Mastering YouTube Royalty Free Music "Cielo" with the RND Master Buss Processor and Antelope Pure2
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sound way more congested now....the attack release settings are off for the song... the drums grooved was killed and the hihat now mask the snare ...the kick sound tiny and over compressed... and more width with the Brainworx??? ...mmmmmm
I had the same thoughts, no offense to OP
Very informative, I really enjoy how you emphasize that changes should be made by ear and you show the listening process as supposed to the generic youtube videos telling you exactly what to dial in (which doesn't work that well at all).
+Jack Russell thanks for this Jack! This is exactly the feedback I’m looking for. Thanks for watching!
Jack Russell z
Dude that was amazing for a mp3! CMOC MAN! Dope!
Thank you!!!
Just got a pure 2 I cant wait to connect it with my apollo expanded system and my dangerous 2buss...
+Teyerance Alfred mine’s brand new too! I love it!
The L.A. Recordist I am having a little trouble with my routing
+Teyerance Alfred I had some trouble at first too, and the manual isn’t much help... find me on FB or IG or email me (will at doublehookrecords dot com) and let’s chat
The L.A. Recordist I found you on IG
AMAZING. I love the Portico II.
I've been eyeing the MBP for quite some time now. I have one question though: Isn't mastering using headphones generally a bad idea? In my experience, headphones don't really tell the truth often, and things generally sound better on headphones than on speakers.
+Linus Brendel glad you asked Linus! And thanks for watching! Perhaps the most important thing on any set of headphones or speakers is to spend hours and hours listening to everything you possibly can on them to get intimately familiar with your own system. I have dedicated most of my listening time to learning these DT 1770 Pro headphones inside and out and while I do have some amazing monitors (you can see them in the background), I actually know how things will translate in the real world better on these headphones than anything else.
Check out - Mr. Speakers Aeon Flow closed back headphones. In my experience planers offer a more accurate reference, especially the aeon or ether c flow.
Good job. 20 min master. 👌🏾
⚡️🎛⚡️ love the MBP, I use mine on every mix at least once (or many times)
It’s a beast! Not my favorite to recall though, so I try to stay minimal with it these days
Sounds great
Thanks Chase!
How to use Pure2?
How to connect with Presonus AR16C Mixer and Pro Tools?
How to convert audio? Plz
those drums are smackin!!!! they sound so good!
Thanks dude! Amazing how the MBP can breathe new life into a completely slammed track
Congrats Will. I love my PURE2 too !1 Happy New Year man !!!
can you use pure 2 instead of a sound card ?
I finally got it bro... thanks for all the info.
Congrats!!!
Borza Mastering thanks bro👍🏾
Awesome, tomorrow my MBP unit arrives!! Can't wait! :)
Oooh congrats!!! Did you get the black one?
@@WillBorza Yup! Its Black and now also in My rack! Its absolutely brilliant, what an intricate piece. We're getting acquainted now :P
So cool!!! Just remember, engaging the red silk adds a dB in addition to harmonics and a high end boost, so don’t be fooled by the louder=better effect.
@@WillBorza there is so much to learn with this piece. And louder better won't fool me quickly I think, or at least I try to be mindful and have reasonably proper acoustics& DA. I tend to work with acoustic/orchestral elements often, Besides electronics also, and so far it's my limited experience that they very quickly tell you if you're messing with their authentic sound in an unintended way.
@@WillBorza My god the ms to comp is incrreeeeddible.. took me a bit to figure out how the function of the knobs changed in that state.. absolutely beautiful stuff. It's honestly a piece that keeps on giving
Blue silk gang
Lfg
-Jonny Grande
Great Video! looking forward to the new ones. Keep up the good work.
+Joey Fernandez thanks dude!
That was great! Will, what a toy!
Yeah man! I'm stoked on it. It's an absolute pleasure to work with tools like these!
Hi bruv .. how does the chain look like ? which one goes first... from protools ? why need that portico? sorry my ignorance
hi all right can you explain how to do to route
2 neat as cable connections so that I can put my gantry in the 3.4 range? yes after making the print
I’m not sure I understand the question. But some hardware has trims that you can adjust to get signal to hit it at different levels. Otherwise, you’ll have to gain stage digitally in your computer to hit it at different levels.
Do you use a audio interface with pure2 cause I'm just using it as a interface but the Latency still ain't fast enough. So is I'm using it wrong and do you suggest I get a audio interface and use the pure2 what its meant for
Maybe a UAD Apollo might be a better general purpose interface if you’re doing a lot of recording and mixing. Pure2 is really meant for mastering where latency isn’t a huge deal
@@WillBorza ah man thank you alot I'm just grab me a interface I'm look into had apollo too thanks highly appreciate it
Whats up with the Master fader with plugins? You gonna bounce this print?
Mixplace Online just metering stuff on the master. Null test comes out perfectly clean so I’m not bothered by it. If it wasnt a perfect null I wouldn’t do it 👍
Man I just purchased your same set up with the Pure 2 and the Portico. I have not being able to use it since I don't know how to set it up... would you mind explaining that to me please?
So good fantastic video I like the neve
+Majed Alrayan thanks for watching man! Are you a mastering engineer?
why not lower some of the low end ? 200hz and 100hz -2.4db because it sounds muddy it has too much bass and don't master using only a headphone !! great video though .
Nice Job Man!
Thanks for watching man!
Why are you mastering an Mp3? The Pure2 is not going to improve that
Interestingly enough, the MBP/Pure2 combo does indeed add valuable musical harmonic distortion up in the range where MP3 pulls the most musical data from, so actually yes, the Pure2 does improve an MP3! ✌️
@@WillBorza Touché
Great demo, thanks.
Hey bro, quick question. In todays time would you say a portico is all you need to master a song. Or would you still consider eq and a compressor?
King Ech EQs and Compressors are essential tools if you want to be a professional mastering engineer!
nice thanks bro. I also took your advice from last time when you said to get the speakers first. I did. So now I'm looking at the portico to complete my home studio mastering needs.
King Ech what speakers did you end up getting?
Neumann KH310 bro.
You need great converters too so once you send signal out of the box you don’t lose quality
Hello friend, could you do a tutorial on how to configure pure 2 with pro tools please thanks
It totally depends on your setup. I’d suggest setting the I/O directly on the Pure2 interface itself rather than it’s software. It seems to make more sense (at least to me) on the device itself 👍
Very practial and cool video. Thanks!
Hey thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed :)
do you hear any significant A/D-D/A conversion from your symphony ? I am thinking about pure 2 for my analog summing print box.
+mil pro night and day difference man! The pure 2 is on a completely different level!
thanks for the reply
After 4 years what you thing of mbp portico ii.
Still the GOAT
Thanks
do you like the antelope better then the apogee?
For mastering, absolutely. Incredible converters, very musical.
But as a company... Antelope has been having trouble recently. If something breaks, good luck getting a hold of them.
Borza Mastering What’s your thoughts on the Universal audio converters?
Minister Travis great for mixing, but won’t do that cool clipping thing that mastering engineers do
Borza Mastering I’ve been torn. I have Apollo now but thinking about a symphony or a zen tour 🤦🏿♂️
Minister Travis my vote would be for symphony! Especially with their new mastering grade card that you can install in there (2x6 SE I think it’s called?)
Amazing track !!
What up bro 1st time coming across your channel been looking into getting the pure2 with the MBP could you do a how to video showing how you connected the pure2 with the MBP
Hey man! The physical routing is pretty straightforward. XLR ins and outs to the MBP ins and outs. The software is where it can get tricky but there are a few videos out there showing different options for monitoring depending on your setup
Listening to the track when you were mastering it, it sounded like crap, but we got to hear the actual good version at the last like 10secs of the video. is there a way to hear it better as you do it? I'd like to have a setup like this. Do you have/can you do a video of the setup and routing? Are you using a headphone amp or anything like that? Thanks
No headphone amp, just using the headphone out on the Pure2. It sounds great! Thanks for watching!
Routing is super easy - there’s 2 ins and 2 outs on both the Pure2 and the MBP. Connect them to each other and you’re off to the races!
Borza Mastering What about Clocking? Is it necessary? And I’m guessing it’s just USB to the laptop with no extra hardware needed other than an iLok.
Borza Mastering Maybe I’m confusing the need and use of Wordclock for something else.
Yep, it’s USB. And the Pure2 has a phenomenal built-in clock
Mr.Borza! Use my audio next!
+Jon Palomo dude yes! Also, I still owe you 4 videos. You have the 1 big one though right?
The L.A. Recordist yes Sir!
Question bro I have an Apollo Twin duo and I’m getting into using outboard gear. I have a pair of klark eq’s a warm audio bus compressor and a tascam Da 3000 for printing the track. My question is what else can I add to my chain so I can get a decent master and are the Apollo twin converters any good?
You need a interface that you can bypass the preamps unless your fine with unison preamps
Is the Pure 2 still good it's over 5 years old now? Or is there a better converter for the same type of money now if you were buying today?
I use the Pure2 every day still! I’ve also added a Lynx Hilo to my system. Two boxes, two different sounds, both excellent and one or the other will work better for any given song.
@@WillBorza Ok I just didn't want to buy a Pure 2 and then find out there's a better newer Converter for the same or less money? The Pure 2 has been around a long time now?
Yep. Antelope now makes one called the Amari which looks cool but I haven’t tried it
@@henrygentles1894 dude - all converters from 2008 onwards pretty much sound the same. They all use the same converter chips. So unless the clock source is that bad, they’re all the same, unless you’re doing scientific audio testing at 192kHz or higher. I could never tell the difference between my Hilo and my Focusrite. Why? Because they’re both neutral. The differences people hear are due to the way that some converters distort on the way in or add saturation via harmonics. But you can do that with a tape emulator outboard device before going back in. Many pro mix and mastering engineers use MOTU... why? Because the units just work. Nowadays, it’s more about getting the configuration you want in terms of inputs and outputs and any extra digital connectivity, and stable and low-latency drivers, vs. actual differences in converter quality. Look up the loop back tests that people have done. Even a built-in computer sound card will probably pass a null test after 10 or even 100 round trips of being recorded directly from the output to the input! Also, don’t forget, CD audio was always digital audio. So, how come they don’t all sound shoddily converted on disc (A/D), and how come even cheap CD players at home in the late 80s/90s could play them back just fine (D/A)?
Wonderful.So did you limit this track with the MBP and is this apt for mixing also??
just found your channel great!!! what headphones are you using?
Beyerdynamic DT1770’s
cool, but if you just used tape you would not need much of anything. It sounds good the way it is.
Is it worth gettting a portico MB if i have a focusrite clarett 8 pre or its better to get a better AD DA converter? happy to hear your thoughts
Get a better ad da converter
Good Job Man!
Aren't those tracks already mastered? Also they are in mp3 format which really doesn't work correctly.
The analog stage is gonna add some juicy harmonics that will fill in some of the stuff that the MP3 encoding stripped out, but you are correct: it is not ideal to be mastering from an MP3, but sometimes that’s all we have to work with and it’s more than adequate for a RUclips video like this one.
The tracks in RUclips’s Royalty Free library are hit and miss. Some are self-mastered, some are not, and I’d venture to say that almost none of them are professionally mastered.
But here’s the real test: if you skip to the end of this video and listen to the before/after, does one sound better than the other?
Good job buddy (Y)
Thanks for watching Big N!
Hey Man, I got the Uad apollo 8 blackface and the dangerous DBox. Ive been thinking about adding the pure 2 to my setup. Whats the best way to implement the pure 2?? I mean should I bypass the converters of my apollo 8 or use the pure 2 for mastering the summed mix once the mix has been recorded back in the box??
Using the Pure2 for mastering the DBox sum sounds like a good plan. Given your setup, the Pure2 would just be another slightly different flavor... might not give you as much flexibility as you’re looking for. Maybe consider getting an outboard EQ or Compressor before getting another converter. Can’t speak higher of the Neve MBP!!!
how much you charge for mastering? maybe 10 songs...theyre just demos... stereo demos... not the best but just want them better.
One million dollars. Or possibly free. Somewhere between those two most likely. Shoot me an email.
Great vid.f
Im using Apollo's UAD. Is there a big difference with Pure 2?
Thanks
The Pure2 has better converters, but the trade off is that you don’t get the UAD plugin line.
Great work bro. What's your signal chain. thanks.
I’m thinking about getting a pure 2 and running it with my uad plugins. Do you think a pure 2 and Apollo would be better than a symphony mk2 se??
Hey! It’s a bit of a toss-up. It’s a little bit like asking whether Pepsi or Coke is better. They’re two distinct sounds. I’ve used both and prefer Pure2 but that’s my personal taste and I would encourage you to try both if you can and come to your own conclusion 😀
Thanks for the video. Can you go detail how to calibrate input and output with PT? I think I got DA for the analog but the analog AD I don't know how to set it up with PT. BTW I got both pure2 and MBP so you can use them as it.
+Allen Aung hey man! Thanks for watching! I used a 1kHz sine wave at line level to calibrate the Pure2. I put the Pure2 in manual mode and used the screws in the back to get the levels I wanted. There’s many ways you can get there - DA low gain, AD high gain, or vice versa. I tried to shoot for medium/medium gain because the calibration screws are more precise in the middle than they are at their extremes. Does that all make sense?
I am sorry, I tried to route the way you did on this video and I got MBP to get to the level that you suggest by turning the a set (Left and right) screw on the back of the unit, I guess analog input of the signal which are output of the pure2. But how do I route PT to see any level changed with the other set of left and right screw and I guess going out of the MBP as a return signal.
+Allen Aung oh! Got it. I’d open up your favorite and most accurate metering plugin - I used Brainworx bx_meter - on the return audio track. Start by twisting the AtoD screws all the way down so that they’re well below 0 coming back in, then slowly bring them back up until they both just barely hit zero (or you may chose for them to hit at -.1).
HI , can i use ANTELOPE PURE 2 instead of my scarlett 2i2 sound card ? tnx :)
Yep!
@@WillBorza I think i am going for the new Discrete 8 SC
So how did you find the USB routing via Pro Tools to the Pure2? it’s counterintuitive, but works!
Took a bit to figure out the first time!
Yeah I had to dig really deep for several days, but finally got it, Thanks to your routing examples for confirming it. The Aux channel was the trick. Configuring the Mac, then Pro Tools, then the Pure2 I/O with their confusing driver App, and throw in the UAD-2 was a mind bender, like opening a barrel of monkeys. For 30 years I’ve been simply routing AES thru dedicated interfaces, sooo easy. Configuring and Routing USB audio the total opposite, invisible & not documented anywhere.
This should be called: How to make pancakes with a Neve MBP.
Bro pancakes are delicious!
hi! just wondering at what point did they change the sc freq 125hz to 250hz? i just got the MBP.thank you
Good question! Probably around the same time they added a “bypass all” button in the middle
@@WillBorza thanks for the info! How is yours working out for you!?!
It’s my desert island hardware. If I lost everything in a fire, I would buy this box again first.
friend good morning look I saw your youtubr channel and I found the topic of mastering and mixing interesting through the different hardwares you use but I'm about to decide more for pure 2 since I would like to have a better mix but above all the great doubt this device does not work or do not work as a dangerous analog summing type? It is my doubt because if I already have the mixed tracks and tracks and I would like to give that depth, background silence, subtlety, definition and stereo image of the sounds in the mix and power it is necessary to complement it with a separate analog adder such as the dangerous one to route the tracks of that dangerous to pure 2 and from there connect it to the pc? Or is this machine capable of doing the summing process alone and does not need any other equipment? I would like to know the most basic setup that you recommend if I buy the pure2 that complements it in the Mastering chain to achieve the final sound I want from the tracks, I thank you soon
Hi! The pure 2 is just 2 channels: left and right. For analog summing, you’ll need an additional summing box (like the dangerous, or neve 5059), but you’ll also need an audio interface that has more outputs than the Pure2 can offer you. Have a look at an Apogee Symphony maybe.
Hey Will, I was hoping I could ask you a question! My studio has been coming along nicely over the last few years but I'm looking at a few upgrades this year including a new PC, and a proffessional interface/converters. My long term goal Is to have a studio I can track drums, a full band, and also mix and master. So I guess my question is can you give me some reccomendations for some interfaces, or converters/clocking, as my studio will be made up of outboard preamps and gear rather than a phisical console! Also Im not worried about needing a summing amp, my goal is to do my mixing/mastering in the box/Portico MBP. So basically I just need enough inputs and outputs to do drums and or drums and a live band so, up to at least 24 channels min to be safe! So ya, just hoping for some guidance and suggestions! Thanks brotha!
Nice man! Congrats on moving up in the Audio world! If you already have 24 preamps, I would recommend going with an Apogee Symphony with two 16x16 Analog I/O Cards (or one 16x16 and one 8x8). If you don't have 24 preamps yet, I would go for something like the Antelope Audio Goliath HD. If you're using something like a mackie board for it's preamps, I would also go for the Goliath because the preamps will be much better than what you have. You can always start with a Goliath and then buy preamps as you go as well. What do you think? Have you been eyeing anything in particular?
Hey Will, sorry I took so long getting back to you! So I checked out the Antelope and the Apogee
Symphony I/O Mkii and out of both of those I would have to say the Apogee makes more sense to what I'm going for as I dont need to have any preamps on my interface, just the I/O, Conversion, and clocking! The big thing that still makes me contemplate is while the Apogee has what I need, and is flexible in terms of growing in I/O , It is only Thunderbolt While the Goliath has many more hookup and routing options. Also , will the Symphony I/O work on a Windows PC Setup? Thats my only worry! Also Is only having Thunderbolt going to be a good future proof investment? Okay, but before we jump to a conclusion, to answer your question here's what I've also been eyeing! 1)- RME Fireface UFX+ - It has Thunderbolt and Usb 2 and 3 compadability, and room for lots of I/O but not sure if the I/O routing is ideal, I guess its mainly MADI and Im still new to alot of that stuff and have alot to learn in terms of routing I/O stuff! So theres that, and its quite abit cheaper but not sure if the conversion and clocking is on the same par as Apogee and antelope! 2)- Maybe Antelope makes a similar thing as the Goliath in terms of Conversion/Clocking and can get me 24 channels of Ins/Outs but without the extra mic pres and some other stuff???The ORION 32+ Maybe???and lastly, lol, I was thinking since I dont need to have preamps in my rig , I saw a setup that TRUE SOUND STUDIOS on youtube is using, he has a video on it, it's just essentially two seperate SSL Alpha Link Converters, one is 16in/4out unit and one is 16out/4in , and you can link up to 4 units, or SSL makes a 24in/24 out unit aswell(thats what I would look at getting) and then he links the SSL with an Apogee Big Ben Clock, and an SSL MADI Extreme 64 Card, and hes basically running his console with it, but I would be running just racked preamps etc! I like the idea of this setup because I can grow it as my studio grown in I/O, and Im not paying for mic pres on the unit etc. But the cons in my opinion is that it wont be a very mobile rig, but Im not to worried about that. The other con is obviously money lol. It would be in the ballpark of an Apogee or Antelope though! The RME on the other hand will be the cheapest option, and gives me lots of I/O and TB and USB 3, which I like! So In end all of them would work , but what I would be worried about most is obviously sound quality/stability/reliabilty #1 and number two routing and compadability with my system, well actually obviously compadability is number one but you get my drift lol. So , thats where Im at , but when I think about it , I will still need time and help to decide. Bigest questions are , will the Apogee be compadable with a pC/Windows? Does Antelope make any other options for what I need , Orion 32+?? etc, Will the RME and SSL / Clock setup be on the same par as Antelope and Apogee? Thats all I can think of right now! Thanks Will, This part of things has by far been my biggest challenge of the process so any and all guidance and advice is so valuable and I will be in debt to you! If you are willing to work with me to design and plan my setup, I can pay you for your time !
Unfortunately, I believe Apogee is Mac OS only! So don’t go that direction if you’re building a Windows system... the Antelope Orion 32 HD might be your best bet. It’s USB 3 and has HDX compatibility if you decide to dive into Pro Tools HD someday. RME is ok. In shootouts, I think the general consensus was that the Orion beats out RME.
Okay thanks alot Will. I still am going to consider the Goliath, there are actually 2 different models of the Goliath I think, but the Orion is looking like a good option aswell. Also I dont mean to keep bugging you but what do you think about getting seperate converters and Clocking as opposed to an interface? Do you think theres any pros/con's to getting converters and seperate clocking?
If you have a lot of digital pieces in your studio, you absolutely need a master clock to keep them in sync with each other. Otherwise, a master clock won’t do you much good
got an email please...
oh hey dude, love the vids if u ever need some stock tracks to use your more than welcome to use any of my stuff hit me up anytime great stuff!!
Lol, he used a RUclips Royalty Free-Song. That's telling me that he has no music.
Stopped watching after you said: "In mastering we COMPLETELY ignore that idea".
Someone hasn't learned about the magic of clipping through high-end converters yet :) Do some research, then feel free to come back and finish the video lol
Clipping through converters... Yeah, you're absolutely right boy.
"Feel free to come back", pff give me a break.