Rating an Empire Gunpowder Doomstack
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"If we corner camp, it's more difficult to flank us"
Sun Tzu
They can't flank us when there are no flanks 🤔
"Cavalry sucks ass. Don't use them."
Sun Tzu
He did say something along the lines of men who have nowhere to retreat fight to the death
That only works against brits
"Melee units are bad because of the enemy getting buffs from difficulty" - Alexander the Great
For the missile resistance, he gets 40% from the Elector Count of Wissenland position.
Ah, that explains it
Also 10% more from the anti-elves tech, it gives 10% missile resistance to all units and +10 leadership when fighting elves
yep that explains it
So this is my save file, just a few things i wanted to point out, the elector count handgunners actually take 10 turns to recruit (all the Elector Counts units take 10 turns except the steam tank which takes 15) so you can recruit them in 50 turns (40 if you own the entire Empire since you get the "summon the elector counts" ability every 20 turns which instantly replenishes the pool of elector count units).
Karl's missile resistance comes from being elector count of Wissenland (+40% missile resistance) the anti elf tech (+10% resistance) his 15% natural resistance, and the Sigmar's ward ability for the extra 10%, since he's got 30% ward save from other equipments he was actually at the missile resistance cap.
Regarding the army itself, this is not meant as the kind of doomstack that stomps three or four full stacks per battle, it's an army that should be using lightning strike, use up it's ammo, repeat until all the enemies are dead, it *can* beat more (as it did here) but this was an attempt to simulate a bad situation rather than its intended use.
In 1 vs 1 it can beat most AI armies (As long as they don't have something like 12+ single entities, but that's not really the norm) and since the heroes are usually the only ones that take damage, you can just heal them each battle.
The worst enemies to fight with this army in my experience are Skaven (because of menace below more than anything else) Wood Elves, and High Elves/Lizardmen (If they go heavy on single entities) everything else is relatively easy to beat as long as you're using lighting strike.
i've been messing with similar army comp, i'm trying atm to swap all arty for luminarks as with the dwarf hero from the huntsmarshal expedition and a bow general you can get off 1 shot per ~ 3 seconds and they give wardsafe now making them my heroes to block enemies AND arty at the same time. also more mobile.
anyway awesome stack, gunderman surefire's are the bomb.
Nice to see that you actually went against WE with this. I would say definitely better than a 7/10.
Tbf, almost any half-decent army is a doomstack with lightning strike. High rated doomstacks are armies that can get ambushed by 4 stacks of Skaven and still win without losses. I do love the "WW2" Empire armies though. Consider using steam tanks for your frontline. It's a further increase to artillery damage and they're unbreakable, plus I think they benefit from artillery buffs.
@@the_mad_fool Never said this should be rated highly, i'm the first to say that this is worse than steam tanks or disciplined amber wizards in raw power, where it shines is cost effectiveness, this army is really cheap but it can still push through a bunch of enemy armies as long as you're careful.
Also the problem with using steam tanks is that if you want that 15% ward save you need to put three more points in the red line, and even with that they hold worse than warrior priests or captains against AP units because they've got only 14 melee defence at rank 9 (And unlike heroes you can't increase their resistance further with equipment).
Love your army. Faith, Steel and Gunpowder
You can tell it's gonna be interesting when 1/3rd of the video is him setting up his troops.
Legend is a tactician through and through lol
Gunpowder ✓
Golden Order ✓
Wood Elf VC ✓
Forest ✕
We were on the verge of greatness
We were **THIS** close
You're lucky Balthasar didn't show up
It wasnt Estalia tho
@@voodooozo3755 *Vietstalia
This is a war on elf terrorism
Imagine having engineers for the empire. What a dream buffing up your rocket batteries doomstack with 5 enigneers.
and getting additional ammo supplies in for the lot to for replenishing ammo.
There's a mod for that
There is indeed a mod for that
Honestly, they SHOULD have engineers. Although, that dwarves didn't have engineers with a reload ability was just a crime. The recent dwarf rework put dwarves back on top in the artillery game, and I liked that - but this is a failure of imagination. Back when WH1 released, they hadn't thought of reloading ammo - that came with the VCoast. They could do the empire so much better if they did it, from scratch, today - the CA guys has gotten real good at this now. WH1 was almost-historical. Now they play around a lot more, are more imaginative. (Perhaps a bit too much, really, I think they could tone it down a bit.).
@@CallioNyx Completely agree.
They cant accuse you of stealing skaven tactics if skaven dont exist.
Skaven? I’d careful saying stuff like that. Some might interpret it as heresy
0/10 no Balthasar Gelt and no "welcome to Estalia Gentlemen" yes i know you might think this is not Estalia, but Balthasar Gelt makes EVERYTHING Estalia
fails
"What do you mean this isn't Napoleon: Total War?"
-me, using only handgunners and cannons
If i remember correctly, cannons do not have grapeshot in this game ?
I wish they buff empire artillery by adding grape ammo round,imagine we obliterate horde of chaos with grapeshot😋
You mean Fall of the Samurai
@@TerribleHamster cannons are unfortunately pretty lame compared to other artillery in this game, which sucks, since cannons in Fall of the Samurai were OP as hell.
@@GeraltofRivia22 There were grapeshot ammo in Empire and Napoleon TW too. But yes, FoTS artillery, especially Armstrong Guns are OP as hell. A couple of infantry units in the front while the rest of the army is comprised of pure Armstrongs is impossible for the AI to defeat.
Faith, Steel and GUNPOWDER!
“I love the smell of gunpowder in the morning.”
A men of culture from what I see.
afternoon, evening...
"their units will fight, TO. THE. FUCKING. DEATH." best quote, can feel all the times he's done a saving a disaster battle with melee units come out there.
I think the extra 10% missle resistance is from the Empires research tree when fighting against wood elves.
It's not actually specific to wood elves, it applies to high elves and dark elves as well
On top of forest battles pretty much being buffs galore for Wood elves, the desert map was a perfect place for this doomstack.
This actually counts as forest battle, they had 5% physical resistance army wide from the branchwraith, but yeah, no trees for the forest stalker buff, i'd have attacked the settlement but then the reinforcements would have attacked from behind and absolutely stomped me
@@JustSome462 the fuq, it's a whole desert and yet they still got a forest battle buff lol. logic.
@@GrandMasterNutBusterYoda There was a cactus in the background, so it counts. >:|
(^ sarcasm)
@@Tenhys Get pricked in the ass for bonuses? Doesn't sound too bad.
Well, those forests didn't help them from Grave Guards in the lore. Kinda pity and sad to the wood elves.
Faith, steel and Gunpowder. Literally.
Can't really say steel since no halbediers or reiksguard.
@@GeraltofRivia22 what about musket barrels and armor on Musketeers? Karl Franz's armor and his Warhammer? They are made, from what, Plastic?
@@deathkorpstrooper8228 no, but that's not really what the statement means. And considering how little armor rating they have until you get more technology, they basically are made of plastic on handgunners lol.
Too little steel, but faith and gunpowder will suffice.
Balthasar gelt would be proud!
Welcome to Araby Gentlemen
Now somebody make Dawi Gunpowder stack
Then make the two doom stacks fight each other, and play the game like it was Napoleon total war.
@@wetwillyis_1881 that's how I always play the empire (and bretonia= Medieval TW3)
@@SordoBjorn perfection
Steel - yes
Faith - yes
Gunpowder - hell yes
THIS DOOMSTACK HAS MY CONSENT
This was basically every battle I fought in Napoleon Total War. You even used my tried and trusted formation... Shame those gunners can't form square.
All we are missing is an army of elite cavalry dying to 4 units of peasant conscripts in a house
Finally a Doom Stack, Sigmar would be proud of
Wow, that's got to be about the most competent use of magic I've seen from the AI outside of their warp lightning spam.
Yeah for some damn reason AI always waste magic but will destroy half your army with warp lightning without any issue.
Question. Why does warp lighting hit like a trunk against me but it's useless for me?
@@Wormworttea Overcast it or use it on on large groups and it will hit like a truck for you too :) It is really just about positioning and patience.
@@Wormworttea you gotta make sure you hit with the bolts. They don't hit exactly where the indicator is. They can hit maybe 3 models with full force and the damage drops off huge away from the lightning strike. Btw you can't really aim exactly where the bolts hit because it's somewhat random. Mostly just make sure the indicator is exactly dead center of the unit you want to hit when the lightning comes down. High entity count units can get absolutely de fucking stroyed. Don't use warplightning vs low entity units you'll do like 100 damage.
@@snakeballs8965 it's super random vs single entities. I managed to salvage a disaster battle as skaven vs vampire coast by spamming warp lightning on their Necrofex Collosus. Some shots would land all around and barely tickle it, but some shots would hit directly and actually do a ton of damage
I honestly saw this in my recommended and I read the Title as "Dating an Empire Gunpowder Doomstack" and I paused for a moment thinking about that...Then I saw it was legend and reread the title and then things made a lot more sense.
Man if you were fighting in the forest you would HAVE to play Fortunate Son
Wow the AI actually used magic in this battle.
This is basically the army I recruit with the Empire but with 2 steam tanks for 1 less of each artillery, and I've never bothered getting all the state troop handgunners.
Goddamn, I don't think I've ever seen the AI use spells that decently
the scary part with this doomstack, is that the AI could potentially get it, sometimes i noticed the AI gets like 4 helstorms, 4 helblasters. and they like handgunners and heroes, they MIGHT build this, im scurred
Giorgio Basta said to put musketeers on the sides of artillery. Legend applies this
INTERDASTING
Who was this giogio guy anyway?
He was a soldier and a General in the Flanders
Something really fun about watching some of the WE units make a beeline for the gunline and then just disappear as the handgunners focus on them.
And if you liked this Legend, I'm working on a VampCoast stack that you might enjoy.
Terrain: JUNGLE
Game: well, look there is a lot of sand
"I hate sand"
The fact that the elector handgunners have stalk made this work a lot better than I thought it would. From what I have seen, the AI appears to be practically hard-coded to flank with cavalry, in all situations. Even when corner camping, they will just pool up on the edges of the map trying to get around you. But here, because they can't see the handgunners until they're close, they go for the flanks of the arty right into the handgunners line of fire and get annihilated. That's why this battle went so well, despite the amount cav. I wonder how well this could handle late-game AI Bretonnia stacks on a favorable map.
Isn't there an elector count seat that gives a bunch of missile resistance? He probably put Franz there after gaining the option to re-position him.
wissenland is how the elector on there get's a 40% missle resistance
Is it possible as Golden Order to reposition Gelt to Wissenland?
@@levyburns4163 No, your faction leader is stuck as Elector Count of your starting province, so if you play Golden Order Gelt is always Elector Count of Solland, if you play Reikland Volkmar/Karl are always Elector Counts of Reikland.
Which kind of sucks because neither Reikland nor Solland have particularly good Lord/army buffs.
@@levyburns4163 Yes but I believe you need to control all elector count seats before that can be done.
I think swapping a couple of the helblasters for Steam Tanks would be a good option in this army. They make good flank holders that can contribute to the artillery game and then countercharge anyone who goes wide, and the life mage heals them well.
Subtitles strikes again.
Legend of turtle war here
Love building empire like this, imitating your skaven weapons team stack, the handgunners can go pretty wide with stalk and the enemy will walk right into the volley fire unawares!
I was playing a campaign of Markus recently and this is more or less the army I ended up with, just with some difference in heros mostly. I didn't even have all the fancy handgunners and it was still performing like a beast
"It's good that they used two tempests on units that can hea--- OH UH SHIT GEEET BACK"
1:15 wow that "kaputt" kinda suprised me
very entertaining video, you are a beast and fun to watch
Glorious... the march of modern arms rolling over treehuggers with bows
This could actually be a WW1 Germany build, and u also uploaded this at my birthday, this MUST be a sign! =D
Gelt as Commander, then free company militia, muskets, a life wizard (as medic) and in the back artillery and on the flanks outriders! =D
(also witch hunters (as snipers)) and one captain and one battle priest for campaign buffs and ofc a Steamtank! =D
(most of the units RoR or State Troops ofc)
So what you're saying is that this is...
Empire Total War?
I always put a few Demigryph Knights w/ Halberds in my gunpowder doomstacks to deal with cavalry
Extra missile resistance is because he's an Elector count. Some of them give extra bonuses like this
I get The Last Samurai ending scene vibes with all those volley guns
Gosh this is like fall of the samurai, just people walking into muzzles!
I find that using 4 tanks in place of heroes works since they can hold. Heroes like captain and priest also always die in auto resolve. Tanks and heroes are about the same in upkeep anyways.
I personally go for 3 tanks and 3 preists, so that the preists can chain hammer of sigmar and shield of faith for the tanks.
i think rating more doomstacks with "themes" is a cool and meme idea
The missile resistance prolly comes from being the elector count of wissenland
This was like ordering a skaven weapons team doomstack off wish, but cool to see it’s viable
I stumbled across the perfect siege army, the other day. Eltharion, 1 Loremaster, 4 bolt throwers, 10 spire guard, and 4 other mistwalker units. Eltharion at 15 gets a constant ability to regen ammo on all ranged units, about 1 ammo every 30 seconds. Him and the Loremaster distract tower shots while the bolt throwers take them out. Range 210 archers snipe anyone on the walls. If the enemy retreats to the plaza, just smash all the walls down to get direct shots at the plaza from ranged troops.
Damn boy, I can't stop watching this random warhammer videos hahahahhaa
Shoot! I've been watching for months and just noticed that I wasn't subscribed! Fixed that.
Late game Golden Order I run exclusively gunpowder armies. 2-4 steam tanks, 3-4 hellstorm rockets, 2-3 hellblasters, captain, warrior priest, and fire or light wizard. Then I fill the rest of the army with handgunners or a couple huntsmen if I'm fighting a faction with a lot of large units like the Lizardmen or certain Dark Elf stacks. It's most fun to use this stack against Chaos, I like to let them through to Praag and then see how many stacks Gelt can destroy on his own before I have to cycle in Volkmarr and Franz. Last campaign Gelt won four straight battles and destroyed about 12 armies in one turn.
Someone give this man the war wagon doomstack: war wagons, mortars, and the war wagon volley gub
Mass wagon mortars can actually be sort of a hard counter for some armies.
The mortars can kite and get off snap shots, and if the faction doesn't have anything faster than a war wagon, they just kinda die.
Lizardmen and Greenskins seem to suffer from this the most.
The AI needs to be able to move past single entity especially infantry/non monstrous. The hero front line is so whack. Anyway good video.
Faith, Steel, GUNPOWDER !
Faith, steel and GUNPOWDER!
"It won't matter because our units rout at like 50% damage whereas their units will fight to the FUCKING death." Quite a bit of built up frustration there XD
YES! An empire doomstack! Faith, guns, and steel!
Faith.
Steel.
Gunpowder.
*FOR SIGMAR !*
Might not be a doomstack but it sure is a funstack!
with this much steel you couldn't tell a difference between the trees and dwarven machines
I’ve done this before but instead of warrior priests and a captain it’s more cannons, mortars, steam tanks, and volley guns
This is the best kind of army you can bring as the Empire imo, the only weakness would be armies with a lot of strong flying units.
total war games need an aggro mechanic like the one used in mmorpg
"oh is this unit doing massive damage? then this unit is now priority 1"
How about changing the warrior priest with Steam Tank? And RoR Luminark instead of one of the Hellblaster?
one change i would make is put in those special crossbow men that have that ability to suppress
Aw yeah now we're talking, Empire guns
This is my go to KILL stack for empire.
for my next magic trick i am going to make that entire army disappear
Karl Franz 903 upkeep
Empire needs some campaign finance reform apparently.
You better call it "Faith, steel, gunpowder" doomstack
I honestly go far to heavy with handgunners in campaign to be min maxing but it's fun as hell.
Bout time someone gives him an Empire gunpowder Doomstack.
I just use normal handgunners in my Stacks, for some armies I switched the heroes with steam tanks to hold back enemy cav :D heroes are probably the best, but in my experience the enemy troops bypass them more often.
Fire! Fire! Don't let em through!
Kamen here, no problem.
just at the beginning of the video - doesn't huntsman general have bonuses for gunners and/or artillery? I do not remember correctly as I only use them as crapstack leaders, but I was wondering if high level hunstman general wouldn't be a better choice than karl franz?
May be yeah, buy hunsrmarshall wouldn't be that tanky as karl. And of cos, this is for PATHOS!))
@@easytanksgaming3238 well, i'll admit that Karl with proper items and regeneration is a beast :)
A very little - they have no unit specific buffs for gunpowder troops/artillery, but they have a few skills that buff all ranged units near them.
@@theteamustflow8124 fair enough :) I know that Gelt boosts gunners a little but empire lacking a hero that boosts artillery/shooters while all the other artillery factions have those, is a massive error on CA's side
@@theteamustflow8124 more than a very little, with the dwarf hero and bow general and the right techs you can get luminarks to shoot 1 shot per ~ 3 seconds rather then 1 shot per ~ 20 seconds.
nothing has felt as good to me in this game than an SFO poison wind mortar doomstack
The ai used the magic pretty well in the begining.
It is a dwarf army without engineer but warrior priest and mage to hold line
Empire total war up in here, if only you had canister shot
I never tested it myself but after i saw this army combination i came up with a new plan
How about going with 4 light wizard and one life wizard and no captain and warrior priest at all?
The light wizards can repeatedly casting net of amentak while the artillery reaping them apart
gunpowder doomstack needs the huntsmarshal dwarf hero and an empire longbow general so you can take luminarks with about 3 sec reload time for a short moment.
also the gunderman sure fires are my favourite unite in this game, if you focus on it you can confederate hochland around turn 10 and they take 10 turns to recruit. was gonna send in a better army but couldn't get a good battle. i had around 12 of them at turn 130, with some hellrockets and bordermen. beat stacks with 6 black dragons reasonably easily. all i found is that the arty should be luminarks as you can make them shoot 1 shot per 3 secs and are more mobile.
You can only have one engineer in entire empire, but you can make several doomstacks like this.
No Sunmaker? That thing is a BEAST I always have it in my main stack
Hale storm batteries are just Warhammer Katyushkas
Nah more likely Warhammer Nebelwerfer bc the Empire is basically zhe German Holy roman empire haha
1. Katyusha, not Katyushka.
2. The closest to Katyusha would be that special war wagon with hellblast on it, because they were very mobile.
19 hellfire blaster volleyguns bananas stack next
Never seen Legend prize cav before
*Thinks about how long it took me to get missile launchers and steam tanks as Reikland, when Taurox can recruit a stack of monsters in a single turn*
what is the best 'gunpowder' doomstack looking at differing factions, because the dwarfs, vampire coast and skaven can make similar type of stacks, but which one works best?
Skaven works best, due to them able to use menace below and vermintide to block enemy and not letting them get to your artillery.
And vcoast doesn't need an army like that. They can use necrofex colossus spam.
Empire gunpowder only run when?
I really don't understand the obssesion the total war comunity has with legendary difficulty it seems to punishing to be fun like making melee infantry obsolete and stuff like that
yeah, its just a flex really
Lol im struggling at easy... no way in hell im ever stress myself that much
i get that people on youtube choose legendary but i personally play on very hard campaign and normal battle difficulty caus i hate to see my elite infantry struggle vs skavenslaves
Well i don't know, most people hate legendary difficulty
[Cue: Paranoid playing quietly in the background]
Tech tree prolly gave that 10% missile resist
I really love to play se balthasar gelt, his magics are so powerful, in turn 40 i had big fight with powerful army, and every second i use his special abilites, like the rockets, etc and had 521 kills. Lol
Like 6-7 units wiped out using balthasar gelt lol
And here I am, pausing the battle every 3 seconds in hard difficulty, I feel bad.
Thank u bro.
Could u use steam tanks instead of warrior priests? They can add to the fire power and they're probably just about as tanky.
Black powder blessed
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Karl prob cap on resistance since he has 30% ward save to go along with 75% missile resistance too.