That stab scene with the couple will always haunt me. It was so subtle, yet, fast and yet gruesome. The screams were realistic and the realism of it all just…..ugh. Amazing directing.
The woman’s screams, and the look of horror when she realizes what is happening to her boyfriend and what is about to happen to her… One of the most disturbing things I’m ever seen
Whenever I see the cover for this movie or anyone mentions the Zodiac killer randomly, that scene replays in my head. Stabbing scenes are no bueno. Too visceral. The scene from The Strangers and that one from Saving Private Ryan also come to mind.
Her name was Cecelia Ann Shepard. I see people point out how horrified they were by this scene in particular whenever this movie comes up, but nobody ever mentions her name. It was Cecelia. She was born in India, on New Year’s Day, 1947. She was 22. She had two sisters named Kathy and Carolyn, and a widowed mom, and she was finishing up her degree. I just think we should spare a thought for her. Cecelia deserved a full life. She deserved a day by the lake. She deserved better than having her awful death remembered but her whole life forgotten. RIP Cecelia Ann Shepard (1947-1969)
Fincher has a knack for it with stab scenes, I don't know what it is but he always makes it so uncomfortable and horrific. The scene in The Girl With Dragon Tattoo where Micheal is about to get stabbed gives me the same reaction, and he doesn't even actually get stabbed!
I love that every time Zodiac appears and speaks, it’s always a different person and different voice since they never caught him and couldn’t know what he looked or sounded like
In the scene where the Zodiac stops the car with the woman & child @15:35 the actress is named Ione Skye (Say Anything/ Rivers Edge) she was invited to make a cameo in this film as an "inside joke". Why? her father is a legendary Folk singer Donovan who's song "Hurdy Gurdy Man" is heard in both the beginning & end of the film.
can you believe the real Robert Graysmith was really this obsessed. once he saw the movie, the only thing he could say was "now i see why my wife left me"
the dvd has a commentary with downey and gyllenhaal that is amazing. they just sound like two regular guys and have such an amazing time doing it. so great.
Mark Ruffalo is playing Dave Toschi. He was the model for Steve McQueen in BULLITT (1968) and Clint Eastwood in DIRTY HARRY (1971). And the creepy guy with a basement, at 34:30, is Charles Fleischer. He's a comedian... and the voice of Roger Rabbit.
Funny you would mention bullitt and Dirty Harry from what I’ve read toschi wasn’t too fond of Dirty Harry because they made it look easy that the killer was killed and that they could’ve done it just like Dirty Harry but they didn’t Bullitt on the other he was ok with because McQueen came to the department and met with him and He liked how toschi carried himself and how he wore his gun holster and when he wears his turtleneck and trench coat and when he puts his trench coat over his shoulder
@@mohammedashian8094 Plus, Dirty Harry was just a right-wing cartoon character. It's no mystery why the 2nd film wasn't as popular with the hardcore fans. Where the ring of vigilante cops, or Harry Callahan wannabes, get their comeuppance.
@@Hexon66 idk who told that I thought it was really good and besides it ain’t right wing if he’s doing everyone else a favor by using his methods of getting of crime
23:20 I love how they included a time-lapse of the TransAmerica Pyramid being built in the film! No only is it the prefect way to convey that time has passed, but it's by far the most recognizable and iconic building in San Francisco, and just so happened to be built when all that was going on. Such a nice detail
David Fincher's best, IMO. And one of the most underviewed and underreacted to films. Thank you so much for cutting in to that with this great reaction
I stayed in Bob Vaughn's house in San Francisco. very freaky when we were watching this movie with my now wife, and we found out the connection to Zodiac. The lower level was exactly as depicted in the film. We had moved out only by 2 months when we saw the movie.
Ok I'm going to recommend 3 obscure and pretty dark movies, which all take place in non-specific contemporary time. 1) "You Were Never Really Here," by Scottish director Lynn Ramsey who also made "We Have to Talk About Kevin." No one makes films like her. (It won a prize at Cannes I believe.) (It takes place in NYC.) 2) "Sorcerer." I saw this because I rewatched "French Connection" a few years ago and mentioned that I love Roy Scheider. A friend recommended this. All i will say is that it is famous for 2 hours of unrelieved tension. (It didn't go anywhere bc people thought it was fantasy, Director was the guy who directed "The Exorcist"but it is NOT fantasy - the "sorcerer" is not a person.) 3) "Wind River." A murder mystery that takes place on an Indian reservation. it will tear your heart out.
If you liked this film, check out "Summer of Sam" (1993) and "Monster" (2003). "Summer of Sam" is about the .44 Caliber Killer, Sam Berkowitz, who terrorized New York and made you afraid to come out at night. "Monster" is about the 1st female serial killer Aileen Wournos. Both are great movies. 🎥
So, when it comes to the scene of the the couple being stabbed, the real man's name is: Bryan Hartnell. He did in fact survive, as stated in the film, while his partner did not, as also stated in the film. The real Bryan Hartnell made a TEENY TINY cameo. At 25:34 - you see two people walk past, a man and a woman. That man being the real survivor. Bryan Hartnell. Trivia for you.
You should check out 2001 horror film called “From Hell”. The film stars Johnny Depp as Inspector Abberline a police officer trying to catch Jack the Ripper. Jack the Ripper was an unidentified serial killer who murdered and mutilated prostitutes in London in 1888.
Great reaction. Being a amateur serial killer buff myself, here is a fact for you. At 25:35 in your reaction you see two people, a man and a woman, pass through the corridor while Captain Lee talks to Inspector Toschi. The man you see is actually Bryan Hartnell, the real victim of zodiac from Lake Berryessa. He does a cameo in this film.
Check out jarett kobek's book that he released a few months ago "motor spirit". I'm reading it right now, only a third the way through so far but I've learned more about the case than I've learnt in years, and I've been kinda obsessed with it for years lol. For example, the tate-labianca murders by the manson family were carried out exactly week after zodiacs first letter. Sharon tate was murdered by knife, the same day that the hardens cracked his first cipher. Kobek theorizes that zodiac stabbed his next victims, by the lake, because the manson killings were essentially getting more press than he was. This would also explain why he was described as nervously shaking before and while stabbing them. It was new to him. He also wrote in felt tip pen on the car door, similar to how the manson family wrote "pigs" on Sharon tate's door, but with blood. I don't think Arthur Leigh Allen was zodiac. But this movie is so damn good. Graysmith was like a 70s version of a qanon researcher. He was obsessive and suffered from tunnel vision, just like online amateur researchers do nowadays. The movie captures that perfectly. Favourite scene is when Clea Duvall smiles and says "it wasn't... rick!". Right before saying it was "lee" and sending him down another rabbit hole.. the movie isn't about Arthur leigh allen for me, it's about graysmith chasing ghosts. It's so good.
This is such an amazing movie and thank you for reacting to it. The cast and directing was top notch. I know it's an unpopular opinion but I still believe that the zodiac and the golden state serial killer are one in the same. They had different motives for killing but that was the point. When the zodiac stopped killing the golden state killings started picking up nation wide attention. It's just my own theory.
When I first read the book, I was so angry and disappointed at how close they were to getting this guy. The fact that a cop spoke to him face to face and somehow slipped through is so frustrating.
You guys didn't even put the actual ending into this reaction! "Door to door, that is less than fifty yards" Toschi replies "Is that true?" and Jake looks him dead in the eye and says "I've waked it"...no bueno
Another great serial killer movie is "The Hillside Strangler" it's an older movie but real interesting. It's a true story of an Uncle and his Nephew who killed several people in California.
Meaningful cooperation between jurisdictions back then was nearly impossible, and not practical unless you had solid leads...like an actual name or a plate number. Crime was usually only reported in local newspapers. Why would you read a newspaper from Vallejo if you lived in San Francisco? Police departments did not have the resources to notify dozens of other departments within the state every time they found a footprint. Think about it, every day, each individual police station writes up a dozen or so reports and there are probably hundreds of police stations in California. Just 100 stations times a dozen is 1200 reports. Who's going to process 1200 handwritten or typed reports a day looking for evidence or similarities? Not every station was fortunate to even have a photocopy machine. There's no internet, no websites, no Google, no social media, no cell phones, no JPEG's, no office printers or fax machines, no fingerprint database, no DNA, etc... just rotary phones and switchboard operators. Even 411 information didn't start until 1977. Cooperation? Not a chance.
The actor who played Shorty completely steals every single scene that he is in. What a brilliant comic relief. This guy show be in more movies playing those type characters.
My dad worked at an oil refinery about a mile away from where the first killing took place. The following night my dad was on top of a tank taking samples when her heard someone shooting. They didn't know then that they were dealing with a serial killer but when you hear someone shooting the night after 2 kids were murdered, you are not going to stand around being a target. He laid down on the tank making himself as small as possible and used his radio and got them to call the police. It turned out to be an incredibly stupid armed guard in the industrial park shooting at jackrabbits.
I really enjoyed your reaction to Rocky, so I was stoked to see a reaction for Zodiac pop up in my feed, I've seen it a handful of times and I don't know a whole lot about what went into the making of it, but to me there is just something that feels terribly authentic about it all, and yes a smoking soundtrack full of jams from that era 👍
okay, judith, there's no right answer to this but to the best of your ability can you please explain why you, and a very obscure but noticable group of people, think midnight run is high hilarity. At best the comedic element was 'mildly amusing'--and I'm truly perplexed, I'm not making fun of you or anyone who thinks that, it just confuses me--one of the funniest men that ever lived, Patrice O'neal, black comic, sadly gone, HE thought it was one of the funniest movies of all time--this was a legitimately funny man and to my lifelong confusion saw something I could not--I know 'everybody sees different things''taste is subjective' blah-blah-blah--please don't answer with bromides. I has to boil down to personality, or worldview, that somehow the charles grodin character was worth more comedically than I first thought--what about grodin do you find funny? is it the deadpan way he irritates deniro, what about that character speaks to you in such a way like it does/did patrice oneal--can you give me five or so other comedies/performances that tickle you to nearly the same degree because then I could maybe zero in on the solution--I'm sorry to go on Judith but I saw your comment and I just went 'That's it! It ends now! I'm getting to the bottoim of this." Any help you could lend would be appreciated, this is a two decade-long thinky pain and maybe it's nothing more than that you knew someone like that. Please. Yours, Avery-of-the-Main
Fun fact, for those that don’t know. And forgive me if I’m being morbid. During the production of Zodiac, director David Fincher was originally signed on to direct the 2006 movie The Black Dahlia (which was directed by Brian De Palma) which itself is also based on infamous unsolved murder. The Black Dahlia is based on a book by James Ellroy. Just like how Zodiac is based on a book by Robert Graysmith. And the reason why Fincher dropped out of The Black Dahlia was because of his commitment to Zodiac. For me personally I would’ve loved to see Fincher direct The Black Dahlia. It was unfortunately a critical & commercial failure. Even though, years later in 2013 Fincher co wrote the graphic novel adaptation of the Black Dahlia with comic book writer Matz (who created The Killer graphic novel which became the Netflix film directed by Fincher). And for me personally, I never read the graphic novel but I felt it was Fincher’s original vision for what he wanted to do with the movie. And for me I’m more fascinated by The Black Dahlia than the Zodiac Killer. I’m sorry if anybody does not like my opinion. I love the Zodiac movie but it’s just how I feel.
i live pretty close to the bay area and one halloween i got taken to one of the spots where the zodiac shot the couple from the beginning of the movie, it was creepy because there was a guy in the park from far away watching movie, after a while i was like lets get the hell out of here
One of my High School teachers was in High School during the Zodiac killings and her Mobster dad had two enforcers trailing her and her boyfriend when they were going out on dates for her protection (talk about awkward)
I remember that scene at 24:30 when the officers went to Arthur Leigh's trailer house, in the original cut they searched under his bed and pulled out horse sized dildos. Why they omitted it later is beyond me.
As good as this film is the special edition dvd/blu-ray release includes a full-length documentary, This Is the Zodiac Speaking, which includes contemporary (2007) appearances by ALL of the surviving victims and police officers. By far the best true crime doc ever made. It also includes an hour long doc about Authur Lee Alan plus lots of archival footage.
Now I'm going to recommend another obscure movie, by Hal Hartley, who makes quirky indie films. "Henry Fool." It's one of my favorites - I've seen it maybe 4 times - and I watch a lot of movies. It's a satire., and extremely funny in a droll deadpan way. and it co-stars Parker Posey! Who doesn't love Parker Posey? She should have her own film festival.
The stabbing scene by the lake is once of the most horrible movie kills I've seen. IT's not the most gory or creative but it just feels so blunt and real, especially the way the knife goes in, very accurate.
Bryan Harnell, the survivor, himself said, after seeing the movie, how accurate the scene was. He even said that the point where the movie cuts away from Shepherd being stabbed was around the time he himself looked away.
The sure sign of a good movie like this is you feel absolute frustration by the end. Zodiac will never be solved but there was an absolute mountain of circumstantial evidence along the way that we all latch on to. It's also just a powerhouse cast bringing this two and a half hour movie along
OK two more, fairly well known, both very sad, with exquisite acting and many psychological layers. 1) "The Sweet Hereafter." It won a big award at Cannes. (It stars Sarah Polley, anther indie actress I like.) 2) "Manchester By The Sea." Gut-wrenching. About unimaginable guilt.
This movie made me try an aqua velva... Never looked back. Love this movie but it does suffer from relying on Greysmith's book witch isn't very accurate
I left this comment for the other girl but I never saw her react, and I saw two of yours. Just to say I’m not spamming the threads. I suggest a classic gritty NYC detective film with the best car chase ever and brilliant character actors: the French Connection. I think it’s perfect for you.
Good movie . Great reaction . Man ... the fist killing at day sight ... hu will do that . And also I would have fought even if he had every advantage. At leat the girl could have gotten away
She knows all about the Zodiac case from true crime podcasts but had no idea what was happening during the film, didn’t know the people involved or the facts of the case. Hmmm. Less podcasts and more books maybe.
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That stab scene with the couple will always haunt me. It was so subtle, yet, fast and yet gruesome. The screams were realistic and the realism of it all just…..ugh. Amazing directing.
The woman’s screams, and the look of horror when she realizes what is happening to her boyfriend and what is about to happen to her…
One of the most disturbing things I’m ever seen
Whats creepy is they filmed the scene , in the actual place where the crime happened .
Whenever I see the cover for this movie or anyone mentions the Zodiac killer randomly, that scene replays in my head. Stabbing scenes are no bueno. Too visceral. The scene from The Strangers and that one from Saving Private Ryan also come to mind.
Her name was Cecelia Ann Shepard. I see people point out how horrified they were by this scene in particular whenever this movie comes up, but nobody ever mentions her name. It was Cecelia. She was born in India, on New Year’s Day, 1947. She was 22. She had two sisters named Kathy and Carolyn, and a widowed mom, and she was finishing up her degree. I just think we should spare a thought for her. Cecelia deserved a full life. She deserved a day by the lake. She deserved better than having her awful death remembered but her whole life forgotten. RIP Cecelia Ann Shepard (1947-1969)
Fincher has a knack for it with stab scenes, I don't know what it is but he always makes it so uncomfortable and horrific. The scene in The Girl With Dragon Tattoo where Micheal is about to get stabbed gives me the same reaction, and he doesn't even actually get stabbed!
I love that every time Zodiac appears and speaks, it’s always a different person and different voice since they never caught him and couldn’t know what he looked or sounded like
In the scene where the Zodiac stops the car with the woman & child @15:35 the actress is named Ione Skye (Say Anything/ Rivers Edge) she was invited to make a cameo in this film as an "inside joke". Why? her father is a legendary Folk singer Donovan who's song "Hurdy Gurdy Man" is heard in both the beginning & end of the film.
"There's more than one way to lose your life to a killer" Hats off to a perfect tagline.
can you believe the real Robert Graysmith was really this obsessed. once he saw the movie, the only thing he could say was "now i see why my wife left me"
the dvd has a commentary with downey and gyllenhaal that is amazing. they just sound like two regular guys and have such an amazing time doing it. so great.
Mark Ruffalo is playing Dave Toschi. He was the model for Steve McQueen in BULLITT (1968) and Clint Eastwood in DIRTY HARRY (1971).
And the creepy guy with a basement, at 34:30, is Charles Fleischer. He's a comedian... and the voice of Roger Rabbit.
Funny you would mention bullitt and Dirty Harry from what I’ve read toschi wasn’t too fond of Dirty Harry because they made it look easy that the killer was killed and that they could’ve done it just like Dirty Harry but they didn’t Bullitt on the other he was ok with because McQueen came to the department and met with him and He liked how toschi carried himself and how he wore his gun holster and when he wears his turtleneck and trench coat and when he puts his trench coat over his shoulder
@@mohammedashian8094 Plus, Dirty Harry was just a right-wing cartoon character. It's no mystery why the 2nd film wasn't as popular with the hardcore fans. Where the ring of vigilante cops, or Harry Callahan wannabes, get their comeuppance.
@@Hexon66 idk who told that I thought it was really good and besides it ain’t right wing if he’s doing everyone else a favor by using his methods of getting of crime
The basement scene confused me.
23:20 I love how they included a time-lapse of the TransAmerica Pyramid being built in the film! No only is it the prefect way to convey that time has passed, but it's by far the most recognizable and iconic building in San Francisco, and just so happened to be built when all that was going on. Such a nice detail
In the theater they're playing Dirty Harry, a film loosely based on The Zodiac Killer, definitely worth a watch
David Fincher's best, IMO. And one of the most underviewed and underreacted to films. Thank you so much for cutting in to that with this great reaction
thanks for watching mr.pilkington
@@Diegesis I would enjoy hearing your thoughts after the movie.
I stayed in Bob Vaughn's house in San Francisco. very freaky when we were watching this movie with my now wife, and we found out the connection to Zodiac. The lower level was exactly as depicted in the film. We had moved out only by 2 months when we saw the movie.
Zodiac is up there as one of my favourite films. It's a long flick but really well put together. Really cool to see a reaction to this.
Ok I'm going to recommend 3 obscure and pretty dark movies, which all take place in non-specific contemporary time.
1) "You Were Never Really Here," by Scottish director Lynn Ramsey who also made "We Have to Talk About Kevin." No one makes films like her. (It won a prize at Cannes I believe.) (It takes place in NYC.)
2) "Sorcerer." I saw this because I rewatched "French Connection" a few years ago and mentioned that I love Roy Scheider. A friend recommended this. All i will say is that it is famous for 2 hours of unrelieved tension. (It didn't go anywhere bc people thought it was fantasy, Director was the guy who directed "The Exorcist"but it is NOT fantasy - the "sorcerer" is not a person.)
3) "Wind River." A murder mystery that takes place on an Indian reservation. it will tear your heart out.
at 25:54, bryan hartnell, the stabbing survivor, is in the background with a woman walking out the door
This is such a good movie thank you for reacting to it!
If you liked this film, check out "Summer of Sam" (1993) and "Monster" (2003). "Summer of Sam" is about the .44 Caliber Killer, Sam Berkowitz, who terrorized New York and made you afraid to come out at night. "Monster" is about the 1st female serial killer Aileen Wournos. Both are great movies. 🎥
I can second this. Two of my favorites also. =)
Son Of Sam is what he was/is known as.
Son Of Sam's name is David Berkowitz, BTW.
So, when it comes to the scene of the the couple being stabbed, the real man's name is: Bryan Hartnell. He did in fact survive, as stated in the film, while his partner did not, as also stated in the film.
The real Bryan Hartnell made a TEENY TINY cameo. At 25:34 - you see two people walk past, a man and a woman. That man being the real survivor. Bryan Hartnell. Trivia for you.
One of my all time favorites. Another great Jake Gyllenhaal detective film is Prisoners; cast, writing, cinematography 🤌🤌
Prisoners is an enthralling film.
This is my second favorite Jake Gyllenhaal movie behind Prisoners
Gotta go with "October Sky" as well. My fav JG film ever.
Donnie Darko and End of Watch too.
You should check out 2001 horror film called “From Hell”. The film stars Johnny Depp as Inspector Abberline a police officer trying to catch Jack the Ripper. Jack the Ripper was an unidentified serial killer who murdered and mutilated prostitutes in London in 1888.
"The Fucking Library" 😆 Broke the Case! 🙄
Great reaction. Being a amateur serial killer buff myself, here is a fact for you.
At 25:35 in your reaction you see two people, a man and a woman, pass through the corridor while Captain Lee talks to Inspector Toschi. The man you see is actually Bryan Hartnell, the real victim of zodiac from Lake Berryessa. He does a cameo in this film.
I read the 2nd sentence as "an amateur serial killer" and I was like 💀
Check out jarett kobek's book that he released a few months ago "motor spirit". I'm reading it right now, only a third the way through so far but I've learned more about the case than I've learnt in years, and I've been kinda obsessed with it for years lol.
For example, the tate-labianca murders by the manson family were carried out exactly week after zodiacs first letter. Sharon tate was murdered by knife, the same day that the hardens cracked his first cipher. Kobek theorizes that zodiac stabbed his next victims, by the lake, because the manson killings were essentially getting more press than he was. This would also explain why he was described as nervously shaking before and while stabbing them. It was new to him. He also wrote in felt tip pen on the car door, similar to how the manson family wrote "pigs" on Sharon tate's door, but with blood.
I don't think Arthur Leigh Allen was zodiac. But this movie is so damn good. Graysmith was like a 70s version of a qanon researcher. He was obsessive and suffered from tunnel vision, just like online amateur researchers do nowadays. The movie captures that perfectly.
Favourite scene is when Clea Duvall smiles and says "it wasn't... rick!". Right before saying it was "lee" and sending him down another rabbit hole.. the movie isn't about Arthur leigh allen for me, it's about graysmith chasing ghosts. It's so good.
I grew up very close to several of those murder sites and they def started giving me the creeps after reading Graysmith’s book in high school.
This is such an amazing movie and thank you for reacting to it. The cast and directing was top notch. I know it's an unpopular opinion but I still believe that the zodiac and the golden state serial killer are one in the same. They had different motives for killing but that was the point. When the zodiac stopped killing the golden state killings started picking up nation wide attention. It's just my own theory.
Zodiac was identified last year.
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Zodiac wasn't identified last year. That was just another of many theories and some other investigators called it bullshit.
GSK is nothing like Zodiac. Their MO's are totally different.
When I first read the book, I was so angry and disappointed at how close they were to getting this guy. The fact that a cop spoke to him face to face and somehow slipped through is so frustrating.
This movie is so underappreciated. This and Seven are neck and neck for my favorite Fincher film.
You guys didn't even put the actual ending into this reaction! "Door to door, that is less than fifty yards" Toschi replies "Is that true?" and Jake looks him dead in the eye and says "I've waked it"...no bueno
Another great serial killer movie is "The Hillside Strangler" it's an older movie but real interesting. It's a true story of an Uncle and his Nephew who killed several people in California.
6:38 Loving the popups
Me too!
Three amazing actors from the MCU.
there has got to be a meme for this
DETECTIVE SMASH!
The Zodiac killer was the first Avenger Level Threat.
Meaningful cooperation between jurisdictions back then was nearly impossible, and not practical unless you had solid leads...like an actual name or a plate number. Crime was usually only reported in local newspapers. Why would you read a newspaper from Vallejo if you lived in San Francisco?
Police departments did not have the resources to notify dozens of other departments within the state every time they found a footprint. Think about it, every day, each individual police station writes up a dozen or so reports and there are probably hundreds of police stations in California. Just 100 stations times a dozen is 1200 reports. Who's going to process 1200 handwritten or typed reports a day looking for evidence or similarities? Not every station was fortunate to even have a photocopy machine.
There's no internet, no websites, no Google, no social media, no cell phones, no JPEG's, no office printers or fax machines, no fingerprint database, no DNA, etc... just rotary phones and switchboard operators. Even 411 information didn't start until 1977.
Cooperation? Not a chance.
Arianna my girl. True crime has been my jam for over 30 years. Fascinated by it and loved this movie.
The actor who played Shorty completely steals every single scene that he is in. What a brilliant comic relief. This guy show be in more movies playing those type characters.
My dad worked at an oil refinery about a mile away from where the first killing took place.
The following night my dad was on top of a tank taking samples when her heard someone shooting. They didn't know then that they were dealing with a serial killer but when you hear someone shooting the night after 2 kids were murdered, you are not going to stand around being a target.
He laid down on the tank making himself as small as possible and used his radio and got them to call the police.
It turned out to be an incredibly stupid armed guard in the industrial park shooting at jackrabbits.
0:10 Love the scarf.
the Mindhunter series on Netflix is amazing
I really enjoyed your reaction to Rocky, so I was stoked to see a reaction for Zodiac pop up in my feed, I've seen it a handful of times and I don't know a whole lot about what went into the making of it, but to me there is just something that feels terribly authentic about it all, and yes a smoking soundtrack full of jams from that era 👍
Zodiac is my favorite David Fincher film. Epic in scope and hyper detail oriented... It's the All The President's Men of Serial Killer movies...
Elias Koteas is a legend. Casey Jones in TMNT 1990
What if Shorty was the zodiac? 17:45 Robert wasn’t ready for that smoke 😂😂😂
Lmao when Robert Graysmith realizes it is Arthur Leigh Allen…..THE DIVORCE PAPERS haha
Ok one more. Midnight Run currently reigns as the funniest movie I’ve ever seen.
okay, judith, there's no right answer to this but to the best of your ability can you please explain why you, and a very obscure but noticable group of people, think midnight run is high hilarity. At best the comedic element was 'mildly amusing'--and I'm truly perplexed, I'm not making fun of you or anyone who thinks that, it just confuses me--one of the funniest men that ever lived, Patrice O'neal, black comic, sadly gone, HE thought it was one of the funniest movies of all time--this was a legitimately funny man and to my lifelong confusion saw something I could not--I know 'everybody sees different things''taste is subjective' blah-blah-blah--please don't answer with bromides. I has to boil down to personality, or worldview, that somehow the charles grodin character was worth more comedically than I first thought--what about grodin do you find funny? is it the deadpan way he irritates deniro, what about that character speaks to you in such a way like it does/did patrice oneal--can you give me five or so other comedies/performances that tickle you to nearly the same degree because then I could maybe zero in on the solution--I'm sorry to go on Judith but I saw your comment and I just went 'That's it! It ends now! I'm getting to the bottoim of this." Any help you could lend would be appreciated, this is a two decade-long thinky pain and maybe it's nothing more than that you knew someone like that. Please.
Yours,
Avery-of-the-Main
Movie bombed in theaters but in the past few years has become a masterpiece of true crime.
Fun fact, for those that don’t know. And forgive me if I’m being morbid. During the production of Zodiac, director David Fincher was originally signed on to direct the 2006 movie The Black Dahlia (which was directed by Brian De Palma) which itself is also based on infamous unsolved murder. The Black Dahlia is based on a book by James Ellroy. Just like how Zodiac is based on a book by Robert Graysmith. And the reason why Fincher dropped out of The Black Dahlia was because of his commitment to Zodiac. For me personally I would’ve loved to see Fincher direct The Black Dahlia. It was unfortunately a critical & commercial failure. Even though, years later in 2013 Fincher co wrote the graphic novel adaptation of the Black Dahlia with comic book writer Matz (who created The Killer graphic novel which became the Netflix film directed by Fincher). And for me personally, I never read the graphic novel but I felt it was Fincher’s original vision for what he wanted to do with the movie. And for me I’m more fascinated by The Black Dahlia than the Zodiac Killer. I’m sorry if anybody does not like my opinion. I love the Zodiac movie but it’s just how I feel.
i live pretty close to the bay area and one halloween i got taken to one of the spots where the zodiac shot the couple from the beginning of the movie, it was creepy because there was a guy in the park from far away watching movie, after a while i was like lets get the hell out of here
One of my High School teachers was in High School during the Zodiac killings and her Mobster dad had two enforcers trailing her and her boyfriend when they were going out on dates for her protection (talk about awkward)
Respect for reacting to this movie, its one of my favourites :)
Nice cranium accessory!
Imagine deciding to write this monolith of a script.
as far as i know it has never been solved, that's something
My favorite version of The Zodiac movies.
I have to say this commentator (Ariana?)is my FAVorite. She brings the Best Balance of Emoting and Intellect.+
Sept. 27 1969
by knife
I remember that very well...
I remember that scene at 24:30 when the officers went to Arthur Leigh's trailer house, in the original cut they searched under his bed and pulled out horse sized dildos. Why they omitted it later is beyond me.
this cast is stacked.
Fun fact: the creepy basement owning projectionist is played by Charles Fleischer, the voice of Roger Rabbit.
Good to see someone intelligent engaging with movies like this! Great channel
I forget that creepy guy with the basement also plays Roger Rabbit. Lol
I think the Zodiac was Arthur Leigh Allen, but there's nothing conclusive.
Thanks for this reaction ! Made my day
What a great movie! It never gets old.
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really feels like i seen a bunch of movies with you! didnt like it at first. But your reactions has made me digg it.
You should really do all of Fincher's movies. He is one of the masters of his craft.
Was this the movie about Ted cruz?
This is one of my favorite movies 😎🕺
I love this reaction. Arianna looks so hot with her 70s bandana. Good job guys!
As good as this film is the special edition dvd/blu-ray release includes a full-length documentary, This Is the Zodiac Speaking, which includes contemporary (2007) appearances by ALL of the surviving victims and police officers. By far the best true crime doc ever made. It also includes an hour long doc about Authur Lee Alan plus lots of archival footage.
Now I'm going to recommend another obscure movie, by Hal Hartley, who makes quirky indie films. "Henry Fool." It's one of my favorites - I've seen it maybe 4 times - and I watch a lot of movies. It's a satire., and extremely funny in a droll deadpan way. and it co-stars Parker Posey! Who doesn't love Parker Posey? She should have her own film festival.
what was scary at the time was they never caught anyone...
We need your reaction to these films - Cast Away, 2000, The Terminal, 2004, Angels & Demons, 2009 !!! :)
The stabbing scene by the lake is once of the most horrible movie kills I've seen. IT's not the most gory or creative but it just feels so blunt and real, especially the way the knife goes in, very accurate.
accurate? Zodiac is that you?
Bro was there
Bryan Harnell, the survivor, himself said, after seeing the movie, how accurate the scene was. He even said that the point where the movie cuts away from Shepherd being stabbed was around the time he himself looked away.
This film is phenomenal and highly underrated. Fincher's best in my opinion.
We know who the zodiac killer is, hes in the US senate and he's representing texas.
Crazy that they never got this killer.
I changed the like count from 666 to 667. I’m so sorry.
Recommend the book as well
The sure sign of a good movie like this is you feel absolute frustration by the end. Zodiac will never be solved but there was an absolute mountain of circumstantial evidence along the way that we all latch on to. It's also just a powerhouse cast bringing this two and a half hour movie along
15:45 bookmark
2:16 Great reaction 😢🤗
they did have glove its just transparent glove
I live 20 minutes from Santa Rosa, and grew up in San Francisco, so this movie always hits home for me...
Daaaaaaang, rockin that outfit 🙌
Another innocent song now made frightening and creepy by the setting it was used in.
Another film with a title starting with a "Z"? "Zero Dark Thirty", definitely reaction worthy. Enjoyed this one very much.
OK two more, fairly well known, both very sad, with exquisite acting and many psychological layers.
1) "The Sweet Hereafter." It won a big award at Cannes. (It stars Sarah Polley, anther indie actress I like.)
2) "Manchester By The Sea." Gut-wrenching. About unimaginable guilt.
This movie made me try an aqua velva... Never looked back. Love this movie but it does suffer from relying on Greysmith's book witch isn't very accurate
What's in an aqua velva drink?
No analysis after the movie?
I left this comment for the other girl but I never saw her react, and I saw two of yours. Just to say I’m not spamming the threads.
I suggest a classic gritty NYC detective film with the best car chase ever and brilliant character actors: the French Connection. I think it’s perfect for you.
Watch the REVENANT with Leonardo!
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Should 100% watch the series Mind Hunter
Dig your solo reactions. SOLO!😆
My favorite true crime movie.
So Mysterio, Hulk and Ironman couldn't catch Zodiac killer. This guy is Thanos' daddy.
the basement scene...
Good movie . Great reaction . Man ... the fist killing at day sight ... hu will do that . And also I would have fought even if he had every advantage. At leat the girl could have gotten away
Amazing movie
This whole 'reaction' phenomenon is completely unfathomable to me. Nice headscarf though, Gypsy Robin. Go get that degree. We're all rootin' for ya.
She knows all about the Zodiac case from true crime podcasts but had no idea what was happening during the film, didn’t know the people involved or the facts of the case. Hmmm.
Less podcasts and more books maybe.