Yeah, Excelsior Park, Nivada Grenchen and Vulcain are all revived/run by Guillaume Laidet. If the watch meets Swiss rules of 60% by value and final assembly in Switzerland, it’s ‘Swiss Made’, even if many of the components are not.
Excelsior Park is owned by the same person who bought and revived the Nivada Grenchen name, Guillaume Laidet and his Chinese partners. I believe the watches are mainly manufactured in China. However there are different levels of chinese manufacturing and the the modern Nivada Grenchen pieces I own easily rival or even beat some Swiss made brands for quality. Enjoyed hearing your thoughts.
Buying a name doesn't make it nivada grenchen , i dunno , the watches are for sure not bad , but why don't you create your own thing instead of using the name of an Icon which doesn't exist anymore ? I am not interested in this Hong kong guillaume laidet "Nivada grenchen" story , if i look for Nivada Grenchen it will be Vintage for sure .
The movement looks exactly like an ETA 2801 that you find in manual wind Hamilton Khakis. The blued screws seem painted to my eye, not heat blued, which makes me wonder if this is actually a Chinese clone of a Swiss movement, and not the real thing. I don't think they paint screws blue in Switzerland.
The Landeron company had a long history of producing movements, and was famous for their chronograph ones. They went bankrupt during the quartz "crisis". Some companies now use NOS (new old stock) movements, which they service and lubricate. They were revived in 2018. They now produce 2 sets of movements - economy and premium. The economy ones are assembled in Switzerland, but manufactured in China. They mostly do ETA clones now.
@@ercanbanka5377 You would be surprised how many Swiss watch companies do this. Swiss Made means 60% of the costs are spent in Switzerland, but 60% of the case, so not including the bracelet or strap. Therefore, about 50%, or less, of the entire watch costs can be done elsewhere.
@@NICAsworld i know , sadly this is true , i am just curious if Rolex , patek Philippe and co. are also involved in this . This is why i go for Vintage watches from now on , nothing is perfect but you can be sure they are less made in China , i am not saying Chinese can't make good watches , it's just i am not interested to buy Cheap Made in China watches and i won't pay Swiss Made Prices for something that comes from China , i made this mistake with Nivada Grenchen thinking that the factory was re opened in Grenchen , it's right at the corner from where i am living , so i bought a NG and got a message from Hong kong , he doesn't even speak german , i asked him some questions and the answers were not satisfying so i cancelled the order , sorry but why the heck should i pay 1200 Swiss Francs for a manipulative hong kong based company or those French dudes who absolutely have nothing to do with NG . They are not Nivada Grenchen and never will be .
@@ercanbanka5377 Rolex and Patek do produce everything in Switzerland, as far as I know. With the mention that Patek does have parts and movements manufactured by other companies, as JLC. But you have to aknowledge the price points. Watches up until £5k or so would, most of the time, have parts manufactured elsewhere. This is a reality. When it comes to revived brands, I agree that most are not the real brands, therefore cannot claim the heritage. I would be more concerned about the quality and the reputation of the brand than where they were manufactured. Especially for that price point. When deciding to buy a watch, I have 3 main requirements - to like the design, the quality and brand's reputation. A 4th and final thing would be if I can afford it and if I consider it's worth the asking price.
Surprises me that in 2024, companies are legally allowed to write 'since ...' on their products without continuously being in business since that particular year. The word 'since' implies continuity - as in - 'excelsior park has been making watches since 1886'. In this case, of course, this is false. The company was defunct for decades between 1886 and today. Seems deceiving to me, and many companies, including some very prestigious ones, are guilty of doing this.
I don't get the logic for a micro brand like this, buying the rights to the brand name of a defunct movement/watch maker, and then produce watches with Landeron and Sellita movements, while talking about heritage. And then only having a generic email address as form for communication. That does not speak heritage to me. 😶
Checked the bracelet version on the website. Its loose on the lugs and seems like an afterthought. The collection is meh.. especially for the price. Zelos would be a far better pick for the price
Omg...whatever this thing is, it is grossly overpriced. These ppl never heard of Orient Bambino. You need to pass Bambino benchmark if you aim to charge that kind of money and "swiss made" does not help this one cross the line.
so when i wrote to Kuoe about the Production , some guy told me it's all made in Japan the factory is located there , but obviously not and he still asks for premium prices as a new brand with only a few years of existence , like wtf , we also buy a piece of history and Heritage not just a fantasy and looks .
Considering the real meaning of Swiss Made this days; and the Chinese manufacturing capabilities, due to the greed of every watch manufacturers, it would not surprise me this brand has the case, dial, hands and crystal made in China with a Swiss movement inside of it, this practices are not uncommon to other Swiss conglomerates, and Excelsior Park being part of the Korius Group, an obscure Swiss entity of industry insiders, it just makes sense. Charging those prices doesn’t.
I don't care about excelsior park , as long the other brands are not affected , when i pay for swiss made there should be nothing from China , Vintage watches are more interesting to me now , nothing is perfect but vintage swiss made is for sure more swiss made than the bullshit we have today .
@@Gumby56 ball is an even more ludicrous situation. It's an American trademark that is put on a swiss product that is owned by a Chinese holding company.
So, for $800, I can buy an Excelsior Park, which looks identical to my father's particularly-ugly $39 Timex from the 1980s. I think a strong word from you about the pricing would have been appropriate.
Another flim flam job. It's too bad that these old name brands can be used as there were. They should be mandated to put Neo or 2.0 or some indicator to differentiate them from the original WHICH THEY ARE NOT! It especially bothers me when YT'ers recite the brand history as though it applies to these clones.
The vast majority of watch companies went bankrupt by the 1970s. Now they are just trademarks owned by giant conglomerates. Many famous brands don't even make their own watches. The heritage is often as fake as a $3 note.
i am sure the watch is not bad , the looks is not perfect but good ,, the wooden box is also likeable , but what pisses me off is the "swiss made" signature , we all know wages are lower in China and you shouldn't trick people into this swiss made/history facade nonsense if you don't have the history or any connection to switzerland , that's somehow fraud to me .
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Yeah, Excelsior Park, Nivada Grenchen and Vulcain are all revived/run by Guillaume Laidet. If the watch meets Swiss rules of 60% by value and final assembly in Switzerland, it’s ‘Swiss Made’, even if many of the components are not.
“Swiss Made” is a joke.
Excelsior Park is owned by the same person who bought and revived the Nivada Grenchen name, Guillaume Laidet and his Chinese partners. I believe the watches are mainly manufactured in China. However there are different levels of chinese manufacturing and the the modern Nivada Grenchen pieces I own easily rival or even beat some Swiss made brands for quality. Enjoyed hearing your thoughts.
damn this guy kinda sounds similar to ben from ben's watch club, thats crazy
Ben replica
@@D2Nine he is Ben. This is his other channel
@@kart182I thought so!
It's actually a homage channel run by a guy called Ken Barthur
Isn't the guy behind Nivada Grenchen behind these as well?, Guillaume Laidet. only just started the video so you might address this later on
Yep he's responsible for reviving many dead brands from the quartz crises.
Buying a name doesn't make it nivada grenchen , i dunno , the watches are for sure not bad , but why don't you create your own thing instead of using the name of an Icon which doesn't exist anymore ? I am not interested in this Hong kong guillaume laidet "Nivada grenchen" story , if i look for Nivada Grenchen it will be Vintage for sure .
What a good Aliexpress branding! Wait a minute...
Those box clasps are definitely upside down!
Hi. What is the mode of the Watch that you are in the wrist? Looks great.
The movement looks exactly like an ETA 2801 that you find in manual wind Hamilton Khakis.
The blued screws seem painted to my eye, not heat blued, which makes me wonder if this is actually a Chinese clone of a Swiss movement, and not the real thing. I don't think they paint screws blue in Switzerland.
I think you’re one of the few people who can consider a 38mm dress watch “large” in any way
Classically, it is large for a dress watch
@@kart182agreed, I have a genuine vintage 1960s piece by Cyprus, and a Timex Marlin reissue, the Cyprus is 33.5mm diameter and the Marlin is 34mm
depends on the wrist size, on his wrist it does look big
Pencil wrist
@@thegorn dress watches are typically considered big at 36mm. They used to be called “jumbo” back in the day
The Landeron company had a long history of producing movements, and was famous for their chronograph ones.
They went bankrupt during the quartz "crisis".
Some companies now use NOS (new old stock) movements, which they service and lubricate.
They were revived in 2018. They now produce 2 sets of movements - economy and premium. The economy ones are assembled in Switzerland, but manufactured in China. They mostly do ETA clones now.
it's really ruining the watch world , if i pay premium price for quality i don't want made in china .
@@ercanbanka5377 You would be surprised how many Swiss watch companies do this. Swiss Made means 60% of the costs are spent in Switzerland, but 60% of the case, so not including the bracelet or strap. Therefore, about 50%, or less, of the entire watch costs can be done elsewhere.
@@NICAsworld i know , sadly this is true , i am just curious if Rolex , patek Philippe and co. are also involved in this . This is why i go for Vintage watches from now on , nothing is perfect but you can be sure they are less made in China , i am not saying Chinese can't make good watches , it's just i am not interested to buy Cheap Made in China watches and i won't pay Swiss Made Prices for something that comes from China , i made this mistake with Nivada Grenchen thinking that the factory was re opened in Grenchen , it's right at the corner from where i am living , so i bought a NG and got a message from Hong kong , he doesn't even speak german , i asked him some questions and the answers were not satisfying so i cancelled the order , sorry but why the heck should i pay 1200 Swiss Francs for a manipulative hong kong based company or those French dudes who absolutely have nothing to do with NG . They are not Nivada Grenchen and never will be .
@@ercanbanka5377 Rolex and Patek do produce everything in Switzerland, as far as I know. With the mention that Patek does have parts and movements manufactured by other companies, as JLC.
But you have to aknowledge the price points.
Watches up until £5k or so would, most of the time, have parts manufactured elsewhere. This is a reality.
When it comes to revived brands, I agree that most are not the real brands, therefore cannot claim the heritage.
I would be more concerned about the quality and the reputation of the brand than where they were manufactured. Especially for that price point.
When deciding to buy a watch, I have 3 main requirements - to like the design, the quality and brand's reputation.
A 4th and final thing would be if I can afford it and if I consider it's worth the asking price.
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Don’t believe in Swiss fairy tales.
At least my “Made in Japan” watches are actually made in Japan.
In her defence, your name is 3 letters lmao
I thought the same. If you misspell your own name when it's Ben Arthur, you've really got a problem.
Is there a place in China called Swiss made ?
😂
Nice. A bit Tudor 1926 though.
I got some “swiss made” watches that also came from HK. Nove, straton and others…
Thanks for confirming what I have been saying!
Ben the watch club?!?!??!
This is his second channel for looks
Does the movement hack ?
Surprises me that in 2024, companies are legally allowed to write 'since ...' on their products without continuously being in business since that particular year.
The word 'since' implies continuity - as in - 'excelsior park has been making watches since 1886'. In this case, of course, this is false. The company was defunct for decades between 1886 and today. Seems deceiving to me, and many companies, including some very prestigious ones, are guilty of doing this.
It is just like Volkswagen , Chevy, Ford, made in Mexico.
I don't get the logic for a micro brand like this, buying the rights to the brand name of a defunct movement/watch maker, and then produce watches with Landeron and Sellita movements, while talking about heritage. And then only having a generic email address as form for communication. That does not speak heritage to me. 😶
Checked the bracelet version on the website. Its loose on the lugs and seems like an afterthought. The collection is meh.. especially for the price. Zelos would be a far better pick for the price
Nice looking brand, but I would have to know a lot more before I paid more than WISE would cost.
the movement looks like the eta 2801
Omg...whatever this thing is, it is grossly overpriced. These ppl never heard of Orient Bambino. You need to pass Bambino benchmark if you aim to charge that kind of money and "swiss made" does not help this one cross the line.
Wondering if this is made in same factory as kuoe case is made
so when i wrote to Kuoe about the Production , some guy told me it's all made in Japan the factory is located there , but obviously not and he still asks for premium prices as a new brand with only a few years of existence , like wtf , we also buy a piece of history and Heritage not just a fantasy and looks .
They should maintain only the cronograph production.
By the way my bicompax came from Mendrisio (switzerland)
If you are in the industry you know this make of movement.
Just like Baltic. The one and only French Chinese Watch.
it's an alien watch with no roots
Considering the real meaning of Swiss Made this days; and the Chinese manufacturing capabilities, due to the greed of every watch manufacturers, it would not surprise me this brand has the case, dial, hands and crystal made in China with a Swiss movement inside of it, this practices are not uncommon to other Swiss conglomerates, and Excelsior Park being part of the Korius Group, an obscure Swiss entity of industry insiders, it just makes sense. Charging those prices doesn’t.
This, you have no other options than that, gotta be careful with vintage Swiss brands that felt apart in the past.
I don't care about excelsior park , as long the other brands are not affected , when i pay for swiss made there should be nothing from China , Vintage watches are more interesting to me now , nothing is perfect but vintage swiss made is for sure more swiss made than the bullshit we have today .
Omega is the only Swiss Chinese watch brand I know.
😂❤ good take
Ball also.
@@Gumby56 ball is an even more ludicrous situation. It's an American trademark that is put on a swiss product that is owned by a Chinese holding company.
All of your favorite watch brands make their shit in China. Get over it.
@@nedflanders3769 Not all.
Me thinks that perhaps the company is being a little liberal with the truth as to the origins of this watch(?)
You still believe in Swiss fairy tales?
Nice watch but too big for my liking.
back is nice, dial is bland
So, for $800, I can buy an Excelsior Park, which looks identical to my father's particularly-ugly $39 Timex from the 1980s. I think a strong word from you about the pricing would have been appropriate.
Looks .like a cheap fashion watch made with cheap parts trying to look expensive or well made but isn't
Looks nice but pretty generic
Another flim flam job. It's too bad that these old name brands can be used as there were. They should be mandated to put Neo or 2.0 or some indicator to differentiate them from the original WHICH THEY ARE NOT! It especially bothers me when YT'ers recite the brand history as though it applies to these clones.
The vast majority of watch companies went bankrupt by the 1970s. Now they are just trademarks owned by giant conglomerates. Many famous brands don't even make their own watches. The heritage is often as fake as a $3 note.
No!
Looks like a cheap Ali Express watch. Don’t see paying that much if I was comparing to others in that price range.
Boring
Watches are so delicate and intricately designed, so I have intense respect and admiration for MAMACOO watch makers
i am sure the watch is not bad , the looks is not perfect but good ,, the wooden box is also likeable , but what pisses me off is the "swiss made" signature , we all know wages are lower in China and you shouldn't trick people into this swiss made/history facade nonsense if you don't have the history or any connection to switzerland , that's somehow fraud to me .
Standard practice of Swiss brands.
Too many people still believe in Swiss fairytales…