Multiple Units/double traction of Locomotives with Märklin Central Station 3 (CS3 Episode 5)
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- This video illustrates how to run locomotives in Multiple Units (MU) / double traction / consist on the Märklin Central Station 3. It is a tutorial to talking about what to think about, how to verify & test they can run together and how to create the Multiple Unit. After the Multiple Unit has been created it can be run in both the standard as well as the simplified UI.
Please see the "Getting started" video (CS3 Episode 1) on how to control locomotives: • Getting Started with M...
The tutorial covers Central Station 3 with software version 3.2.1 (8). Newer versions should work the same, but some older may not. If you have an older software version consider upgrading your Central Station to the latest version. See the "update you CS3" video (CS3 Episode 2) for how to update to latest version: • Updating Your Märklin ... .
Tips & How to included:
• How to create a Multiple Unit (MU) - double traction?
• How to map the functions to same keys
• Tip: Use same series from same manufactor for reliable multiple units
• Tip: Verify the manual to see if the locomotives are MU compatible
• Tip: Do some test runs close together to see if the locomotives are MU compatible
• Tip: You can control as MU and each locmotive individually
• Tip: Only map functions that are important to be the same (running sounds)
Enjoy and have fun with model trains :-)
Interesting links (English):
- Märklin: www.maerklin.de/en
- Märklin Central Station 3: www.maerklin.de/en/products/d...
- Märklin Central Station 3+: www.maerklin.de/en/products/d...
- Märklin Central Station 3 Manual: streaming.maerklin.de/public-m...
Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:52 What to think about for MU?
04:46 Verifying the manuals for signs of reliable MU
08:33 Creating a Multiple Unit (MU)
10:51 Controlling as MU or independent locomotives
13:08 Test run the Multiple Unit (MU)
18:41 Mapping functions to suit the MU
32:21 Around the layout (Running-session)
Brilliant walk through! Thank you very much!!!
Glad it was helpful! Enjoy ;-)
Video is spot on. So much going on.
Glad you enjoyed it. Happy railroading ;-)
Very informative video - Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it! Enjoy ;-)
Yes I sure would like to run a multiple unit/double traction set of locos at some future time.
Hi David, it always looks nice with two engines. The trick is to make this run with approximate the same speed and acceleration. Enjoy ;-)
Perfect. Your video answered my question how to control double traction in Märklin layout
Glad it helped! Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFun unfortunately I need CS2/3 to make a consist. Can I setup a consist using MS2 or setup in CS3 but run with MS2?
@@ModelTrainFun i noticed on CS3 display, below the consist "Vectron MU" throttle, it shows MM whereas on the DB AG Vectron, below the throttle it shows mfx. Does this mean the consist us running on MM?
On the MS2 there is no easy way. However, it can be achieved by being creative. It's not as nice as on the CS2/3, but will work. Unfortunately, you cannot transfer a consist from a CS2/3 to a standalone MS2 (you can run it from a MS2 connected to the CS2/3).
You can make a consist on the MS2 in one of the followng ways:
1. Use a dummy locomotive without an engine
2. Set the locomotives to use same address. If they are MFX locomotives you need to change them to use either FX (MM) or DCC.
3. Set the locomotives to DCC and use the DCC consist feature - I have not tried this.
Hope this helps. Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFun that's a clever trick to set the locos in a consist to same DCC address 👍
Nice! Just found your great channel! Definitely liking and subscribing! Thanks! T4
Thanks for the sub! Sorry RUclips had your message in "Held for review" for some reason?? Hope you find some good videos and have fun ;-)
Helpful video as always. I just love doubletraction, especially with the heavy steamers. atm i have 3 pairs of BR 44s (043) 6 different locos, it took some testing to fully synchronize, but running fine now. btw I have 2 of those locos without sound. do you have a video of installing sounddecoders ? like the 60975 ? (39882 and 39883 is without sound)
Hi Oddvin,
3 pairs of BR44s - wow! You are the double traction master! Yes - it takes some time to synchronize them to make sure it is smooth operation. This is one instance where software automation can help you a lot and automatically synchronize locomotives.
I have not made any videos on how to install a sound decoder in a locomotive without sound. However, looking at the manual it should not be too difficult as the 60975 you mentioned should be able to directly replace the decoder in the locomotives. Hence, a direct plug'n'play. The difficulty could be to get the squared speaker to fit in there. It looks likt the original hole is for a round speaker. However, there should be enough room in there for the squared one... However, I have not tried to replace the decoder. Programming the decoder can be more difficult - dont know too much about this. Consider going to your favorite Märklin model train shop and asking them for advice - or they might even do it for you (for a price).
Enjoy ;-)
My comment in one word. Perfect.
Hi Baudouin - glad you liked the video. Enjoy ;-)
Nice very helpfully👍👌 do you know how to make a locomotive drive in a reversed direction like how i make forward backwards
Hi, I am thinking that just changing the direction of one of the locomotives in the consist might work (not using the M.U. set). The when you use the M.U. Set, then it will change direction for both: one locomotive from forward to reverse and the other from reverse to forward. Unfortunately, I am on vacation and cannot try it out. Give it a go - or ask me in a couple of weeks, so I can try it out. Enjoy ;-) Bo
can you do it with mobile station 2 if yes can you plz do a video how to do it ? :D and thx for all the nice videos
Yes - you can also do it with a MS2. The trick is to use MM (or DCC) addressing and set the locomotives to same address. Then you can control both locomotives using that address. I will look into making a video on how to do this. Enjoy ;-)
Dear "Model Train Fun", Hi! It's me again. I recently started a project to calibrate the speed of my locomotives - that is to say I want to see the loco run at the "real world" speed of 100 km/h when I set my CS3 speed to 100 km/h, and of course, similarly 80 km/h, 40 km/h , etc accurately. So far, I have only been able to calibrate the speed to match 100 km/h, the other speeds are off by a lot. I know the CS3 "edit Loco" function has a "speed profile" I could tweak, but I have not succeeded. I wonder if you have gone over this topic in your earlier tutorials. I look forward to your insights. Thank you very much.
Hi Henry - unfortunately, I have not experimented with the "real world" speeds trying to make it more exact. I do know you can make customized speed curves on the CS3, so you should be able to make it match - however, I suspect it might also depend on the decoder.
I did put by BR 74 from the starter set on the track to see the possibilities. I would start by determining the max speed of the locomotive in real life. This could be 100 km/h. Then I would figure out what setting this is (0-255). You can put the max speed to 255, set min speed to 5 or 10 on the Setup tab. Put 255 as speedometer on the info tab. Then ensure that on the configuration tab you have the speed curve you desire. Then I would determine what speed setting 100 km/h is - lets say 185? The same for 80 km/h (x) and 40 km/h (y).
Now you can make the final settings. Speedometer on info tab to max prototypical speed (100 km/h). min speed on setup tab to min drivable speed - typically 5-10. Then set max speed to the 185 as we determined is equivalent to 100 km/h. The I would go to the configuration tab and configure the curve. Assuming you have 26 speed step setting I would set step 26 = 100 km/h = 185. Then set step 21 (80/100*26) to 80 km/h= x and step 10 (40/100*26) to 40 km/h = y.
Finally you need to smooth the curve - I could not make the smooth button work as I wanted, so you might need to do it manually.
I did not go through the process but I think the above steps would get you close to what you need. The crucial point is to have something to meature the actual speed of the locomotive on the track in 1:87 scale.
When I use software for automation it is easier as the software determines the curve through calibration. On small layouts I would consider not setting to scale speed but rather to something that looks nice on your layout. I prefer 1/2 scale speed or similar otherwise my trains would make it too fast between stations (or back to same station).
Hope this gives you some ideas - let me know if you succeed. Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFun Thank you very much for your considered reply. Yes, I have a speedometer (by Accutrak), and I will take your suggestions and tweak around ✌️✌️✌️. Thanks again🙏🙏🙏
@@henryt4710 Excellent - let me know how it works out. Another thought is that doing this you could also speed match locomotives for multipleunits/double traction. Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFun Thanks. That’s why I picked this episode to ask this question ✌️✌️✌️
Maybe you can test two older digitalized engines, thx!
Hi Rune, Not quite sure what you are asking. You can combine any two digital locomotives no matter protocol. However, the more different the locomotives are the more difficulty you will have adjusting speed, acceleration and deceleration to allow then to drive in a consist. Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFun OK, it is tricky with f.e. two older 3030 SJ Da with Märklin decoders to create ein "Doppeltraktion",how to equalize speed?
@@runeljungstrommer331 Hi Rune, if this are two of the same locomotive, then there is a good chance that they will work as they are. From your description about it sounds like it? The challenge can be if they behave differently due to age - or if one had values changed on the decoder. Some of this you might not even know about if it is a second-hand purchase. I suggest you try to create a multiple unit as show in the video here: ruclips.net/video/nDnT3LIol68/видео.html Note: I use MFX locomotives, but that is not required. The try to test it out with them driving close but not coupled as you can see in the video here: ruclips.net/video/nDnT3LIol68/видео.html If they maintain approximately the same distance when you run them around without being coupled, then you can safely put them in the same multiple unit (MU).
If they do not match too well, then you can adjust the parameters of the locomotive in the CS3. This depends on the Märklin decoder in the locomotive. If it is a newer one, then look at the comments from "henry t" on this video where I give a few hints on what to do. This is more advanced and can be quite difficult. However, if they are almost in sync, then a small adjustment might be enough.
Das ist ja H0 oder kleiner, d.h. ...
nicht maßstabgetreue Gleise,
Wagen und Loks sind nicht so Vorbildgetreu,
sie fahren, bremsen oder beschleunigen zu schnell,
und es gibt unnatürlich viele Gleise.
Hi Stefan,
This is H0 scale. I believe the measurements is accurate - Märklin do produce in exact scale for all but the longest models. You can adjust the speed, acceleration and breaking as you see fit. If you are into very accurate prototype look'n'feel, scenery and sound you can also do that if you like. Some models are more accurate that others and other track is available that might be more realistic for you. It's all a question of what you find fun and what you enjoy.
I am more into just running the trains. I will never have room for prototypical scenery, accurate distance between stations and so on. If you have the room you can make things as much to scale as you like. All depends on what you enjoy.
Hope you have fun with trains. Enjoy ;-)