Apparently Jaycen is mixing AND mastering all in 1 instance of this plugin. Assuming this is true, he’d probably turn off the limiter to start as he dials in the mix, then flip it on to dial in the dynamics. This is personally how I’ve used it. If you wanted to master the mix, then I’d just turn off the limiting and apply whatever processing you’d like after this plugin. Wouldn’t go too crazy though- this really does a lot!
Having some time to really dive into this plug-in on several mixes and masters now (across genres as well)..it works really well, but there are a couple of things that I discovered to get consistent results. First as others have pointed out, use a eq in front of it to get some broader strokes done, I have been using SlickEQ from Tokyo Dawn Records or the new T-Bone 2 from Boz Digital. Second you really need to control your dynamics coming into the plug-in. A combination of clipping and limiting to control your peaks so you can drive that input knob in the plug-in to where your level is in the green most of the time and you are not clipping the plugins input. You should start seeing activity over in the balance meters. Low and mid you hopefully are close and can tweak eq within the plug-in or in the eq before the plug-in to get it landing and lighting up the green in those two pretty regularly. I find the high box more problematic, lighting it often to me results in too much energy in the high frequencies so I prefer to only have that being lit occasionally with maybe a db or half a db reduction there. Finally use a good true peak limiter after the plug-in to catch any inter sample peaks. I use a variety of ones here but I really like Tokyo Dawn’s limiter 6 for it, and it also gives you the option to turn off the limiter in God Particle and use the various modules in it to refine your limiting. Good luck, hope this helps someone out there.
Kyle, big thanks for sharing what you've been experimenting with in hopes to help us! I've noticed the same thing regarding the high indicator box... I'm excited to mess around with an eq prior to the god particle. I'll have to check out those EQ's too, big fan of Boz Digital. All the best! 👊🏻
I love that plugin! If you push and mix into the plugin, I guess that is the right way, you'll get faster a really convincing result. Therefore a nice shot.
One of the biggest differences between writing a song and writing a book is the number of words you’ll use. A novel might use 80,000 or more words to describe a story, but with a song lyric you really only get a tiny fraction of that; maybe 100 words or so.
Get your input right...adjust the eq till the multi band is good.. hit the ext button up top and BAM! Open and punchy yet warm .. I've been at it 30 years and this is the nicest thing to come out in a very very long time...
Wow 30 years! There's a lot I could learn from you Daniel, thanks for the tip about input gain and eq. It's been a while since I've purchased a plugin, but like you said, this thing is one the best releases in a while! Best 👊🏻
Rafique, the song is actually one of mine. So the song is called "Back Then" by Nathan Eswine. It's on spotify/apple music. Here's the link to it on RUclips: ruclips.net/video/Tc2TQfVt9Ag/видео.html best!
What happens if there’s no segue on the album 💿 does it still count as a one big project or product or one big story or album 💿 like newsboys not ashamed don’t have any segue but while take me to your leader the album 💿 and also there is nothing left to lose and also underdog by foo fighters and audio adrenaline does have segue some people say not all album 💿 have segue what’s your honest opinion about this?
To me, it does still count as one whole story, even if there's no segue between tracks. I think it's just an artistic choice to use segues. I think even if the songs start and stop on their own, they can still point back to the big theme of the album 👍
I would say it does count! I understand segue to mean: continue without pause to another section. So I view segue as an artistic choice. Usually an album is viewed as one big story by the artist or band. So they could use segue as a way to transition from song to song, but also as a way to furthers the story and connect things to the "big concept" of the whole album. Hope this helps!
@@bedroommusicproducer so true I personally 100 💯 percent agree with you on that for sure and album 💿 such as Polythene and also Yesterday Went To Soon and also Echo Park and also There Is Nothing Left To Lose yeah I would definitely count as an album 💿 that has segue in it but also not always is gonna have segue too but for in this case for segue yes 👍 🙌 👏🏻.
Back in the olden days, stories were told through songs. These songs were passed down from generation to generation, and they were told in the form of a song and to make it more interesting to tell. These days, stories can be written down and shared with one click.
@@bedroommusicproducer np 😉 Nathan and thank you ☺️ 😊 🙏 for telling me all about more about song structure and also having 6 or more songs and also over 30 minutes of cd 💿 runtime and count as a studio album 💿 and also segue too.
100% Kris, love how you phrased that- it's a killer tool, but a tool you need to use well. I think that sums up most plugins... great tools to create with, but not a substitute for skill and practice! Best 👊🏻
@@bedroommusicproducer It'sa great tool for some fast mastering but you will get better results adding a Pro Q3 before the plugin and adding a shelf adding more highs (the God particle is pretty dark) and using another limiter after the plugin like Sonible smart limiter. Give it a try. best chain for some fast good mastering. Jaycen has a dark sound in the default and you can't add enough extra highs with the plugin.
And that story should ideally end with whatever the song lyric provides. In story songs, the words are the story, but in most song lyrics, it might be best to take the time to write a 1- or 2-page story that describes what’s going on, even if the specific details of that story (or some of them) remain unsaid in your final lyric.
What happens if there’s no segue on a studio album 💿 like third day conspiracy number 5 don’t have segue same thing that goes with newsboys not ashamed but does it still count as a viewed as a big story?
What happens if there’s a song that is short like 20th century trip and warm fuzzy feeling and also doll are about 1:23 for doll by foo fighters and also for warm fuzzy feeling by fastball is roughly about 1:57 and 20th century trip by feeder is currently roughly about 1:54 or 1:57 but do these songs still count as a story even though that they are short and also not a full length song and also is songwriting aka songwriter aka song writing ✍️ plays a huge role in the storytelling like peter furler is the story telling same thing that goes with Steve Taylor and also Martin smith they are song writer and also they have songwriting in them but why does song writing ✍️ plays a huge role in storytelling when releasing a studio album 💿 like 👍 Niall horan flicker or Backstreet Boys backstreet’s back 1997 studio album or hanson this time around or Hawk Nelson Smile it’s the end of the world 🌍 🌎 🗺 or even made by hawk Nelson or even third day conspiracy number 5 why are songwriter are very important to tell the story or they are called the story telling when recording a studio album 💿?
Usually the songs on an album are the result of an artist's creations during a season of life. This means the songs can all speak to a similar set of themes, ideas and topics. So the aim of an album name is to try and sum up the big story/concept that all the songs pull from when they were written. It's not always like these, especially today. But traditionally, an album is like a "book" with the songs inside being like "chapters." Fun stuff! (I think 🤓)
@@bedroommusicproducer Totally 💯 100 💯 percent agree with you for sure it’s almost 😅 exactly like reading a chapter book 📖 but instead of having pages of paper 📝 in the chapter book 📖 but there’s actually music 🎼 🎶 🎵 for our ears 👂 for us to hear 👂 so that we could be able to hear 👂 the book aka album 💿 instead of just look 👀 at the book 📖 📕 📚 with our eye 👁 much easier to be honest with you Nathan you are the coolest music 🎼 🎶 🎵 teacher 👨🏫 too. Check out LNA Does Audio Stuff she is also a RUclips channel and she also does music 🎼 stuff just like you to be honest you guys have something in very common to be honest.
So wait in your honest opinion why is an album 💿 if it’s 12 tracks or 13 tracks or even 14 tracks or even 15 tracks or even 14 tracks in your honest opinion when listening 👂 to a studio album 💿 I know that a album 💿 is a collection of audio recordings issued as a single idem that’s what Jonathan Miller music said to me or a collection of audio recordings issued as a collection by defining online like free dictionary or Wikipedia so why and how by listening 👂 to a studio album 💿 like Polythene or there is nothing left to lose or any other studio album 💿 that are out there in the world 🌍 🌎 🗺 are viewed as one big story?
Buddy, all credit to Jaycen, but there are people that spent 40 years more in the studio, producing some of the great music ever. Not Nicky Minaj, sorry. I hate gatekeeping, I hate people who stand in a way of progress and talk only about "olden days" but pls dont call someone like that goat sound engineer.
Appreciate this comment Nemanja. I'm thankful for the impact Jaycen specifically has had on me, and this video captured that excitement. I apologize if that excitement came off as arrogance, I'm not at all trying to suggest Jaycen is the ONLY "goat" nor am I oblivious of the many "goats" far before Jaycen's time that I've learned so much from as well. I certainly don't know everything, and I'm always interested in learning from anyone. Who are some sound engineers that have really impacted you in a positive way? Best 👊🏻
@@bedroommusicproducer Oh pls dont apologize mate, no reason to. I maybe came across as agressive, my apologies for that. So if you ask me, I myself, being audio engineer and music producer for almost 30 tyears now, I appreciate every one of hard working people in the industry. Who inspires me? Well, starting from Glyn Jones, Andrew Wallace, Michael Beinhorn, Andrew Schepps, Joe Baresi, Dave Botrill, Marthin Hannet, Brendan O'Brien - and then so many different people from monsters like Brian Eno, Peter Gabriel, Vangelis, Jarre, to people like RDJ, Boards of Canada, Chemical Brothers, Crystal Method, so many guys who surfed on a 90's wave of being both musicians and producers for their own work, like Tricky. And also, guys who worked as producers for mainstream giants, like Rick Rubin. I mean, when we are talking goats, if there is such a thing in such a diverse and ambiguous "category".
But even in such songs, . If you’re describing a state of mind, for example, you will want to convey to your audience through your lyric what is causing the state of mind. In other words, even in such songs, there is a story.
Seige, I keep going back and forth between this plugin and my normal master chain... what do you like about your mstr chain opposed to the god particle? Just curious 👊🏻
@@bedroommusicproducer In my honest opinion upon using the demo I felt it didnt compliment my sound. I had the pleasure of a song I produced being mixed by JJ. I wasnt in the room and I wish I couldnt had just a little bit more input before it being rushed out but hey it happens.. But I dont believe in one size fit all plug ins. If you are new to mixing and maybe not understand the fundamentals then hey go for it.. but I rather use my favorite logic compressor and my Fabfilter Q3 or stock Logic EQ and my favorite waves plug ins on my master. Because it ultimately gives me MY sound.
No sponsorship! Just grateful for all Jaycen has taught and made available to everyone. First impressions are exciting (especially for a nerd like me), pumped to continue learning the plugin and how it'll help the songs I'm make! All the best Seathasky 👊🏻
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How would you go about mastering after mixing into it ? Do you bypass the limiter and start another God particle plug in on the master track ?
Apparently Jaycen is mixing AND mastering all in 1 instance of this plugin. Assuming this is true, he’d probably turn off the limiter to start as he dials in the mix, then flip it on to dial in the dynamics. This is personally how I’ve used it. If you wanted to master the mix, then I’d just turn off the limiting and apply whatever processing you’d like after this plugin. Wouldn’t go too crazy though- this really does a lot!
Having some time to really dive into this plug-in on several mixes and masters now (across genres as well)..it works really well, but there are a couple of things that I discovered to get consistent results. First as others have pointed out, use a eq in front of it to get some broader strokes done, I have been using SlickEQ from Tokyo Dawn Records or the new T-Bone 2 from Boz Digital. Second you really need to control your dynamics coming into the plug-in. A combination of clipping and limiting to control your peaks so you can drive that input knob in the plug-in to where your level is in the green most of the time and you are not clipping the plugins input. You should start seeing activity over in the balance meters. Low and mid you hopefully are close and can tweak eq within the plug-in or in the eq before the plug-in to get it landing and lighting up the green in those two pretty regularly. I find the high box more problematic, lighting it often to me results in too much energy in the high frequencies so I prefer to only have that being lit occasionally with maybe a db or half a db reduction there. Finally use a good true peak limiter after the plug-in to catch any inter sample peaks. I use a variety of ones here but I really like Tokyo Dawn’s limiter 6 for it, and it also gives you the option to turn off the limiter in God Particle and use the various modules in it to refine your limiting. Good luck, hope this helps someone out there.
Kyle, big thanks for sharing what you've been experimenting with in hopes to help us! I've noticed the same thing regarding the high indicator box... I'm excited to mess around with an eq prior to the god particle. I'll have to check out those EQ's too, big fan of Boz Digital. All the best! 👊🏻
Bro this is exactly what I discovered as well using this plugin, spot on
I love that plugin! If you push and mix into the plugin, I guess that is the right way, you'll get faster a really convincing result. Therefore a nice shot.
Agreed! Starting the mix with that plugin already up and running works wonders 👊🏻
Works really nice with a good eq in front... something with character...
One of the biggest differences between writing a song and writing a book is the number of words you’ll use. A novel might use 80,000 or more words to describe a story, but with a song lyric you really only get a tiny fraction of that; maybe 100 words or so.
Get your input right...adjust the eq till the multi band is good.. hit the ext button up top and BAM! Open and punchy yet warm
.. I've been at it 30 years and this is the nicest thing to come out in a very very long time...
Wow 30 years! There's a lot I could learn from you Daniel, thanks for the tip about input gain and eq. It's been a while since I've purchased a plugin, but like you said, this thing is one the best releases in a while! Best 👊🏻
The only thing is , you didn't give a link to where to get the plug in ! What's the link ?
Marlow! Thanks for pointing that out - here it is: cradle.app/product/the-god-particle/ best! 👊🏻
I think I missed the “A” side of the A/B challenge. 😂 Did you play it with the plugins you had on there at first?
Dude I think I was so excited I just jumped right in 🤦🏻♂️ geez didn't even realize! 🤣
@@bedroommusicproducer 😂 LOL. Great review! I'll have to wait for the next sale and hopefully they'll have native M1 by then.
I'd like to see see the before and after Sine waves, big part of mastering is reducing the peaks while not reducing quality and dynamic range to much.
Is chapter book 📖 and studio album 💿 same or different from each other?
May i know the name of the song and title..so good..tq
Rafique, the song is actually one of mine. So the song is called "Back Then" by Nathan Eswine. It's on spotify/apple music. Here's the link to it on RUclips: ruclips.net/video/Tc2TQfVt9Ag/видео.html best!
What happens if there’s no segue on the album 💿 does it still count as a one big project or product or one big story or album 💿 like newsboys not ashamed don’t have any segue but while take me to your leader the album 💿 and also there is nothing left to lose and also underdog by foo fighters and audio adrenaline does have segue some people say not all album 💿 have segue what’s your honest opinion about this?
To me, it does still count as one whole story, even if there's no segue between tracks. I think it's just an artistic choice to use segues. I think even if the songs start and stop on their own, they can still point back to the big theme of the album 👍
@@bedroommusicproducer true.
@@bedroommusicproducer agree totally 💯 agree with you on that’s for sure Nathan.
@@bedroommusicproducer newsboys not ashamed is a album 💿 and it’s also a whole story so it count.
@@bedroommusicproducer 👍
What an in depth explanatory review that was.
ozone MAXIMIZER will give U the exact same sound _ if u keep the Limiter at -5
Hey Ivan, super cool! What version of ozone maximizer are you running? Best 👊🏻
Does segue counts on an album 💿 even though it has song structure aka arrangement aka song writing process aka story too?
I would say it does count! I understand segue to mean: continue without pause to another section. So I view segue as an artistic choice. Usually an album is viewed as one big story by the artist or band. So they could use segue as a way to transition from song to song, but also as a way to furthers the story and connect things to the "big concept" of the whole album. Hope this helps!
@@bedroommusicproducer so true I personally 100 💯 percent agree with you on that for sure and album 💿 such as Polythene and also Yesterday Went To Soon and also Echo Park and also There Is Nothing Left To Lose yeah I would definitely count as an album 💿 that has segue in it but also not always is gonna have segue too but for in this case for segue yes 👍 🙌 👏🏻.
@@bedroommusicproducer So true.
@@bedroommusicproducer sure does athan but why and how are album 💿 no matter how many total tracks they are considered they are as one big story?
Why songs have to start from beginning to end?
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Why do songs have to start beginning to the end?
Back in the olden days, stories were told through songs. These songs were passed down from generation to generation, and they were told in the form of a song and to make it more interesting to tell. These days, stories can be written down and shared with one click.
H! Structure is important as it helps us with the story telling in the composition. :) That’s what LNA Does Audio Stuff told me about song structure.
Totally agree! Had a blast talking about structure last week. Thanks again for the idea Luke!
@@bedroommusicproducer true.
@@bedroommusicproducer np 😉 Nathan and thank you ☺️ 😊 🙏 for telling me all about more about song structure and also having 6 or more songs and also over 30 minutes of cd 💿 runtime and count as a studio album 💿 and also segue too.
@@bedroommusicproducer np 😉 nathan but do you agree to what LNA does audio stuff said?
@@bedroommusicproducer Totally 💯 100 💯 percent agree with you as well Nathan.
I like it BUT it's still a tool you need to use well... use your ears. Easy to distort. Check well input, output, limiter settings.
100% Kris, love how you phrased that- it's a killer tool, but a tool you need to use well. I think that sums up most plugins... great tools to create with, but not a substitute for skill and practice! Best 👊🏻
@@bedroommusicproducer It'sa great tool for some fast mastering but you will get better results adding a Pro Q3 before the plugin and adding a shelf adding more highs (the God particle is pretty dark) and using another limiter after the plugin like Sonible smart limiter. Give it a try. best chain for some fast good mastering. Jaycen has a dark sound in the default and you can't add enough extra highs with the plugin.
Have to add, the strongest point of the GP is the way the mids are pushed in the output.
And that story should ideally end with whatever the song lyric provides. In story songs, the words are the story, but in most song lyrics, it might be best to take the time to write a 1- or 2-page story that describes what’s going on, even if the specific details of that story (or some of them) remain unsaid in your final lyric.
Should turn up the mids to hit in the green tho
Totally agree, noticed that too afterwards
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What happens if there’s no segue on a studio album 💿 like third day conspiracy number 5 don’t have segue same thing that goes with newsboys not ashamed but does it still count as a viewed as a big story?
What happens if there’s a song that is short like 20th century trip and warm fuzzy feeling and also doll are about 1:23 for doll by foo fighters and also for warm fuzzy feeling by fastball is roughly about 1:57 and 20th century trip by feeder is currently roughly about 1:54 or 1:57 but do these songs still count as a story even though that they are short and also not a full length song and also is songwriting aka songwriter aka song writing ✍️ plays a huge role in the storytelling like peter furler is the story telling same thing that goes with Steve Taylor and also Martin smith they are song writer and also they have songwriting in them but why does song writing ✍️ plays a huge role in storytelling when releasing a studio album 💿 like 👍 Niall horan flicker or Backstreet Boys backstreet’s back 1997 studio album or hanson this time around or Hawk Nelson Smile it’s the end of the world 🌍 🌎 🗺 or even made by hawk Nelson or even third day conspiracy number 5 why are songwriter are very important to tell the story or they are called the story telling when recording a studio album 💿?
Why are album are viewed as big story?
Usually the songs on an album are the result of an artist's creations during a season of life. This means the songs can all speak to a similar set of themes, ideas and topics. So the aim of an album name is to try and sum up the big story/concept that all the songs pull from when they were written. It's not always like these, especially today. But traditionally, an album is like a "book" with the songs inside being like "chapters." Fun stuff! (I think 🤓)
@@bedroommusicproducer Totally 💯 100 💯 percent agree with you for sure it’s almost 😅 exactly like reading a chapter book 📖 but instead of having pages of paper 📝 in the chapter book 📖 but there’s actually music 🎼 🎶 🎵 for our ears 👂 for us to hear 👂 so that we could be able to hear 👂 the book aka album 💿 instead of just look 👀 at the book 📖 📕 📚 with our eye 👁 much easier to be honest with you Nathan you are the coolest music 🎼 🎶 🎵 teacher 👨🏫 too. Check out LNA Does Audio Stuff she is also a RUclips channel and she also does music 🎼 stuff just like you to be honest you guys have something in very common to be honest.
@@bedroommusicproducer ruclips.net/video/YGkgkL5h8bs/видео.html
@@bedroommusicproducer aka the numbers that are beside the song title like 1.What I’m Looking For
So wait in your honest opinion why is an album 💿 if it’s 12 tracks or 13 tracks or even 14 tracks or even 15 tracks or even 14 tracks in your honest opinion when listening 👂 to a studio album 💿 I know that a album 💿 is a collection of audio recordings issued as a single idem that’s what Jonathan Miller music said to me or a collection of audio recordings issued as a collection by defining online like free dictionary or Wikipedia so why and how by listening 👂 to a studio album 💿 like Polythene or there is nothing left to lose or any other studio album 💿 that are out there in the world 🌍 🌎 🗺 are viewed as one big story?
You did not bring the sound level to the sweet spot at all for the plugin to do what it is intended for.
yes I quess depending on the genre of music they can be completely different type of concepts.
You’re an awesome 😎 RUclips channel.
Thanks Luke! It's been awesome to have you here 👊
@@bedroommusicproducer np 😉 😌 😉 Nathan.
Buddy, all credit to Jaycen, but there are people that spent 40 years more in the studio, producing some of the great music ever. Not Nicky Minaj, sorry. I hate gatekeeping, I hate people who stand in a way of progress and talk only about "olden days" but pls dont call someone like that goat sound engineer.
Appreciate this comment Nemanja. I'm thankful for the impact Jaycen specifically has had on me, and this video captured that excitement. I apologize if that excitement came off as arrogance, I'm not at all trying to suggest Jaycen is the ONLY "goat" nor am I oblivious of the many "goats" far before Jaycen's time that I've learned so much from as well. I certainly don't know everything, and I'm always interested in learning from anyone. Who are some sound engineers that have really impacted you in a positive way? Best 👊🏻
@@bedroommusicproducer Oh pls dont apologize mate, no reason to. I maybe came across as agressive, my apologies for that. So if you ask me, I myself, being audio engineer and music producer for almost 30 tyears now, I appreciate every one of hard working people in the industry. Who inspires me? Well, starting from Glyn Jones, Andrew Wallace, Michael Beinhorn, Andrew Schepps, Joe Baresi, Dave Botrill, Marthin Hannet, Brendan O'Brien - and then so many different people from monsters like Brian Eno, Peter Gabriel, Vangelis, Jarre, to people like RDJ, Boards of Canada, Chemical Brothers, Crystal Method, so many guys who surfed on a 90's wave of being both musicians and producers for their own work, like Tricky. And also, guys who worked as producers for mainstream giants, like Rick Rubin. I mean, when we are talking goats, if there is such a thing in such a diverse and ambiguous "category".
But even in such songs, . If you’re describing a state of mind, for example, you will want to convey to your audience through your lyric what is causing the state of mind. In other words, even in such songs, there is a story.
Your the true beast tho lol
Stay blessing your god I’m sure he’ll bless u at the end as well lol
Hype. My Master FX chain sounds better than this plug in.
Seige, I keep going back and forth between this plugin and my normal master chain... what do you like about your mstr chain opposed to the god particle? Just curious 👊🏻
@@bedroommusicproducer In my honest opinion upon using the demo I felt it didnt compliment my sound. I had the pleasure of a song I produced being mixed by JJ. I wasnt in the room and I wish I couldnt had just a little bit more input before it being rushed out but hey it happens.. But I dont believe in one size fit all plug ins. If you are new to mixing and maybe not understand the fundamentals then hey go for it.. but I rather use my favorite logic compressor and my Fabfilter Q3 or stock Logic EQ and my favorite waves plug ins on my master. Because it ultimately gives me MY sound.
Talk about a sponsored review..jeez. Doesn't even use the plug-in correctly and already praising it haha
No sponsorship! Just grateful for all Jaycen has taught and made available to everyone. First impressions are exciting (especially for a nerd like me), pumped to continue learning the plugin and how it'll help the songs I'm make! All the best Seathasky 👊🏻
mono lmao
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Sorry LeBon! Hopefully another review helped better 👊🏻
Similar to Brainworx bx_masterdesk it would be an interesting comparison.....
ahh I've been itching to try the bw masterdesk out myself... would you recommend?
@@bedroommusicproducer Yes I would, it is easy to use and gives you amazing results instantly.