Maggie Haney's Coaching Methods
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Maggie Haney was suspended by USA Gymnastics for 8 years following an investigation and hearing that found that gymnasts at MG Elite experienced verbal, emotional and physical abuse while training under Haney. This video explores why Haney was banned and is based on published articles and TSL interviews with several families who trained at MG Elite.
Articles:
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Gymcastic interview with Maggie Haney and Aimee Boorman:
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All of this is so much worse than I initially thought. The story around 24min is so scary and so is the fact that she threatened to commit suicide if her top gymnasts left her.... At this point I feel like she should have just been banned for life. This abuse is seriously extreme, and so is the emotional impact on these young girls
It shows how nuts she is. She lacks a sense of healthy boundaries. That would follow to her personal life as well I'm sure. The suicide threat was to an adult- not a kid. The OC register is at the low end of journalistic integrity. They are the only game in town so people act like they deserve a pulitzer. By they I mean the gymternet. There is not much critical thinking going on. Who needs fact checking in the OC?
That is a narcissist who does that. If u think that is bad look at rhythmic gymnastics. There was a Russian coach telling the best gymnast she was worthless, she should go home, she's less than human. Was discusting.
if she's done that to those gymnasts, then imagine what she does to her own daughter!
@holly renee
Exactly! You can only imagine how bad it is on her.
One can only imagine...
The saddest part is how these little girls are treated as disposable place holders for medals.
Bellabell Sadly that is how most sport is at an elite level. If you are injured, unwell or just don’t perform there is always some other hopeful to take your place (no matter how abusive the situation). Bela and Marta’s abuse has been known for years, yet gymnasts continued to flock to them for a chance at the Olympic dream. Organisations like USAG like to virtual signal now and say they care for the athletes but as soon as they stop performing, they are discarded in favour of someone else. If abuse gets results, they will let it happen until enough important people (I.e top athletes and their parents) complain. This case is a prime example. And sadly, it will not be the last :/ the whole culture of elite sport needs to change, really.
@@elinat2414 It really does. I can't imagine the girls who suffered this abuse without reaping any rewards.
@@beazy1248 Probably the majority of them. I met an ice skater who placed fourth in the Olympics. She is a coach, but she wants her students to be happy. She said your chances of winning the lotto were better than obtaining an Olympic medal (or probably even making the team). She has been around long enough to meet former students as adults who regretted missing out on childhood activities. She wants her students to want to be there and be balanced.
Athletes in any sport at any level are disposable. The same applies to the armed forces. Everyone is disposable.
David Barnett Yup. That’s exactly why people need to learn to value themselves and create their own happiness rather than rely on the approval and praise of others (be it through verbal praise, awards or medals). If you rely on others to define your self worth, you are doomed to be miserable because you can always be replaced by someone that performs better....
Thank you so much for covering this very important and touchy subject!!
You are so welcome!
@@TheSkatingLesson great reporting!
I feel like this will be only the beginning.... I feel like many of the coaches that learned from the Karolyi era, have been around for decades, and have had complaints against them already will definitely be popping up again soon.
Oooh... you don't know what I think about Maggie and Vicky... 😬 eeek!!.....
Kim, Valeri, Anna Li, all are about to have exam dirty secrets come out about them……
When I first heard of this I thought this is just a case of an tough coach that went a little too far. How wrong I was....
And you best believe it is the tip of the iceberg in this elite sport. There are many coaches in the U.S like this. A few have retired but many are still coaching. They have been protected and likely are in the clear as far as what they have done in the past. I have been researching this sport since the mid 90s. In some countries it is worse than here. You would not believe what is done to very young children in some parts of the world. At least we reserve our worst treatment for the teens. LOL. Google "Chinese childhood documentary". You ain't seen nothing yet.
cynt macz cynt macz remember that video that surfaced of Sae Miyakawa getting slapped by her coach? Twice? Yeah I can’t even imagine what goes on in other countries. It truly is scary to think about what goes on behind closed doors...
@@LifeOfPia Everyone was not taken in. Supposedly she was not well liked by many insiders. Her personality is abrasive which may be part of the reason but I think she gives off the FU vibe and it bothered people.
Me too! I thought maybe she was just really competitive, and worked better with older students. This is awful.
Great job in reporting this Dave.
Thank you!
The story at 25:17 is terrifying and if I were the parent I would have hired the best lawyer possible and gone after this gym for every cent. You don’t do this to anyone, much less children.
@Matt Miller dude, the coach flat out REFUSED TO SPOT the gymnast, for a new, not mastered skill that this gymnast was scared to perform. The gymnast was pressured to go for the skill, even though she didn't feel safe doing it, she went for it, didn't perform it successfully, fell so hard and so unsafely that she FRACTURED HER SKULL. The coach then started laughing and making fun of the gymnast, instead of checking to see how she was doing.
IN WHAT WORLD IS THAT OK ???
She should not have been made to do it so absolutely wrong but I have a feeling that is not the entire story because they most def would have sued. Not all gyms spot for everything but if someone says they need a spot- you need to listen to them. The mom said she was lifeless- that is the part of the story I am doubting. The chaplain was certainly not called for last rites. There was enough mental abuse and poor training tactics in this case already. There was no need to be dramatic and add the "chaplain" as that is not what happened obviously. She most def deserves this ban. Everyone is the U.S knew she would scream and berate her athletes. That has become very very clear and is old news. The isolating and gaslighting tactics goes on in the majority of elite gyms. It has always been allowed. We are talking about kids and they need a better environment. They are usually too young to understand what is happening to them as an elite in the situation. There should be an investigation into USAG in any case.
@Matt Miller I have to agree that by making an "example" of her they will likely turn a blind eye again. They will use this as proof that they are really trying to change the culture when in reality they are just trying to deflect from their own incredibly shady history. I don't think Haney will come back- at least not in the U.S. Likely USAG hopes she will vanish and along with that all their problems will too. They gave her just enough of a sentence that she would likely have a hard time coming back and everyone will think USAG does incredible work. Insiders will realize too soon that all the same problems still exist with very limited change in the "culture"
@Matt Miller The little I know about her- she is the exception to the rule. Gymnastics is the family business and somehow she seems really healthy. Also she is very well rounded and seems happy and mentally stable.
@Matt Miller of course gymnastics comes with many risks, but hitting your head on concrete is not one of them.
2:35 I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess he means Laurie Hernandez.
This all rings true.My daughter was a gymnast in the 1990’s, not at the gym referenced.This was pretty much the standard of behavior in many of the highly competitive gyms.
It is so sad.
Yes I was a level 9 gymnast and quit at 12 years old due to the fact if I was afraid to throw a trick they would make me do “the list” which was brutal and would make us wear rubber brands on our wrist and snap them on us
They should have been charged and convicted of assault (regarding the gymnast that suffered a double skull fracture). 8yrs is 8yrs too little, should have been a lifetime ban!
Are you accusing her of hitting the gymnast?
Fiedle Dey Are you for real? Learn the law and get back to me.
Dee Callow what law is there when the parents sign a waiver and the gymnast gets injured doing gymnastics?
Fiedle Dey A signed waiver does not exempt from gross negligence which can cause or pose a serious physical injury to the other party. You and I can go back and forth on this ‘til the cows come home, I know what I’ve read, and I would have had them charged.
I can remember watching the Laurie Hernandez FloGymnastics documentary and Maggie making a comment about Laurie's legs being weird when she started growing. It kind of made me confused and caught me off guard - I still remember it and didn't know why she would say that on camera about a young girl.
She was referring to how her knees were growing as to why laurie had trouble with her knee because she ended up needing surgery for it..there was nothing weird about the comment..
In addition, Laurie had the perfect opportunity to leave at that time 2014/2015 if she was being abused so badly because she had a significant knee injury. She could’ve said you’re an abusive coach I don’t want to train with you anymore because she was out for months. At that time, Jazzy became Junior National champion. If Maggie wanted she could’ve left laurie in the dust and said forget that kid I’m helping jazzy go on. Laurie also appeared on flogymnastics after the doctors cleared her to go back and she happily says “I’m cleared” and says how she was so happy to be back..why if she has such an abusive coach did she come back?
Exactly what I thought. Crickets!
Fiedle Dey sounds like your defending the alleged abuser. And no, a child would not say “your abusing me and I’m not coming back”. These gymnasts are groomed to believe being treated like this is NORMAL!!! THAT IS A PROBLEM!
@@nessaboomommy09 that’s BS they can leave anytime it’s a free country. Blame the parents. Also, I was there the whole time and never saw anything in fact her mother herself told me it was an excellent program.
Cool, we suspended a horribly abusive coach. It's better than nothing. But what of all the other coaches who have abused athetes? How about in addition to suspending a relatively new woman who gets ridiculed over her appearance, we suspend men (and women) who have controlled women's bodies and abused their psyches for so long?
The Fongs come to mind. They are complete psychopaths. They fat-shamed, ignored injuries, psychologically destroy gymnasts, and ask their gymnasts if they are in relationships because they're not allowed to have boyfriends if they train there. And they have literally buried two gymnasts. The Rybackis were also exposed as sociopaths by Jamie Dantzscher. Laurent Landi was abusive towards Grace McLaughlin but he's hot and he's Simone's coach so I guess we can't do anything there. So many coaches are abusive, they need to be held accountable...or this is merely symbolic.
The selfie and PC talk is annoying, but Tom Forster's biggest issue is not understanding the Code. He made excuses and acted surprised when the judges called the USA out. SOooo many dance elements should have been removed from US routines and the FIG made it clear they were going to come for them. Tom acted a fool and did nothing.
@OHB Only yeah @fischerester please provide more information! I have hear both simone and madison kocian say great things about him in the past
Freaking Beta and Marta were even more horrible.
USA Gymnastics is a mess! I don't care how many medals they win. These girls have endured and suffered needlessly for these medals. They keep trying to sweep it under the rug. I hope they finally start to put the interest of these athletes ahead of medals. It's not worth it!!
I feel like I've been brainwashed into believing that the Olympics is something it's really not. Reconsidering a lot... It makes me so sad... Hearing parents over and over again mention their kid's Olympic dreams and what they had to - or chose to - endure to pursue them. Like Adam Rippon said... maybe it really is just an expensive tv show...
Well...yes, that is exactly what it is. Athletes put themselves through it for the chance of wealth, prestige, glory ect.
Most people would never put themselves through a lot of elite sports if the potential rewards were not there.
YumYumOrYuck There was a trailer for an interview with some Nassar survivors and one woman said “If you told someone that this is what you have to go through to get to the Olympics, wouldn’t you just slap them?” And that really hit me....
@@eb7446 wealth? Wealth has absolutely nothing to do with an athletes goals or dreams, and they don't get much wealth unless many sponsors get behind them.
@@eb7446 without a reward, like fulfilling a dream, nobody would do anything. It doesn't just apply to elite sports
@@dinkvjr Are you saying that guys don't become NBA players because of the millions of dollars they can make? Championship rings sure as hell isn't the main reason.
A lot of you’re saying makes a lot of sense in hind sight. I remember watching Riley at Worlds remembering how well she’d done at the US Championships when she came in 2nd so Simone. But at Worlds, she looked stressed, she’d fallen off the beam and bars and it seemed that she was so upset that she’d faltered that she couldn’t recover. It seemed like she had so much pressure on her that even Riley’s usual smiled looked strained and fake; like she was trying to hide shame. I’ve always loved Riley and she’s been my top wish to make the Tokyo team. I still wish that for her, even with new seniors coming up. I’m so glad she’s left MG and gotten far from the wicked witch of the East.
Melanie Melendez I wonder of this has anything to do with Riley’s inconsistency. Beautiful gymnast, but plagued with inconsistency and injures. Although I feel like a lot of them are inconsistent with falls all year!
true dat
I think it’s was a lot of things, over training, low confidence based on a demanding frightening coaching style, you name it. She’s young only 17, so I think the new coach maybe able to help her with the consistency and confidence in making her routines more suited to her abilities. That’s where she’ll shine.
Blame the coach when they fail and take all the credit when they succeed. Got it.
Fiedle Dey that’s rich that you think a coach doesn’t have an affect positively or negatively on their athletes, I mean “coach” is the very definition of one who conducts/controls the training of another. Look at Laurie; she was successful and yet her coach was still the cause and blame for many of her sufferings and like any abuser, the victim always wants to make them proud. You should watch what you say,
It's so sad to hear what she did to Laurie Hernandez. She had such a light in her and she's an amazing gymnast. She's one of my favorite contestants ever on Dancing with the Stars. So glad she's in a better place now!
this is so disgusting! thank you for speaking on this..i had no idea..
i was a gymnast for 10 years at very low level in germany and honestly i feel like its the culture in gymnastics to manipulate children. Its horrible but i remember that as long as you were functioning and had good results you were the star and if u got injured or, in my case, were depressed or anything youd be called out for it and immediately treated like absolute shit.
This woman (and her accomplices) should go to prison for the atrocities they have committed. This level of abuse and neglect (as mentioned at 25:00) is absolutely horrendous.
I hate how kids have been brainwashed into thinking this kind of behaviour is acceptable.
Let's be real- this is not a prison case. I wish they would have sued in that instance though. I don't know why they did not. Her biggest accomplice is USAG and that is what people here don't seem to get. There are coaches that have done worse than her that are still coaching. I am dead serious. They are more well respected than Haney ever was. Until Laurie she was pretty much an outlier who was not on the radar. There are deaths linked 2 at least 2 of these coaches. One of them (Fong) is coaching national team members and olympic hopefuls as we speak.
@@cyntmacz I know it's awful 😥 but even this case in my opinion deserves time behind bars, even if it's a few months. The kind of emotional damage she has left these kids with needs to be punished.
And I'm hoping this case will help start a revolution of sorts in USAG. I know its unlikely to happen but that's what I'm hoping for.
@@helenaprout1061 The time behind bars just won't happen. I live in the real world. Honestly that is what the reddit forum is hoping for. It is a full on fantasy. Are you kidding? This is youtube where I can at least post reality and not get downvoted. Elite gymnastics is full of emotionally damaged kids. Her punishment may not be enough but this is not for the court system. USAG however does need to be investigated. They are the number one accomplice in ALL of these cases. They are the sole reason for many cover ups. If they don't change this case changes nothing. At least the kids will feel some sense of justice but that's about it.
@@cyntmacz I know that the real world is a cruel one.
I definitely agree that USAG needs to be investigated big time. They clearly dont give a damn about the wellbeing of their athletes.
@@helenaprout1061 That is old news and Elite is its own sport very different from club or college gymnastics. I think they are using safesport to make themselves look better rather than clean house which is very unfortunate I really think they need to start from scratch. Those highest up in control have been covering for the same people for decades. The majority of those are actually still coaching! Very much unlike Haney these coaches have been around a long time and seem beloved by much of the public. Haney's gym was a small one not on anyone's radar prior to 2013. They really won't punish anything from 10 years ago. They will only look at more recent history and I have my doubts that they will go after any of these people. If they look into more than one or two I would be shocked. There are currently people on probation from several years ago and we have not heard their names recently. Were their investigations already closed?
I always wanted to know what made mg elite athletes so artistic yet physically strong/toned, it seemed like mg elite athlete were perfect all around gymnasts. But it looks like that came with a price so sad
She should be in jail with Larry Nassar, she is an abuser. I wouldn't send my dog to her ,so glad Riley,Laurie and the other athletes got away from her
I mean Tasha al opened up about the culture of abuse that tore down so many of our talented gymnasts through the Karyoli's. I think coaches were encouraged to be tough/abusive. How bout we build our gymnasts up? They work so hard. 😰
She should get jail time!! She abused children, for years, enough is enough, someone have to speak up on behalf of the girls. After eight years she will come back to coach again, on the mean time all her victims have to deal with the consequences of the abuse, perhaps for the rest of their lives.
Nobody goes to jail-with the exception of Larry Nasser. When a woman or girl complains of abuse she is sent off into a corner, ignored, and when she tries and gets put down, “ It’s all in your head”. In case you didn’t know Dominique Moceanu who had to file for a “divorce” from her parents. Because her father would beat her when she didn’t perform well.
@@sandranorman5469 Everybody is so proud, and happy when they get gold medal, but do nothing to protect them. Many people knew about Larry Nasser, because Maggie Nicholls mother complained about him, she was told the case was sent to the FBI. Instead he was relocated to Michigan University, when he continued abusing girls. Just take a look at McKayla Maroni, she is all messed up, after years and years of being abused by that monster. I think she is the one that suffered the most on the hands of Nasser.
Watch the 1996 Nationals and Trials. Tom talked trash about Kerri Strug leaving him to go back to Karolyi's AND when his athletes Teresa Kulowkowski and Kristy Phillips made errors, he was rolling around and throwing his head down on the podium whenever the camera was on him. He is horrible. Maybe not abusive but just a bad role model.
So 25 years ago he was upset when his kids didn't do well? How dare him.
@@mrreggiebird3540 I'm just saying he's a bit over the top drama queen. But it was all for the cameras. My athletes made errors and I never even so much rolled my eyes. Set a good example. They could have found someone better.
Why let her back in the Sport? Abuse is not automatic from a good technical coach....
Why does safe sport take so long though? I filed a report in 2018 and it took a year for it to get picked up by a lawyer then after months of slow moving questioning the lawyer ghosted my family. So it's been 2 years and radio silence
It’s insane how similar this is to my experience
Brooklyn Nylen Me 2
Thats so sad. I want to give you a big hug
24:27 Oh my god.
Laurie Hernandez just came out maybe a couple of days ago on Instagram about her abuse. This is so sad😭
this all makes so much sense bc watching laurie at the olympics going to hug Haney after her routine it doesn’t seem like laurie wanted to hug and it looks really u comfortable
Everyone knows that elite athletes aren't made by taking it easy and participation medals and trophies, but there are things called lines, that one doesn't cross. When you factor in the pink elephant of elites being children/teens...you end up deservingly being made an example of, w 8 years to sit in the corner and think about how you blew it.
While we're on the topic, does anyone know the deal w why Dominique Dawes is now alluding to her time w Kelli Hill as abusive, and separating herself from her? She consistently praised her up until recently.
Washington City Paper published an article on it. When she put her kids into gymnastics she started having PTSD style flashbacks and realized how damaging that environment is for kids. She's now starting gyms that she hopes will model a better way to coach.
@@kristyj4267 Thanks. It's still just sooo arbitrary and confusing, because she thanked and praised Kelli literally EVERY TIME she made a speech. Like, how are you that close to someone for that many years, and don't address them after a public 180? According to the only thing I read a while back Kelli has no idea what made Dawes do a 180, and refuse to respond to her.
Ijs, If Amy Chow comes out against her coach then it's a wrap for all of gymnastics all together, lol.
Jason Bourne follow the money..maybe a payout from USAG?
@@fiedledey437 Idk about that. There's a history of her praising Kelli, and if I'm not mistaken, she probably has the least negative reputation of all of the most famous 90s/00s 'old guard' US coaches. So, it def wouldn't be cut and dry. She mentioned something about how her husband explained to her that a lot of what she experienced is abuse. If it took this long to become a thing, I honestly just wonder if her punishment fits Kelli's 'crime'.
I finally figured out why she has so much Botox and fillers...it’s from being angry and mean all the time. Seriously though...yo..,I’m 5 years older than her and look 20 years younger for one simple reason: I don’t harbor hatred the way this woman does. I know women can have fillers and Botox and that’s fine, but in her case it seems like coaching has been the only way for her to feel power over others. She’s sick.
I 100% agree 👍
Thank you so much for this very detailed video.
First, I want to thank you for your efforts in gathering information from multiple sources before you posted this video. It would have been easy to give a reaction last week when the sentence was initially announced. Second, after hearing the testimonies from Laurie Hernandez and the unnamed athlete who was having seizures after hitting her head on the uneven bars, while Maggie Haney and Victoria Levine stood laughing, I am just disgusted. As a former gymnast, I understand that coaches do need to give their athletes a little extra nudge in order to help them overcome their fears while training new skills. However, the coaching methods should not EVER compromise the safety and overall well-being of the athlete. True, there are some aches and pains that can be dealt with, but training gymnasts with fractured wrists and dislocated knees, among other injuries, is virtually the equivalent of striking the athlete with a sledgehammer to that respective body part. Additionally, the way that Maggie tried to discredit Riley McCusker's Rhabdomyolysis diagnosis is proof that Maggie Haney was looking for a way to absolve herself during this investigation. I'm sure more will come out against other top level coaches in the coming years, but I'm glad to see that SafeSport, along with USAG, is finally holding these adults accountable for their treatment of child athletes and indicating that the methodology of the past will no longer be tolerated.
Hey! Do you think you could organize your uploaded videos in playlist? Im a new viewer and its hard going through your videos looking for gymnastics related content and such rather than maybe older skating performances. Thanks!
Go to the "Playlists" section. Theres a This and That playlist as well as playlists focused on individuals, sport seasons etc
So they can’t watch practice, yet they have all these stories of what was said.Can’t have it both ways.
If only they could suspend parents for acting this exact way.
I was just watching the interview with Laurent Landi and Nick Ruddock, and I loved that Laurent said that when Madison Kocian wanted to quit elite, he was just like "do whatever you want, just have fun". Then I come here and Maggie Haney is like "if you quit, I'll kill myself".
That's why Madison still talks to the Landi's and says praises about them. Meanwhile, Maggie said herself that as soon as the Olympics were over, Lauri and her parents completely shunned her.
Mental abuse is rampant in sports. All levels... parents and athletes brainwashed into thinking that one coach is the secret to success.... parents need to keep communication open with athletes. I am a USAG coach, my daughter was a collegiate gymnast. I pulled her from an elite program when she was 12 when she threatened suicide. It was not even her that was being yelled at. It was the older girls... she knew her day would come. When she finally got to college... under the guise that it would be “fun”.... it was a nightmare. She was at Penn State , post Bastardi and Shephard, although they were the coaches that recruited her. She was despised by the new husband/wife team coaches who were wrought with abusive behavior. My daughter was the first to file a complaint against them... fat shaming, isolation, having team members ostracize and ridicule her.... I watched my confident winner get pounded into an anxious depressed kid.... and the minions who kissed the coaches butts would make comments like she was not tough enough.... horrible. NO.. my daughter was not use to being coached by people who would launch personal attacks when she didn’t have a stick body and mistakes were made.... she ended up getting released from her scholarship. During her time at PSU, she was put on Ambien, antidepressants, and would starve herself to improve her thinness.... total BS.... I cringe when I see that this coach thinks he was defamed.... he and his wife caused PTSD for many Auburn gymnasts AND PSU gymnasts.... I was warned before she ever left for college by both a former collegiate athlete and a colleague. At that point it was too late to rethink about the PSU commitment.
It will be interesting what effect will this suit and potential change in coaching methods have on the US WAG performance in coming years. I don’t condone child abuse at any rate but feel like trying to compensate for the methods now coming to light can very easily slip off to such freedom and care that the athletes will lose their edge.
Sport is hard. And whether we want it to be so or not, appearance is important in gymnastics, not only in terms of esthetics but also for health (pressure on joints while doing all the cool tricks, etc.).
It will definitely be an interesting period before us. I wish the coaches find a happy median and dont sacrifice results and excellence to being too lenient. Finding the right balance is what makes coaching difficult, afterall.
She should be tried in court for child abuse and be criminally charged. It's so heartbreaking for these kids. Figure skating is so quiet on abuse but we know it's rampant in the sport. I mean we have a confession of a pedophile and he's still all over ISU's photos and videos.
Again this will not happen. It is a pure fantasy. People don't go to jail for that. If it was so- half of my relatives would be in jall. That does not mean mental abuse is not a big deal. It means that it will never be solved by the court system. The USAG needs to be investigated. Why are they covering this behavior up over and over again? That must be the focus.
cynt macz She caused a near-death injury. Her behaviors are child endangerment and child abuse. People definitely serve time for what she did. It’s only pipe dreams because of the systems protecting abusers like her.
@@aflautist First of all we don't know if it was near death. It was serious for sure but they would have sued if near death. There are things that you have to question. Especially the chaplain part of the story. Someone wanted us to think she was given last rights. I agree the system protects. I won't take everything I read literally and the OC register is a 3rd rate newspaper with many inaccuracies. I could give the child endangerment and mental abuse charges to my own family. Even in modern times they would not have served time. I think Haney has a disorder in the sense that she will not really ever change. I don't think she should be able to come back. It is in the team handbook that gymnasts must train while injured and everyone knew she was verbally abusive. That does not make it any better but these parents were ok with things they would not have been in literally any other circumstance I can think of. You are wasting time with your criminal charge idea. Unless of course something else comes out. I have to say I don't know anyone who has served time for gaslighting and verbal abuse of teenagers. I do think not spotting when necessary and making people train while injured is more of a lawsuit thing in this case. I can't believe nobody ever sued. That part of the U.S. is grand central for lawsuits.
It has been said already but they must have had something concrete to give her the 8 years. Verbal abuse would likely not have been enough. So basically I am not surprised about what's coming out. I seriously doubt she will make a comeback in the U.S. Eight years spans a good amount of time. This is probably like a lifetime ban to her. I would be very surprised if she showed up in another country.
if she coaches Germany then the germans will win gold bars beam floor horse
She’s not going to change in eight years. She’s a narcissist. They don’t change or take responsibility for their actions. She should never be allowed to coach.
Thanks TSL for talking about a very difficult topic in a very educational and provoking way. You guys rock.
Throw back to when I won a bars at a meet (club level) and my coach told me I didn’t deserve it.
Wow. That is disgusting. I hope you now know that CLEARLY you did deserve it!!
Why would the abuse that enabled Nassar NOT wake her up enough to change her ways? Her behavior is disgusting. There's a difference between being tough and being abusive. She is part of the ugly spot on this incredible sport.
Amy Liz if she’s narcissistic then she does not see that there is anything wrong with her actions. I don’t know her but the behavior seems to indicate that she may be. To her, she’s not the problem. Everybody else is.
Thank you for your video! Very informative. I only knew about the Eteri and Viner treatment so far. Subscribed!
They need to look at the way the NCAA scholarships are rewarded. This will be key to making any changes overall. One phone call from one coach should not be able to end an athletes chances. This is clearly a huge piece of the puzzle. Blacklisting of gymnasts from other gyms and shutting down their NCAA dreams needs to be looked at under the microscope. This puts way too much power in any one individual coach's hands. If NCAA encourages this type of thing it will be very hard to make any positive changes.
That’s another lie. They were verbal commitments. They could be rescinded at any time by the college.
@@fiedledey437 I'm not sure which part is a lie. Rescinded for a specific reason or just any reason if you fall out of favor? It seems like the system works in a very vague secretive manner.
cynt macz whats a lie is saying Maggie could “take away” their scholarship. It wasn’t officially theirs to begin with it’s only a verbal commitment. Until they officially sign that’s one thing. Some schools also require that they be admitted academically as well.
@@fiedledey437 Well that's good to know. I think on social media people are still really reacting to all of this. Some of the things being said make it seem like certain clubs or coaches have even more power than they actually do,
Winning is nice but it’s not everything....
Gymnastics and Dance has been doing this for decades. It's about time.
Thank you.
You're welcome!
Honestly parents need to wake up. As a parent it is obvious to know if something is wrong with your child. I can’t imagine that these parents didn’t know what was going on. I assume it’s similar to the Nassar situation where parents flat out said they knew what was going on but had already given up so much for the olympics. I didn’t listen to it all but there was even a parent who said her daughter texted her saying how she prayed for practice to get better and why isn’t G-d helping. WHAT PARENT Would CONTINUE to let their kid go to practice??!! And of course Laurie spoke up AFTER making the Olympics. Go back on her page and look at all the lovey dovey coach posts from the past. I 100 percent agree Maggie is awful but these parents need to get it together and take care of their kids too.
Giving me life, Dave!
I needed this because I was so confused💙💙💙💙
Her poor daughter
👏👏👏 so one coach down.....
Marya and Bella???
John Gettard and his wife???
They're 👏 still 👏 walking 👏 free!
Bradford Wade wasn’t John Geddart suspended a year or so ago?
@@klw8173 he's still coaching
Bradford Wade how is that the case? Is USAG not enforcing the suspension or is he coaching outside of USAG? His resolution is listed as pending but the interim measure is “membership suspended/suspended from all contact”.
@@klw8173 The only reason I know is because I personally know one of the younger class coaches.
Bradford Wade then you or that coach need to notify USAG and/or the media. If he’s suspended and not permitted to have any contact then why are you and that coach still enabling him?
And the Karolyi's ARE NOT to blame for Maggie Haney's behavior. Or Larry Nassar's behavior. Or John Geddert's behavior. Or Don Peter's behavior. Or the Parkette's or anyone.
While you are correct that the above are NOT to blame for Maggie's behavior!
I GUARANTEE you ( from ME, who DOES KNOW and spent more time with gymnastics than you have been alive)
The above you mentioned --- ARE ALL WORSE than Maggie--- YES WORSE!-- GUARANTEED!
Put the Karolyi's at the TOP, with Nassar, Peters next TIED with -- the Parkette's
@@yakkyuu12 Did you live at the Ranch? With your fake name. You know so much but you know nothing about me. Sit down.
@@jennifersmith314
spoken like the true IDIOT you are!
@@yakkyuu12 that's a non answer.
I 100% agree with your commentary on Forster. He is a very odd choice for the position for all the reasons you pointed out. My guess is that they just needed someone with a clean background to avoid any further scandals.
When I was 12, my gymnastics coach told me if I were lighter, he could spot me better. And this was club gymnastics. It led to an eating disorder at a young age. So sad that this sport has had so many monsters mentor children.
These same people patting themselves on the back for suspending Haney were probably part of USA Gymnastics actively brushing aside reports about Nassar just a few years ago. They don’t care about doing the right thing for gymnasts, they just care that they don’t look bad.
This is only because they have a big name complaining. They have over 50 cases many pedophile coaches and they haven’t done anything about it. I’m sorry but sexual abuse is worse than verbal abuse and it’s criminal.
I wonder how all of those idiots feel now after defending her and calling Laurie/Riley washed up babies who wanted to be coddled. There's a huge difference between tough love and emotionally traumatizing someone. Repeatedly stalking someone after being asked to stay away? Dragging girls by their hair? Threatening to ruin their careers if they tell their parents what happens at practice? Oh and don't get me started on the poor girl who fractured her skull. Refusing to spot your athlete on a skill you know they're not proficient in is beyond negligent. Then laughing when they fall...just cruel. That poor girl's quality of life is affected forever.
I am a Laurie Stan. I never liked Haney at all. To be honest I had no idea that Laurie was one of the plaintiffs. I thought she had simply moved on. I did not think they were on good terms but did not have any idea she was the major player here. I have even more respect for her now. I don't know of many people who defended Haney at least in the comments. Laurie on the other hand has been bashed for the last 18 months and called names and a fake. Riley never got hate comments on here or on reddit. It makes me sick that the same people on reddit are now praising Laurie Two weeks ago they were saying she was faking a comeback and biliking the public. There was even a piglet meme referencing her weight. The gymternet has lots of twisted folks.
@@cyntmacz Unfortunately there are plenty of Maggie stans, on insta, youtube, FB, the comments of basically any article posted... Unless it's sexual or more obviously physical, many people don't think the abuse is real. As for the hypocrites and illogical circlejerking on reddit, I'm not surprised. Many posts there are like that.
@@xochocolatechips That is true outside of sports as well. Mental abuse is often not taken seriously- especially with older kids. Some of the Haney supporters online are most def trolls. I've literally seen maybe 2 true supporters on reddit. Seriously that's it and I have been on there a lot in the past. In the gym world she was not well liked- and many people claiming to be insiders have said this. So I am just guessing that it's true. She rubbed lots of people the wrong way and was very abrasive and entitled acting. I have read this probably a dozen times. After a while you start to think there is some truth to it.
xochocolatechips I also think the parents deserve some blame, as well. Laurie’s parents left her there for nine years. I don’t understand how we hear these stories over and over again. That all the parents knew about years long abuse and did nothing.
@@Appaddict01 I think the Hernandez family had a unique situation in that their kid was there from early childhood all the way through. When she was not elite she likely was treated very differently (much better). Elite is a whole other world where these types of coaches and abuses are actually quite common. They had nothing to compare to unlike someone like RIley who did not go there until she started high school. Her parents were used to other gyms with different coaches. The Hernandez parents knew only one club and only one coach. Everyone knows Elite is tough. Parents will always be the first line of defense but this is more complex than we realize. Each case is a bit different and Elite is its own world. It has always been secretive which is why I became fascinated with it early on. I am surprised but glad the details in this case and hearing were made public. I thought the files would remain closed and the public would never get details. That is how it has always been. Laurie is a very unusual person. I really believe she has nerves of steel and she has done amazing since leaving that club and will continue to be successful with whatever she chooses to do. I still can't believe the amount of online bashing of her as recent as just a few weeks ago.
There are documentaries that provide examples of the abusive behavior from coaches. The Parkette's Documentary ruclips.net/video/UX_fED7o9Bg/видео.html exhibits some bad behavior from coaches.
Maybe the coaches think they're helping, but a lot of the gymnasts in this video seem to have suffered after this segment aired. The culture of winning at all costs has created a generation of broken athletes who are still picking up the pieces of their gymnastic experience.
I just watched the documentary, it really shocks me on how some of the coaches & Donna are so condescending when their gymnasts fail. Sure, it could act as motivation for some athletes, but if they continue to say stuff like that I can see them developing PTSD or worse. I did elite swimming for a little bit when I was 14, I remember having a goal to go to the Olympics, but after seeing this, I'm kinda glad I didn't. It wasn't something I was passionate about anything as I got older
Greatest video of all time. I used to watch it every night no lull me to sleep.
USA Gymnastics please take care of our girls! They are so strong
It’s sick that we watched people do shit like this on actual live TV (hi Mary Lee Tracy) and they never got their comeuppance.
This is a very long response, but I think it deserves some attention. I was a gymnastics coach for 20 years and retired because i finally realized the monster it had become. Or perhaps the monster it always was.
There is no reason why a new organization can't be formed using the right people. By that I mean people who are currently meaningful to the gymnastics community. An orginization which is completely and totally void of ex-ousted board members who got us all here in the first place. But there is a problem which needs to first be addressed, the culture and sub-culture of suppression.
Keep one thing in mind, the bad guys have never needed to outnumber us to win or wreak havok on this industry and destroy lives. So right now it doesn't matter how many good guys and girls there are in the sport. If nassar and guys like penney could do what they did, guess what the rest of the coaches on that list and the ones we don't know about have already done?
Right now even as i write this email, people who are committing high degree indescretions are being treated with leniency, and others like Haney who are not nearly as bad are getting the third degree and careers and reputations publicly destroyed. Therefore the culture and subculture of suppression within USAG and privaye club gymnastics is alive and well--and morphing to adjust and adapt to the new process which is now in place. Gym owners are vicariously liable for what their coaches do and don't do.
The severe treatement of lessor wrongs is a diversion tactic to draw away from the ones they are lenient to, due to the insidious political agendas of current USAG board members and private club owners who are currently orchestrating a PR campaign which serves only them and not the true interest and protection of the children and athletes. Many of which are completely under the radar. Everybody including the media is talking about the heinous treatment toward Haney, or how awful she is or was as a coach, but others far worse who are currently on the USAG suspended members/members with restrictions list--which is buried on the USAG website--who have already commited sexual abuse are being treated in a gentile manner and are not given nearly the attention that Haney has recieved thus far. All of which are briefly protected by the likes of an attorney--who says he supports SafeSport...and then turns around and defends coaches acccused of sexual abuse and then SafeSport becomes his adversary whom he undermines. He's playing both sides and no one either see's it or they just don't care.
For over thirty years the gymnastics governing body, led by Steve Penny, who was caught red handed covering up evidence of sexual abuse, lied about the Ted Stevens Act and refused to ban coaches accused of sexual abuse. Now, Haney comes along and the NGB bans her for 8 years because she is a mean coach? And her accusations also came in verbally just like the sexual assults did? Kinda odd isn't it?
LiLi, the now CEO, feels like she's showing how much and how well the NGB is willing to protect the athletes by keeping the suspened and restricted members list buried on the USAG website.
The lack of transparency within the ranks of USAG board members and private club owners is a mockery to those victims and shows what the heart of USAG and private club gymnastics is all about. You would have to know the list even exists in the first place to know to look for it. Do you know how many gyms and coaches out there who do not know that list exists? A lot.
Why isn't the list on the front page of USAG where it should be? Why hasn't it made the news? Why did they bury it in the about section of the website? When you start asking the right questions you start realizing some very interesting things. No one and no private club or gym in their right mind is going to risk catastrophic financial losses or catastrophic loss of reputation--which could easily and directly cause financial loss--and risk losing their business by reporting sexual abuse. It is easier to harbor and protect the perpetrator within a private club or university and convince everyone that its all just one big misunderstanding than it is to take a massive financial loss and have your reputation, business and ego destroyed in the process. Hence, everyone contributes to the culture and subculture of suppression, out of either fear of loss or because they were a victim of indoctrination via gym owners convincing employees of their own truths. The threat of loosing everything compels people to supress the crime.
This culture and subculture of supression within the gymnastics community will not be cured by SafeSport rules, classes or education, or any laws that make reporting abuse to the authorites mandatory. I am proof that reporting a coach and catching him red handed does nothing. It is all to playcate foolish people to build the PR and consumer confidence back up so that USA isn't embarrased at the next olympics.
To find the USAG suspended members/members with restrictions list, go to the USAG website and find the ABOUT tab. To the left of the web page you will see a list. Among that list you will find the page for the suspended members/members with restrictions list. The list used to show which city AND state the coach is from, but now only shows the state.
Of course it is ludicrous to expect everyone to be privy to the con game of sexual predators. I understand that preventative measures can flatten the curve. Nonetheless prevention has limits and will never stop abuse. Hence, why wait for someone to divulge abuse? Instead, the goal should include a process that assumes abuse will happen according to the statistics, and we should be able to discover that abuse within the first year that it begins to occur or has occurred. Third party intervention is the answer in terms of identifying problems. It should not be left to constituents of the sport. Hence, inspections for clubs and sports programs and certifications for individual athletes. Once this is understood then you can work to solve the problems accordingly. Prevention is good but prevention is only one out of three. Leaving out the other two falls short.
She shouldn't even coach football
She shouldn't be allowed to be alone with children in any circumstance, let alone be a coach of anything.
And sadly, there are other high profile gymnastics coach which I feel the same way.
@@cyrielle_ my high school coach was great. He won several state titles and still coaches to this day. He never spoke down to us and always encouraged us. We had a blood, sweat, and tears mantra but it was about hard work. Coaches like this is why kids quit sports.
I wouldn’t even let this bitch train my dog!
Can Marta, Kathy, Bela, Steve, and Al Trautwig please ALL GO TO PRISON?!
I'm so over this antiquated allowance of grown ass child abusers getting away with crimes against the athletes.
If anyone is serious about healthy reform in any sport, SOME SPORT needs to step up and reform and make examples of their abusers.
No better opportunity than NOW.
Yeah that’s why she was hurt in 2014 and continued to train and was even on video saying “I’m cleared” and was so happy to be back in the gym. She had a huge injury she needed a cadaver replacement in her knee. It’s even in her book.
sometimes you don’t realize it at the time you are being abused. In hindsight…
2:40 its Laurie herandez not Laurie Haney :D
This is the similar conduct and disregard of injuries of the gymnasts that led to the paralysis of Romanian gymnast Yelena Mukhina weeks before the 1980 Seoul Olympics. I just don't understand why this type of coaching was until recently still tolerated.
Yelena Mukhina was not from Romania, she was from the Soviet Union
I believe there will be so many other coaches getting that sort of formal complaint. Its the culture of many american coaches these days, who over the past few years have decided to replicate the methods used by soviet coaches and ultimately their success. Great to see the reform within american gymnastics. Young atheletes deserve to have fun doing what they love. To push someone to get the best our of them, is different from stripping someone from their soul to make them into robots..
Sick how they wait till after they win medals to whine how they were treated.
NO ONE WAS FORCED TO THIS!!!! NO ONE IS FORCED TO THE OLYMPICS.
yep
What a vile individual. I only hope British gymnastics is free from such conduct
It probably isnt
I used to do gymnastics (at a BG club) as a simple hobby. One time I suffered a fairly nasty concussion (I had a lump the size of an egg on my head) and I wasn't taken to the hospital or doctor to check I was alright, even though I remember how dizzily nauseous I was.
Thankfully I was completely fine though.
This is a fairly minor example but abuse exists everywhere. Its just the kids are too brainwashed and afraid to speak up.
My goodness that's disturbing to read. I hope that wouldn't happen today as other sports have taken head injuries more seriously.
@@peterdavies2287 I hope so too! Unfortunately this was only about 5 years ago.
My experience was relatively minor in comparison to the case spoken about at 25:00. I think it's awful what some of these coaches get away with because their students are too scared.
Sorry, not a chance!
I came back to see if you talked about the safe sport investigation that just happened at The Arizona sun rays gym which led to the head coach being suspended. Could you maybe make a video and explain what happened?
Yeah I'm interested in that also. I find it ironic that the guy who got suspended is from the same gym Riley is now training at. It's like she went from a mentally and physically abusive gym to a sexually abusive gym. Sadly, the reality is that most renowned gyms were established during the Karoly era, so if any gymnast has Olympic dreams, they will most likely end up in a gym that has or had some type of problems with abusive coaches.
some might argue she was just strict but no... there is a way to be strict but also be kind and whatever haney did... it was not that
Ok. But why continue going? I’m sure there are other gyms that can give your kids the same training without the abuse?
I want to fight Maggie for hurting such a sweet soul like Laurie Hernandez.
Or the Karoli’s. Parents? I remember when I was taking gymnastics (called acrobatics) back then. My teacher would make me lie flat on my stomach with my arms folded over my head, she would make the back of my head touch my butt.
she is stretching by putting your head on our butt😂 Most clubs use this stretch
?????
@@sandranorman5469 it's to make you more flexible, it's normal 😂
@Star Tetrahedron I can!
Have you seen the movie Over the Limit? Now that shows crazy verbal abuse of a gold medal gymnast.
not only the ones who end up gold medalists. so many more
@@lpoco0006 that’s why this is so scary. If the gold medal legendary gymnasts are treated like that, you don’t want to know what happens to the less successful ones
Holy crap.
does anyone know why Olivia Greaves still trains with her? I'm really worried about her safety
maggie is not a coach anymore, she is suspended for eight years. Greaves still trains at MG, but Haney is no longer a coach.
@@nicolemerkel1331 ohh I see. But Olivia still posted on her birthday, "to the best coach ever, I love you" and she never agreed with Riley and Laurie about Maggie being abusive. Interesting...
@@anikokoren3417 im assuming it is because she still trains at MG, and there would most likely be backlash if something wasn't posted because technically she is still under the coaching of haney, since she was the head coach
@@anikokoren3417 im assuming it is because she still trains at MG, and there would most likely be backlash if something wasn't posted because technically she is still under the coaching of haney, since she was the head coach
All my coaches were like this woman.. smacked us in our helmets called us names it was normal to us
It’s strange that Laurie and her parents had no problem PAYING for and utilizing her services until Laurie had her gold medal .🤨
Stop blaming anyone other than the parents. If anything, the parents should be charged with child abuse for knowingly paying someone who they claim is “abusing” their kid, or at the very least negligence for letting their kids spend so much time out of their care.
Read Laurie's statement to understand this better.
hi maggie!
erinthomasent 👋
dreaming 9to5 It’s understandable that she is trying to protect her and her parents’ reputations by justifying their negligence and participation in Laurie’s “abuse”. I’m anticipating Laurie will have a nice payday 💰💵 when she writes a book detailing how she was able to overcome her abuse.
@@KK-ji1rk she isn't doing this for a payday. And she isn't the only one who spoke up.
The topic is engrossing but this presentation was dull.
I apologize for my lack of personality.
well said
She sounds like the worst gymnastics coach in America, almost as bad as Karolyis
Oh there are many many worse. This is just the tip.
@@dreaming9to5 such as?
@@MsTickridge Geddert. Fong. Liukin. Akopyan & Marinova. Wu Jiani & Anna Li. The list goes on and on...
@@cyrielle_ oh no not liukin too! 😔 do you have evidence on liukin I could read up on?
@@MsTickridge Katelyn Ohashi has been quite vocal about her mental state while competing elite. That's besides all the gymnasts from woga who burnt out because they were made to peak too early, their injury rate was impressive ( Ohashi, bross, bauman, Kocian, hell, even Liukin nearly made it it one piece to Beijing).
They're monsters.
Perpetual scowl
Why aren't the Karolyis under indictment? This was their "tough love" philosophy, their standards that coaches were implementing.
Why aren't the parents being held accountable? It's your job to protect your child.
Someone tell me this, when McCusker falls on the bars or comes up short on the vault, what is Haney supposed to do, tell her "good job"? That's what a coach does - correct your mistakes!
I've listened to the audio of Haney coaching Olivia, and I'm sorry, but I don't hear abuse there. I hear coaching. I understand the coaching culture has changed since I was young, but I can't tell you how many times I got my @$$ chewed out by my softball coach, and I'm not traumatized.
I'm not here for this witchunt.
Reborn Snuzzles if you read laurie’s statement you can understand better as it talks about everything you said.
Most parents didn’t know this was happening to their children...
Did you listen to anything in this video that isn’t being tough or strict coaching it’s straight up abuse
@@biggestgymfan7230 Apparently her parents didn't think so when they took her to the "top technical coach" and allowed that coach to mould her for 9 years.
@@sadesekoni1231 Exactly my point. Why not?
I'm thinking Maggie might be an angry drunk and coaches hungover a lot. Verbal abuse and control.
Matthew Dunaway she doesn’t drink or do drugs.
@@rush2112911 Maybe narcissism. I don't know.
No, this is untreated narcissistic/borderline personality disorder.
@@rush2112911 how would you know lmfao? also it would be BETTER at this point if she were coaching drunk/hungover. for someone to be so evil to do this sober...
erinthomasent I NEVER said she didn’t do those things she is accused of, I said she doesn’t drink or smoke. Take your head out of your ass!
This is honestly so much of coaching, I don’t remember a coach that wasn’t evil lol
Sobre todo si es una mujer, son más exigentes
Her face looks so waxy.
Try going through the rigors of any branch of the service boot camp, and get back to me. If you think this is bad, read up on what happened to the East German Olympic female swim team back in 1972-76. I suspect that the same tactics allegedly used by Haney and the Karoli's are used in Communist China, Russia, Romania, and other nations and have been for decades. Winning is all that counts.
Back in my day, coaches were rough and you were bullied, punished, and treated like crap if you didn't live up to their expectations. If you played one sport but didn't play another, you were bullied by the coach of the sport you didn't play. That stuff still goes on today. Coaches are suspended to this day because of how they treat their players/team in football, basketball, etc. The old drill sergeant days still exist, but fans overlook it because of the success of certain teams in football or basketball. Naturally the old drill sergeant coaches explained their methods by saying they were trying to make men out of boys.
The hyper-offended and ever-triggered left has now infiltrated our beautiful sport, and the quality of our gymnastics will suffer for it. She was targeted IMO. Not randomly -- no, instead it's because she's young and white. She's a tough coach -- that's why she produces champions. Everything's going soft and I just CANNOT roll my eyes hard enough.
This is terrible but Playing while hurt and coaches being assholes is nothing new in any sport! Not saying this is correct it’s definitely not but my problem with this whole thing is that Laurie was with Haney for 9 years! Laurie literally turned her in right after the Olympics! Like thanks for making me a now famous Olympic athlete that has become rich... oh and by the way here’s your subpoena! I don’t get it! Is this the way you thank someone for helping you become an Olympic champion! I’m not a devils advocate by any means! But there has to be a better explanation for why she stayed with Haney!
nice point
I doubt she wanted to make big waves before the Olympics and put her chance in jeopardy. This was when Martha and others were still there and it might not have gone over well.
In this video he says they had an argument after the Olympics so my guess it was more because of that. She also got an agent who is notorious for lawsuits. And then there’s money to be had I’m sure.
14:00 Implying Tom F is abusive or in any way similar to Nassar is shameful and dangerous. While the content creator doesn’t go that far against Haney who btw is female smh
I am probably in the minority but I agree she should not be banned. Ppl can change and she does have value which other athletes praised it seems. It should be justice not revenge.
And at what point should she be? When she actually kills someone? Would you let a school teacher treat your kid this way? You're so deluded.
I hope you can accept revenge when it is served out to you.
@@admetric the justice she deserves is years in prison. Child abuse is incredibly serious and child abusers do not change. Take it from someone who's ex teacher is in prison for child molestation.
@@helenaprout1061 This is not a molestation case. Critical thinking is needed here. I am a victim as well but I am not going to "project:". I seriously doubt she will change so I don't think she should be allowed back. The prison system is not going to solve this however. WIth sex abuse you don't want them working in Home Depot but what is going to yield the best result in this case? She is a terrible person and you can have whatever opinion but it really does not solve this.
@@exxxxcellent It was no secret that she was verbally abusive. It was well known by parents, other competitors, and coaches. There were things parents did not know as well- but Hamey was never really beloved. She was not in the game long enough and her personality apparently rubbed many people the wrong way. These parents were buying into an Elite Gymnastics dream and this is a world away from school sports. The parents should have been the first line of defense but the realities of elite make this difficult. In the U.S there have been deaths and serious injuries. The number of deaths is really low but there are tons of injuries of all types. Remember as in many elite gyms- her athletes were required to come to gym injured and still do some type of workout. The parents agreed to this which I think is very very foolish but it is actually standard. Elite gymnastics is not good for your body. It does harm even in the best case scenario.
But what did she do?????? A tough coach ? I've never heard of such a thing.
There's a difference between being a tough coach and being mentally and emotionally abusive toward the athlete..calling an athlete "messed up in the head" is wrong no matter what way it's looked at.
@@Jac-Jay very true so where are the parents?
@@letsdothis3332 they were the ones that called her out and are reason she got banned,granted it took a while but at least it's a move in the right direction.
Montrosesister12 the mother even worked there now wants to claim in 2016 she never knew anything when she was there all the time.