Canon R7 vs Canon 7dii - Crop Sensor DSLR vs Mirrorless
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Great video. I have the R7 for a while now. It is a beast when it comes to Marching Band. I know it is not your typical "sport", but you have a mix of static elements up front and fast movements all over the field. My 7D did well focusing on the musicians as the moved around the field, the 90D did lot better, the R7 is able to lock on and stay there amongst 30+ kids moving on the field. I use a viltrox ef-rf speed booster for low light and the OEM Canon ef-rf adapter with my 70-200 MKIII lens or 24-105 EF-L . They work great. My misses are all user error 🙂I need to practice more.
Happy to find this video because Cyberhpto in Sweden had resonable price when exchanging well woking 7d mk ii for r7.
What i miss in r7 is built in flash.
Great video. I’m going to go off topic slightly…. But if you were on a budget would you choose R10 or 7d MK2?
I had a 7d mk1 and then upgraded to the mk2 when they first came out. Had the MK2 until 2 years ago when I bought the R6. It really was a great camera.
R6 is fantastic
Had the 7dmk2 needed some replacement parts so i decided to go mirrorless so I've just upgraded to the R6 mk2 . R7 didn't have a battery grip which was a deal breaker with having large hands
I bought the R7 as soon as it come out. While it is t perfect, I expected that going in based on the price of the camera. I was not one of those people that expected a mirrorless 1DX III for under $1500.
Anyway, I kept my 7D II around just in case but I haven’t pulled it out since getting my R7. The new camera is far superior, full stop. Works great with all my lenses (killer combo with the 100-500). I don’t even sweat the lack of a battery grip anymore. And I love the new control wheel….
Hi Rob, I shoot mostly basketball and need a B camera, and I’m deciding between the r7 and r8, any input?
I agree that the 7d ii is not great in low light and requires a much slower shutter speed. I limit my 7D ii auto ISO and it helps greatly. I do love to shoot it and I am rather pleased with it, but I am looking at buying the 1DX ii for my first full frame camera. Thanks for your thoughts!
Nice video about the 7Dmk2 v R7. In full disclosure I'm a 7DMk2 fanboy for years! I agree the R7 has better low light IQ but that is not surprising as the 7D mk2 was launched in 2014. I would agree that R7 is the better camera in most aspects except for battery life where the 7DMk2 wins out. The EVF on the R7 burns a lot of juice. I do not think that the R7 can take a battery grip which is a shame. I use my 7Dmk2 to shoot a lot of Airshows which works great in daylight/lowlight plus with the latest Denoise software shooting at high ISO's is not a problem. Final piont the 7DMk2 is built like a tank and will soldier on for years more.
I loved my Canon 7D2 to death. I wore it out. I prayed for a 7D3, but it never came out. When the R7 came out, I could not resist. It took Canon forever to get me an R7, but once I got it, I was so happy. But I could not get sharp images. I sent it back and got another. The newest one was much better but still has focus problems on some images. Overall, I love the R7 a lot. For the price no regret. I have been using the ef 300mm f2.8 on my R7 for football and my ef 70-200 f2.8 for water polo and it was perfect. It is awesome on both lenses with the crop. It was a good decision!
The R7 with the 300mm f2.8 is a killer combo
I've gone through 3 different R7 camera"s with canon I've only had one good camera and it was a loaner from canon I begged and pleaded for them to let me have this camera and they wouldn't since then I've gone back to my 7D Mk II because the R 7's I have had are just absolute junk .
Canon says that the R7 is only fully compatible with the version II of these lenses.
Good comparison video, Rob
Cheers Bruce 😎
There is A LOT to like about the R7. But there are also a few shortcomings.
I shot sports with a pair of 7D for five years. More than a quarter million images with them (still working perfectly). Then I updated to a pair of 7D Mk II, used them for another 5 years and around a quarter million images. Great cameras, a solid step up from the orig. 7D and all still working fine.
I really want to like the R7. It offers so much that is bery useful. But there are three issues, as far as I'm concerned.
First, I use battery grips on all my cameras and the R7 is NOT designed to work with one. It is especially baffling because the R7's footprint is similar to that of R5, R6 and R6II, all of which can use the BG-R10 grip. I would be willing to pay a little more for an R7 that could also be fitted with that grip. I want the grip both for the extra battery capacity and for its verical controls. I estimate half my shots are in portrait mode, almost always using those controls.
I also don't know why Canon felt the need to fiddle with proven control layout and ergonomics. Sure, I could get accustomed to the new layout. But I also use full frame Canon cameras fairly often, and have appreciated the similarity in control layout, ergonomics and even weight, between the 7D series and 5D series. It made switching back and forth between them relatively seamless.
This is no longer the case, since Canon decided to revise the control layout of the R7 and make it so different from the full frame R series cameras.
Another minor concern I have is rolling shutter effect. Of course, that's only am issue with the electronic shutter. It can largely be avoided by using either the mechanical or 1st curtain shutter. But that also means I won't be able to take advantage of the camera's 30 frames/sec speed or shoot silently. Still, the 15 fps available is pretty darned good and a big step up from the 7DII's 10 fps.
All these are likely not concerns for most would-be R7 buyers. Few would ever use the camera the way my work requires. And I will probably end up buying R7 and just working through my concerns. Or maybe Nikon will come out with a mirrorless D500, forcing Canon to launch an R7 Mark II that's closer to my ideal. At present, among all the manufacturers, for my purposes, none offers anything better than Canon and their R7.
All valid points. And I'll add, I used an M50 II for sports and at 10fps it's actually really good however I looked at an R7 as an upgrade.
A big issue with the current R7 is shutter shock. Quite alot of reported cases of shutter shock. You'll get a series of burst shots with some in focus and some out of focus, all in the same sequence.
For an expensive new "flagship" crop I was utterly disappointed. It also feels cheap. My M50 II feels more premium and better. The R7 and R10 feel like a toy, almost like a dummy camera.
The 7D II in comparison feels every bit a premium camera.
I ended up buying a 7D II with only 5,000 shutter count, battery grip, 2 batteries and charger for $650AUD, 1/3 the price of a new R7 (with no grip of course).
Even in 2023 and beyond the 7D II is still a brilliant camera.
And with software like Lightroom Denoise, it's making new camera tech less and less relevant.
If Canon makes an R7 II and addresses all the shortcomings (including more APSC lenses) then I may consider
Everything you said about the R7 is correct I have been to hell and back with the cannon R7 .
My R7 is sitting in the closet and it will be there forever , I absolutely refuse to use it anymore it has been the biggest piece of CRAP canon camera ever made .
I'm out photographing birds every day and I've gone back to my 7D Mk IIbecause it is a proven camera .
What can I say here Allan You got everything stated here correctly the R7 has so many shortcomings that's why mine is sitting inside the my closet so I'm back to using my 7D MkII Full-time I just consider the R7 just a piece of junk that it is , and that's exactly what it is .
I really hope that Canon will hire some real engineers and design the R7 Mk II basically like the 7D Mk II and until that time comes I'm not going to buy another Canon camera .
Another point here Allan
I have an R3 is well , and it is being sold for A 1Dx Mk III because just like the R7 I just cannot stand these stinking mirrorless Canon cameras .
Thank you for this interesting comparison. I can certainly understand the newer R7's chip should perform better. But the comparison of coach's faces seems unfair. His face on R7 is nearly twice larger in area and is face-on compared to 7D2^^
Rob. Could you tell me if the Canon EF 70-200mm 2.8 L (first generation) adapts well to the Canon R7? If there is any configuration... I'm having problems with this combination. I'm losing focus very easily when I shoot using the H+ AI SERVO. I saw in a publication, some lenses that don't perform well above 15 fps. If you could give me feedback, I would appreciate it.
I was going to ask the same thing. I am wanting to upgrade but not sure if my lenses will perform the same with the adaptor. Hoping he seees this and has info.
Yo extraño la pantalla en la parte de arriba de la 7D.
Ya me había acostumbrado a "preparar" la fotografía en cuanto sacaba la cámara de la mochila, así a pura vista. Pero ahora, con la R7, siempre tengo que hacerlo en el visor o en la pantalla. Es un detalle pequeño, pero para mi fue algo muy importante a lo que aún no me acostumbro.
Did you do noise reduction?
I got a 7Dii as a second camera to my 5Div (only paid £350 for the 7Dii), and us it with a Sigma 150-600 lens (with my 70-200 f/2.8 on my 5div), and appreciate the extra reach I get with the 150-600 on the crop sensor. Also noticed that the frame rate is faster on the 7dii compared to the 5Div. The extra pixels on the 5Div is an advantage when cropping images though. If I'm in a position to upgrade the 7dii I don't think I would go to the R7, will probably jump up to R3/5/6. Will miss the extra reach though you get from the crop sensor.
Hi, I’ve stumbled down the rabbit hole of wanting to replace/upgrade my camera. I currently have a (now discontinued) canon 200d which was perfect for my first ever camera. Mainly used for video and some photography. Now I’m really , really REALLY needing some advice … deciding whether to go for canon 90d, canon mark 5d iv, or canon R7 . The R7 looks attractive to me because of : the autofocus capabilities and the newer technology that come with mirrorless , I’m scared because of not knowing how to use it compared to my traditional camera , I’m embarrassed to say I have only ever used auto on my camera but I’m going to learn how to use manual. Also slightly worried about the ‘overheating’ rumours/problems with mirrorless, but apparently shouldn’t be an issue if I don’t intend to do shoot 30min + .. I’m interested in the canon mark iv because it seemed EVERYONE thinks it’s a beast and amazing but then after research I saw it’s better primarily for photography AND it doesn’t have a flip out screen (a feature I currently have and love) and then obviously the 90d …. I think is a really really good option as it’s a step up (several steps) to what I have and probably the most familiar one I’d be used to .. just scared of thinking the R7 is more superior I think is my problem… would really appreciate your thoughts. FYI I’m an amateur ..
What kind of video do you do? If you don't need 4K, the Canon M50 is a video beast. I use it to capture my sons junior sports. 1080p is awesome, colours are nice, it's small and the EF-M lenses are sharp as.
Even though it's discontinued I rate it highly.
I just got myself a 7D II as well as my wet weather camera for stills (video on it is poor)
Hi Rob, thx for your video.
In my dry cabinet are the Famous d7mk2, and the 90 D.
But next month I am trading them in for Canon R 6 mk 2.
Hopelij there come soon the Canon R 7 mk 2.
The crop factor 1.6 is so good for Wildlife'
Cheers from Thailand. 🦋
Interesting comparison Rob & I guess you would hope that the R7 would produce better results than a 7d ii with 9 year old tech. Like you the 7d was my workhorse for years and just a brilliant camera. Don't think you can overplay the huge difference on low light capabilities with today's mirrorless, not to mention the AF tracking advances. I looked back and checked I actually paid more for my 7d ii (new) 7 years ago than the R7 is selling for now. R7 everytime in my view
Absolutely agree John
I had the 7d and then the 7d mkii and used them mainly for wildlife for a number of years. Whilst not being in the same league as the 1 series the 7 series was genuinely a near as possible crop sensor equivalent, tough as nails and handled like a dream. Cost and my budget was a huge deciding factor when initially buying into the crop sensor system but I always felt I was getting a good deal for my money.
However, low light performance on the 7d was terrible and in the 7d mkii it was, at best, very poor. It was for that reason that I finally went to FF.
Technology is always improving and so it should be no surprise that the R7 will give better image quality but from listening to a few people I know who have bought and used one it doesn't appear to be the crop sensor equivalent of the current R3 ( like the 7Dii was to the 1series) that they were expecting in either the build quality or handling and so they have sold them on.
I fully appreciate the cost factor involved here but frankly the 7 series DSLR was a far tougher beast than its mirrorless counterpart.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I agree the 7d's were built like tanks
For me the largest advantage of the R7 over the 7D2, is the AF and the viewfinder, the optical viewfinder looks so dark and outdated, its a turnoff these days for me I wonder how I ever thought that was OK.
Yes I know what you mean
When it’s dark or even just cloudy daylight, you get a brighter clearer view from an evf. On a bright, sunny day EVFs don’t match the clear bright view you get from an OVF, though. This is most apparent when you shoot into the sky and are wearing sunglasses but is still apparent for most bright sunny shooting.
Excellent video Rob. Just a note that FF lenses on a crop body won’t resolve as well as if they were paired on a full frame body however the EF-S 17-55/2.8 was getting on a little when the 7Dii arrived on the scene anyway. The DSLR does have some positives, battery grip and internal flash to name 2 however the R7 smokes it in my opinion. As you say, if all o could get is the 7Dii, then I would be happy as you can pick up some stellar lenses for it. I wish the R7 had a battery grip, every time I use it with the adapted 70-200/2.8 my handling gets worse, this week alone I was all at sea (hand held). I think it’s time for the Small Rig offering. Glad you have the RF 24-70/2.8 lens, do you have any more RF native glass? If you get a chance, try the 28-70/2. It’s out of this world when you ignore its heft.
I do not find this to be true in my experience. I owned the R5 and the R7 and shot the same lens outdoors in sunlight and shade multiple times, and when zooming in on the final results to an equal field of view, it was so extremely difficult to spot the difference in the images.
@@steven871that’s good! I’m trying my best to resist the R3 but maybe the 24-70/2.8ii will go on the list too since there is so much value imo with EF L glass now
I actually had that RF 24-70 on loan. It was a beautiful lens though. I've got the 16mm RF f2.8 which I've found to be great. It replaced my EF 17-40
@@mvp_kryptonite some heavy discounts on the R3 at the moment. Would be an amazing hybrid camera. I sold the R7 and stayed with the R5 only because of the ability to set the Video quick record button on the R5 to the exact settings I wanted using custom function three.
@@steven871 I know exactly what you mean, when i hired the R5 that quick record function is something else, it was goading me to record much more lol, plus all the custom settings that simply not available on the R7 for some reason only known to Canon.
The EOS R7 lacks the top screen, witch is a down side.
Even when you don’t have a big budget and want to get into sports photography, I would not recommend to buy the 7Dii. I rather get a well used 1DX for currently 460£/525€. Yes, you don’t get the additional reach, but low light picture quality will never be an issue anymore.
I sold my R7 after a z month because the low light picture quality was not good enough for my agency. Now I’m shooting again with my “retired” 1DX, even international games. Nobody complains. Mark Kerton also still uses a 1DX on his 70-200. But funny fact: on higher leagues or international games low light performance is not an issue anymore. You struggle at lower leagues where they use IKEA tea lights instead of proper floodlight.
That’s good to know. In my country a new R7 is the same price as a used 1DX mark 2 and I’m trying to decide which one to buy. I shoot sports mostly, but also need to shoot in low light or indoor at times for other events. So cleaner shots at higher ISO are needed. I’m thinking if the 1DX2 was good enough for 2016 Olimpics and beyond it should be good enough for me.
I was just wondering if the new tracking system (AF system) is better than the 1DX2.
I have a 70-200 2.8 with 17-55 2.8 on a 77D.
But if I went FF id leave the 17-55 2.8 on the 77D until I could afford a 24-70 2.8
@@PHOBOS1882 the AF system of the R7 is better than of the 1DXii, but the 1DXii is still very good. And you can’t use the R7 with electronic shutter because the rolling shutter is really an issue with this camera. I would rather go with the 1DXii than with the R7 if high ISO is an issue. I owned both bodies.
I ended up going with a used 1DX mk2. It’s amazing. Miles better than my 77D. With the 70-200mm f2.8 on it I’ve had a blast shooting with it. 🥳
@@PHOBOS1882 excellent choice. I owned the 1DXii as well. I loved the camera until it flew from the passenger seat into legroom at a speed of 80 km/ as I had to do an emergency break… from the insurance money I got the R6ii which is a dream. But I’m still looking to get a hand on a cheap electronically damaged 1DXii so I can „Frankenstein“ them together into one working camera. Currently I use the 1DXii as my remote camera since it doesn’t need to autofocus there.
The biggest argument is that for the R7 you have to shell out ~$200 for an original quality Canon adapter which will allow you to use your old lenses. As someone who has 7 or 8 EF / EF-S lenses, I'm not willing to start over buying new mirrorless-native lenses. I've also heard that these adapters are sometimes quirky and may not work well with every lens, especially non-canon lenses.
I loved my 7dii, but the r7 is superior in almost every way.
having owned both, some of my comments
a) the ergonomics are substantially different with the rear control wheel - i hated it TBH
b) there is no vertical grip option for the R7. As a sports photographer shooting a lot of portrait orientation images, its a dealbreaker for me
c) the r7 does have some pulsing/AF issues with adapted 3rd party glass (that is often used by budget concious people looking at these cameras
d) the R7's weather sealing is not as good as the 7dmk2
The r7 has some great advantages - better in low light, sharper, more megapixels for cropping, higher FPS (forget the electronic shutter), and a lot more flexible AF
Note with modern AI post processing, the high ISO performance with the 7dmk2 is also less of an issue, gives a new lease on life to the old camera
Yeah good point about the third party lenses
I still shoot on a 7D and 6D mark ii hahaha thinking of saving up for an R7 or R6, Now that Sony just announced that insane A9iii I should save up for a few years for that thing haha
6d Mark ii is better than r7
@@endowpictures22 I've yet to shoot with an R7 so I can't say but I do know that both the R7 and R6 are better than the 7D. The AF tracking alone on both the R's make them worth it to me tho
The price.
The 7D Mark II has nearly the same size as the R5, the R7 is smaller!
R7 does not support battery grip, which is a huge shame.
Canon 90d sensor was strapped into R7
Great video, Rob, but I think that the overall greatness of the R3 should be mentioned as probably the best Canon camera for sports photography along with the 1D X Mark III. R3 has the stacked sensor, too
I agree the R3 is better.. but not really relevant to this comparison
Lol how are you mentioning the R3? It's like commenting on a civic vs focus comparison that a Ferrari is better 🤣🤦♂️
The official statement from Canon was that the R7 was a replacement for the D90 which came as a complete surprise to me as the 7D Mk2 had been out for a while and as another commenter posted, a lot of users were hoping for the Mk3. My mate owns both cameras and photographs wildlife mostly small birds. Even though he is impressed with the eye AF tracking on the R7, he’s a bit disappointed with most of the rest, i.e., poor battery life, the viewfinder (he prefers an OVF), no facility for a battery grip which would have helped with the poor battery performance, inconsistent AF when it comes to busy backgrounds, lack of ergonomics - you can’t be messing about in menus trying to change settings when there’s fast action going on. He wished the R7 would have been exactly the same as his 7D Mk2 but as a mirrorless version.
A mistake I thought Canon made was they didn’t design the R7 to utilise the high fps. They should have put an XQD card slot or a Cf Express card slot in to handle the high fps. Nikon made similar mistakes when they released the Z6 / Z7 Mk 1 - no grip available, one card slot. There were a lot of complaints so I thought Canon might have taken this onboard and produced a camera with no compromises.
I doubt it’s a mistake more like marketing decisions to have the mistakes “corrected” in the R7mkii to get people to upgrade or to go FF.
@@sexysilversurfer That’s a possibility.
Hardly revelation is it. A 8yr older camera is not a clean as a modern one 🤔
10:50 8 years of technologic advances, it had to be better.
6:06 totally absurd error; obviously you should have used the EF 24-70mm on the R7.
That's a faster lens? That wouldn't be a fair comparison at all
@@RobSambles what?
7:13 another absurdity; it makes absolutely no sense if you are doing a fear comparison.
Dear RSP I watched your complete video for most users they'll probably agree with you , I totally disagree with you , I have tried the R7 camera and it has been the worst camera I've ever tried in my life , I've been through 3 cameras ( R7 ) with canon and they were all junk I am back to using my 7D Mk II and I'm not looking back .
What do you love about the 7D Mkii? I have only owned the Rebel Series T6i and 80D and want to hear what people love about their older DSLR iteration.
I have bigger hands so the 7D Mkii would work for me, have read many reviews on the R7 as well as the 7D Mkii and many love the older camera since it is super weatherized and robust. What say you?
@@peterdisbury Peter One of the things I can say about the 7D Mk II it is dependable , the exposure is always correct it doesn't give me any trouble in focusing like the R7 DOES it's just a great reliable camera .
Depending on the lens you use it will focus at F 8.0 as well , What else can I say it's just a great camera to use .
This is where Canon totally blew it , they should have continued with the DSLR ( Cameras instead of giving up on them and going the Mirrorless route ) and made A 7D MK III , so they didn't we can't do anything about it we can just pray that when the R7 Mk II comes out it will be a lot better than the existing R7 .
I had the 80D thought it would be a solid performer but it was not there. Grant you I did not have any L lenses but had some USM lenses and was not overly impressed in the images.
No battery grip, no R7 (sorry Canon)
Yeah that is an odd choice to not have one
Mirrorless anyday Over dslrs
Dslrs are deadend anyway
And comparing totally different images, oh please, this is not a comparison, AT ALL and you don't have a clue how to do it.
At least, did you use the same shooting parameters ans focal length?