Can this plugin really replace all my mix bus processing? - Cradle God Particle Plugin

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  • Опубликовано: 21 янв 2025

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  • @LanewoodStudios
    @LanewoodStudios  2 года назад

    Which mix bus processing did you prefer?

    • @philipgebhardt3453
      @philipgebhardt3453 2 года назад

      I use the Waves SSL Bus compressor and after that I use a plugin called 'Flavour' by Variety of sound which is basically like a Pultec eq

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  2 года назад

      @@philipgebhardt3453 haven’t heard of the second one. Will need to check it out.

    • @philipgebhardt3453
      @philipgebhardt3453 2 года назад +2

      I kind of preferred your original mix buss-the second one seemed a bit brighter

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  Год назад

      @Eph2:8-9 thanks for listening.

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  Год назад

      @@stevedang1397 thanks for listening and weighing in!

  • @Skye-Song
    @Skye-Song 2 года назад +20

    MUCH more clarity, internal integrity and harmony, warmth, richness and fullness of sound in your own mix. You are really good at what you do, and I would never exchange the many careful and deeply considered choices you have made in crafting your own mix with the 'indiscriminate' output of a single plugin that pays no heed to all those choices. Many thanks for all you share on your channel - always interesting, helpful, well considered and of real substance and value. You're a stand-out favourite.

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  2 года назад +3

      Wow, thank you very much for all that praise 😁. I am not considering actually replacing my mix bus processing but just wanted to hear the difference. It’s pretty good for a single, all in one, mix bus processor if you don’t want to dig into all the details like I do 😉.

  • @quaedistribuicaodigital9343
    @quaedistribuicaodigital9343 2 года назад +9

    The guitars were a bit more clearly defined with the God Particle, but the overall mix has much more power with your mix bus processing. (Hi from Brazil!)

  • @QFXmusic
    @QFXmusic 2 года назад +3

    I have been using it for the past month and find it really glues the mix together :-)

  • @NikolausBrocke
    @NikolausBrocke 2 года назад +3

    Very good comparison. Your conclusion hits the point. I agree.

  • @vektacular
    @vektacular Месяц назад

    Yes!!! Love it!

  • @jenslempke7501
    @jenslempke7501 Год назад +1

    I use a masterchannel chain already at the tracking stage. This consists of God Particle for lifting/boosting the sound in general, especially the lower mids, Fresh Air from Slate Digital to open up the wideness and make the mids and highs sparkle without being oversaturated, then finally BB tubes from Waves for punch and tube feel on the drums and lower ends. Finally I use Soundtoys Rack 5 with phase shift and sometimes echoboy and a little eq:ing on synths/keys and SSL Drumstrip for tightning up drums and percussion.
    This means my mixing process after audio bounce only contains minor adjustments with eq, compression and creative effects plus reverb/delay.

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  Год назад

      Wow that’s a lot of processing on the way in. Can that really be the same for every mix?

  • @LVE2103
    @LVE2103 2 года назад +1

    The vibe I immediately get is GP comes off more as another tool, than an end all be all. It's not often, but there are times when efficiency & keeping my momentum going is important enough for me to go with a simpler choice during any given phase in the process of finishing a track, outside of mastering. In those cases, I think GP might do quite well. When I'm really deep in the trenches, making micro-decisions that may go unnoticed by all but those with very trained ears, I would likely default to tools in which I have invested much more time & intuitive feel for. There's also a particular quality to the mids/low-mids I think GP does a pretty solid job of adding, but my ear seems to catch a bit of loss of high-end clarity & sparkle using GP vs your own earlier mixes. It may be that you didn't mix in to GP from the start as you said, so it's hard to say GP couldn't garner similar results if you begin the mix with it. I just don't think I would personally risk sacrificing the dynamics and high end clarity, unless that's what I felt the specific track called for, or I was pressed for time. Just my two cents.

  • @synthoelectro
    @synthoelectro 2 года назад +2

    Your original mix chain is more pleasing and natural to my JBLs. I prefer them over the God particle. I think the God Particle is pretty good, it's about preference.

  • @alexanderewing3779
    @alexanderewing3779 4 месяца назад

    One by IK Multimedia on the mixbus, for me. Sometimes the Lurssen Mastering Console, on the mixbus, some Tape Emulation then into the Pro L2, on the stereo out. I think the G.P is for professional mixers, whose time means money. Personally, it would take part of the fun of mixing but i'm sure it sparkles in all the right places!

  • @billymack4258
    @billymack4258 Год назад +1

    Great video and song! I liked both mixes I think that God Particle Plugin was a little bit smother and seem to round off the kick and bass guitar with a little more sparkle and warmth on the mix. I'm currently trying the plugin out. I really liked your lead vocal. I would like to know what plugins you used on the channel inserts and what reverb/ delays effect were used also the vocal external chain was used too. Thanks so much for your time and talent. 😎

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  Год назад +1

      Thank you! Not sure of your mean the first or second song but for the first song I did a live stream going over the whole mix: Checking out an acoustic mix!
      ruclips.net/user/liveTjNUnGCrXtk?feature=share

  • @gius_taakstudio
    @gius_taakstudio 2 года назад

    At 5:21 regarding (not) hitting the high band, Jaycen said is ok/expected to not hit the high band a lot or at all. So all cool :) - Nice music btw. Cheersss

  • @aviatedviewssound4798
    @aviatedviewssound4798 2 года назад

    I love the original mix bus processing.

  • @jejealin
    @jejealin Год назад

    Tus videos son excelentes!!!GRacias

  • @sunyclubband4203
    @sunyclubband4203 2 года назад

    sometimes I use it as part of my process chain, I never use it individually in the master, sometimes something revealing comes up and other times not so revealing, it is one more sauce in the industry

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  2 года назад

      Yeah that’s an idea too. Thanks for sharing.

  • @Shatky
    @Shatky 2 года назад +2

    the originals sounded clearer, that's for sure. but in some way I liked how vocals had more low mid weight in GP versions. Going back to the original question I think yes , for the quick mix buss treatment and if its not the final master it can replace all the carefully tuned inserts and save time. The difference is there but its not night and day. and might be even less if you mix into the GP plugin from early stage.

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  2 года назад

      Great to hear your input on this. It is definitely easier to use!

  • @RicoLee27
    @RicoLee27 5 месяцев назад

    Apperently the high end target is not vosualiser because he keeps the highs uncompressed. So it is done by ear. But no idea why they added it to the ui is the high is always non visualised

  • @FLAVMEDIA
    @FLAVMEDIA 2 года назад +1

    Mid range is Big on GOD Particle..

  • @LESHED1
    @LESHED1 2 года назад +3

    So I will add my 2 cents: I think for the first song your original mix is by fur better. On the secons song I find the God Particle sounds better. So my conclution stays and is that there no "one stop shop" solution when it comes to mastering. It is caes by caes senario while my impression is that the God Particle plugin is another good tool to have in the Mastering plugin bank. Thank you Maartren for another interesting video!

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  2 года назад

      Thanks for checking in 👍.

    • @simonslee73
      @simonslee73 2 года назад +1

      Agreed, the 2nd mix with GP seemed to have a bit more depth. Seems to work best on full mixes

  • @joshuaaa89
    @joshuaaa89 Год назад +1

    Question: can't you just use GP and tweak it after to make it more wide and less harsher for example with some things you already had on your mix buss? That way the GP is a tool to come close to what is needed and you tweak to taste after. Playing around above 100% can be good as well, it depends per song. Gulfoss is a good one to put after GP as well and the limiter of Gp only 2 or 3 db and another limiter after that that does 2 or 3 db, that way you are not pushing one which helps against harshness and/or distorting. Could you play around with it like this and let me know what you think after please.

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  Год назад

      Hi yes that might be an option to make it sound more similar. But in this video I just wanted to see whether it could replace everything on my bus as advertised. By the way I can no longer try your suggestions as my trial of the particle has run out.

    • @joshuaaa89
      @joshuaaa89 Год назад +1

      @@LanewoodStudios ah okay, thanks for your response.

    • @trock536
      @trock536 Год назад +1

      I agree, Joshua. Also, below 100% can be more suitable for some mixes - I find 100% is rarely what I need on existing mixes - it's different song-by-song. Probably would be more workable for mixes that were mixed into GP at 100% from the start. And I also love to use it with Gullfoss too. These two (and maybe a tad of the Brainworx Focusrite SC on occasion) have been replacing most of the other plugins that were on my mix bus.

  • @michaelmos7497
    @michaelmos7497 2 года назад +1

    You should consider the following: The original mixes sound so good because the dear and friendly colleague at Lanewood Studios has been working with such plugins for years and now knows what he has to do to make it sound so good in the end. This can take years! The more plugins are inserted, the greater the risk that "inexperienced sound tweaks" will degrade the sound (the mix).
    And now this one Cradle God Particle Plugin comes along and is able to generate almost as good mixes. And here and there maybe (...) even (slightly) "better" mixes. A single plugin! Think about what that means...
    The other thing is this: have you ever considered how music is mostly listened to these days? In our home studios, amateur or semi-professional, we listen to these comparison mixes with full concentration and via headphones and then notice any subtle (!) changes. We have more or less trained ears.
    And now I ask you: The people who listen to their Mp3 songs with Bluetooth headphones on the tram, bus or train, in the gym, while cycling, jogging, shopping in the city, etc., notice them at all fine subtle changes?!? We've been messing around for hours with mid/side, saturation, 0.5 dB here and 0.5 dB there... all subtle changes and subtleties that I don't think these Mp3 and music consumers notice at all... Mind you: I'm referring only fine and subtle changes and not whether the mix booms in the low end and the highs are much too harsh. Because everyone hears something like that, even normal and untrained standard music consumer ears. But we have fun with the fine adjustment, but more or less (!) we do it all for ourselves... and that's a nice job after all...🍀🍀🍀

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  2 года назад +1

      Oh yes I absolutely know what you mean and it is a very valid reason for this plugin to be there and be liked so much. Maybe I'm a bit surprised by the praise it gets from all the big names, because I'm pretty sure they can surpass the results of a single magical plugin. But if you're new to the game, it will probably get you better results than going the traditional way, and it is definitely more easy to setup.
      As for the listening habits nowadays, yes a valid point as well, but it does not make me try less hard to get the best sound I can get. For myself and the few who want to appreciate that side of a song. Thanks for watching and sharing your well considered opinion on all of this!

    • @michaelmos7497
      @michaelmos7497 2 года назад +1

      Thank you very much for your feedback. That exactly how I see it to. Achieving the best possible sound for me. That's why I thought more or less, we do it to our own satisfaction. It's ok.

  • @joearsenault4024
    @joearsenault4024 Год назад

    The Clarity and depth of the low end of the God Particle Is better but no one yet has looked at it with oversampling which is significantly different. and yes oversampling is a processing Hog. I would mix into the standard sampling version, turn it off , export the mix and master the stereo track with oversampling.

  • @ruudjansen2412
    @ruudjansen2412 2 года назад

    Very interesting episode!, thanks for the good work. I wonder how you see this Particle Plugin in relation to eg Ozone of Izotope and its mater assistent. And what also struck me is that you hardly use stock CB plugins in your master chain.. you think these are not good enough? 😊

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  2 года назад

      I don’t have a lot of experience with Ozone so can’t say. What I’ve seen of it though is that Ozone tailors the setting more to the material at hand.
      And yes you are right, I don’t use stock plugins very often. I think the bought plugins inspire me more but I did compare a mix with stock plugins and a certain bought channel strip. Check it out: ruclips.net/video/vV-puN5XlSE/видео.html

  • @jukkaposti4198
    @jukkaposti4198 2 года назад

    The original bott songs. They have a Nice clearence

  • @gnomerod
    @gnomerod Год назад

    I haven't seen a single mix (including on Jaycen's videos) where the highs meet the target on The God's Particle....I think he mentions that if you see the high band hitting the target, that means you're over doing it

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  Год назад

      Yes I’ve seen that somewhere later as well 👍.

  • @in2gadgets
    @in2gadgets 2 года назад

    Great video - but I can't afford the plugin at the moment 😞

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  2 года назад

      I didn’t buy it yet either. Just used the trial for the video. Maybe when it’s on sale.

  • @ramspencer5492
    @ramspencer5492 Год назад

    I heard him say that the high target isn't really a target like the other two. It's a warning. That if he goes over it's definitely gotten too crispy. Also he didn't really recommend mixing into something else and switching after. But to mix into it from the beginning.

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  Год назад +1

      Yes I heard that later too, about the high target. As for the test, I just wanted to hear the difference with the same mix. Results may have been better when inserting the GP from the start indeed.

    • @ramspencer5492
      @ramspencer5492 Год назад

      @@LanewoodStudios I'm going to demo this for myself soon. I really don't it would be the only plugin on for masterbus for me, or that is use the limiter (lots of aliasing) but the targets especially have me really curious. Apparently some people want to dial back what it does a little bit, and just turn the input signal down by one DB as a starting point.
      15 times Grammy winner who actually uses this plug-in instead of hardware anymore (of everyone is telling the truth, which I think he is) it's worth a little investigation and experimentation.

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  Год назад +1

      @ramspencer5492 yes do try it out for yourself and maybe let us know here how it works for you 👍.

  • @steviebuoy320
    @steviebuoy320 Год назад

    I think the God Particle sounds quite harsh in comparison.

  • @peterm13
    @peterm13 Год назад

    The music is good, is there anywhere to find it? (edit, okay there is a link)

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  Год назад +1

      Thanks. The acoustic song still needs to be released. It will be out 22nd of April 2023.

    • @don2nd650
      @don2nd650 Год назад

      @@LanewoodStudios is inner drive on any streaming platforms I cant find it anywhere :{

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  Год назад

      @@don2nd650 it no longer is as it is a very old release that was on one of our first EPs. I’m using a more recent remix in the video but it did not make it onto a new release.

    • @don2nd650
      @don2nd650 Год назад +1

      @@LanewoodStudios song is fire🔥 I’m trying to listen to the full thing

  • @BCRilakuma
    @BCRilakuma 2 года назад

    The original mix of both songs are better.
    The 1st song sounds similar but the original one is a bit warmer and not harsh in the high frequency.
    The 2nd one got a significant difference. The original one is much better. The God one seems a bit louder but it sounds very digital and harsh on the top en. The original one sounds warmer and smoother on the top end.
    However, for a quick demo mastering this plugin is a killer👍

  • @studioryde
    @studioryde 2 года назад +1

    The first song, your setup is better, lovely highs and not boomy in the mids. The second, I prefer the bass presence of GP. I will definetly stick with Ozone pro anyway, only one kill-them-all plugin.

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  2 года назад +1

      Yes I can see what you are saying. Ozone is more for mastering isn’t it? Or can you also use it for the mix bus?

    • @studioryde
      @studioryde 2 года назад +2

      @@LanewoodStudios You are right, Ozone is for mastering. I was considering that a mix bus can be the master bus. But it can still be used on a vocal bus, a strings bus and so on. While I am writing, all my congratulations for your channel, you are very generous, courteous and friendly. Keep up the good work !

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  2 года назад

      @@studioryde thanks and I will 😁.

  • @YkItzUnknwn
    @YkItzUnknwn Год назад

    i like yours better for the first and the second one with the god particle

  • @Al69BfR
    @Al69BfR 2 года назад

    To me it sounds like the god particle add something in the low mid range what makes the sound a little bit warmer but leads to the voice not being as clear is in the original mix especially with lower notes. #imho And in the second mix it‘s not so much the voice that gets affected but the overall mix is on my TV speakers a little bit unbalanced in the mids. Again #imho

  • @jazzylamel
    @jazzylamel 2 года назад +8

    To me the original mixes on both songs sound better than that plugin does.

  • @ohtoriginalhimbeertoni
    @ohtoriginalhimbeertoni 2 года назад

    Der Original Mix klingt offener und knackiger, aber für nur ein Plugin ziemlich gut ...

  • @mrmorpheus9707
    @mrmorpheus9707 6 месяцев назад

    Why doesnt anyone follow manual instructions...MIX THRU IT"

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  6 месяцев назад

      Yes well this was already mixed and I wanted a quick comparison of the difference in sound.

  • @yachi7402
    @yachi7402 Год назад

    i like your channel, mix choices and the way you present it greeat job, just put less threshold on your Deesser...... just a joke bro❤

  • @kingyasofficial
    @kingyasofficial 2 года назад

    I think the god particle is better with bass heavy songs

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  2 года назад

      It does do its thing more to my liking on that live track with more bass.

  • @TripleS65
    @TripleS65 2 года назад +1

    I don't think there's a plug-in that works wonders in this situation. It doesn't sound bad but i liked the orignal mixes better. I preferr to know what you're doing on you're mixbus instead of a "magical" plugin that should take care of everything without knowing whats happening under the hood.

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  2 года назад

      Me too, unless it magically sounds way better 😎😉.

  • @ziebanez
    @ziebanez 2 года назад +1

    To me your own mixes sounds more open.....

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  2 года назад

      Yes I think that’s the difference in the mids/low mids. Thanks for listening!

  • @Gguitarist1
    @Gguitarist1 2 года назад

    GP not bad for what it does. Kinda dirty though. Some people like that.

  • @RJ1J
    @RJ1J 2 года назад

    The whole point of The God Particle is to mix into it, so this test is pointless. Sorry. It's a tool to help with mixing. It's not meant to be a replacement for a mix bus chain. Also, bear in mind, Joshua would do all this heavy master processing with a mastering engineer with a ton of outboard EQs, compressors and saturation. The God Particle is designed to create a full and nicely level mix, ready for intensive mastering.

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  2 года назад

      Thanks for commenting. Yes that's also the way I tend to use mix bus processing, not as a replacement of a nice analog mastering job. I also mentioned in the video that I did not mix into the GP plugin so results would probably have been different had I done that. Just wanted to have a try at what the difference is in the sound that I'm getting by just flat-out replacement.

  • @marcokorda8725
    @marcokorda8725 Год назад

    The God Particle in both mixes sound NOT good in my ears and in my studio environment. i would never mix it it to that point unless it is a specific radio mix maybge. Maybe it works for specific genres or mixes but I found your mixing much better and pleasent to my ears. I am working as a mastering engineer, though I'd prefer your mix. Fürthermore for me, the magic of outboard cannot be even touched by this plugin.

    • @LanewoodStudios
      @LanewoodStudios  Год назад

      Thanks for listening and providing your assessment. 👍

  • @0rican
    @0rican 2 года назад

    For my ears The originals are Much much better ; Fuller ,deeper and truly reflected the vibe of the songs .with the god its its a bit Shallow ,the lows are clouded ,and the highs too high

  • @davidvochocjr1005
    @davidvochocjr1005 2 года назад

    Originals! Much more pleasant for listening, the plugin is too aggressive for my taste

  • @GetSongsDone
    @GetSongsDone 2 года назад

    No

  • @EdwinDekker71
    @EdwinDekker71 2 года назад

    Masonic penalty sign in the thumbnail