I loved how she told some interviewer, that the costume would somedays actually break up from the crotch!so her privates could be seen by everybody, emergency costume fixing wasnt easy!
Logan is such a downer to the point that even though it's good, I don't want to watch it as often as other good X-Men movies. Though I'd easily rather watch it over Origins. Also I have to headcanon Logan as a "What If" story and not canon because it completely ruins the ending of Days of Future Past for me, which is my favorite X-Men movie by far.
Holden:Silver Surfer? (Holden panic look) What do you know about the Silver Surfer? Jen: The surfer dude Holden: QuickSilver (Holden breathes sigh of relief) Too funny.
Apocalypse doesn't make Eric stronger. Eric is just being shown how TRULY powerful he is. Logan is feral at this point, after his mind has been messed with in the Weapon X program. He looks the same as he always has in all the other movies because until Stryker put the adamantium in his bones, Wolverine's powers healed him so quickly that he was effectively immortal. I believe at this point in his life, he is over 200 years old. The adamantium metal in his bones actually SLOWS down his healing speed, as his body is in a constant state of trying to reject the metal fused to his bones.
@@jpbenavides4969 nah just tapped into his latent potential and bought it out same with gambit's multiversal counterpart being an omega level Monster capable of destroying the planet with ease because he didn't have his inhibitors implanted by mr. negative. Same logic
@@jpbenavides4969 nah. You could potentially be the best tennis player in the world, but you wouldn’t know unless someone convinced you to actually play and take it seriously.
Actually, Mystique being less elaborate and less blue in each installment has to do a lot more with Jennifer Lawrence not wanting to spend hours on make up, she was the one who asked to get less time on make up, which led to Raven being a lot more in her human form. Imo they gave way to much control to J Law over the character, but who am I to judge.
Actually, more accurately, J Law's star power was something the producers were trying to capitalize on. She actually was locked into a four picture deal and the producers were constantly writing her into a lead role. Jennifer Lawrence was actually gaining critical acclaim in Oscar winning pictures and didn't really want to come back. To try to keep her happy, they worked to try to reduce the make-up chair time for her.
JLaw was the biggest star for most of this franchise. She leveraged that to her advantage. She was out of her contract once this came out, she got a big payday to come back for the next film.
@@War624 That can be attributed to a couple factors. First, she had what some might see as overexposure. She was in high demand and made three films a year in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, and two films in 2015, and 2016. Between production and international travel to promote those films, that is a lot of time. The second reason is that Dark Phoenix was the last film she worked on before deciding herself, to step away and take some time off.
“Olivia Munn is wearing almost nothing” *Hugh Jackman comes out in nothing but shorts* “Ooh goodie!” Also, Hugh literally showed us his ass last movie.
@The Cracked Lenses tbf, thats what she wears throughout the movie, jackman only there for one scene and shirtless scenes in marvel movies are usually only for a short scene. Hulk is cgi, doesn't really count
The X-Men/Magneto vs Apocalypse battles in the old 90s X-Men cartoon were always my favorite part about that series. Those fights were epic! And this film made me want to go back and re-live those moments.
Storm is from Africa in the comics as well. I don’t remember exactly what country though. Also this movie and dark Phoenix are in a different timeline from the original movies so it’s best to forget about them in a way so the timeline doesn’t get confusing
one thing is worth mentioning Wanda is also Magneto's daughters. Only reason shes not yet in the MCU is cuz at the time of filming Fox wasn't part of Disney/Marvel yet
@@Boibluu they've swapped enough times between Magneto, the Whizzer, the High Evolutionary, some random gypsy that fans really don't care and just go with Magneto to be done with that mess.
When the MCU became popular, and they couldn't use the backstory, The comics retconned the twins to fit the MCU better, removing Magento as their parents years ago.
You can't get too caught up in continuity errors in this movie. This is basically a brand new time-line that was created by new events in the past that happened in Days of Future Past. You can't really think of this as a prequel any more. It's like the new Star Trek movies. They were starts of an entirely different time-line
@The Cracked Lenses I really just try to decompress when watching movies. If it's fun, I like it. I really don't look deep into screenwriting. I am not a critic. I just like watching movies. If it entertains, I don't mind a few liberties being taken in the writing. Just the way I watch. And obviously that's the way they write. Because dummies like me keep watching. Lol. Every one has their own opinions and own ways of watching a movie
The Wolverine "trilogy" must be something really different be it with or without context so I do think there's value in rewatching them. also, gotta love Holden's expression when Jen said he wanted to see the origins movie but to be fair, it does give value, specially for Deadpool
The dynamic between him and Sabertooth is awesome, it's just everything else about that movie that sucks. Deadpool was just the cherry on top of the shit sandwich at the end lol.
@@TwiStedReality1313 hahaha, I forgot about that dynamic, yeah, it is cool, as for the Deadpool, that's exactly why I think it is important for context: because of the rotten cherry of top that it was in that movie haha
my theory with how parts of this movie and dark phoenix differ from the original trilogy is because wolverine's changes to the timeline created a ripple effect and changed other things. i'm going with the logic of time travel from the flashpoint comic and animated movie (which i'd love to see you and jen react to some of the dc animated movies) also, so glad holden is also a fan of john mullaney! saw him do a show in philly back in october
@@A_T88 I guess it's not just that it's different but that there's no reliable correlation between the two in terms of when people are born and the like (for instance Angel), which is not what people expect but really neither way is more realistic. Plus of course in the comics themselves time doesn't work that way given that most of the heroes have been active for more than 50 years without aging much.
I heard that there was supposed to be a 2 part phoenix saga movie. In which it was explained that at the time of her parents death Jean was imbued with a little aspect of the phoenix force. Which explains jean using it in X-men:Apocalypse and why it was attracted to her in the space shuttle in dark phoenix.
I'd love to see you show Jen some of the animated X-Men series so she can see what fans grew up with....they also did a great job with the Dark Phoenix saga
I love when Apocalypse tells magneto “come and see”. From the Bible. “….and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.”
When it comes to the continuity issues I believe days of future past was supposed to be a reset of the franchise and they are insinuating that things happen differently because of the days of future past events
in my opinion, the TV Series "Legion" and "The Gifted" are worth watching too, since they explore more of the Mutant world instead of focusing on the main we already met
Time for a X-Fan's little rant: X-Men Apocalypse was the point in where the movies REALLY wanted to compete with the MCU with their scale, and with Bryan Singer's issues coming to the surface at this time, he basically couldn't handle doing it and left periodically during production. Plus, it didn't make as much as DOFP, with 400 mill compared to it's 700 mill. Apocalypse displayed here... Is... Awful, his appearance, and the way his plan is conveyed, even Oscar Isaac hated the role, and I'm so glad Marvel got him to be Moon Knight. The new younger version of the cast is, fine I guess. Tye Sheridan's Cyclops is... um there, Kodi Smith McPhee's Nightcrawler is pretty good. Alexandra Shipp's Storm is okay? Sophie Turner's Jean isn't that good... It (and nearly everyone else) gets worse in Dark Phoenix... Also hi Jubilee... Bye Jubilee! This is where the holes in the timeline get wider. It's 20 years since First Class, and no one has aged, since we know they HAVE to turn into their original timeline actors. Characters have new ages, drastically different personalities, yet have some of their original trilogy cues (Nightcrawler still ritually scars himself while dressing like Thriller Michael Jackson). Oh, that thing with Magneto flip flopping... Yeah that's a thing that constantly happens in these (it happens in the comics, but no that close together). Storm was born with her white hair, was born in New York, but raised in Cairo, but spent most of her adulthood in Kenya, so yeah, she's always gonna be depicted with an accent... Except the movies. Halle Berry used one in the first movie in alternate scenes, but it was removed. In the comics, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were a retcon to be Magneto's children in the 80's, they've been retconned every so often since then, it's a whole thing. I would go on about Archangel dying in a plane crash, and Psylocke just walking off the battle's aftermath, but that alone says enough lol One big positive is that the team had near comic accurate versions of their most famous costumes... But I take it back a bit because we never see them again and get a very boring version of the blue and yellow X jumpsuits.
I’d LOVE a rewatch of them! The My Friend was a lot of people reacting and now that she’s got more of a feel for the lore, I’d love Logan with just you two
lol. It was so funny. I was telling people he was not quicksilver. Feige will 100% reboot x men but no people were swearing on their mother he was quicksilver from x men. Its their fault imo.
Storm always had a accent. Halle Berry attempted to have one at first. You can see how she jumps in and out of it. Lines like "at least I've chosen a side" is clearly her trying to do the accent. But eventually she just dropped it altogether because it was already inconsistent.
Apocalypse in this movie is so underutilized compared to his comics counterpart. I really hope he’s done better in the MCU both in terms of character and appearance
Do you really think your movie-going experience would be better if we saw Apocalyse go full Apocalypse?? It would get old IMO. The great scenes we do have in this movie never get old. I love watching the opening sequence in Egypt. I love Fassbenders acting when he grieves for his family. I love how chilling it is when Apocalypse takes control of Cerebro. I love the Quicksilver scene that follows. I love the more accurate and respectful Weapon X scene. I could go on and on. This is why I cant understand the hatred for Apocalypse
Some of Jen's questions about inconsistency with the earlier trilogy are explained by the fact that Days of Future Past rebooted the timeline. So from the 1970s onward, many things didn't occur as we originally saw them in X1-X3. Yes in X1-X3 there wasn't any prior relationship between Mystique and Charles That's why she didn't have any problems rigging Cerebro to poison him. The whole childhood friendship was a new thing introduced in First Class.
“So you got another x men movie for me” “Yes sir i do. And i was thinking of having magneto be a villain in this one” “Oh really but didn’t the end of days of future past convince him give up being bad?” “Yeah so i figured we can just kill his family to make him bad again” “Well ok then. Hopefully we don’t have to keep doing this and he is able to retire in peace”
I totally agree Jenn, Quicksilver is badass! I don’t think the side characters get enough love. It was awesome to see Nightcrawler as a teen. That actor did a great job!
I really think Jen and Holden don't understand that these movies are not prequels to the original trilogy. This is a new timeline that was created because of Days of Future Past. Don't get me wrong, the X-Men movies have a ton of continuity issues, but say Jean meeting Wolverine earlier isn't one of them.
Honestly the timeline errors started at First Class, considering Emma Frost is an adult in it, but Origins has a more age accurate version of the character, who's kidnapped with the other mutants used for that movie's "Deadpool".
@@War624 That's far from the biggest continuity error in First Class, Xavier is paralysed in the 60's but then appears walking again in 1986 (X-Men: The Last Stand), it is said in the original trilogy that Erik helped built Cerebro but it is shown to be built by Hank McCoy in First Class etc. I think that was because First Class was supposed to be a reboot until they decided it's a prequel. It's a mess.
@@Wolfer1OOO Yeah, Holden mentioned the timeline change very briefly, I didn't catch it. It's just that he initially said those were continuity errors.
at 12:24 the way it's edited makes it seem like he says "soup....no more" which for some reason I found absolutely hilarious and burst into laughter, startling everyone around me. Tuché!
Yes I’d love to see y’all rewatch the films now with Jen having seen the prior films n knowing these characters, I’d like to see how her view on them has changed now😀👍🏽
The wolverine thing was not a continuity issue. Wolverine had lost his memory regarding his escape from the weapon x project in between him escaping and the first x-men movie.
They are always setting up random storylines in post credit scenes. The Essex Corp on that briefcase is alluding to Mr. Sinister who is a major X-men villain.
At the time, EVERYONE thought it was setting up Mr Sinister... turned out it was merely setting up the company in "Logan" that created the mutant children.
@@daverowe03 honestly, I'm willing to bet they used that name to "keep the door open" for Sinister. Who knows, there may have been an idea for a movie to take place before Logan to establish the Essex Corp was actually Nathaniel Essex. Also... isn't the home for children in Deadpool 2 Essex, also?
It always makes me chuckle when I see everyone's attitude towards Eric at the end of the movie. The man killed millions around the world, and Charles is like: "See you around, old friend." Also, for what reason did Mystique tell Storm, a complete stranger, who just changed sides, Quicksilver's secret?
I enjoy this movie, but it's a film with a lot of errors. Unfortunately, there seems to have been no real long term planning for the X-Men movies and that's my biggest problem. The performances in this film are decent, with James MacAvoy and Michael Fassbender killing it as usual. part of the problem with the X films always seems to be the writers and producers wanting to lean very heavily on the characters that are popular in the comics instead of having faith they can take characters from the X-Men mythos and flesh them out in such a way they'll be popular. I also think the casting suffers in several places. Jennifer Lawrence has great range, but she should never have been cast as Mystique. Mystique should always look vaguely sinister and Lawrence just ends up looking like a smurf. Nicholas Holt is still just awful as Hank McCoy. If he weighed about 40 lbs more, he'd come closer to looking like the Beast, but he just doesn't come off as a super-genius who unfortunately is big, blue and furry to me. Alexandra Shipp was a good choice for a younger Storm, so I've no complaints there. Jean and Scott are criminally mishandled. Scott is a natural leader and Tye Sheridan doesn't give that impression. It seems like the writers decided to treat him like Spider-man and have him a bullied kid in school, but that's not Scott. Similarly, having the other students be scared of Jean makes no sense. It's a development from out of left field and it strikes me as out of character. As always, being a longtime comic fan works against me when watching these films because, while I understand the filmmakers can't just duplicate the stories from the comics, I feel in many cases they don't grasp the core personalities of the characters they're writing about.
I agree with most of that.. except for the Jean Grey point. I think a girl that could read your mind would be pretty scary, and would definitely push other kids away.
You want to see a movie with a lot of errors?? Watch Thor and Thor 2. Iron Man 2 and even Iron Man 3. At least Apocalypse has a few great and timeless scenes. The opening scene in Egypt is awesome. When Magneto loses his family, that's amazing, especially his acting. Quicksilvers scene is amazing but so is the scene where Apocalypse takes control of Cerebro. It gives me chills every time. I cant say I remember or want to relive that many scenes in the MCU
I really do love the outfits at the end by far my favourite X-Men movie outfits unfortunately the next movie really downgraded them lol. The movie itself i don't really care for but at least it had some good scenes.
Even though Jenn has already seen Origins, Wolverine, and Logan, I think you should do them again after this anyway. That way she actually knows who the characters are and has a connection to them, rather than going in blind to that series of movies. It doesn't have to be a "first time" video, but maybe a "My Girlfriend re-watches ____" I would love to have her renewed perspective on those movies after having watched the rest.
It still bugs the hell out of me that they swapped the Summers brothers, Scott is supposed to be the older brother, hopefully when they join the MCU they correct everything. I am curious to see what Jens thoughts will be of the next movie, will she like it when everyone else hated it, cant wait to find out.
Will you guys be watching the new mutants as a part of this series? I know a lot of people arent that big of fans of it but I personally love it and would love to see you guys watch it.
I really liked it. It has issues all the delays because of the studio and then theaters closing, and I think if they had just gone the Logan route and went R rated and were able to really go crazy it would have helped. All that aside though it’s still a fun movie that kept me interested and that’s all I look for.
I don't think that the helmet is made of adamantium. Wasn't it made from the same metals that Cerebro was made out of? I believe it was something like that, but I don't feel like rewatching the movies to find out.
@@user-dz6fy6qv2l according to this universe, it was a gift from the Russians to Sebastian Shaw before Magneto acquired it. There are no further details about it's composition. But given that the aforementioned is true, we can safely assume the helmet is NOT adamantium.
(In the comics) Storm is actually from Kenia, his father is from the US, and she lived part of her childhood in Egypt. She's been Black Panther's wife. Hope to see a connection between her and Wakanda in the MCU's X Men.
In the first X-men movie storm had a bit of an accent but not very thick. It’s been said Halle berry couldn’t really get the accent figured out and they just decided to cut it. I believe Brian singer mentions it in the X2 commentary.
You're running round in circles trying to work out whats canon and what's not with these. But most say that the events of DOFP change the course of history, which is why things are different moving forward with the younger cast, making the trilogy irrelevant.
@@chand911 yeah movie Apocalypse is so uninteresting. He's just a generic villain who wants to take over the world. He's not fleshed out and his design isn't good
Apocalypse is the literal definition of a one-dimensional villain. He's got some cool powers and stuff, he's not the worst but certainly not the best either. Worst comic movie villain probably goes to the dark elf dude from Thor: The Dark World
Holden don't forget that Magneto is a Master at not just moving Metal but also Moving People through their Heart/Emotions...The Whole X-Men World/Universe is basically Professor X and Magneto Playing Live Action Chess with the Mutants as the pieces and the world is the board
I keep forgetting that Holden isn't really a comic fan so he generally does not know the facts about things that pop up in the movies. I'm sitting here answering Jens questions like she can hear me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Storm was born in Kenya Africa, she’s the descendant of a tribe of witch priestesses. She was raised in Egypt before her parents were killed, then she ended up homeless in New York somehow and was found by Gambit and brought to Xaviers school.
I don't really watch the "my friend watches" videos. Don't personally vibe much with your friends opinions and jokes most of the time, so for me it would be amazing if you rewatched the wolverine movies with Jen!
I was at the Stan Lee panel at San Diego Comic Con in 2015 and Stan said that this was his favorite cameo but could not say why at the time. It was clearly because it is the only one that also has his wife, Joan, in it.
To Jen, in some alternate realities or universes Pietro (Quicksilver) and Wanda (Scarlet Witch) are Magneto's children and in this universe the movies with that reality but in MCU it is highly doubtful that they're not Magneto's children unless MCU execs decided they will spin in that direction. Magneto also has a third child named Lorna Dane (Polaris), she gets introduced in FOX series THE GIFTED, in the comics Polaris is Wanda and Pietro's half-sister.
Mystique isnt really that important, its only in the movies and because shes played by Jennifer Lawrence is she important at all--in comics she is basically a mid range villian/spmetimes ally but never really much of a main character
Personally, I have a great time whenever I watch the wolverine, I know the 3rd act is a bit off but overall I think its a very good movie, which dwells on the effect of wolverines past actions. From where he saved the life of the silver samurai when he was in the army to when he took the life of someone he loved to save everyone else.
Storm’s name is Ororo Monroe, born in New York but mother is a Kenyan princess. In some comics she is married to T’Challa, made Queen consort of Wakanda.
The hate comes from Jennifer Lawrence phoning her performance in starting with this movie, along with Mystique being such a focus, most didn’t like that as it is such a departure from the source material. Apocalypse and his power were under represented along with his costume looking really awkward. So that’s hate from the diehard fans of these characters. Critics felt the plot was really boring and not really well written. Generic villain wants to destroy the world plot. So this movie got it from both sides.
I don't like it because First Class and Days of Future Past had very good plots surrounding the treatment of mutants and it felt different with their approaches. The antagonists were used to enhance the plot and the movies were not centered around the final boss battles. An example of the journey being more interesting than the destination especially with the relationship between Charles and Erik. However with Apocalypse it feels like nothing substantial really happens. The Apocalypse character in this movie is very uninteresting. He's just a bad guy who wants to take over the world and the X Men team up to fight him. He isn't fleshed out at all and it feels like Oscar Issac is phoning it in. Michael Fassbender is again fantastic as Magneto but it really feels like he doesn't do anything. He should've been continuing his struggle against humans instead of the writers giving him a family, just for them to quickly die to make him bad again. In hindsight I don't think this movie needed to happen as Days of Future's Past had a good ending and Apocalypse is a very stale follow up. And this is coming from someone who didn't read X Men comics and got into the movies because of First Class
The worst part of the film is that it single-handedly ruins the mutant-human dynamic from previous films by having one mutant destroy entire cities and kill probably millions or tens of millions of people. At that point there is no argument in favour of not registering mutants if even one could cause that much destruction, really muddies the nuance of the civil rights metaphor of the X-Men. Also the villain is lame AF, half the actors phoned it in, and Magneto (best thing in previous movies) is a complete flip flop whose character development is ruined.
Also..its interesting how Stan Lee based magneto character on Malcolm X & how Malcolm was hated in the 60's by many but similar to how if u knew Magneto story maybe u wouldn't hate him as much..same as Malcolm x ..if ppl knew what he went through..u would get why he did what he did
Wasn’t crazy about this movie but still appreciated getting to see Sophie Turner and Jubilee and I feel some of the special effects were pretty cool especially when it comes to Apocalypse
*X-Men: Apocalypse* , *X-Men: Dark Phoenix* and *Fantastic Four (2015)* are the only movies I can think of I didn't go and watch at the theatre due to the negative reviews...
In the comics, storm AKA ororo Munroe is from Kenya and has an American father and she indeed lived in Egypt. She was also black Panther's wife until they divorced, and then dated wolverine !
Fun fact: Psylocke’s outfit can be attributed to Olivia Munn. She pushed for comic accuracy as she is a longtime fan of the character.
She also got pissed out of her head on a British Sunday morning cooking/talk show.
Yeah I remember reading that and I thought it was dope. Thats why Munn is my favorite Olivia
Psylocke, next to Longshot, is one of my favorite X-Men characters from the comics.
& they did her dirty & only used the basics of her abilities.
I loved how she told some interviewer, that the costume would somedays actually break up from the crotch!so her privates could be seen by everybody, emergency costume fixing wasnt easy!
I started laughing out loud at the face Holden made when Jen said she'd rather watch Origins instead of Logan lmaoo
I would too. Don't get me wrong, Logan is a far superior movie, but to me atleast, origins has more rewatchablility because it's not as slow
Logan is such a downer to the point that even though it's good, I don't want to watch it as often as other good X-Men movies. Though I'd easily rather watch it over Origins. Also I have to headcanon Logan as a "What If" story and not canon because it completely ruins the ending of Days of Future Past for me, which is my favorite X-Men movie by far.
@@tails512 Yea I think of Logan as it’s own thing too. DOFP is in my top 3 after X1 and X2 so I prefer that universe.
@@tails512 but it's still in the future. And you know you cant have happy ending when you change timelines.
@@tails512 Logan should've been the final x men movie. Since they were about to come to mcu and dark phoenix just ruined the whole franchise
Holden:Silver Surfer? (Holden panic look) What do you know about the Silver Surfer?
Jen: The surfer dude
Holden: QuickSilver (Holden breathes sigh of relief)
Too funny.
I wonder if Jen noticed his panic or just ignored it🤣
Jenn being unfaithful and reading comics on the side.
Apocalypse doesn't make Eric stronger. Eric is just being shown how TRULY powerful he is.
Logan is feral at this point, after his mind has been messed with in the Weapon X program. He looks the same as he always has in all the other movies because until Stryker put the adamantium in his bones, Wolverine's powers healed him so quickly that he was effectively immortal. I believe at this point in his life, he is over 200 years old. The adamantium metal in his bones actually SLOWS down his healing speed, as his body is in a constant state of trying to reject the metal fused to his bones.
"just being shown how TRULY powerful he is", so he made him stronger...
@@jpbenavides4969 nah just tapped into his latent potential and bought it out same with gambit's multiversal counterpart being an omega level Monster capable of destroying the planet with ease because he didn't have his inhibitors implanted by mr. negative. Same logic
@@jpbenavides4969 He was already that strong... how hard is that to get?
@@jpbenavides4969 nah. You could potentially be the best tennis player in the world, but you wouldn’t know unless someone convinced you to actually play and take it seriously.
They should’ve only coated his claws
I'm really glad Jen likes Quicksilver, can't wait to see her reaction to all the amazing scenes he has in Dark Phoenix.
😂😂😂
Bruh🤣🤣🤣
Wait! Are you being sarcastic ?
Dark phoenix was so bad I basically have no memory of the story or the characters that were in it.
Lol
Sarcastic?
Holden's shock when Jen mentioned Silver Surfer kinda gave me a glimpse of his future plans for the channel. lol
Actually, Mystique being less elaborate and less blue in each installment has to do a lot more with Jennifer Lawrence not wanting to spend hours on make up, she was the one who asked to get less time on make up, which led to Raven being a lot more in her human form.
Imo they gave way to much control to J Law over the character, but who am I to judge.
Actually, more accurately, J Law's star power was something the producers were trying to capitalize on. She actually was locked into a four picture deal and the producers were constantly writing her into a lead role. Jennifer Lawrence was actually gaining critical acclaim in Oscar winning pictures and didn't really want to come back. To try to keep her happy, they worked to try to reduce the make-up chair time for her.
@@BiggestDawgEver Which is funny considering her star power was died down a lot since being in these films.
JLaw was the biggest star for most of this franchise. She leveraged that to her advantage. She was out of her contract once this came out, she got a big payday to come back for the next film.
Is her being less blue that much control over the character?
@@War624 That can be attributed to a couple factors. First, she had what some might see as overexposure. She was in high demand and made three films a year in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, and two films in 2015, and 2016. Between production and international travel to promote those films, that is a lot of time.
The second reason is that Dark Phoenix was the last film she worked on before deciding herself, to step away and take some time off.
I love that you could actually hear Holdens Spidey sense go off when Jen mentions Silver Surfer.
He was like "Nani!?!"
“Olivia Munn is wearing almost nothing”
*Hugh Jackman comes out in nothing but shorts*
“Ooh goodie!”
Also, Hugh literally showed us his ass last movie.
No 🧢😂
Talking about sexism. In every MCU movie there is atleast one shirtless guy scene
@@benjamin3658 Hulk is always shirtless
@The Cracked Lenses tbf, thats what she wears throughout the movie, jackman only there for one scene and shirtless scenes in marvel movies are usually only for a short scene. Hulk is cgi, doesn't really count
@@haveidonethisbefore That is true.
Logan and days of future past are the peak of this franchise
The X-Men/Magneto vs Apocalypse battles in the old 90s X-Men cartoon were always my favorite part about that series. Those fights were epic! And this film made me want to go back and re-live those moments.
Don't forget the shit Archangel does trying to kill Apacolypse
"I am the rocks of the eternal shore. Crash against me, and be broken!"
This has great moments too
You people have never even given Apocalypse a chance
@@LukeLovesRose I know I always go into movies hoping I'll have a bad time.
@@Eidlones You're telling me you didnt automatically pass judgment when you saw Apocalypses design??
Storm is from Africa in the comics as well. I don’t remember exactly what country though. Also this movie and dark Phoenix are in a different timeline from the original movies so it’s best to forget about them in a way so the timeline doesn’t get confusing
Wakanda, I believe. She married T'Challa
@@DJLawrence storm did marry BP but she is not wakandan lol
In the comics Storm was born in Manhattan New York to a Kenyan princess and a American photojournalist and moved to Cairo, when she six months old.
She was born in New York but moved to Egypt when she was little.
one thing is worth mentioning Wanda is also Magneto's daughters. Only reason shes not yet in the MCU is cuz at the time of filming Fox wasn't part of Disney/Marvel yet
Technically wanda and pietro aren't erik's children
@@Boibluu they've swapped enough times between Magneto, the Whizzer, the High Evolutionary, some random gypsy that fans really don't care and just go with Magneto to be done with that mess.
When the MCU became popular, and they couldn't use the backstory, The comics retconned the twins to fit the MCU better, removing Magento as their parents years ago.
11:39 this made me laugh more than I’d like to admit LOL
Same
Editor really delivered this week. Also the „Who‘s Eugene?“ joke.
@@koshomfg Ahahaha thank you!
12:33
What are you doing?
MAKING YOU SOUP!!!
same, i started crying because of how hard i was laughing
You can't get too caught up in continuity errors in this movie. This is basically a brand new time-line that was created by new events in the past that happened in Days of Future Past. You can't really think of this as a prequel any more. It's like the new Star Trek movies. They were starts of an entirely different time-line
"You can't get too caught up in continuity errors in this movie"
Watch me.
@@chand911 ok ...good for you. Hope you can enjoy movies that way. By being overly critical
^^^
I would also probably correct myself and say they aren't actually errors ...because of the new time-line. They are, now, just new occurrences.
@The Cracked Lenses I really just try to decompress when watching movies. If it's fun, I like it. I really don't look deep into screenwriting. I am not a critic. I just like watching movies. If it entertains, I don't mind a few liberties being taken in the writing. Just the way I watch. And obviously that's the way they write. Because dummies like me keep watching. Lol. Every one has their own opinions and own ways of watching a movie
Jen says silver surfer
Holden: HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT NAME
The scene where magneto’s family dies gets me every time. It’s just so powerful and the first part of him confronting the workers as well
I agree with you, right up until he screams at the heavens like every direct to DVD action movie
Holden's face when she mentioned Silver Surfer. It's like he fell in love with her all over again....lol
I like how Holden's dogs surround him as soon as he opens his bag of chips lol
16:14 "They're trying to keep it comic accurate."
It's a shame they didn't keep her character comic accurate.
I wish I could take credit for subscribing you to spud man
Also yes to rewatching Logan!
The Wolverine "trilogy" must be something really different be it with or without context so I do think there's value in rewatching them.
also, gotta love Holden's expression when Jen said he wanted to see the origins movie but to be fair, it does give value, specially for Deadpool
The dynamic between him and Sabertooth is awesome, it's just everything else about that movie that sucks. Deadpool was just the cherry on top of the shit sandwich at the end lol.
I agree, but in the end , Logan is the only great movie among them. The other wolvie movies are a bit meh IMO.
@@TwiStedReality1313 hahaha, I forgot about that dynamic, yeah, it is cool, as for the Deadpool, that's exactly why I think it is important for context: because of the rotten cherry of top that it was in that movie haha
@@Bentzel75 The only part in which I disagree is that I kind of liked The Wolverine, not great, not awful, just fine
Imo the Wolverine and Logan are both pretty great
my theory with how parts of this movie and dark phoenix differ from the original trilogy is because wolverine's changes to the timeline created a ripple effect and changed other things. i'm going with the logic of time travel from the flashpoint comic and animated movie (which i'd love to see you and jen react to some of the dc animated movies)
also, so glad holden is also a fan of john mullaney! saw him do a show in philly back in october
Basically yes. It’s simply a different timeline.
Well I thought that was the exact point that movie that they changed the timeline
Yeah this is the "new future". Though Jean goes crazy decades before she's supposed to and is fine in DoFP when Wolverine wakes up.
@@A_T88 I guess it's not just that it's different but that there's no reliable correlation between the two in terms of when people are born and the like (for instance Angel), which is not what people expect but really neither way is more realistic. Plus of course in the comics themselves time doesn't work that way given that most of the heroes have been active for more than 50 years without aging much.
I heard that there was supposed to be a 2 part phoenix saga movie. In which it was explained that at the time of her parents death Jean was imbued with a little aspect of the phoenix force. Which explains jean using it in X-men:Apocalypse and why it was attracted to her in the space shuttle in dark phoenix.
I'd love to see you show Jen some of the animated X-Men series so she can see what fans grew up with....they also did a great job with the Dark Phoenix saga
I love when Apocalypse tells magneto “come and see”. From the Bible. “….and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.”
Creepy. I totally missed that
That “whos eugene” was funnier than it needed to be
Thank Eugene.
@@yusufgazi7 the text on the screen said “whos eugene” next to her head
@@n0body550 Ik
@@yusufgazi7 my bad i struggle with interactions with people lol
It caught me off guard, I spit my drink lol
Loved the out of nowhere "I don't think so" from Raiden in the first Mortal Kombat movie when Storm shows up towards the middle of the video lmao
When it comes to the continuity issues I believe days of future past was supposed to be a reset of the franchise and they are insinuating that things happen differently because of the days of future past events
Halle Berry had an accent in the first movie. Everyone just forgets because she drops it for the final two lol.
I was wondering why Holden didn't point that out. I guess he forgot too.
Holden’s amazement that Jen mentioned Silver Surfer was a highlight
in my opinion, the TV Series "Legion" and "The Gifted" are worth watching too, since they explore more of the Mutant world instead of focusing on the main we already met
Haven't seen legion but Dan Stevens was great in "apostle" (Netflix horror film by the guy who did the raid) so I'm sure he's great in legion aswell
I would love if they continued the mutant universe with Legion.
OMG. Those are a blast from the past. But. Should they watch them Before or After the New Mutants?
Sucks that "The Gifted" only got 2 seasons
@@3Kings_Industries They're both their own shows, separate from the movies. You can watch them whenever.
Time for a X-Fan's little rant:
X-Men Apocalypse was the point in where the movies REALLY wanted to compete with the MCU with their scale, and with Bryan Singer's issues coming to the surface at this time, he basically couldn't handle doing it and left periodically during production.
Plus, it didn't make as much as DOFP, with 400 mill compared to it's 700 mill.
Apocalypse displayed here... Is... Awful, his appearance, and the way his plan is conveyed, even Oscar Isaac hated the role, and I'm so glad Marvel got him to be Moon Knight.
The new younger version of the cast is, fine I guess. Tye Sheridan's Cyclops is... um there, Kodi Smith McPhee's Nightcrawler is pretty good. Alexandra Shipp's Storm is okay? Sophie Turner's Jean isn't that good... It (and nearly everyone else) gets worse in Dark Phoenix... Also hi Jubilee... Bye Jubilee!
This is where the holes in the timeline get wider. It's 20 years since First Class, and no one has aged, since we know they HAVE to turn into their original timeline actors. Characters have new ages, drastically different personalities, yet have some of their original trilogy cues (Nightcrawler still ritually scars himself while dressing like Thriller Michael Jackson). Oh, that thing with Magneto flip flopping... Yeah that's a thing that constantly happens in these (it happens in the comics, but no that close together).
Storm was born with her white hair, was born in New York, but raised in Cairo, but spent most of her adulthood in Kenya, so yeah, she's always gonna be depicted with an accent... Except the movies. Halle Berry used one in the first movie in alternate scenes, but it was removed.
In the comics, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were a retcon to be Magneto's children in the 80's, they've been retconned every so often since then, it's a whole thing.
I would go on about Archangel dying in a plane crash, and Psylocke just walking off the battle's aftermath, but that alone says enough lol
One big positive is that the team had near comic accurate versions of their most famous costumes... But I take it back a bit because we never see them again and get a very boring version of the blue and yellow X jumpsuits.
I cant believe they did Angel dirty twice. But yea. I hated this movie. Apocalypse is so short. I dont know why that bothers me so much lol
@@dericplummer9272 No, it really should, the shortest Apocalypse had ever been was like in X-Men Legends 2, and he's around over 6 feet.
I agree 100%. Couldn't have said it better.
My biggest complaint is that they HAD the suits at the end and just...went to those horrible suits in Dark Phoenix. Ugh.
Fox sucked.
This. All of this!
Nice video Holden, but I and many others are wondering when is the clone wars reaction series going to continue
Honestly I don't think they should react to every single episode of clone wars
@@rahulmenon9530 I hope they do react or at least film their reaction to series 3 onwards since that's when it really gets good
Yes. Please do finish clone wars
@@MrPieFlavour I really want to see their reaction to the season 7 mandalor arc
I’d LOVE a rewatch of them! The My Friend was a lot of people reacting and now that she’s got more of a feel for the lore, I’d love Logan with just you two
Now Jen finally knows why we were all upset with Ralph Bohner.
I certainly wasn't upset over it.
Maybe you were because it was clear from the very beginning that was not Quicksilver ,he was even addressed at fake Pietro !LOL !😂
lol. It was so funny. I was telling people he was not quicksilver. Feige will 100% reboot x men but no people were swearing on their mother he was quicksilver from x men. Its their fault imo.
@@MoviesAndTvShowsAreSubjective I think it was payback for everyone figuring out Agatha harkness early
Storm always had a accent. Halle Berry attempted to have one at first. You can see how she jumps in and out of it. Lines like "at least I've chosen a side" is clearly her trying to do the accent. But eventually she just dropped it altogether because it was already inconsistent.
Apocalypse in this movie is so underutilized compared to his comics counterpart. I really hope he’s done better in the MCU both in terms of character and appearance
Do you really think your movie-going experience would be better if we saw Apocalyse go full Apocalypse?? It would get old IMO. The great scenes we do have in this movie never get old. I love watching the opening sequence in Egypt. I love Fassbenders acting when he grieves for his family. I love how chilling it is when Apocalypse takes control of Cerebro. I love the Quicksilver scene that follows. I love the more accurate and respectful Weapon X scene. I could go on and on. This is why I cant understand the hatred for Apocalypse
Some of Jen's questions about inconsistency with the earlier trilogy are explained by the fact that Days of Future Past rebooted the timeline. So from the 1970s onward, many things didn't occur as we originally saw them in X1-X3.
Yes in X1-X3 there wasn't any prior relationship between Mystique and Charles That's why she didn't have any problems rigging Cerebro to poison him. The whole childhood friendship was a new thing introduced in First Class.
Lol when Jen says she'd like to rewatch Wolverine Origins you can see the pain in Holden's face... I feel you, man :D
The image of Holden when Jen said she wanted to see the origin is now my screensaver
“So you got another x men movie for me”
“Yes sir i do. And i was thinking of having magneto be a villain in this one”
“Oh really but didn’t the end of days of future past convince him give up being bad?”
“Yeah so i figured we can just kill his family to make him bad again”
“Well ok then. Hopefully we don’t have to keep doing this and he is able to retire in peace”
Pitch Meeting fan spotted
I totally agree Jenn, Quicksilver is badass! I don’t think the side characters get enough love. It was awesome to see Nightcrawler as a teen. That actor did a great job!
Jen: "I'd rather watch his origin."
Holden: 😬
i audibly started to say "no, nooo!"
I really think Jen and Holden don't understand that these movies are not prequels to the original trilogy. This is a new timeline that was created because of Days of Future Past. Don't get me wrong, the X-Men movies have a ton of continuity issues, but say Jean meeting Wolverine earlier isn't one of them.
Yep. They’re not prequels. It’s a different timeline
Honestly the timeline errors started at First Class, considering Emma Frost is an adult in it, but Origins has a more age accurate version of the character, who's kidnapped with the other mutants used for that movie's "Deadpool".
@@War624 That's far from the biggest continuity error in First Class, Xavier is paralysed in the 60's but then appears walking again in 1986 (X-Men: The Last Stand), it is said in the original trilogy that Erik helped built Cerebro but it is shown to be built by Hank McCoy in First Class etc. I think that was because First Class was supposed to be a reboot until they decided it's a prequel. It's a mess.
You don't think they understand the exact thing they mention in this very video? :')
@@Wolfer1OOO Yeah, Holden mentioned the timeline change very briefly, I didn't catch it. It's just that he initially said those were continuity errors.
After listening to the discussion after the movie; her reaction to Dark Phoenix is definitely going to be interesting.
at 12:24 the way it's edited makes it seem like he says "soup....no more" which for some reason I found absolutely hilarious and burst into laughter, startling everyone around me. Tuché!
Yes I’d love to see y’all rewatch the films now with Jen having seen the prior films n knowing these characters, I’d like to see how her view on them has changed now😀👍🏽
There needs to be a compilation video of Jen’s funny character descriptions of characters she sees for the first time.
The wolverine thing was not a continuity issue. Wolverine had lost his memory regarding his escape from the weapon x project in between him escaping and the first x-men movie.
Yes it was. Mystique had him in the end of the last movie, but somehow he ended up with stryker anyway. Dropped plot point.
@@nathansossai that part is but I was moreso referring to him meeting Jean Grey
@@nathansossai That's true Mystic did save him but if a decade has passed, Stryker could have captured him during that time.
They are always setting up random storylines in post credit scenes. The Essex Corp on that briefcase is alluding to Mr. Sinister who is a major X-men villain.
It was to set up Logan
At the time, EVERYONE thought it was setting up Mr Sinister... turned out it was merely setting up the company in "Logan" that created the mutant children.
Yes but that's an annoying bait and switch. It just made sense to put Mr. Sinister in a movie if you just did Apocalypse.
@@daverowe03 honestly, I'm willing to bet they used that name to "keep the door open" for Sinister.
Who knows, there may have been an idea for a movie to take place before Logan to establish the Essex Corp was actually Nathaniel Essex.
Also... isn't the home for children in Deadpool 2 Essex, also?
The subtle power rangers theme in the background every time Apocalypse opened a portal....(slow clap). Well done.
Ahahaha thanks Britney! Glad you enjoyed it
31:00 Holden's reaction to Jen bringing up the silver surfer had me dying😂
"wh-wh-what do you know about the silver surfer? "
The “making you soup” cut was hilarious to me 😂😂
Edit: the gift that keeps on giving
Hahahaha glad you enjoyed that
It always makes me chuckle when I see everyone's attitude towards Eric at the end of the movie. The man killed millions around the world, and Charles is like: "See you around, old friend." Also, for what reason did Mystique tell Storm, a complete stranger, who just changed sides, Quicksilver's secret?
I enjoy this movie, but it's a film with a lot of errors. Unfortunately, there seems to have been no real long term planning for the X-Men movies and that's my biggest problem. The performances in this film are decent, with James MacAvoy and Michael Fassbender killing it as usual. part of the problem with the X films always seems to be the writers and producers wanting to lean very heavily on the characters that are popular in the comics instead of having faith they can take characters from the X-Men mythos and flesh them out in such a way they'll be popular. I also think the casting suffers in several places. Jennifer Lawrence has great range, but she should never have been cast as Mystique. Mystique should always look vaguely sinister and Lawrence just ends up looking like a smurf. Nicholas Holt is still just awful as Hank McCoy. If he weighed about 40 lbs more, he'd come closer to looking like the Beast, but he just doesn't come off as a super-genius who unfortunately is big, blue and furry to me. Alexandra Shipp was a good choice for a younger Storm, so I've no complaints there. Jean and Scott are criminally mishandled. Scott is a natural leader and Tye Sheridan doesn't give that impression. It seems like the writers decided to treat him like Spider-man and have him a bullied kid in school, but that's not Scott. Similarly, having the other students be scared of Jean makes no sense. It's a development from out of left field and it strikes me as out of character. As always, being a longtime comic fan works against me when watching these films because, while I understand the filmmakers can't just duplicate the stories from the comics, I feel in many cases they don't grasp the core personalities of the characters they're writing about.
I agree with most of that.. except for the Jean Grey point. I think a girl that could read your mind would be pretty scary, and would definitely push other kids away.
You want to see a movie with a lot of errors?? Watch Thor and Thor 2. Iron Man 2 and even Iron Man 3. At least Apocalypse has a few great and timeless scenes. The opening scene in Egypt is awesome. When Magneto loses his family, that's amazing, especially his acting. Quicksilvers scene is amazing but so is the scene where Apocalypse takes control of Cerebro. It gives me chills every time. I cant say I remember or want to relive that many scenes in the MCU
Would definitely be down to see her rewatch Logan. It means so much more with the context of all the other movies
Almost choked on my food when you pulled out the spud magazine. That's pretty hilarious.
Storm: What are you doing?
Chef Apocalypse: Making you SOUP
I really do love the outfits at the end by far my favourite X-Men movie outfits unfortunately the next movie really downgraded them lol. The movie itself i don't really care for but at least it had some good scenes.
Even though Jenn has already seen Origins, Wolverine, and Logan, I think you should do them again after this anyway. That way she actually knows who the characters are and has a connection to them, rather than going in blind to that series of movies.
It doesn't have to be a "first time" video, but maybe a "My Girlfriend re-watches ____"
I would love to have her renewed perspective on those movies after having watched the rest.
It still bugs the hell out of me that they swapped the Summers brothers, Scott is supposed to be the older brother, hopefully when they join the MCU they correct everything.
I am curious to see what Jens thoughts will be of the next movie, will she like it when everyone else hated it, cant wait to find out.
Can i ask why it bothers you so much? I never read the comics so maybe it's a bigger deal than i realise
@@jonathanfoster4202 fr it’s not that big of a deal
Literally who cares nerd
I totally agree, totally bugged me esp in Origins. So much inconsistencies in these movies but still enjoyable
You probably hate Jurassic Park for the movie swapping the kids from the book.
"Mackovoy Or Stewart? These timelines are so confusing!" - Deadpool
Will you guys be watching the new mutants as a part of this series? I know a lot of people arent that big of fans of it but I personally love it and would love to see you guys watch it.
I really liked it. It has issues all the delays because of the studio and then theaters closing, and I think if they had just gone the Logan route and went R rated and were able to really go crazy it would have helped. All that aside though it’s still a fun movie that kept me interested and that’s all I look for.
@29:43 Thank Eugene put me on the floor. Thank you. Bwahahahahaha
I've never understood how telepaths can't read Magneto's mind with his helmet, but they can read Wolverine's mind with an adamantium skull...
I don't think that the helmet is made of adamantium. Wasn't it made from the same metals that Cerebro was made out of? I believe it was something like that, but I don't feel like rewatching the movies to find out.
@@user-dz6fy6qv2l according to this universe, it was a gift from the Russians to Sebastian Shaw before Magneto acquired it. There are no further details about it's composition. But given that the aforementioned is true, we can safely assume the helmet is NOT adamantium.
@@callmeshaggy5166 i honestly didn't think it mattered what kind of metal it was but i guess that makes sense
(In the comics) Storm is actually from Kenia, his father is from the US, and she lived part of her childhood in Egypt. She's been Black Panther's wife. Hope to see a connection between her and Wakanda in the MCU's X Men.
The Power Rangers theme being played each time when they showed up was very funny yet gold! 😂
In the first X-men movie storm had a bit of an accent but not very thick. It’s been said Halle berry couldn’t really get the accent figured out and they just decided to cut it. I believe Brian singer mentions it in the X2 commentary.
It was unnecessary in a very uneven movie, but all the same, seeing Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine go berserk is always glorious.
LMFAOOO "youve only had a taste of your SOUP" IM DEAD
Hahaha I didn't mean to kill you!
You're running round in circles trying to work out whats canon and what's not with these. But most say that the events of DOFP change the course of history, which is why things are different moving forward with the younger cast, making the trilogy irrelevant.
As soon as Jen said “welcome professor” I was like ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US!
Finally, somebody who thinks Apocalypse is a good and interesting villain!
If you have to look that hard it's kind of telling.
@@chand911 yeah movie Apocalypse is so uninteresting. He's just a generic villain who wants to take over the world. He's not fleshed out and his design isn't good
Cartoon Apocalypse was better. Sad to say.
Apocalypse is the literal definition of a one-dimensional villain. He's got some cool powers and stuff, he's not the worst but certainly not the best either. Worst comic movie villain probably goes to the dark elf dude from Thor: The Dark World
@@mikehunt69981 I'd go with Mr Freeze in Batman & Robin.
Holden don't forget that Magneto is a Master at not just moving Metal but also Moving People through their Heart/Emotions...The Whole X-Men World/Universe is basically Professor X and Magneto Playing Live Action Chess with the Mutants as the pieces and the world is the board
I keep forgetting that Holden isn't really a comic fan so he generally does not know the facts about things that pop up in the movies. I'm sitting here answering Jens questions like she can hear me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Storm was born in Kenya Africa, she’s the descendant of a tribe of witch priestesses. She was raised in Egypt before her parents were killed, then she ended up homeless in New York somehow and was found by Gambit and brought to Xaviers school.
I don't really watch the "my friend watches" videos. Don't personally vibe much with your friends opinions and jokes most of the time, so for me it would be amazing if you rewatched the wolverine movies with Jen!
I was at the Stan Lee panel at San Diego Comic Con in 2015 and Stan said that this was his favorite cameo but could not say why at the time. It was clearly because it is the only one that also has his wife, Joan, in it.
Phoenix Force for the win, again! Can't wait to see what MCU does when they start integrating the Xmen in their universe. So much to do and fix.
They'll never make Jean look this formidable
The actor of Alex Summers is Lucas Till, who plays MacGyver in the rebooted show
I'm really glad Jen enjoyed this movie, I quite like it as well!
27:20 I remember first seeing that, made me like quicksilver even more
rewatch all wolverines
To Jen, in some alternate realities or universes Pietro (Quicksilver) and Wanda (Scarlet Witch) are Magneto's children and in this universe the movies with that reality but in MCU it is highly doubtful that they're not Magneto's children unless MCU execs decided they will spin in that direction. Magneto also has a third child named Lorna Dane (Polaris), she gets introduced in FOX series THE GIFTED, in the comics Polaris is Wanda and Pietro's half-sister.
Mystique isnt really that important, its only in the movies and because shes played by Jennifer Lawrence is she important at all--in comics she is basically a mid range villian/spmetimes ally but never really much of a main character
Got her before she was a big name, so they took advantage and pushes her front and center, even when she shouldn't be.
They rode that Hunger Games train until the tracks went out
Yes, in the comics Storm grew up as an orphan on the streets of Cairo, Egypt.
I would be interested in watching rewatches with the added context of the previous movies to get her informed thoughts and opinions.
23:20 - and that's how the first original movie started. When he ran away from the same facility.
Personally, I have a great time whenever I watch the wolverine, I know the 3rd act is a bit off but overall I think its a very good movie, which dwells on the effect of wolverines past actions. From where he saved the life of the silver samurai when he was in the army to when he took the life of someone he loved to save everyone else.
Storm’s name is Ororo Monroe, born in New York but mother is a Kenyan princess. In some comics she is married to T’Challa, made Queen consort of Wakanda.
I don’t know how can someone like Apocalypse more than First Class
18:12 "No more soup" 🤣😆😂😂😆😆🤣😆🤣
After 6 years, I still don't get the hate for this movie
The hate comes from Jennifer Lawrence phoning her performance in starting with this movie, along with Mystique being such a focus, most didn’t like that as it is such a departure from the source material. Apocalypse and his power were under represented along with his costume looking really awkward. So that’s hate from the diehard fans of these characters.
Critics felt the plot was really boring and not really well written. Generic villain wants to destroy the world plot. So this movie got it from both sides.
I don't like it because First Class and Days of Future Past had very good plots surrounding the treatment of mutants and it felt different with their approaches. The antagonists were used to enhance the plot and the movies were not centered around the final boss battles. An example of the journey being more interesting than the destination especially with the relationship between Charles and Erik.
However with Apocalypse it feels like nothing substantial really happens. The Apocalypse character in this movie is very uninteresting. He's just a bad guy who wants to take over the world and the X Men team up to fight him. He isn't fleshed out at all and it feels like Oscar Issac is phoning it in. Michael Fassbender is again fantastic as Magneto but it really feels like he doesn't do anything. He should've been continuing his struggle against humans instead of the writers giving him a family, just for them to quickly die to make him bad again. In hindsight I don't think this movie needed to happen as Days of Future's Past had a good ending and Apocalypse is a very stale follow up.
And this is coming from someone who didn't read X Men comics and got into the movies because of First Class
The worst part of the film is that it single-handedly ruins the mutant-human dynamic from previous films by having one mutant destroy entire cities and kill probably millions or tens of millions of people. At that point there is no argument in favour of not registering mutants if even one could cause that much destruction, really muddies the nuance of the civil rights metaphor of the X-Men.
Also the villain is lame AF, half the actors phoned it in, and Magneto (best thing in previous movies) is a complete flip flop whose character development is ruined.
Also..its interesting how Stan Lee based magneto character on Malcolm X & how Malcolm was hated in the 60's by many but similar to how if u knew Magneto story maybe u wouldn't hate him as much..same as Malcolm x ..if ppl knew what he went through..u would get why he did what he did
Wasn’t crazy about this movie but still appreciated getting to see Sophie Turner and Jubilee and I feel some of the special effects were pretty cool especially when it comes to Apocalypse
Ok I don’t even care about the reaction after the pop up that said “who’s Eugene?” I fucking lost it that was gold
Hahaha glad you enjoyed that!
*X-Men: Apocalypse* , *X-Men: Dark Phoenix* and *Fantastic Four (2015)* are the only movies I can think of I didn't go and watch at the theatre due to the negative reviews...
Watch Dark Phoenix for the first time the other day and was pleasantly surprised after apocalypse. Jesus I hate apocalypse
@@tylerdunnan5059 I still haven't seen Dark Phoenix
I watched Dark Phoenix on Disney+ the other day and I didn't like it as much as the other three but I still wished I had seen in in theater.
In the comics, storm AKA ororo Munroe is from Kenya and has an American father and she indeed lived in Egypt. She was also black Panther's wife until they divorced, and then dated wolverine !
X-Men peaked at days of future past unfortunately
Jen: STAN LEE!!!
Holden: That's his wife. SHE'S DEAD
Jen: Ohh