Megyn, my father was a police officer in Atlanta, and was involved with the child murder cases. We lived in a town south of Atlanta. One of the victims was discovered less than two blocks from our house. My father went to the scene and said that this was another victim. The local police would not speak to him and asked him to leave. There was this territorial mentality between departments back then. The victim was later linked to the murders. I believe that this mentality still exists.
Stephen - Per the territorial mentality in those days. I was a cop shop reporter then and didn't even realize how territorial it was until law enforcement practices gradually became more cooperative but, you're right, it still exists.
Yes it appears that Truckee Ca. has exactly what you describe regarding the mysterious death of a 16 yr old girl. I think the children of Atlanta did not get the justice they deserved. God rest thier precious souls. We will not forget them. I think there was more than one murderer lose in Atlanta One is in prison and the other or others got away. Hell doesn't forget it's VIPs either.
The dude who caught the East Area Rapist/Origional Night Stalker, Paul Holes said he almost didn't because Orange County DA's office didn't want to give him DNA and was actively trying to stop him from doing the genealogy that caught him. Law enforcement and prosecution officals shouldn't be elected. Their politicians first, law enforcement 2nd. That's why you get uncooperation and being more worried about votes than catching the bad guy.
@@versetripn6631 - Those topics are of import and we will most assuredly return to them. However, a thought-provoking interview on a riveting subject is a welcomed break.
@@foxtrotjulietbravo5536 who in their right mind spends so much time watching these programs that they could classify a 50 year serial killer story a "WELCOME" anything?? What planet have you been on while white-world has descended and dragged decent people with it?
I'm British and don't know Megyn Kelly, but I was very impressed with her intelligent, eloquent analysis of the recent Johnny Depp trial. I would love to see her do more true crime - her no nonsense interview approach gets to the point fast. I've subbed in hopes she'll cover more notorious cold case murders like this, she's a superb interviewer. That said, she had her work cut out with this guest! Boy did MK have to keep pinning him down on detail, and bringing him back to the point. For someone with a strong theory about the identity of the Zodiac Killer, he was very low on details and specifics. He couldn't even keep the timeline/dates straight, and went off on so many rambling tangents, I think even Megyn was struggling to follow his narrative! I found him very unconvincing. Megyn blew a hole in his theory, by pointing out the Zodiac Killer was evil and sadistic - but this guy's suspect Gary Post was mentally ill after a serious car wreck. That suggests a different kind of offender. This guy countered that with some obscure, anecdotal stories of animal cruelty he supposedly committed! Megyn also asked, very sensibly, wouldn't the Zodiac Killer have confessed to being him on his death bed? There was no such confession, written or otherwise, from Gary Post, and this guy's claims he told a few people he was the Zodiac, and they swore affidavits to that effect, didn't cut the mustard at all! In the absence of any fingerprints, it seems some hair samples are the only possible way this killer's identity could be revealed. Why hasn't it been done already? She raised an excellent question about why the hair samples from a suspect weren't used to create a DNA profile, and a likely facial image of the killer. This cutting edge genealogy work solved the notorious 1984, cold case Aurora hammer murders by Alex Ewing. If you haven't heard of that case, I urge you to search for documentaries on RUclips - the technology that unmasked the killer is utterly mind-blowing! Incidentally, who cares where Jimmy Hoffa's body is? We know he's dead, and the list of suspects is long. It's another shaggy dog story - and this guy is full of them! Such a shame Megyn didn't get a more interesting interviewee - this guy wasn't worth any more than a 4 minute chat! Her short exchange with a cold case detective on the Golden State Killer (Joseph James DeAngelo) was more compelling than the L-O-N-G interview that preceded it! He's right - many suspects can fit a murder circumstantially, but without a concrete link to the crime established by armchair detectives, you cannot believe their theories about the Zodiac Killer.
@@RenataKleinRK You're most welcome! Your reply brought me back to revisit my earlier post. I got it badly wrong, and praised Megyn Kelly unduly. Sadly my faith in Ms Kelly as a true crime journalist was recently shattered, by her appalling, lazy, flabby and feeble interview with John Ramsey. John Ramsey you might recall, is father of the tragic Jonbenet Ramsey, a six year old child found strangled to death by ligature and sexually abused in her own home where she should have been safe, on December 25th/26th 1996. To date, no arrest has been made in that infamous sexually motivated, child strangulation case. The crime has become legend for the corruption and incompetence (but mostly corruption at the highest level), that has let her killer off the hook for 26 years. Jonbenet's parents John and Patsy Ramsey invented a far-fetched 'intruder' story (complete with ridiculous, faked, prop ransom letter), which together with their money and power served its purpose and kept them both out of jail - him as the killer, Patsy as the accomplice in the elaborate cover up of his perverted crime. Megyn Kelly spectacularly failed to challenge John Ramsey, the prime suspect in a world famous, 'unsolved' child murder, even once! Instead Kelly rolled over and gave Ramsey a comfortable, totally uncritical platform for his latest publicity-seeking garbage - his entirely bogus claim that DNA will solve the case. John Ramsey knows it won't - he doesn't want the case solved, because HE killed his daughter Jonbenet - albeit unintentionally - during criminal, high-risk sadistic sexual abuse by asphyxiation with a home-made garrote. Her autopsy (specifically, injuries of various ages/stages of healing to her hymen), uncovered a long history of quote 'chronic, long-term' sexual abuse. As the sole adult male living with Jonbenet, her father John was clearly prime suspect in her serial sexual abuse, and death - he had access and the classic 'MMO' - 'Means, Motive and Opportunity'. The Ramseys sex life ended with Patsy's devastating diagnosis of Stage 4 ovarian cancer in 1993, when she was just 36 years old. Her program of invasive, life-saving medical treatments and drugs ruled out sexual activity, and left her weak, dazed and groggy. John Ramsey exploited his celibate marriage to use daughter Jonbenet as a 'sex surrogate'. Like many paedophiles he was sly, and resisted full intercourse knowing it could identify him personally as the sex abuser. Instead he raped her frequently with fingers and objects (using her as an aid to masturbation). Over time his bedtime sexual abuse of Jonbenet became more sadistic and dangerous, focusing on bondage and asphyxiation torture. Shutting off a consenting adult's oxygen by repeatedly tightening and relaxing a garrote around their throat is risky. Inflicting that torture on a frightened, non-consenting child is Russian roulette. When John Ramsey realised he had gone too far and killed Jonbenet with his elaborately knotted, home fashioned garrote, he threw himself on wife Patsy's mercy to help him cover up his crime and his paedophilia. It was the dirty secret of John Ramsey's child sex abuse, which explains the lengths the couple went to with the 'failed kidnapping' hoax. Patsy worked hard to keep John out of jail, hold onto her marriage and the family she still had, and keep her high-status, privileged lifestyle. A 'Stepford Wife' and cancer survivor, she did not want to lose her Alpha-male husband and protector to a criminal child sex scandal, face the scandal alone, and raising their surviving child 9-year-old son Burke alone as a single parent. So she made a deal with the devil, and chose her husband's liberty, over justice for her heinously abused and strangled daughter. It has been proven far beyond any reasonable doubt that Patsys's hand wrote the fake, 3-page ransom letter. Clearly much of it was dictated to her by John, quoting from his favourite, macho movies 'Dirty Harry', 'Ransom' and 'Speed'. In 1999 the unanimous decision of a grand jury to indict both John and Patsy for child abuse causing the death of Jonbenet, was blocked by corrupt DA Alex Hunter. His intervention stopped the couple being tried in a criminal court, as they 100% should have been (and any ordinary, working class couple in the same situation, undoubtedly would have been). In addition, Hunter made carefully worded public statements, to give the false impression the jury had NOT indicted the Ramseys, but had ruled they had no case to answer - a brazen lie, which John and Patsy Ramsey gleefully repeated to the media at every opportunity. Only following a freedom of information request by dedicated journalists (pursuing the most important function of journalists, establishing truth), was the grand jury's verdict to indict the couple finally, belatedly revealed, a full 14 years later in 2013. It is an outrage that Alex Hunter and the Ramseys were able to falsely claim they had been ruled innocent for fourteen years, knowing full well the men and women of the grand jury were sworn to secrecy and could not publicly contradict their lies! In her recent John Ramsey interview, Megyn Kelly repeated that lie that the grand jury exonerated the Ramseys. What the hell is she playing at? That is a total misrepresentation of the true facts! Kelly is either ignorant of the 2013 revelation that John and Patsy Ramsey absolutely were, 100% BOTH indicted and judged to have a case to answer on the sex killing of their daughter in their home, or she deliberately lied to flatter a suspected child killer. Either way it's not impressive! After her farcical promotional interview with John Ramsey, Megyn Kelly is not worthy of the name 'journalist'.
You always ask great questions to draw out small details, and don't constantly interrupt when your guests answer! Thank you for this, Megyn... what a fascinating man, perspective, and Interview! Great Job!
Love the True Crime series! Small point - Vallejo (No Cal) and Riverside (So Cal) are in no way 4hrs apart, not even back in the day. We’re talking 450 miles apart, so a 7hr drive at least. I was a kid in the SF Bay Area during the Zodiac killings and he put the fear of God in all of us. That and the fact that Kevin Collins disappeared going to school in the Haight without a trace……
I lived in Napa when the zodiac killings happened at Lake Berryessa. Everyone was frightened. My children rode school bus so we drove them to school. Was a frightening time for sure.
@@sarahsimpson8770 we moved from Napa in 1967 but used to visit family every year. I was born there, mom worked at The State Hospital and Dad Mare Island. My uncle lived on Berry Lane just off the Silverado Trail. My mom had a True Crime Addiction and followed this case from the beginning. She had every article and book written about it. So here I am what 40 year's later? She had every True Crime and True Detective magazine. My brother was born in Vallejo 1952. My mom's best friend was also involved in a murder investigation in 1965 I believe that was published in True Detective. Her friends daughters were killed by their father 😢
Thank you. I was a kid in 1969 living in the Presidio of San Francisco. I remember the military police following my school bus because of threats by the Zodiac Killer.
@josey-p That guy answers a question like Kamela Harris ...A big word salad! LoL! Yes he required much interrupting to keep on track! Gary Post met a simpleton girl, without correction! LoL! That guy Megyn was interviewing didn't have a nice bone in his body!
Yes, the guest was too rambling and conflated "his" cases with the confirmed ones. Some of his connections seem to be stretch, or maybe it was his disorganized manner of discussing them.
something that's really freaky is that the zodiac killer sent a letter threatening to murder a pregnant nurse at a hospital in Albany NY in 1972 that he had been stalking. and it just so happened that the hospital was the same one where my mom worked at as a nurse while she was pregnant with me.
That's strange because I've never heard the Zodiac killer left California at all, or like Ted Bundy did cross state lines, or go clear across the country to kill. I know New York had thier own version of the Zodiac killer. You sure it wasn't him?
@johnjamesvSo . .you have that letter, to back up your story or was there more than one pregnant nurse at the hospital! Or is this just an incremental piece of the puzzle! BTW, I had a friend who shook the hand that shook the hand that shook the hand of Michael Jackson! If you get the drift! So are you saying, implying that you're blessed by the fact that the Zodiac wasn't a thorough stalker, and cuz he never delivered on his promise, you are here now! Wow, what a story what a coincidence ! You must wanna write a book or make a documentary about this stuff! Please finish your story, so are saying the pregnant nurse was your mom! Why not ask her about it if she's still around! You should b out of danger now, though compared to when you were just a "twinkle in your father's eye!" LoL!!!
10:38 “Tell me where the city is on that one”. When the supposed expert doesn’t know the city of the first confirmed killing off the top of his head I tend to question exactly what he’s an expert in. This guy is so focused on his theory he’s not even familiar with the facts anymore.
She said the victims names and then he asked her to tell him what city. It could just be his brain recalls details about the crimes relating to the locations rather than the victims.
I thought he came across as surprisingly vague on details a few times - at one point he wasn't even sure which year (by his theory) the killer wrote his last letter to police! It doesn't inspire confidence in his viewpoint.
This guy is an idiot, ...He got all the early 60's murder dates wrong....He said Coppers parachute was in n Oregon , wrong state, it's Washington....He said He too a train to Side from / to Santa Barbara and said it was only moments apart , Google Maps the distance....He said the shooter/ killer changed pistol hammers / firing pins , how the hell does anyone know that as a fact..... His hyperbole is overwhelming.... Look Poste is a good suspect but this guy is killing the theory
Very surprising that this isn't right up there the location. Also seem to have the date wrong of the couple shot on beach, both say 62 yet it was 64. I think if you are doing this the basic facts need to be spot on.
Hi Megyn, Hello from Cork city, Ireland to you and your team for your interesting and thought provoking shows. Thank you for making them and the great interviews of a wide range of guests. It is 10.27pm night-time over here. 🙂🙂👍💫
Mary - Do you know any O'Sullivans from Cork? I had a dear friend, Fr. James J. O'Sullivan, born in Cork. I think he said his father was John O'Sullivan and I met his sister Bridgette (sp?) but called Bridey, who was in the States to visit her brother.
Hello FoxtrotJulietBravo55, I don't know of your late good friend, Fr James J. O'Sullivan. I hope he had a happy and satisfying life in the US. There are tens of thousands of O'Sullivans in Cork city and county. 🙂🙂❣
She is in no man's land, branded as a traitor by the right and not woke enough for the left wing media programs, she has nowere to go for the moment, hope it may change
@@xcen1 Wonder if she makes as much as Don Lemon n Fox anchor Tucker Carlson? She's way up there in views on U-Tube podcast n even delivers her own commercials !
I’ve been studying this case since I was 10 years old (I’m in my 30s) and am in a doctorate program to be a forensic psychology. I thoroughly enjoyed this Megyn!!!! I get annoyed with a lot of zodiac programs, but this was great.
This is a total farce, folks. This guy didn’t know the names of the first victims and had to ask Megyn which city that attack took place in. Unbelievable. Oh, and he thinks Riverside is 3-4 hours away from Vallejo. Yeah, maybe if you’re driving 130 mph. He is not a Zodiac expert. Crazy.
This guy is a joke. I was thinking he didn't seem very knowledgeable, but when I got to that point I knew he was a fraud. The guy is all over the place, and making the rookie mistake of attributing unconfirmed Zodiac kills to his preferred suspect, just to make the evidence fit together the way he wants it too. I'm only 20 minutes in and I really don't think I can continue listening to a self proclaimed expert, who is too busy practicing his Olympian level mental gymnastics, that he can't even remember where the first two victims were murdered.
Hello from Thailand, I've been listening for sometimes and really like your show, such a thought provoking.. I wish we have show like this in Thailand.👏👍🙏
Yeah, just listened and found him lacking the credibility of other guests on true crime episodes. Not enough solid details in his answers to questions about why certain obvious investigation points weren’t undertaken by the original detectives. He keeps going back to the “primitive times” answer. Yeah, technology/DNA techniques have advanced things incredibly, but the investigators weren’t apes. Also, not sure why there should be so much resistance to his team’s theories/requests for evidence. Surely, they would be pursued/granted if credible…. 🤷🏽♂️
This guy is in love with the fact he thinks that he knows who Zodiac is but it’s just speculation on circumstantial evidence. I believe this guy knows who Zodiac is as much as I believe he doesn’t color his hair.
Because he's full of shit. His supposed team of "experts" are nothing more than youtubers. Now, don't get me wrong here. It doesn't take much to be able to solve a crime. Anyone with any common sense can solve a crime. Most youtubers certainly qualify as having average level of common sense, BUT and it's a big but; police have information they will NOT make public to youtubers. Also, let us not forget, people the zodiac attacked survived. Just as people the son of Sam survived. If the zodiac had even been close to being identified the survivors would and could very easily say, "yes, that's the guy. Yes, the guy in that photo looks exactly like the guy who attacked me. " yet, we don't have that in the zodiac case. Also, if life to point out, everyone who survived the son of Sam killing said David Burkawitz was NOT the man who attacked them. They all identified the sons of Sam who lived on king street. Also let us not forget David Burkawitz originally said he was innocent but refused to tell who did the killings or if fear. It was only later they claimed he confessed. Then later they claimed he said multiple people were involved. In my mind the CIA orchestrated the zodiac killings. Let us not forget we do have DNA, not only from the letters and stamps, but also from the watch and the car of the solo female stabbing. I suggest it wasn't one person but several different average looking non descriptive males within the CIA or FBI. If anyone believes the cia and fbi doesn't do this type of shit doesn't know the cia and fbi. Anyway, at the time they were trying to pass a new crime bill. However, the public was adamantly against it. Absolutely raised hell against the passing of this crime bill. Then the zodiac came out. Low and behold the crime bill was passed and the zodiac killings stopped. Just like the patriot act. The public was adamantly against the passing of the patriot act. We fought it tough and nail. Chives tried to pass it 5 times before 9/11. Then supposed terrorists whom actually lived with FBI agents, no shit, they actually lived with fbi agents; take magical planes on a day they somehow knew top secret data about war training games, flew into buildings without leaving a single peice of aircraft behind and somehow they all had magical fuel on board that could melt steel of buildings designed to withstand direct hits by jets and aircraft. Within the same week the patriot act was signed which usurped all American freedoms granted by the constitution. The next time someone tells you soldiers defend freedom, ask them where these soldiers were when the patriot act was signed. Ask them where they were when the constitution was illegaly ratified. All them where they are when every text, phone call, purchase, etc is being listened to. Ask them where they are Americans are being arrested for jan 6. Why does the fbi have the hairs and dna of the zodiac and haven't tested it and ran it against familiar dna database. The cia and fbi did this.
I've followed this case for many years and 3 years ago i was with family member in Vallego and we drove onto Lake Herman Rd. to the 1st place the couple were murdered. As i walked to the driveway I sensed that evil and a spooky vibe. We got back in the car and left quickly. The road was being re-paved and it took longer to get back on wider road.
If you watch the movie, Zodiac, directed by the great David Fincher, you will really see a close resemblance of what really happened. Fincher and his team made sure the facts were there in the movie. It’s a great movie. So well done. The best movie that’s ever been done of Zodiac. No doubt.
Rare to find an American movie which is accurate..... And not changed to '' based on real life events' if a story should be told.... Tell it, we don't need additional car chases, explosions, love stories..... Just tell us what happen
Years later now have proven this guy Colbert is full of it . He hasn't produced 1 single thing .. he talked about . Not a single piece of evidence ! not the shell casings , the stuff buried in the mountains , or anything at all . he didn't even get the documentary he said was coming . And that was likely because he had nothing credible to convince a big channel , to invest in his "zodiac" suspect . The whole thing is a joke
I love when you do crime type reporting and no political stuff Megyn. I check your youtubes to see if you got anything like this (Jon Bonet Ramsey, Patricia Clark on Oj Simpson trial, the one on crazies like Chris Watts, escaping Scientology …) You know how to ask the questions! Great job Megyn 👏🏽
Always been fascinated with the Zodiac case and often wondered if the Santa Barbara double murder was really a part of the case as well.. also wonder if as many years that have gone by, if it is just unsolvable. I could be wrong but wasn’t the Manson murders going on at the same time as the Zodiac killings? Were both high profile cases both on the news back then? That would’ve been terrifying for Cali..
@@MsVanorak hey! Look up the Robert Domingos/Linda Edwards case in Santa Barbara CA… from 1963. They say more than likely it was Zodiac in his earlier days that committed the murders!
Excellent job Megyn. I’ve followed the Zodiac case for many years. Unlike most, I don’t believe Zodiac was a single person. Rather, Zodiac was a composite of 2-3 killers communicating with each other but working separately. It was a game with each killer trying to one-up each other in the name of Zodiac. My multiple person theory also explains the similarities and also the differences and inconsistencies in the murders. The “2-3 member Zodiac club” of killers (if you’ll accept that term) knew law enforcement would be searching for a single serial killer, not multiple people. When a murder occurred, the others would have an alibi, eliminating them as a “Zodiac” suspect in the minds of police and FBI. The Zodiacs used police investigative methods to their advantage in an atttempt to commit (in their minds) the perfect crime. Anyway, that’s my theory which hasn’t been proven wrong.
Highly unlikely - serial killers are lone wolves. And if these killings were the work of 2-3 people, the odds they would have been caught by now rocket!
I absolutely love her show. It is interesting and always to the point. What really intrigues me is her beauty though. Megan, you are absolutely gorgeous. Keep doing what you do.
What really sucks is when the person is found to be dead for years. The Zodiac movie from 2007 still remains my all time favorite film. I'm glad though however that the other high profile killer was finally found the Golden state killer after more than 40 years. Who knows what crimes we will solve in the future with technology getting better every single year, maybe someday we will be able to solve crimes long thought unsolvable.
I didn’t listen to the entire podcast, but the guest stated that there is no fingerprint evidence at any crime scene. What about the bloody fingerprint recovered from Paul Stein’s taxi at the San Fran killing?
I enjoy crime stories. It must be from reading Nancy Drew books ...haha. I am looking forward to your shows this week. Thank you for your choice of interesting topics.
Agreed. I didn't find him very credible. With a group comprising 1500 years of experience, it is unfortunate they can't find a better spokesperson. It appears that this was about humping his book, which reviews say is similarly incoherent.
. I've never caught her being 'sensationalist', and even her _commercials_ are tolerable. My favorite female journalist for general and US issues. Great work!
A handwriting analysis and comparison between the letter f found in the word "knife" on the white Karmann Ghia car and the letter f found in the word "find" on the riverside desk would show them to be virtually identical. I'm convinced Riverside is a Zodiac.
Just an FYI: Riverside, Ca. is between 6 1/2 - 7 1/2 hours (depending on the route taken) from Vallejo, Ca. Tom thought it was 3 hours between the two cities.
This guy says Riverside and Vallejo are 3-4 hours apart “in those days”. That statement alone discredits him in my opinion. It’s actually 440 miles and nearly 7 hours today in a modern vehicle with higher speed limits and more freeways. I would say it was an 8 hour drive in the early to mid 60s
@ryry32 Jon Benet was sexually assulted, strangled and blugeoned to death. Burt was too young to have done all of those things. So who does that leave? It leaves John Ramsey.
@ryry32 Burt inadvertently killed her by hitting her over the head after she ate his bowl of pineapple. Parents covered it up to protect their only remaining child and their image. Burt had significant jealousy and anger issues, not surprisingly given the parental attention his sister rec’d. Looks to have a touch of autism as well which enabled the parent’s to justify their cover-up scheme.
I hope this doesn’t sound odd or strange, but I hope to see more videos like this from Megan. Ngl, I had never watched much of her on Big Media before RUclips recommended her channel a couple of weeks ago, and I quite enjoy her thought process and politics. After binge-watching several videos, I realized her (and her diverse guests) commentary is far more nuanced than nefarious, and I agree with the majority of her carefully considered and formed takes on topics former or current. I'm a bit embarrassed I let past out-of-context clips on YT create a predisposition about you. I hope you continue to gain success on YT, developing your own platform. You've earned a fan in me! Thanks for speaking so openly and honestly. ♥️♥️♥️♥️
I love her!! actually really think she would be great doing true crime stuff...my fave is Keith Morrison because of his voice being really calm . Megyn is really versatile and intelligent
I am a little behind on this podcast because I have been concentrating on online news regarding Leticia James (New York City), Fani Willis (Atlanta) and Tiffany Henyard (Dolton Illinois). Before that, I was listening to news on my way to & fro work. Now that I am retired and discovered RUclips, podcasts and online news, I'm up in it., up in stuff I was interested in but didn't have time for. I'm on the Zodiac Killer now. Been reading and reviewing everything for days and weeks. I found Gary Francis Poste as the most feasible of the Zodiac suspects so far. I sure hope someone gets some DNA proof soon. Thanks for your work, Mr Colbert.
Agreed, Megyn is superb - but unfortunately this guy was a duff guest, who weirdly didn't know his subject well enough despite having such a strong theory on the killer's identity!
Fascinating story Megyn so again u hit it outta the park 👏🏻i will follow this to it's end, very interesting story so thank you again MK for bringing on "The Case Breakers" Tom Colbert who's brilliant and let's not forget "he's got the hairs" Good luck w it Tom🤞🏻👍🏻🍀♥️
Megyn Kelly is a master. Anybody else would have a murderous time trying to make sense of this guy's answers. He is so freaking obscure with his references. He says they and them and the Posse and all these references that make no sense and you have to drag out the meaning and Megyn does a great job. Only MK could make this an interesting interview.
It still was a confusing rambling interview. Not one of the best, sorry to say. (Not Megyn's fault; she did a good job considering what she had to work with.)
Stephen Taylor these cases could have been solved but without territorial mentality! I remember when we first learned re zodiac killer it did not make sense! ? Thank you Meghan you’re doing a Great Job! 🌺
Ross Sullivan was in her class , worked at library wore military clothes , studied code and fits e fit to a tea , where she was killed was inbetween two empty house that the library used for storage , so someone who worked there knew how quite he was , he also never turn up for school for a couple of weeks from the day after the killing . Also in that town there was a hardware store selling zodiac hardware and there sign was in the same format as the letter where he said he was collecting souls for the after life . He also moved to Cali just before the killings and also knew one of the other female victims . Lawerance Kane also worked at that base
I'm with you 100%. If you look at Ross Sullivan's handwriting samples which are available online and then compare it to the zodiacs handwriting (A lot of the earlier writings especially because the later ones change) It is uncanny how close they are. Someone need to DNA test one of those hairs and one of Ross's relatives.
This guy lost credibility when he claimed that Riverside is "about 3 hours" from Vallejo. Yikes, clearly he has zero idea of the geography of the state....it's more like 10 hours with minimal traffic.
Megyn, thank you so much for keeping this conversation is trade. This investigator seems very smart but he knows so much information we don't know and he goes from a-z where we need to know philbin ABCDE etcetera so thank you for keeping everything in order
Unless there's actual DNA or balistic evidence that matches up with the orginal murders, I take any new theories about the potential identity of the Zodiac with a huge pinch of salt. Writing so-called true crime bestsellers is big business in itself. Tom Colbert talks about locating the spot where the weapons and masks are buried, so until his team dig them up and prove unequivocally that his suspect is the real culprit by balstic characteristic evidence, I think he should keep this stuff to himself. Or will this turn out to be another huge nothing burger, like all the other theories?
Oceanside and Santa Barbara are not close at all. Probably a three hour drive from one to the other at a minimum. How is linking the two by saying that he was stationed at a base in Santa Barbara that is only 5 minutes from the murder scene of the cab driver in Oceanside?
That's because DB and Z moved north to Seattle and then parted ways. DB jumped out of a good jet and the chute really did not open fully and he landed on Hoffa.
Exactly. Matching scars on a composite drawing given by the robbins kids who saw zodiac from 60 ft at night? Ridiculous. Those lines in the picture are simply an artist rendition of the guys forehead
He actually changed up the code to be read right and down (4 across/3 down). When he did it military style, it was deciphered quickly. The symbols might have been a little different also.
Megyn, great interview on the Zodiac Killer. Just wanted to share Benicia is pronounced Be-neee-sha When I was listening to the podcast I was trying to pronounce it for you LOL. Love your show!
Zodiac or not this suspect was very interesting. Fascinating and disturbing case, i hope they can get the DNA. Searching for the truth in never an embarrassment.
But the Riverside case isn’t a Gary Poste case. Ross Sullivan worked in the exact library where Cheri was in, was disliked by the entire staff because of his stand offish personality, was rebuffed by Cheri when she refused to date him, and Ross wore an army jacket and army boots! Plus he also had a VW. I could go on but this smug guy obviously didn’t know about Ross Sullivan.😂
Agreed! Thank you for saying so. 15 minutes into this, I was thinking, "Is this me, or is it he who is not making sense?" All he seem to have is a presumed m.o., and similar calibers of two guns. That is basically nothing.
At 25:00 he really makes no sense, as Megyn points out a totally different m.o., and he not only is fine with that, but chalks it up to the Zodiac's intelligence, He has zero logic or credibility as an investigator now. Megyn has to keep explaining his claims, which she does much more clearly.
He is all over the place and she did a good job of keeping the conversation on track as best as she could. It might be because he has researched this so much and has so much information he has trouble simplifying things.
Agree with idea that Zodiac was not a single man but a Serial Killer Society. Their only motive was to partake in the " Most Dangerous Game " . By the way, the Zodiac and " his " threat to kill innocent school children on a bus, was the inspiration for Scorpio in Dirty Harry ( 1971 ) .
I'm an artist and I like to listen to Megyn while I work on my paintings, I find her to be an excellent interviewer, intelligent, personable, engaging and entertaining. This was the first time I've ever had to turn off the video. Not because of anything either Megyn or her guest said or did but because when he describes the man he suspects of being the Zodiac Killer, and how he recruited and groomed young men in CO and the hunting photos of this man, I was so viscerally impacted by his description I very nearly threw up. The man he describes, the photos and behavior so closely resembles photos and behavior of a former childhood friend, one I strongly suspect is a diagnosable psychopath - who was also obsessed with serial killers, particularly the Zodiac- that I couldn't continue to listen. In a strange way, I supose my reaction is a testament to Megyn's excellent interview skills. I will definitely continue to listen to Megyn's podcasts, just not this particular one.
I remember this so clearly. I was sent to a private school because I couldn't read. Now it's called Dyslexia. I'd stand on a corner waiting & waiting alone &worry I would be shot. I was 10 ish.
I was excited when I saw the title - however I was extremely disappointed with the guest. He didn’t seem super knowledgeable about the zodiac, and he was convinced it was Gary. He didn’t provide a definitive evidence. Every claim he made was completely circumstantial. The killer was almost certainly Arthur Lee Allen - he was positively identified by Mike Magoo. And the confirmed letters stopped and showing up while Allen was in prison.
Megyn, my father was a police officer in Atlanta, and was involved with the child murder cases. We lived in a town south of Atlanta. One of the victims was discovered less than two blocks from our house. My father went to the scene and said that this was another victim. The local police would not speak to him and asked him to leave. There was this territorial mentality between departments back then. The victim was later linked to the murders. I believe that this mentality still exists.
Wow…bless you for sharing.
Stephen - Per the territorial mentality in those days. I was a cop shop reporter then and didn't even realize how territorial it was until law enforcement practices gradually became more cooperative but, you're right, it still exists.
and that is why I think Zodiac was a cop, the killer knew this territorial mentality you post of would botch investigations
Yes it appears that Truckee Ca. has exactly what you describe regarding the mysterious death of a 16 yr old girl. I think the children of Atlanta did not get the justice they deserved. God rest thier precious souls. We will not forget them. I think there was more than one murderer lose in Atlanta
One is in prison and the other or others got away. Hell doesn't forget it's VIPs either.
The dude who caught the East Area Rapist/Origional Night Stalker, Paul Holes said he almost didn't because Orange County DA's office didn't want to give him DNA and was actively trying to stop him from doing the genealogy that caught him. Law enforcement and prosecution officals shouldn't be elected. Their politicians first, law enforcement 2nd. That's why you get uncooperation and being more worried about votes than catching the bad guy.
I can't believe I'm hearing an actual story thats not politics. Thank you! You are a great reporter
I'd love to see Megyn Kelly do more true crime on this channel, she's a natural and cuts to the chase so brilliantly.
This is such NONSENSE...
As a true crime enthusiast, I'm loving today's topic
I came across a book in the library they showed a letter written by the Zodiac killer his handwriting was very creepy.
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Are you? Are you though?
It’s nice to not have politics as the focus all the time
Does that include Ukraine, COVID and guns?
@@versetripn6631 yes
@@versetripn6631 - Those topics are of import and we will most assuredly return to them. However, a thought-provoking interview on a riveting subject is a welcomed break.
@@foxtrotjulietbravo5536 1) I was being sarcastic which these days is less obvious if a small yellow creep-mask is not attached
@@foxtrotjulietbravo5536 who in their right mind spends so much time watching these programs that they could classify a 50 year serial killer story a "WELCOME" anything??
What planet have you been on while white-world has descended and dragged decent people with it?
Youre a strong woman and i appreciate your direct manner of speaking and your fearlessly honest opinions.
Love these crime specials! Megyn does a fantastic job asking the pertinent questions.
Megyn is amazing she says and asks perfect stuff no work arounds nothing just straight i love it.
I'm British and don't know Megyn Kelly, but I was very impressed with her intelligent, eloquent analysis of the recent Johnny Depp trial. I would love to see her do more true crime - her no nonsense interview approach gets to the point fast. I've subbed in hopes she'll cover more notorious cold case murders like this, she's a superb interviewer.
That said, she had her work cut out with this guest! Boy did MK have to keep pinning him down on detail, and bringing him back to the point. For someone with a strong theory about the identity of the Zodiac Killer, he was very low on details and specifics. He couldn't even keep the timeline/dates straight, and went off on so many rambling tangents, I think even Megyn was struggling to follow his narrative! I found him very unconvincing.
Megyn blew a hole in his theory, by pointing out the Zodiac Killer was evil and sadistic - but this guy's suspect Gary Post was mentally ill after a serious car wreck. That suggests a different kind of offender. This guy countered that with some obscure, anecdotal stories of animal cruelty he supposedly committed!
Megyn also asked, very sensibly, wouldn't the Zodiac Killer have confessed to being him on his death bed? There was no such confession, written or otherwise, from Gary Post, and this guy's claims he told a few people he was the Zodiac, and they swore affidavits to that effect, didn't cut the mustard at all! In the absence of any fingerprints, it seems some hair samples are the only possible way this killer's identity could be revealed. Why hasn't it been done already?
She raised an excellent question about why the hair samples from a suspect weren't used to create a DNA profile, and a likely facial image of the killer. This cutting edge genealogy work solved the notorious 1984, cold case Aurora hammer murders by Alex Ewing. If you haven't heard of that case, I urge you to search for documentaries on RUclips - the technology that unmasked the killer is utterly mind-blowing!
Incidentally, who cares where Jimmy Hoffa's body is? We know he's dead, and the list of suspects is long. It's another shaggy dog story - and this guy is full of them! Such a shame Megyn didn't get a more interesting interviewee - this guy wasn't worth any more than a 4 minute chat!
Her short exchange with a cold case detective on the Golden State Killer (Joseph James DeAngelo) was more compelling than the L-O-N-G interview that preceded it! He's right - many suspects can fit a murder circumstantially, but without a concrete link to the crime established by armchair detectives, you cannot believe their theories about the Zodiac Killer.
Totally agree
Yeah he's a jerk also.
He's awful ! Maybe he writes better than he speaks.
@@RenataKleinRK You're most welcome! Your reply brought me back to revisit my earlier post. I got it badly wrong, and praised Megyn Kelly unduly.
Sadly my faith in Ms Kelly as a true crime journalist was recently shattered, by her appalling, lazy, flabby and feeble interview with John Ramsey.
John Ramsey you might recall, is father of the tragic Jonbenet Ramsey, a six year old child found strangled to death by ligature and sexually abused in her own home where she should have been safe, on December 25th/26th 1996. To date, no arrest has been made in that infamous sexually motivated, child strangulation case.
The crime has become legend for the corruption and incompetence (but mostly corruption at the highest level), that has let her killer off the hook for 26 years.
Jonbenet's parents John and Patsy Ramsey invented a far-fetched 'intruder' story (complete with ridiculous, faked, prop ransom letter), which together with their money and power served its purpose and kept them both out of jail - him as the killer, Patsy as the accomplice in the elaborate cover up of his perverted crime.
Megyn Kelly spectacularly failed to challenge John Ramsey, the prime suspect in a world famous, 'unsolved' child murder, even once!
Instead Kelly rolled over and gave Ramsey a comfortable, totally uncritical platform for his latest publicity-seeking garbage - his entirely bogus claim that DNA will solve the case. John Ramsey knows it won't - he doesn't want the case solved, because HE killed his daughter Jonbenet - albeit unintentionally - during criminal, high-risk sadistic sexual abuse by asphyxiation with a home-made garrote. Her autopsy (specifically, injuries of various ages/stages of healing to her hymen), uncovered a long history of quote 'chronic, long-term' sexual abuse.
As the sole adult male living with Jonbenet, her father John was clearly prime suspect in her serial sexual abuse, and death - he had access and the classic 'MMO' - 'Means, Motive and Opportunity'. The Ramseys sex life ended with Patsy's devastating diagnosis of Stage 4 ovarian cancer in 1993, when she was just 36 years old. Her program of invasive, life-saving medical treatments and drugs ruled out sexual activity, and left her weak, dazed and groggy. John Ramsey exploited his celibate marriage to use daughter Jonbenet as a 'sex surrogate'.
Like many paedophiles he was sly, and resisted full intercourse knowing it could identify him personally as the sex abuser. Instead he raped her frequently with fingers and objects (using her as an aid to masturbation). Over time his bedtime sexual abuse of Jonbenet became more sadistic and dangerous, focusing on bondage and asphyxiation torture.
Shutting off a consenting adult's oxygen by repeatedly tightening and relaxing a garrote around their throat is risky. Inflicting that torture on a frightened, non-consenting child is Russian roulette. When John Ramsey realised he had gone too far and killed Jonbenet with his elaborately knotted, home fashioned garrote, he threw himself on wife Patsy's mercy to help him cover up his crime and his paedophilia. It was the dirty secret of John Ramsey's child sex abuse, which explains the lengths the couple went to with the 'failed kidnapping' hoax.
Patsy worked hard to keep John out of jail, hold onto her marriage and the family she still had, and keep her high-status, privileged lifestyle. A 'Stepford Wife' and cancer survivor, she did not want to lose her Alpha-male husband and protector to a criminal child sex scandal, face the scandal alone, and raising their surviving child 9-year-old son Burke alone as a single parent. So she made a deal with the devil, and chose her husband's liberty, over justice for her heinously abused and strangled daughter.
It has been proven far beyond any reasonable doubt that Patsys's hand wrote the fake, 3-page ransom letter. Clearly much of it was dictated to her by John, quoting from his favourite, macho movies 'Dirty Harry', 'Ransom' and 'Speed'.
In 1999 the unanimous decision of a grand jury to indict both John and Patsy for child abuse causing the death of Jonbenet, was blocked by corrupt DA Alex Hunter. His intervention stopped the couple being tried in a criminal court, as they 100% should have been (and any ordinary, working class couple in the same situation, undoubtedly would have been).
In addition, Hunter made carefully worded public statements, to give the false impression the jury had NOT indicted the Ramseys, but had ruled they had no case to answer - a brazen lie, which John and Patsy Ramsey gleefully repeated to the media at every opportunity.
Only following a freedom of information request by dedicated journalists (pursuing the most important function of journalists, establishing truth), was the grand jury's verdict to indict the couple finally, belatedly revealed, a full 14 years later in 2013.
It is an outrage that Alex Hunter and the Ramseys were able to falsely claim they had been ruled innocent for fourteen years, knowing full well the men and women of the grand jury were sworn to secrecy and could not publicly contradict their lies!
In her recent John Ramsey interview, Megyn Kelly repeated that lie that the grand jury exonerated the Ramseys. What the hell is she playing at? That is a total misrepresentation of the true facts!
Kelly is either ignorant of the 2013 revelation that John and Patsy Ramsey absolutely were, 100% BOTH indicted and judged to have a case to answer on the sex killing of their daughter in their home, or she deliberately lied to flatter a suspected child killer.
Either way it's not impressive! After her farcical promotional interview with John Ramsey, Megyn Kelly is not worthy of the name 'journalist'.
Wow
You always ask great questions to draw out small details, and don't constantly interrupt when your guests answer! Thank you for this, Megyn... what a fascinating man, perspective, and Interview! Great Job!
Love the true crime shows. You’re great at it too!
Love the True Crime series! Small point - Vallejo (No Cal) and Riverside (So Cal) are in no way 4hrs apart, not even back in the day. We’re talking 450 miles apart, so a 7hr drive at least.
I was a kid in the SF Bay Area during the Zodiac killings and he put the fear of God in all of us. That and the fact that Kevin Collins disappeared going to school in the Haight without a trace……
I lived in Napa when the zodiac killings happened at Lake Berryessa. Everyone was frightened. My children rode school bus so we drove them to school. Was a frightening time for sure.
@@sarahsimpson8770 we moved from Napa in 1967 but used to visit family every year. I was born there, mom worked at The State Hospital and Dad Mare Island. My uncle lived on Berry Lane just off the Silverado Trail. My mom had a True Crime Addiction and followed this case from the beginning. She had every article and book written about it.
So here I am what 40 year's later?
She had every True Crime and True Detective magazine.
My brother was born in Vallejo 1952.
My mom's best friend was also involved in a murder investigation in 1965 I believe that was published in True Detective. Her friends daughters were killed by their father 😢
Thank you. I was a kid in 1969 living in the Presidio of San Francisco. I remember the military police following my school bus because of threats by the Zodiac Killer.
Wow.
When I smell BS on an answer I'm amazed that you push on it, because most journalists/interviewers don't do it, great show!
Absolutely!
@josey-p That guy answers a question like Kamela Harris ...A big word salad! LoL! Yes he required much interrupting to keep on track! Gary Post met a simpleton girl, without correction! LoL! That guy Megyn was interviewing didn't have a nice bone in his body!
@@KevinSean116I like her statement..." Long story short!" very good , now please cut the ads! and we'll b happier! LoL,! Anybody notice?
I have just discovered your pod casts recently. I am so impressed as to how you so systematically control your interviews with so much intelligence.
That was a masterclass in keeping an interviewee on track, lol. I was losing the thread, so were you, you brought it back. Brilliant job.
Hear-hear!
Yes, the guest was too rambling and conflated "his" cases with the confirmed ones. Some of his connections seem to be stretch, or maybe it was his disorganized manner of discussing them.
This guest isn’t the best story teller
something that's really freaky is that the zodiac killer sent a letter threatening to murder a pregnant nurse at a hospital in Albany NY in 1972 that he had been stalking. and it just so happened that the hospital was the same one where my mom worked at as a nurse while she was pregnant with me.
That's strange because I've never heard the Zodiac killer left California at all, or like Ted Bundy did cross state lines, or go clear across the country to kill. I know New York had thier own version of the Zodiac killer. You sure it wasn't him?
Wow ,, now that is Krazy !!!
@johnjamesvSo . .you have that letter, to back up your story or was there more than one pregnant nurse at the hospital! Or is this just an incremental piece of the puzzle! BTW, I had a friend who shook the hand that shook the hand that shook the hand of Michael Jackson! If you get the drift! So are you saying, implying that you're blessed by the fact that the Zodiac wasn't a thorough stalker, and cuz he never delivered on his promise, you are here now! Wow, what a story what a coincidence ! You must wanna write a book or make a documentary about this stuff! Please finish your story, so are saying the pregnant nurse was your mom! Why not ask her about it if she's still around! You should b out of danger now, though compared to when you were just a "twinkle in your father's eye!" LoL!!!
10:38 “Tell me where the city is on that one”. When the supposed expert doesn’t know the city of the first confirmed killing off the top of his head I tend to question exactly what he’s an expert in. This guy is so focused on his theory he’s not even familiar with the facts anymore.
She said the victims names and then he asked her to tell him what city. It could just be his brain recalls details about the crimes relating to the locations rather than the victims.
I thought he came across as surprisingly vague on details a few times - at one point he wasn't even sure which year (by his theory) the killer wrote his last letter to police! It doesn't inspire confidence in his viewpoint.
My thoughts EXACTLY!!! wtf
This guy is an idiot, ...He got all the early 60's murder dates wrong....He said Coppers parachute was in n Oregon , wrong state, it's Washington....He said He too a train to Side from / to Santa Barbara and said it was only moments apart , Google Maps the distance....He said the shooter/ killer changed pistol hammers / firing pins , how the hell does anyone know that as a fact..... His hyperbole is overwhelming.... Look Poste is a good suspect but this guy is killing the theory
Very surprising that this isn't right up there the location. Also seem to have the date wrong of the couple shot on beach, both say 62 yet it was 64. I think if you are doing this the basic facts need to be spot on.
Love your show Megyn!! Just discovered it a few weeks ago and I’m hooked. 😊
Thank you for this episode Ms Megyn Kelly.
Hi Megyn, Hello from Cork city, Ireland to you and your team for your interesting and thought provoking shows. Thank you for making them and the great interviews of a wide range of guests. It is 10.27pm night-time over here. 🙂🙂👍💫
My ancestors are from Cork. 🍀
@@deja_vu.. Didn't you just say that!?! :D
Where’s the best place to visit in Ireland 🇮🇪? (Mom/teen daughter)🌍
Mary - Do you know any O'Sullivans from Cork? I had a dear friend, Fr. James J. O'Sullivan, born in Cork. I think he said his father was John O'Sullivan and I met his sister Bridgette (sp?) but called Bridey, who was in the States to visit her brother.
Hello FoxtrotJulietBravo55, I don't know of your late good friend, Fr James J. O'Sullivan. I hope he had a happy and satisfying life in the US. There are tens of thousands of O'Sullivans in Cork city and county. 🙂🙂❣
More true crime episodes please!
I wish Megyn was back on prime-time TV. She deserves and we deserve it.
eeh screw TV, let them go extinct... this is better....
@Pyar Lol
@Pyar Than why did you watch it? And why does she have no business talking about the Zodiac?
She is in no man's land, branded as a traitor by the right and not woke enough for the left wing media programs, she has nowere to go for the moment, hope it may change
@@xcen1 Wonder if she makes as much as Don Lemon n Fox anchor Tucker Carlson? She's way up there in views on U-Tube podcast n even delivers her own commercials !
I think it is important for the families that the hairs and any evidence be utilized in DNA, etc. They need to know who killed their family.
As much as I enjoy your political discussions, I always look forward to your periodic crime shows. Bravo!
I don't know how much I trust the FBI to do the right thing anymore Megyn
There very corrupt!( Always there agendas)!!!
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I’ve been studying this case since I was 10 years old (I’m in my 30s) and am in a doctorate program to be a forensic psychology. I thoroughly enjoyed this Megyn!!!! I get annoyed with a lot of zodiac programs, but this was great.
Pat Brown, she's a criminal profiler, she did a great episode about it on her channel.
This is a total farce, folks. This guy didn’t know the names of the first victims and had to ask Megyn which city that attack took place in. Unbelievable.
Oh, and he thinks Riverside is 3-4 hours away from Vallejo. Yeah, maybe if you’re driving 130 mph.
He is not a Zodiac expert.
Crazy.
Absolutely!! he doesn’t know what he’s talking about!
Thank you for stopping your guests to ask for clarification and then summarize what they meant to say. You seem to read my mind. It is so helpful.
@Kristen What a commenter should b saying "except when needing interrupting!" which is fairly often"
Too many ads! Way too many!
“We have an expert here on the zodiac case”
Megan: “let’s talk about the first police confirmed zodiac killing”
Expert: “what city was that again?”
This guy is a joke. I was thinking he didn't seem very knowledgeable, but when I got to that point I knew he was a fraud.
The guy is all over the place, and making the rookie mistake of attributing unconfirmed Zodiac kills to his preferred suspect, just to make the evidence fit together the way he wants it too.
I'm only 20 minutes in and I really don't think I can continue listening to a self proclaimed expert, who is too busy practicing his Olympian level mental gymnastics, that he can't even remember where the first two victims were murdered.
@@VitZ9 if you didn’t make it, it didn’t get any better.
@@VitZ9 Do you not think Poste had to do with the Ray Davis murder? It seems related to the Dominguez/Edwards and Swindle murders.
He is pretty bad.
@@VitZ9 I agree. I didn't enjoy listening to this man.
Great video! The number of murders going on in CA at this time is shocking.
Hello from Thailand, I've been listening for sometimes and really like your show, such a thought provoking.. I wish we have show like this in Thailand.👏👍🙏
Megyn did a great job but this guy doesn’t answer the questions asked and doesn’t tell the story of their investigation well
Yeah, just listened and found him lacking the credibility of other guests on true crime episodes. Not enough solid details in his answers to questions about why certain obvious investigation points weren’t undertaken by the original detectives. He keeps going back to the “primitive times” answer. Yeah, technology/DNA techniques have advanced things incredibly, but the investigators weren’t apes. Also, not sure why there should be so much resistance to his team’s theories/requests for evidence. Surely, they would be pursued/granted if credible…. 🤷🏽♂️
That’s because he doesn’t know what he’s talking about and is too easily swayed by circumstantial evidence.
This guy is in love with the fact he thinks that he knows who Zodiac is but it’s just speculation on circumstantial evidence. I believe this guy knows who Zodiac is as much as I believe he doesn’t color his hair.
i googled zodiac and he was Debunked
Because he's full of shit. His supposed team of "experts" are nothing more than youtubers. Now, don't get me wrong here. It doesn't take much to be able to solve a crime. Anyone with any common sense can solve a crime. Most youtubers certainly qualify as having average level of common sense, BUT and it's a big but; police have information they will NOT make public to youtubers. Also, let us not forget, people the zodiac attacked survived. Just as people the son of Sam survived. If the zodiac had even been close to being identified the survivors would and could very easily say, "yes, that's the guy. Yes, the guy in that photo looks exactly like the guy who attacked me. " yet, we don't have that in the zodiac case.
Also, if life to point out, everyone who survived the son of Sam killing said David Burkawitz was NOT the man who attacked them. They all identified the sons of Sam who lived on king street. Also let us not forget David Burkawitz originally said he was innocent but refused to tell who did the killings or if fear. It was only later they claimed he confessed. Then later they claimed he said multiple people were involved.
In my mind the CIA orchestrated the zodiac killings. Let us not forget we do have DNA, not only from the letters and stamps, but also from the watch and the car of the solo female stabbing. I suggest it wasn't one person but several different average looking non descriptive males within the CIA or FBI. If anyone believes the cia and fbi doesn't do this type of shit doesn't know the cia and fbi.
Anyway, at the time they were trying to pass a new crime bill. However, the public was adamantly against it. Absolutely raised hell against the passing of this crime bill. Then the zodiac came out. Low and behold the crime bill was passed and the zodiac killings stopped.
Just like the patriot act. The public was adamantly against the passing of the patriot act. We fought it tough and nail. Chives tried to pass it 5 times before 9/11. Then supposed terrorists whom actually lived with FBI agents, no shit, they actually lived with fbi agents; take magical planes on a day they somehow knew top secret data about war training games, flew into buildings without leaving a single peice of aircraft behind and somehow they all had magical fuel on board that could melt steel of buildings designed to withstand direct hits by jets and aircraft. Within the same week the patriot act was signed which usurped all American freedoms granted by the constitution.
The next time someone tells you soldiers defend freedom, ask them where these soldiers were when the patriot act was signed. Ask them where they were when the constitution was illegaly ratified. All them where they are when every text, phone call, purchase, etc is being listened to. Ask them where they are Americans are being arrested for jan 6.
Why does the fbi have the hairs and dna of the zodiac and haven't tested it and ran it against familiar dna database.
The cia and fbi did this.
Thanks to all the people trying to solve these cases
Yw
I've followed this case for many years and 3 years ago i was with family member in Vallego and we drove onto Lake Herman Rd. to the 1st place the couple were murdered. As i walked to the driveway I sensed that evil and a spooky vibe. We got back in the car and left quickly. The road was being re-paved and it took longer to get back on wider road.
They'll never know who the zodiac killer is. The zodiac killings is as mysterious as the jack the ripper killings they will never be solved.
Not true…
Fantastic show! Please do one on the I-5 Killer (Randall Woodfield), nobody ever covers him.
There is at least one video on RUclips.
March air force base is 36 miles from Riverside CC. Not “15 minutes away”. Vallejo is 438 miles from Riverside CC, about 7 hours away, not “3 hours”.
Megyn, I love your show...been listening for a while now. Makes me happy to cut the 5 acres of grass so I can listen. you have a fan in Kentucky!
If you watch the movie, Zodiac, directed by the great David Fincher, you will really see a close resemblance of what really happened. Fincher and his team made sure the facts were there in the movie. It’s a great movie. So well done. The best movie that’s ever been done of Zodiac. No doubt.
That was a scary movie
Rare to find an American movie which is accurate..... And not changed to '' based on real life events' if a story should be told.... Tell it, we don't need additional car chases, explosions, love stories..... Just tell us what happen
Brilliant film
Finscher is a great director in general. Many many good movies.
Megyn this guy is all over the place and frankly, it's hard to believe him. Love your show and am glad your are away from corporate knuckleheads
"All over the place", well said. I feel the same way.
Years later now have proven this guy Colbert is full of it . He hasn't produced 1 single thing .. he talked about . Not a single piece of evidence ! not the shell casings , the stuff buried in the mountains , or anything at all . he didn't even get the documentary he said was coming . And that was likely because he had nothing credible to convince a big channel , to invest in his "zodiac" suspect . The whole thing is a joke
Riverside is not and never was 3-4 hours away lol. Minimum 5 1/2 hours
This woman is hypnotizing me.
Yeah she’s a babe lol
I love when you do crime type reporting and no political stuff Megyn. I check your youtubes to see if you got anything like this (Jon Bonet Ramsey, Patricia Clark on Oj Simpson trial, the one on crazies like Chris Watts, escaping Scientology …) You know how to ask the questions! Great job Megyn 👏🏽
More of this please!!!
I love this series, a good break from politics ❤️
Amen 🙏
Yes, a refreshing break.
Always been fascinated with the Zodiac case and often wondered if the Santa Barbara double murder was really a part of the case as well.. also wonder if as many years that have gone by, if it is just unsolvable. I could be wrong but wasn’t the Manson murders going on at the same time as the Zodiac killings? Were both high profile cases both on the news back then? That would’ve been terrifying for Cali..
who were £he san£a barbara murder vic£ims please?
@@MsVanorak hey! Look up the Robert Domingos/Linda Edwards case in Santa Barbara CA… from 1963. They say more than likely it was Zodiac in his earlier days that committed the murders!
@brandontaylor4924. Yes, the Manson murders overlapped the Zodiac killings in late summer 1969. It was a very bad time in California.
@@brandontaylor4924 thanks, found them and vernon c. smith in sanmiguelito canyon the next day and johnny and joyce swindle some time after.
Excellent job Megyn. I’ve followed the Zodiac case for many years. Unlike most, I don’t believe Zodiac was a single person. Rather, Zodiac was a composite of 2-3 killers communicating with each other but working separately. It was a game with each killer trying to one-up each other in the name of Zodiac. My multiple person theory also explains the similarities and also the differences and inconsistencies in the murders. The “2-3 member Zodiac club” of killers (if you’ll accept that term) knew law enforcement would be searching for a single serial killer, not multiple people. When a murder occurred, the others would have an alibi, eliminating them as a “Zodiac” suspect in the minds of police and FBI. The Zodiacs used police investigative methods to their advantage in an atttempt to commit (in their minds) the perfect crime. Anyway, that’s my theory which hasn’t been proven wrong.
You just described a theory never known to have happened before. There...nah.
That is a really interesting theory.
Highly unlikely - serial killers are lone wolves. And if these killings were the work of 2-3 people, the odds they would have been caught by now rocket!
I've always had trouble with that theory. If that indeed was the case, why hasn't one of them turned on the others and confessed?
Crazy people don't usually team up , they don't like sharing the spot light
I get the feeling Megan wasn’t buying this guy any more than I was. I’m thinking his group is him and his wife.
I absolutely love her show. It is interesting and always to the point. What really intrigues me is her beauty though.
Megan, you are absolutely gorgeous. Keep doing what you do.
What really sucks is when the person is found to be dead for years. The Zodiac movie from 2007 still remains my all time favorite film. I'm glad though however that the other high profile killer was finally found the Golden state killer after more than 40 years. Who knows what crimes we will solve in the future with technology getting better every single year, maybe someday we will be able to solve crimes long thought unsolvable.
I didn’t listen to the entire podcast, but the guest stated that there is no fingerprint evidence at any crime scene. What about the bloody fingerprint recovered from Paul Stein’s taxi at the San Fran killing?
Appreciated hearing from Paul Holes. Words of wisdom! All the same, good luck to all those working cold cases. It matters.
agreed
@@counterculture10 Thanks. Look up John Parr Cox. A dedicated Zodiac Killer researcher is putting together a lot of interesting info on youtube.
I enjoy crime stories. It must be from reading Nancy Drew books ...haha. I am looking forward to your shows this week. Thank you for your choice of interesting topics.
Zodiac & Jack the Ripper- my two favorite cases. You go Megyn!!
A teacher and a butcher.
Megyn, you’re a great story teller with great voice & eloquence. Thank you! 😊
Agreed. I didn't find him very credible. With a group comprising 1500 years of experience, it is unfortunate they can't find a better spokesperson. It appears that this was about humping his book, which reviews say is similarly incoherent.
Neither did I. He did not seem knowledgeable at all.
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I've never caught her being 'sensationalist',
and even her _commercials_ are tolerable.
My favorite female journalist for general and US issues. Great work!
Very interesting show, great interview!!!
A handwriting analysis and comparison between the letter f found in the word "knife" on the white Karmann Ghia car and the letter f found in the word "find" on the riverside desk would show them to be virtually identical. I'm convinced Riverside is a Zodiac.
Megan your show rocks!!!
I am spellbound. Great guy and motives, good people. But you are great at true crime megyn. Fascinating. Terrific show.
‘Hello everyone I’m Megyn Kelly and welcome to the Megyn Kelly Show’ - I feel great just hearing those words 🙂
YESSSS!!!! WE HAVE MISSED YOUR BOLDNESS AND PASSION FOR TRUTH & JUSTICE 🇺🇸
Fascinating stuff GREAT SHOW, well done Megan!! More please!
Just an FYI: Riverside, Ca. is between 6 1/2 - 7 1/2 hours (depending on the route taken) from Vallejo, Ca. Tom thought it was 3 hours between the two cities.
This guy says Riverside and Vallejo are 3-4 hours apart “in those days”. That statement alone discredits him in my opinion. It’s actually 440 miles and nearly 7 hours today in a modern vehicle with higher speed limits and more freeways. I would say it was an 8 hour drive in the early to mid 60s
Wow, this was chilling. I hope this is solved forever.
I always wanted the Zodiac, Golden State Killer, and Jon Benet Ramseys cases solved, 1 out of 3 so far..
@ryry32 Jon Benet was sexually assulted, strangled and blugeoned to death. Burt was too young to have done all of those things. So who does that leave? It leaves John Ramsey.
@ryry32 Burt inadvertently killed her by hitting her over the head after she ate his bowl of pineapple. Parents covered it up to protect their only remaining child and their image. Burt had significant jealousy and anger issues, not surprisingly given the parental attention his sister rec’d. Looks to have a touch of autism as well which enabled the parent’s to justify their cover-up scheme.
Jon Benet was killed by her parents - the stories about her brother being responsible are ludicrous.
@ryry32 Agree with you, her brother killed her and the parents covered it up.
@ryry32 There was DNA of an unknown male found in JonBenet's underwear. So who does that DNA belong to?
I hope this doesn’t sound odd or strange, but I hope to see more videos like this from Megan. Ngl, I had never watched much of her on Big Media before RUclips recommended her channel a couple of weeks ago, and I quite enjoy her thought process and politics. After binge-watching several videos, I realized her (and her diverse guests) commentary is far more nuanced than nefarious, and I agree with the majority of her carefully considered and formed takes on topics former or current. I'm a bit embarrassed I let past out-of-context clips on YT create a predisposition about you.
I hope you continue to gain success on YT, developing your own platform. You've earned a fan in me! Thanks for speaking so openly and honestly. ♥️♥️♥️♥️
True crime is a rabbit hole, can get lost very easily when you get interested in a particular case
Why preface your remarks? Just say what you want to say. We're all crime buffs on here.
I love her!! actually really think she would be great doing true crime stuff...my fave is Keith Morrison because of his voice being really calm . Megyn is really versatile and intelligent
Thank you Megyn!!!! Awesome 😎
I am a little behind on this podcast because I have been concentrating on online news regarding Leticia James (New York City), Fani Willis (Atlanta) and Tiffany Henyard (Dolton Illinois). Before that, I was listening to news on my way to & fro work. Now that I am retired and discovered RUclips, podcasts and online news, I'm up in it., up in stuff I was interested in but didn't have time for.
I'm on the Zodiac Killer now. Been reading and reviewing everything for days and weeks. I found Gary Francis Poste as the most feasible of the Zodiac suspects so far. I sure hope someone gets some DNA proof soon. Thanks for your work, Mr Colbert.
I'd love another true crime week!
uhh but this episode actually sucks
Agreed, Megyn is superb - but unfortunately this guy was a duff guest, who weirdly didn't know his subject well enough despite having such a strong theory on the killer's identity!
@@glamdolly30 Totally agree. I turned it off very quickly.
Fascinating story Megyn so again u hit it outta the park 👏🏻i will follow this to it's end, very interesting story so thank you again MK for bringing on "The Case Breakers" Tom Colbert who's brilliant and let's not forget "he's got the hairs" Good luck w it Tom🤞🏻👍🏻🍀♥️
Megyn Kelly is a master. Anybody else would have a murderous time trying to make sense of this guy's answers. He is so freaking obscure with his references. He says they and them and the Posse and all these references that make no sense and you have to drag out the meaning and Megyn does a great job. Only MK could make this an interesting interview.
It still was a confusing rambling interview. Not one of the best, sorry to say. (Not Megyn's fault; she did a good job considering what she had to work with.)
Stephen Taylor these cases could have been solved but without territorial mentality! I remember when we first learned re zodiac killer it did not make sense! ? Thank you Meghan you’re doing a Great Job! 🌺
Ross Sullivan was in her class , worked at library wore military clothes , studied code and fits e fit to a tea , where she was killed was inbetween two empty house that the library used for storage , so someone who worked there knew how quite he was , he also never turn up for school for a couple of weeks from the day after the killing . Also in that town there was a hardware store selling zodiac hardware and there sign was in the same format as the letter where he said he was collecting souls for the after life . He also moved to Cali just before the killings and also knew one of the other female victims . Lawerance Kane also worked at that base
I'm with you 100%. If you look at Ross Sullivan's handwriting samples which are available online and then compare it to the zodiacs handwriting (A lot of the earlier writings especially because the later ones change) It is uncanny how close they are. Someone need to DNA test one of those hairs and one of Ross's relatives.
I like Ross Sullivan, as well.
This guy lost credibility when he claimed that Riverside is "about 3 hours" from Vallejo. Yikes, clearly he has zero idea of the geography of the state....it's more like 10 hours with minimal traffic.
Yes it's probably at least an 8 hour drive if you do 85 miles an hour.
I wonder if he was referring to a train ride?
Megyn, thank you so much for keeping this conversation is trade. This investigator seems very smart but he knows so much information we don't know and he goes from a-z where we need to know philbin ABCDE etcetera so thank you for keeping everything in order
Unless there's actual DNA or balistic evidence that matches up with the orginal murders, I take any new theories about the potential identity of the Zodiac with a huge pinch of salt. Writing so-called true crime bestsellers is big business in itself. Tom Colbert talks about locating the spot where the weapons and masks are buried, so until his team dig them up and prove unequivocally that his suspect is the real culprit by balstic characteristic evidence, I think he should keep this stuff to himself. Or will this turn out to be another huge nothing burger, like all the other theories?
Oceanside and Santa Barbara are not close at all. Probably a three hour drive from one to the other at a minimum. How is linking the two by saying that he was stationed at a base in Santa Barbara that is only 5 minutes from the murder scene of the cab driver in Oceanside?
This guy is part of the team that also claimed to have solved the DB Cooper case now he claims to know where Hoffa is buried? Come on
That's because DB and Z moved north to Seattle and then parted ways. DB jumped out of a good jet and the chute really did not open fully and he landed on Hoffa.
Exactly. Matching scars on a composite drawing given by the robbins kids who saw zodiac from 60 ft at night? Ridiculous. Those lines in the picture are simply an artist rendition of the guys forehead
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@@LoriVFenske Yeah, it gets pretty bad sometimes doesn't it?
He actually changed up the code to be read right and down (4 across/3 down). When he did it military style, it was deciphered quickly. The symbols might have been a little different also.
WOW I haven't heard anything about D B Cooper in years! Fascinating man!❤❤❤
Megyn, great interview on the Zodiac Killer. Just wanted to share Benicia is pronounced Be-neee-sha When I was listening to the podcast I was trying to pronounce it for you LOL. Love your show!
Kelly I must say I am a huge fan and love your commentary , keep up the good work and you look lovely. Take care .. Greetings from Calgary, Canada
Zodiac or not this suspect was very interesting. Fascinating and disturbing case, i hope they can get the DNA. Searching for the truth in never an embarrassment.
But the Riverside case isn’t a Gary Poste case. Ross Sullivan worked in the exact library where Cheri was in, was disliked by the entire staff because of his stand offish personality, was rebuffed by Cheri when she refused to date him, and Ross wore an army jacket and army boots! Plus he also had a VW. I could go on but this smug guy obviously didn’t know about Ross Sullivan.😂
This guy is all over the place and completely incoherent. I find him unbelievable
Agreed! Thank you for saying so. 15 minutes into this, I was thinking, "Is this me, or is it he who is not making sense?" All he seem to have is a presumed m.o., and similar calibers of two guns. That is basically nothing.
At 25:00 he really makes no sense, as Megyn points out a totally different m.o., and he not only is fine with that, but chalks it up to the Zodiac's intelligence, He has zero logic or credibility as an investigator now. Megyn has to keep explaining his claims, which she does much more clearly.
He is all over the place and she did a good job of keeping the conversation on track as best as she could. It might be because he has researched this so much and has so much information he has trouble simplifying things.
That’s a good one to do megyn, re examine the Duke lacrosse case.
Agree with idea that Zodiac was
not a single man but a Serial Killer
Society. Their only motive was to
partake in the " Most Dangerous
Game " .
By the way, the Zodiac and " his " threat
to kill innocent school children on a bus,
was the inspiration for Scorpio in Dirty
Harry ( 1971 ) .
Just because Tom would take teens into woods to teach survival/ shooting guns, doesn’t mean he was Zodiac. Been following this case for a long time.
I'm an artist and I like to listen to Megyn while I work on my paintings, I find her to be an excellent interviewer, intelligent, personable, engaging and entertaining. This was the first time I've ever had to turn off the video. Not because of anything either Megyn or her guest said or did but because when he describes the man he suspects of being the Zodiac Killer, and how he recruited and groomed young men in CO and the hunting photos of this man, I was so viscerally impacted by his description I very nearly threw up. The man he describes, the photos and behavior so closely resembles photos and behavior of a former childhood friend, one I strongly suspect is a diagnosable psychopath - who was also obsessed with serial killers, particularly the Zodiac- that I couldn't continue to listen. In a strange way, I supose my reaction is a testament to Megyn's excellent interview skills. I will definitely continue to listen to Megyn's podcasts, just not this particular one.
Thanks for clarifying his non. answers
Gary Francis Poste seriously
I remember this so clearly. I was sent to a private school because I couldn't read. Now it's called Dyslexia. I'd stand on a corner waiting & waiting alone &worry I would be shot. I was 10 ish.
“The FBI’s investigation into the Zodiac Killer remains open and unsolved” - the FBI circa 2022
Watched this lunacy for the first time today tom. Can't believe the gullibility of the viewers/commenters to believe this bologna.
I was excited when I saw the title - however I was extremely disappointed with the guest. He didn’t seem super knowledgeable about the zodiac, and he was convinced it was Gary. He didn’t provide a definitive evidence. Every claim he made was completely circumstantial. The killer was almost certainly Arthur Lee Allen - he was positively identified by Mike Magoo. And the confirmed letters stopped and showing up while Allen was in prison.
this guy is incoherent - he never answers a direct question
He’s got my attention big time, Meghan.Thank you. I wasn’t headed in this direction tonight. Now I can’t hear enough.
I really like Megan Kelly. She’s so damn smart.