USS Forrestal Survivor/ Cliff Ashley
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- NewsClip24.TV's interview with Cliff Ashley, 1967 USS Forrestal Fire surivivor as he recounts the event in this 10 minuet interview shot for the documentary film USS FORRESTAL. The burning Ballet.
I served aboard the USS Forrestal for 39 months as a Radioman. I was a plank owner. It was a shock to me to hear of the fire. I left the Navy in 1959, so I was not there for the fire. But I could always imaging how it must have been. May God rest the souls of those who died that day.
JohnC USS Navy Veteran, RM2
It was accidentally fire from an F-4 across the deck from the line of A-4's
This is the story i have had confirmed many times. john mccain wet started his plane shooting huge flames into a plane behind him loaded with old questionable 1000 lb bombs . one exploded, i could be wrong, but anyway, most of his shipmates hated him and called him johnny wetstart.
He did many horrible things including making treasonous recording against america while as a POW. they also called him songbird. anyone have more exact detail ????
I also think he was part of the MK ultra trauma based mind control program and was used by those controlling the war.
He did wet start, it touched off a fuel pod and the F-4 missile fired due to faulty electrical pigtail. His daddy Admiral John S. McCain Jr. had little Johnnies "accident" covered up.
did the nva award him to be an enemy ace for taking out that many planes
John McCain did it. He was fooling around.
My dad was on the USS Forrestal when it blew up that day, he had PTSD the rest of his life and passed away four years ago. Everyone of these guys were hero's except John McCain, what a piece of shit he is. Prayers for all the other Navy Vets who survived that horrible day!
I'm very sorry Mr.Kay....crew members are never mentioned in the stories we see.
Sorry about your Dad, he is a true American HERO, if it was just up to me I would put songbird in front of a firing squad and give the wife's and kids a front row seat, what eats me up is they will give him a full military funeral, know that alot of us know he's a murdering globalist traitor
So I guess you didn't vote for him?
Heck, such an experience would make want to vote for Obama!
Sorry for your loss
kevin kay it was not McCains fault.
Hi, Cliff. Thanks for recording your recollection of the events that day. I was ship's company on the USS Bon Homme Richard CVA-31 (V3, V6 and COD Crew). On that day we pulled within visual range of the Forrestal as smoke billowed from the flight deck. We provided firefighting crews to assist with the blaze and evacuated many of the wounded to our ship. It was truly an All Hands effort. If memory serves me correctly the Forrestal proceeded to Subic Bay in the Phillippines before returning to the States. Like many I've watched flight deck video of the disaster and recreations of the event. The Forrestal crew fought bravely and courageously to control the fire and literally save that ship. On that day, many heroes were made and sadly some were lost. Thank you for your service and for preserving your account of the events that day.
I attended the CG/naval firefighting class in Virginia in 1980, the first thing they show you is film of the USS Forrestal Fire and the mistakes made. Later I learned the truth of what caused the fire. The NAVY buried the truth.
It seems to me, if more "MORONS" "DISPUTED" or Questioned "THE FINDINGS OF THE ACCIDENT INVESTIGATION" or ANY investigation WE might not have the problems we are having now. I do not dispute the Zuni.
GET BENT! Lots of Words! ALL LIES!
michael murratti I do like my beer, and I agree with " Lots of Words! ALL LIES! " so lets open the records up "unredacted" including the records that were strangely "misfiled" for decades. A honest look. If proven, I will admit that I was wrong. Goes both ways I hope. Otherwise we just disagree, happens all the time.
the fire on the enterprise later was caused by a turbine tug's exhaust discharging on a zuni pod for several minutes. then at least the fire fighting was done with foam. so they didn't wash burning fuel below. in that case no blame was given
Yes, I am not familiar with the enterprise, but the foam and water shower cancelled each other out on the Forrestal, and then consider the first 2 fire fight teams walked into hell, and honestly I cant see them doing anything else. Those are the real Heros, walked into hell, and knew it.
Johnny Wet Start I was aboard the Forrestal Tiger Cruise in 1980, and everyone knew about McCain.
You fucking jackass! No one on that ship in 1980 was there when that fire happened in 1967. How fucking stupid can you be?
Nimrod Quimbus I do have to laugh at your ignorance. A tiger cruise 13 years after the event. By then it was in thr realm of folk lore. And yes, I was navy. 26 years. My first ship was Enterprise the 1967 deployment.
you guys must be Hilry supporters
Nimrod Quimbus no fucktard, I’m not a Hillary supporter. It’s called having a brain with critical thinking skills combined with straight up experience on how flight ops work on a carrier and the fact that I’m an aircraft mechanic who knows what a wet start is. You are truly a disgrace as an American and one of the most weak minded people I have ever come across.
People that have brains are temperate, know how to speak, and make points without calling names....Believe what you want, you are also lying about being a mechanic.
Cliff Ashley, I was a Quartermaster on the USS Rupertus (DD-851) on July 29, 1967. We were on plane guard that morning and were the first ship alongside to assist with firefighting help. Our lifeboat picked up a Forrestal crewman who jumped off the flight deck right before the first explosion. I further remember that the Forrestal lost a man overboard around 0300 that morning. I had the 0400-0800 watch and watched the search. We on the bridge heard him holler help, and watched as the helicopter swooped in to pick him up. He lost his grip about 5-10 feet out of the water and he was never found after that. Little did we know what was going to happen later that morning. I'm also from Dallas, TX.
IAM FROM GARLAND...I WAS ON AND I SAW THE MISSIL FIRED ROM MACAIN,AND HES A VIETCONG,RUSSIAN ....ACCORDING TO CNN....GODDAM,....RA MEANS SUMPIN........,ONE WAY......RA.....1964.....
Conspiracy Theorista I was on a Destroyer that was attached to plane guard the Forrestal. Saw the whole thing.
YOU LYIN DOG,....YOUR A A TROLL THAT WANTS TO SMEAR A HERO....ILL SEE YOU IN HELL....AND IT WONT BE FUNNY.....
I DONT AGREE WITH MACS POLICTICAL AGENDA,BUT BEIN A POW ,IHAVE TO SAY SOMETHING IN DEFENCE OF THIS BRAVE MAN.....TO START WITH....HAVE YOU EVER FLEW A JET?OFF A CARRIER?ECT..IF YOUR NOT THERE YET,HOLD OFF ON ALL YOUR BULLSHIT.....POLITILCALY I DONT LIKE A LOT OF HIS BULLSHIT,....BUT I KNOW THIS....YOU CANT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER....
Ron Pen Why don't you stop embarrassing all of us Veterans with your childish capital letter Rant. After McCain, your hero, was captured American Aircraft shot down over N. Vietnam went up 60%. So much so that the Navy had to change their times and routes to strategic targets. Mccain was nicknamed SONGBIRD by the North Vietnamese and given special treatment for the info he was giving them. Not to mention the Anti U.S. tapes he made for them while his fellow POW's were being tortured. Mccain is a piece of shit and continues to prove it every single day. Why would any former POW vote against going back to Vietnam and searching for possible living MIA and POW's?? I hate to soften your Boner for SONGBIRD but the guy is a pure scumbag.
Lots of baloney in these comments about McCain. He didn’t have anything to do with it. He just happened to be near the line of fire. He was fortunate to get to safety.
His admiral father and grandfather got songbird off and released while letting others rot and pulled full stops for getting others prisoners rescued!!
His grandfather was an admiral, yes, but since he died in 1945 I find your story a little hard to believe. Also, seeing as how he was only released when the war ended in 1973 - (along with 108 other prisoners of war) I fail to see how his daddy and (very) dead grandfather got him out early.
God bless these poor families.
So at the end Cliff Ashley said he had written John McCain TWICE asking if John remembered how he got off the flight deck. I take it McCain never replied. Why would McCain not reply? Rude? Just wondering.
He was wounded and along with other wounded, transferred to another ship for medical care.
Johnny wet start that was McCain's nickname he did this stunt so often
You're full of shit, and a liar.
You're making the accusation, the burden of proof is on you, not me.
@DJexs Planes idiot. And the A-4 does is not capable of a "wet start".
McCain was remembered as, "Johnny Wet Start" in 1980 aboard the Forrestal during a Tiger Cruise that I was on.
+ Nimrod Wow you have change my mind. All these people the have commented on these threads, and you're the one that helped me see the light, from your extensive knowledge gain on the tiger cruise. This by the way is known as sarcasm
The truth needs to be unleashed to the people.
my wife's girlfriend was with a guy who was on the Forrestal during fire. he said things went from normal to bad to worse in record speed. there was no training manual for what was happening. there is now though. I hope.
I used to visit the Forrestal when I was stationed at Mayport mid eighties. I would try to borrow parts and tools. The guys gave me a little tour and they talked about the fire. They all said it was a guy named McCain who had cooked off the missile with his jet blast. The scuttlebutt back then even twenty years after the event was McCain caused the fire. EN1 Steve M. USS Boone FFG-28
He's a hero they say what to the Muslims is that why he sides with Obama and claims to be Republican I personally see the news and these public figures just like Jerry Springfield
Scott Grudziadz I to was on board and you are yourold man are a liar McCain did not start that fire!
@Scott Grudziadz thank you, McCain should have died in prison for starting the Forrestal fire.
Never happened
had an instructor @ NAMTD Jax that was on the Forrestal had a steel plate in his head - told us a sidewinder was reading the exhaust on a huffer , sheared the pins in the hard mount -- boom
There's your hero. No wonder we lost the war.
Thanx Ms .Horton....you are a blessing! Years ago I thought I read something pertaining to this topic.
Working on the flight deck of a carrier is the most DANGEROUS job on the planet.Next Witness.
I joined the ship in dry dock after the fire. I was an airdale out of willow grove NAS assigned to Flight deck Avaition Ordinance. Navy only paid half hazard duty pay as crazy as that sounds. I transferred to blue shirt plane handler and ran a Tilly bar for A4s it was an honor to replace the men who sailed on her prior. Go Navy......
One fact stands out on both the Forrestal and the POW incidents involving MCCAIN. His crewmates wanted to arrest him and throw him overboard. In the Hanoi Hilton his mates wanted to shut him up permanently because they knew he was known as the Prince and betrayed B52 bombing run positions. Those closest to him knew the truth about his hotdogging and dangerous engine wetstarts. Many died instantly on the Forrestal when an A4 pilot dropped 2, 1000 lb bombs on the deck and they cooked and exploded. A wet start spills fuel on the deck and helped the catastrophe along. Don't doubt honest POWs who knew McCain and those brave men who previously fought the fire while McCain got below not helping, watching on CCTV. Apparently uninjured. Then R and R in Saigon and Paris.
Again Nixon pardoned him for war crimes. Watch current and past Vietnam war documentaries. He was implicated in passing on everything he knew to the North Vietnamese. Bombing runs had to be halted to Hanoi in 67,68 because they knew exactly where to put the AAA. Hanoi John was his other name.
Where did you get the information that McCain's crew mates wanted to arrest him and throw him overboard?? And he was a POW after he served on the Forrestal, not before. I didn't like McCain because of his politics in the Senate, but all these unproven conspiracy theories make us look as bad as the Democrats with their innuendos and outright lies about President Trump.
@@sueayers7065 you are contradicting what was commented. Do your own research with the TIME magazine article, talk or listen to interviews of those who were there and knew McCain. The aircraft disaster was first, the PO W disaster, second as per my comment.
Oh McCain was not a supporter of Trump by far and continued his hatred as evidenced by his votes. I support Trump, McCain did not.
Alan, can you offer any proof that his crew mates wanted to arrest him and throw him overboard. If those closest to him knew the truth died instantly on the Forrestal then how do you have this information? Who cares if McCain did not support Trump. Plenty of people don't support Trump. Trump is only out for himself. Notice every time he goes to golf, which he claimed he would never have time to do, it's at one of his own properties? Care to guess why that is? Those rooms for the Secret Service and anyone else that has to go with him don't come free. I'm sure you were all up in arms about Obama golfing all the time. Yeah, fuck Trump!
@Da Koynul This accusation was well documented. Look it up. Ask the survivors. They had to stop bombing runs because the NVA were being songbirded.
I have sen the actual flight deck footage from 1967, in 1972, that shows the rocket firing into McCain's plane. I was getting ready to go aboard my Aircraft Carrier, The USS America and this footage and a training film called 'Trial by Fire' is required to be seen by all.
So why didn t they report on it instead of hiding the whole issue
I guess I need to go over this again. I actually saw what happened...eye witness...and it was reported...in 1967.
Thanks for putting this up. It's good to hear from someone who was actually there! On a side note, does anyone know what the name/artist of that beautiful guitar music intro? Thanks again for your incredible story. Never knew what a "pollywog" was until now, lol!
Cliff Ashley - Thank you for presenting obvious truth. I say 'obvious' because I was Navy too. I was not on the Forrestal, or any ship, since girls couldn't do that then. But I did have friends who were on her.
Wow, I love sea stories even though I'm sure this is completely true, unlike most sea stories. You other sailors know what I mean. LOL.
I joined the navy in 72 and became an airdale. You wouldn't believe how they pounded this incident into our brains. Intense firefighting training as realistic as possible and hours of videos of this infamous incident.
My oxygen breathing apparatus ran out halfway through the burning building and I almost suffocated. Good times!
That incident apparently made a REAL impression on the navy.
As for Mccain I really dislike the guy at this point. TRUMP 2020.
As every Navy vet knows, Sea stories always start out with "This is no Bullshit" and then the bullshit starts.
So whats the difference between a sea story and a fairy tale?
A fairy tale begins with "once upon a time"
A sea story begins with "This ain't no shit"
one is about a charming prince that wakes the girl up with a kiss, the other is about a sailor that thinks he's charming and tells every one he gets the beautiful girl to lay him for free and expect them to believe him.
Trump 20/20
20 lashes and 20 years!
OBA? Hell we didn’t get an OBA when we went through the dome. That was in 1990. All we had was a cloth face mask. I coughed up black soot for 2 days.
FYI, wet starts can dump excess fuel on the ground. If the amount of fuel that flows on the deck is large enough and runs in the direction of the wing on the opposite side of the ship, when the engine is started it will ignite the fuel on the deck. McCain’s plane being pointed at the other plane or towards the open ocean makes no difference at that point.
Wet starts are accidents or malfunctions, not stunts.
Satch Mahoney , So, a giant blowtorch aimed at your face wouldnt matter. Especially if you were holding heat seeking missles which detonate at exaust temps. Your an IDIOT. Just like McBastard was. A?God damned TRAITOR then & been a TRAITOR ever since. Im GLAD that POS is back in hell from where he came to begin with.
you can do a wet start on purpose if you know what you're doing!
Only on planes that allow you to disable the igniters from inside the cockpit. And if you did it on purpose you'd never fly for the military again.
No I wasn't, but I was an A-4 mech and I know when something is impossible. You might as well blame McCain for the Challenger explosion.
I was in the royal navy from 1967-1974. I did an advanced firefighting course for 2 days. The Forrestal was mentioned during the course. In the Royal Navy every sailor is a firefighter so if the primary firefighter are killed the firefight continues. The firefighting course was very realistic and frightening.
I'm not taking any sides, but I have a few questions...the History Channel did a documentary on this & said the pilot was Jim Bangort(sp?), he flipped the switch at 10:51 am that sent an electrical anomaly, of which the safety pin was not in & that started the chain of events. Where was McCain in this? That doc could also have wrong info. Also if Tokyo Rose is a propaganda tool, could they have been forcing McCain to read that script bcuz they knew he was the prince? Propaganda was used all the time in WW11 and in the Gulf War, so if I'm missing info, I'm sorry, I just started reading of these events since McCain's passing.
Update: There are docs on RUclips that interview those who were there, lieutenants, etc. McCain's A4 was on fire as his aircraft was hit & he was hit with alot of shrapnel, since the Zuni from an F4 hit next to him. There are film footages where u can see this in 'then' real time. Pretty horrific. The trained firefighters were wiped out & had to train in a nano second others. They used water that spread the fuel flames further & foam, which would have been the ideal, but the water diluted the foam. Many errors were made that day. Discovery has docs, also. To all who were there, I'm glad u made it back safe & condolences to family/friends of those who didn't.
In other countries, it's known as propaganda, in the United States it's known as cover your a$$. You need to remember that the liberal democrats control the media, that includes television documentaries, so they have the authority and the tech to make you believe anything.
See www.JAG.Navy.MIL for the Forrestal fire facts. McCain had nothing to do with it.
Thanks to "wet start Jonny"!
You're a dumbass.
Just Watched "Seconds From Disaster S3E8 - Aircraft Carrier Explosion - USS Forrestal fire " Pherhaps you helped Dave Dollarhide A-4 Pilot Who broke his hip and elbow getting out of his A-4.
Thank you for your service!
SubaruAugust I
My late grandfather was on that ship 🚢.....he was in the navy as a salvage diver. Miss my pop pop ... Eddie Fadden
My Dad was an F-8 pilot stationed aboard the USS Forrestal when the accident occurred ...
I’m grateful to John McCain because it prevented my Dad from going to that idiotic war in Viet Nam ....
Other than that ... McCain ... P O S !!!
Hey man we did not have a F8 on that ship that I knew about. So I guess the only thing you wanted to do in this post is discredict McCain. It failed.
There was a guy named Paul Dupree from my home town of Waltham mass he was killed that day.29July 1967 he lived on lake street .his sign is still there.Paul went to the Waltham voc high school he was 23 he was born in 1944.
I worked with a woman who said her brother was killed on the deck of the USS Forrestal. Thank you Wetstart!!!
My son crossed the equator on June 20th,2017... 62 days later, Logan and 9 others were trapped after a tanker rammed the MCCAIN... Odd McCain had met the ship as he was entertained as he visited the museum at the Hunan hilton.
Equador, is not a word. Ecuador, is a country in South America, you can "cross Ecuador" but not on a ship. The Equator, is an imaginary line that you can cross in a ship as it circles the earth, here is a good definition. "An equator of a rotating spheroid (such as a planet) is its zeroth circle of latitude (parallel). It is the imaginary line on the spheroid's surface, equidistant from its poles, dividing it into northern and southern hemispheres."
My good friend Yeoman Norman Thomas died that day.
Nuff/Said.....didn’t Nixon pardon him!!!!!
Alfreds Hill resigned
No. No charges, no pardon. Rumor.
Alfreds Hill Their were 72 on the list for pardons. John was one of them.
BULLSHIT! Were you dropped on your Head?
There is no record at the DOJ to that effect.
I doubt he’s dead... and if he is- wasn’t a brain tumor.
It was a glioblastoma, like Ted Kennedy and Johnny Cochran.
That fire that was filmed and was used for firefighting training when I was in , I'm sure they still use it today.
God bless and thanks for having served to all commenters here.
Can some vet tell me what part of UCMJ McCain violated when he made his
recordings for the Vietnamese govt while in captivity.
Also, is there any truth McCain's wife will run fir HIS senate seat.
If thats not an indictment of how bad our political system has fallen.
Its says all there is to say how bought and paid for our govt is... They select a person that will continue the same policies.
I know it happens all across the country.
SonoBono's wife succeeded him and when Senator from Missouri? died they appointed his wife too. Priceless.
And regular folks wonder why they spend Millions for $100,000 a year job
No names wifes charity Smiles was pictured as the front in no names traitorous terrorist picks a few months ago! If they put her in every voter that votes for her is covering up for Isis and alqiuder terrorist attacks and have become part of the problem! Blood on their hands!
what sad was a few Pilots that where strapped in could of eject out but the seats where not hot still had pin in making the seats safe and a few pins the pilot can't get to
Dont know where you heard that from but after the pilots preflight the plane and get in the seat the plane captian pulls the last pin and counts them with the pilot then they are sucured for latter use. I to thought the pilots could eject but I was corrected by another sailor who was versed on the ejection seat and he said the zero ejection seat was not availiable until 69. One more point is even the seat you could eject from on the ground was not very reliable.
I am a Navy Vet, have meet so far i my life 3 men who were on the Forrestal, all have said You know John Mcaine did this, his fater Admiral of the Fleet, the same battle group, got his John Mcain off the Forestal to save his life from the crew and did the cover up for his son, Admiral John Mcain covered up his sons crimes that murdered so many navel officers and enlisted men
I was in kindergarten when the accident happened. I remember that day because there wasn't TV cartoons after school. All TV stations were covering the mishap.
I doubt your story.
Operations on a carrier are recorded 24/7 . The Forrestal was no exception. Every effort to continually improve operational readiness , efficiency and safety.
Watch, for yourself, the tapes of that day with crewmen of the USS Forrestal. Note the crew with water hoses washing the fire suppressant foam Sadly off the deck. The tape saves, for us, this tragic mistake but valuable lesson.
Also notice the Petty Officer run up to the aircraft loaded with ordinance encroached by flames. To assist it's pilot to escape. when a bomb fuses or "cooks off" the man evaporates in the cloud. The pilot sees he is doomed as well. Heroes one and all this crew fought for one another . The death toll could have been far worse. The tapes, the record of this fateful day are available. There Were many changes made after this event. There is no need for speculation or blind reliance on conspiracy theories. No need to be influenced with the hate mongering of political rhetoric. McCain was one of many who acted with honor and bravery. Every man a hero that day, not one dodged the draft.
God bless the men and women of our Armed Forces. Remember and honor those who did not run from their duty during a Draft. Fight for those veterans. There are politicians seeking to privatise the VA at the behest of special interests that contribute to their campaign . Special interests ready to make a fortune. You scratch my back I'll scratch yours bullshit going on disgraceful.. Pay to play wow I don't know about the technical definition of treason but that sure feels like it. Follow the money it is surprisingly easy to see the wealthy politicians enjoying all that luxurious lobby money. Open your eyes for our Vets people. It's not too late .... yet ...
I've never seen any full tapes of the incident. Show me where we can find the tapes you've seen. Also, you forgot to talk about your experience with wetstarts on a loaded deck.
@@TauntedTiger I did not intend to give the impression that I was on the Forrestal. I viewed portions of the tapes during conflagration control training.
I do know the tapes were integral to the exhaustive investigation of the incident. The tapes are available through the freedom of information act.
The political hit job on McCain is decades old. It's not surprising to see this disinformation dredged up in this trump era. The constant push of conspiracy theories. The loud and continuos extreme rhetoric of fear and hate. A daily Flood of propaganda, misinformation, alternative realities and outright lies. This parade of embarrassing, disgraceful arrogant behavior front and center on the world stage . Never ending scurrilous flow of scandals for whispered gossip and tabloid fare. Oozing corruption at the seams as felony convictions keep stacking up. POTUS 45 desperate for diversion not at all surprisingly seeks to trash the character of one who criticized him. Trump is a draft dodger with arrogance to consider himself superior to McCain. Bullshit. Period. I am continuing to accepting the findings of the inquiry . This attack on McCain is a political hit job.
Interesting. I worked with a woman who said her brother was killed decades ago on the deck of the USS Forrestal. FYI - Don't hurt the messenger but Q says McCain is/was traitor. I've only claimed John McCain is/was an awful person. In any case, you're spewing out politics like a dreadnaught battleship. For some clarity, I'm a libertarian, both parties could care less about me or my political opinions.
I can tell you about wet starts and I was there it did not happen. Also a A4 does not wet start
USS Liberty, √ it out.
Since I saw the Forrestal fire 'film', my 1st shipboard firefighting class, the 1st time some 50 yrs ago I figured him to be the type that when he hopped off the wing of that A-4, instead of joining a hose team he went and crawled under his rack.
He left the flight deck because he was not a part of the fire fighting party. He was a pilot and should have left the fire to the people who know how to fight it.
@@scottlanglitz2037 The Forrestal fire changed everything about fighting fires on ships. After the fire all men aboard a ship had to train to fight fires. You're right, a pilot would not have been expected to fight the fire at that time. A problem on the Forrestal was that most of the fire crew with training had been killed and when others who had no training aimed water hoses at the fire, it spread jet fuel across the deck causing a much larger fire. The Forrestal fire was very well investigated and the US Navy changed their training because of it.
Anne I agree fully with your statement. The Forrestal fire showed the Navy that everyone need at the least shipboard firefighting and all flight deck personnel needed aircraft firefighting. The thing a lot of people don't understand is those guys just kept going back after explosions. After the entire crash crew was killed the squadron personnel took over. And after many of them were killed or injured the ship personnel went into action on the flight deck the heroism displayed on that day was amazing. That's why I go after these guys who say McCain was at fault. Every time someone lies about this accident it just pisses me off.
@@scottlanglitz2037 I became interested in the history of it because my first husband served aboard the USS Rupertus later (after they aided the Forrestal) and I went to San Diego with him when he went to the firefighting training in the early seventies. Then he was on the US Henry B. Wilson when they rescued the Mayaguez crew and took the last hostile fire of the Vietnam war. So I appreciate history being told fairly and honestly like you do, even though I am not a McCain fan.....
Anne I was not a fans of his politics either.
The date posted in this video at time mark, 4:46, reads July 29, 1987. That's wrong. It should be 1967.
The all volunteer military has given the USA a huge bloated officers corps, more admirals than ships, thousands of bases all fully staffed with officers waiting for retirement. Enlisted are wasted on repeat trips to the oil wars so few enjoy retirement.
Whitey Ward. Truer words were never said. Shiny bum desk sailors. You get them everywhere. Pension pilots. Usually gay or Bi and privileged background. Love wearing their uniforms but hate getting their nails dirty, except in the head.
Minghell - "Usually gay or Bi and privileged background." Yeh, right, I mean right wing nonsense and exaggeration. There are over 350 US bases worldwide, plenty of room for desk sailors to wring out a retirement check, and a lot more money being spent to accomplish next to nothing except anger our world neighbors, but as for your slur against gays, bis, or offspring of privileged folks you've been listening to too much conspiracy radio. Read a book, then read ten more, only avoid the books from the conspiracy reading list.
Ammo Alamo. Please dont insult my intelligence and experience with your lame excuses. The navy has always been a home for gay men to prey on conscripts and desperate volunteers. Freemasonry is a gay circus because the main initiation is anal sex. You dont get beyond non com without lifting your trouser leg for the boys in charge.
That goes for every navy. Gays love their uniforms and privileges but they dont do front line unless its white powder on the coffee table.
You know this media does a real fine job of keeping the information from the public about these people. We need to do something here folks. I'm afraid it's going to come down to something real nasty!!!
1notgilty (below)......What you post below ....IS CORRECT. RUclips has deleted all responses to your post and WILL NOT allow additional responses to you. My Dad was a 20 year Fighter Pilot And is a Vietnam Veteran. While, like most Veterans, he does not sit around and discuss that war...he HAS talked with me about the USS Forrestal, HOW that crisis started, the deaths and injuries, the COVER UP that occurred, and John McCain. McCain’s action...DID CAUSE THE EVENTS THAT OCCURRED.
It's a lie.
Then Kelly you and your father are idiots if you belive McCains caused this disaster
U.S.S. James Forrestal - MJ12
*Crossing the Equator. l remember my first husband going thru that ceremony. Had video of it. I was mortified to see him treated like that. Wives should not see that.
He knew my brother Chuck, fire rescue.
Watch te actual footage, A Zuni rocket from an F4 launched into the drop tank of an A4. Its all recorded by the platt cameras
A 'stray voltage check' ( meaning no electrical charge is present-btw-even 'static electricity' can be a hazard, hence All panels on an Aircraft are grounded) is 'ALWAYS' performed prior to attaching wires to Any ordnance or electrically actuated components. Anything is possible and accidents do happen but the incident on Forrestal was a tragic loss of life, no matter how, who, what caused the terrible chain of events !!!
Crossing the equator is a big deal for the navy. My dad was lifetime navy and served on the USS Saratoga, he told stories of the equator celebrations. We had a "Sara" book that documented them. They were like "carnival" in Rio only on ship.
Very good video!! The information gives a good account of the CV-59
FIRE ON THE FLIGHTDECK incident! Look for the actual video titled the same!! I joined the NAVY in March of 69 for the same reason, so the draft wouldn't snag me in May when I turned 18.
From carer navy family people. Don't ruffle the feathers.
I was there. Look up Navy cruise books on line. VA 106, no Ashley. Just saying. Me? AIMD 3rd row down. James S
Thanks Cliff, Bob VA147
You're very welcome.
My dad said he did it! Good enough for me!
Lost Here is the memory of James Forrestal. Arguably, the greatest of ALL Americans , living or dead.
How do you copy that, Mr. and Mrs. America.
James Fucking Forrestal.
Period.
It's not a good interview at all.
Wow RUclips! 3 hours after my post below...not only are comments to 1notgilty gone...that ENTIRE POST is gone !! My picture evidence of posts - present and then removed - grows larger. Geeze, CENSORSHIP MUCH???
Where in this video does Cliff Ashley say McCain was personally responsible because I'm fairly sure he didn't
Johnny Wetstart played one dangerous practical joke too many. RIP to his victims, he earned a 21 fart salute.
johnny wetstart the idiot.
Did McCain start the fire? We will probably Never know, But just one question...WHY was McCain transfered to another ship before the fire was under control? BTW Great story Ashley VA-106 7-29-67
I remember crossing the equator on the Independence (CV-62) in 1992. It is almost exactly as he described it. The most surreal part was when we had to take off our ruined clothes and go back to our berthing areas. I was walking up the flight deck completely naked. Not many people can say they've done that.
Is it just me or does it seem THE NASTIER THEY ARE THE LONGER THEY SEEM TO LAST.. JUST SAYING
McCain is gone now- let's give him a 21 toilet flush salute!
I did not hear Ashley say anywhere on the video that McCain "did a stunt and caused the fire" or anything close to that. In fact, he does not offer a cause for how the fire started. I can say that I heard McCain on an audio as a POW clearly confessing his sins to the North Viet Nam captors. I don't blame him for making the audio, but why give him a Silver Star for that? Also, did McCain's father, a Naval Admiral, help to clear his son's military records?
First: I am no fan of McCain. That said, I see all these comments referring to this or that about McCain but no links to any of these "facts": "THE AUDIO IS ON RUclips", about McCain's "treason". Where?
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so did mcane start the fire or not?
No.
You're a liar.
Bullshit. Produce the evidence, not hearsay or speculation. Oh wait....you can't.
Thanks, Cliff for your true and factual account of that terrible day on Forrestal. I spent about 23 months of my 4 year enlistment 1966-1970 on the flight decks of Ticonderoga and Oriskany as an AO humping bombs with my A-4 squadron, VA-192. Dumb luck we never had a serious accident in all that time up there on the roof. Where did all these trolls get the idea Lt. McCain was responsible? Truth was a 5" Zuni HVAR was set off probably by RadHaz and crashed into McCain's A-4, starting the fire. All you posters below: if you didn't work the flight deck during combat ops in the Tonkin Gulf, your opinions are not relevant, so go away...
@Hal
Mr. VanSlyck, please write a short piece about whether horseplay is ever committed or tolerated on the flight deck. Also, as a member of VA-192 rather than ships company, what were your General Quarters duties and station. Thx.
@@jamespobog3420 Flight Deck horseplay during flight quarters did not occur. GQ stations for air wing personnel were in our respective below-deck shop spaces. Vietnam-era operations thankfully did not include air or sea-borne attacks on our ship as was common in WWII, so flight deck duty to launch aircraft was not needed.
How did the fire start?
Johnny Wet start McCain caused it
Why doesn't this guy explain the origin of this more clearly?
Because all information is controlled. Until the internet!
Maintenance shortcuts caused the rocket to fire, and outdated bombs that cooked off did the rest.
Because he's lying. McCain had nothing to with the fire.
Seems to me, a certain Jimmy Carter, a former navy officer and democrat U.S. president has spoken favorably about the late senator. Would not Mr. Carter be privy to any and all information in this regard?
FIRE ON THE FORRESTEL
Their still is sailors that were on supporting ships who were involved in damaged control and became sick with disabled illiness still denied disability. The blue water sailors.
My dad was on the Forrestal during this fire. He was a Corpsman. He told me about it. He was on the flight deck when it started. He grabbed a first aid kit and ran towards the fire. Another sailor bumped into my dad knocking him down. They never found that sailor
My God! The epidemic of mental illness is astonishing in this country, yet the afflicted all seem to have the faculty to post comments on RUclips. Maybe there is a shred of hope.
First to all who served you have my appreciation and condolences if you were wounded! I was active in late 73’, never heard a bad word about J McCain. A former sailer Word Carol did a youtube video about the Forrestal fire proving John McCain was innocent. Ward served on the Harry Truman. McCain flew a A4 Skyhawk bomber not a F4 Phantom fighter/bomber. A missile was accidentally launched from a F4 during startup causing this catastrophic accident. I think the roomer about McCain causing this started around the time he was running for president. Just my thoughts. So someone decided to blame McCain for the deaths of 134 shipmates/brothers in arms during wartime! This is really hard to believe.
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It's been like 24hr s since john mccain was put to death kasich
It was an accident contributed by MANY factors other than the pilots itself. Training to substitution of parts...
www.jag.navy.mil/library/investigations/USS%20FORRESTAL%20FIRE%2012%20AUG%2069%20PT%203.pdf
It's long but let's cut to the chase of WHAT happened...
3. The poor and outdated doctrinal and technical documentation of ordance and aircraft equipment and procedures, evident at all levels command, was a contributing cause of the accidental rocket firing.
4. That no improper acts of commission or omission by personnel embarked in FORRESTAL directly contributed to the inadvertent firing of the ZUNI rocket from F-4 #110.
5. That a single ZUNI rocket was fired from the port inboard station of F-4 #110 at 10-51-21H due to the simultaneous malfunctioning of the following components:
a. CA42282 pylon electrical disconnect.
b. Safety switch of the TER-7.
c. LAU-10/A shorting device.
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8. That the Naval Air Systems Command erred in:
*a. Changing the wiring of the TER-7 mod -527 so that the safety switch is shorted to ground in the "SAFE" position rather than open as in models -505 and -521.*
*b. Issuing the TER-7 mod -527to the fleet without promulgating a complete description of the equipment and procedures for conducting circuit testing and checking based on the new circuitry.*
*c. Changing direction of throw of the HOME-STEP switch in the TER-7 mod -527 from that of the TER-7 mod -505 and -521 (see enclosure (368)).*
*9. That the electrical safety pin for the TER-7 is poorly designed in the ordnance pins which are used in the AERO-7 Sparrow Launcher and the LAU-17/A pylon, and which will not reliably acuate the TER-7 safety switch, can be mistakenly inserted in the TER-7 pylon.*
*10. That the existence of ordnance safety pins which are physically interchangeable ... functionally interchangeable creates a potentially dangerous situation.*
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This was an accident. A terrible accident caused by #8 and shows just HOW that ZUNI rocket fired off. Systems command did some modifications of the TER-7. Combined with poor documentation, it was an accident waiting to happen. It just did that day on the Forrestal. Why it was so surprising to pilots sitting there waiting on their aircraft to be rearmed/fueled.
8.a. is probably the contributing factor the ZUNI rocket fired off. In the "SAFE" position the switch was shorted to ground, not open as in previous models. With crappy documentation the entire fleet was issued the modification WITHOUT TESTING.
Just like Gus Grissom and the Liberty Bell escape hatch that simply blew.
There's no "wet starts" involved. There is some very petty aviators and cohorts out there who'd blame everyone but their political hack selves, though.
I'm here to figure out what the objective truth is....I don't care where it falls,democrat or repub just give me the objective facts
The objective facts are that McCain had nothing to with starting the fire. Watch the flight deck film and see for yourself.
I seems to me this was a disaster that could of been far worse.. like the man who caused it. So who am I to say anything other than the men who were actually there.. let them say it
That doesn’t tell us anything!
Pretty sure it's spelled equator with a t. The country is Equador.
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The country is Ecuador.
i had to turn this off from damn whistling through his teeth
4:50 start
Crossing the Ecuador??? Really? I thought it was the Equator? I didn't know aircraft carriers could cross the country of Ecuador, no wonder it's such a big deal. LOL
04:50 do they send a boat after you
I was there the day it all went down.
I will not say a thing.
This is too entertaining.
I served on the Forrestal...later...73-76. I worked in IOIC (Ship's Intelligence Center). The 67 fire was something we studied every time we were in port in Norfolk and went to firefighting school.
John McCain did NOT create the fire. First the A4 had no afterburner...so I don't see how one performs a wet start.
A Zuni from an F4 on the starboard side fired and hit the A4 beside of McCain's. That's what the official review says.
The rocket fired when the pilot switched from external to internal power, because to speed up launches they were short-cutting procedures by connecting the electrical pigtail earlier than the -just-prior-to-launch normal procedure. And the safety pin was blown off by the wind. You can't intentionally do a wet start on an A-4 anyway.
Donald Bass , Were you one of the bastards who invented the cover up story?? Sure sound like it asswipe!! Dont even bother responding you POS. I know your type. Lying is your language & satan is your god.
Dave Jan ...When did you serve Turdie Boy? Nothing worse than pootah armchair qbs. If McCain was predisposed to use his daddy’s rank to get out of shit...he SURELY would have used it to get out of the Hanoi Hilton. Stupid shit.
Dave Jan is either a Russian Bot or a Trump Tard...oh wait...same thing.
Donald Bass
So...the "official" review.. Approved by his Admiral father...? You believe Watergate was a lie, or Clinton did not have sex with that Lewinsky woman...? Lies happen.
9:02 John McCain
his name is Wet Start Mcain, back in 1967 you could pump fuel into the jet, then start it causing an explosion, Wet Start Mcain liked to do this as a joke to scare the pilot behind him, on the uss Forestal John Mcaine did a wet start, causing a rocket on the plane behind him to launch and in a second 3 other plains on the main deck exploded from the rocket and 3 USN Officers died, Two Thanks Givings ago, i ran into my 3rd navy vet that served on the forrestal, this man had 2nd degree burns on his legs from the fire yet he survived, that night there was a witch hut everyone looking for John Mcain to siently throw him overboard into the ocean in the dark, but at that time no one on the Forrestal knew his father Admiral John Mcaine Admiral of the same Navel Fleet of ships got his son off the ship while the other silers were fighting the fire and dying
here has never been more proof of the saying “I read it on the Internet or I saw it on youtube so it MUST be true”.
You believe in either unfounded or half assed truths and statements making claims of McCain’s role in the Forrestal disaster. You do not read the accident investigations or official reports instead relying on bullcrap stories of people that were never there and rhetoric based on hatred of the man. Inferences of how his father and grandfather influenced reports. Total and complete misunderstanding the “wet start” and the resulting flames. In my twenty years on the flightline, I saw many hot starts as they are really called and not one of them ever presented and real danger unless you had a total brain fart and stood aft of the engines during start.
Now, if McCain really did a Wet Start, how in the hell do these flames do a 180 and cross the flight deck to the F4’s and ignite a Zuni? If you look at how the aircraft are parked, the A4’s exhausts are all facing out the port side and the F4’s exhaust the starboard side. Explain that little inconsistency.
If you believe that McCain had anything to do with the fire, you are sadly mistaken and a fool.
I do get a kick out of the fools that claim that he was such a bad pilot that he got himself shot down. Yep, couldn’t outrun, out turn and his x-ray vision failed when he didn’t see that darn SAM accelerating to up to Mach 4 coming up from under him. If you believe this, you are dumber than a box of rocks and have no concept of the issue.
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www.jag.navy.mil/library/investigations/USS%20FORRESTAL%20FIRE%2012%20AUG%
2069%20PT%201.pdf
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Crossing the "Equador"? Why is it that the people who have utoob channels can't spell correctly or even proof-read what they are throwing up on the screen for clicks? I clicked off after seeing the above. It's supposed to be the Equator.
01:49 .....Crossing the Equador'?????
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A.K.A. USS Forest Fire
USS Zippo
The USS Forestal was known for the numerous fires, I spent 8 months of board this ship and the Forrestal had many nicknames as did all the carriers I was on, USS Intrepid (USS Decrepit) USS Saratoga (sinking Sara) Trust me, the USS Forest Fire and USS Zippo were terms of endearment for that ship as any sailor in those day will tell you. You Sir were obviously not in the Navy as you would understand. Back in those days(early 70's) we were called baby killers and regularly spit on when in uniform so being called sick demented mother fuckers ....... well I'll considerer the source.
Kevin Hill I've done time on the Forrestal the Saratoga while they were parked nose to nose in Mayport. Had you been around when those fires took place that took so many live you would not have called it the USS Zippo. Every ship I've been on has had fires onboard and we never made fun of it. As for the term's of endearment maybe it was for the "fuck the Navy guys" but it wasn't for the sailors who respected the guys who gave their live to save that ship. So fuck off little bitch.
Scott put down your assault weapon and take a pill. No where in my post did I ever mention or intended to disrespect the people who gave up their lives or became disabled on the Forestal. The Forestal had earned many names because of the history of major fires it had on it and if you really served aboard this ship for any length of time you would have heard it many times and understood the context it was used as it had nothing to do with the loss of lives. I am not aware of any ship in the Navy that was not given a name by it's crew and it had nothing to do with disrespecting past or present crew. Hey if your trying to pick a fight and use your Facebook courage to feel good about yourself try understanding the context of the reply. Try to use facts and keep the name calling to a minimum as it does little to make your point. Try again.
How long did you spend in the Navy and on the USS Forrestal. How many times did you write FTN on walls of the head.