US Army Combat Veteran Reacts to Necrons and Tau! (Every single Warhammer 40k Faction by Bricky)
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- The Necron and Tau are two of the most advanced factions in the Warhammer 40,000 Universe, but they could not be more different! Lets break them down with Bricky!
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Your comments on the tau are spot on. They got a very arrogant view of their empire and never take well to defeat or any kind of dissent. They are tolerant of differences but the moment you oppose them they get upset. Also the necrons evolved on a planet whose star gradually grew more radioactive and made their planet a living hell. They lived short lives and developed a culture driven by ancestors worship and a desire to earn a high position in their afterlife through achievement. Personally I really love the orks and necrons. Just such interesting groups.
They also don't like people having and using skills outside their assigned mold.
same Necrons and Orks are best
the way he described the Tau after a bit, reminded me of Americans in a way.
And the other species are treated as second class citizens, being sacrificed to ensure the rescue maximun of tau lives, or forced to do heavy work under the idea of prrogress.
@@rakdosorthvet5031 They took some lessons from the eldar, huh.
One thing Bricky didn't mention, before the War in Heaven, the Warp was a relatively tranquil and nice place. But slaughter and genocide on galactic scale pretty much created the first chaos gods. So... everything is the Necrons fault.
In a way, yes.
Old fools fault. If they've simply helped out, none of that would have happened.
@@TurKlack Considering the Necrons instantly started an all out war, I guess the old ones had a valid reason not to give them their tech. Its a very popular thought experiment in SciFi, where an advanced species gives a primitive one tech and they usually kill themselves in nuclear armageddon. But if they hold out, prevent the chance of some idiot killing eveyone with something they do not understand, they get painted as the bad guys.
Well, look what happend here. Ctan gave them stuff, they had no clue what it was, got turned into immortal terminators and caused galactic genocide. And then the Ctan got f*ed because they gave the Necrons too much stuff.
@@TurKlackindeed, but immortality wouldn't have solved their problem. genetic damage on the level they suffered needed to be cured first, or they'd be immortal AND suffering.
It's quite possible the old ones rejected that as well though.
@@TurKlack It didn't help the Old Ones spammed shit like Aeldari, w/ HUUUUUUGE Warp Presence on their Souls, by the TRILLIONS over the time, which would have a huge af effect on the state of the Plane of Souls, since Aeldari are like Humans but all emotions last longer & are 100x or w/e more intense.
Nature's definition of thrive is "you survived long enough to reproduce." That's literally it. If you only live a single day, but that's enough for you to have kids you're a winner as far as nature is concerned.
That is a good point, I guess if you reproduce like rabbits, you can be pretty sickly and still 'win' natural selection
I think it was Mayflies that literally unevolved their feeding apparatus in the adult form.
@@cosmiclive4437 Several species of moths as well.
Fun fact: within the Tau Empire it is considered FORBIDDEN to know let alone practice the skill sets of multiple castes, Commander Farsight is the most infamously known for this as he is known as being a charismatic officer, which is a known trait for the Water Caste, he has the technical experience with battlesuits which is something normally reserved for the Earth Caste (there actually is a passage in the Blades of Damocles novel where Farsight takes a direct hit from a power fist and is knocked into a water reservoir and he manages to perform a quick field repair to get his battlesuit running before he drowns) He also is able pilot his suit in the air for extended periods of time like an aircraft, which is normally reserved for the Air Caste.
I have *got* to get the Farsight books. The more I hear, the more awesome he sounds.
Break the Dawn, Commander Farsight, Break the Dawn.
@@CommissarChaotic oh I will
Fun fact: Tau in the Farsight Enclaves are allowed to perform the jobs of castes that aren’t their own.
@@Sollapoke I *like* the Farsight Enclaves!
2:00 this is more complex, evolution theory doesn't say your society is going to become radiactive immune if your enviorenment was radioactive, but that you may develop tools to deal with it. Chernobyl is a good example of the Necrontyr case, animals are "thriving" in Chernobyl, but they are still plagued with genetic problems and a short life spam, evolution is not going to make them immune, but will give them tools so future generations can become mature quickly and reproduce quickly.
The Chernobyl case would be analogus to the Necrontyr home becoming radioactive after the Necrontyr evolved, though, since none of the species around Chernobyl evolved in the context of that high Gray amount.
@@MalloonTarka true, i guess its a faulty analogy for my point which is that a radioactive enviorenment can still affect them even if they can grow, mature and reproduce in it.
As long as you can survive post-puberty, "evolution" ain't gonna give a fuck, rly.
@@skebaba918 That's just not right. The longer you're fertile, the more chance at reproduction you get. If you're a social species even members that won't reproduce or have already reproduced can increase the fitness of their relatives and thus their gene pool.
@@MalloonTarka Sure, but as long as they can survive post-puberty and thus reproduce, evolution ain't gonna do shit if the offspring can manage to not get wiped out before they can reproduce, no?
If I remember correctly, there was a certain xeno race that doesn't exist that was approved by the Tau and they declined the greater good rather peacefully. The Tau left but there was certain things that happened like viruses and plagues and genetic diseases that wiped most to all of that race. The going idea is that because the Tau ethereals may have orchestrated covert genocides so they can gain access to that planet and it's resources
That or they would received the honour to provided on-site experience for Fire warriors.
"Occasionally a species will prove belligerent enough to resist the generous offers of the Tau. In such cases, the Fire caste, launches a series of rapid strikes against the command and communication infrastructure of the troublesome race, which is normally enough to drag them back to the negotiation table and help them see the light. Sadly, there are occasions when even this inducement is not enough and against such threats to the Greater Good there can be no answer but complete destruction."
Do you remember the source?
@@xenoblad the best place I can say that I learned more from was 40k theories.
Could it be that you mean the poctroon. The first sentient race the Tau encounterd. They joined the greater good but than they died of for a unknown reason. So the the Tau could use the planet for them self and they created the bork'an Sept.
@@nicoaicher7864 thaaaaaat might be them, I'm more hazy on Tau lore.
Bricky did the tau a bit dirty, because every faction has their own 'feel', and the fact they are more grey than he makes them out to be, E.I the tau have re-education camps, the Ethereals use mind-control, sterilization, etc. They also have another alien species working with them, E,I the Kroot, Vespid, and humans that willingly joined the tau-empire due to the imperium REALLY fucking sucks, and the humans are called 'Gue'vesa', ok well not WILLINGLY but most of them are descendants of people who had the choice of facing execution, or joining the Tau empire.
@LittleDrowskie But like, he makes them out to be uh, more non-grey then they actually are, and that 'they don't fit because of the way they look', which I mean, EVERY faction has their own look, the Eldar, the Orks, Chaos, etc.
@@jacktobias6513 I mean personally I think he did the Harlequins waaaay more injustice. They actually are a very interesting faction that perceive and do things no other eldar factions does, and Bricky just reduces em to clowns and nothing else.
@@clanmclaren6647 I agree completely.
Yeah, I like how tau have gotten a bit darker in the lore and whatnot. Sort of like growing up a bit; they were that naive little race that didn’t know about the horror of the warp and now they have a whole sphere of expansion that has been traumatized to the point of committing wholesale massacres of non tau species on worlds they take over.
I do feel however that the sterilization point has been played to much on; the only real reference I can find to it is in DoW: Dark Crusade. Other than that, definite re-education camps, mass deportation, and the ethereals totally have some sort of mind control going on! Heck, one of the points in the codex said that a tau commander refused to follow orders and joined the Enclaves after her accompanying Ethereals were killed!
@@lordvalandil1672 Fair point about the Sterilization.
T'au fit fine because of their differences. They *can* be horrific, but not Inquisition levels of horrific. Farsight has the Dawn Blade which literally steals life from his enemies and gives it to him, making him live an abnormally long time even though he doesn't know why. Farsight Enclaves are also about paranoia of other races and their psychic abilities pulling in the warp and demons- T'au don't have psychers or much presence in the warp at all. So the Farsight Enclaves are a purist sect. T'au have advanced AI that... has not yet rebelled. T'au are kind of like what you think humans might have been during the Golden Age of Technology before their fall. You want to warn them of what happened to other races in that position, but they do not understand.
"T'au have advanced AI that... has not yet rebelled." I like the implication that it's just going to happen _at_ _some_ _point._ lol
Well there was that time they where feeding their own people to genestealers and worked with the Dark Angels to kill off their own human populations, so they are learning well from the Inquisition.
I remember an D.A.T. ai on a mechanicus ship was talking to them and it was telling them how far they had fallen and how it was even MORE disgusted with what humanity has become. It said something like "And to think I used to call your kind Master."
Idk much the tau lore, but I have the generals, and I think that actually I fall in the mj vision of the tau, that "they are the odds one out by being the more realistic rappresentation of a star espanding empire" and I love that
Thank you sir
The C'tan initially weren´t in conflict with the old ones. The C'tan werent even a real race, they were energy beings. Think of them like giant semi sentient energy clouds that feed on stars. The Necrons discovered them and then forced their energy into living metal to give them form. With this changed form, their perspectives also changed and they became the C'tan. Also Bricky didn´t go into it, but the war in heaven was so much more cataclysmic than anything the 41 millennia has to offer regarding war. After all the Necrons were and still are the most technologically advanced race and the old ones were too. Stars were used as flaming torches you toss around. Entire star systems were swallowed by black holes created by a C'tan flicking its finger. The Necrons even have a thing called Celestial Orrery that projects a web of holograms and necrodermis that represents every star in the galaxy, but its representation of the galaxy is not just a model, because the Orrery is directly connected to the galaxy it represents in some unknown way. For instance, altering the Orrery's image will also physically change that same region of the galaxy in the same way.
The Orrery can be used to predict the strategic flow of coming events, or even alter them outright. The reason the Necrons don´t use it all the time is because even a small change can toss the galaxy out of balance and it takes ages to recalibrate everything.
That is old lore, new lore iirc, if they they tricked the necrons into giving them bodies and the necrons themselves new bodies.
But I could be wrong.
@@jacktobias6513 The original commenter is correct. The C'tan were just semi sentient being of energy that feeds on the energy of stars. The Necrontyr put them in metal bodies with advanced AIs to give them full sentience. Of course this led down the path of them tricking the Necrontyr into turning themselves into the Necrons we know today.
Correct. The War of Heaven is a massive story. Now, Bricky had said that his video was just a surface explanation of 40k factions. It took many of us years, maybe decades to really understand the 40k universe. Not including Warhammer Fantasy. Even now, Warhammer veterans are learning new lore. So those who just use videos like Bricky’s is getting only a small fraction of what they should be learning.
My biggest problem with Tau is that they are such a little threat to anybody that they are not a galactic power. In their first sphere of expansion they conquerd 8systems. In 1400 years. The next sphere 1600 years and they conquerd like 8 systems. Tau didn't even have faster than light travel until recently. So their "empire" consists of at most 20-30 worlds. Conquerd in roughly 3000 years. Yes later spheres had a little bit more successful but it always ended with the imperium showing up and beating them to ground. The imperium just didn't make the killing blow because there were more important things to be addressed. So the only reason the Tau empire still exists because they are such a little threat to the imperium
I never realized their 'empire' was so small
Its actually around 100, but yeah.
I wish (if it actually made sense and was good) we’d get a novel in wich the Tau BECOME a threat. Like, there’s a crusade against them but when the Imperium shows up the Tau Are revealed to have been working on some Dark Age level tech or something. Like, have them have war machines more powerful than Emperor Titans and like 5 a planet. So their empire is small, but if they wanted to, they could just start conquering shit everywhere. Or something similar to that, something that makes them an actual factor.
@@requiemlul3140 that would kind of defeat their entire point of being a galactic power by being more insidious and strategic than everyone else. TAU expands slowly and methodically and maintain an absolute iron fist on their population's ability to think and what they should believe, even more than the imperium. They don't deal with human controlled planets by ripping them to shreds or infiltrating them with sleeper cults, they use an extremely deliberate and extremely well crafted strategy of subterfuge and image manipulation to take over entire worlds without the wider imperium being even aware of it.
Their first move isn't to orbital strike the strongholds, but capture loyalty of the planet's elite. Sure, the common citizen would never allow perfidious Xenos to interact with them, but the governors? Well they are nobles and politicians! They are far more pragmatic. Enough gifts and benefits will allow you limited economic and social acess to the planet where you can then slowly, over the course of generations, subvert the entire planet without firing a shot.
And the best part is that the imperium is none the wiser. The planet is but a footnote amongst so many, and it's fall is spread over dozen of years. And it isn't a choice either because during their early expansion they were far less strategic about it and ended up catching the attention of the imperium.
If you suddenly gave unreasonable technological power to the Tau and had them blindly assault nearby systems in the direct invasion style way, not only would you negate one of their primary empire traits, but also destroy the veil of ignorance that is preventing the imperium form massing another crusade. And this time there may not be nids to make them back off.
@@mobiuscoreindustries
They don’t have to actually get violent. They could manipulate said crusade force (or what is left) to blame it on incompetent leadership etc, then make them infiltrate the Imperium.
@@requiemlul3140 yeah but the entire appeal of the Tau is them being technologically advanced, but not god-like similar to the necrons, which means they have to fight smart. It's also why they genuinely lose their shit when something as insignificant as a splinter group like farsight emerges because that is how close their margins are.
They face many threats which they know they will have a hard time dealing with, including but not limited to:
- the present danger of a major Tyranid fleet showing up on their lawn
- not quelling a whaaagg fast enough
- a potential Civil War if your information and thought control system falters for a moment if people realize etherials are a bit of a useless dead weight.
- a big chaos fuckery moment that you aren't really built to deal with.
- just poking the Imperium too hard, or even having the imperium send a force to deal with something else and you just happen to be in the way.
space elves and necrons are likely just going to be a passing annoyance unless you have something they really want. for the rest just one of them is a life threatening endeavour and two would be a death sentence just because you literally don't have the backup or flexibility to engage that much especially protecting your outer systems. The core words are going to be a BITCH to crack because of how well fortified they are, but any fortress can be broken by just blockading or bombing it hard enough which most actors appart from the Orks can do, while the nids would not even care.
Bricky actually has a podcast where he covers specific parts of the lore and has started doing a few bookclub recordings whith his first being the infinite and the divine
There was a Ctan eating the Necron home star, making it release huge amounts of radiation. This basically destroyed the Necron genome, giving them short, agonizing lives, prompting them to seek immortality.
Yip the deceiver, it’s how they made contact with it when they tried to work out what was causing issues with their sun.
@@Docktavion Wasn't it the Nightbringer they first contacted? Or was he the first who gained physical form?
@@LordSerion nightbringer was the one eating the sun and deceiver who first spoke and gained a body if i remember.
15:45 in terms of galactic impact, the awakening of the necrons is very very important. The reason is simple: raw numbers. The necrons were a galaxy spanning empire, with that number of bodies that fight for it. Each single warrior is dangerous enough to fight a space marine, and armed with weapons that can kill them with not too much effort. Once an orc warboss opened the powerchamber of a Doomsday Arc, and it blew up a planet. That's the powercore for a single tank. It’s staggering how dangerous that is.
The only thing that has not caused the status quo to go tits up is the process started on s single world, thanks admech, and has slowly spread. With the return of the silent king, yes he is back, it’s expected entire systems are going to start waking up.
I was in Teotihuacan and the moment I realize that nobody knows who built the pyramids really struck me. So imagine what the Aztecas felt when they found or reach to that area with those pyramids already in place.
The Ciaphas Cain series. Or Gaunts Ghosts
I love those books I have em on audible
The Last Church
Ciaphas for sure.
Eisenhorn books are also fucking great
@@Leipotska just finish Pariah this morning.
The Infinite and the Divine is pretty authoritative on Necrons and... well it's a great Odd Couple humor book.
That is a strong endorsement actually
@@CombatVeteranReacts I just finished the book two days ago. Highly recommend it :)
I recommend the Ciaphas Cain and the Gaunt's Ghosts book series, lovely look into how the Imperial Guard works on the inside.
Seconded.
I agree
Ciaphas Cain in particular has a well done audio book version as well, if that's a more convenient format.
The Old Ones were most likely based on Lovecraftian monsters, yes. However, Bricky’s Starcraft analogy is fitting because, as he stated in the Tyranid section, Starcraft was supposed to be a 40K game, but the deal fell through and they put all the different factions in different hats
Again with this myth. StarCraft wasn't developed to be a Warhammer 40K game in the first place. This confusion arose because Warcraft was supposed to be a Warhammer Fantasy game that became its own IP because the deal broke through in the last minute. When StarCraft came out many (especially GW fans) false extrapolated that StarCraft was supposed to be a Warhammer 40K game despite that not being the case at all.
The necrontyr did theoretically breed quickly. So lots of terrible short lives
They lived up to 30 I think.
Yet all that short time drove them to innovate as fast as they could.
@@ODDnanref Trazyn notes that Humans of the Imperium basically "yes they live longer, but only by a small amount", when Orkan whines about how Humans are REEEing about shit, when they (theoretically) have it better than the meatbag Necrontyr had back then. Yet this says a lot about society, when Imperium citizens still only barely have a decade or two longer lifespan than cancer world 3000 Necrontyr had back then, ppre-Necrodermis boogaloo
The interesting piece about the Tau, in my opinion, is that their original iteration was a mirror of Plato’s vision of a Utopia. The concept of different groups of people who had specific jobs within society, all ruled by philosopher kings. It seems like a bit of a cop out by the writers to turn them into just another utilitarian group
To be honest they are contradicting sometimes. They put cannibalistic species who probably WILL eat you on the battlefield if you die yet they are going mad if you say no to them. It's like Tau language doesn't have "No" as a word and this is why they always say yes. And when they hear "no" they think people insulting them.
2:25 It was the planets star that was radiated. We do not know If it was always radio active or not.
But we DO know that even after they left the planet this nature of them weren't left behind. They were still dieing very quickly and still had the pain regardless. So I'm guessing their body DID adapt to it but not in a good way.
It was mentioned in some earlier codex how the Necrontyr's very genetic code had been so damaged that getting painful cancer was permanently encoded into their DNA, even after they had escaped their solar system's radiation.
I HAVE to recommend the Cain books. Very well written, character-driven comedy, in which a Commissar with sever imposter syndrome somehow ends up Hero of the Imperium. He also faces every single one of the major enemies, so you also get a fairly good introduction to the universe if you still need it.
There was a story of a T'au commander that left because she found out her troops were left unsupported to give the counter attack the ability to end the war in less time at the sacrifice of almost her whole Cadre.
Night Lords Omnibus: it’s a really interesting take on characters who are obviously evil, but who have genuine motivations and characters, rather than simply being evil because they are evil. It also shows the lives of the human thralls in the service of Chaos Space Marines in detail, and takes care to humanise them, and show their motivations and lives to a much greater degree than most of the other books.
In regards to how the tau keep control:
The ethereals keep control on varying methods, and it really depends. The T'au as a species seem to be controlled via pheromone excreted by the Ethereals, along with healthy doses of social engineering. As for the sub species;
Kroot: Mercenaries, paid by being allowed to find new DNA types to further evolve, not unlike the Tyranids. (Fun fact, the Tyranids are taboo to eat for the Kroot by their own decision, in worry that they could become like the Tyranids)
Vespids: Controlled by Pheromones. They work by odd bug noises and pheremones, and they all wear a helmet that "translates" the pheremones to the Vespids who *really* get into it.
Humans: Not sure, seems to be purely controlled by social engineering and the fact that it's T'au or the Imperium.
As for the Caste system, in theiry they could switch castes, but they're genetically predisposed to given roles. The Greater Good in regards to the Tau is a mix of everything is for the greater good, but it's in relation to individual happiness. If an Earth Caste *really* wants to be a fire warrior, they can be one, if they're able to prove and convince the Ethereals, Earth Caste leadership, and Fire Caste leadership they'd be better in that role, they can be rerouted there. To them, to achive the greater good, everyone needs to be happy and satisfied in their role. Otherwise, the Greater Good has failed. For example, Emperor Worship is still allowed, you're allowed to worship what you like, excluding something a murder cult or something, because that destroys the Greater Good of others.
There are a few races that have been blacklisted, but they're rare. It's basically just the Orks, Tyranids, and for a time, Humans before they realised it's just Imperium fanatics that are unable to be negotiated with.
i think the humans may also like the Tau vibe a bit more than the Imperium. Tau don't expect their people to just be cannibals as a primary food method (corpse starch in hive worlds) or make dead people into spy tools and speakers (servo skulls - cherubs).
There's more auxiliaries but the commenter covered the main ones.
Also I think a good portion of kroot are in fact part of the tau empire, and not mercs.
@@pringlelingle6827 Aye, there's a bunch of other small ones like the Demiurg, but almost nothing is known about them, nore do they have models.
There is a theory about the Vespid that the helmets have mind control devices.
I am not sure if Caste changing as you said is really a thing. It is possible that the case is simply me not knowing. Especially since the castes have biological differences and marriages/reproduction between castes is forbidden.
As far as i know, GW had the idea of what we now know as the Necrons quite early. They were (obviously) inspired by the Terminator movies and the Borg from Star Trek.
Throw in some Mummy movies and you´re there, but that whole egyptian aspect came only later. First, they wanted a robot army a la Terminator and thus the Man of Iron idea.
Originally they wanted the Man of Iron not completely wiped out and still attacking humans, but that proved unsuccessful so they scrapped it.
Later they revisited the whole idea and after some refinement, the Necrons came to be. At least that´s what i know about it.
If you've know anything about Warhammer fantasy's Tomb Kings . . . Necrons are basically Tomb Kings in space.
@@sirgaz8699 I play the Total War Warhammer games, so yes, i know the Tomb Kings.
But as far as i remember, the Necrons were there BEFORE the Tomb Kings, though i can be wrong on that.
When it comes to the design yeah. There is clearly a gigantic part of that lore which is textbook Lovecraft though.
@@20gdetitane Lovecraft is too good to ignore, i know, i watched Haiyore Nyarko-chan
Necrons originated in the 1st/2nd edition where they were mostly Terminators ("Oldcrons").
They were updated in 5th edition (after being mostly left to rot in the intervening editions) where they took a bunch of inspiration from the Tomb Kings to become Tomb Kings IN SPACE. The lore was changed quite a bit ("Newcrons").
9:35 Not just hystory but also Mythology. These are classic tropes that work every time because they are all something that any homan can relate to and can understand it in a fundamental level.
this from the wiki:
"In times of war, the T'au provide units of Gue'vesa with advanced T'au weaponry such as Pulse Rifles, Pulse Carbines, and other, more specialized T'au equipment. These human troops then serve in the Fire Caste's Auxiliary.
These auxiliaries have become a respected part of the T'au military in the border regions of the T'au Empire, where they fill a tactical niche between the barbaric Kroot and the mainstay of T'au armies, the Fire Warrior teams."
So humanity is definatley kept an arms reach from positions of power based upon what wiki says
IIRC Guilliman's resurrection happened at the start of 8th edition for the tabletop game, which was in June of 2017. Between him, Cawl and the primaris marines they sort of heralded the new edition.
The Dark imperium Tribology is good.
And I think a 40k book club where you discuss now and then a chapter would be fun
28:00 tau actually value all of their planets because of how small they are. They won’t sacrifice a planet unless it is their literal last option to survive. It’s also completely in-true that we are amazing at shooting, we are literally worse than admech as shooting lmao
Fidus Kryptman, on the other hand..
But they will indeed kill civilians ocasionally
So, one of the reasons I like the T'au is that GW gave them some of the most obnoxious wankiest tropes that humans have when it comes to sci-fi. The we're the "Adaptable, ascendant, have no mythical origin, plucky underdog" that one expects humanity to have(Mass effect and Halo being two of the biggest examples) and instead gives that to the T'au. Cue a bunch of people unironically calling the weaboo space communists and hating them for it.
They're an empire and act like one. They have a good propaganda department with the "Greater good" credo, they keep a federation of species fairly well treated in comparison to every other faction, they commit sterilizations of populations that they conquer who they deem too rebellious, I'm sure they even carry out mass deportation campaigns if need be. They actually bother refining their tactics against their enemies and continue the process of advancing technology where almost everyone else is stagnant.
The T'au are different and they certainly filled a niche that Warhammer lacked. That of a faction that's completely unrelated to the warp stuff, how it continues to struggle in navigating a galaxy that's been far more hostile than anticipated and how it attempts to advance itself in spite of it.
Can totally verify the deportation stuff; I think in one of the Damacles Gulf books they moved humans off world to make space for the tau settlers and also to move them away from the frontier so that they don’t slip back into the Imperium. The sterilization less so though; only heard one reference of it at all, and that’s from a video game.
@@lordvalandil1672 to be honest, that specific deportation seems fairly reasonable and smart relative to how literally every other faction would handle things I.e. genocide.
@@lordvalandil1672 I think that's even in the Tau Codex, that they'll move civilian populations of frontier worlds further into Tau territory. You know, "for safety". The thing about the alleged sterilization of the human population on Kaurava is that, in the Dawn of War games, no matter which campaign you play, it's always narrated from the point of view of the Imperium, so the Imperial propaganda machine looked at the decreasing human population and spun it as a genocide.
there is no lore of serializations
"This is a healthy hobby" sir. There's a reason we call it plastic crack
0:49 The Necron came out in the company owned magazine "White Dwarf" in December 97 4 Models Warriors, Scarabs, Destructor and Lord, while they got models and rules from time to time their first codex was released - 5 years later in 3rd edition - The Woken up out of their tombs part has always been there, with the codex came the c'tan, but the old ones were added at a later stage I think.
They were suffering because of the radiation of the sun, so it might be argued that they damaged their atmosphere - UV Rays and the like arent absorbed.
I remember a competition for custom made models, someone hammered a big scarab transportship out of would together, the legs were fastened on a hinge to the body so it could alter height. This quirky image has been burned into my brain.
Apparently another game called Space Crusade from GW, was featuring Chaos Androids that is a Necron Warrior look a like, but then... they were all looking like metal skeletons.
20:00 Tau are describe of having a short lifespan, 30 to 40 years I think, this allegedly lead to focus on collective rather than individual progress, I dont know at what age they are able to reproduce, but if it is somewhat like us - I understand that they want to forge a culture that is safe for their offspring.
Because I do deep dives on everything I learned on the Warhammer Wiki Page that the Imperium is of the opinion that Ethereals are controling the other castes via pheromones.
Since I know that ants are communicating via pheromones I looked up ants and ant colony structure - this lead me to learn that Insects that organize themselves in colonies, living in hives or nests are devided into castes - apparently the Hindu Term has been adopted in biology to describe Insect Colony structure among bees, termites, ants, wasps and more (Apparently Naked Mole Rats are living in castes too, with queen, workers and everything and amazingly they literaly feel no pain).
I like that the concept of tau feels alien to the warhamer 40k universe, when you think about the fact how insects are perceived in the real world - yet tyranids fit right into 40k ^^'
Actually i wanted this to be a waaaay shorter response.
If you'd like a taste of T'au then I would recommend "Blades of Damocles"... it follows one of the first major conflicts between the Imperium and T'au.
There is also "Broken Sword" which is within a collection of 3 other mini novels.
My favorite 40k books were the farsight crisis of faith for the tau, the devastation of Baal for the blood angels, and Ciaphas Cain anthology for the guard.
To be fair majorkill is right about "the infinite and the divine" being really good. The epilogue stinks of GW interference and is pretty shit but the rest of the book is great, surprisingly funny. I'd recommend watching a quick lore video or something about Trazyn first maybe though.
Is it fine literature? Certainly not, but it is essentially a Loony Toons cartoon set in the 40k universe and is a super fun read.
The Necrons first appeared in White Dwarf magazine in the 1990's. Back then it was described as an ancient evil disturbed by Ad Mech explorers (think Curse of the Mummy). It really was just a 40k version of Undead, with maybe three or four unit types.
The Fall of Cadia was after the rise of the Necrons, *timeline wise*. But the return of the Silent King, and the Necrons being a highlight villain, came after Fall of Cadia in terms of product marketing timeline.
Bricky was slightly incorrect about the C'tan being unkillable. Killing them just has SEVERE consequences. The necrons destroyed a C'tan known as the Flayer, and it created what is known as the flayer virus. The virus causes afflicted necrons to go mad, flaying/wearing the skin of others to "regain their flesh."
The thing about giving the Tau atrocities (some of which they already have) is that they're universally things the Imperium *also* does, so the Tau still come off as the lightest shade of black.
Diverting food shipments to a military operation almost certainly happened in lore already, that still leaves them as the nicest factions.
To be fair, the Necrons only had like 80 pages to save Cadia in. That's a tall order, even for a race that has killed Gods. :)
Trazyn almost pulled it off. He needed like what, an hour more and the pylons would've been fully activated.
@@LordSerion Tarzan is indeed a mad lad. If only he had teamed up with the Raven Guard, he could have pulled it off.
I recommend the Swords of Damocles story collection for the T'au. One of the stories is about a human "convert" who became a Sargeant in the human auxiliary
Here's a fun story related to you talk about it being a healthy hobby. Some years ago I worked at a gamestore and we were a GW reseller. A man in his late 60s came in with his grandsons and they all became enamored with our showcase miniatures and started asking about. I explained the basics of building, painting and playing, the old man had built model planes earlier in his life so he had a got idea about how it worked. They ended up buying one of the starter boxes with two armies one for each kid. A couple of days he comes back and I ask him how the building been going, he told me they've had a lovely time sitting in his kitchen building and painting and that he's back for more paints. This is my own favourite warhammer memory.
Dante is a really good book. Followed by Devastation of Baal. Also Farsight: Crisis of Faith
There's far more to the ctan than brick told you, there were originally sentient gas that fed on radiation of stars, the necrontyr somehow captured this gas and put them into super robot bodies, the rest played out as you heard
Fall of Cadia is pretty much a footnote in the ongoing sagas of the black crusades.
I love that part where you talked about the type of person who likes warhammer and I just realised it really caters to my love for creativity fantasy and logistics
Good show. Always fun seeing your military history perspective applied to the wackiness of 40k.
But PLEASE release the next TTS episode soon! :D
*Gaunts Ghosts* by Dan Abnett is great for people just getting into reading Warhammer and as a former serviceman you may appreciate the research he put into military protocol and operations
"Warhammer Tabletop is probably considered healthy and not an expensive hobby"
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25:50, Farsight was put in charge of an expedition to take over a group of worlds after the Imperium's Damocles Gulf Crusade retook them from the Tau, then on one world, Farsight and his forces were attacked by Chaos Daemons which made short work of the Ethereal, that encounter with Daemons ended up being what drove him to rebel.
Also the Tau have pretty much no knowledge on the Warp, having barly ever encountered Chaos and when they do, Chaos wins (considering one of those times Mortarion the Primarch of the Death Guard was personally involved you can imagine how well it went for the Tau considering if the Emperor is viewed as a God the Primarchs are Demi-Gods), and the Ethereals know "everything" yet they had no knowledge on what Daemons or the Warp are and nor do Tau have Psykers and in the Warp Tau barly even register considering there are probably plants with stronger warp signatures then the Tau.
28:00 That's not actually something the Tau would do, especially considering they have a distinct advantage over the Tyranids in ground battles (in Space the Tyranids have the advantage but their Navy does what it can against the Tyranids) as the Tau way of combat is very mobile, as while they can hold a position like almost nobody else aside from the Imperial Fists or the Iron Warriors, the only thing is against the Tyranids they have to be very precise, so long as there are civilians on the planet, as they can't afford to get bogged down defending a city (and thus have their largest advantage removed), making evacuation a priority before any of the real combat starts,
and the Tau while morally grey do, actually practice what they preach to a fair extent, if they can take a planet without firing single shot they will actively try to go down that route unlike say the Imperium who are more then willing to simply shoot the people in charge if that's what needs to be done, they essentially know that they need to keep the sword bloodied just enough so that people are aware that they are willing to use it, but only if they have to.
Funniest thing about Necrons: they have not one, but several "I WIN" buttons at disposal but almost all of the phareons are grumpy grandpas so for now they wait and see if the youngsters can sort it out themselves or not. Also, the sharded C'tan shards are slowly merging back together.
Villains who twirl their mustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well-camouflaged. - Capt. Jean-Luc Picard.
Damn TNG was a smart show.
On the necrontyr evolution thing. You are pretty much right.
They did evolve for one type of situation, and then the (a?)C’tan ate their sun causing it to age (deteriorate?) at a crazy accelerated rate, which caused the radiation that messed them up.
Actually in Farsight enclaves there is tau called O'vessa i think he is earth caste and he commands his personal riptide battle suit witch is one of best riptides ever made.
Farsight Enclaves is not the Tau Empire.
They are pretty openly against the Ethereals and the Caste system and he is one example of that.
@@gokbay3057 Ofc that is why i love them they are my fav faction in 40k
C'tan discovered by necrontyr, necrontyr make them bodies so they can communicate, then C'tan figure out mortals are tasty. It's decades of lore all piled up lol
That would be awesome if you did like a book club.
Gotta say, the fire something trilogy about the salamanders trying to find vulkan's relics is some of the best reading i have had the pleasure of reading
Instead of diving into research on the War in Heaven, you should continue watching If the Emperor had a text-to-speech device. I believe it's episode 15 that goes over the War in Heaven, along with basically all the history of the galaxy.
ACTUALLY.......XD .TTSD description of war in heaven is incorect according to recent lore
@@vekith5824 Considering how often lore is retconned I'm not surprised lol
Well, there are a lot of inaccurate stuff in that episode, when it comes to the necrons and the C'tan.
@@jacktobias6513 I'm aware, but it does give a decent general gist of what happened. Half of the inaccuracies are probably for the sake of comedy anyway.
@@vekith5824 And I wouldn't be surprised if Emps did that on purpose to make the other races look stupid.
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My favorite is a 2 book series about the Custodes and sisters of silence. The first book is "Watchers of the throne" and the second is "The Regents Shadow"
Guilliman coming back, Cadia being destroyed and the "Cicatrix Maledictum" appearing are, lore wise, some of the newest and most recent events in the 40k universe.
They are already several centuries old, but in the whole 40k/30k/before that are literally: "this happened yesterday" things.
You 100% need to read Gaunt's Ghosts series by the legendary Dan Abnett. It basically tells the story of an Imperial Guard regiment, going from front to front. It offers a unique insight into 40k because it is told almost entirely from the POV of the regular grunts on the ground, while also including politics and rivalries between the various organisations. Generally each book also shows a different type of theatre and/or warfare, from trench warfare to mass airborne operations and many more.
The humans in the tau can reach higher in military status, but it's a lot harder. Mainly because the ethereals have mind control to an extent over the tau race. But I human has to be loyal and convinced fully that the greater good is the best option. Commander farsight and the farsight enclaves help explain the relationship between the tau and the ethereals.
14:00 the necron were woken up by the younger races settling and strip mining their tomb worlds where they were sleeping in their stasis chambers, so it would be like waking up to find your neighbor digging a well in your yard
15:30 That's the Fall of the Eldar. The Birth of Slanesh opened the Eye of Terror and doomed Cadia.
The Infinite and the Divine is a fantastic book, other recommendations would be Eisenhorn (about the Inquisition), The Horus Heresy books (theres like 11 of them) and the Gaunts Ghosts books
Only 11 Horus heresy books? o_O Or are you talking specific ones? There's more than 11 in the series... Like 5 times more...
@@KitsyX I think The Angry Moth is talking about the main books in the series. Kinda like how a lot of video game series will have the main numbered entries and a bunch of side games.
@@brigidtheirish The problem is that there aren't main numbered books in the Horus Heresy series as such lol. How would anyone know unless they already know?
Not that big a deal, but yeah...Probably best to just recommend the first trilogy if that's the case or something, then note there are 8 more important ones in the series if you don't want to read all 50 or so... I dunno...
7:00 The C'tan were a little more aloof than Bricky portrayed. While the Old Ones were normal material creatures living in realspace, the C'tan were beings of pure energy that ignored all living things, and just drifted from star to star feeding on the energy produced. It was the necrontyr that built them bodies and unwittingly turned their attention to other food sources. Likely the Old ones didn't even know they existed before all of this.
Tbh for the divine and the infinite I would listen to the audio book. The narration is really really good and does the Egyptian accent of the necrons justice
The fall of cadia kinda tie in with the fall of the eldar.
There is a former inquisitor who embraced the greater good as man kinds best hope for survival, that serves as a battle suit commander in the short story "broken sword" although i admitt this is most likely an exception rather then a normal possibility given the former position of the inquisitor as part of one of their largest foes.
Sorry may have been mentioned elsewhere.
The first Crons were chaos androids in space crusade expansion.
The first official launch was within a white dwarf article. Sanctuary 101 - crons vs sisters.
This happened right at the end of second edition.
They had a very small range of metal sculpts - scarabs/ raiders (warriors)/ destroyers/ lords / wraiths
The first codex was in 3rd edition, this fleshed out the range giving the first green rodded figures and changing a lot of figures into plastic.
Then came back in 5th etc..
Regarding the stargods - the c’tan they ruled the material space, the old ones were the masters of the immaterial (warp). The old ones easily fought off the C’tan and the Necrons separately but when they merged forces they wiped out the old ones.
As for books warhammer can be a bit hit and miss but Eisenhorn novels (Eisenhorn: Xenos being the first) is generally recommended.
My first warhammer story was "Ravens flight" by Gav Thorpe that does a great job I think profiling Corvus Corax
Nightlords by Aaron Demski-Bowden is also quite good
Funnily enough, as a US army combat veteran , you may find the Tau combat doctrine o be more in line of your own faction (US Army) fighting style than any other faction in the Imperium Of Man
Bricky skimmed over a few important details about the C'tan. Though I really don't blame him, this series is still several hours and I can't imagine how long it'd be if he didn't try to condense it. x)
So, the C'tan were originally energy beings that came into existence shortly after the birth of the universe, the very first sentient life whose thoughts carried on stellar plasma and electromagnetic flares. Their minds were incomprehensibly vast, not caring about the minute specks of physical matter orbiting the stars they fed upon. The Necrontyr discovered them during their war against the Old Ones, seeing them as progeny of their venerated god of death, and started making plans to harness them to destroy the Old Ones. However, they knew that minds such as theirs were not capable of percieving or interacting with the material universe on anything but a truly cosmic scale, and so they fashioned bodies for the C'tan out of Necrodermis, the living metal that would one day house the Necrons themselves.
Nobody knows how the Necrontyr managed to gain the attention of the C'tan, but once they did, they were coaxed into the Necrodermies bodies that had been prepared for them. Once the C'tan took possession of these new forms, all the sensation and detail of the physical universe was opened to them; touch, smell, light, sounds and taste, they became aware of planets and the even more minute beings upon them that they had never noticed even once since the birth of the universe. They could suddenly think and feel, ponder the meaning of matter and time, and make plans. And they noticed that these strange, tiny creatures possessed a form of energy they had never tasted, that was far more enjoyable than the nourishing but tasteless star-stuff they had previously consumed. Thus the C'tan gained not only physical form and the awareness that came with it, but a desire to consume the life force and souls of living creatures. One of their number, aptly named The Deciever, convinced the Silent King to subject his people to the biotransference process, and thus the tide turned against the Old Ones.
It's important to note that in their new physical forms, the C'tan were *disgustingly* powerful. They could kill thousands by mere proximity, bend time and space to their whim, extinguish stars with a thought and create black holes large enough to devour entire star systems. One of them, Aza'gorod the Nightbringer, is even said to have single-handedly annihilated entire species on such a scale that it was psychically conceptualized as an embodiment of death in the primal subconscious of most mortal races, including humans - our version being the Grim Reaper. They pushed hard against the Old Ones, and though the Old Ones fought them to a standstill yet again, the death, terror and carnage unleashed upon the galaxy - particularly upon the psychically attuned races created by the Old Ones such as the Aeldari - caused a feedback into the Sea of Souls and twisted the previously calm and peaceful realm into what is now known as the Warp. The Old Ones now faced not only the C'tan and their Necron servants, but also the malevolent beings spawned from the corrupted Sea of Souls. Not only that, their entire civilization was based upon psychically powered technology that was now malfunctioning. They had to abandon great swathes of territory, seal off massive sections of the Webway portal network, and abandon interstellar travel almost entirely. It wasn't long before the Old Ones' empire crumbled, and if any of them survived, they have either departed for other galaxies or somehow remained hidden ever since.
But once the Old Ones were gone, the C'tan turned to infighting, and the Silent King took advantage of this to overthrow the C'tan, destroying those he could and shattering those he could not to imprison their individual shards. The Necrons occasionally use these shards in battle, but only under the most dire of circumstances, as each shard yearns to reunite into its greater whole. Sometimes, dozens or even hundreds of shards are assembled into a Transcendant C'tan, too powerful to be contained in extradimensional Tesseract Labyrinths as regular Shards are, instead requiring a Tesseract Vault. Though the vault is near indestructible, it still requires a specialized Canoptek Sentinel construct to draw a portion of the Transcendent Shard's own power to generate a shield strong enough to contain it within, as well as constant, ceaseless repair by other Canoptek units as it is continously annihilated by the imprisoned conglomerate within.
TL:DR; C'tan OP, even post-nerf.
So the Necrons first arrived as "Necron Raiders" in 1997 as a suppliment in White Dwarf, but they didn't get a fully usable army list until 1999 and didn't get a full Codex and fleshed out background info until 2002.
Currently listening to The Infinite and the Divine. It’s amazing listening to 2 robots that were old men then became immortal robots fight each other for about 10,000 years. I’ve heard that Guant’s Ghosts and Ciaphas Cain novels are good.
On the Necrons back story there is a theory they didn't found the c´tans, but the c´tan that was snaking on their sun notice them, and the snaking part would explain why they where not prepared for the high radiating as the star was dying way faster that it would naturally
I know I'm writing this like a year after the video was posted, but what you said about tau that someday they'll show their ugly side is true. I know of at least two cases. The Empire is xenophobic, but sometimes makes temporary alliances with other races, mainly to defeat a common enemy. So it was, when the tyranids attacked the tau worlds near the Imperial frontier, the humans knew that when the buggs ate the blue men, the Imperial planets would follow, so they joined forces with the tau and, at unimaginable losses, repelled them. The Tau were so grateful that they sent their troops to occupy the frontier planets, which had no navy defenses, and the decimated regiments and planetary defense forces could do little to defend themselves. Another case occurs in the standalone expansion for the computer game Dawn of war: Black Crusade. The action takes place on the planet Kronos, which is inhabited by humans, but is occupied by the Tau Dominion. Different forces and races fight for dominance on the planet, and if the player chooses tau, after winning the entire campaign, it will be described what the aliens have done to the inhabitants of the planet. In response to the fact that some people supported the Imperial Guard to rejoin the planet into the Empire and that so many of the inhabitants turned out to be Chaos cultists, the Dominion decided that the inhabitants could not be persuaded to believe in the Greater Good, so they sterilized the entire population of this world and locked them up in labor camps to make the most of the planet's resources before people slowly die out. It reminds me of something in both the Warhammer universe and our real history.
The Infinite and the Divine is 100% worth the price. The Audiobook is also worth a listen. I’d also throw out the short audio drama Prophets of the Waaaggghhh.
One of the C’tan (star gods) started feeding on the Necrontyr’s star, was doing it for hundreds of years or more before they learned it was why they were becoming sickly etc
There was 1 Kroot that was able to lead T'au, but he's dead.
If Kroot and Vespid were better on the tables T'au wouldn't look so out of place imo, but those races haven't been good since like 5th edition.
Very nice theory about the Tau being secretely absolutely mental. I honestly never thought about it. But it would be nice if GW decides to include them into the grimdark
I don't know, you kind of need somebody to serve as a contrast. If _every_ faction is gritty, grimdark, Fascist or Fascism-adjacent assholes, then is _anybody?_
heyho. like your comentary. i would like to see a comentary about some warhammer books. i think especially the gaunts ghosts books would fit for you. its a good view into the details of the imperial army and the warhammer universe from an mostly normal human perspective
From what some of the tidbits have said the Necrontyr they were very much like humanity until around their industrial revolution, then their sun went through a phase change and their planet's magnetic field wasn't as strong as earth's. So they went from close to earth normal to living in the chernobyl exclusion zone in a couple centuries.
Imagining I was an independent minor species in the 40k universe, I'd rather become a vassal to T'au overlords than being purged by the Imperium, eaten by the Tyranids or enslaved for ever lasting torture by the Dark Eldar.
I mean, while I wouldn't really call them a good choice they are definitely the least bad choice.
Ethereal isn't a rank, it's more like what a Queen is to bees or ants than a rank in Tau society. They are born with mind-control powers.
The Farsight enclave is what it is because they had no ethereal influencing them, and they liked it that way eventually.
The C'Tan and the Old Ones not getting along or being diametrically opposed?
Me Thinks Arch summed it up quite elloquently, one of the rare moments he ever simplified anything.
"The Old ones viewed all life as sacred, to be protected at all costs.
The C'Tan viewed all life as delicious, to be consumed at any opportunity. "
As far as 40K novels go, the Gaunt's Ghosts series is a good example of well trained Imperial Guard unit and the Eisenhorn series shows a reasonable Inquisitor and what happens when an Inquisitor allows themself to go too far. Both are written by Dan Abnett.
Love the videos! You should defintley take a look at the miniatures and tabletop side of it - super interesting. Cheers
One thing he does not mention about the Nectotyr's early history was how their painful and short lives created a strong unity. Why go to a long war when you would probably die of cancer before you could reap the rewards? Instead, their energy was spent on science. First alchemy, chemistry and medical, trying to create medicine and surgery. Also astronomy as they tried to learn more about the star that was causing their pain and ways to block it and after that ways to leave their planet, then ways to travel away from their solar system.
So their technology advanced at a very fast rate compared with other civilizations.
It was also at this time that the infighting really started, where the different dynasties were spread out over a large area and the feeling of unity was starting to get weaker.
Once they became the immortal Necrons, they became even more advanced as their race's already impressive intelligence was multiplied and could calculate at speeds undreamed of. I do not know, but assume, that the Ctan also provided them with even more advanced technology at this time to make sure they could win their war with the old ones.
Ciaphas Cain and Gaunt's Ghosts book series are master pieces about the Imperial guard. One more humorous the other more serious. And I will throw in as a person favourite the Brothers of the Snake which is about the Iron Snakes marine chapter, that one is kinda harder to find in physical form today though (unless fairly priced used) it's more accessible in ebook or audiobook format.
All that I know about the Necrontyr is that their star became unstable in some way because of the Ctan, they consume the energy of stars which is why they are called star gods. Leading to the Necrontyr to develop shorter lives, and have diseases. Which is why life on their world couldn't adapt quickly enough because of how unstable their sun was. Their very own DNA carried this disease, so even if they left their home world they will forever carry this disease.
Spot on about the tau lol. In dawn of war, dark crusade, which takes place on the planet kronus btw, if the tau win, they sterilize the gue'va, human militia groups they used as meat shields basically lol.
Another excellent video! Cant wait to see what comes next
Livestream book club would be sick, think the Eisenhorn series or Gaunts Ghosts series would be the best starting points. You would probably especially enjoy the Gaunts Ghosts books, they’re an imperial guard that actually uses pretty good tactics and common sense for once.
You need to react to Helsreach. I would also recommend the Adeptus Ridiculous podcast where brick goes into more detail with a lot of humor teaching people about 40k lore.
He really skims over the war in heaven cause it's really massive the necrons home world was irradiated and terrible The ctan tricked them not forcing them and the war in heaven got really complex quickly and some of the old ones are possibly alive still just transformed into monsters. Also the orks were the krorks then devolved into the orks
I'm surprised I haven't seen a comment about how the C'tan are called star gods cause they were eating stars. Which also happened to be why the Necrontyr's planet was so badly radiated, due to their star being much further along it's lifespan than what it was supposed to be. The C'tan didn't even notice the "lesser" species of the galaxy until the Necrontyr discovered and contacted them during their war with the Old Ones.