I’ve lived all over the country. St. Louis, San Francisco, Orlando, New York City and now live in Portland. It amazes me how much crap Portland gets for being “scary” or “crime filled”. It’s pretty bad when it comes to the homeless but not much worse than any of the other cities I’ve lived in and traveled to in the US these days and when it comes to crime sure there are plenty of petty crimes but not much violence. I’d be way more afraid to visit downtown St. Louis and 100 other rust belt to southern cities than Portland.
Agreed. We were there to scout it for a conference last fall and it was mostly great. The downtown had streets so clean you could eat off them. 23rd Avenue was was one of the most charming shopping streets I’ve ever seen. The cocktail lounges along East Burnside were great. The Japanese garden was beautiful. Yup, I saw some homeless people and I’m sure there’s crime. Just like every other city. Oh well.
The problem is, not all students want to be labourers (nothing wrong with that - one son and my husband operate heavy equipment) but what about the person who wants to learn history to eventually teach? My youngest son comes home from uni everyday and I ask him what he learned that day. Invariably, what he has covered in class are topics about which he already has great knowledge. I asked him about that and his response - “I don’t need to learn this stuff…I already know it. I need the degree to be able to do what I want in my life.”
They had little time to go into details on the show but there are many ways to approach schooling. 2 years for a history degree is sufficient, for a master's or PhD make it 3-4. You don't need 2 years of general Ed courses and it can be done semi remote or completely remote. I'm doing a master's right now completely remote. The point is the current, 4 year university system is not necessary. Some subjects can be learned on the job, online, in trade school, and yes some need formal schooling. But there is a lot of fat to trim.
What these men are saying isn't all wrong but what I find alarming is that all of these men have a sphere of influence and Bill in particular keeps on harping on this topic pretty much every show, so are any of them mentoring someone in their field? On one hand Bill keeps saying people are stupid and that the education system isn't working and then turns around and say the colleges are useless. For these men to say that kids are getting smart by not going to college is rich. Is going to a college for everyone of course not. Do we want Doctors learning from RUclips, or lawyers, engineers, scientist etc. ? What these men are doing is irresponsible and spreading misinformation on top of it.
@@magicmarker7047 Nope, you don't want your Amazon drivers, factory workers, HVAC technicians et al being told that they *have* to get a four year degree to have a career, which is the inverse of your Doctors from RUclips bit. Of course *some* people need four (or more) year degrees. It's been pushed for decades that you must have a degree to make money and it's not true. People that go to tech schools for a year or two start their careers, work their way up, and have houses and cars and families while some of the kids who got sold on four years of University for $300k (or whatever obscene amount it is right now) will most likely be far behind, paying off that debt, and might catch up in their 50's.. maybe. No one is saying four year degrees don't have any value. They are saying they are not *required*, which is what I was taught in the 80's.
@@dreamcoyote I have never thought that Amazon drivers, factory workers needed to have a college degree to do those kinds of jobs, they come under the heading of unskilled jobs. Of course we need technical schools as a step down from colleges. For those that have zero desire or ambition can then all become RUclips influencers because that seems to be the trend, but that then opens it up to nothing but rich kids getting an education which then causes the rich to stay rich and the poor stay poor. The power lever stays the same because people like this panel don't want anyone to rise above their ignorant station. If people expect nothing from their society they will get nothing. How many times has Bill stated that the GenZ are not very motivated.
One thing they failed to mention: When you put in self-checkout, "lay off" your cashiers, cut your staff to the bone, and end up with nine underpaid employees in a 250,000 sq. ft. store, you're not going to stop shoplifters.
My supermarket has done this. I never use it. Along with the other refuseniks, I line up to deal with the human cashier. Once they’re gone, I won’t visit the store.
Yeah way to distract from the main issue of rising crime due to leftist district attorneys. Best way to stop shop lifters is punishment not more employees
Dont worry ... R- lead states are introducing new child labor laws. Thanks to outdated federal mandates it only requires companies to pay $4.50 hr for the first 90 days of employment. I'm sure Walmart will take advantage of this and hire disinterested teens to fill checker positions.
Portland is not as bad as the media makes you think. I live in a suburb of Portland and go there a lot. According to local reporting, the Walmart closures were more likely due to low sales. Why didn't the media pick up the stories when Walmarts closed in Texas? Crime and homelessness is a problem across the country.
"Don't need college for the arts." Well, maybe. But if you want a career in opera, for instance, you need to learn not only how to sing, but you also need to acquire at least a functional understanding of Italian, German, and French, and maybe Russian. If you don't know anything about music theory or music history, you can still get by, but it will be more difficult. It's probably increasingly possible to get all that skill outside of academia, but in an academic institution, you have access to all that education in one place, plus you get firsthand knowledge of the business from professors who have performing careers, plus you build connections, plus you get the experience of singing actual roles onstage, performing recitals for others who know the repertoire, etc. It's not just a matter of "you either have it or your don't." Acquiring skills requires more than just raw talent.
I can understand language being an Academic study but not Opera or singing. Those are more geared to an individual pursuit of career. Lots of careers are furthered by language study.
University is about learning critical thinking. You have the rest of your life to be stuck doing the practical work-related stuff. You don't want to become one of those people who say, "I've done my own research", and you just know they couldn't tell a reliable source of information from complete nonsense. There is great value in university. You don't have to go to be successful for sure, but it shouldn't be under-valued either.
Regarding Walmart closures: The sense of community is gone from many cities where family-run businesses have been replaced by box stores. Downtown areas, the heart of friendly and prosperous communities have been made vacant by corporations like Walmart. No surprise, the result is indifference about shoplifting from heartless megastores.
I don't know of any Walmarts that are in inner cities/downtown. I'm not saying they don't exist but you blame big box stores? I used to work at a pharmacy chain in major city. The ones most prone to theft were closest to down town. And guess what you have there. The projects.
I always watch overtime first to see if the guests are engaging and if the host is properly medicated (neither over nor under, but just right). This looks like a good one.
The other reason Walmart is leaving Portland: the Venn diagram of people who need to shop at Walmart and people who can afford to live in Portland is just two circles side by side. Their target market has largely been priced out of the city, so what’s left are shoplifters and people who wouldn’t be caught dead in one of their stores. Bill said it himself a few years back: one of the single greatest benefits of making it into the middle class is never having to set foot in Walmart again
I’m kind of surprised that John didn’t mention that the word “utopia” literally means “no place,” as in a place that can’t exist. It’s a different Greek prefix than “eu,” which would mean “good place.”
As a Portland resident it is sad that I have to confirm that our beautiful city has been devastated. Hopefully legislation will eventually be enacted to clean this city up and return it to the clean friendly city it was known as
Richest man in the world received another $330 million tax break from Nevada legislators and they also propose a security camera retrofit in classrooms at the cost of $40 millions. Meanwhile, the discussion about teachers pay, school supplies, nurses, psychologists and quality - or is it equity now - education remains suspended in perpetual motion.
I’ve never been for college for everyone however I’d push back a bit about arts degrees. Yes there are too many and there are issues however there is value to some extent that they didn’t mention. A person pursuing a theatre arts degree because they want to be an actor is a good example. They bulk of their class load deals with all the other things involved in theatre production from building sets including hands on skills like welding to creative presentation of ideas. The skills are useful whether a person works in the field after graduating but also highly applicable to other fields. I also don’t think it’s a bad idea to expand your mind into areas you wouldn’t normally on your own in those crucial years of development. The idea that we could cram it into high school or that people are going to spontaneously seek knowledge is a bit far fetched imo. Again I’m not for college for all and agree that there are valuable paths to take without college but there are many benefits in addition to the few I mentioned that shouldn’t be ignored.
It’s not always about your performance on the job or skills if you are involved in the trades, it’s how you perform in society, and can you think critically, and know when you’re being bullshitted by some NYC con artist making as a politician!
I'd say that the biggest issue is that parents have been forcing their kids to attend college. I'm nearly 40 and I didn't really have a choice about college. My parents were cementing a down payment as soon as possible. Luckily, I wanted to go to college and it all worked out, but dating back to the 90's, parents started creating this college mandate. And I understand why.... they were much better off financially than their parents and they wanted their kids to automatically have a spot reserved at the top of the job market. But I remember seeing a lot of friends and classmates get pushed off to college and it was basically just burning money. It's not about discouraging college, it's about not making it a mandate. Because eventually, more jobs will require a degree for no real reason, which eliminates candidates that could be more qualified but lack that piece of paper. And nowadays, a 4 year bachelors degree is not all that valuable... now, they need a masters degree.
Yes, and why isn't community college and two-year degrees ever mentioned in these arguments against college? Not to mention the fact that a lot of jobs DO require college still, and you can't learn them on RUclips! A lot of college students are studying to be teachers, engineers, accountants, etc. These aren't useless studies at all!
I don't think liberals arts should be a standalone degree. Philosophy, theatre, music, etc. classes are important, but those can easily be incorporated into a regular curriculum where a student will actually probably get more use out of it than only taking arts classes. Being exposed to the arts is important, but it is really something that can be studied and learned on its own (like every philosopher in history did, for example).
@@mlejeune9 I concur. I think such courses are important for expanding the human being, but having a degree like "liberal arts" gives you no purpose, UNLESS you want to go on to grad school and study something more specific.
@@notme2day laboring students with debt just to get an education and have a better outcome is monstrous. Student debt should be forgiven, and third level education should be free.
@@kevinmurphy5249 I agree that higher education should be free or at the very least cost effective ... unfortunately this is America. I agree more John. If schools did a better, eclectic job teaching k-12 it would negate the need for a college education save for career fields where it is a essential.
SVB: the FDIC should have stuck with the $250k insurance limit on each account, and then clawed back the bonuses paid out to distribute among depositors.
The thing about "school for the arts", is that all too often those graduates form a tight knit community that understands how to play the "art" game of getting in the gallery, getting grants, getting your work in front of the right critic, who is usually another graduate of the system - to the point where art has very little to do with art and more to do with who you know. Art school teaches one how to play the game more than how to actually make art.
John McWhorter is my hero. He is liberal and practical, which is awesome, and he is a linguist, which means that his mind works in a different way (think: Noam Chomsky), and he has a great sense of humor.
That was a quick comeback.. YT! ... lol And he's right. A lot of people watch old TV now because new TV is crap and doesn't have the substance of older TV and entertainment.
Tyrangiel got a couple things wrong here. Silicon Valley Bank is integral to the startup community and the Bay Area. The bank run was caused by Peter Thiel a thoroughly repugnant person.
Oh... there are Walmarts, Targets, etc right in the middle of Philly neighborhoods. I'm about 20 minutes outside of the city and there all of the time. If Portland can't support them because of rampant crime, they need to do something about the crime, not throw their hands up.
What nonsense. I live just outside of Portland currently, but grew up there. Yes, we have problems with the homeless, but so do all other west coast cities. Walmart is closing because they have competition with Costco, Amazon and Fred Meyers. I've yet to walk into any of these stores and find locked cases .
Sounds great, Sina....I hope you go far with your talent and obvious dedication........may I suggest seeking out the work of the great studio session drummers of the 70's like Steve Gadd, Jim Gordon and Jeff Porcaro. ........cheers!
The hypocrisy is breathtaking. John McWhorter: Simon's Rock College (AA), Rutgers University (BA), New York University (MA), Stanford University (PhD); Josh Tyrangiel: University of Pennsylvania (B.A.), Yale University (M.A.); Bill Maher: Cornell University (BA).
I love John, but his comments on the end about crime in Portland completely disregard the fact that they're actively NOT prosecuting certain crimes. Period. They've come out and said it, criminals know they can do certain things with impunity and they do. It's a direct result of an insane ideology with political and judicial power.
There was a lab studying the Covid virus for several years. When the virus broke out, what benefit did we get from the lab that was studying the virus? Seemed like there was no benefit whatsoever, so what’s the argument for gain of function research?
The Portland Walmarts: I live near Portland and the local news did some research on this issue and talked to the local Walmart management. They are NOT closing the store due to rampant theft and they have no idea how that rumor started. They are closing them because they are not profitable enough.
Agree with there is too much college, but not with any person who uses the word "coder", nobody in the industry uses that term. A CS degree doesn't teach you the latest and greatest things, it more teaches the thought patterns that you would need in order to adapt and be successful since tech changes so often. The "what" doesn't change, just the "how" or implementation of it. Studying CSS is definitely not the way.
You know this guy knows nothing about college today when he says “pretending to like Shakespeare.” Shakespeare is hardly taught in college today. I’m an English prof, btw. The entire enterprise of higher education is already bent to its breaking point toward “get-a-job-ism.” At some point, it needs to be reaffirmed that education is a highly valuable end in and of itself.
I think a performing arts Conservatory would be considered more of a trade school than a traditional college. I enrolled in a traditional College in a BA theater program. But I dropped out after 1 year and went into a professional Conservatory, and graduated with a conservatory certificate after 2 years, and I feel like that education was a lot more helpful to me than getting a college degree.
My God, if Portland is bad theses guys should spend some time in Rio de Janeiro (where I live) and see how you can have businesses like wal-mart all around the place
its not, its terrible just like coal, france has basically only nuclear and is in deep energy crisis since 4 years because 90% dont work. you have to get the ressources from africa, it takes years, then there is the waste. nad they really dont produce much energy at all, and first and foremost energy production is extremely easy, everywhere. the problem is always bein too much energy. nuclear is not super useful
It’s good to see these 3 give the topic of gain of function research a short half hearted concern. It’s obvious how CNN wants us to perceive the activities of the corporations that own our government. Steady as she goes..
I am a web developer in the Boston market. All you need is a Associates Degree and a love of RUclips coding videos and you'll be a programming rockstar.
And as a comment to the trust and help comment. I'll say the same thing I told my family. You have done nothing, to build/garner trust. And massive efforts in the opposite direction. So you have a lot, to do.
I went to an "Art" school . It was actually a trade school to learn applications to use in web design and graphic design in general. By the time I graduated, 90% of what they taught us was obsolete already. They had unqualified teachers teaching complicated applications like Adobe Illustrator. They hired a guy who had never used a computer. He was an illustrator for history books. He could draw very well. But he couldn't operate the application AT ALL. And I owe something like $50,000 for that shite. So trade schools are just as bad as colleges. Sometimes worse. I guess it depends on what you chose to pursue. If you want to be a mechanic, maybe trade schools are the best way to go about it....Although I think if you could get a position where you learn on the job , it might work out better
Not American but before I finished High School I couldn't think of a career I would want that would've justified staying at school for longer out of my own pocket.
While it‘s true that not all people can qualify for a 4-year + education, most can get into a 2-year college and get More education in better understanding about the world we live in! Without advanced education of doctors, nurses, physicists, we would have no healing of diseases, surgery, etc!!!😠
Excellent episode this week, especially compared to last week with that bloviating clown Russell Brand. Though they need to ban that woman that was a cackling hyena from the audience.
There ought to be a standardized degree plan that consists of nothing more than an exam that lasts perhaps a month. You need to demonstrate deep knowledge and insight in your chosen field of study and a good knowledge in everything else. The test is all oral examination by conversation (or demonstration of knowledge for harder sciences) with a single professor in that subject that lasts a few hours. You do this twice a day for 4 weeks Monday through Friday. So 40 different conversations are had and at the end of each a grade is given by the examiner. A passing grade will yield a degree. A failing grade will yield a disappointed applicant. No other academic credentials are necessary. No high school diploma or letters of recommendation or any of that. Anyone can apply at any time and after paying a fee they will have their examination month scheduled.
Stop telling the students to not go to college and start telling the corporations that employees typically don't need college to be successful in your company.
@@kathydb613 Yup. For example, neither of my kids actually finished college, both of them are now knocking it out of the park in their fields. One kid is making about 3X what I make and the other is making just under 4X what I make and I'm not exactly making minimum wage. They were given the chance and both are doing better than most in their companies. Both are now directors where they are. Education doesn't always translate to intelligence as we're seeing every day in politics. Sometimes people just need a chance and maybe we need to figure out a better way of judging how you determine if someone should get a chance. Degrees don't tell you nearly enough of what you need to know about the potential employee. I remember my wife telling me about one of her workers bragging about his mba every time he was called to the carpet for making screw-ups. It always went the same way, you screwed up and put the company in jeopardy, he brings up his mba, she'd have to remind him that his peers without mba's aren't screwing up and his clients don't care about his mba and neither did she. What she cared about were results and no screw ups. Long story short, he got the message after repeated warnings, resigned and everyone in his department sighed with relief. My wife puts very little weight on post secondary education because she's seen that some of her best workers over the years only had a high school education and are now doing better than she is. She hires people on contract for whatever amount of time when there's an opening, if they work out, she offers full time, if it doesn't, when the contract expires, she lets them go, no hard feelings as they were never hired full time to begin with.
In their discussion of college, they failed to mention TRADE SCHOOLS. Those still exist, and for the right people can often be the perfect fit to place them in a productive career path, often in a short time. More high schoolers need exposure to trade skills and we need Shop Classes and Secretarial Courses brought back to junior high school.
They've mentioned trade schools many times in the past, particularly when Bernie was on a couple of weeks ago. He specifically included trade skills in his proposal of free college educations, etc.
@kuru K I don't care if God's launching missiles. I'm in the black hills and I know where a cave is that hides under 500 ft of granite. The old days are back baby
She is a plant I call her the Hyena. There is a guy every week who whoops all the time, I believe the Hyena and the guy are hired. Maher has said he now keeps a smaller more enthusiastic audience and has eliminated what he called "the moaners". He has in a way "cancelled' a segment of his audience which is an issue he whines about (cancelling) all the time. Bill has become somewhat of a hypocrite.
Expanding access to advanced classes in high school, as well as trades, especially in low-income schools, particularly rural schools, would really help.
My son received culinary and hospitality education in high school. He graduated with a certificate and immediately worked on the line in fine dining. He’s now a professional bread baker for a high end grocer, as well as apprenticing as a mushroom farmer. High school is where we need more on offer.
Agree. I still believe in higher edu and what it’s originally about. I benefited immensely from my experience and degree. I do realize not every HS graduate needs to go or will get the same from it. I’m intellectually curious, most people are not and nothing wrong with either way. The diversity of personalities in our species made us very successful.
@@bizonc me too and it’s there for us. I hold two degrees, with a now non-practicing medical license, as well as a biz license unrelated to my degree fields. I keep learning because I passionately want to. My sons both tried college and didn’t enjoy it as I do. They’re both extremely successful in their culinary professions. High school has, in recent years, been treated as preparatory for college; That’s the mistake. It’s should be about the business of creating whole, well-rounded, and capable CITIZENS. $.02
Yeah this is such a crock of shit. They are building a new town for employees for Space X Tesla Boring Company, not a utopia. It's not Disneyland or an experimental commune or anything like that. It's just a town, people are just being hyperbolic coz it's MUSK and he is the baddie in their book. Sensationalism.
I was like, yeah, but I'm sure David had better things to do. I guess he probably doesn't smoke pot though, because he definitely would've been hanging around otherwise.
In the US, college is a racket. Unless your goal is something that requires a high degree such as doctor, lawyer, etc. Just learn the job you want to do and DO it. My generation got suckered into believing you can’t get any job without a college degree, and for a while it was true. In the early 2000s I was an office manager and to hire for a receptionist job, for $9 an hour they wanted at minimum, an associates degree. Like, they won’t let you answer their phones until you go at least $10,000 in debt. It’s BS. I really hope businesses aren’t requiring college degrees for menial, mindless work anymore.
Unless you are going into major sciences or something like law where it takes a decade to learn everything, 1-2 yr secondary schools for business, technology, specialized labor, mechanics, plumbing, electrical, carpentry, etc, should be readily available. Vocational high schools and 1-2 yr secondary programs are fantastic. They have been defended and faced out all over the County. They need to be reinforced and promoted and employers, even high tech, should be supporting them. They used to be tge backbone of the middle class and need to be again.
@@basicstickfigure1087 Manufacturing is only one of MANY types of blue collar jobs. So your statement is only partially correct. And recently….we are doing the opposite of Globalization….so many of those manufactured jobs are starting to come back
Thanks to really poor higher education leadership and regency boards, universities have little to do with education and learning, and more about "come stay with us for 4 years for THE EXPERIENCE!" College campuses have become these very expensive sports/amusement park-like businesses where young people enjoy greek life, sporting events, partying, and getting away from parents, but have major anxiety when it comes to their studies and are triggered by anything and everything discussed in the classroom. Colleges today are crafting alumni (ie tribes) to solicit money from for generations. It's about 1/8 learning and preparing for a profession, and about 7/8 all the other stuff.
Exactly! And that the first year and a half of classes in the 4 year universities are the 100 level prerequisite courses that are just a repeat of high school. I remember my freshman year, and it was just ridiculous. My speech class was no different whatsoever from high school. I was in calculus in high school but had to take some basic math course in college because "it was a requirement for all students". It was a complete waste of time and money.
@@jeffs6090 well yhen I'm sure you're in favor of paying appropriate taxes so K-12 education is improved and meaningful. But somehow these anti-college folks are never for that.
@@jeffs6090 The gen ed classes and even some specific major classes pays for grad students and grad faculty. The undergrad level has a plethora of general classes that everyone takes and you can only do so in a section of 500 students, and 1 faculty teaching it, so the Master's and PhD level classes can have 3-5 students, and that same 1 faculty teaching. The undergrad level covers the expenses of the grad levels. For awhile undergrad majors kept increasing in required credits (so universities could make more money), but students got tired of going 5-6 years and paying for 135 credits for 1 degree. So most scaled back to 120-124 credits for an undergrad degree. But then universities started offering minors. For an extra 18-20 credits you can complete a major and a minor!!! Universities are for profit businesses with not-for-profit tax status. They are just as savvy at making a buck as corporations are. It's a neoliberal mindset, which believes anything and everything can be commoditized and sold.
Exactly. When I started out as a professor in the 1980s, most of the faculty in universities where I conducted research and taught were tenured, full-time professors. Today, qualified academics and scholars are in the minority. It's becoming the all-administrative university where, as you say, the majority of admin staff are selling "experiential" programs. Where you pay to sign up for a summer on the French Riviera and the only required reading is the Guide Book. It's worse in some of the social sciences--where the majority of part-time adjunct faculty come up with a gimmick like a sociology program in Crime Scene Investigation--and the only disciplines CSI tend to hire from are predominantly Chemistry and Psychology.
Love McWhorter. He's great on Glenn lowry's pod cast. Recommend the time when Lowry goes off about Ibram X Kendi and John McWhorter can't stop laughing. When McWhorter laughs the world smiles. Plus Lowry is priceless on Kendi, lol.
nuclear is actually quite safe compared to other forms of energy production seems counter intuitive, but its just more dramatic so stands out in our minds like air travel vs car
Was looking for a comment about this. Nuclear is the most effective and carbon clean energy source we have right now. While gain of function research its debated if it has any benefits at all.
and the comparison with gain of function research is even more apt when you understand exactly how safe nuclear is, these things are used like a bogeyman to scare people into being illogical and Bill is falling for it big time 😕
I’ve lived all over the country. St. Louis, San Francisco, Orlando, New York City and now live in Portland. It amazes me how much crap Portland gets for being “scary” or “crime filled”. It’s pretty bad when it comes to the homeless but not much worse than any of the other cities I’ve lived in and traveled to in the US these days and when it comes to crime sure there are plenty of petty crimes but not much violence. I’d be way more afraid to visit downtown St. Louis and 100 other rust belt to southern cities than Portland.
If people care about the homeless so much they can open their home to them
Those places all have a fraction of St. Louis' 44.6% black population. Just saying.
So who is stealing all the stuff from WalMart? The homeless?
Agreed. We were there to scout it for a conference last fall and it was mostly great. The downtown had streets so clean you could eat off them. 23rd Avenue was was one of the most charming shopping streets I’ve ever seen. The cocktail lounges along East Burnside were great. The Japanese garden was beautiful. Yup, I saw some homeless people and I’m sure there’s crime. Just like every other city. Oh well.
@@cvsisinthehouse Probably the same as in SF. Homeless and organized crime rings.
The problem is, not all students want to be labourers (nothing wrong with that - one son and my husband operate heavy equipment) but what about the person who wants to learn history to eventually teach? My youngest son comes home from uni everyday and I ask him what he learned that day. Invariably, what he has covered in class are topics about which he already has great knowledge. I asked him about that and his response - “I don’t need to learn this stuff…I already know it. I need the degree to be able to do what I want in my life.”
They had little time to go into details on the show but there are many ways to approach schooling. 2 years for a history degree is sufficient, for a master's or PhD make it 3-4. You don't need 2 years of general Ed courses and it can be done semi remote or completely remote. I'm doing a master's right now completely remote.
The point is the current, 4 year university system is not necessary. Some subjects can be learned on the job, online, in trade school, and yes some need formal schooling. But there is a lot of fat to trim.
What these men are saying isn't all wrong but what I find alarming is that all of these men have a sphere of influence and Bill in particular keeps on harping on this topic pretty much every show, so are any of them mentoring someone in their field? On one hand Bill keeps saying people are stupid and that the education system isn't working and then turns around and say the colleges are useless. For these men to say that kids are getting smart by not going to college is rich. Is going to a college for everyone of course not. Do we want Doctors learning from RUclips, or lawyers, engineers, scientist etc. ? What these men are doing is irresponsible and spreading misinformation on top of it.
@@magicmarker7047 today’s world isn’t the same as it was when you could almost any job with a high school diploma.
@@magicmarker7047 Nope, you don't want your Amazon drivers, factory workers, HVAC technicians et al being told that they *have* to get a four year degree to have a career, which is the inverse of your Doctors from RUclips bit. Of course *some* people need four (or more) year degrees. It's been pushed for decades that you must have a degree to make money and it's not true. People that go to tech schools for a year or two start their careers, work their way up, and have houses and cars and families while some of the kids who got sold on four years of University for $300k (or whatever obscene amount it is right now) will most likely be far behind, paying off that debt, and might catch up in their 50's.. maybe.
No one is saying four year degrees don't have any value. They are saying they are not *required*, which is what I was taught in the 80's.
@@dreamcoyote I have never thought that Amazon drivers, factory workers needed to have a college degree to do those kinds of jobs, they come under the heading of unskilled jobs. Of course we need technical schools as a step down from colleges. For those that have zero desire or ambition can then all become RUclips influencers because that seems to be the trend, but that then opens it up to nothing but rich kids getting an education which then causes the rich to stay rich and the poor stay poor. The power lever stays the same because people like this panel don't want anyone to rise above their ignorant station. If people expect nothing from their society they will get nothing. How many times has Bill stated that the GenZ are not very motivated.
One thing they failed to mention: When you put in self-checkout, "lay off" your cashiers, cut your staff to the bone, and end up with nine underpaid employees in a 250,000 sq. ft. store, you're not going to stop shoplifters.
My supermarket has done this. I never use it. Along with the other refuseniks, I line up to deal with the human cashier. Once they’re gone, I won’t visit the store.
Yeah way to distract from the main issue of rising crime due to leftist district attorneys. Best way to stop shop lifters is punishment not more employees
You hit the nail right on the head there. And having one person watch 8 or 9 people at the self checkout is ridiculous.
No shit
Dont worry ... R- lead states are introducing new child labor laws. Thanks to outdated federal mandates it only requires companies to pay $4.50 hr for the first 90 days of employment. I'm sure Walmart will take advantage of this and hire disinterested teens to fill checker positions.
Portland is not as bad as the media makes you think. I live in a suburb of Portland and go there a lot. According to local reporting, the Walmart closures were more likely due to low sales. Why didn't the media pick up the stories when Walmarts closed in Texas? Crime and homelessness is a problem across the country.
If Walmart is so concerned about security, they should bring back cashiers who ring up & bag your stuff!
This was the best Real Time group ever! Bravo.
@tetmeo-yq3sj Pardon?
"Don't need college for the arts." Well, maybe. But if you want a career in opera, for instance, you need to learn not only how to sing, but you also need to acquire at least a functional understanding of Italian, German, and French, and maybe Russian. If you don't know anything about music theory or music history, you can still get by, but it will be more difficult. It's probably increasingly possible to get all that skill outside of academia, but in an academic institution, you have access to all that education in one place, plus you get firsthand knowledge of the business from professors who have performing careers, plus you build connections, plus you get the experience of singing actual roles onstage, performing recitals for others who know the repertoire, etc. It's not just a matter of "you either have it or your don't." Acquiring skills requires more than just raw talent.
Which exposes what frauds Bill and his guests are.
Exactly...
I can understand language being an Academic study but not Opera or singing. Those are more geared to an individual pursuit of career. Lots of careers are furthered by language study.
University is about learning critical thinking. You have the rest of your life to be stuck doing the practical work-related stuff. You don't want to become one of those people who say, "I've done my own research", and you just know they couldn't tell a reliable source of information from complete nonsense. There is great value in university. You don't have to go to be successful for sure, but it shouldn't be under-valued either.
Regarding Walmart closures: The sense of community is gone from many cities where family-run businesses have been replaced by box stores. Downtown areas, the heart of friendly and prosperous communities have been made vacant by corporations like Walmart. No surprise, the result is indifference about shoplifting from heartless megastores.
I don't know of any Walmarts that are in inner cities/downtown. I'm not saying they don't exist but you blame big box stores? I used to work at a pharmacy chain in major city. The ones most prone to theft were closest to down town. And guess what you have there. The projects.
@@ybrix101We likely experienced different demographics. I've watched changes in towns of 10 to 60K populations.
John Mcworther is exceptionally sharp witted
Love John! He‘s got a great attitude on most things.
I love John. He’s so no nonsense.😊
John is an absolute beast
I always watch overtime first to see if the guests are engaging and if the host is properly medicated (neither over nor under, but just right). This looks like a good one.
That lady’s laugh is killing me 😂
Auditioning for one of Bill's paid "Laugher/Applauder" positions.
The other reason Walmart is leaving Portland: the Venn diagram of people who need to shop at Walmart and people who can afford to live in Portland is just two circles side by side. Their target market has largely been priced out of the city, so what’s left are shoplifters and people who wouldn’t be caught dead in one of their stores. Bill said it himself a few years back: one of the single greatest benefits of making it into the middle class is never having to set foot in Walmart again
I’m kind of surprised that John didn’t mention that the word “utopia” literally means “no place,” as in a place that can’t exist. It’s a different Greek prefix than “eu,” which would mean “good place.”
As a Portland resident it is sad that I have to confirm that our beautiful city has been devastated. Hopefully legislation will eventually be enacted to clean this city up and return it to the clean friendly city it was known as
Richest man in the world received another $330 million tax break from Nevada legislators and they also propose a security camera retrofit in classrooms at the cost of $40 millions. Meanwhile, the discussion about teachers pay, school supplies, nurses, psychologists and quality - or is it equity now - education remains suspended in perpetual motion.
Watching this episode...well I feel as if my IQ points have risen quite a bit. Thanx Bill.
“Is this about Bitcoin losers!?” Bill, it’s why Bitcoin was invented in the first place.
"Little Feather" wasn't a native American. She made it up. Her sisters said as much.
Visited Portland last summer and it was definitely weird and gritty yet didn’t look or feel more dangerous than any other major US city.
I’ve never been for college for everyone however I’d push back a bit about arts degrees. Yes there are too many and there are issues however there is value to some extent that they didn’t mention. A person pursuing a theatre arts degree because they want to be an actor is a good example. They bulk of their class load deals with all the other things involved in theatre production from building sets including hands on skills like welding to creative presentation of ideas. The skills are useful whether a person works in the field after graduating but also highly applicable to other fields. I also don’t think it’s a bad idea to expand your mind into areas you wouldn’t normally on your own in those crucial years of development. The idea that we could cram it into high school or that people are going to spontaneously seek knowledge is a bit far fetched imo. Again I’m not for college for all and agree that there are valuable paths to take without college but there are many benefits in addition to the few I mentioned that shouldn’t be ignored.
It’s not always about your performance on the job or skills if you are involved in the trades, it’s how you perform in society, and can you think critically, and know when you’re being bullshitted by some NYC con artist making as a politician!
I'd say that the biggest issue is that parents have been forcing their kids to attend college. I'm nearly 40 and I didn't really have a choice about college. My parents were cementing a down payment as soon as possible. Luckily, I wanted to go to college and it all worked out, but dating back to the 90's, parents started creating this college mandate. And I understand why.... they were much better off financially than their parents and they wanted their kids to automatically have a spot reserved at the top of the job market.
But I remember seeing a lot of friends and classmates get pushed off to college and it was basically just burning money. It's not about discouraging college, it's about not making it a mandate. Because eventually, more jobs will require a degree for no real reason, which eliminates candidates that could be more qualified but lack that piece of paper. And nowadays, a 4 year bachelors degree is not all that valuable... now, they need a masters degree.
Yes, and why isn't community college and two-year degrees ever mentioned in these arguments against college? Not to mention the fact that a lot of jobs DO require college still, and you can't learn them on RUclips! A lot of college students are studying to be teachers, engineers, accountants, etc. These aren't useless studies at all!
I don't think liberals arts should be a standalone degree. Philosophy, theatre, music, etc. classes are important, but those can easily be incorporated into a regular curriculum where a student will actually probably get more use out of it than only taking arts classes. Being exposed to the arts is important, but it is really something that can be studied and learned on its own (like every philosopher in history did, for example).
@@mlejeune9 I concur. I think such courses are important for expanding the human being, but having a degree like "liberal arts" gives you no purpose, UNLESS you want to go on to grad school and study something more specific.
Excellent guests. Smart and funny. Please invite them back.
No more abrasive lunatics like Russell Brand.
It was Real time with Russell Brand he took over the show ....
The guy on the right made me think of Gabe from The Office until he spoke.
Myopic to say not to go to college when the economy is designed to crush the worker.
Are you saying high student debt is conducive to workers?
Exactly... going to college or not to go to college is a bigger discussion than this simplistic view.
@@notme2day laboring students with debt just to get an education and have a better outcome is monstrous. Student debt should be forgiven, and third level education should be free.
@@kevinmurphy5249 I agree that higher education should be free or at the very least cost effective ... unfortunately this is America.
I agree more John. If schools did a better, eclectic job teaching k-12 it would negate the need for a college education save for career fields where it is a essential.
Not a great show, but watching John McWhorter speak is one of the biggest pleasures in my life, so...
Austin Texas was probably the best city on earth about 40 years ago. Now I don't even want to visit anymore.
SVB: the FDIC should have stuck with the $250k insurance limit on each account, and then clawed back the bonuses paid out to distribute among depositors.
I have many family members in Portland these guys are exaggerating. They feel perfectly safe there.
Finally a show where your panel guests aren't yelling at one another. Just kidding, really. Well no.
Equity is a way of addressing the unfair distribution of chances at birth among ppl of equal rights but with varying opportunities
McWhorter's pitch for people to have a GED is absolutely a neoliberal concept of indenturing workers into loveless and skilless labor for the state.
The thing about "school for the arts", is that all too often those graduates form a tight knit community that understands how to play the "art" game of getting in the gallery, getting grants, getting your work in front of the right critic, who is usually another graduate of the system - to the point where art has very little to do with art and more to do with who you know. Art school teaches one how to play the game more than how to actually make art.
John McWhorter is my hero. He is liberal and practical, which is awesome, and he is a linguist, which means that his mind works in a different way (think: Noam Chomsky), and he has a great sense of humor.
More and more Bill sounds like an old man angry at the sky.
Gain of function is one of the pillars of all microorganism/virus research. Mutations are induced in nature, and not just in the lab.
Russell really done you over.
Elon's trying to provide housing in space - commuting included 🧑🚀🚀
Gave Portland a tough jab. But meh, I can't disagree when my bus stop everyday was 5th and Flanders
I swear that some people just want to have the loudest laugh in the room, doesn't matter if the joke is funny. (ie. The pencil joke) 6:00
Talk about community college for once
Im a front end developer, Ive literally learned everything from RUclips (and a few other online resources). NO UNIVERSITY at all.
That was a quick comeback.. YT! ... lol And he's right. A lot of people watch old TV now because new TV is crap and doesn't have the substance of older TV and entertainment.
Hey Bill.. I live, thrive and love Portland... I am from Michigan... red/purple state? Get the facts before editorializing...
Tyrangiel got a couple things wrong here. Silicon Valley Bank is integral to the startup community and the Bay Area. The bank run was caused by Peter Thiel a thoroughly repugnant person.
Oh... there are Walmarts, Targets, etc right in the middle of Philly neighborhoods. I'm about 20 minutes outside of the city and there all of the time. If Portland can't support them because of rampant crime, they need to do something about the crime, not throw their hands up.
Saying you guys are forgetting to ask yourselves about crime in Portland and New York is why are people stealing shaving cream?
I was in Portland for an advising conference just a couple of months ago it all depends on where you go
What nonsense. I live just outside of Portland currently, but grew up there. Yes, we have problems with the homeless, but so do all other west coast cities. Walmart is closing because they have competition with Costco, Amazon and Fred Meyers. I've yet to walk into any of these stores and find locked cases .
Sounds great, Sina....I hope you go far with your talent and obvious dedication........may I suggest seeking out the work of the great studio session drummers of the 70's like Steve Gadd, Jim Gordon and Jeff Porcaro. ........cheers!
The hypocrisy is breathtaking. John McWhorter: Simon's Rock College (AA), Rutgers University (BA), New York University (MA), Stanford University (PhD); Josh Tyrangiel: University of Pennsylvania (B.A.), Yale University (M.A.); Bill Maher: Cornell University (BA).
45 Years Ago, I Said College Education Was A Waste Of Money l
It's Not What You know? It's Who You Blow !!!
Bill have armed trained security in Portland in a big way!!! If it can be screwed up Portland , Portland's got that perfected!!!!
I love John, but his comments on the end about crime in Portland completely disregard the fact that they're actively NOT prosecuting certain crimes. Period. They've come out and said it, criminals know they can do certain things with impunity and they do. It's a direct result of an insane ideology with political and judicial power.
A lot of employers would prefer people with experience over a uni or college degree, mining, Industry etc🧐
There was a lab studying the Covid virus for several years. When the virus broke out, what benefit did we get from the lab that was studying the virus? Seemed like there was no benefit whatsoever, so what’s the argument for gain of function research?
The Portland Walmarts: I live near Portland and the local news did some research on this issue and talked to the local Walmart management. They are NOT closing the store due to rampant theft and they have no idea how that rumor started. They are closing them because they are not profitable enough.
There is more to the Walmart story. If customers don't put items on the counter employees say nothing, and they've told me so.
What’s with the crack on Lehigh Valley?!😅
Agree with there is too much college, but not with any person who uses the word "coder", nobody in the industry uses that term. A CS degree doesn't teach you the latest and greatest things, it more teaches the thought patterns that you would need in order to adapt and be successful since tech changes so often. The "what" doesn't change, just the "how" or implementation of it. Studying CSS is definitely not the way.
You know this guy knows nothing about college today when he says “pretending to like Shakespeare.” Shakespeare is hardly taught in college today. I’m an English prof, btw. The entire enterprise of higher education is already bent to its breaking point toward “get-a-job-ism.” At some point, it needs to be reaffirmed that education is a highly valuable end in and of itself.
Schools for the arts are called a conservatory. It helps students become concert violinists and join citys philharmonics.
I think a performing arts Conservatory would be considered more of a trade school than a traditional college. I enrolled in a traditional College in a BA theater program. But I dropped out after 1 year and went into a professional Conservatory, and graduated with a conservatory certificate after 2 years, and I feel like that education was a lot more helpful to me than getting a college degree.
My God, if Portland is bad theses guys should spend some time in Rio de Janeiro (where I live) and see how you can have businesses like wal-mart all around the place
The difference being nuclear is super useful.
its not, its terrible just like coal, france has basically only nuclear and is in deep energy crisis since 4 years because 90% dont work.
you have to get the ressources from africa, it takes years, then there is the waste.
nad they really dont produce much energy at all, and first and foremost energy production is extremely easy, everywhere. the problem is always bein too much energy.
nuclear is not super useful
As an artist myself, you can gain a lot from teachers.
Just the expression on John's face, the way he looks at people, THAT has already elected Trump in 2024
61. Huge Carson fan.
It’s good to see these 3 give the topic of gain of function research a short half hearted concern. It’s obvious how CNN wants us to perceive the activities of the corporations that own our government. Steady as she goes..
I am a web developer in the Boston market. All you need is a Associates Degree and a love of RUclips coding videos and you'll be a programming rockstar.
Stay in school, kids.
It was not a "small" bank. It was the 20th biggest in the country and the 2nd biggest bank failure ever the last I read.
Babe, we have like a hundred Walmarts inside the city of Philadelphia.
And as a comment to the trust and help comment. I'll say the same thing I told my family. You have done nothing, to build/garner trust. And massive efforts in the opposite direction. So you have a lot, to do.
I went to an "Art" school . It was actually a trade school to learn applications to use in web design and graphic design in general. By the time I graduated, 90% of what they taught us was obsolete already. They had unqualified teachers teaching complicated applications like Adobe Illustrator. They hired a guy who had never used a computer. He was an illustrator for history books. He could draw very well. But he couldn't operate the application AT ALL. And I owe something like $50,000 for that shite. So trade schools are just as bad as colleges. Sometimes worse.
I guess it depends on what you chose to pursue. If you want to be a mechanic, maybe trade schools are the best way to go about it....Although I think if you could get a position where you learn on the job , it might work out better
Ah! SO much better with John McWhorter than Russell Brand.
Not American but before I finished High School I couldn't think of a career I would want that would've justified staying at school for longer out of my own pocket.
While it‘s true that not all people can qualify for a 4-year + education, most can get into a 2-year college and get More education in better understanding about the world we live in! Without advanced education of doctors, nurses, physicists, we would have no healing of diseases, surgery, etc!!!😠
Love Karnak!! 😂
Excellent episode this week, especially compared to last week with that bloviating clown Russell Brand. Though they need to ban that woman that was a cackling hyena from the audience.
There ought to be a standardized degree plan that consists of nothing more than an exam that lasts perhaps a month. You need to demonstrate deep knowledge and insight in your chosen field of study and a good knowledge in everything else. The test is all oral examination by conversation (or demonstration of knowledge for harder sciences) with a single professor in that subject that lasts a few hours. You do this twice a day for 4 weeks Monday through Friday.
So 40 different conversations are had and at the end of each a grade is given by the examiner. A passing grade will yield a degree. A failing grade will yield a disappointed applicant.
No other academic credentials are necessary. No high school diploma or letters of recommendation or any of that. Anyone can apply at any time and after paying a fee they will have their examination month scheduled.
I always like McWhorter.
Good. Maybe locally owned stores will take the place of Walmart. We have too many of those anyway.
That’s fine if you’re not trying to buy groceries for a family of six otherwise it’s pretty expensive
@@USAFreedom4Ever there's Aldi's. Where I live they are at least. I know everything is super expensive these days.
Love John McWhorter as a panelist! He is great on your show! Hope to see more of him.
Stop telling the students to not go to college and start telling the corporations that employees typically don't need college to be successful in your company.
Yes... thank you! If employers don't lower their requirements, how can people get jobs without the degree.
@@kathydb613 Yup. For example, neither of my kids actually finished college, both of them are now knocking it out of the park in their fields. One kid is making about 3X what I make and the other is making just under 4X what I make and I'm not exactly making minimum wage. They were given the chance and both are doing better than most in their companies. Both are now directors where they are. Education doesn't always translate to intelligence as we're seeing every day in politics. Sometimes people just need a chance and maybe we need to figure out a better way of judging how you determine if someone should get a chance. Degrees don't tell you nearly enough of what you need to know about the potential employee.
I remember my wife telling me about one of her workers bragging about his mba every time he was called to the carpet for making screw-ups. It always went the same way, you screwed up and put the company in jeopardy, he brings up his mba, she'd have to remind him that his peers without mba's aren't screwing up and his clients don't care about his mba and neither did she. What she cared about were results and no screw ups. Long story short, he got the message after repeated warnings, resigned and everyone in his department sighed with relief. My wife puts very little weight on post secondary education because she's seen that some of her best workers over the years only had a high school education and are now doing better than she is. She hires people on contract for whatever amount of time when there's an opening, if they work out, she offers full time, if it doesn't, when the contract expires, she lets them go, no hard feelings as they were never hired full time to begin with.
jobs need to stop requiring 10-20 years of experience for entry level jobs
If students stop going to college employers will lower their demands for employment. That's a given and it's already happening.
With a note from this vid..a better education quality in high school
That lady in the background is having the time of her life
Omg! The entire show I kept thinking "who brought in that sqeaky dog toy?"!
just said the same thing but guess i'll delete it since you beat me to it lol
This is a prime example of the old saying, "Don't drunk and do Bill!"
@Real Cash Tok I'd rather be a Laughter Therapist 😃
I found myself muting the TV after many jokes. She was a nightmare.
In their discussion of college, they failed to mention TRADE SCHOOLS. Those still exist, and for the right people can often be the perfect fit to place them in a productive career path, often in a short time. More high schoolers need exposure to trade skills and we need Shop Classes and Secretarial Courses brought back to junior high school.
John McWhorter mentioned many children should go to trade schools after high school. Listen again.
Yes indeed
They've mentioned trade schools many times in the past, particularly when Bernie was on a couple of weeks ago. He specifically included trade skills in his proposal of free college educations, etc.
Trade schools are typically part of community colleges. People tend to forget that.
Shop and Home Economics should never have been removed.
Hands down, John McWhorter is one of my favorite intellectuals.
Dude who cares you're getting blamed for supporting the people who launched it
@kuru K I don't care if God's launching missiles. I'm in the black hills and I know where a cave is that hides under 500 ft of granite. The old days are back baby
Working 16 hour days for Elon does not sound like utopian to me .
I wouldn’t trust working for him and living in a house he built. I’d feel that the walls would have ears.
Or being forced to bunk at work.
@@LlyleHunter wow, how misinforemed are you, thats astonishing
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl who WOULD want to work for an Aparteid Nepo baby?
You would rather work for bill gates. We know
wow the lady laughing screechinly was having the best time!!!
She is a plant I call her the Hyena. There is a guy every week who whoops all the time, I believe the Hyena and the guy are hired. Maher has said he now keeps a smaller more enthusiastic audience and has eliminated what he called "the moaners". He has in a way "cancelled' a segment of his audience which is an issue he whines about (cancelling) all the time. Bill has become somewhat of a hypocrite.
🤣🤣🤣
It was Kamala Harris ….
@Real Cash Tok more likely she's an intern.
You mean the plant?
John McWhorter has great chemistry with Bill and makes this a joy to watch.
you can tell they like each other
Seems like a cool guy.
Better than that asshole Thomas Sowell.
Smart guys.
One of the best guests I've seen in a while. Calm, collected, succinct. And lowkey funny af.
Expanding access to advanced classes in high school, as well as trades, especially in low-income schools, particularly rural schools, would really help.
My son received culinary and hospitality education in high school. He graduated with a certificate and immediately worked on the line in fine dining. He’s now a professional bread baker for a high end grocer, as well as apprenticing as a mushroom farmer. High school is where we need more on offer.
Agree. I still believe in higher edu and what it’s originally about. I benefited immensely from my experience and degree. I do realize not every HS graduate needs to go or will get the same from it. I’m intellectually curious, most people are not and nothing wrong with either way. The diversity of personalities in our species made us very successful.
I like how many of these jobs that require a college education that you can really just teach these kids on the job right out of high school,
@@tedr4526 “child labor laws are ruining this country.”
@@bizonc me too and it’s there for us. I hold two degrees, with a now non-practicing medical license, as well as a biz license unrelated to my degree fields. I keep learning because I passionately want to. My sons both tried college and didn’t enjoy it as I do. They’re both extremely successful in their culinary professions. High school has, in recent years, been treated as preparatory for college; That’s the mistake. It’s should be about the business of creating whole, well-rounded, and capable CITIZENS. $.02
Jim Jones had an idea of Utopia once....
Didn't David Kirish (?) have that same idea?
Run if he makes The Kool Aid
Yeah this is such a crock of shit. They are building a new town for employees for Space X Tesla Boring Company, not a utopia. It's not Disneyland or an experimental commune or anything like that. It's just a town, people are just being hyperbolic coz it's MUSK and he is the baddie in their book. Sensationalism.
I heard his kool-aid drinks are to die for..
The problem is...everyone's idea of Utopia is different.
Damn, I really wish David Byrne stayed for Overtime.
Why?
I was like, yeah, but I'm sure David had better things to do. I guess he probably doesn't smoke pot though, because he definitely would've been hanging around otherwise.
Naw...he seemed have some trouble articulating his way during that interview. Past his prime, for sure!
In the US, college is a racket. Unless your goal is something that requires a high degree such as doctor, lawyer, etc. Just learn the job you want to do and DO it. My generation got suckered into believing you can’t get any job without a college degree, and for a while it was true. In the early 2000s I was an office manager and to hire for a receptionist job, for $9 an hour they wanted at minimum, an associates degree. Like, they won’t let you answer their phones until you go at least $10,000 in debt. It’s BS.
I really hope businesses aren’t requiring college degrees for menial, mindless work anymore.
Yes. I remember always seeing this and thinking it too. Capitalism is the new form of slavery.
@@jimbaker5110If you think capitalism is the new form of slavery, wait until you try communism.
Unless you are going into major sciences or something like law where it takes a decade to learn everything, 1-2 yr secondary schools for business, technology, specialized labor, mechanics, plumbing, electrical, carpentry, etc, should be readily available. Vocational high schools and 1-2 yr secondary programs are fantastic. They have been defended and faced out all over the County. They need to be reinforced and promoted and employers, even high tech, should be supporting them. They used to be tge backbone of the middle class and need to be again.
It was the Democrats that shipped the blue collar jobs overseas. I'll always remember that.
@@basicstickfigure1087 Manufacturing is only one of MANY types of blue collar jobs. So your statement is only partially correct. And recently….we are doing the opposite of Globalization….so many of those manufactured jobs are starting to come back
Love McWhorter. Love the guy. Had to see him with Bill. He's great on Glenn Lowry's pod cast too.
Intelligent, intellectual, common sense and rational, all in the same person is refreshing.
Same
Thanks to really poor higher education leadership and regency boards, universities have little to do with education and learning, and more about "come stay with us for 4 years for THE EXPERIENCE!" College campuses have become these very expensive sports/amusement park-like businesses where young people enjoy greek life, sporting events, partying, and getting away from parents, but have major anxiety when it comes to their studies and are triggered by anything and everything discussed in the classroom. Colleges today are crafting alumni (ie tribes) to solicit money from for generations. It's about 1/8 learning and preparing for a profession, and about 7/8 all the other stuff.
Exactly! And that the first year and a half of classes in the 4 year universities are the 100 level prerequisite courses that are just a repeat of high school. I remember my freshman year, and it was just ridiculous. My speech class was no different whatsoever from high school. I was in calculus in high school but had to take some basic math course in college because "it was a requirement for all students". It was a complete waste of time and money.
The experienced was a good thing until CRT ideology took over educational culture.
@@jeffs6090 well yhen I'm sure you're in favor of paying appropriate taxes so K-12 education is improved and meaningful. But somehow these anti-college folks are never for that.
@@jeffs6090 The gen ed classes and even some specific major classes pays for grad students and grad faculty. The undergrad level has a plethora of general classes that everyone takes and you can only do so in a section of 500 students, and 1 faculty teaching it, so the Master's and PhD level classes can have 3-5 students, and that same 1 faculty teaching. The undergrad level covers the expenses of the grad levels. For awhile undergrad majors kept increasing in required credits (so universities could make more money), but students got tired of going 5-6 years and paying for 135 credits for 1 degree. So most scaled back to 120-124 credits for an undergrad degree. But then universities started offering minors. For an extra 18-20 credits you can complete a major and a minor!!! Universities are for profit businesses with not-for-profit tax status. They are just as savvy at making a buck as corporations are. It's a neoliberal mindset, which believes anything and everything can be commoditized and sold.
Exactly. When I started out as a professor in the 1980s, most of the faculty in universities where I conducted research and taught were tenured, full-time professors. Today, qualified academics and scholars are in the minority. It's becoming the all-administrative university where, as you say, the majority of admin staff are selling "experiential" programs. Where you pay to sign up for a summer on the French Riviera and the only required reading is the Guide Book. It's worse in some of the social sciences--where the majority of part-time adjunct faculty come up with a gimmick like a sociology program in Crime Scene Investigation--and the only disciplines CSI tend to hire from are predominantly Chemistry and Psychology.
This episode brought out more smiles and laughter from John McWhorter, and what an infectious smile he has :)
one of the best guests Maher ever has.
The dude is a national treasure!
Love McWhorter. He's great on Glenn lowry's pod cast. Recommend the time when Lowry goes off about Ibram X Kendi and John McWhorter can't stop laughing. When McWhorter laughs the world smiles. Plus Lowry is priceless on Kendi, lol.
Also love, love John McWhorter. I noticed his smile too😊
completely agree
nuclear is actually quite safe compared to other forms of energy production
seems counter intuitive, but its just more dramatic so stands out in our minds
like air travel vs car
Was looking for a comment about this. Nuclear is the most effective and carbon clean energy source we have right now. While gain of function research its debated if it has any benefits at all.
and the comparison with gain of function research is even more apt when you understand exactly how safe nuclear is, these things are used like a bogeyman to scare people into being illogical and Bill is falling for it big time 😕