How to Land a Boeing 777 without Any Engines
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2013
- Just one minute away from landing, both of this planes engines suddenly fail. #planecrash
From: TERROR IN THE SKIES: Technical Meltdown
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The video should've explained why raising the flaps was such a brilliant move.
In landing configuration on final approach, everything is hanging out, and fully-deployed flaps are creating a lot of drag. Power from the engines compensates for that.
Lose the power, and the drag starts slowing you down FAST. Bad Thing.
Raising the flaps a notch decreases the drag more than it decreases the lift, flattening out the glide path. Dumping the nose gets some airspeed back and at least avoids the fatal low-altitude stall.
Cheers, Einstein.
Well, _I_ appreciated the explanation (even though I know this stuff).
Not everybody knows this stuff.
***** David Andrews ...... Adam West obviously does. I'm going to ask him next time ...
ransby5032 Ask him about quantum mechanics while you're at it ...
But why did the captain only raise the flaps by one notch... if they had raised it to flaps 10 wouldn't that have given them enough time to make the runway still? Don't know, just asking
Who doesn't love good pilots?
Satan
+DutchGamesHD True
+Cipi SixZeroFour Bad pilots
+Petter Nybråten Why are they bad pilots?
+Marc Davey You're reading me wrongly
The real trick would be to take off in a 777 with no engines.
David F
CAT 7
tryithere That's impossible. You'd veer off the runway.
You can't take off without getting off the runway. If it's on top of a cliff, you're golden....but not for long.
😂😂😂ur fucking funny
love it lol Don't know why but "where we're going, we don't need roads" came to mind from (we all know the movie) :)
The simulation of a Boeing 777 Accident... in a B737 Simulator....
+Nicesisten who cares he' s just showing how things are done.....not many people know there is a difference nor do they care.
There are no eyebrows the 737,707 and 727 all have eyebrows
keri caye well regarding professionality it is important. These 2 Aircrafts do have different flying behaviour, and even though they roughly have the same Systems, they are different in some aspects. People might also think they just did it quick and didnt research well, which pulls more of the proffessionality down.
You must be a pilot...see..that intelligence! ..
principles of flight same on any aircraft!!
title: “how to land a boeing 777 without engines”
me: “ahhh just the tutorial i needed!”
ikr ! im flying a boeing 777 right now and both my engines sre stalled. wish me luck !!
@@amor7886 ayo?
Same
Essentially why BA is such a good airline. Not the most extravagant or luxurious, but trustworthy and very safe.
B-but how bout ryanair
Lol
@@Iroction IKR
Also QANTAS but yes
@@Iroction but the hard landings tho....
@@tqueTheIdiot It may have hard landings, but it's still a safe airline
Only a British crew could have acted so professionally with almost no warning and no time to think. That's why we own the world.
rubbish!!!
rudy EUSTACHE Tell me why.
John Smith
Troll or stupid?
aSASa45454 Honest
John Smith ...Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves, both sea and air right.
Turning into a 737, as shown at 1:38, would have been a bigger problem
Mark Iliff especially the max
All passengers crushed to 1/3 scale ;)
Any time you can walk away from a landing, It's a good one...
+T H never fly with a pilot that say that...
This is true...
Everyone dead but me , good landing
+T H Unless your wingman if your flying fighters, your GIB, a passenger or passengers (as well as crewmembers) or people on the ground don't.
Right...
you mean, "How to CRASH a 777, and not kill anybody."
or "How to SAVE over 300 lives in an emergency situation"
+Ben Berman @
Clap clap clap...wow
This 777 is one of the few Boeing that has cheap build Rolls Royce Trent engine that have a tendency to explode and it's the same engine on the Quantas A380 where the engine exploded. Presently Boeing refuses requires all 777's to be sold with the GE G-90 engine. If this plane had GE G-90 engines it would had a perfect landing. Rolls Royces enging suck and are second rate!
Flamer Gamer2018 2 years late lol
Made me appreciate my pilot training even more. Knowing to land without engines is a great skill to have in situations like these. I instantly knew what they would do after the engines failed. Very good reeaction from the crew and I'm glad everyone survived.
The Captain should receive far more recognition than he does. He is the HERO in this whole incident. I have studied this incident in depth and Captain Burkill did an outstanding job. Best wishes to you, Maria & family.
British airways pilots are awesome
British everything is awesome :)
kingmcbrian thank you. 😂
They are but sadly they fired the Captain because he didn't take the plane from his First Officer. It was simply unjust.
@@Aviatr23 fake news, they didnt, i have seen that the captain is still flying for BA. What a humble pilot
Right
I flew the Boeing '757/'767 (a common type rating) but not the '777. Most of my time was in '737-200s in the '70s and '80s and some in '727s in the '80s. which means I know something about how the wing flaps on Boeing jets operate. First of all they're Fowler Flaps which lets air through rather than making it go around. Then wing flaps create more drag than lift, and for each lower setting the aircraft's stall speed goes down a few knots. Leading edge slats go out to add lift at the flaps one position where besides them dropping out the trailing edge flaps go backward a few inches giving a little more wing area and lift. The next position used is flaps 5 where the trailing edge flaps go backward some more. Then at flaps 15, the last position used for takeoff, the trailing edge flaps start angling down. At flaps 25 they go down a little more, and at flaps 30 and 40, the normal landing flap positions, the trailing edge flaps go almost straight down behind the wing, creating more lift and even more drag. So the British Airlines captain made a good move when he got rid of most of the drag the flaps entailed by moving the flaps to 25. Moving them to 15 might have been better, but he only had a few seconds to react. A jet without power drops like a rock, so in my opinion the fact that there were no fatalities constitutes a terrific job of airmanship.
So what you're saying is "I agree with the video, the pilot did a great job in the time available."
No fatalities ! He's nothing less than a life-saving hero !!!
Thanks Sabra S. If the engines would have quit at a much higher altitude in a similar situation would it be easier to glide the plane or harder?
***** Thanks for the answer Michael. I kind of figured that but I didn't know for sure because I'm not a pilot. You are an amazing and talented man to be able to fly such a great machine.
It seem to me be mathematical possible to land the plane safe. But the pilot didn't know that an engine failure will occure and can't calculate in time. (2nm with 750ft). I didn't know if flaps to 30 and 40 are realy add lift. In aircrafts without speedbrakes this positions are only used to add drag (no flaps 1:17 to 1:40). For 15 maybe the plane was too slow. I'll hope BA train landing without engine now.
That instinct to pull up is strong. Look at the accidents from or ending in stalls. It takes intensive training or really cool heads to push that nose down at 320 feet.
They have bike-pedals in the cockpit to spin the engines manually. Why didn't they use them?
I guess they figured if the bike bell didn't work they might not have much luck with the pedals :D
Somebody stuck baseball cards in the spokes to make that motorbike sound.
123 People want to die in a crash
They were british pilots... exercise is nonsense to them xD
Because the chain broke loose
Wow, that this is one hell of a flight crew! I bet they had the shakes for awhile after that landing, though. Incredible thinking and cool heads.
Thanks.I learned everything about landing 777 with no engines .!!!
Great, now just don't fly it into any buildings.
This 777 is one of the few Boeing that has cheap build Rolls Royce Trent engine that have a tendency to explode and it's the same engine on the Quantas A380 where the engine exploded. Presently Boeing refuses requires all 777's to be sold with the GE G-90 engine. If this plane had GE G-90 engines it would had a perfect landing. Rolls Royces enging suck and are second rate!
This video is literally showing you that it’s impossible to land a plane without engines...
@@OortCloud Try the Gimli Glider
For the benefit of must-know techies like myself, the accident was caused by water ice in the fuel clogging oil/fuel heat exchangers. It had accumulated on the inner surface of fuel pipe walls, and when the landing procedures produced an increase in temperature, it broke free and formed a slush on the exchanger filters. I counted ten other You Tube videos on this flight (Flight 38). It also has its own Wiki article.
they really need to pay pilots more money.
Considering they are responsible for so many lives, and millions of dollars' worth of aircraft, yes.
*****
they make crap $. the cl;asses u have to take are expensive as hell the tests u have to keep doing to keep ur license is expensive as hell. Chances are unless ur a private jet pilot flying G6's ur going to be in debt for the rest of ur life.
***** If you are fortunate enough and spend enough time and training to get into the 72's....then yes, you can make a decent income. But if you are on a little route, or flying anything less.....your income takes a substantial hit. Those are just facts Deermeyer1.
***** Hmm, well, let's see, take it from a mechanic? Or a 30 year veteran of commercial aviation? Hmm, let me guess on that one. lol....I will go with Sully over you Deeremeyer every time. Have a great life and I mean this part...congrats on your career....you worked for it, you deserve it...I'm just saying, corporations have a way of fucking people over in case you didn't know. But again, I digress...I will take the word of Captain Sully, not you thank you very much
***** Lower rung pilots really don't make a lot of money. It's unfortunate, but it's just supply and demand working against them. More people want to be pilots than there are jobs. It's a cool / fun occupation. That is not true of mechanics. There is less supply of mechanics than the demand, hence the pay is better. Simple concept at work. I'd like to think that my pilot was making more than my plumber, but it's probably not true if I'm flying a puddle jumper route in a smaller plane.
BRILLIANT, what a difference an experienced crew makes in a crucial situation?
When you compare the crew of this British Airways B777 "crash landing" in LHR with the ASIANA B777 "crash landing" in SFO makes you evaluate thoroughly your choice of air carrier and level of experience of their crews!
If BA38 had happened at SFO, they would be in the water. The two accidents are not really comparable.
FYI- oktal3700, do your do diligence before uttering incorrect information!
Check the length of both runways, in each respective airport and you will find out they are very much compatible. They both landed short, the sad part is that ASIANA had a perfectly functional aircraft that they obviously didn't know how to land. British had lost engine power!
TWTR4EVER I know the runway lengths, so what? BA38 touched down 270 metres short of runway 27L at LHR. I repeat, if it had happened at SFO runway 28L, they would be in the water. Wait for the NTSB report before making unfounded claims about the Asiana accident. Also BA38 did not run out of fuel.
***** The engines died , BA38 lost power, ASIANA crew had a perfectly working aircraft and the inept crew crash-landed the B777. That's a fact!
Good job crew. That is what all the training is about. How to know what to do in any circumstance and do it without wasting a second. What’s even better, is that through all that, you kept everyone on the aircraft alive and able to tell the tale of how the brilliant pilot saved their lives. Well done.
Geez! Great thing the engines failed there and not in the previous 11 hours over the ocean!!! Some pilots are just AWESOME!
I thought the exact same thing when I watched this program but it later went on to explain that it was only as the plane descended to warmer air that the ice crystals dislodged and blocked the filter. Even if the engines had failed during the flight I don't think it would have been too disastrous.
Adam West What do you mean wouldn't have been disastrous if it failed during flight? You mean you think they ice would have melted during the glide in time to restart?
mrhoffame They would have time to troubleshoot the problem and planes are designed to glide without engine power, even large airliners. The crew was obviously very skilled because they managed to react at the sudden loss of power so I wouldn't class a no engine landing as being beyond them. The landing would be the same sort of situation as this but they would have had more time to prepare themselves and the aircraft. I believe the first plane to land without engines was a 777.
Adam West True,but wasn't most of this flight over ocean lol?
mrhoffame They came from Beijing, didn't they? I would have thought they'd have gone across Asia & Europe.
Thank you for this How To video. I was just about to land my 777 in my backyard but realized that it would be more fun without any engines.
Real cute.
If my airplane ever loses power I want these two pilots in the cockpit of my bird.
In the cockpit of your bird? Pervert.
@@ayegoonthen.1329 Bruh your the pervert there thinking that 😂
Mate we need more Pilots like these. Cheers Flight Crew
Great piloting guys. Congratulations and thank you for saving many lives. Excellent work!
I remember seeing this in airplane investigations. I think the problem was ice forming on certain parts of the fuel-lines. Normally if this happened higher up, the ice would have melted eventually and all would be well again. But because they were so low, they had no chance whatsoever of recovering. Credits to the crew and captain for doing exactly the right thing with seconds to decide.
This issue is solved now with an adjustement in the fuel-system :)
This tutorial saved my life as well as all my passengers.
Today my 777 failed both engines during short final. I googled "how to land a 777 without engines" & this video popped up 1st, thank god the video was short & informative. Much appreciated. :)
Luckily the pilot made the right decision in the very last moment! Could have ended differently. BIG THUMBS UP!!!
It is events like these that earn such enormous admiration, respect, and gratitude that there are such pilots that use wisdom for quick critical thinking to avert disaster to preserve so many lives.
Frigin' amazing! That's why you have experienced pilots in the cockpit!
Charles Harris Not in Airbus. If their computer dies, so do all their passengers. Most of their pilots don't have a clue about real flying.
+Simon Jesuit "Sully" Sullingerger was flying an Airbus at the Miracle on the Hudson.
*****
Thanks for fixing my bad typing.
During an engine failure, we were always taught the general rule that you first attain the right glide slope speed and never "clean up" the airplane by raising flaps or gear. I have always felt that a pilot should "do whatever is necessary at the time", which is exactly what this pilot did. Brilliant and it saved hundreds of lives.
Atharva Naik Since you're now landing without power, the pilot has to quickly change the plane wing configuration of a controlled power landing.... to a glider.
Atharva Naik .....are you saying that there are some commercial pilots would not know how to fly a glider?
DouglasUrantia Don't think so. Any pilot needs to know. I think they all do. But let's hope they will never have to experience it.
Atharva Naik I think he retracted the flaps from 30 degrees to 25 degrees to reduce some drag. That is an extremely small amount of retraction. If he had reduced them to 15 or less he would have lost lift and dropped/stalled.
Think outside the box. The people teaching may be flying a desk & have no idea what pilots are encountering up in the air.
....and not mentioned but thanks to the flight attendant crew for doing a great job during the evacuation!
Had the engines failed completely even a mile or more from where they did fail, we'd probably be hearing of many fatalities. This was a true miracle. The fact that it happened just short of the runway and the quick thinking of the pilot to level the flaps saved them
One of the best landings ever seen in the world!
Reminds me a bit of when my car stalled once on the way to Blackpool !
was on my way to pick my Father up from Heathrow, and drove passed the crash. I won't ever forget that feeling of being an Aviation fan and seeing a stricken aircraft on the ground. Thank god the Pilots managed to avoid the road directly adjacent to 27L runway. ATC and the flight crew are trained for this incident, but you can imagine the adrenaline rush when it is actually happening. Well done to those who were all so professional in their individual jobs that they avoided the incident becoming any more serious.
Excellent job with respect to the British Airways pilots. Their quick thinking saved many lives.
Praises for an experienced pilot who's had a rough landing or two.
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing.
and thats why we clap when a airplane lands
Agreed, If nothing went wrong on the flight, why clap? the pilots are doing their job. Just like a bus driver, Now, I know that flying a plane is harder then driving a bus but still.
Flying a plane is easy if nothing goes wrong
Are you saying the fuel froze?
Where we are we don't clap when AN airplane lands because it's a normal thing. Same as we don't clap when a lift goes all the way to the ground floor or the toilet flush manages to dispose of the fecal matter.
Michiel Smetsers
Clap? I've never seen it. Clap when you get your car across town safely that's a million times more dangerous.
The pilot of this plane has balls made out of steel or titanium ....people on this plane were very lucky to had him as a pilot that day for sure. Unbelievable reaction the man literally was 100% ready for such unfortunate event
He sounds like one of those pilots who "becomes the aircraft", very instinctual, like a bird.
It calls training,training and training That what happens when rich airline spends good amount of money on pilots training. Next time when someone buying airline tickets better spent bit more for the good name airline
I know several examples when British Airline's pilots experience saved the day. One was when I belive it was 747 after flying near by erupted vulcano experienced total engine failure due to pyrosiduc blust, pilots weren't panic and able to restart some of engines and land plane safely
***** Sure thanks!
Nick Pol no such word as pyrosiduc. or blust. were you refering to pyroclastic dust or eruption ash? good photos of it here: volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/tephra/ashandaircraft.php
Currently on final approach, thanks for the help!
Freaking great training! I need more of these stories.
And the engines quit becaaaaaaaaaaaaaause?
Ice in the fuel lines broke free and clogged at the oil heater exchange on both lines. Effectively starving the engines. Took investigators years to find it because of course the ice melted long before the engine fuel lines could be inspected.
Keith Davey is there any other factors as well?
SickboyOuO Nope, just that.
SebNeuhaus thanks I want to know as much aviation knowledge as possible
This apparently was the cause also of that plane that crash landed in San Francisco. I can't remember the details, but it was apparently an ice issue as well.
So what caused BOTH engines to fail at the same time?
viksra Ice in the fuel system clogged the fuel supply to both engines
***** Ah -- thanks!
viksra Ice actually formed much earlier in flight but the demand for more power during approach dislodged the ice, clogged the fuel system and led to flameout.
viksra It was hacked.
Eric Alexander I knew it was the Illuminati all along.
1 quick idea saved many lives
Hats off to the pilot
This was an issue during the early B777 delivery, my co worker also experience same situation on a cathay pacific bound to hk from manila the engine suddenly stops and the plane drops from cruising altitude , he's already saying his prayers when engines starts working again omG thank you for a new life for my friend .
British airways pilots are badass. and thats coming from an irishman. bags of respect
Sad that but he lost his job
@@67466476 I have not verified the story but apparently he left for 2 years but then came back. If true I guess he had to get over what happened and work through PTSD or other mental health issues, if that is the case I for one have so much more respect for him.
@@Chilukar the pilot did get his job back hes flying in a Airbus A380 british airways now
Plane crashes- Smithsonian Channel- *It's brighter here*
Everybody survives- *Dull black outro*
60 seconds before landing this very big aircraft is like the 750 lb. glider that I fly for fun. What the pilot did to prevent a deadly result is exactly what I do for every landing - maintain airspeed and keep the nose down to avoid a fatal stall. The glider has spoilers (panels that pop up on the wings) to increase drag and get the glider down for landing. The flaps on the 777 are different, but they also increase drag, so he had to raise them quickly. Dropping the nose also increases airspeed and lift to prevent the plane from "mushing" onto the runway - dropping down too fast and at an acute angle. Most of what pilots do flying a big commercial jet is quite routine and involves monitoring instruments. This was not routine and required excellent airmanship skills on the part of the pilot. This pilot's actions were precisely correct - airspeed up, nose down - and there is no instrument that would have helped him. A huge part of training for flying big airplanes is focused on that one moment when everything goes wrong at the worst possible time and the people on the aircraft must depend on the pilot's flying skills to survive.
The old ice in the engine fuel line gag! Get you every time
Gimli Glider was a really good story about coming in too fast with no engines
yes a great canadian story
+Philip Carroll How does Canada come into the equation?
+oldfart4751 It was Canada Air flight
+20rubberducks This is a British Airways flight, listen to the start of the video, plus it has the BA livery.
+20rubberducks I think you need glasses and a hearing aid.
The real trick though is how to TAKE OFF a 777 without any engines. Now that takes real skill. Or maybe magic?
Fred Flintstone technique?
lol ;o) true.
Takeoff without engine? Depends. Most will reject takeoff when both engine failed before or at V1.
***** I don't agree that every pilot in the world will do RTO if all engine failed during takeoff roll.. Some will not reject takeoff, as I said, "depends". Depends on aircraft type, condition etc.... ie, HKG airport= 3800 meters, took B77W 2300 m to reach vr at speed of 328 km/h. 3800-2300=1500 m. A full load 77W needs 2000 m to a dead stop with speedbrakes, reverse and wheel brake. The plane will dive 500 m off course. In HK, 500m off course=traffic then ocean. Not to mention, "Dry condition" If it's a rainy day, the pilot can't relied too much on wheel brakes coz the plane will ended up sliding.
Other condition like weather. Higher temp means thinner air, the plane must reach avg 5% faster in order to gain same amount of lift as cooler weather, that mean RTO during roll is impossible without killing or injure some passengers or dudes on ground.
Planes can actually takeoff and climb a bit when both engine failed. What they do is, push flap lever to maybe 5 or 10, glide as far as possible then land on whatever smooth. That's actually safer than hitting brakes and smashes something and causes explosion.
A standstill explosion is deadlier than explode while traveling at certain speed.
It doesn't take skill...
It takes KERBAL SPACE PROGRAM!
I have always respected our pilots for their skills, intelligence and more. I CAN'T WAIT to see this year "Scully" or what ever the name will be, the film Clint is directing about the flight Captain Scullenberg landed in the Hudson....I'm excited!
Thank God for such a brave captain he knew exactly what to do he brought all those people home so they could live another day 👍🇺🇸
An incident involving a 777. The simulator of 737NG. The external animation with 737-200. A passenger video from an A320. Jesus fucking christ, who directed this?
Good job pilot !
I am in tears watching this video. God BLESS those wonderful pilots. I can feel their terror as they try to figure out not only what is going wrong, but trying to figure out what to DO. Hard to know what to do when one doesn't know what is happening. God bless them! sheeeesh!
The new History channel. I love this channel.
WHY did they "lose engines"? What was the cause?
The plane had been flying over russia in temperatures of like -50 odd in degrees centigrade not farenheiht, and then as they descended into heathrow the fuel had ice in the pipes and it got to "sticky" temperature at about 5 degrees and as the pilots demanded extra thrust after the engines had been at a steady level for hours all the ice came off the pipes and built up on a part designed to melt the ice. This part wasnt flat it had pipes at differant heights to make it better for when there is less ice, but in this case the part stopped the ice reaching the heat and therefore blocked the fuel flow and the engines "failed", the investigation company could not recreate this exact flight though it took them something ridiculous like 500 attempts
+Marie Joy There is a show called Mayday on Discovery channel which shows the Whole European Aircraft Safety Boards Cause's. It's Quite Good. They have since fixed the Design of the Heat Exchangers.
+Marie Joy ran out of petrol
+Marie Joy The cause was ice crystals blocking a screen in the fuel system. Almost impossible to find because by the time they started looking the ice had melted! A great episode of Mayday tells the whole story.
Your life depends on people trying to imagine any possible thing that could happen to a plane. (Amateur professionals, basically.) People the aircraft industry apparently doesn't have enough of. You know, such musings delay the development workflow. So we still have a worrying level of trial&error in that sector. Like software development. Scary.
there was ice in the engine and the fuel cant come to the plane, result: stall , the pilots did a good job
yeah thats what i mean but im dutch so i didnt know exactly the words
yes there was condastion inside the fuel lines and like that blocked some oil filter thingey and like starved the engines and like boom
yeah bro your right
no the honeycomb pattern that the fuel goes though to heat it up using engine oil it now recessed to ice cannot form
cmallen76 it was a engine issue with RR not Boeing
A few people are extremely thankful for this mans action's
Well done captain ! I would fly with you any day!
Oklahoma state
Am I the only one that always is happy when he sees the people that were on board getting interviewed?
Yes. Me too. Im always grateful to hear survivors. It doesn't make the accident less interesting if no fatalities occur.
The best flight is the one that fails to make the evening news and is deemed "uneventful"!
they better thanked the pilots for saving their lives
it's scary but every plane trip l have l thank the pilots and people on the plane and say:
Thanks for bringing me on the ground safely, they smile and say bless you for your support means a lot
How to videos are always so practical.
*great tutorial, definitely trying this later*
FUEL LINES FROZE UP as a result of extreme low temps over the pole. Engines were deprived of vital fuel...also there might have been a bit of water in the fuel as well? Big changes in the industry to avoid this from happening again ...WE HOPE!! Pilots should have gotten a bonus from the Queen for this bit of flying..
the pilot actually got sacked...
ApathyOnPC Took redundancy - there's a difference
ApathyOnPC WRONG !
Michael Potter nah.. i think they fell asleep ;D ;D ;D ..
They replicated a B777 crash in a B737 Simulator.
10/10 ACI.
That's a cool head in a really bad situation. Much respect to the crew!
That's a good job being clever with the title and not really being dishonest. It worked on me. I clicked.
What caused both engines to fail? out of fuel?
ice in the fuel lines, (it's a long story), they had been flying for hours with a low power setting, then the engines tried to go to high power just before landing, the ice bunched up and blocked the fuel / oil heat exchanger (the thing that's supposed to melt the ice in the fuel).
It took many months of testing in the lab to repeat the problem.
Niels Daemen physics
The simulator is a Boeing 737 -.-
Verrückter Pilot HAHAH i Know
Verrückter Pilot yep
Verrückter Pilot lol
Verrückter Pilot they should do their research
And it doesn't even give an exterior view recreation of the actual event. Disappointing. Plus video title wrong.
Can someone please explain to me why it's safe here to raise the flaps a bit during the descent? I thought ( I read that in a book) that it was an absolute no-go that during final and you loose speed, you can raise the flaps up again to gain some speed because that will only make you drop even faster. Anyone here to answer? Thanks!
Hugo Zeilt Yep, Who's Expert or Professional know can do it. But BA Pilots doesn't think make quick resolve to land....so too late as loss speed until reach runaway length. Shame !!
You are definitely right but what they are referring onto here is situational. Watch again at 2:03 and listen carefully.... he just raised the Flaps (because obviously it was on down position) just to make it straight and streamlined with the wings.
Hugo Zeilt
Yeah, the Starfighter had almost no wing. Had to have crazy airspeed over the wing to get enough lift. It was fine in flight as long as you respected its speed/engine-temp limitations and didnt ignore the shaking-stick warnings, but take-off and landing took an awful lot of runway. Landing speed was over 200mph, and pilots generally didn't throttle down untit actually on the ground. If you put the F104 into too high an angle of attack, it would pitch up and go into a stall from which it was almost impossible to recover. That and a downward-firing ejection seat could make your ride quite eventful.
When you put the flaps down you get more life but lots of drag slowing don't the plane so when you put them down you have to add power with no power he puts them up and that gives him less drag but less lift
Flaps allow you to fly at a lower airpspeed, but they also cause drag. That's fine when you're under control, because you can aim to fly at a nice slow speed with your flaps - but at that moment they didn't need lift as much as they needed to get over the boundary fence and equipment. Better to come in slightly steep and fast (no flaps) than to stall out at 200ft due to too much drag. To maintain 30 degrees of flaps, they'd have to drop the nose to stay above the stall anyway, so would've just come down steeper.
Or more simply: Flaps without power = a steep, sharp descent at a lower ground speed, possibly with a stall
No flaps without power = a more shallow descent at a higher ground speed, but with much less risk of a stall stall
The latter isn't ideal, but better a "high groundspeed speed, low descent rate" belly skid crash landing, than a "low groundspeed, high descent rate" bellyflop. Flaps in this case would've turned a crash landing into simply a crash.
From my understanding there is no fast way to restart the engines if say the fuel cutoff level was down. So close to the runway their approach would be based on maintaining a small amount of thrust aswell as other variables wind speed and direction runway length etc but the engines are crucial. Incredible job in a totally unexpected set of circumstances to give them enough distance to land over the perimeter fence 👏
*terrain terrain pull up*
"BUT I'M AT LIKE 100 MPH I'M STALLING"
Kelvin... it’s knots, not mph
thank god...... they all survive
+MichaelKingsfordGray the same one that killed the engines.
+DAM FLA LOL
+DAM FLA Ice killed the engines not god
+MichaelKingsfordGray I thought Odin fucks his wife Fricka? BTW, if any god killed the engines, it would be Thor, not Odin -- and probably WITHOUT au"Thor"ization from Odin, too!
In a Piper, I was taught to lower the nose, get your airspeed up, and float in on ground effect, works great, may save you a few hundred feet...
It's always good when everyone walks away. Well done. If you like this story, check the Gimli Glider.
Shhh don't tell anyone it ran out of fuel, LOL
It didn't run out of fuel, ice blocked the fuel lines. It was a problem never seen before, and after this incident (& a heckuvalot of research by the AAIB, and a minor redesign of a component by RR) should never be seen again...
***** No it didn't. It had plenty of fuel. The fuel just couldn't get to the engines.
***** No, the fuel was there and the engines were there, but neither of them ran. ;¬)
THANK GOD THE PLANE LANDED SAFELY.
Just kidding. Thank the pilots.
Your first statement was true also
I agree
Thanks for the tutorial, now I can land a 747 without either of it's engines
I'll remember this for when i next have to land a Boeing 777 without any engines. Thanks Smithsonian.
They always manage to track down that one drama queen passenger who knows dick about the principles of flight, and wants to talk talk talk about their harrowing event with great flourish.
+SillyPuddy2012 You've been moments from death then, eh?
factnotfictionpeople More than you know. But that passenger was a looong way from death by airplane during the interview. Pretty sure the adrenaline had worn off by that point.
So then, tell me about your brushes with the reaper.......
factnotfictionpeople What's the point. This is the internet, it's not like you would believe me anyway right?
+SillyPuddy2012 I take your point and I apologise for by brusqueness but, as you say, 'This is The Internet!' As for your original comment, I've seen it many times too. Still and all, they reckon everyone has their '15 minutes of fame' :-)
Pilot did an amazing job, but in the end lost his job, his home and because of the incident was never able to work as a pilot again after the BA failed to clear him of wrongdoing for years...
Seriously?! This pilot LOST HIS JOB for this?! This is unbelievable! Seriously? Is there documentation of this on the net? That is crazy! The pilot landed this giant thing without fuel! What do the powers-to-be think the pilot did wrong?! Which part am I missing?!
***** After this, with no official report from Ba, rumours started spreading around about him, he said when he went back to work, the crew on the plane asked him what had happened, noting that they had been informed he had got nervous and not reacted properly, There was a link floating around this page from a newspaper with it on, I'll just have a look for you.
***** www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/heathrows-hero-pilot-peter-burkill-209485
Phantomdirt
Wow, what a shame BA treated him like that, had he not adjusted the flaps the plane would have stalled and just pancaked into the ground killing probably everyone on board..
The pilot was rehired by BA a couple years after taking voluntary redundancy.
Thanks I needed this last night ❤️
Wow these pilots deserve some respect, it must be so stressful knowing that you have the passengers life in their hands
"Things start to go awry..."
Looks like the engines are still on the plane, so its not landing without engines?
+dale nulik Thats sarcaism i hope.?
+dale nulik Agreed. It was landing without landing gear.
+Mp57navy The air accident team are now looking at you crash theory. They no longer think it was a accident caused by engine missing but the lack of wheels which is now part of a investigation .They will up date there investigation after closing time in the local pub
+John O Brien That's why they get paid the big bucks, looking past the obvious and catching all the minor details. ;-)
+whorayful I was think what currency is big bucks .I hear a lot about it but never seen it in banks or in the stock markets etc.When there finished look at the plane and get some big bucks they could post me {sum}some .
Thank you for the tutorial. I'll try that next time.
"How to Land a Boeing 777 without Any Engines" Nice to see Smithsonian starting to do tutorial videos, they should make this into a series on their channel
This is why I hate flying... My biggest fear is the engines just taking a break and saying fuck it... Flying to Hawaii this friday, FML... Or, well, not FML cuz of Hawaii lol but the flying is going to take it down a notch.
You will be ok. I love flying! But if you don't like height's, don't sit by the window and make sure to watch a movie on a tablet if you have one You will be ok :).
flying is one of the safest means of transportation by the way...
dude...did you know that the odds of you actually having a heart attack in that flight are higher than that of the plane crashing? Don't worry :)
Carlos M Rojas Indeed, you're more likely to have an accident on your way to work, or crossing the road, or even getting a soda from a vending machine, or riding a donkey, then you are to have an incident with a plane.
LulzRoyce Hey! Have a look at this: www.flightradar24.com/33.63,-22.44/2
Zoom out all the way and wait a few seconds, now think back how many accidents there were. An infinitesimal amount of the number of airborne planes ;-)
My question is how the hell did ice crystals supposedly form at the end of a 12 hour flight? In other words why didn't it happen over the Pacific or Atlantic Ocean much earlier?
They did, however the autothrottle wasn't requesting much thrust during the descent and initial approach, so not much fuel was passing through the exchanger, so the engines were not fuel starved as enough fuel could get around the blockage to supply them. As the flaps were lowered and drag was added, the autothrottle demands more thrust to maintain speed, so more fuel passes through the exchanger. The increased fuel demands could not be met due to the blockage, so the engines became fuel starved and failed. Hope that makes sense, kind of hard to explain
Your explanation was abundantly clear. Thank you.
The ice crystals formed when the fuel warmed up to a temperature of about -20C. The ice crystals couldn't form properly below that temperature while the plane was at high altitude. But when the plane got closer to Heathrow and the fuel warmed up, it reached the point where slushy ice would form and clog up the fuel system.
In the fuel system, there's a component that's suppose to warm up the fuel and melt the ice with the help of the engine's heat. This heat exchanger looks like a cylinder stuffed with drinking straws, and I believe hot oil from the engine runs around those small pipes. However, the ends of the small pipes were sticking out of the device and had very little heat. The ice landed on the cold ends of the small pipes and clogged them up.
Fixing the problem was reasonably simple: cut the small pipes flush with the heat exchanger so that there weren't any more cold bits and the ice could melt properly.
Here is the FAA description of exactly what happened. There is a video simulation link in one of the pages. The command for more thrust broke loose "sticky ice" that had formed on the walls of the fuel system creating a snow shower effect that clogged the fuel-oil heat exchanger at the inlet and starved the engines.
lessonslearned.faa.gov/ll_main.cfm?TabID=1&LLID=79&LLTypeID=12
pilot and crew are definitely Heros,Thank You-
The plane can still derive support from the air and land as long as it has enough speed to maintain gliding speed. An aircraft is a machine that can fly and gets support from the reaction of the air called relative wind, the wind that blows against the direction of the plane that creates aerodynamic power to lift the aircraft. The aerodynamic designed of the wings of the aircraft has two sides. The upper side creates low pressure and the lower side creates high pressure where the low pressure move and it creates lift. There are 4 factors that affect the flight. thrust that moves the aircraft forward because of the pressure of the wind coming out from the engine of the aircraft. Once it developed speed, the relative wind impact on the wings creates aerodynamic power and lift the aircraft no matter how heavy as long as it gains enough speed
the simulated it in a 737 simulator not a 777 simulator
but the real crash is 777
How to land a Boeing 777? he didn't land he crashed.
A crash landing is still a landing.
David F, if you can use the plane again, it's a great landing 😜
In a situation where everyone onboard the plane comes out alive is a landing. If not and there is a casualty, then it is a crash.
Thanks for the video, will definitely try this today
Proper skills from the pilot. I hope all the passengers gave him a gift.