gabefollower prominent CS2 data miner discovered new VAC anti-cheat leaks in CS2's code... the leaks are crazy... Gabe Follower: • Anti-Cheat VAC 2.0 / O...
One thing about AI is that it can go trough all of those millions of games played and gather information how humans play. That gives you such a good data, that even using soft wallhacks (like using wh only very carefully) can be spotted based on certain odds.
Basically, they made us wait for the same system we already had that never worked, Kernal anti cheat would go a long way, but I have a suspicion that the cheaters might actually just be so far ahead of Valve at this point that the game will never be the same again. The detection itself needs a serious overhaul and the ability to auto ban with no chance of recovery. Since cheaters still farm cases, they are giving the community the ability to possibly forgive cheaters if they have a high enough trust factor. If every once in a while, they send red herring demos to players of blatant cheaters and those players don't submit it as evidence and those people get temp bans or something like that then I can say maybe it will work better.
The fact that they removed Overpass is really weird, even if it's one of the *less* played maps, Ancient and Anubis are pretty much banned every game, why not remove one of those?
Cheating can’t be fixed in FPS games, it’s too far gone. There’s good hardware cheats on the market now that you don’t even need to pay for files to inject, you just plug a box into your usb slot and have auto aim/no recoil and lots of other cheats on any game you want and download the configs from a forum. They can’t do anything about hardware cheating. Besides the cheat devs are always one step ahead, whenever valve releases an update, most cheats have an update the same day or the next and it goes undetected again.
Ultimately you're slightly wrong, but I'm not going to fault you for your lack of knowledge. When DMA first started becoming a big issue, the CPU manufacturers we use today started working on counter-measures. Later they introduced something called IOMMUs, and this "completely" fixed the issue for a while. Then something called PCILeech was released and wrecked havoc. Then we got better at counter-measures against that. Then we started seeing more FPGA based DMA architecture. Then, and this is not common knowledge, Riot integrated IOMMU into their kernel anti-cheat. This basically lets them analyze memory access patterns in your I/O devices (DMA Hardware), which is why riot has been largely successful, albeit not completely, against DMA. So while you're right that Valve are at a disadvantage, you're not right about FPS games being doomed altogether. And to be frank, with Valve turning their focus towards AI, I'd hazard guessing that at one point they won't need anything else than it and overwatch. I don't think it'll ever be as good as a proper kernel anti-cheat, but I think they can get a whole lot better than they are today.
@@MikeWFX Nice writeup, it's rare to see someone be so knowledgeable about this stuff. Riot's Vanguard actually can put up a fight vs DMA cheats, they went into detail in their latest blogs. It's still an issue going forward but they are not unarmed.
in my honest opinion, at least for wall hacks you can't ever use ai because for some players who are in the zone and somehow have really good intuition and sometimes even put their cross hair exactly where they think the ops are can look like as waller to an ai. There is an effect called hallucinations which even the most perfected Language Models do(like CHATGPT) where they make up false information with full confidence.
@@greatsaiyaman4364there were always cheaters its just that because they have no “real anticheat” implemented right now pricks, even with skins on an account will continue to cheat
stopping all cheaters in all fps games that read memory is so easy , but they have to think out the box .the solution exist in overwatch 2 game. And they dont even need a kernel anti cheat or any kind of third software
to clarify: no captcha anymore checks what boxes you click, the ai is clever enough since atleast 10 years to do it better ;) ------ it checks your mouse movement and browser history to rule out you are a llm
this seems like a stupid idea. It's just prolonging the inevitable. And theres also a high risk that you could end up getting banned just by getting a couple lucky shots in a row. Just add kernal access it'll solve everything
isnt this overwatch has same principle as twitter community notes, ''sometimes" they (so called trusted player) make weird judgement on ppl post or give unnecessary context.... Better use kernel bruh
Cheating provider will always be ahead of the anti cheat. Even with AI the cheat providers will just start using it as well to avoid detection. This will never end until it's against the law everywhere with actual punishments for the developers
I remember a real life friend of mine said that he was invited as a "Judge" for the League of Legends tribunal back when that was a thing - he never, and I mean NEVER gave a "not guilty" verdict. He said that found it funny that even if somebody was innocent, they could get punished - for every case that was given to him, he said that the person was guilty no matter what and he would laugh about getting the confirmation that his tribunal cases would result in punishments, when he claims to have never even reviewed the matches himself. I can see that happening in CS2.
ohne, there is an ai that can full detect aimbot i forget the name of it but nonmatter what setting how legit it looks it will detect it, i think the same w walls (if i remember the name ill reply with it)
not real and AI has too many false positives or incorrect stuff. cant risk peoples accounts with AI because if it detects 1 false positive, say people are bhopping funny idk, and it just spams a ton of people that are bhopping, you have an issue. wont be for a while until people implement AI into any sort of security issue like that. true hardware/software detection and human peer reviews are still the way to go.
Ai can detect triggerbot easily, just see the ms rate they shoot at and if its consistently ridiculous or inhuman, ban. Detect walls? Maybe not, humans do stupid crap sometimes and get lucky. Detect aimbot, if the aimbot reacts faster then human reaction speed as in aim assist, yes, hold key aimbot, probably not. Bhop scripts, yes. Any visual cheat can be detected if it watches ure screen but that can easily be bypassed with some kind of advanced anti obs method.
bc this guy only care about glazing his cs2 fans/his viewers... so if there are chances that the game is getting better, thats a WIN for him as he can more GLAZE the game for his cs2 fans/viewers.
I can't wait for the great anti climax when everyone realises Valve are incapable of fixing the cheater issue in their own game. History always repeats in the end.
If it turns into cat and mouse game where cheating ai will emulate human behaviour to go off radar, I'm fine with that. At least there'll be no spinbots and lightcore cheaters are beatable alright.
ngl, they should just allow players to spectate random matches. to oversee it. After it finishes give them a case. and if they watch enough give them a random key. Only humans can see cheaters easy, software can’t otherwise CS would have no cheaters. Whatever this “Overwatch” thing is, it should be exactly that. Software won’t save people from cheaters.
I banned many cheaters on overwatch csgo but it's time costly and i stopped using it because why would i spend time with no reward when it's ultimatively VACs responsability,, they get paid.
Its not a VAC update to add Overwatch.... DEVELOP VAC TO IDENTIFY IRREGULAR BEHAVIOR. LIke spinnbot, shoot faster then a gun possible can, snapping HS. Come on....
I'm not installing a root kit to play cs. At that point I will quit. I much rather have privacy and play with cheaters than having literal spyware with back-doors on my pc like vanguard for instance.
the solution is very intrusive anticheats, no overwatch or AI will end cheating. It only ends rage hacking, even silvers trying to hide their cheats badly dont get banned by overwatch. So imagine a player with +5k hours with very good game sense, including good aim and crosshair placements etc. You won't be able to understand if they're cheating or not, it's not that hard to hide a wallhack if you have high elo and l play good without hacks. aimbots are even way harder to detect, if they have a very small aimbot. THeres a line between very good legit hackers and good players, even AI won't know for sure if the user is just that good or hes cheating. the only way is by having very intrusive anticheats and still it doesnt meant that cheaters will end by 100%. Most cheats nowadays run on ring 0, and developers are putting a lot of effort in cheats development because there is a lot of money involved. maybe hardware anticheats like analusing face with a webcam and pointing another webcam to the screen haha and calculating mouse movement with sensitity and in-game sensitivity, resolution etc and calculate if the mouse movement done would be on the position where the user shot. so yes, the perfect solution violates privacy very deeply and nobody would want to take that far just to play a game
AI cheats arent a bad thing honestly, its the obvious ones that are annoying. For example: Will a "human like AWP ai cheater" be able to beat a 5 man rush? I dont think so Wall hacks are useless if the teamplay sucks , nades kills the hacker and you just win afterwards
No, NO NO, dont bring back OW. Stupid $6.9 billion company wants us to do their job for free! I did ow for so many games, wasting my fucking time I should be playing instead not wasting my time for free and do Valve's job, I invested money and now we the players have to do their job?
Ohnepixel, you’re an incredibly underrated streamer. You would get twice as much viewers and views by playing something other than cs2 every stream. Thoughts ma Drillas?
I already used an ai aimbot and it even worked perfectly on valorant never got banned (just wanted to see what happened never used it again since then)
I agree with you but in other reactions videos he doesn't. Unless this is a special case where he doesn't trust that site. He has done skin sites ADs in the past but just for only two sites. (Sorry for my bad dialect I'm not a native speaker)
Игры
6:28 "You have a Parabel Bruder, du musst integrieren" Haha
:awesome:
Valorant better
A good anti cheat is what people want more than just new content.
2:00 we will need to complete a captcha before hitting a hs in game
Controversial question: what will be the first: GTA 6 or CS with actual anticheat
We will all rot before we get either of these
@@Some_nerd7 fr bro
@@0997udan bro at least they announced gta 6 and we know its release year
I think GTA 7
@@petke_175 and they announced vac way before that
mark is so charismatic he should start doing youtube
ong he could run a crazy strong cult 😂@@HyperKryst
Aware @@HyperKryst
Dudeeee we need an anti-cheat cheat for TF2
Not coming
No
Team Fortress 2? Wtf?
Only if you give valve some more 💸
bro, i know... one day
Bro, they have to ad 1.0 before 2.0 🤦♂️
One thing about AI is that it can go trough all of those millions of games played and gather information how humans play. That gives you such a good data, that even using soft wallhacks (like using wh only very carefully) can be spotted based on certain odds.
The dropped weapon thing is way too op... I stole too many awps that were nowhere near close to me...
They need to have in game audio too likw the coms and chat too
I've never understood why there's no software/hardware scan within vac
Bro really said HEEHEEHEEHAA
If there’s a overwatch anti cheat
Will there be a tracer skin in the item shop?
Weapon drop is going to be abused to hell lol
Gabe follower sounds like down-pitched haix
Based on data Overpass least played map
please @ohne do: ohne VS s1mple challenge. we need a s1mple collab rn!
Basically, they made us wait for the same system we already had that never worked, Kernal anti cheat would go a long way, but I have a suspicion that the cheaters might actually just be so far ahead of Valve at this point that the game will never be the same again. The detection itself needs a serious overhaul and the ability to auto ban with no chance of recovery. Since cheaters still farm cases, they are giving the community the ability to possibly forgive cheaters if they have a high enough trust factor. If every once in a while, they send red herring demos to players of blatant cheaters and those players don't submit it as evidence and those people get temp bans or something like that then I can say maybe it will work better.
32 bit integers?
Bro, you just reupload other people's content???!
cheaters are literally irl NPCs ingame which is the funniest thing ever to me and they don't even realize
good stuff!!!
The fact that they removed Overpass is really weird, even if it's one of the *less* played maps, Ancient and Anubis are pretty much banned every game, why not remove one of those?
Cheating can’t be fixed in FPS games, it’s too far gone. There’s good hardware cheats on the market now that you don’t even need to pay for files to inject, you just plug a box into your usb slot and have auto aim/no recoil and lots of other cheats on any game you want and download the configs from a forum. They can’t do anything about hardware cheating. Besides the cheat devs are always one step ahead, whenever valve releases an update, most cheats have an update the same day or the next and it goes undetected again.
Ultimately you're slightly wrong, but I'm not going to fault you for your lack of knowledge. When DMA first started becoming a big issue, the CPU manufacturers we use today started working on counter-measures. Later they introduced something called IOMMUs, and this "completely" fixed the issue for a while. Then something called PCILeech was released and wrecked havoc. Then we got better at counter-measures against that. Then we started seeing more FPGA based DMA architecture. Then, and this is not common knowledge, Riot integrated IOMMU into their kernel anti-cheat. This basically lets them analyze memory access patterns in your I/O devices (DMA Hardware), which is why riot has been largely successful, albeit not completely, against DMA. So while you're right that Valve are at a disadvantage, you're not right about FPS games being doomed altogether. And to be frank, with Valve turning their focus towards AI, I'd hazard guessing that at one point they won't need anything else than it and overwatch. I don't think it'll ever be as good as a proper kernel anti-cheat, but I think they can get a whole lot better than they are today.
@@MikeWFX Nice writeup, it's rare to see someone be so knowledgeable about this stuff. Riot's Vanguard actually can put up a fight vs DMA cheats, they went into detail in their latest blogs. It's still an issue going forward but they are not unarmed.
I always Worried that enemy team has 5 stacks. In asian servers most of the 5 stack’s has at least one waller. Yesterday 1 of them got in game vac.
Not a fan of overpass but would rather mirage was removed...
L
Don’t give them credit for bare minimum
I love overpass
my digga
What does wish dish mean?
hes saying "wichtig" its german
pretty sure he's saying "richtig" which translates to right/correct
i love overpass
i wonder if theyll let people with vac bans on other games judge on overwatch
you cant even play other games if you have a vac ban on one
Vac bans blocks you from all vac games
of course you can play other games if you have a vac ban lol what
@@RyanRoberts-qf5et not other games that are vac secured
@@Avedox4 how do people have multiple vac bans on the same account?
in my honest opinion, at least for wall hacks you can't ever use ai because for some players who are in the zone and somehow have really good intuition and sometimes even put their cross hair exactly where they think the ops are can look like as waller to an ai. There is an effect called hallucinations which even the most perfected Language Models do(like CHATGPT) where they make up false information with full confidence.
VAC 2.
Valve Allow Cheats in CS2 too.
I feel like theres more cheater on cs 2 than the old one.
@@greatsaiyaman4364there were always cheaters its just that because they have no “real anticheat” implemented right now pricks, even with skins on an account will continue to cheat
Im a simple man I see new ohnepixel content and i comment
I loved overpass I am gonna miss it. I hate inferno I wish that map would go
stopping all cheaters in all fps games that read memory is so easy , but they have to think out the box .the solution exist in overwatch 2 game. And they dont even need a kernel anti cheat or any kind of third software
Just bring back cobblestone..
to clarify: no captcha anymore checks what boxes you click, the ai is clever enough since atleast 10 years to do it better ;) ------ it checks your mouse movement and browser history to rule out you are a llm
cache best map
When you showed the bot tweet, i was thinking of you in the 1v10 bot. Allways Saying bot operator not being a bot ^^
Okayeg
oh yes
U just need data. The really hard think is to get the Data of cheater
this seems like a stupid idea. It's just prolonging the inevitable. And theres also a high risk that you could end up getting banned just by getting a couple lucky shots in a row. Just add kernal access it'll solve everything
You're a dumbass if you believe what you're saying lmao😂😂😂
@@MeowTow valve isn't a chinese company.
isnt this overwatch has same principle as twitter community notes, ''sometimes" they (so called trusted player) make weird judgement on ppl post or give unnecessary context.... Better use kernel bruh
@@galactikhexit’s only bad when China does it?
@@sfbrk5381 just put fkin faceit anticheat on it, this doesnt solve nothing, people still gonna cheat
Cheating provider will always be ahead of the anti cheat. Even with AI the cheat providers will just start using it as well to avoid detection. This will never end until it's against the law everywhere with actual punishments for the developers
I remember a real life friend of mine said that he was invited as a "Judge" for the League of Legends tribunal back when that was a thing - he never, and I mean NEVER gave a "not guilty" verdict. He said that found it funny that even if somebody was innocent, they could get punished - for every case that was given to him, he said that the person was guilty no matter what and he would laugh about getting the confirmation that his tribunal cases would result in punishments, when he claims to have never even reviewed the matches himself.
I can see that happening in CS2.
ohne, there is an ai that can full detect aimbot i forget the name of it but nonmatter what setting how legit it looks it will detect it, i think the same w walls (if i remember the name ill reply with it)
Dude it was a startup and full of cope shit. Marketing.
not real and AI has too many false positives or incorrect stuff. cant risk peoples accounts with AI because if it detects 1 false positive, say people are bhopping funny idk, and it just spams a ton of people that are bhopping, you have an issue. wont be for a while until people implement AI into any sort of security issue like that. true hardware/software detection and human peer reviews are still the way to go.
Ai can detect triggerbot easily, just see the ms rate they shoot at and if its consistently ridiculous or inhuman, ban. Detect walls? Maybe not, humans do stupid crap sometimes and get lucky. Detect aimbot, if the aimbot reacts faster then human reaction speed as in aim assist, yes, hold key aimbot, probably not. Bhop scripts, yes. Any visual cheat can be detected if it watches ure screen but that can easily be bypassed with some kind of advanced anti obs method.
All the baby brain people begging for kernel anticheat
Why does this guy care, go open a case...
bc this guy only care about glazing his cs2 fans/his viewers... so if there are chances that the game is getting better, thats a WIN for him as he can more GLAZE the game for his cs2 fans/viewers.
anti aim is banned rapid fire, no spread, so basically rage cheaters are gone or will get banned.
As of last night I have to disagree, 18k game and a guy was full auto bhop, no spread, etc
@@jebbyy32 ur dense
I can't wait for the great anti climax when everyone realises Valve are incapable of fixing the cheater issue in their own game. History always repeats in the end.
If it turns into cat and mouse game where cheating ai will emulate human behaviour to go off radar, I'm fine with that. At least there'll be no spinbots and lightcore cheaters are beatable alright.
ngl, they should just allow players to spectate random matches. to oversee it.
After it finishes give them a case. and if they watch enough give them a random key.
Only humans can see cheaters easy, software can’t otherwise CS would have no cheaters. Whatever this “Overwatch” thing is, it should be exactly that.
Software won’t save people from cheaters.
A.I. can very well detect cheaters using techniques humans would too when spectating.
Why does everyone believe that kernel is this magical fix there is more than a few games that have massive issues with cheaters with kernel anticheat
I banned many cheaters on overwatch csgo but it's time costly and i stopped using it because why would i spend time with no reward when it's ultimatively VACs responsability,, they get paid.
Its not a VAC update to add Overwatch.... DEVELOP VAC TO IDENTIFY IRREGULAR BEHAVIOR. LIke spinnbot, shoot faster then a gun possible can, snapping HS. Come on....
I'm not installing a root kit to play cs. At that point I will quit. I much rather have privacy and play with cheaters than having literal spyware with back-doors on my pc like vanguard for instance.
the solution is very intrusive anticheats, no overwatch or AI will end cheating. It only ends rage hacking, even silvers trying to hide their cheats badly dont get banned by overwatch. So imagine a player with +5k hours with very good game sense, including good aim and crosshair placements etc. You won't be able to understand if they're cheating or not, it's not that hard to hide a wallhack if you have high elo and l play good without hacks. aimbots are even way harder to detect, if they have a very small aimbot. THeres a line between very good legit hackers and good players, even AI won't know for sure if the user is just that good or hes cheating. the only way is by having very intrusive anticheats and still it doesnt meant that cheaters will end by 100%. Most cheats nowadays run on ring 0, and developers are putting a lot of effort in cheats development because there is a lot of money involved. maybe hardware anticheats like analusing face with a webcam and pointing another webcam to the screen haha and calculating mouse movement with sensitity and in-game sensitivity, resolution etc and calculate if the mouse movement done would be on the position where the user shot. so yes, the perfect solution violates privacy very deeply and nobody would want to take that far just to play a game
AI cheats arent a bad thing honestly, its the obvious ones that are annoying.
For example:
Will a "human like AWP ai cheater" be able to beat a 5 man rush?
I dont think so
Wall hacks are useless if the teamplay sucks , nades kills the hacker and you just win afterwards
Been cheating in CS since 2014.
I'm so happy OW is back.
Down with the ragers and bad actors.
This is great for experienced closet cheaters like me.
overpass is a boring ass map to watch at pro matches and for those who doesnt know smokes its really ct sided, so i'm not suprised to was removed.
only 20 views in 2 minutes bro has fallen off
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I wish they got rid of mirage, inferno or vertigo noobs just can’t handle being shit at the game 😊
AI anti cheat is such a buzz word
The whole overwatch thing is f'n pathetic. "Hey do our job for us piggy, for free no less."
not awesome sauce, i got vac ban because of cheater in wingman team
10:05 chinese teams are bad on overpass so they bribed Valve
nah fuck overpass, all my homies love dust2
Ai cheats allready exist
No, NO NO, dont bring back OW.
Stupid $6.9 billion company wants us to do their job for free!
I did ow for so many games, wasting my fucking time I should be playing instead not wasting my time for free and do Valve's job, I invested money and now we the players have to do their job?
Sheesh
AI cheats can't be imperfect. so AI cheats will never be a thing. that's how captcha works aswell..
ngl as much as i support this game .....when the major update is a cheat update is just sad
So you have to have high wr to participate in overwatch, hmm who can see how this has got to be the DUMBEST FUCKING IDEA IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE
overpass is an awful map at low level play. no one knows callouts, lineups and its too easy to just get mowed down in monster
Overpass lags, and is boring to play in pugs
Haha, just played 2 games against obvious cheaters with WH and aimlock. Such a great anticheat. 😁
the cringe king
Early!
1st
Useless , if kernel becomes mandatory games gonna be dead.
Overpass was the best map. I am absolutely sad.
Overwatch is the dumbest slowest solution ever just pathetic
Ohnepixel, you’re an incredibly underrated streamer. You would get twice as much viewers and views by playing something other than cs2 every stream. Thoughts ma Drillas?
I already used an ai aimbot and it even worked perfectly on valorant never got banned (just wanted to see what happened never used it again since then)
Another useless cs2 update lol they will never be able to make as good as vgc
bruh VALORANT anticheat is million years ahead of CS 2 SMH
It works, at least, so ofc it's better
but the game is ass
@@710csnot that ass :)))))))
@@710cs yeah but I've never seen somebody got banned live while playing comp in CS2
not everyone wants a rootkit
So rude skipping his sponsor yet using this video fully to make yours? Couldnt you just make.your own video?
I agree with you but in other reactions videos he doesn't. Unless this is a special case where he doesn't trust that site. He has done skin sites ADs in the past but just for only two sites.
(Sorry for my bad dialect I'm not a native speaker)
@@qpwk i like ohne but he should make his own content.
He skipped it because he skips gambling ads
@mopper13 ohh but he reacts to the gambing sponsorship content? Kinda the same.thing but not.
If you are going to react to someone else's content you shouldn't blow past their sponsor. shit is cringe
bro, i would appreciate not to support russian streamers...
Overwatch: make the community work for you and ban the cheaters 🤡
Why is that a bad thing...