Army Combat Veteran Reacts to Tyranids, Ork & Eldar!
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- Eldar/Drukhari, Orks, and Tyranids are some of weirdest and wildest factions in the game! Thankfull I have Bricky's Every Faction in Warhammer 40000 (WH40k) Explained Part 2 to help me make sense of it all!
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Fun fact: The Black Library is actually a very old craftworld parked in one spot in the webway. Contains collection of Eldar knowledge, books, art, ect.
And it is the name of GW publishing house in real life.
As far as the orks vs Tyranids idea an inquisitor has already done that. Basically orks live on war so the more fighting that happens the stronger and bigger they get. The Tyranids are then evolving stronger bio forms to meet the challenge. So they are basically in a crazy arms race and who ever wins will be very difficult to stop.
and you also forget chaos marines joined fight
@@murder1625 Specifically Khorne worshippers because they're as derpy as the Orks, they're there to fight because there's a big fight and they want in. It might be more interesting if it has something to do with Tzeentch poking Khorne into keeping the Ork Tyranid war stalemated.
@@sirgaz8699 I CAST ACHOOO
DAM IT NURGLE😂
And the imperium is scared of who would win as it keeps escalating continuously as more and more Orks and Tyranids swam in. Some giant Orks have been seen there as they get bigger the more they fight.
I believe until recently the Orks of Ullanor have been in a constant seemingly unending battle with the Tyranids there, both thriving on thier power struggle with the Nids having to evolve stronger bioforms and the Orks getting bigger and stronger because they’re happy having a good fight.
Waaghboss Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka recently arrived on Ullanor and finally broke the stalemate and crushed the Tyranids, and absorbed the Orks of Ullanor into his Waaagh, which is now on track to being the mightiest waaagh since the War Of The Beast.
28:00 that acctualy happend. They diverted Tyranid Havemind into star cluster full of orks. Then they Quarantined that part of Sapce let both sides fight in unending war while Inquistion is monitoring it for information. Great thing is that those Orks and tyranid ar too busy killing each other than being threat too all around. Bad thing is whoever wins in the end will be STRONG AS HELL
Yep and the Inquisitor who recommended the idea is considered a massive fool who doomed a whole sector of space. 😂
ah yes kryptman and his unhinged ideas
Yup. By far the stupidest thing the imperium has ever done.
If the orks win, these will be the biggest, strongest orks anyone has ever seen who could EASILY start a galactic-level WAAAAGH which would immediately end the imperium.
If the tyranids win, these will be the most advanced tyranids ever, with regenerative powers, spore-based reproduction, and possibly even access to the greenskin psycher powers. Such a hive fleet could EASILY devour all life in the galaxy, immediately ending the imperium.
@@barbariandude Ya they should've sticked to their scorched Earth strategy.
Kryptman: "I made a calculated risk, but man am I bad at math"
The Harlequins fight Slaanesh, as all Aeldari do. They're not just "circus performers", they're enacting stories that remind the Aeldari of who they are, and where they come from. Harlequins are the preservers of Aeldari culture.
Those "performances" are also combat forms, and Harlequins are *very* good melee fighters. It's not just singing and dancing; they're cutting limbs off and weaving between fire.
The Harlequins also act as ambassadors between the Dark Eldar and Craftworld Eldar.
And even Dark Eldar do not dare to mess with Arlequins they basically have free pass everywhere no matter is a drukkari place or aeldari place plus they are amongst the top fighters of their race
Yep. Brickey’s video is great. But Warhammer is so vast that one needs to treat it almost like going to school. And that’s just to understand the surface layers of Warhammer. The nuisances needs years to learn.
Unfortunately Bricky drops the ball really hard with the Harlequins, because they're actually really interesting. An old Eldar tradition with performers who also maintain and clear out the webway from daemons.
They even get a pass in Imperium space, because they are just too annoying to deal with, lol.
7:41 The analogy GW use is that the Dark Eldar soul is like a leaking bucket. Their soul is slowly being drained away by Slaanesh but by doing their atrocities they can “top off” the bucket with “water” from other sentient species. It’s less a deal with Slaanesh and more just outpacing the rate at which they are being drained.
Add to that the law of diminishing returns and you get one crazy dangerous group of evil mofos.
Yes but it is necessary to add that the Drukhari do not *actually* have to do this.
Dark Eldar can join Craftworlds. And live like Craftworlders.
There is necessity in what they do to stave of She who thirsts but do not misunderstand they fully like and enjoy what they do. Even if that "leak" was closed and they were saved from the Prince of Pleasure they would continue doing what they are doing.
I think you and inquisitor Kryptman would love to have a talk about orks and tyranids .
I love how did they both reached the same conclusion independently
@@kerolsmorgan126 Sadly the imperium didn't saw thr genius of that plan. If they were less stuborn and did exterminatus in those planets they could have destroyed a massive bunch of Orks and cripled the leviathan fleet.
Killing orks is like digging a hole in water, you will never finish the task and they will keep rushing in
@@kerolsmorgan126 Yeah, i would be more happy beeing one of those humans thar copied ork lifestyle XD. Fuck the imperium, fuck the chaos gods and so on. I will just enjoy my life beating the living shit of others until my last breath. Or like Tuska Deamon Killa, lets go to Khorne's main wolrd on the warp and fight to the end of times.
@@Zero-tk1hb u could still do that in real life . Join the great Mongolian empire get ready for krumpin :D
So the thing with the orks is that they only devolved into what they are in modern 40k after the war in heaven ended. Orks grow and evolve in combat, and only grew into Krorks because there was such intense fighting happening. The implication of this is that every war and conflict since the War in Heaven has not even come close to the insanity that happened back then, with the only time they even began approaching that level of size and intellect was during the War of the Beast(think that’s the right name). Basically we’re lucky that the fighting has never gotten as bad as it once was, because by all accounts, and from a krork that Trazyn the Infinite has in his collection, the Krorks were a terrifying force to be reckoned with. As for the more specialized ones, mekboys pain doks and weirdboyz, the Old Ones imprinted genetic memory into certain orks to serve these roles. Also a fun fact, orks can become morbidly obese and lazy if deprived of combat for too long, as an inquisitor found out when they had an ork detained for questioning.
War of the Beast, yes. Good reminder, haven't gotten to read the series yet, thanks. I didn't know that last bit (that orks could get obese), was that in the old Xenology book, I wonder.
@@ivanivanovic5586 In the old lore, the cast of orks that were the leaders and scientists for them was called 'brain boyz'. It is believed they have devolved into what is now snotlings.
The implication is the Old Ones uplifted Orks into Krorks. There is a lot of genetic fuckery in their dna - imperial and Eldar scholars posit that their oddboyz (meks, doks, etc) are traits that were genetically programmed by the old ones.
@@krinkrin5982 That was in the 4th edition codex, iirc.
I remember reading somewhere that each individual Krork was more physically AND intellectually superior to even a primarch. And there were millions of them serving the old ones. Let that digest for a bit :P
Basically, when Slaanesh was born, one of the Eldar deities that wasn't completely bodied, named Cegorach, decided to yoink some Eldar souls that Slaneesh was planning on eating. These Eldar would become they Harlequins and hang out in the Black Library. They don't serve chaos, but they also aren't trying to restore their race. Rather, they serve Cegorach, who lives in the webway and isn't associated with chaos. (Chaos isn't all of the warp, it's more like just the largest "faction" in the warp. Also, deities can exist outside the warp, it's just that deities of emotion live there.) Because their sense of humor is the same as right before the Eldar empire fell, they are the living version of that gif of the earth exploding with a caption that reads "we do a little trolling".
Paul: A human being can't survive being turned into a hat.
Dark eldar homunculi: Hold my orphan-tear wine!
The harlequins serve exclusively the laughing god, one of only a few eldar gods that survived slaanesh's birth.
They collect artifacts for the black library, protect it's secret location, and serve the whims of Cegorach.
They will get visions or a feeling of needing to be somewhere to do something, what the play is and go perform "theatre".
They are very much the most chaotic neutral faction. Sometimes they help some faction (any faction), sometimes they fight a faction (any faction), sometimes they show up to a fight in pogress, slaughter both sides, just to pick up a shiny rock and leave.
As a geologist I can understand the need to go to war over a shiny rock for my collection
The montage of the orks is a cinematic from battlefleet gothic: armada, pretty cool game about sail era combat...IN SPACE!
The key to winning against the Tyranids is to force to change their tactics and spread out their mutations as widely as possible.
So you must have space marines, titans, imperial guard, and use every permutation of their weapons, and use them in ever changing ways in new locations so they can't just do one thing.
In fact that is exactly how the Tau lost multiple battles, they just spammed missiles before they realized that the tyranids evolved larger armor and also just sent out swarms of small creatures to act as flack etc. So they created this revolving door method of fighting were they use mechanized stuff, then more infantry based then more artillery but never in the same order etc.
No individual in the Tyranid hive fleet is a genius but together and using multiple of the smarter organisms they do make fluid tactical and strategical choices, they do mostly react instinctively based on stimuli though. So it depends on the size, biomass, diversity of thinking creatures (as most are basically dumb robots), and the age. I guess that in theory several hive fleets could decide to work together, which would be..... anoying.
Ah interesting!
Dark Elder are just so technologically advanced that they can just do that. They were spacefaring for millions and millions of years. The Orks getting smaller and dumber is just due to genetic instability over millions of years since being designed.
Problem with Tyranids evolving to counter Imerium's tactics is that there's no Imperium's tactics. No two imperial armies look, thinks and fight the same as they're recruited from a million of woelds each with it's own culture and traditions.
A bizarre advantage
Orcs grow bigger by winning battles, probably something to do with adrenaline and the way they where created by the Old ones to be perfect warriors. So if an Orc beat another one, he might grow a few cm in the coming days, or if he challenge and beat a bigger one, he might grow bigger than his defeated oppponent faster. At the opposite end, it has been shown in a few books that Ork starved of battle (like in a prison cell) grow fat and gloomy, just wasting away.
less to do with adrenaline, more to do with belief
just like an orks gun only works because it believes it should work
an ork beating something big and strong belives its big and strong, making it big and strong
its all warp fueled growth
also makes it possible for orks to live off their own reproduction, they make matter out of warp and belief
@@ashardalondragnipurake I don't really like the belief thingy, it's not exactly a canon explanation ( I think it's only mentionned in three or four books if that) and seems more like a fan theory. It make more sense for the growth to be something that the old ones programmed in the (at the time) Krorks to make them better after each fight with the Necron.
@@Darkflo23 the belief is a core part of orks
its how all their tech works
its how yarrick is able to lift his arm
it is definitely cannon
some fans go too far with it, sure, but it is a core part of ork functioning
you cant make mass out of nothing and orks dont eat enough to grow so much after a fight
@@Darkflo23 OI! YOUZ A DUM UMMIE! WEZ BELEIF FINGS WORKZ SOZ DEYZ WORKZ! ITS CANON!
All Eldar reproduce in this way, the gestation period is supposedly years though and the male has to bring more genetic material repeatedly over it's course. The Dark Eldar simply bypass this by harvesting eggs and growing their population in tubes on a massive scale - they also have Haemonculi who are by far the most advanced bio engineers in the galaxy, the Craftworlders don't do this because they find it to be an abhorrent way to bring new life and their major problem is that they don't have access to enough soulstones to keep their children safe - something the Dark Eldar don't care much about at all.
Sometimes Dark Eldar woman do give birth in the natural way, just like Craftworld Eldar woman over a long gestation period, and these Dark Eldar are what is called Trueborns, they are basically nobility and wield a lot more political power and have more priviliges than the average vat grown Dark Eldar.
Playing since 5th edition and learned something. Very neat. +1
6:22 well even rejuvenate treatments used by inquisitors and high ranking people and nobles can keep regular humans alive for hundreds of years. And they don't even use the warp doing that.
Oh interesting!
One thing bricky should´ve also mentioned about the orks is that they are partly fungi.
orks are british football hooligans, we have a bit of a famous stereotype that we can turn ANYTHING into weapons you see hooligans armed with flags chairs, tables all sorts
I learned about one of my favorite hooligan weapons from an early episode of the Modern Rogue: The Millwall Brick. So simple, just a newspaper rolled up tightly and folded in half, making a crude short club. I wonder what the Ork equivalent would be (aside from just a regular club)?
@@JaxMerrick ive never used a brick at football games, when i used to fight i only used my fists, and i never hit from the front id wait for them to fight a bigger guy they sucker punch them from behind lol
I don't think his characterisation of the Dark Eldar is spot on. It's more that the Dark Eldar feed off pain to extend their physical lifespan - as long as they don't die, Slaanesh doesn't get their souls. It's not really a "deal" with Slaanesh. If it were they would still be using their psychic powers (which are banned in Comorragh, for fear of attracting Slaanesh's gaze).
The Drukhari are also more than just Saturday morning cartoon villain. They
embody the pride and defiance of the Eldar race - while the Craftworld Eldar are dying out and struggling to survive, the Drukhari want to show another way of life is possible. They can still stride like Gods among the lesser races. That's as much their motivation as the need to feed.
Another think about the Dark Eldar is that, yes they do do the horrible things they do to stop their souls from being eaten by Slaanesh. But they also do enjoy it. They could stop and live like the Craftworlders but they like what they are doing so they don't.
28:24 Actualy they did that 1 time. An Inquisitor had the "brilliant" idea that he will lead a high fleet to a sector where were a lot of Orks to let them kill each other.
10 years later and there are several times more Tyranid and Ork in the sector constantly fighting. Oh and some Khorne marines also showed up for a good old fight.
wasn t also a world that had a war khorne enjoyed so much that he keep ressuciting them to watch them kill each other again and again?
Place your bets.
I love his ork vs tyranid idea, because that is something that happened in the lore. Only it was a bad idea of the imperium because it is looking like whoever wins that fight is going to be one super threat. Ever evolving bugs or the big waaagh that will result after.
Devil's advocate, Kryptman was onto something when he orchestrated that war, provided you could keep a ship with exterminatus weapons hidden and on hand to monitor the situation until the conflict resolved itself, but before the victor got to spread out from the conflict zone. The fact that he got disbarred and declared heretic for being too cavalier with human lives in the paths of hive fleets was the factor that kept that from happening.
But of course, there's no indication that he actually thought of that. I'd be kind of disappointed if GW just left it at that; one of the Imperium's grandest and most zealous masterminds made such a base strategic error of redirecting the two forces that get stronger with constant combat into one another without any contingencies, resulting in one threat that was stronger than the two combined, because Grimdark. I know the Imperium is too rife with incompetents, fanatics, and overwhelmed bureaucrats to make smart moves in a timely manner, but come on!
The theory the Tyranids are the product of an extreme form of convergent evolution really gels well with the idea that they may be the ultimate (fittest) lifeform. I like this theory, I'm adopting it.
"there not gonna team and fight us" oh you sweet summer child clearly the horror of the LOOTED CARNEFEX have alluded you
I get the feeling Brickie doesnt know much about the Harlequins as they are actually quite well fleshed out. Their ranks are formed from both drukhari and craftworld eldar that...dunno...feel a higher calling I guess? They do defend the black library but their way of living in the mo,ent is to take to the battlefield where they see war as a great dance. They are more like a circus troupe than just “clowns” - so they take Eldar athleticism and gymnastics to the max, they even have belts that momentarily flip gravity around them for the briefest moment so that they can perform impossible leaps or flips. They live to perfect the great dance and please their “laughing god”. Their weapons are designed to perfect death either by making it as fast or as painful as possible... They appear out of nowhere, seemingly randomly, wreck everything in the most beautiful way possible (to any surviving onlookers) and disappear back into the webway before a serious counter attack cam be mounted.
As far as I remember the “slaanesh related” difference between the Eldar races is this: Dark Eldar: if they slip in their depravity for even a moment, slaanesh gets their soul. Craftworld: capture their souls in soulstones to power living constructs rather than let slaanesh have those souls, a soul not captured within a stone (they all wear one but they can be damaged) is god food. Harlequins: beyond the reach of Slaanesh as long as they live but should one die, thats it, gone - thus lending extra incentive to perfecting their dance.
Brickie doesn't seem to know a lot a bout a lot of things or is just confused about them.
23:00 I always hoped that the "hivemind" is in fact emergent intelligence, like how ants build complex anthills. So all tyranids function just with basic instincts, but when all the simple commands come together they make a hive mind of ideas. But knowing GW the Hivemind is probably "warp magic make bug go brr big evil mega brain with lasers and spikes!"
The warp solves and creates all plot points lol
I figure the Hive Mind is the overall direction of the Tyranids, but due to dispersion is relatively slow. The Hive Tyrants/Norn Queens are not as intelligent as the overall Hive Mind, but provide faster thinking on a local level
@Combat Veteran Reacts I'll try to answer some of your question although I would recommend 40k theories and tactica Imperialias for lore info in the future as they are much more detailed and well cited. So Harlequins are supplicant of the elder laughing one of the three remaining eldar gods after she who thirsts ate most of the eldar pantheon. They're drawn from both dark eldar and normal elder stock but tend to favor the craftworld eldar. Each is bound to the laughing god and on death has their souls taken by Cegorath rather than the dark prince, in turn they guard the black library which is vast repository of damn near all knowledge (human and xeno) in the galaxy hidden deep in the webway. When not on guard duty they travel between craftworlds, commorragh, exodite worlds along with some human ones preforming a dance that details eldar history up until the fall. The performance has such and effect on people that even dark elder have been know to weep in remorse for what they have lost and become. It should be noted that only one type of harlequin, the solitaire can take on the mantle of the lord of Ecstasy as everyone else would have their soul sucked on the spot. Occasionally, they may even join craftworld, corsairs, dark eldar at their god's/troop leaders behest.
On to the nids, they have been evolving since meeting the imperium at the stat they were mostly melee focused but over time created ranged weapons and they have evolved adaptions to certain threats. I.E when fight the Tau who use plasma/ion rifles the nids evolved a potent resin that dissipated the heat. The Tau only beat them back by switching to black powder weapons, they liberated from their totally not slave soldiers the Kroot. What holds them back wider implantation of these genes is having to balance the of cost biomass, K/D ratios, and the reliability of genes used. In effect the hive mind tries to use the least amount of biomass with the simplest genetic make up to kill the most things. Yes it could make a super bug, but that nid could be very expensive, too independent, or too time consuming to make vs a billion ripper swarms that can be churned out in afternoon from one organism.
Nid diplomacy: There was a brief time the nids sent a species called the Zoats to our galaxy to learn about us. The Zoats were a slave race though and dropped some hints about what was to come but were still thralls to the hive mind. Further, there was a species of what most guess were feral nids the imperium encountered that had gained independence from the hive mind after millennium of being cut off. They warned the imperium something was coming from beyond the light of holy terra as well as telling the empire to leave them alone because once the species started fighting it couldn't stop. Naturally the imperium said F this nonsense and purged the burg.
that is
Genestealers: these guys are one of a few scouts (the other being the Zoats and an unnamed civ on the edges of the galaxy) sent to the milky way and for the longest time were thought to be random space pest. Most are found on spacehulks which are the massive conglomerations of asteroids, Steller bodies, and spaceship that got smashed together in the warp. These things are both a great boon and danger as overtime hulks can create their own atmosphere and gravity allowing all sorts of nastiness to take root, but they are also stuffed full of lost/rare tech maybe even STCs. Naturally many imperial officials want to loot or blast them apart and that can take months or years. This in turn puts them in contact the Genestealers (GS) these tyranoforms can cuts through terminator armor, turn near invisible, and frighteningly infect trespassers with the GS virus. This retrovirus reprograms the host's mind and reproductive system to produce Gen 1 hybrids ASAP with any willing mate(s). Once the Gen 1 is born its exudes an aura that causes its infect sires to view it with near god like awe. The G1 will then try to mate with the local pops to make G2 -> G3 -> G4 which can pass for humans. Overtime the genestealers virus will be passed to more and people until it hits a point they try to overthrow the local government while sending a signal to the hive fleet to invade. If the cult wins before the hive arrives free planet for the nids. If they fail well the world is mostly like going to be savaged by infighting.
Da Orks: By default naturally try to find out who is the biggest. They get bigger by fighting and winning the more stompy, killy, or shooty they are the bigger they seem to the other Boyz if enough Boyz believe this the an Ork can grow larger. This creates a cycle where large Orks in a area will seek out of large Orks all highlander style till the biggest Orks is found/made. After this you eventually get a WAAAAAGH!!! as the Orks strike out against everything looking for a good scrap till the Warboss dies or everything everywhere is dead.
Krork becoming Orks, I have heard two reasons for this, one is that the old ones either cursed them for betraying them or put a time delayed sequence gemone into their species that would weaken overtime thus making them easier to manage once the necrons were taken care of. The other theory I've heard is the fighting in 40k is not intense as it was during the war in heaven, thus the stimulus needed for an Ork to become a Krork isn't present. I personally ascribe to this theory because if can't fight the become morbidly obese (regardless of exercise) and highly depress almost to the point of being suicidal.
Lastly a little pet peeve, this guy just glosses over how bonkers Ork tech is combined with there gestalt psychic powers. And the only way I can think of expressing how nuts they are is with some old Codex stories. In one engagement with the Orks on some minor rock a group of guardsmen were pinned down at the base of small hill by a lone Ork with a heavy snazz gun. The gunner never seemed to run out of ammo and his slugs could punch through several feet of soil. Finally when their commander ordered them to take the hill at great cost, most of the squad were killed and the survivors wanted what the hell was shooting at them. So they wrenched the gun out of Orks hand and found it has no trigger, no magazine port, colling system, or even a rifled barrel in fact it was just a pipe with crude stock coated dung based paint. In another battle, a looted Leman Russ tank was thrown against the IG's trench lines every battle it was always blown up though, but somehow got dragged off the field afterwards. Then the next day the same tank would show up, fire a few shells then get fragged. This cycle repeated endlessly till the guard won and decided to take a look at what the Orks did to the Leman Russ that made it so easy to fix. What they found was that the engine/drive system were remove and piece of paper with a crude engine drawn on that had the words 'VROOM VROOM' written in red was put in its place. The last story I have is this, a Rok (a mined out asteroid the Orks use as cheap spaceships) was experiencing engine problems while in the warp so two Orks went out side to take a look. Not a minute later, a Mechboy cracks open to window to sticks his head out and yells "OI, you two forgot your helmets" at which point the two Orks outside head's exploded. Anyways sorry for the text wall love your shit and have a nice day.
Ah the ork 'engineering' is also hilarious
If I remember right cegorach’s whole purpose in life now is just to fuck with slaanesh until they die out of spite
Second note, orks are also kinda evil as they take a genuine sick pleasure in killing. Also tyranids vs Orks are a thing in lore but it’s a perpetually escalating conflict as they both adapt and get stronger
Interesting! And worrisome for the imperium
7:45 Think of the Dark Eldar as batteries in a phone, Slanesh as some one who is using the phone and the people who are tortured as chargers.
So essentially the phone is being used while it's plugged into the charger. AKA Slanesh is feeding on the Dark Eldar souls as they feed on the tormented souls of their slaves/victims.
Concerning the spread of Genestealers: Tyranids employ a variety of Vanguard organisms spread far and wide ahead of any fleet to locate biomass. One such organism is the Purestrain Genestealer. All vanguard organisms are highly independent, as they are designed to work for prolonged periods without a connection to the Hivemind.
Upon arriving on a viable planet, the genestealer will infect a single human with the Genestealer Implant. This modifies the host in mere hours, so any children the host has will be a carrier of this mutation, and will be part of a localized hive-mind, centered on the original Genestealer. They typically form Genestealer Cults, worshiping the Tyranids as Gods.
After several generations, hybrids begin displaying more outward symptoms, such as multiple Genestealer-esque arms, carapaced skin etc, and Purestrains begin being borne by the hybrids.
Once the number of Genestealers reach some critical level, the original Genestealer, now called a Patriarch, beings generating a psychic beacon to summon the Hivemind. Additionally, the hybrids begin causing insurrections, sabotage, assassination etc, all to weaken a planet's defenses for when a hivefleet arrives.
Once it arrives, the purestrains get incorporated into tyranid armies as combat forms. Whilst the less-obvious hybrids continue infiltrating important positions. After the defends are destroyed, all hybrids go with any other surviving Tyranids and are recycled into biomass.
On the Tyranids Entering the Galaxy:
While technically true that the large amounts of psycic energy, people often misquote that as being when they started invading, but that's not entirely true. The first nids to arrive in the Galaxy were actually hive fleet Tiamat, (not counting Hive Fleet Ourboros' time travel shenanigans) arriving in Millenium 35. However, Hive Fleet Tiamat controls a single system, and isn't even stripping it, rather "farming" it. Since they just sort of showed up from underneath the Galactic Plane, then took a system and sat there, it sort of fell down the Bureaucratic memory hole. Now the rest of the nids have shown up, however Tiamat's now got Hive Fleet Behemoth in the way, so no one's quite sure what they're doing besides growing a *massive* Shadow-in-the-warp tower. Powerful enough to make Eldar go insane when they went near it.
Also, the sole reason the Silent King of the Necrons is coming back from inter-galactic exile is because he got out there and was like, "Ah! Bugs!" And ran back.
Not warp-fuckery for the drukhari torture. Just medical knowledge far surpassing our feeble imaginations.
The Aeldari race is way waaaay older than humanity. Like imperium is in the year 40k, but the eldar have been a player since the war in heaven era (40 million years ago). Created as a bioweapon race by the old ones, like the Krorks (later became orks), but as their opposite, brain over brawn.
With 39.96 million years of time headstart on the imperium, and knowing how intense the medicine in the imperium is, one can scarcely imagine what the eldar are capable of medically. Keeping an organism alive practically indefinitely post body horror transformation is surely on the table.
Yeah Dark Eldar have no psykic powers. What they do have stupid OP Space Elf Science that is sufficiently advanced as to be functionally magic. Including resurrections, black hole grenades and miniature universes as power generators.
And that tables name was Eric.
Eldar reproduce sexually, however, it's a 5 step process where they need five "shots" to be fully fertilized. Hence why the birth rate is so low, it takes forever to make a new kid, and complications can happen at all stages.
I thought that they also required technological help for their 5 strand DNA?
I like to think that came about because of their fall into depravity either they engineered them selves to be like that or it happened through a bizarre evolutionary trait
@@ODDnanref i don't recall to be honest. Maybe?
@@pyerack lmfao
@@pyerack I think you mean GW was haphazardly throwing shit together trying to expand Necron lore lol
I like how the peanut butter jelly analogy makes so much sense
That 'Heresy detected' meme is pretty much all my brain does when I watch your videos.
I think the reason the Imperium hasn't fallen to the tyranids yet is because in the lore they have only been around for a couple of centuries
Ah ok. So they are a new problem
With the dark eldar it's less of a deal and more of a way to keep filling a cup that has a hole in it. Slaanesh is hole and the eldar is the cup and the soul is the liquid. The pain they inflict on others fills the cup back up. Make no mistake Slaanesh still wants them and is consuming them constantly. The dark eldar are just keeping their souls topped up so that they don't die.
As far as I am aware, the tyranid hive mind is an unfathombly intelligent as it controls almost limitless tyranid through synapse creatures and learns from battles. It might be a creature, it might be a deity in the warp. Who knows it might actually just be malice in a trench coat made of bugs
omg i love the convergent evolution tyranid origin theory! i dont know if its more likely than the alternate theory that tyranids have absorbed the surrounding galaxies and were passing us up but then were attracted to us by the astronomicon/slanesh birth/other warp stuff. but the convergent evolution hypothesis has this really amazing inevitable great filter vibe to it, and it kinda make sense and would be amazing lol
Also highly recommend giving Prophets of the Waaagh a listen. Short audio drama told entirely by Orks. Amazing listen
Templin institute has a great short video on the tyranids. You should check it out.
I had never considered the idea that Tyranids might actually be unrelated to each other... I don’t think that’s what’s going on, but its an interesting idea
GW shot them selves in the foot with the whole blizzard thing.
warhammer would be so damn popular now but GW is like "nah, never heard of this blizzard. Im sure their little game wont become anything." and its just the most popular rts of all time and going strong today.
why must GW always only do bad decisions. at this point would think they have learned to do the opposite of what they wanna do because it would be the right choice. their business instinct is fucking zero.
Unfortunately the whole StarCraft thing is a complete myth. There was never supposed to be any connection between them . This myth arose because of the fact that Warcraft RTS was supposed to be a Warhammer fantasy RTS that became its own IP. Many people (especially GW )fans confused this with StarCraft's history..
I mean its easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight but back then all Blizzard really had under their belts was:
Warcraft Orcs and Humans, Warcraft II, The lost Vikings, Rock and Roll Racing, Blackthorne and some third-party DC comics tie-ins. (Diablo 1 was still in early development around the same time as the talks fell apart).
Buying into a competitive, multiplayer RTS franchise in the pre-broadband internet era produced by a relatively low-budget company would have been a hard sell for GW, especially considering that 40k was their golden franchise. (WHFB had already peaked by this point).
Obviously Starcraft would go on to be a massive hit and release just at the right moment in gaming history where massive LAN tournaments would start to gain traction. Just remember that GW no way of knowing this at the time that the game was in early development.
@Jethus: the forgotten brother of jesus
Dude, people from Blizzard themselves confirmed that Warcraft : Orcs and Humans was originally designed to be a Warhammer Fantasy. There isn't any more solid proof that that.
And, again, they shot themselves in the foot by taking Astartes and putting him behind a paid platform. Their business decision are so bad it's lehendary tier
@@remliqa Regardless of whether or not they originally wanted a licensed deal, it's painfully obvious that StarCraft is a 40k ripoff.
Did i hear CRUMP EM UMIES??? WAAAAAAAGHHH!!!
Also awesome video as always man
You nailed the Tyranid vs the imperium. Most recently the Blood Angels chapter exterminatused a swath of planets to slow them down so they didn’t have anything to eat on their way through space.
You also nailed the genestealer cults. A patriarch shows up and brainwashes a few people then those few people spread the word of the four armed emperor.
Orks and Eldar where engineered by the old gods to fight the necrons. When the necrons went into stasis the old ones left the Eldar and orks to their own devices.
Orks may only have a 16-33% chance to hit but when you are throwing 100 dice that’s still 16 to 33 hits which will kill something.
Thanks! That is a rough strategy to be honest
Your tyranid idea 22:00 is pretty amazing. :)
Love the video man just wanted to comment to help you with the algorithm and mess with you. There is a way by technically to make a PB&J without the peanut butter and the jelly touching
----Jelly----
----Bread----
-Peanut butter-
----Bread----
"I want a peanut butter and jelly sandwich but I don't want the peanut butter and jelly to touch"... dude, you're just describing a double-decker sandwich.
Nah, you just have the peanut butter and jelly on the outside. Is it messy? Of course, but so is trying to understand the chaos gods.
You can also spread the peanut butter on one side of the bread and jelly on the other and have an empty middle strip, creating a peanut butter jelly sandwich where they do not touch.
I appreciate the love! Thanks for the shout out. Your fans directed me here. I directed mine to come check you out as well!
32:10 Yes. Their growth rate and aggression are tied to their dopamine levels. They love to fight and when they win a fight they'll feel happy which greatly accelerates their growth and makes them more aggressive so they decide to challenge an even bigger ork. The cycle continues until they are the biggest and baddest ork around or they lose at which point their growth rate slows and they become calmer and fall into line under the boss ork until the next time they're in a fight and the cycle starts all over again.
the cycle of krumpin'
Putting the Orcs against the tyranids is exactly how Inquisitor kryptman got himself in so much trouble. Well I guess it was more the number of Worlds he exterminated to steer the tyranids towards the Orcs but still.
Gotta break a few eggs to make an omlette
Tyranids have done that with the introduction of he tyrant guards which are akin to walking bunkers and are close to impossible to put down with even a heavy bolter, and whilst they do poses resistance to imperial weapons unfortunately it will cost the tyranids in valuable biological materials to produce heavier and larger units. Since if you chuck a dog into a digestive pool, the best you’ll get would be a termogaunt if not a bunch of rippers
"They're Sander Cohen from BioShock crossed with Jhin from League of Legends" "I don't know who either of those people are" If there is ONE game you're ever going to play, play BioShock. The only criticism I can level at it is that they didn't incentivise murdering little girls enough (slurps noodles)(cough) . . . what?
Sometimes Tyranid Fleets purposefully fight each other to the death to see which of the Fleets adaptations are better. In the end, it doesn't really matter since all the biomass will be used to make the better Tyranid.
A fine reaction.
Though for your sandwitch sample, the easy solution is make it a 3 slices sandwitch ;)
My thoughts exactly
I like your comment about how crazy they are about copyright when they steal everything from other franchises, for example you have the terminator metal skeletons, and the Cadians armor looks almost exactly like the armor in Starship Troopers
Warhammer is an amazing universe but game workshop is a horribly mismanaged company.
You could say the Starship Trooper movies copied the Warhammer 40K imperial Guards. The truth is the Starship Trooper from the original book looks nothing like the movie version: Thy one from the book wore power armour that make Astartes Terminator armour looks like tin cans, the dropped the Staship Trooper from orbit ala ODST in those power armour and each Trooper (officially called Mobile Infantry) can singlehandedly take out swarms of bug alone (unlike in the movie where one bug can destroy and entire platoon). Suffice to say the Starship Trooper movie is just in name only.
The Drukhari try to reproduce normally, but have difficulty doing so due to Slaanesh. Normal babies, aka “Trueborns,” are rare and are basically the snooty rich kids of the society. The rest are test tube babies by necessity and are at the bottom of the social hierarchy unless they can work their way up. There’s also a weird form of “cloning” through Homunculi shenanigans, but that’s another story
23:00 There's only one Tyranid hive mind, and yes it is thinking and intelligent, not instinctive. It is the guiding force behind every hive fleet.
Chaos gods are metaphysical manifestations of concepts and emotions, so they're pretty weird and beyond mortal understanding in most respects, but they're definetly sentient, sapient entities in *some* way. They make plans, dole out gifts and punishments, give directions and so on. They want more of whatever defines them because their existence and power relies on those things, and thus they can be pleased or displeased - though the gods rarely take personal interest in any of their mortal servants unless they do something truly spectacular or if they have very specific plans in mind. They leave most interactions with mortals to the demons serving them.
As for the Harlequins, they oppose Slaanesh even more directly and vehemently than the Craftworld Eldar, but they're not allied with either them or the Dark Eldar because picking either side would close off opportunities they don't want to lose. Like Bricky said, their main purpose is guarding the Black Library, which is a secret repository of knowledge in a hidden corner of the Webway where pretty much all knowledge in the galaxy can be found. Tzeentch really, *really* wants to get in there.
Tyranids are one of the major threats to the Imperium, but they *can* be fought. The Imperium's stagnancy is a bit stereotypically overhyped in the fandom, especially nowadays with both Guilliman and Cawl encouraging new technological development. Even before then, it's not like the Imperium can't adapt to anything, it's just extremely conservative and slow to change. Something they realised pretty quickly after encountering the Tyranids, for instance, was that incendiary or disintegrating weapons are essential for combating them. In order to beat a Tyranid invasion, you need to make sure they end up with a net loss of biomass over time. Killing a tyranid warrior with a boltgun means you leave a corpse that the hive mind can reclaim and turn into a new warrior (or something else), but a flamer ensures that won't happen.
The Tyranid hive mind is ludicrously intelligent, but it's distributed. Lesser bioforms rely on more advanced "synapse" bioforms nearby in order to function cohesively with the rest of the swarm and use tactics. If synapse bioforms are killed, nearby lesser 'nids often revert to instinctual, feral behavior and go berserk, which doesn't make them less dangerous but does make them easier to deal with. And no, you can't communicate with the hive mind. There's only one person who's made any contact with the hive mind without going insane or dying: Ultramarines (yes, I know) chief librarian Varro Tigurius. Even he couldn't touch it for more than a brief moment, and he certainly didn't communicate with it - it was more like the psychic equivalent of placing your hand on a hot stove, except the stove is the core of the sun. He sensed something gigantic possessed of incalculable psychic power, hungry and alive, determined to exist forever, and undeniably sentient, but that's it.
Genestealer cults are more like vanguard forces, they like to hitch rides on space hulks and such. They sow dissent and civil war on a planet to soften it up before the tyranids arrive. At first they kidnap people and edit their genes directly to make them into subservient thralls, but those thralls then breed with regular humans, and a few generations down the line they're practically indistinguishable from humans, though they're all under the control of the cult's patriarch. This patriarch is the center of what is essentially a localized hive mind, called a broodmind. If the cult gets large enough they can project this broodmind as a beacon that basically tells the rest of the tyranids "hey guys, dinner's served over here".
And yes, orks do literally grow bigger and stronger the more they fight. That's why size is so intrinsic to ork hierarchy. That's also why orks vs. tyranids is a bad idea: orks get stronger the more they fight, and tyranids get stronger the more biomass they consume, so whoever wins that conflict will end up being a much bigger problem than they were before.
Lastly, the montage you were asking about is the ork faction intro from Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2. :)
Didn’t someone else communicate with the hive mind or atleast heard it say that it specifically hated the blood angels
@@jasonhill2879 I can't quite remember but I think it wasn't communicated to anyone, it was just a third-person description of what the hive mind was thinking. People have been pretty divided about the hive mind having emotions, but personally I'm a fan. Something that huge and alien being capable of feeling hate is terrifying to me.
The Eldar / Aldari probably used to be much less extreme, but that was a very long time ago. By the time mankind began exploring space, they had already become very decadent, increasingly exploring sensations rather than space. The dark eldar are the closest to what they were just before the birth of Slanesh, while the craftworld eldar are a counterculture that realized things were headed to a bad place and abandoned their hedonistic ways.
The Tyranids are very adaptable, but they aren't quite the Borg. They can have a lot of armor but in the end they are still facing kinetics and thermodynamics. Even if they can kill a Space Marine, they can still be killed too.
If you are curious about the animated parts like in the Ork portion, they are from Battlefleet Gothic: Armada (1 and 2).
They are pretty good if you want to react to the space warfare of 40k as they introduce each factions and their ships.
Neat!
One of the most hilarious Ork weapons is the Shokk Attak Gun; in the previous edition there was a relic version known as the Soopa-Shokka.
It fires 2d6 shots (2-12) hitting on 5-6. When seeing if it wounds, it doesn’t have a set strength value, instead you roll another 2d6 to determine it. HOWEVER, if you roll 11 or 12, each shot that HIT deals 1d3 extra damage INSTANTLY. Then, each shot that wounds, does d6 damage.
Now combine that with a stratagem for Bad Moons that lets them fire twice, thats 4d6 shots.
Combining your extra shots rule with that (known as Dakka Dakka Dakka) you can range from 4 shots, aaaaalll the way up to 48 if you’re real lucky.
Provided all those shots wound, and the enemy fails their saves, your damage could range from 48, all the way to 288 damage, plus 144 automatic wounds. - or Mortal Wounds.
Thats enough damage to oneshot the strongest unit in the game - the Warlord Titan, and if damage carried over between separate units? Almost 3 of them!
That sounds like just a ton of fun to play. Like gambling with minis
For more information try Tyranids by the Templin Institute or 💀Baldermort guide to warhammer on Genestealer
Yes, Baldermort is one of the best loremasters out there.
Never forget the tyrant guard, the space marine Gene as nids
Oof
your carcinization theory is actually really cool
With regard to the Tyranids, I like to imagine it using Nick Bostrom’s super-intelligence as a way to describe their capacity.
They are a networked intelligence which gathers sensory data all with the purpose of efficiently accelerating the conversion of all bio mass in the universe into energy.
When it comes from Krorks to Orks, I prescribe to Luetin’s explanation. They were created by the Old Ones to fight the Necrons and the Ctan in what was known as The War in Heaven, that we know for sure. This war was so insanely violent that Orks were able to grow much bigger and faster because of the sheer size and ferocity of this war. However, when the Necrons retreated back to their tomb worlds, there was no longer this constant large scale enemy to fight so they could no longer get so big so fast, and the Old One’s and Eldar at this point had enough of a technological edge to keep the Orks at bay.
Ah! That makes sense!
@@CombatVeteranReacts if you are at all curious and want a more serious in depth look at the Orks, I recommend Luetin09. Every video he puts out is in depth to a wonderful degree. That’s why he has nearly 4 hours cumulative across two videos explaining the history and facets of the Grey Knights.
13:20 - *YES*, exactly! Halfway between a monk and a medieval bard (jongleur is a more appropriate word), they avoid the pull through devotion to their craft and the perfect embodiment of the present.
From an outside gaming point of view Orks are meant to be comic relief but in universe they must be one of the most terrifying things to face
even the comic relief is terrifying is peak 40k
That montage is from Battlefleet Gothic: Armada. It's the Ork introduction cinematic.
8:24 the trick is put the peanut butter and jelly on the same slice with a small gap between them, then put the other slice on top
The cutscene with orks doing weird stuff and going nuts is from the Battlefleet Gothic (not sure if first or second) - an RTS fleet-combat game.
32:53 it's from the PC game "Battlefleet Gothic: Armada II".
Also about genestealers - they act like a 5th column, being brought months, otten years in advance before the hive fleet, with the point to corrupt and weaken their target and ensure that Hive Fleet could aquire biomass more easily. They also mostly blend in within human society and do not fare well when trying to infect Tau, Eldar or Orks.
for the orks it is more appropriate to call it "devolution". Can you imagine how damn terrifying Krorks were ? The same WAAAGH Field, but with the intelligence to abuse it! There was once an ork that got so close to the original form of a Krork that Vulkan, the beefiest Primarch that actually made Big E wince with how hard he hugs, STRUGGLED to fight it to a standstill.
Well more technically he went kamakazi on it thinking he saved the imperium.... only to find out later there was more than one of the beasts and he only killed the runt of the litter....
On Hive Mind Intelligence:
Olay, so there's one hive mind that runs all the Tyranids out there, and it seems to be pretty dumb. It just tells "EAT BIOMASS" without many details. However, the Hive fleets on the other hand, seem to be intelligent enough to plan, reason, and carry these out.
Think of it almost like a Sergeant and a Corporal, or any other relationship between two ranks right nex to each other. The the higher ups issue the command, those lower down the totem pole have to carry it out. I believe the Norn Queen is the highest outside of the Hive Mind, while the Tyranid Warrior is essentially a Corporal for Gants and Rippers.
Most Nids aren't that smart beyond animals, but as you go up the chain they get smarter. But there don't seem to be any sentience beyond *maybe* the Norn Queens. They never leave space though so it's hard to tell.
your idea at 28:10 the imperium tried similar to this the problem became that who ever won the conflict between nids and orks came out with far more than they went in with
On the Nids. It's both. The overarching hivemind is instinctual at best for us since we are so much beneath It's notice. But in its smaller segments or when it puts part of its focus on something they can be very logical.
As for the Genecults, they send a single Genestealer, and it does the thing ryming with Grape via tung to the neck. And it corrupts your reproductive process, so you birth hybrids of the nids and they slowly expand from there.
Creepy!
just put the peanut and jelly on the outside
need to think outside the box
saves on bread too since you only need one slice
I would put an extra slice between the peanut butter and jelly.
harliquins have a lot more lore in the old books, but you need to have been playing in the 80s times really to know it
That montage you were asking about is from the opening (if I remember correctly) cinematic for Battlefleet: Gothic Armada.
Fun fact about harlequins: They use a weapon called the Harlequin's Kiss that shoots a metallic filament out so fast that it liquifies their opponent's insides in nearly an instant.
Dark Eldar grow bored and jaded. Their "young" can feed from any pain, but the older they get the more creative and depraved the torture to stave off Slaanesh needs to be. It spaks volumes that they keep inventing new way to inflict unspeacable agony to a let a bunch of old coots who are older than Slaanesh live forever.
Dark!
The only problem is that one grows on biomass such as dead Orks
Whilst the other is a psychopathic fungus that grows from combat
So fighting might now wear them down, but actually make them stronger
@@CombatVeteranReacts unfortunately that is the case however there is a small possibility however it’s all about timing when they’re at their weakest as I said if ones stronger than the other then it’s far to powerful to deal with unfortunately however if the tyranids are losing too much biomass they can be easily dealt with, the problem would be dealing with the Orks on your heels as well as the untold numbers of worlds getting caught in the middle leading to Ork titans and moon sized battle stations and you could have another war of the beast on your hands.
@@CombatVeteranReacts pretty much
As I said the tyranids grow through the consumption of biomass via digestive pools where they would eat the enemy and throw themselves into the pools as soon as the battle is over tyranids are like locusts and will eat anything organic, as for the Orks who grow both psychically and even culturally as they grow and get stronger however you also have to consider the other problems such as being invaded by hundreds of chaos cults, tau are knocking on your door step with battle suits and advanced technology, the Eldar are just being a pain in the ass and the dark Eldar are causing havoc anywhere’s and everywhere, mini Ork empires and necrom awakenings are happening all at the same time, imagine playing thirty games of chess however if you lose one you lose a finger and if you lose more than five key games you’re dead and that’s a generalization of the imperiums current condition. Or to put it closer to home imagine having to deal with ISIS, taliban, hashkababs and many more terrorist organizations both foreign and domestically all the while trying to stop China from invading as well as Russia and whilst all this is happening you’ve got to deal with civil unrest and riots back home.
Your take on Tyranids was a new one for me and I liked it alot.
7:37 It's more like dealing with an animal. As long as you feed it it will realize that it's better off keeping you alive. And every Chaos god only want 1 thing. Growth.
So the thing about the Orks, based on the lore(The Beast Arises series) the only reason why the Orks don't have things like philosophy and such is because they don't have a large enough Waaaagh! When the waaaagh becomes large enough, Orks evolve.
Orks produce spores from their body, which grow into another ork. Imagine during the spring/summer, when there's pollen everywhere and each individual pollen grows into a ork.
The thing with the chaos gods is that in the beginning they did not know where they got their food (feelings) from. There were probably more of them but the gods that exist now were the ones who figured out where the food came from and how to cultivate it. to make a complicated thing simple, they figured out how to farm.
When the gods discover Agriculture.
There is a pretty cool story about the Alpha Legion and Tyrinads that has some pretty intresting implications towards Chaos and the Bugs.
🐙The Tyranids have absorbed Space Marine DNA .... ( Tyrant Guard)
Nah, that is just speculation. Don't spew this heresy
@@ODDnanref brother...... exterminatus?
@@pringlelingle6827
Vindicate, Venenum or Vanus. I'd send Vanus to know how much has this false misinformation spread. The majority of the population seems to have ignored this rambling so exterminating on a viable world is not an option.
@@ODDnanref *sad inquisition noises*
I remember one scene with dark eldars where they take a prisonner, carefully cut away his skin in one piece, then the fat layer, separate muscles from the skeleton, the nervous system, the organs and finally the skeleton on it's own and carefully display each layer seperatly while the prisoner is still alive.
Oh yeah and of course they torture him as well, probbing at his nervous system and organs and pumping drugs everywhere possible
When Orks are excited and fighting it triggers growth so they can grow their entire lives.
I main the Tau (or, I used to; I haven't played since like 2014 so I'm _way_ outdated), but my secondary faction is the Orks. They're just such a blast to play. It's so much fun to play against an Eldar or marine player who's playing all strategically, and just going "Okay, here's a puddle of 40 Boyz right into your nice formation, and another 50 Boyz over here just to be a bullet magnet, and a dozen Tankbustas into your shiny armored column, and oh, here's some Commandoz and Stormboyz to hit the backside of that command squad, and Ol' Screamy the wierdboy is gonna do _something_ I don't know what. Now let's see what the dice say!"
They're not striking a deal with an impulse, they managed to figure out what that impulse craves and are able to 'get ahead of it' so that it doesn't try to take them directly.
I never thought that they could be from convergent evolution. Neat idea!
28:20 The funny thing is that this is exactly something that happened. There’s a Ork infestation in the same part of the galaxy that a hive fleet is making its way to, and the Imperium is doing nothing about it for exactly that reason.
They did do the ork vs tyranid fight thing now its a never ending bloodbath and whoever wins will be nearly unstoppable becuase the orks evolve through battle while the tyranids eat the biomass to become stronger
The Chaos Pantheon is a *dark mirror* of the Eldar Pantheon
Tzeentch = Cegorach the Laughing God
Khorne = Kaela Mensha Kaine the Bloody Handed
Nurgle = Isha (Captured by Nurgle as his wife)
Slaanesh = Ynead
The Eldar *created their own gods* . Vaul (Eldar smithgod) created the Blackstone Fortresses in The war in Heaven. The superweapons caused such devastation the 8 pointed shape of them became the symbol of Chaos..
Grapefruiting is the act of entering trough any door or windows into a house with any piece of furniture without concent
So mitoses is still on the table