This was soo painful to watch!! Definitely looked tail heavy. I honestly was hoping he'd go in for the long approach. I hope it was repairable. Gorgeous with a solid build quality.
The guy even gives the advice that "you gotta fly it in" which to experienced pilots means, keep the revs and speed up and use rolling friction to slow it down once on the ground
I think I know what happened. The plane was coming in too slow on approach and the plane began to stall. Then the pilot added throttle too quickly and the sudden torque of the engine caused the plane to yaw and crash.
@@zz-nc5kx practice and judgement. any wise pilot will experiment with their plane at height to learn the stall characteristics - speed, pitch, does it drop a wing etc.
Only problem with this theory is the fact a torque roll will make the plane roll left not right. This is a classic case of slowing too much on approach and than the dreaded tip stall.
Flying slow and dirty on the edge of stall of the entire time, that and not extending his down wind leg long enough to set up for a controlled approach.
A friend of mine flew Corsairs during The War. Saw lots of combat action (and of course he never crashed.) He was aviation royalty. Died a while back after a very long and amazing life. Now he's flying one in heaven.
Oh shit, I know to well how this feels. Spent a whole winter building an advanced 4 channel glider just to see the wing broke up during the rubberwire lift off. It was put on the loft and stayed there till we emty the house for sale years ago. Never looked back. Hope this guy fixed his amazing plane.
He clearly had no flaps yet full left aileron input just after the plane started it's wing-tip stall to the right ... therefore, no radio problem. On landing, you've got to fly these planes with some power on until the ground cushion effect has a chance to come into play ... usually two to three feet off the ground. Then cut all power and let it settle in. If deadstick, you've GOT to keep the nose down to maintain airspeed. Nose up = stall. Nose down= stretched glide path. Most likely the engine was set too lean when it was on the ground which caused it to lean out and loose power at speed. The engine should be running a bit rich on the tarmac. And of course, at 2:30, he also raised the nose to try to stretch his glide. That's what led to the tip stall. Always fatal. A planes altitude is controlled with power ... speed is controlled by the elevator. Basics of landing. Counter intuitive, but an aerodynamic fact. Still a shame to lose such a nice bird.
Nice tips bro, lot of sense.... But sometime we panic when we dont have the altitude to allow for that nose drop lool.... When my bird ran out of power at low altitude and into a cliff i pulled up... Making matters even worse...
there is NO shame in making a mistake.... however , I bet next time he brings it in with 20% throttle and lets the wheels slow her down.... man that hurts
I have been up in gliders, hot air balloons, B-17 " Sentimental Journey", cessnas, you name it.....but I gotta say...I admire all of you guys for what you do with these little birds......it amazes me the knowledge you all have on the very basics of flight..........you may play with small craft....but you all are professionals. Keep doing what you do......
This is a lot but it's something typed up for a fellow pilot: In my pre-teen years I built small, balsa wood model planes...0.49 engines, flat wing. My uncle was flying the F-4 Phantom in Nam at the time but he also flew the P-51 in air-to-air combat and bombing missions starting in the late 40's. The P-51 was and still is my favorite. It was my first "Built-up" wing model I ever built. Boy....what a difference an actual "foiled wing" made!....Taught me a lot about what flies and what struggles to fly. By the time I was 14-15 I was building 60" wing RC, powered planes. (much later gliders) My uncle retired in 1976. He knew I loved airplanes and later I took up golf....both of which were his 2 favorite activities. In 1980 (I was 21) he arranged for me to go up in Art Scholl's Pitt's Special, not with Art but with the only other guy (Ken, I think) allowed to fly his planes. It was my first time ever air-born. I was so excited I never even thought to be nervous or afraid...I knew this planes capabilities. Ken (after demonstrating them once) let my do rolls and loops (easy) but also Cuban 8's, Hammer head's...etc. Outside maneuvers were much more strenuous than I thought. A few years later my uncle took me flying in his Decathlon (he purchased to fly until he finished building his RV-4) and golfing once a week. After some pretty big earthquakes here they moved to Las Vegas.....he died at 85 in 2012. I miss him a LOT but those memories...... In 2015 I decided to get my pilots license....I took "flying" lessons first instead of ground school (for obvious reasons) and got to where I could solo....I had 4 kids and it was taking up a lot of my free time and $$$ so I put it on the shelf....for now. More about my uncle if you're interested: supersabresociety.com/biography/ewald-g-kruggel/
I knew this was going to be a rookie mistake when I saw him taxiing without any elevator to hold the tail down.... The CG was probably wrong and looked like he was trying to land with the wind, as it started to stall he gave it throttle which torque rolled to the stalled wing side and down she went... Too bad such a nice plane had to get trashed by inexperience, been there done that myself... just not on anything more than $400.
Ummm.....don't take off or land WITH THE WIND !! This guy did both. We all make mistakes. Just wish it hadn't been with such a beautiful plane. Brave of you to post your mistake for the rest of us to learn by. Myself, I would have destroyed this evidence. Lol
Next time he must make sure to fly at proper speed since those models don't like slow flying... Also such power and heavy motor stuff at full acceleration will make too much torque for the airplane to handle...
This reminds me of so many Ferrari/Lambo videos I've seen here on youtube.. Dudes have more money than skill.. And since money tends to tremendously inflate the ego.. They think they can handle big powerful things, no problem.. But alas, we get this.. Crashed Ferrari's and crashed planes : (.
Truly a heartbreaking loss. I often wonder if the scale model builder realizes that with scale downsizing comes a real loss of lift. He should know that there is a factor known as the Reynolds number in the lift formula. For this reason the wing loading is higher than expected with a model.flying at scale speeds.
Pretty cool. Entered a snap roll on landing just like the real "ensign eliminator". This is one of the reasons the USN refused the Corsair as a carrier bird at first.
Way to pour on the salt to bloodsoaked wound people. What happened to the adage 'it's not a question of if you ever are going to crash, it's a question of when you crash' Happens to the best pilots. So quit hiding behind your arrogance because you've all done it too.
Been flying r/c since 1979 to yesterday 2023 and have NEVER had a crash...yet, and in the 47 members in my club nonenhave crashed yet either and the latest member has been in for the past 10 years.
Plain and simple. It stalled. Even the full scale Corsairs drop a wing when stalled. He should have kept the nose down. Instead, he leveled it out, lost air speed, and stalled. End of story. The other comments are plain unknowning BS.
pensandcalls Have to totally agree with this. Everybody looks for balancing issues or electronic issues etc. The plane stalled plain and simple. Pilot was bordering on stall the whole flight. Listen to the engine. Throttle was back a lot, flying slow, stalled and crashed. Sorry, man. Beautiful plane.
yost28 Yup, as our club president would say who has over 40 years experience in RC planes, "with scale warbirds or any other high wing load plane, ya gotta fly it to the runway. No exceptions. They are not floaters."
sure it stalled that's evident, however its hard to tell looking at just a video ALL the factors in a crash.from what I could see, based on way it lifted off and position of elevator that looked very tail heaving. pilot also looks to be flying it like a much lighter wing loaded foamy compounding the problem. Without more FACTS no comments on a video viewing are going to be fully accurate, but my best guess is multiple issues in that crash.
the F4U is notorious for stalls and resulting snaps. read up on its history, the ensign killer. did you know the US Navy gave up on this plane. choosing instead the Bearcat? at this size, the "model" would have similar flying attributes to the real plane. a pity for the pilot to lose such a beautiful plane, and have damaged the engine. this is why a very good simulator is needed. this video shows lack of pilot skill and training.
Not so, the Navy never gave up on the Corsair, it was in use with the Marines but it was not approved for carrier use, only land based, as the visibility on final approach was too poor. Until, that is the British, who were using the Corsair as a carrier plane, shared their discovery of the curved final approach to obviate the visibility issue. The pilot only lost sight of the deck at the last second or so. After this it was in use by the US Navy on carriers for the rest of ww2 and into Korea.
Just saw this vid...and my heart was poundind f... fast from the moment i read the title / description. Then the crash came and it hurt me as if it was mine. Truly sorry for your loss. 😭 I've lost a few also. Hurts more in your heart and pride than your wallet.
So what was the background of the pilot at this RC club? What kind of planes had he flown before this, and had he asked for any kind of advice or help before trying to get this up in the air? And is he still flying at this club now after this unfortunate crash?
[quote]He created the stall because he sux![end quote] [quote]i[sic] (I) figure it's an inexperienced pilot and ready myself 4 an exciting flite,,, sorry, but this was hilarious:)[end quote] [quote]What an idiot.[end quote] You know, It's really intimidating to know that sooo many people here are born fliers with full blown piloting skills from the cradle and who obviously never, but NEVER had a single mishap in their entire lives so that they feel a need and right to mock anybody else who should even dream of entering their sainted realm of sky with anything other than a folded paper airplane. What utter fools they be! (Now. Figure out which group I'm referring to!) I had been thinking about taking up RC flying but, it's clear that I would be really wasting my time to even consider aspiring to tread among such flawless, matchless pilots to whom pilot error is utterly unthinkable. How ridiculous of me to even imagine I might one day join the ranks of such as these. Abandon hope all ye who would enter here and I guess I should just go bowling or fishing instead...
Lol best comment yet! I been flying 26 years and I still crash them sometimes... It's part of the hobby and the fun... I do think he rushed his "big" project a Lil though... You can tell the cg was off to the rear... Just saying if you gonna spend about 8 grand on a plane you should definitely check, check, and check again! Props to him for flying out like it was stolen though lol!
+xbpbat21x somebody's jealous. Lol He can buy whatever he wants. What you think, couldn't be more irrelevant. Real lovers of this hobby offer guidance. They don't shit on other pilots. This is why you likely fly alone....if at all.
lmdetect I was offering guidance....your first plane should not be an $8,000 dollar warbird. If your flying is anything like your posting...stick to trainers.
I had the same problem with a large scale Corsair. When he first took off engine was fine. Once he turned downwind the engine was shutting down. The plane slowed down and he made an attempt for the runway. The engine came back to life and his gear wasn't all the way down so he decided to go around. Once the plane got back up to speed the engine died again. Corsair cowlings have a tendency to build pressure inside the cowl. Too much air coming in and not enough getting out. The metering valve on the carb senses this as lower altitude and dumps a bunch of fuel in the carb flooding the engine. When the plane slowed down the pressure dropped and the engine was able to recover.
Yikes! That plane is awesome looking and sounding. The guy at the end of the video took the words right out of my mouth... "Oh no, oh sh**, bloody hell!"
What Composite ARF 1/4 scale RC Corsair is that? Where did you get it? Does it come with workable flaps? Is it truely a 1/4 scale? What is the wing span and the fuseloge length?
The full sized Corsair had this problem when it first started aircraft carrier landings. A small stall strip was added to the leading edge of the starboard wing, outboard of the guns. This model was stalling above the tree line so no ground effect way up there. The flaps are huge and the wheel strut covers are quite large too, all of which needs power to overcome. If you look at a lot of large r/c model crash videos you'll see that full flaps on landing are many times fatal. I've had problems with the elevator being blanked out by all this stuff hanging down, making pitch control almost impossible. Models would probably last longer by using 40 degrees of flap on landings. Leave full flaps for static judging on the ground. Remember, a 35 lb. model is way easier to slow down than a 8,000 lb. full sized fighter aircraft.
hard to tell looking at just a video , but based on way it lifted off and position of elevator that looked very tail heaving. pilot also looks to be flying it like a much lighter wing loaded foamy compounding the problem. thanks for sharing.
I had the same thing happen with a small er scale version. That plane has a crazy inner wing stall characteristic because of the gull-wing. You really need to keep up the approach speed or you snap roll approach stall....Really expensive slow approach!!
Stalled. Lots of power. But he tried to float that approach like it was a high wing trainer. He wasn’t ready for the fast sink rate with power off. Then tip stalled so fast there was no recovering from that.
Really? What was going on with them? any details.... I have the Hanger 9 Beast which I am getting ready to start and have been looking at the 120 AD. These big boys are usually very reliable. Mental note taken
Im an upset pilot maneuvering trainer for years now. A trick to avoid stalling when slow is like this: 1-Put the hands in a PUSH POSITION (Both hands the stick and throttle hand too). Never put them in PULL POSITION. If you put them in Pull Position you will pull when nervous (without noticing it most times). Practice that first. Also do LEAN forward a bit when pushing down or adding power, Never step back or lean back. What your body does, your hands will follow. Just my 2c. That teaching method can be used on the real airplanes too.
yes most likely he lost to much air speed however, IMO i think it was a combintation of airspeed and the radio wasn't keeping up. the "stall" looked a little sharp for just slow speed. but like james said we weren't there.
She almost stalled/crashes the fist time at 2:01. on final, dont let wind get under your left wingtip (with this crosswind) keep it down, and keep the nose down. now the right wing stalled and it crashed. in windy condition give it some overspeed on final. So sad. Verry beautifull plane. Before flying do pre flight check, when on downwind do your pre landing checks. like gear down etc.
Do these warbirds get wonky and sloppy on the controls when they approach stall? Or, does the plane stay responsive and suddenly depart, easily catching you off guard.
These plane get really sloppy and slow to respond just prior to the stall... You never want to bring it below stall speed unless you have at least three mistakes of altitude or your wheels are safely on the ground... Even stalls at inches above the ground like some pilots do tends to break gear... Take your time in the landing pattern... Keep it level and control your descent with power not elevator...
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It looked great at the take-off. Didn't seem to pitch up as if it was tail heavy. Then the tail wanted to drop at 1:53 and onward, especially with the gear up - and back. With the gear back down it got a bit better until he descended with the power back and the nose was fairly level. A little bit of power in the last 5-6 seconds may have saved it. But maybe not - who knows?
RC airplanes are like having a car chasing dog. You don’t want to get too attached to them. You can’t wallow along that slow with a big warbird. And I agree, it needed another look at where the CG was at.
@eastcoast78 I think it may have been tail heavy. The way it leaped off the ground on take off, and when he cut the engine down, the tail would drop and start falling like a leaf. Looks like he wanted it back on the ground ASAP. He should have flown it in with some power, but we all can sit here and criticize. Anyone know if it was the maiden flight ?
You'll be happy to know that he has just about finished another corsair. Problem was the motor and another corsair owner here with the same Moki motor had the same issues and had to belly land too. So stay tuned for the next corsair flight.!!
No forward motion --> no airflow over the wing No airflow over wing --> No lift No lift --> No fly No fly --> plane goes into the ground.... a moment of silence for what looked like a beautiful model. The engine sounded really good hopefully it was not damaged
It's always easy to comment after the event. Despite the tail heaviness, the start of the approach looked promising. You dropped the nose to keep the air speed up but then you levelled too high, not enough power, lost the air speed and tip stalled. Gee, your elevator must've been so sensitive. That's the highest tip stall I've seen so far. It usually happens lot lower. Sorry about your loss mate.
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This was soo painful to watch!! Definitely looked tail heavy. I honestly was hoping he'd go in for the long approach. I hope it was repairable. Gorgeous with a solid build quality.
The guy even gives the advice that "you gotta fly it in" which to experienced pilots means, keep the revs and speed up and use rolling friction to slow it down once on the ground
Beautiful Corsair! I know the amount of time and money that is involved building a plane of that size. My heart goes out to the pilot...
I got into the hobby awhile back and it really gets addictive, lol.
I think I know what happened. The plane was coming in too slow on approach and the plane began to stall. Then the pilot added throttle too quickly and the sudden torque of the engine caused the plane to yaw and crash.
I think you are right. I’ve always wondered how r/c pilots manage not to stall on landing approach.
it has nothing to do with throttle. simple wing stall.
@@zz-nc5kx practice and judgement. any wise pilot will experiment with their plane at height to learn the stall characteristics - speed, pitch, does it drop a wing etc.
@@ScottPankhurstAccounting for the speed of sound, you can hear him add power and torque roll it in.
Only problem with this theory is the fact a torque roll will make the plane roll left not right. This is a classic case of slowing too much on approach and than the dreaded tip stall.
Flying slow and dirty on the edge of stall of the entire time, that and not extending his down wind leg long enough to set up for a controlled approach.
It has been said before,nose heavy planes fly poorly,tail heavy planes fly once.
Well repeated, so true and they don't stretch very far on approach especially with large props.
A friend of mine flew Corsairs during The War. Saw lots of combat action (and of course he never crashed.) He was aviation royalty. Died a while back after a very long and amazing life. Now he's flying one in heaven.
God bless your friend, Sir
@@sqd37l Same god that refuses to ban childhood cancer
@@SunofYork you are correct
Oh shit, I know to well how this feels. Spent a whole winter building an advanced 4 channel glider just to see the wing broke up during the rubberwire lift off. It was put on the loft and stayed there till we emty the house for sale years ago. Never looked back. Hope this guy fixed his amazing plane.
looked a bit tail heavy but the real problem was getting way to slow on landing. Was a classic stall due to getting to slow.
He clearly had no flaps yet full left aileron input just after the plane started it's wing-tip stall to the right ... therefore, no radio problem. On landing, you've got to fly these planes with some power on until the ground cushion effect has a chance to come into play ... usually two to three feet off the ground. Then cut all power and let it settle in. If deadstick, you've GOT to keep the nose down to maintain airspeed. Nose up = stall. Nose down= stretched glide path. Most likely the engine was set too lean when it was on the ground which caused it to lean out and loose power at speed. The engine should be running a bit rich on the tarmac. And of course, at 2:30, he also raised the nose to try to stretch his glide. That's what led to the tip stall. Always fatal. A planes altitude is controlled with power ... speed is controlled by the elevator. Basics of landing. Counter intuitive, but an aerodynamic fact. Still a shame to lose such a nice bird.
Nice tips bro, lot of sense.... But sometime we panic when we dont have the altitude to allow for that nose drop lool.... When my bird ran out of power at low altitude and into a cliff i pulled up... Making matters even worse...
there is NO shame in making a mistake.... however , I bet next time he brings it in with 20% throttle and lets the wheels slow her down.... man that hurts
Lool sure he wont be stalling in the near future,tht bird is to sweet to be in bits
My condolences to the pilot and owner, I wish I was up at the field to see such a beautiful plane
The working landing gear is extremely impressive. Unfortunate loss. That engine sounded like it was running perfect too!
Retractable gear is very common on model aircraft especially models of WWII fighters.
Think kinda looked tail heavy? Condolences to the owner, hope his wife didn't make him sleep with the dog for a month after that!
I have been up in gliders, hot air balloons, B-17 " Sentimental Journey", cessnas, you name it.....but I gotta say...I admire all of you guys for what you do with these little birds......it amazes me the knowledge you all have on the very basics of flight..........you may play with small craft....but you all are professionals. Keep doing what you do......
This is a lot but it's something typed up for a fellow pilot:
In my pre-teen years I built small, balsa wood model planes...0.49 engines, flat wing. My uncle was flying the F-4 Phantom in Nam at the time but he also flew the P-51 in air-to-air combat and bombing missions starting in the late 40's. The P-51 was and still is my favorite. It was my first "Built-up" wing model I ever built. Boy....what a difference an actual "foiled wing" made!....Taught me a lot about what flies and what struggles to fly. By the time I was 14-15 I was building 60" wing RC, powered planes. (much later gliders) My uncle retired in 1976. He knew I loved airplanes and later I took up golf....both of which were his 2 favorite activities. In 1980 (I was 21) he arranged for me to go up in Art Scholl's Pitt's Special, not with Art but with the only other guy (Ken, I think) allowed to fly his planes. It was my first time ever air-born. I was so excited I never even thought to be nervous or afraid...I knew this planes capabilities. Ken (after demonstrating them once) let my do rolls and loops (easy) but also Cuban 8's, Hammer head's...etc. Outside maneuvers were much more strenuous than I thought. A few years later my uncle took me flying in his Decathlon (he purchased to fly until he finished building his RV-4) and golfing once a week. After some pretty big earthquakes here they moved to Las Vegas.....he died at 85 in 2012. I miss him a LOT but those memories...... In 2015 I decided to get my pilots license....I took "flying" lessons first instead of ground school (for obvious reasons) and got to where I could solo....I had 4 kids and it was taking up a lot of my free time and $$$ so I put it on the shelf....for now.
More about my uncle if you're interested: supersabresociety.com/biography/ewald-g-kruggel/
I knew this was going to be a rookie mistake when I saw him taxiing without any elevator to hold the tail down.... The CG was probably wrong and looked like he was trying to land with the wind, as it started to stall he gave it throttle which torque rolled to the stalled wing side and down she went... Too bad such a nice plane had to get trashed by inexperience, been there done that myself... just not on anything more than $400.
I 've got this plane too and I can say it's one of the most dificult planes to fly , when the planes stalls it's practically imposible to retrive it
Ummm.....don't take off or land WITH THE WIND !!
This guy did both. We all make mistakes. Just wish it hadn't been with such a beautiful plane.
Brave of you to post your mistake for the rest of us to learn by. Myself, I would have destroyed this evidence. Lol
Next time he must make sure to fly at proper speed since those models don't like slow flying...
Also such power and heavy motor stuff at full acceleration will make too much torque for the airplane to handle...
You made it look easy!
Keep it up.
Are you same guy as the other car crash time ?
Oh my God im so sorry for your loss.
Man thats some huge awsome plane.
Hope u got it repaired and in the air again.
This reminds me of so many Ferrari/Lambo videos I've seen here on youtube.. Dudes have more money than skill.. And since money tends to tremendously inflate the ego.. They think they can handle big powerful things, no problem.. But alas, we get this.. Crashed Ferrari's and crashed planes : (.
Truly a heartbreaking loss. I often wonder if the scale model builder realizes that with scale downsizing comes a real loss of lift. He should know that there is a factor known as the Reynolds number in the lift formula. For this reason the wing loading is higher than expected with a model.flying at scale speeds.
That's a crow!? That thing must be sick or something. lol
Pretty cool. Entered a snap roll on landing just like the real "ensign eliminator". This is one of the reasons the USN refused the Corsair as a carrier bird at first.
Way to pour on the salt to bloodsoaked wound people. What happened to the adage 'it's not a question of if you ever are going to crash, it's a question of when you crash' Happens to the best pilots. So quit hiding behind your arrogance because you've all done it too.
shut up lord whitman
Been flying r/c since 1979 to yesterday 2023 and have NEVER had a crash...yet, and in the 47 members in my club nonenhave crashed yet either and the latest member has been in for the past 10 years.
Gotthatright 😊
Plain and simple. It stalled. Even the full scale Corsairs drop a wing when stalled. He should have kept the nose down. Instead, he leveled it out, lost air speed, and stalled. End of story. The other comments are plain unknowning BS.
pensandcalls Have to totally agree with this. Everybody looks for balancing issues or electronic issues etc. The plane stalled plain and simple. Pilot was bordering on stall the whole flight. Listen to the engine. Throttle was back a lot, flying slow, stalled and crashed. Sorry, man. Beautiful plane.
pensandcalls Totally agree. Seems to me like an inexperience warbird pilot who thought he could just glide it in with no throttle.
yost28 Yup, as our club president would say who has over 40 years experience in RC planes, "with scale warbirds or any other high wing load plane, ya gotta fly it to the runway. No exceptions. They are not floaters."
sure it stalled that's evident, however its hard to tell looking at just a video ALL the factors in a crash.from what I could see, based on way it lifted off and position of elevator that looked very tail heaving. pilot also looks to be flying it like a much lighter wing loaded foamy compounding the problem. Without more FACTS no comments on a video viewing are going to be fully accurate, but my best guess is multiple issues in that crash.
Downwind landings with choppy control inputs and lack of airspeed rarely end up on the rubber parts.
Very unfortunate. But you could hear it throttle up as it went down. Stall? Hmmm...Hope you got her fixed back up long before now! Happy flying!
Radio failure my a$$ .... BIG pilot error... you can't slow down an F4U like that on final, period. Big money, zero skill...
the F4U is notorious for stalls and resulting snaps. read up on its history, the ensign killer. did you know the US Navy gave up on this plane. choosing instead the Bearcat? at this size, the "model" would have similar flying attributes to the real plane. a pity for the pilot to lose such a beautiful plane, and have damaged the engine. this is why a very good simulator is needed. this video shows lack of pilot skill and training.
Not so, the Navy never gave up on the Corsair, it was in use with the Marines but it was not approved for carrier use, only land based, as the visibility on final approach was too poor. Until, that is the British, who were using the Corsair as a carrier plane, shared their discovery of the curved final approach to obviate the visibility issue. The pilot only lost sight of the deck at the last second or so. After this it was in use by the US Navy on carriers for the rest of ww2 and into Korea.
Just saw this vid...and my heart was poundind f... fast from the moment i read the title / description. Then the crash came and it hurt me as if it was mine. Truly sorry for your loss. 😭 I've lost a few also. Hurts more in your heart and pride than your wallet.
So what was the background of the pilot at this RC club? What kind of planes had he flown before this, and had he asked for any kind of advice or help before trying to get this up in the air? And is he still flying at this club now after this unfortunate crash?
[quote]He created the stall because he sux![end quote] [quote]i[sic] (I) figure it's an inexperienced pilot and ready myself 4 an exciting flite,,, sorry, but this was hilarious:)[end quote] [quote]What an idiot.[end quote]
You know, It's really intimidating to know that sooo many people here are born fliers with full blown piloting skills from the cradle and who obviously never, but NEVER had a single mishap in their entire lives so that they feel a need and right to mock anybody else who should even dream of entering their sainted realm of sky with anything other than a folded paper airplane. What utter fools they be! (Now. Figure out which group I'm referring to!)
I had been thinking about taking up RC flying but, it's clear that I would be really wasting my time to even consider aspiring to tread among such flawless, matchless pilots to whom pilot error is utterly unthinkable. How ridiculous of me to even imagine I might one day join the ranks of such as these. Abandon hope all ye who would enter here and I guess I should just go bowling or fishing instead...
Lol best comment yet! I been flying 26 years and I still crash them sometimes... It's part of the hobby and the fun... I do think he rushed his "big" project a Lil though... You can tell the cg was off to the rear... Just saying if you gonna spend about 8 grand on a plane you should definitely check, check, and check again! Props to him for flying out like it was stolen though lol!
however...newbies shouldn't be buying $8,000 models...it only gives the haters more ammunition.
Agreed that he was overreaching his skill levels.
+xbpbat21x somebody's jealous. Lol
He can buy whatever he wants. What you think, couldn't be more irrelevant.
Real lovers of this hobby offer guidance. They don't shit on other pilots.
This is why you likely fly alone....if at all.
lmdetect I was offering guidance....your first plane should not be an $8,000 dollar warbird. If your flying is anything like your posting...stick to trainers.
stick to a trainer
I had the same problem with a large scale Corsair. When he first took off engine was fine. Once he turned downwind the engine was shutting down. The plane slowed down and he made an attempt for the runway. The engine came back to life and his gear wasn't all the way down so he decided to go around. Once the plane got back up to speed the engine died again.
Corsair cowlings have a tendency to build pressure inside the cowl. Too much air coming in and not enough getting out. The metering valve on the carb senses this as lower altitude and dumps a bunch of fuel in the carb flooding the engine. When the plane slowed down the pressure dropped and the engine was able to recover.
is the corsair more difficult to fly than the p51 mustang? does the shape of the wing change the way it flies?
They didn't call the Corsair the "Ensign Eliminator" for nothing. ;-)
Yikes! That plane is awesome looking and sounding. The guy at the end of the video took the words right out of my mouth... "Oh no, oh sh**, bloody hell!"
What Composite ARF 1/4 scale RC Corsair is that? Where did you get it? Does it come with workable flaps? Is it truely a 1/4 scale? What is the wing span and the fuseloge length?
The full sized Corsair had this problem when it first started aircraft carrier landings. A small stall strip was added to the leading edge of the starboard wing, outboard of the guns. This model was stalling above the tree line so no ground effect way up there. The flaps are huge and the wheel strut covers are quite large too, all of which needs power to overcome. If you look at a lot of large r/c model crash videos you'll see that full flaps on landing are many times fatal. I've had problems with the elevator being blanked out by all this stuff hanging down, making pitch control almost impossible. Models would probably last longer by using 40 degrees of flap on landings. Leave full flaps for static judging on the ground. Remember, a 35 lb. model is way easier to slow down than a 8,000 lb. full sized fighter aircraft.
Wow - All that effort - All that work.
Gone in an instant.
Makes me glad I fly RTF's
hard to tell looking at just a video , but based on way it lifted off and position of elevator that looked very tail heaving. pilot also looks to be flying it like a much lighter wing loaded foamy compounding the problem. thanks for sharing.
I had the same thing happen with a small er scale version. That plane has a crazy inner wing stall characteristic because of the gull-wing. You really need to keep up the approach speed or you snap roll approach stall....Really expensive slow approach!!
If you look at the wind sock at 2:08, it looks as if he took off and was trying to land with the wind?
Stalled. Lots of power. But he tried to float that approach like it was a high wing trainer. He wasn’t ready for the fast sink rate with power off. Then tip stalled so fast there was no recovering from that.
It's very sad to see such mishaps. Sorry for the pilot but I think he did not so many flights with this corsair before, didn't he?
Do you RC guys check the CG before these fly cool airplanes? A little slow flight practice would not hurt as well.......
that thing looks HEAVY
It sounded awesome!
Looks just like the first time I tried to land a Flyzone foamy Corsair....I did the exact same thing, fixed it, and learned!
Oh that sucks, such a beautiful plane too!
Really? What was going on with them? any details.... I have the Hanger 9 Beast which I am getting ready to start and have been looking at the 120 AD. These big boys are usually very reliable. Mental note taken
What a stunning machine! :o
At the first hint of a stall people give it more throttle and the torque makes it roll more sometimes, even on an electric.
I am going to guess there might have been a balancing issue. The plane looked a bit unstable while in flight, and then of course the stall at the end.
Don Kargo I agree. It looked tail heavy.
Take off are optional but landings are mandatory! Sorry for your loss.....makes my wallet hurt just watching it. ;)
Im an upset pilot maneuvering trainer for years now. A trick to avoid stalling when slow is like this:
1-Put the hands in a PUSH POSITION (Both hands the stick and throttle hand too). Never put them in PULL POSITION. If you put them in Pull Position you will pull when nervous (without noticing it most times). Practice that first. Also do LEAN forward a bit when pushing down or adding power, Never step back or lean back. What your body does, your hands will follow. Just my 2c. That teaching method can be used on the real airplanes too.
@Raptor50aus yea man thats to bad! She sure was a beauty!
I thought Moki's were flawless?
Tail heavy?
yes most likely he lost to much air speed however, IMO i think it was a combintation of airspeed and the radio wasn't keeping up. the "stall" looked a little sharp for just slow speed. but like james said we weren't there.
what's the C&G LIKE ,, was it tail heavy !
I mean this guy treats the throttle as an on/off switch. Why does he throttle completely down on approach??
I wonder what the wind was doing . Fast stall ?? CofG wrong plane was heavy.?
Ouch! I really love Corsairs, too.
That was heartbreaking to watch. Did that model have a radial engine in it?
She almost stalled/crashes the fist time at 2:01. on final, dont let wind get under your left wingtip (with this crosswind) keep it down, and keep the nose down. now the right wing stalled and it crashed. in windy condition give it some overspeed on final. So sad. Verry beautifull plane. Before flying do pre flight check, when on downwind do your pre landing checks. like gear down etc.
Who do you think hurt worst?
It hurts to see. Many years ago I crashed a similar size Corsair of a friend, in a very similar way.
this guy had no clue...
"i think it did?" what do you think a stall looks like?
ouch that hurt to watch .
hope that you got it flying again .
How much does one of these cost?
Do these warbirds get wonky and sloppy on the controls when they approach stall? Or, does the plane stay responsive and suddenly depart, easily catching you off guard.
These plane get really sloppy and slow to respond just prior to the stall... You never want to bring it below stall speed unless you have at least three mistakes of altitude or your wheels are safely on the ground... Even stalls at inches above the ground like some pilots do tends to break gear... Take your time in the landing pattern... Keep it level and control your descent with power not elevator...
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Oh S&%$%T bloody hell..... LOL, that old man in the background just cracked me up @ 2.32
yes he is still a regular flyer too and is now 80 yo
great guy !!!!
ouch wingtip stall !, such a beauty of a model..... hope you rebuild it .
how much do these things cost?
Darn, sorry for the loss. Looks like a classic tip stall.
It looked great at the take-off. Didn't seem to pitch up as if it was tail heavy. Then the tail wanted to drop at 1:53 and onward, especially with the gear up - and back. With the gear back down it got a bit better until he descended with the power back and the nose was fairly level. A little bit of power in the last 5-6 seconds may have saved it. But maybe not - who knows?
He took off in the wrong direction and what about flaps?
That was a beautiful model, such a shame. He did seem to be having a bit of a battle from the start. What's the official angle ?
that motor really does sound great
RC airplanes are like having a car chasing dog. You don’t want to get too attached to them.
You can’t wallow along that slow with a big warbird. And I agree, it needed another look at where the CG was at.
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@eastcoast78
I think it may have been tail heavy. The way it leaped off the ground on take off, and when he cut the engine down, the tail would drop and start falling like a leaf. Looks like he wanted it back on the ground ASAP. He should have flown it in with some power, but we all can sit here and criticize.
Anyone know if it was the maiden flight ?
Which state and flying club are you from
My uncle had a smaller corsair that caught fire in mid air and crashed, and you can see the smoke trails on the wings.
I betcha the pilot was thinking: "Hey look, a penny!"CRASH!
Did you try turn it off and on again?
A wise man told me "A nose heavy aircraft flies poorly, a tail heavy aircraft flies once."
Tip Stall, man that sucks, was a nice plane---have a Mokki in it?
That plane in particular ? always pain in the but
You'll be happy to know that he has just about finished another corsair.
Problem was the motor and another corsair owner here with the same Moki motor had the same issues and had to belly land too.
So stay tuned for the next corsair flight.!!
Slow speed tip stall! that sucks.. Love the sound of that motor though. I hope he gets it going again
This is truly terrible! What a great looking plane. My brother died the exact same way. Scary.
feel for this guy, what a beautiful plane!
Tha'ts your CLASSIC TIP STALL! What a drag!
Beautiful plane, Im sure you will rebuild it and learn from your mistakes.
Lmao
No forward motion --> no airflow over the wing
No airflow over wing --> No lift
No lift --> No fly
No fly --> plane goes into the ground.... a moment of silence for what looked like a beautiful model. The engine sounded really good hopefully it was not damaged
Rudder may have malfunction, or maybe to much flap for coming in landing.. nice plain though
did he fix it?
It's always easy to comment after the event. Despite the tail heaviness, the start of the approach looked promising. You dropped the nose to keep the air speed up but then you levelled too high, not enough power, lost the air speed and tip stalled. Gee, your elevator must've been so sensitive. That's the highest tip stall I've seen so far. It usually happens lot lower. Sorry about your loss mate.