything yourself. But when going to push more on high keys it tends to be a lot more difficult: resource management, 1 shots and proper cd manangement is crucial to stay alive, especially when you don't want to kite ever 2 mobs around cause you insta die. At least from my experience on higher keys you either get a really good BDK or a really bad one, didn't really find something between :)
I think it's a bit misleading to rank tanks from easy to hard, because the difficulty is different for "learning" to play or "mastering" to play. The DK for example is probably the easiest tank to learn with how much self-sustain he has. Very forgiving overall, even if you don't have your mitigation or def CDs up, you can just heal yourself. Playing DK in high keys on the other hand is a constant reaction time check with how bouncy your HP bar is. Being one if not the least tanky tank also doesn't help in every other regard in high keys. Monk on the other hand is hard to learn, but once you understand stagger (and get a WA) it's fairly easy to play in my opinion. He has enough def CDs to make your life easier and it's not THAT important which attack you press as long as you press something. Paladin is also easy to learn. Maybe not as easy as DK, but it's straight forward and you have good selfheal. Mastering on the other hand can be tricky. Chosing between a (self)heal and your mitigation always feels bad. Having to stand in you consecration also feels bad. Keeping an eye on your team to support them with blessings and heals while trying to survive a high key, feels like playing a healer on hard mode.
Don’t fully agree with this. Brew should probably be the hardest, not Blood. Brew has severe button bloat and so many things to pay attention to. Blood can be intimidating to get into, but once you understand it, it’s really not that bad.
@@filipepaivazoega3669 Honestly, yes. And thats only true for pushing beyond 15. In the 10-15 range going higher than 2-3 stacks - maybe 4 for rare giga pulls outside of major cds - is already a huge waste most of the time since you can easily outheal the incoming damage while blasting with razes and mauls to manage threat and speed up the key. If Raze is not your #1 damage ability by a fair distance, youre very likely playing too defensively for no reason.
@@filipepaivazoega3669 1) The low key card? Nice try, I'm on page 1 of the top io guardians. You? 2) What Quazii and apparently you as well dont know is: The stacks and therefore armor gains through iron fur are not capped. However, your maximum physical DR is, at 85%. Considering youre endgame geared for the season, you'll reach the 85% cap against a 3 level higher elite boss at 5 or 6 stacks. If you dont believe me, feel free to take that topic to Dreamgrove, all the theorycrafters and highio players will confirm this. 3) The damage gain through thorns of iron is evenly distributed and square root scales beyond the 4th stack, so dont even try, it doesnt justify overstacking as well. 4) The art of tanking is and has always been to find the sweet spot in mitigation, selfsustain and throughput. Its funny that you mention 'keep playing like you only do low keys'. Because the higher you go, the more offensive you literally have to play. For one, because the timer forces you, any additional dps matters. And two, the higher you go, the better performing your dps mates will be, forcing you to keep up with the threat. Which is especially true for prepatch with classes like Frost DKs and Furywarriors easily ripping threat worth of 1million+ tank dps. I'm a regular high tier booster at Nova, and if I see you mindlessly stacking furs while my dps toon is getting pummeled from AA leashers, youre gonna 100% get the smoke for tank malperformance.
@@xxOutkastedxx Exactly this. Healers are sooo butthurt about their healing done all the time. The best healers only heals as much as the group requires and aside from that, help with beating the timer by prioritizing dps and cc.
![BLACK BAG - Official Trailer [HD] - Only in Theaters March 14](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Du0Xp8WX_7I/mqdefault.jpg)
Don't forget prot pally has a lot of interrupts via avenger's shield and you can help your healer out with some big protection/healing CDs. Massive utility that's very pug friendly.
The pug value for prot pally should not be overlooked. The interrupts will be huge with the new stop behavior as well.
As a healer I would much rather have a protnoally I need to heal but who is mitigating huge party damage with interrupts than the other way around.
The other utility is big too (blessings, etc.
This coming from someone who is in the 12-14 3k range. Higher keys are different of course
Paladin Tanks are the God of Pug Groups.
Agreed, if you are going to PUG to 2500+ rating, Prot Paladin is the way. You can compensate for the crappy 3rd DPS in the group, pull a garbage healer over the finish line and do 90% of the interrupts and mechanics by yourself.
yep, i agree, stun, shield, rebuke for interrupts is clutch + all those defensives and self healing.
Guardian’s simplicity is a strength, allowing you to focus on mechanics and still stay above 80% before even needing to press Frenzied Regeneration or instant Regrowths (which heal other party members for a LOT). It can deal great damage, has a lot of built-in damage reductions, the talent tree allows you to adjust damage profiles to be arcane or physical, and you can really choose how complicated your rotation will be
I've always felt like Prot Paladin was easier to learn than Prot Warrior. Warrior seems simpler on paper, but in execution, there is a lot of frantic button pushing 😁
One button macro using GSE is the answer. lol. Search it on RUclips.
Definitely is high for apm
Being a player who both plays FFXIV and WoW on and off, I really appreciate your videos. Been leveling a protection warrior and just hit level cap last night, so I'm looking to gear up and try some content and this helps me feel a bit more confident stepping into tanking in WoW. I can do it in my sleep in FFXIV, I'm hoping the general experience helps me. haha
I also tank in both games and I’d say that tanking in FF is significantly easier than tanking in wow. ESPECIALLY if you main warrior in FF (i main warrior in FF)
The best skill you can develop as a new tank is learning to use your classes full tool-kit and getting better at preemptive vs reactionary actions.
As a Blood DK, you take a lot of front loaded damage, so running into a big pack with a trinket or cooldown will make that initial mob gathering less painful.
Blood DK is more of a reactionary tank. You take big hits while building up Runic Power for healing back the damage. Think of Runic Power as a second health bar.
Thank you for this video🎉🎉. I started tanking Prot pally in dragon-flight. Your videos have helped immensely
Prot warrior may be easy to play, but it is not for the weak of wrist. The APM on those 3-4 buttons can make you sore. Lol
One of my main easy button sinks is scroll wheel up and down, and alt, cntrl, shift modifiers
Also, it can be a tank that gets punished hard. Don't have 100% shield block because you didn't play well/pick talents properly? You're getting wrecked. Face your back to mobs? You're getting wrecked than any other tank taking hits from behind.
Oh yea. Thunderclap is a cooldown. Shieldslam is a cooldown. Revenge shares resource with IP and IP is best bound on mousewheel. Fuck thats not even worth a footnote in comparison to guardian druid's apm blasting. Youre gonna annihilate your raze keybind.
If you get an MMO mouse it’s really simplistic, easiest tank by far and effortless to hit everything needed.
@@polkhigh_33 shield slam as well as thunderclap with hero talent and revenge can all reset/be free of cost (which they do regularly) so you're stuck coordinating these buttons while spamming them.
While I haven't played guardian druid in tww and it might be hugely apm-heavy, warrior is absolutely not to be underestimated especially with IP and shield block being off the gcd.
It can be a very intense experience, regardless of what the other spec plays like.
This video gave me courage to try tanking for the first time. Playing paladin. It's really fun and much easier than i thought it would be, i can interrupt so much and help group in many ways. Using only DBM and your nameplates. Thanks and goodbye long queues!
lol I wasn’t aware that the only two classes I’ve used to tank are the hardest . Blood DK is so fun and rewarding. I actually miss the old rune system when we also had Obliterate.
I'd like to add something to Blood DK. You said "the more damage you took recently,...". Blizzard kind of nerfed Deathstrike, so it only takes one event in the last 5 seconds, which means the highest income in the last 5 seconds. It isnt like in the past where you would sometimes press DS 2 times in a row in some situations, because now the second Deathstrike only would do the minimum amount not the highest from all sources in the past 5 seconds.
If you told that in the video, i maybe missed it, but thats something people need to get used to and have to take into account.
is this true? because it isn't reflected in the tooltip EDIT: WoWhead says: if the first hit was higher than the minimum, the calculation window starts fresh. meaning the second one within 5s is likely to give munimum. the first one still seems to value all damge of the last 5s. correct me if that should be wrong. this would mean that you don't have to worry about saving runepower for two deathstrikes and get more value wif you space them a bit wich seems easier to me.
Tanks a lot.
This is the most detailed video I've seen on this topic.
only thing keeping me from playing guard druid is that it gets really boring to look at a bear that never really change 24/7. especially as a new player with no different skins
Word of glory is similar to death strike in the way it heals but in this case according to health level. It is almost like a short CD lay on hands. For a pugging beginner world of Glory should actually take priority over shield of rightneousness if your health is low. As you push to harder difficulties then SoR should take priority. But again WoG and kiting should take priority and a defensive CD if your healer is overwhelmed.
Guardian Druid is where it’s at. Let me be a giant dinosaur tank (zandalari troll) and ravage my enemies. It’s gonna be SO GOOD.
This is the first expansion I've played since original cataclysm.. I chose Blood DK as my main. It is a lot to maintain, but there's a flow and it just makes sense in my head. It has a high ceiling but I have a ton of fun with it.
I have been tanking for some years and in this expansion I tried BDK in higher content for the first time. It is by far the most complicated tank. So many things to keep track of. Starting the first pull of the dungeon is always scary as you don't have any runic power or boneshields (later i learn that then its when you use dancing runing weapon lol, so get some free stacks of boneshield before the first pack). All those things you don't need to do with any other tanks. They are way more simple.
I started WoW as a brand new player (S3 DF, April) with a blood DK. I did slow progression by only questing (took a couple of weeks) because I knew WoW had a crazy learning curve. I have now cleared 2/3 awakened raids on Heroic and a few early bosses on Mythic. While I would like extra mobility, it's been incredibly rewarding and I'm looking forward to my first expansion. Shoutout to your Blood DK guide for helping me learn the rotation.
I will disagree with 15:11, DK gets Purgatory, which is a second chance if you make a mistake and run through somewhere you shouldn't have (it has saved me from causing a wipe numerous times).
DK players are carried
Playing DH, BDK, bear and prot pala I must say the pala is king of PUGs. But DH is still king when it comes to big pulls, not just getting them all in control but also surviving. (having all dungeons on +10 in time, tyrannical and fortified).
As long as there is an enemy, as a DH, you will most probably survive, and this will be easier than as a BDK because you might spare some soul fragments you can pick up later.
@@Jo-Jo8vshmmm I never really played dh tank... is it a weird spec to play?
@@Aikicyoaz Depends on what you play currently as a tank or maybe as a melee dps class. So, if you play a tank such as a DBK or a melee to plan your resources carefully, playing a DH tank should be too difficult for you. But I played Prot Pala for years before, and it took me a while to get used to the DH tank. So, switching might be a good idea if you are already familiar with the content and can concentrate more on the rotation. Also, choose a more defensive skill at the beginning, especially the cheat death option, because, as a DH, you can easily be killed if making an error, especially at the beginning of a pull.
This one is very tanky BUkAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkEhEhkQSCJkolEJRLJEJIi0SSaSikQCAAAAIJBA
@@Jo-Jo8vs ohhh I see. I play prot paly when I tank. Seems like less wiggle room for errors than other tanks?
Dear hivemind,
I wanna give prot warrior another chance. I was a top 1% M+ tank in season 1 and 2 in Dragonflight and I tried all the tanks (not getting 1% with every tank ofc), but warrior never really clicked for me. Especially in tyrannical weeks on hard hitting bosses I felt VERY helpless. I was rage starved from only attack one mob (the boss) and having to spam ignore pain while keeping shield block up. Every 7 seconds a shield slam and every 5 seconds a thunder clap doesn't really generate much rage.
Is feeling helpless just part of the prot warriors life at some point? Should I embrace it and blame the healer? Or can I magically pull more rage out of my ass?
And I'm planning to go tank main for the first time this expansion, and I'm picking Brew lol. Haven't started the video yet.
Dont listen to these youtube videos claiming a class is easy... prev time they said paladins are hard and paladins were doing 1 tank 4 dps....
brew is great, but expect to be more reliant on the healer than other tanks, should be fine though, have fun!
@@jurgenbuntinx1 Yeah I mean guardian druid is known as being the easy tank forever yet in the video it's not even closed to easiest on Quazii's ranking.
It doesnt matter which you pick. The one you enjoy, you will stick with and master it. So much of tanking is knowing what to pull and when, which in my opinion is the biggest mental strain that one has to learn to handle and not stress about.
The most important thing is how you feel about the class yourself. You may develop a natural feeling for not-so-easy class and perform worse on the easier one. Happens to me sometimes.
Thanks Quazii. Love your vidz!
Playing tank for the first time this xpack. Vengeance DH is fun so far
a Note for Word of glory for Prot pally, faith in the Light gives you 30% block chance when ever you use Word of Glory.. so Ratation spend 3HP on SOTR than 3HP on WOG, get big armour and 30% block and you're healing urself too
Honest question to those of you that bind spells on Mouse Wheel up and down, do you not zoom in and out while playing ? I find my self zooming constantly for the POV, sometimes if you dont zoom in you cant see shit
I use zoom with alt wheel and normal wheel For charge forward and defensive
zoom is mouse wheel with modifier. Binding on the wheel is especially funnny when it fits the ability for example forward to charge or backwards to grip. I tend to put interrupts on it becaus eI can reach it relativley quick and safe
Yeah I zoom a lot while playing as well but I have my camera zoom binded as alt mouse wheel while I have interrupts / potions binded to normal/shift mouse wheel. It's one of the most convenient keybinds you can have honestly. Makes getting those abilities / potions instant.
Pali is great fun and simple. Easiest tank ever. You feel kinda understandable 😊
Thanks for this helpful video..I have all of these Tanks and u nailed it. The Guardian and pally are my favorites..
Great content! Thnx for all the info
BDK was the most rewarding tank
@@dei_stroyer Still is
Always love your videos. Thank you for always posting content that keeps me up to date with wow. (Also makes me better)
what is the add-on that makes your curser glow and have a trail? I really need that!
what isnt mentioned are the ability for crowd controll. Personally I find dk, if you understand the basics and start slow, it is good because your boneshield doesn't go away after 5sec like other mitigation and you have more taunts. The timing of deathstrike isn't that important on lower diffculty.
What is the week aura that you use for your paladin?
Great video. I’ve been maining BDK during DF and would like to learn a second tank. Now to decide between Warrior or Paladin. Looking forward to the detailed guides
I like it one of the cons of bear tanking mentioned is transmog. As i always say to my party a good transmog translate to output. 🤣
100% Transmog = +20% DPS
I play druid, a "friend" always looks down on me saying guardian is easy, but he cant do a higher lvl cause he gets one shot every time (with every tank), he was called origami bear (good name btw). So, master tanking, like u said is completly different then easy to learn - and i normally can do same content with all tanks..
Your 'friend' is a very silly boy.
From tanking 7 bogstrok with no ability that could hit more than 3 foes to learning cat dps burst for heroic spine tendrils there's plenty of difficulty for guardians. Bears are cute and fuzzy, and that's why other tanks get jealous of them.
great I picked the hardest tank to learn for my first time as a main tank lol
I don't usually comment but the shield block and ignore pain keybind is the same for me since MoP :D
It'd be interesting to get a list on most fun/Rewarding
Even as a main pally, you know a class is good when he has to fish for Xmog as a downside, i always wanted to try bear
Quazii, seeing fodder to the flame spawn for the DH during your prot paladin footage was traumatic. Haha.
I'm likely to have tank off spec this time around, just because pugging as dps can get painful towards the end of each season when numbers start dropping, especially if the dps spec being mained doesn't end up being meta etc.
That said, as I'm planning on maining Unholy DK, casually dropping into Blood Tanking towards the end of the expansion could be tricky. Especially as by that point, I'll likely have decent gear etc, but lack the tanking experience to jump straight into tanking the same key levels I have been dpsing - which in turn also skews learning, as naturally one decides to start tanking in lower keys to give a bit more leeway, but then you're just carried by your gear and don't always get a grasp of what is or isn't dangerous lol
I started tanking for the first time in season 4 DF.
I chose Blood DK...
My god I wish I had this video before I started tanking! XD
I had such a hard time that I don't plan on tanking for a while, got my 2,500 achievement and all my portals though! :P
was it really so hard? i struggle between bear and bdk :D because i want to comeback with tww and start tanking for the first time
@@akxeros5895 Well even though I got 2,500 rating, I still feel like I am really bad at it. I had so many failed runs even at the end and throughout my whole experience I had so many people tell me that I was trash or just that they hated me, so now I just think the same. I did so much research but peoples reaction towards me didn't change. For you I would say start of as a DPS so you know the pug routes, players hat not knowing what you will pull even if it's the perfect amount of trash mobs you kill. also I'm sure it's better if you start of at the beginning when everyone sucks a little. And from there, just make sure your skin is as tough as the tank you are playing! :D
Good luck and have fun, if tanking for you is fun, then go for it!
@@d.j.9739 ty for your answer :) well I ignore other people that hate around. I just want to play in my less time that I have as a tank to find own m+ groups. Its hard to find as dps a group. Would you still pick DK as a tank if you could go back and change? or would you pick another tank?
@@akxeros5895 Not a problem. =)
It's hard to say, I picked Blood DK for this seasons set look and to help a friend with his main which is a Blood DK. If neither of these are a factor and I'm set on playing a tank then I would go with what's easiest, Druid. But now Blood DK is the easiest for me because that is the only tank I played, so going forward if I had to play a tank I would pick that.
Great video 🎉
Just out of curiosity though I Have both a prot war and prot pally. Used both in dragonflight all 4 seasons. Which do you feel is going to be better to play in TWW mainly in the sense that I won’t be getting angry/raging to quit everyone keys fail to dying so much due to the massive tank nerfs all tanks received and the reliability on a good healer to heal correctly. Also since the messed up/wonky paladin hero talent specs. Please some solid direct advice on which would be better to main as in the new expansion would be greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work and great content.
Prot warrior while they'll be more reliant on healers to keep them alive since they have no self heals they're incredibly tanky and got a pretty big damage buff like 30% only downside is they don't have good magic mitigation only spell reflect and spell block so...
nice guide!
I really love your videos the format and the deatil, this expansion I really wanted to try out DPS for first time to shed the responsibility of having to download MDT profiles and learn the routes and pack counts.. Would you ever consider creating simmilar tierlist for DPS too? I know you mainly tank but I literally can't find DPS content creator that does it as good as you.
I have played all tanks at top 1% and i'm surprised prot pala is not one of the hardest to play. If you don't play around consecration, you are dead. If you fuck up you cd's (one of your 6-7 defensives), you are dead. If you heal too much, you run oom and die. If you do not keep your armor stacks up, you die. If you spend your holy power at the wrong time, you die.
I guess prot paladin is easy to get started with, but is considerably harder to play effeciently at higher key levels. VDH is so much easier to play. You can even spec into a decent build where you can have your spikes up permanently. Just use it whenever it's ready and you can literally walk through the dungeon without pressing anything else.
I agree. Though I guess most dont push high levels enough for it to be as punishing.
Same as brew imo, easier to get into for tww, but higher skillcap.
@@MC-wd5ko played all tanks at around 3500io last 3 seasons , and i find prot paladin one of the easiest , outside vdh that is just too op , brew is hardest by a big margin atleast for me
Man says right at the start "This is not for top% players, just for new tanks looking to cap vault at highest ilvl", so way more room for those mistakes you outlined in Prot Pala.
@@rhyshodgetts9681 true, but I think that can be said about most of the tanks. No tank is really hard to play if you just walk trough content that doesn't requires you to play the class.
I'm not even talking about top% players, SotR, conc and cycling cd's properly is a pretty important part about palas, that you need to learn pretty early on. imho. That doesn't mean you can't get boosted.
@@shockshow9823 I guess it depends on season you played, but last season prot pala would just get oneshot in so many keys. There were so many mechanics, where you needed to have SotR up, stand in conc and some times even double stack defensives. As VDH, you just fel dev and laugh.
Very helpful
Thanks
I agree on DK being the hardest to master , but I don't agree on DH being the second hardest :D I think Brewmaster is way harder than DH to master in tanking , with DH you basically have 3 main things going on , keeping demon spikes , fiery brand , and jungling your meta CD with Fel Devastation that's about all you have to worry about as a starting DH , as a starting brewmaster you often fuck up the stagger purify that's like the one and only toolkit you have to survive properly that's it , if you are new you will often get way more dmg than you need to , putting a lot of stress on the healer. Also for guardian , while being the easiest to learn , it is still the middle of the pack while being in the pug world cause of reliance of cooldowns and leech mechanics , in the pug world the easiest tank to learn is warrior , the only mechanics you have to learn is mitigate damage and you pretty much have a 3-5 buttons rotation.
I may be wrong but AFAIK Shield of the Righteous is off GCD for prot as well but not for heal. Had some issues with macros with my pally so im at least pretty sure it was like that at a certain point of time...
so guys I need your help. I did not played since begin DF and never tanked before.. I want to give it a try now. I struggle between BDK and Bear and almost every video saying diffrent things about what is easier or better for a beginner. I just want to play "for fun" no hard pushing. I know most people would say play what you like but that is not what my brain wants to hear.. :D
Bear tank you press like 4 buttons in your rotation and have a couple of CDs to keep up doesn't get any easier than bear
@@jeankirchstein2552 okay the only fact for the bear what I do not like is the less transmog options :D
@@jeankirchstein2552 Thats true for literally every single tank in the game right now. Actually guardian is one of the more complex specs in that regard, since you have offensive fury spenders for ST and AOE in the form of maul and raze, besides maintaining two dots and using mangle procs efficiently.
Great video, my only personal disagreement is port warrior, knowing the specifics ignore pain vs revenge can be tough
nah, neither of those abilities are that impactful for a beginner, ignore pain is the worst selfheal from all tanks anyway
@@rudy1999 that’s fair, it’s terribly inefficient but I’ve seen tanks macro shield block and ignore pain into everything and do fine early. It just doesn’t teach you if youre planning to dance
great video! thank you
Number one most important skill in tanking is situational awareness. What everyone in your group is doing, where they are, where the mobs are, what is aggro'd, to who, and also why.
Also knowing the route, knowing what to pull and when to pull (some groups can survive bigger pulls, important for timing high keys)
quaz can u help me im using ur ui eluvi and my camera keep zooming fully in and i have to zoom out every time i log in or reload
I’m playing a Prot Warrior but I’m trying to figure out what to change to next season
Spent all of Dragonflight being from groups because of my class ):
I'm normally prot warrior. I'm planning on brew and bear for the xpac
with a bear I find it almost impossible to keep group aggro. The same dungeon is much easier with a warrior or paly.
How do you bind shield block and ignore pain to mousewheel, I can't seem to figure it out
Just use an addon like bartender or elvui to set keybinds and then hover over the ability and do mousewheel up and the other ability mousewheel down. Your can bind your camera zoom to something else in the game keybind settings. For me its shift mouse up and down for camera zoom.
As a veteran tank I mostly agree. And if some one ask me what they shuld pic for there 1st tank I will actoaly gona recommend blood dk. True is not the esyest however it teaches you importance of cooldowns. I don't agree that they are hard because of having 2 resources but because is very important to have good CD management. As for worst beginner tank I will suggest brew masters. They are teaching new players aloot of bad habits and if you are looking to reroll to another tank you will have bad time
I've mained Gaurdian Druid since BFA. Its my favorite tank. I love my werebear forms. Got all of them except the one from the World Boss in Dragonflight. I totally skipped the expansion. I might comeback for War within
Ive mained guardian druid since Legion and ill be back for TWW
Thank you for guides. Its really helpful for beginners to start and wanting to become a mythic tank one day.
I would swap Brewmaster and Demon Hunter otherwise hard agree.
@Quazii WoW thanks for your videos....but can u check your > This #1 WoW Macro is a PVE GAME CHANGER < video ? the macro doesnt work anymore since the prepatch :(
Those tank nerfs hit hardz hope those pug healers are ready, also might be a slight decline in tanks.
nobody wanted to play tank and healer before
Now people will be even more hesitant to pick up those roles.
It's definately going to hurt the game overall. I also expect S1 in TWW is going to be much harder than it should be to add insult to injury.
I only play brew, blood and vengeance but I think brew is way more complex. Telling new players that brewmaster is middle of the pack difficulty is wild, especially with the state they're in right now.
Only thing you're missing in your prot paladin section - it is beginner friendly for surviving, but it is very not beginner friendly when playing it to it's max as it is a very group versatility tank.
Good tank to learn how to be more aware of what's happening outside of just your character, plus it's fun saving people with your off heals or your blessings, a big lay on hands which can be used as a defensive cd or party cd.
Edit: love your summary section touching on this
well I just started leveling my occasional alt DK tank from 70 to 80 and imported some tank spec for dungeons and while I was reading through the guide, talents and abilities I was like WTF? it looks hard as f*** so I googled this video and now I switched to warrior, goodbye DK
It’s very important for protection warriors to keep ignore pain up constantly. Not only for damage intake, but to ensure Battle-Scarred Veteran doesn’t proc until it’s needed. Revenge is only useful for spreading deep wounds & resetting Shield Slam.
You shouldn’t take battle-scarred veteran
Oh this guy is a druid main
Love kul tiran bear tanking
I feel like you have made V DH seem a lot harder than it is. VDH is basically a more mobile more self healing druid tank these days.
If this was a hardest to master ranking I'd absolutely agree with it. Okay lets say agree for the most part, ppal really doesnt have a lot of skill ceiling going on unlike pwar and guardian. However, with the purpose in mind of getting a fresh tank starter to cap his vault with as little learning as possible, both BDK and VDH are literally the top choices. Why? As long as you follow one simple rule - dont get in naked and rp/fury starved looking for back scratches - youre literally unkillable, 100% self-sustaining and can play recklessly offensive in a +10 since zero cooldown and resource management is involved. VDH complexity ramps up drastically as soon as the key level and your comp require you to use your gigantic CC portfolio, while with BDK things get spicy as soon as physicals can global you through your mitigation baseline. Both is not gonna happen in a +10, even if youre severly undergeared.
Cap vault.. that's +20 yeah?
@@KungKokkos that used to be the Case until the end of DF season 3. Ever since season 4 its +10, due to the new scaling making keys roughly 10 levels harder than before.
@@polkhigh_33 Oh, I see. Well, either way, it's TWW now, and it doesnt look like tanks will just swoop in and tank half the dungeon while selfsustaining anymore
Bear tank have issue vs magic DMG compared to easy prot war
Demon hunter is simple. Crazy good fun. Prepare to laugh a lot
Teach me. I want to learn
Honestly, just go for it. Switch over to tank spec and just start playing everything in tank spec. You'll get the feel for everything then just jump into dungeons. Try the cookie cutter tank builds, see what you like and don't like and go from there. The agro circle on the DH is huge and spirit bomb is just incredible. 4 shards and bomb, blag the rest until you figure it out. It's pretty simple and your able to survive some crazy stuff. It's just so much fun and you have so much mobility and range, it just makes tanking easy.
@@lexzbuddy sweet!
It's too bad about BDK. It's just not worth the stress. I found BM and Guardian equally easy. I love the BM rework.
11:25 I decided to use my lvl 70 pre-order boost on a Monk for Brewmaster, specifically. And that button bloat is REAL. And it’s not even that it’s buttons where you’d be like “oh, hey this might come in handy” like Prot Pally. No, it’s all stuff that has great utility but there’s way too much of it. All good points you’re making, Mr Quazii!
The good thing for Monk is, that your standard attacks, your standard rotation, it doesn't really matter that much what skill you press or in what order. There's some synergy, but not it's not like a warrior where you use revenge just one time too much and suddenly you're rage starved and can't use shield block or ignore pain - or paladin, where you have clear "generators" and "spenders" even with a choice how to spend your holy power.
Prot Paladin is the hardest to play for a newcomer by far, but when you really get it it’s in many ways the easiest. You have a lot of healing you can distribute to the group, major utility for yourself and others, and high DPS potential for a tank. Prot Paladin is for the player who will embrace having many keybinds and use the whole utility package, including BoS and BoP. And they’re rewarded if they can master it.
Never really understood bdk being hard. I always find it super braindead. Maintain boneshield and deathstrike when you take damage very rarely pay attention to runic power. I guess playing other tanks and knowing when damage is coming so you know preemtively that you will need to deathstrike/cd helps.
i started WoW with vengeance DH, i got quite decent even, becoming top 10-20% M+ on the server. Nice to hear that it wasnt just the class. i thought then i just got there cause it was OP ^^
Great video! I wouldn't change order but personally the gap between prot pally and prot war is much bigger, pwar is really dumb easy to play and prot pally is decently hard with the plentiful of blessings and wog/sotr economy with consec management. But that also just could be me playing ppal for way too long and pwar feeling dumb af in comparison. Especially when TWW launches and people get to max level the difference will be a bit bigger too as pwar is staying at same level of dumb(you just spam thunder clap a bit more) while ppal is getting new ally buff or another layer of Can i spend holy power on this(hammer of light) instead of sotr. But 100% bdk/vdh are easiest to screw up a pull and die on.
i was surprised when you said blood dk was on the harder side.
to be fair, idk much about mythic+.
blood dk was always so strong because death strike not only heals you but thanks to mastery, death strike also gives a shield based on the restored health.
i don't even really track anything, i just know what ability gives me the required rune power to keep hitting death strike. it's more like i faceroll on the keyboard than actually managing my resources.
well, thanks to raegwyns old videos i even started to play blood in the first place and so i have way more experience on staying alive solo than actually tanking multiple enemies for my group, so...
Vengence Demon Hunter is so hard. I struggle to remember the two buttons I'm constantly pressing while tanking. Sometimes when I get in a bind I have to remember the other three buttons for my defensives and mitigation. I don't know how I manage. I'm thinking Vengence DH should be on the other end of Prot nearer to Palidian who have more migitagtion/defensives the DH. Not to mention to two charages of essentially Heroic Leap on faster cooldowns that allow them to just choose where they want to be at any moment making dodging a breeze. If ask me the list goes easiest: Vengence DH, Prot Paladin, Bear, Prot Warrior, Blood DK, and Brewmaster. Saying you have to pop a defensive before the big pool is like verbally admitting that the biggest difficulty with Vengence is remembering you have to pop before pull. Seems simple enough if ask me and certainly easier than managing stagger, squishness, defensives, mitigation, and stunning with leg sweep all at the same time just to stay alive! Vengence 5 button tanking has got nothing on the 12+ button convoluted differed damage juggle.
If I cat napped in the middle of Vengence DH tanking I'd probably still be alive when I woke up and just migitate right back up. If I cat nap in brew master I'd be at death's door about to pay my differed taxes.
me playing vengeance as a first timer wondering why im struggling -_-
Warriors are just plain boring to play, will always be the best beginner tank to learn. I wish there was more to it than there is, I always drop mine half way through an expansion cuz it’s just not interesting. Atleast prot paladins u can goof around and be a semi healer lol.. and higher levels they get Hard to master.
Mastering brew and bdk are probably the hardest but respectfully disagree about BDK being hardest to pick up for beginners. Unless we have a different definition of a beginner tank, I think bdk has been the second easiest tank to play for a long time unless you're pushing high. Having pugged probably 2k+ keys during DF the tanks that fail the most in low keys have been whatever the meta tank is and prot warrior.
I find VDH and Brew WAY harder than Blood DK personally.
Blood dk just plant D&D, spam blood boil on CD, switch between death strike and vampiric strike, use vampiric blood if you’re in trouble. Keep blood shield stacks up with other abilities
Spam all other CDs like Abom limb, dancing rune weapon, etc when they come up at the start of a pull
VDH requires kiting, stops, sigils
Brew has so many buttons I get overwhelmed and always feel like I’m dying
i like that while explaining how to play bdk, you explain 6 different things that require timing and good understanding of the spec as well as the pulls you do, and say they are easy :P this video is for beginner tanks, not players who have played blood dk for the past 12 years and want to try something new, blood dk is absolutely the hardest tank, no doubt about it.
@@Amphroxia i agree . shit ton of planning makes dk more fun
It's a really big difference on how is BDK in M+ based on difficulty.
I'd say that tanking in low keys (maybe until 12-13 or so) it's one of the easiest and chill tanks to play. You don't care about healer you can do everything yourself. But when going to push more on high keys it tends to be a lot more difficult: resource management, 1 shots and proper cd manangement is crucial to stay alive, especially when you don't want to kite ever 2 mobs around cause you insta die.
At least from my experience on higher keys you either get a really good BDK or a really bad one, didn't really find something between :)
@@Amphroxia I play +4-8s mostly
1500 rio take
It's BDK time, brother. You know what it means, we going harrrrrd!
I only ever had success on Brewmaster. You don't need to know anything. Defensive is always up.
It's literally considered the hardest tank in the game to play.
Doing LFR and normal dungeons doesn't count lil bro
Also, stagger is not a defensive if you don't purify it
I think it's a bit misleading to rank tanks from easy to hard, because the difficulty is different for "learning" to play or "mastering" to play.
The DK for example is probably the easiest tank to learn with how much self-sustain he has. Very forgiving overall, even if you don't have your mitigation or def CDs up, you can just heal yourself. Playing DK in high keys on the other hand is a constant reaction time check with how bouncy your HP bar is. Being one if not the least tanky tank also doesn't help in every other regard in high keys.
Monk on the other hand is hard to learn, but once you understand stagger (and get a WA) it's fairly easy to play in my opinion. He has enough def CDs to make your life easier and it's not THAT important which attack you press as long as you press something.
Paladin is also easy to learn. Maybe not as easy as DK, but it's straight forward and you have good selfheal. Mastering on the other hand can be tricky. Chosing between a (self)heal and your mitigation always feels bad. Having to stand in you consecration also feels bad. Keeping an eye on your team to support them with blessings and heals while trying to survive a high key, feels like playing a healer on hard mode.
Don’t fully agree with this. Brew should probably be the hardest, not Blood. Brew has severe button bloat and so many things to pay attention to. Blood can be intimidating to get into, but once you understand it, it’s really not that bad.
Are tanks still fun to play after Blizzard's Valentine Day's Massacre?
Lmao my lil brother is in the group.
edit: lmao this is my gm and guildie group LOL
Ironfur above 6 stacks is wasting rage
Honestly? no.
@@filipepaivazoega3669 Honestly, yes. And thats only true for pushing beyond 15. In the 10-15 range going higher than 2-3 stacks - maybe 4 for rare giga pulls outside of major cds - is already a huge waste most of the time since you can easily outheal the incoming damage while blasting with razes and mauls to manage threat and speed up the key. If Raze is not your #1 damage ability by a fair distance, youre very likely playing too defensively for no reason.
@@polkhigh_33 well, keep playing like you only do low keys, and that's the performance you will have for the end of your life. So no.
@@filipepaivazoega3669
1) The low key card? Nice try, I'm on page 1 of the top io guardians. You?
2) What Quazii and apparently you as well dont know is: The stacks and therefore armor gains through iron fur are not capped. However, your maximum physical DR is, at 85%. Considering youre endgame geared for the season, you'll reach the 85% cap against a 3 level higher elite boss at 5 or 6 stacks. If you dont believe me, feel free to take that topic to Dreamgrove, all the theorycrafters and highio players will confirm this.
3) The damage gain through thorns of iron is evenly distributed and square root scales beyond the 4th stack, so dont even try, it doesnt justify overstacking as well.
4) The art of tanking is and has always been to find the sweet spot in mitigation, selfsustain and throughput. Its funny that you mention 'keep playing like you only do low keys'. Because the higher you go, the more offensive you literally have to play. For one, because the timer forces you, any additional dps matters. And two, the higher you go, the better performing your dps mates will be, forcing you to keep up with the threat. Which is especially true for prepatch with classes like Frost DKs and Furywarriors easily ripping threat worth of 1million+ tank dps. I'm a regular high tier booster at Nova, and if I see you mindlessly stacking furs while my dps toon is getting pummeled from AA leashers, youre gonna 100% get the smoke for tank malperformance.
brewmaster lost me at to many buttons lol
Prot warrior easier then dk, dh etc ? 😂
Bdk is easiest for me and by far 😅
As healer it's deflating that the tank out heals me. My objective every dungeon is to beat the tank in heals 😂
Shut your meters off and use them only in review. The goal is to defeat the content. Focus on that
@@xxOutkastedxx Exactly this. Healers are sooo butthurt about their healing done all the time. The best healers only heals as much as the group requires and aside from that, help with beating the timer by prioritizing dps and cc.
Quazii: "Tanks have 2 main jobs, staying alive (...)"
Tank nerfs: "Well hello"