Diablo 4 - What is thorns and how does it work?
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2023
- I made a few mistakes in this video that I will mention here, I didn't want to re-record this entire thing as I have limited ability in editing and had spent many hours getting the audio working.
When I was testing conceited aspect I hadn't noticed that my barrier disappeared right when I was hit by the flies, it doesn't work with iron skin, just wanted to mention I am aware of this mistake. Also at the end about the all stats vs berserking damage affix, the reason for the changes in the damage was because thorns is a bit bugged and doesn't change when you get an increase of thorns from the death wish aspect, it unbugs itself when you take an action or move an item around in your inventory, this happens when you have things like tough as nails that give a percentage and thorns hasn't updated the amount properly.
Also this was a bad test since the axe I normally use with all stats has more STR than the other, so even though the numbers show the result if the berserking axe had more STR it would have won out, that's the entire point there, and berserking is an easy condition to meet. 
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I read all Thorn guides related to Diablo 4. Including Kgault guide that is great. But I never saw a complete test guiding like yours. Congrats bro. Even info that were wrong and not clear. In particular Crit Damage. The best detailed content.
UPDATE: Conceited aspect now works with temerity and iron skin.
Is it worth running these two?
This is great saved me a lot of time! Thank you very muchh
Nice. I adjusted my build a bit and just took it into pvp for the first time. Obviously I need to spend more time there to test but killed a Druid, another Barb and 2 necros. Then killed then all again in a 1v4 when extracting. All lvl 100 same as me.
Highlights of build are 6182 attack power, 7641 armour, 23661 health, 17396 thorns (11980 from Razorplate), 35% damage reduction from close, 31% reduction from bleeding, 77% reduction while injured (this is invaluable) and 72% berserking duration bonus. Also using Barber, revenge and punishing speed hearts.
‘Twas fun :)
lovely info. thanks a lot buddy! would love more insight into thorns and what skills are the best.
edit: i saw you have more videos about this subject, great!
Im exploring all options when it comes to thorns! Ive been using barber based on a kgault vid and he mentioned to run crit damage but NO crit chance. Do you think crit chance benefits barber in any way with thorns?
This is very useful even for a thorns necro. Thank you for this content.
Thanks for the testing. 👍
You're welcome, I like to test things and I want provide value in these videos.
Best thorns video out by far
I know previous Diablo games never had it but a great new feature I feel would be great for D4 is a training/practice room mode where you can test damage or other things similar to what Lost Ark has with a training dummy or dummies. See how much damage your character can do to a test mob or test boss or check your abilities to see how well it works/procs if you hit an enemy or if an enemy hits you.
Agreed, this is why I have to find other ways to test and the best I found was using these flies. They don't work for everything because they die easily though.
Hello, thx for video, can thorns overpower?
Not sure if you already went over this but I was wondering how Thorns handle Damage Overtime. Does Thorns only count the initial hit? I’ve been running a few different Thorn Builds in PVP and these dang Poison Rouges seems to be dealing massive amount of damage while being tanky.
PVP is difficult for a thorns build because any build that utilizes healing in any capacity is going to out heal our thorns damage. As for the damage over time, I think the only thing you can do is find rings that give poison resistance and use a poison resistance elixir against them. Our goal as a thorns build is to survive long enough by taking hits for them to die, but it's a struggle with how other builds currently are. Make sure you have a ton of damage reduction from close as well. And yeah you can't thorns damage over time, it has to be direct attacks.
@@RagutosWorldthorns causes 10% dam to bleed tho so that’s some damage over time right?
Great video
Has anything changed with thorns from this video?
Thanks Buddy
Hi. Is this also good for pvp? Also crit dmg with barber heat works with thorns. Maybe test it too?
I will get on this.
@@RagutosWorld Thx u. What u think for pvp ? is this viable?
@@angvl8793 Yes, I have played pvp with it, not extensively but yes it works.
Thank you
So Thorns is physical damage? Keep hearing conflicting info. Also, how come Ambidextrous increases Thorns? Would that mean any glyph (like Might) that boosts damage per the weapon you are using boosts thorns damage?
Yeah. my tests show that and ambidextrous works because it is just a damage multiplier while wielding one-handed weapons, in this case the axes or swords. Might would work as well if you were using a skill that caused you to hold a two-handed weapon.
@@RagutosWorldthat's interesting. I assumed those glyph multipliers (like Might) only applied to skills like rend or flay while using a 2hander, but what you are saying is as long as they are being wielded, it also multiplies thorns damage? Thanks for testing!
@@johntruongpictures Yep, as long as you are wielding one handed or two handed based on the glyph you're equipping. Thorns will get the multiplied damage.
I don't get why the developers don't make a special pit room that can capture stats like total DPS, max, average damage. this would cause people to experiment more.
Interesting, so if i vuln i should avoid hitting tornybarb
How do you have almost 20k life? Lol. My barb still currently shy of lv 75. He stronk tho 💪
I think unconstrained is bugged and was hoping a content creator could test it like I have and get the word out. I have thorns build and run unconstrained, it says it adds 5 seconds to beserk but it doesn't instead it only goes up to 5 seconds max and I use chains so it should go up to 7 seconds but only goes up to 3seconds also beserk duration gear might be bugged as well! Hoping you will see this and if interested in it would make a beserk content video!
Unconstrained increases berserks maximum duration by 5 seconds. So if steel grasp is giving you 2 seconds of berserking and you don't have enough "+% berserking duration" to make up to 5 seconds over the 2, which would require +250% berserking duration to hit, you won't see any difference. Also berserking as a status has a maximum duration of 5 seconds unless you activate unconstrained which then increases it to 10 seconds, so any source of berserking you have will then require an equal percent berserking duration to get closer to the 10 seconds cap, if you proc berserking from one source and then get it from another it just goes to the cap if there are enough seconds between the 2 buffs to get you there.
@@RagutosWorld I kinda get what your saying and appreciate your feedback. I learn better seeing and hearing it explained I tried looking it up on it's own but seems to come with a complete build guide which I'm trying to avoid, can't find anyone doing a just berserk guide on it's own maybe I'm just making it more difficult than it is🤷♂️. So should I stack beserk duration gear and is there a cap% on that?
I wish they had a prock skill