We Need To Talk About Tales of Arise...
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Having finished Tales of Arise on the PS4 recently, I have some things I want to say about it...
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Oh I've got the artbook with their ages on it.
Alphen is 21, Shionne is 19, Rinwell is 14, Law is 16, Kisara is 25 and Dohalim is 28.
I knew rinwell was young but damn not that young. Also it's interesting that Aplhen is older than Shipment cause she feels more mature so you don't really feel a difference in age. Kisara feels about right Dohalim surprises me but it make sense when you consider hes been a lord for 7 years
Alphen is actually 321 years old
@@matheus-sm7860 nice spoiler alert
Alphen 21, damn, i thought him to be 24, 25 at least
@@Konflick25769 I didnt revealed anything relevant to the plot, though.
I'm just glad that upgrading weapons, armor, and accessories were so much easier compared to Zestiria and Berseria. I hated having to individually level up everything then fusing it then leveling them up again to make anything remotely useful. Other than the money issue it was as simple as do you have these items then boom a new piece of equipment ready to go.
w8 there was weapon and armor upgradeing in Arise
@@sagermeister326 Well armors you just have to buy or find. But yeah, weapons can be upgraded at different points in the game.
Most weapons have a base form then the game gives you the recipes to upgrade them later like the Wind Sword to the Refined Wind Sword to the Supreme Wind Sword.
Money issue? I completed it after 70 hours with 600.000 gold to spare. I didn't know what to buy with it. I am also a completionist and didn't skip any fight in the game.
@@DrMike18 ooo cus i have yet to upgrade my weps and i beat the game lol
@@CozNothingIsForever exactly... I didn't have 600.000, just 400.000 gold (still need to do that mission where you have a rematch with all the lords) but it's the same point, how do people have money issues? Some chests even give ridiculous amounts of gold for no reason.
I just got my platinum yesterday and I love it! I love all the characters too and I agree Shionne is the most prettiest Tales female I’ve seen too. And the framerate drops for the PS4, yes its true especially during boost strikes and when you’re in Viscint, the mini map doesnt show up for a few seconds. This is actually my favorite Tales game of all time, I’m a sucker for romantic anime/video games. 😅
I like bitter sweet endings more ig tbh, I think it maybe would have been cool if in the second half Shionne(Xion) became the main character?
I've been playing the PS5 version but I have the PS4 version as well. Wonder if the PS4 version performs better played on the PS5?
@@kokushibyō-f9i come on nothing wrong with a happy ending from time to time every thing lately has to be dim and gloom and be down to reality
Is this... Me?
Getting them on ps5 too
The story's concept was good in my opinion. The themes were solid. The main problem was when it started info dumping and rushing the 2nd part. They should've have taken Show Don't Tell approach and developed it more. Another problem was the final antagonist. He had a lot of potential but was underdeveloped.
Sounds like they rushed it towards the end to get it released.
That's how I felt about Black Alberich in TOCS. I guess Ozzy made up for it though. Considering your pfp, I imagine you know what I'm talking about.
@@Sight-Beyond-Sight I agree, and I think it becomes obvious with the 4-5 credits drawings, where they show what happens with the characters. I am sure they wanted to animate it like any other important part of the game, but they just had to rush it, like the rest of part 2.
This happened a lot. Also, count the amount of times a characters says, "So, you're saying..." or "You're saying..."
Once I noticed, I could not stop.
So it's basically FF8 lol
I love the character interactions in the skits like how Rinwell, Hootle's and Law's relationship is. I'm close to finishing Arise I've been ignoring gaming channels with spoilers until I complete the game it's been a challenge
i never understood why people avoid playthroughs/walkthroughs like the plague, ESPECIALLY if its channels that don't have commentary
there's nothing spoilery about it, they just play the game, your reactions will be the same
@@CallieBlader Its how I enjoy JRPG games I avoid play through videos until my second play through for stuff I missed or to beat higher difficulty levels
@@JimboShogun0686 you'd still get the same enjoyment of the story and characters if you watch a play/walkthrough
the only thing that'll be different is playstyle and your luck
@@CallieBlader I like the feeling of accomplishment of beating a game with my own skills and strategic thinking. I won't get that enjoyment watching RUclipsers playing the game before I even beat the game
The game seems more adequately balanced on Hard. Aside from the Lords though, those can be a bit brutal "maybe a little too hard".
I agree with that. I'm playing it on hard and lowering it on the bosses (after trying a couple of times oc). Up to now, I haven't been in a money problem of any sort, same with craft materials. I'm finishing the wind-mastercore part with plenty of resources (maybe not that much items, but still) with a very high spectation for what's to come. Other point that I want to share is that, maybe, playing the game so much in little time is what is making you see those flaws that much. I've been enjoying it an hour or two max per day and it's feels like watchin an anime episode. I recommend playing it in that way (and mastering the hard or moderate difficulty in normal battles)
I think i disagree. Played on hard, towards the end, I find the final dungeon mobs to be harder than the actual final boss who was a cakewalk to fight. I actually think Ganabelt was the hardest fight I had
@@DanTE_1203 Me too - well, until a certain post endgame fight (that ended up being fight(s)) which was a life bottle chug. Past the midway point of the game fights got easier; not because enemies were pushovers but because your team had enough skills and artes to be self-sustaining to a point.
@@FrizFroz well its post game. Besides the cameo fights are the real hard fights
@@DanTE_1203 I haven't finished the game yet myself. But sweet Jesus was Ganabelt a pain in the butt! Him and the Great Dragon Zeugle was absolute torture to plow through. Luckily nothing to detour me directly from the game :)
To counter the battle system, I liked it in the released game more than the demo, but I think that was because you get to slowly learn each aspect of the battle system and master it. In the demo I was struggling to understand everything.
The demo was pretty bad tbh because it lulls the player into a false sense of hope. It makes the combat seem better than it actually is
Long story short, arise really raised the bar. This game may not be perfect, but it's a huge step towards the evolution of the tales of series.
its perfect 😊 dude
@@aqua6887 has a lot of typos and it seems like your party members are completely useless story wise. Whenever theres a battle theyre always in the back looking defeated or exhausted and they never have fighting screen time
@@helloneighbour2408 every all people in this world say this game is masterpiece oke understand ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@aqua6887 no they don't lol game is FAR from perfect I know 10 things off the top of my head that aren't huge issues with this game.
@@helloneighbour2408 my party was never like this. They were dishing out crazy damage and even using their artes effectively. Plus you are supposed to be switching to set up huge damage.
I'm only about half way through the game but am enjoying the story a lot. I appreciate the fact that they tackle mature themes.
and they tackle them well. Like racism, where characters don’t just start being accepting each other in a second. It takes time for Rinwell to accept Dohalim, and even then her aprehension to anything Renan comes up once in a while in some circumstances. She acts like a person would.
OK I just about to beat it, and the story has grinded to a halt. I feel like the last 20% is nothing but cut scene.
Tales of Graces F also goes to space and in a more unbelievable way. Tales of Symphonia uses Dimensional warps on flying scooters. Like I am fine with the space travel. Considering tales games have done crazier things.
It’s almost always another world with advanced technology. Either space or alternate dimension type stuff, arise made just as much since as any tales story
@@Scrumpdaddy Star Ocean too
I think the biggest issue with the game was the enemy variety. 30 hours in and I'm still facing boars and wolves and those mossel electric things. The bosses are excellent but everything in between is literally doing the Grandma's Boy solution of changing the wolves to green for this level. Other than that, best combat of the series by a mile and I went right into it after playing Berseria and Berseria feels like a PS2 game by comparison. They have the template down now and the more mature tone is a huge plus as lets be honest, the majority of Tales fans are in their 20s and prefer to follow adults rather than "children of destiny" part 2300. Ray Chase was also fantastic as Alphen too, and the way you keep all characters involved even if they're not in the starting lineup was great as well.
How's the grind? Is the level gap between you and the bosses unfairly wide or within reasonable reach?
@@williamzou8833 I think I'm in the endgame (around 80% done with the game) now and I have been playing on Hard since the beginning with no DLC, but the grind is non-existent. I am always at the same level as mobs, some bosses are naturally higher levelled than you, but they're never at the point where they could kill your entire party in 5 seconds.
There are some sidequests and post-game dungeons which are significantly higher level than you which are available to you once you reach the halfway point, but that's understandable cause they're endgame content.
@@williamzou8833 no grind at all except for items and healing items. Those you have to grind to get enough of at least on moderate.
the combat was amazing for a long time, but near the end.... it was a struggle, every enemy is a big boy and the grind to kill those guys was way too much. I ended up running past past what enemies I could. Saying that it was a great game and could be made even better with a few tweaks.
Omg finally someone mentions this, this is the first tales game i played and i loved it it just every enemy is a fkn dmg sponge not just the bosses, i got into a loop of death on the rena part i had to lower the difficulty and that barely made a difference, instead of fighting 3 enemies that are dmg sponges why dont they give waves of enemies to kill like the KH games, i dont mind bosses being sponges but every damn enemy was, literally had to skip the 5 astral separator fights at the end cause i ran out of items and had to fast travel back to buy more items then start at the beginning of that level running past every enemy to get back to the point i left at
"There's way too many skits" I mean when you come from Berseria it really doesnt feel that way for me.
Also I have to strongly disagree on the slog of a relationship you mentioned between Alphen and Shionne and comparing them to Rinoa and Squall is to me a bit excessive. Shionne's not your run of the mill princess. She's neither a Rinoa, nor an Estelle. Her past and her vision of the future does not allow her the freedom to fall in love. Alphen has his own struggles, not being in the same generation, his sin, his gratitude to Naori. There was not a point I felt like "just tell them you love each other!" because I always perceived the scenes as they already know, yet until everything dies down, they both know they cant further their feelings.
Excuse the long rant but seeing the dynamic of my favourite Tales couple criticised to that extent feels wrong for me. Cheers.
Spoilers, don't know if you've finished the game
They do know, before they go to Rena shionne says to alphen "say it after this is over"
@@pralenkaman8105 lol i came to write this as well 😂📝
You said it all bruh. And for the crafting weapon system, it's logic giving the story you're in. They not gonna sell weapon to Dhanean for free there would be civil war 24/7. So you have to craft your way out. For me it clearly wasn't a problem at all, since having stronger weapons clearly doesn't garrantue your lost/win in a fight
All the while i was going "oh shit she wants the dannan bro give her the dannan!"
That's what I noticed too. Good thing the animation and dialogue are good otherwise I'd skipped.
I just finished it today and all the post game content. Loved it!
I also felt it is rushed towards the end. I think they still have plan for that final act but due to lack of tiime they just dump text on you. Still the best game I've played this year and one of the best jrpg I've played in recent years I like this more than super anime cliche persona 5.
I'll say this about the Post-Lord part of the game. It's not as bad as Xenogears, where they just dump a bunch of text on you, two dungeons and a handful of bosses and then after it's over, you lose access to most of the world's locations. And it's definitely nowhere near as bad as what they did with FFXV, where they killed several major characters offscreen and the second act of the story is a massive hallway. This game at least feels like they were able to do more to make it feel finished.
I think Scarlet Nexus was better, personally. Check it out if you haven’t already.
@@saklek4955 I did finished playing it and it's not lol
@@saklek4955 This is a guy who called Persona 5 anime cliche, I am not sure I would recommend him anything lol.
@@DKarkarov Honestly, I consider Persona 5 to be the worst Persona game, so I didn’t even bother to watch the anime. Persona 3 is my favorite (the first Persona game I played, so I have a bias), but I’m much more into mainline Shin Megami Tensei.
I was very impressed with the story. When I first got details about the group going around and fighting oppression I just imagined, okay, here we go "Tales of Woke", but in reality the story is very well balanced. The party learns to value the lives of both groups and even allows for redemption and forgiveness of the oppressor group. There are monologues that make it clear that even without the Renans, Danans have been oppressors in the past and the real goal here freedom from all forms of oppressors, not just to set up a new society that changes who the oppressors are. I was really impressed with the game tackling some real truths about human nature and the party actually considering the "is this worth it if we just free the Danans only to have Danans ruling over Danans?" This was thoughtful and well done in my opinion, I have high praise for this game's story.
Also a reveal that happens later that many will see coming really makes you think about the oppressor/victim narrative and who is really in control.
Tales of the woke? Is this your first entry to the series?
Fighting against racism and chattel slavery is "Tales of Woke?" That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard, but also is this your first tales of game? Classism, racism, unfair justice systems, and corrupt religious organizations are some of the many "woke" themes this series explores on a regular basis.
And this game's story is ass. It doesn't even answer those difficult questions. After Alphen deus ex machina's Shionne's thorns away, all you see is a mega happy ending credit sequence that doesn't address how their societies will function now and how they actually plan to fight discrimination and heal the scars between the two races.
And really? You think the answer is just forgiveness and that if Dahnan's got rid of the literal slave drivers, they'd become the new oppressors? This awful story must have been made for you.
@@skytiger215 Well it certainly wasn't made for you Karen.
@@edcorps2876 How stupid and immature do you have to be to just call me a "Karen" and not even try to engage with what I said? If you don't want to actually have a conversation, then don't post a comment saying dumbass things.
i also tought enemies had too much hp until i gave alphen a magic emblem with 4x 15%fire dmg and he started deleting everything
Hellmask Fiend Skull also makes fights go by faster (Increases damage and damage received by 100%). You get it by completing Dohalim’s advanced training
I think that the music in Dohalim's region is actually pretty good overall 😎😎😎
If you want to break the game equip this to Alphen
Magic Emblem with
15% Fire Damage
15% Fire Damage
15% Fire Damage
15% Fire Damage
Have all your Damage Near Death Skills acquired,
Get behind the enemy and Hold Infernal Torrent till you only have 1hp
This is risky because some opponent's have an aoe or can attack an opponent that is behind them
@@richardanderson6531 the trick is to do it when you use your Allie’s boost attack to stun them based on their archetype
@@richardanderson6531 just use it after the enemy attacks I purposely didn’t do this because it was already op without the magic emblems lmao and if u use and Ariel burst art and u hold a ground burst art it’ll go off right away so less chance for enemy to attack
@Gendilann Where is the best place to farm the materials with 15% fire damage? I only found a level 2 one so far.
@@ChaseWSanders I managed to get those mainly near end game. I didn’t really need them I there than to clear post game. Im assuming you can find them near the sub quests to defeat the four lights maybe?
So glad you got a chance to play this game! I agree with you that the battle system is great, and your comparison to Graces is spot on given how the devs cited that as an inspiration for its combat and progression system!
As far as the story goes, I enjoyed it myself though I also get your criticisms of it. The devs mentioned in an interview that the story is inspired by the games that have come before, and there’s quite a few callbacks. That said, I don’t think that came across in the story and this might’ve been a case of the devs forcing an idea onto something that could potentially be more compelling or more indicative that it’s an homage to Tales stories of the past.
What I also agree with your review is it’s music. It felt more Western RPG inspired, which I speculate was done to appeal to more mainstream players, but I don’t think it worked out. I was really surprised how different the sound was compared to Berseria and got confused for a second. I heard that Legendia’s soundtrack is incredible, which was actually done by someone else, but maybe this is a situation where Sakuraba needs a break from the series, given that he’s been a part of the games for decades at this point.
Always glad to watch your videos man! Looking forward to the next one as always
Tales of Arise is amazing! Love the new cast and battle system!
Depends what cast you're talking about.
My experience with this game was the polar opposite of my experience with Tales of Berseria.
Loved the gameplay, the story never clicked.
By the final dungeon, after four skits in a row, I started button mashing through them to get back to combat.
Oh boy .. If you think berseria's story is good then tales of arise must be awful. Berseria's story is so bland and the charcters so cliché...tales of games are so overrated. Never buying this one
@@gamsolar156 quiet u clown
The Localization just falls off a cliff after you get to Niez. I was in the same place by the last dungeon... It was like aliens just babbling random plot words by then, contradicting themselves, etc.
@@gamsolar156 I agree. I want my $60 for this trash lol.
@@feo130 Bro never spend 60 dollars on a game. Only a few games in the history of video games deserve that. Tales of series are mid-tier at best. Excellent jrpgs are actually quite rare...the stories are generally for airheads who dont know a good story from a bad one.
The skits reveal plot development and character growth that are needed for the game.
True, but it can be annoying when I just got out of a cutscrene and then I gotta watch three skits in a row before I can start playing the damn game.
@@shogun1x : At least you can skip them and check them later, but that doesn't stop the tendency to feel like "I don't want to miss this, but also this is a lot to watch." Still nice on a repeat run.
I started playing the game a couple days ago and I actually really like it. It's really fun. I defeated the first lord and it was difficult but I managed to pull it off. The difficulty level is staggering but it's still fun
the second lord is a kick in the teeth. Prepare for that one.
Jrpgs are infamous for requiring tons of grinding to make the game comfortable unfortunately for some lol. It’s a fantastic game I’m glad you’re enjoying it
@@hex7515 If you’re trying to play the game on hard from the beginning it will require tons of grinding of ore and early on it can also be pretty hard with the first two lords. I agree though money has absolutely never been a problem for me
I went with the Xbox Series X edition because the PS5 version seems to stutter by 5-10 FPS here and there. It was very noticeable in the demo but it's buttery smooth on my Series X.
Just finished the game last night and on to the platinum road and Damn, I slept with a huge grin with that ending.
No Victory poses? I loved the Tales Victory pose at the end of a battle. That's not cool.
I think your tastes align a lot with mine. I'm a 40+ long time JRPG fan and I understand a lot of where you are coming from on your synopsis of the game.
Thanks for the great critique.
Taking away the after battle screen was one of the best thing this game did. The transition was smooth and didn't waste my time making me look at random stats every single time.
good decision in my opinion.
Yeah 100% with this. It makes the game flow so much better, especially since all that info is still present on the bottom left if you really care and want to see all the data you’re getting. I personally don’t and just immediately rush to the nearest resource/battle to continue on. Great decision.
i agree, i play every game on easy and decide from there if I enjoy it enough to invest time into the challenge.
Tales of Arise is the best JRPG atm even beating the Trails series or Persona at its best at least for me.
I agree, persona has a better off combat system but the combat system in Tales makes the game easier to finish. Persona is good, but the combat system gets boring around 4 castles in.
@@meowciferdeofol4809 I believe the setting and lore of Arise makes it far more superior than Persona. Persona has a good lore with those “Personas” but it gets a bit redundant with the themes even in their previous games. While Tales do have some similarities in preserving its theme like good and evil kind of concept, but the characters and its plot twist makes it more interesting not mentioning its awesome real time combat.
I don't agree with you on the Trails series because it has better writing, protagonists, antagonists,and musics is the best. Its does alot of things that tops most jrpg.
@@outkastshadowking2719 We have our own taste so what's good in you is not actually good in me. I am more attracted with the plot twists and fantasy setting in Tales. Trails on the other hand, each of the game is actually a continuation of the other that forms a gigantic plot, but the bosses are actually "meh". Tales is more varied and specific in each game and its characters are distinct as well, not just some pure student-instructor-knight kind of characters.
10:00 Despite what you like more, none of those Tales game sale over a million copies in a week after launch like Arise.
Yeah but sales doesn't mean you have to like it the best. Endgame sold the most out of the MCU but it still isn't my favorite/my personal best Marvel movie
@@haveagoodday7021 Not really saying that. I'm saying you should appreciate it more than the others considering it brought the franchise back up again. Because honestly the series has been going downhill for quite some time now.
@@FennelRPG Same applies to Genshin Impact in that logic. But Tales of Arise deserves it a lot more.
I love the game, love the combat, love the interactions between the characters. My only gripe with the game is the revelation of the big bad boss *spoiler*
Is basically an alien planet.
SPOILER
My gripe with the final battle was that Vholran, still completely convinced that he's the main villain, shows up and attacks you. If he'd had more presence throughout the story or had more of a personality other than, "I'm a jerk and I'm ok with that," it would've been fine. I LOVE the slow and well developed romance between Alphen and Shionne though, but that's another can of worms entirely.
Honestly, after a while, I was just fighting for that kiss scene. Still would’ve love something to happen with Law and Rinwell with all of the teasing, etc.
Don't worry, if Rinwell and Law won't be a thing in the future, i don't think that i understood romance in my almost 30 years, and i don't believe that, tbh. But yes, i agree, i wished there would be a bit of confirmation. And i also have to agree with your other point, towards the end i stopped caring for the story, i only fought for Alphen and Shionne, that was all that mattered to me, and i got what i wanted, a kiss AND even a WEDDING in the credits... more than i hoped for actually xD
@@Ultimabuster92 lol same i pogged at the wedding in the credits that shit was so cute.. i was enjoying the story up until the helganquil were revealed then i just stopped caring about anything other than my main party
Its so sad that the credit scene are not animated
Valid points and great take as usual. I'm pretty close to the end and it's still on course to end up one of my all time favorite games though.
You are still in the honeymoon phase. In time I bet your opinion will change.
@@Jack-ji8kr I have a feeling this will be the case but then again, Berseria was one of my fav games last gen and I like most aspects of this game even better. I also look forward to replaying it in a while.
@@vvolfflovv Men, I'm playing Berseria right now. What am worrying on is that there Will not be a better cast of characters than Berseria's cast. I have play many jrpg and to me, all the gang in Berseria are the best ones for a Long shot, all of them are so damn fun and I really like the fact that they are not the classic good guys that will save the day. For what I seen so far, Arise cast is good but I don't see them surpassing Berseria's cast anytime soon. That what makes doubt if buy or not.
@@raulm.3524 Personally, I still prefer Berseria's cast but not by much. Arise really fleshes out the characters, maybe even too much as some of the skits could have been trimmed down. The ending didn't blow me away for either game but the stories along the way made up for it in both. The combat truly shines in Arise and is an absolute blast though.
Hard mode is dumb for some fights, I had to knock it down to moderate for Ganabelt then I just decided to keep it there. Go for it, if you want to strategize how to beat them but most of the things I've read involve either not letting the AI do anything (sometimes just letting them die) or switching everything to manual, both of which will make any fight a major slog. I really didn't mind the hard difficulty with the character I was piloting but the problem was the AI just getting nuked right from the start and using up all my CP before I even get a heal myself. Just finished the 3rd lord and still having tons of fun, hope it ends well :)
The battle system is really good but some of the bosses are just insanely hard at times. I was 10 levels ahead of them and still getting 2 shot killed on normal.
same of the enemies had such crazy hp that some battles felt like they were taking half an hour to finish
@@A.Martin seriously, there were times when I would exit the game mid fight because a side quest boss fight was taking too long. I would restart, go find better items, and then come back to fight.
10 levels ahead?! I was on moderate and had no problems with any of the bosses as long as I was within a level or two under.
I actually killed Vholron the first time uploaded a save I made right before entering the boss arena and then killed him like 5 minutes faster the second time
They didn't just mix graces and berseria, they've thrown a bit of xillia there too with the air combos, which is great. Looking forward to your Graces F review since i discovered the series thanks to it.
Hard disagree. Xillia Graces F and Berseria rank amongst my top 3 for combat. Arise ranks amongst the worst. There are no similarities. Arise has no redeeming qualities other than the visuals
The skits are optional but you see the prompt you have to click It hehe
Level 85 now and i had 4000000 currency. Never had any money problem, but i did EVERYTHING as it became available, I even delayed the main story sometimes. I never grinded so you can avoid money problems just doing side missions and opening all the chests. (some chests give a ridiculous amount of money)
I’m so with you about the story. As beautiful and mature as the game looked the story telling was surprisingly childish.
It’s so frustrating to see so many of the vocal JRPG fans online defending games like this one when everyone is complaining about the story being too light. IT. IS. And some people(like me) can’t get into it because of that.
Not really. I think they just didn't have the time to tell the full story they wanted to tell, so they had to take shortcuts and improvise to avoid this game becoming another FFXV.
Yeah it's really frustrating.. I've finished the game, and I do like the characters and the story overall in general, but the game really digs its heels in and refuses to just break all the very worst anime tropes. That combat could have pulled me through ANY game, though.
@@SBaby i love FFXV maxed out everything
@@djw_tekken8490 Some people love french fries, still doesn't mean they aren't off poor nutrition.
Absolutely amazing game from combat to story to characters. The Japanese voice acting was great and even the English dub was pretty damn solid. Only thing I don't approve of the game is the DLC practices with level up dlc and outfits that unlock OP skills
Couldn't agree more. Especially since it was available on the day of release. And now they just put a dlc that is $16 and you get one boss fight, so maybe 3 minutes and two costumes and a new mystic art. Woopy doo
8:00 - The Tales of games almost ALWAYS have some kind of Sci-Fi theme to them though. Tales of Symphonia, which is considered by many people to be a masterpiece in the series is very heavily Sci-Fi themed. Not only that, but they establish early on in this game that Astral Energy is a biological part of all life and without it, people just turn into colorless primordial goo. On top of that, the invasion from 300 years ago involved ships that look like something out of Mass Effect. So the Sci-Fi themes are always present in Tales of Arise. They don't just come out of nowhere.
I thought it was very clear early on that there was sci-fi in the game
@@dustingonzalez8080 True! The manifestation of Astral energy into independent beings or objects (burning sword, fire giant) didn't come out of nowhere either. There was a lot of foreshadowing before the final act.
Yep already in Phantasia. The very first tales of.
Lenegis and “Renan” technology was also established very early on. Even some of the characters remarked on why some of the lords stylized their fortresses with Dahnan architecture when they could have just used all Renan architecture and technological advancements.
@@MaajidM The only thing they don't establish right away is the actual purpose of the Sovereign system, which is revealed way later in the game after the party leaves Dahna.
This is an old video, I know, but I just finished the game last night and wanted to comment. I concur with pretty much everything Erick says here. I loved the game and was drawn in by the characters and the beautiful environments. I do think the economy in the game pretty much sucks, including the need to craft AND pay for weapons. Also, I at end game I found myself traveling back to merchants WAY more than I should have due to being under leveled even on easy mode, and I did not skip out on fighting throughout the game. I actually did something I have never done before (as I am vehemently against pay to win schemes) and bought DLC in the form of an additional 10 levels and 100,000 gald just to get through the damned end game. Other than that, I will say that the characters were some of the best I've played in a Tales game and the story, at least up to the end game, was very, very good. Anyway, here's a belated thank you to Erick for another great video!
Have you tried eastward it’s reminds me of the old school snes JRPGs the dragon quest inspired mini game alone was well done as well.
I'm about to get back into that game and try to finish that mini game and explore the main game. I've never play a first person turn based until eastward and it battle system is very from the norm.
Battle system is YS-tier now
Yes it's as good as the ys games
I'm playing on the hardest difficulty and every boss is pretty much a nightmare. I don't know if I'll get through it's entirety because it's a bit too much at times.
For sure though Im playing on moderate the lord's are the hardest and most cheese ones especially towards the end of the health bar they can just spam the ultimates
I almost always play on the hardest difficulty but I turned it down to moderate about halfway through the game. Bosses started to annoy me a bit because they were just a massive item dump
@@Underournorthernstar I agree with you 100%. It's a guarantee you need to use tons of life bottles at which point it isn't really harder, you just need to farm enough to get said items. And with how scarce Gald is to begin with, it's not worth it.
Ganabelt gave me a hard time! But man was it satisfying after punching his face! :D Great game!
my favorite boss so far, and then that magical wench that i had to silence for good.
Absolutely. This SOB was ridiculous tough; even on normal mode! Think of Kvar from Tales of Symphonia (which he greatly reminds me of) - only that he can now replicate himself whose clones can do the same amount of damage its original can do and once his HP is near death, he will constantly spam Indignation which can kill an unprepared party.
@@michaelmorningstar7933 I recall a RUclipsr Sirlionhart basically I framing the Indignation using the characters Burst to dodge most damage.
Having gotten all the achievements and 100% the game, I can say with utmost certainty: Ganabelt was the only Lord that was actually tough to beat.
@@TheTrueDiablix And I kinda only found him diffucult when first encountering him! Post game Ganabelt on higher difficulties was, or at least felt, easier :D
I think with the weapons and crafting money was a slight issue for me as I would try and buy Orange gels whenever I could but the resources for the crafting was never a real issue for me. I go a bit crazy exploring the map and fighting every enemy on it the first time I go through a place so I generally pick up all I need along the way
I don't have a PS4 anymore, I don't use my switch. But I love playing on my PC because there's like always a good Fling Trainer. I try not to overdo it with the cheats, but it's nice not having to worry about all the BS materials for upgrades or gil if you're low
im with you erick.....your right about the good and bad things about the game and me personally experienced them but i think the story was a masterpiece
why??
because of the resembles and the concepts
it was about some important objectives...like....why hatred gonna burn you and your surroundings or how stupid the racism is and how revenge is pitiful and why we have to have forgiveness towards each other and how and why we have to stand against injustice
@Dawn Razor what do you mean?? You mean that these topics are childish or ignorant??? Or unimportant??? We have something like taliban or daesh just because of these topics
Just got the platinum after 115hrs, entire playthrough on Hard. Battle system is chef's kiss for a next-Gen Tales game.
Dont feel bad about easy mode. I played the main story thru on normal and once i started end game post game content ive been playing on easy/story mode. Made leveling to 100 not feel like such a chore. Play what feels right. I loved every minute of this game :) ps i do think this is better than vesperia and way better than berseria imo
Thank you for your review! This is my first Tales game and I loved everything about it. I am excited to pick up others after I play a few other games. I always enjoy hearing people's opinions about games, especially if it's a series I'm just starting and they've played many in the series. This gives me hope that I'll enjoy others. I was afraid with how much I like this one, others won't keep my interest but it seems like that shouldn't be the case. Thank you!
The only bad thing I can think of is the paywall conveniences like the 15 item limit which you can pay your way out of. The game itself is great, the monetisation sucks
I think people really lift up Berseria but I think it had as many issues as any other Tales of. The story was good and a departure from typical Tales. But the battle system was just ok. Environments were not great and only a few of the characters were good. Villain was good which helps a lot.
But I think all Tales of games end up being that way for me. There are always a few things that keep them from being an all time great game. I really enjoyed Legendia and Vesperia. Have to finish Arise but I can agree to some of your points for sure so far.
Keep up the good content!
I don’t think the enemies have too much health, they have health in hard mode to encourage you to learn to dodge and get bonus gauge and partner attacks
Indeed. Its the best tales game in a long time.
I'm on ps4 aswell and had zero tech issues. Didn't really agree with much in the vid for once. Except yes there are alot of skits in this tales.
I'll have to come back to watch this. I'm near the last arc just doing side quests and stuff. I have to say, I'm pretty enamored with it despite some gripes.
It might actually be the most raw fun I've had with a JRPG in years.
Can agree^^
Exactly how I feel about it. And I love that I don’t have to stress about missables.
My only issues with the game was, it had no fricking score/grade shop at the end. What's the point in playing through it multiple times. I literally played through Tale of Berseria 4 times.
I’m about 10 hours into this game nearly and I like it so far. Story is confusing which is almost a deal breaker for me when playing a rpg but the gameplay is really fun and graphics and battle system is top notch. Not liking the characters too much though but some are interesting and nicely designed
I mean the main story alone will take like 40 hours so ofc you will be confused early on
I'm currently 40 hours in and I still feel the same as you do about this game..not sure why I'm not liking the characters. Maybe cuz they're too predictable/boring.
@@Lorin116 yea I though I was the only one who thought that. They just feel boring and unlikable
It's an amazing game
I have to say it's the best game of 2021, way better than Ys IX.
Ys needs a bigger budget and better writers if it's going to keep being sold at full price.
Ys was never really about the story but more about the gameplay.
I'm a big Ys fan and a moderate Tales of fan and I was way more excited for Tales of Arise than Ys 9. Not bought either yet but have the issue that Switch is my favourite console and no Arise on Switch.
I've played more Tales games than Ys. And I've played both Arise and Ys IX. I 've got to hand it to Ys IX. It is the better game in my opinion. I'm currently forcing myself to finish Arise. That's how much I'm not into it.
@@dustingonzalez8080 well I've played both Ys VIII and IX and the stories were fun and engaging.
I haven't finished the game (just got Law) but one thing I don't like is Alphens combat abilities specifically his blazing sword and boost attack. Having to spend resources to heal to do his blazing attacks and boost strikes while other characters don't have that stipulation irks me.
With Berseria your consuming claw attacks at least healed you a little bit.
I really like Rinwell from what I've seen. She'll probably be my favorite, because I'm a younger guy. ;)
I have a similar take so far, havnt beat it yet but I'm at the Rena grave room about to fight something. Do is my favorite so I mostly just play him or Alphen depending on enemies but I love Kisara too. I kinda can't stand Law and Rinwell together but i guess they are young so it makes sense they are immature.. The story was so good until the satellite then fell off for me but I love the combat so I still want to play more. HATE the accessory crafting so much, weapons aren't too bad besides having the funds for it. Never played tales games before but I enjoy turn based and action so I will definitely be checking out more of them.
I agree with most things but in regards of the story I strongly disagree, I loved it overall and I didn't feel the slow buildup of the relationship between Alphen and Shionne was them trying to be cheesy, I got the feeling throught the game (and there is a part where even Shionne says it herself) that Alphen wanted to get closer and closer and so did Shionne, but her thorns were gonna end up destroying Alphen if that happened, that's why she decided to act cold and reject her feelings. The instant she doesen't have the thorns she rushes to him and gives him a kiss...
I respect your opinion tho, It's nice to see content creators that have a different opinion from others and just respect what the rest thinks, It's quite rare and I like how you phrased every part of your criticsm and how you explained your point of view, which coming from a hardcore rpg player seems really logical and it definitely makes sense.
Good video and good review!
Agreed!!
Glad I wasn't the only one that actually veiwd this game as really good despite people saying it was "okay" haha
I honestly liked the change of pace. We rarely get a full on happy ending without any major sacrifices
The story starts strong then nosedives after a certain point.
Combat is awful not only for the tales of franchise but as a standalone arpg (compare it to any other arpgs released around the same time). It has so many badly designed features
Thanks for this! Other people seem to talk about the same thing. Your take feels really genuine.
I'd say the combat was more of a combination of berseria and Vesperia/Xillia.
Eric Reviews! Great to hear what you thought about it. It's my number 1 tales game. In terms of victory poses, I'm thinking they were removed to shorten the time it takes to get into and out of battle. I loved these fast transitions!
Thank you, man, I was waiting for you to review this one as this is one of the very few RPGs I have played in a long time (as Dragon Warrior and the first Final Fantasy were one of the first games I ever played I fell in love with the genre... just to later grow sick of the same plots, characters, ). I agree with most of what you said, so I only want to comment that I really love how there are no victory poses haha, that made me feel the game really fluid (altough they could have done it optional). And regarding the difficulty, most of my defeats were while exploring higher level areas (right now I'm thinking on giving a try in the training grounds with the level 99 enemy... I'm at level 61 but I can cheese it... really slowly), I lost to bosses only a couple of times (I think is was at the ship chapter) and until then is when I decided to pay attention to the skills and enemy weaknesses, and find ways to maintain combo chains. Well, thanks again, what you said is spot on with what I have experienced so far.
I remember seeing a Dragon warrior ad on tv when it first came out on the nes. It looked way different than anything i had seen. I was blown away by everything, the first time a game used the name you called your characters, the first time i could save and come back where you left off and so much more i could go on and on about. Been hooked on rpgs/jrpgs ever since.
HI Erick, really enjoyed the video with u and Ircha. great job to both of u.
Use shionne, she is easiest to use. You can range jump arts, run, heal when necessary. It's much easier that way
For some reason I play better with alphen but yea she's mad cheese against lord's/bosses
The best tip i gotta give you based on some of the thing you said, you REALLY need to finish a game before giving your opinion.
100% agree
Tales of Eternia had 2 planets and sci-fi elements, Tales of the Abyss had too.
Almost all tales have ancient technologic civilizations.
I dont know why this was a bad thing to you.
The light-eyes/dark-eyes reference reminds me of the stormlight trilogy from brandon sanderson
enemy types/list was just so bad :( no variety, just color swaps
welcome to the tales of series you guys
Thts the Tales series for ya. Didnt bother me as much since the combat kept me engaged.
Been waiting to hear my boy Erick’s opinion on this. Thanks for the review!
I love the conclusion and twists of the Story^^
But otherwise..i can totally agree with you.
Xillia ist still my number 1 tho
Gameplay
This is where it really shines. I am one of those who despise Berseria Combat for being too repetitive and a snoozefest and having no LMBS. But this one easily manage to capture the magic of what Tales combat is. Having to juggle the enemies to the air then pummel them again in the ground is always satisfying. The combat feels so smooth and the effects, the chaos and the explosions are top notch that I never felt since the 2d Tales games.
Story and Characters
Just right. Some plot Twist here and there but still manages to be a good one. Kisara is L-O-V-E
Difficulty
For mobs, they are very easy even on Hard difficulty.
But for most bosses, they are just damage sponges on hard and the lack of stunlock feels that fights are just Attack, Dodge, Attack, Revive, Rinse and Repeat. Having the boost strikes when their HP is in half is a very nice touch though, both being their for the battle to be climactic and to relieve the monotonous way of fighting them. I'd say Moderate is the best for the bosses. No long fights but with the right amount of challenge.
Graphics and Performance
Easily the best one so far.
Sound and Music
Battle Music is one of the best for me. But that's it. It was okay overall. Not bad, but not great either. Just good.
DLC: The DLC for artes is acceptable, same with the costumes as you can still finish the game even without them. About the Gald, I can't help but think that the scarcity of Gald througout the game was tied to the DLC. I'll understand if they made them "AFTER" the game was released, But it's not.
And yes Eric, Victory Pose all the way...
I am not sure if you have noticed, but I am getting the Star Ocean vibe from Tales of Arise.
One thing that irritated me was during the boss battles. Once you reach the halfway point you get that weird free Boost Strike...but it doesn't do any damage!! The hp damage number shows up but the bar doesn't go down.
This is really obvious in NG+ when I'm essentially one-shotting early game bosses but the HP bar freezes at the halfway point.
Can't wait to see you play Tales of Vesperia. That game is absolutely excellent!
I'm personally looking forward to playing Symphonia after I finish Arise.
Was it just me or did the game totally contradict itself with the will of rena? IIRC one scene they were saying rena’s will wants to destroy all existence then Alphen says rena’s will never had evil intentions.
Dunno, apparently after they found out the will of Rena is like an animal that just wanted to fuse both worlds no matter what they just....understood
Can't wait to play this sometime. Just started with the Tales Of series, so have quite the backlog to get through, but one day lol - thanks for the video!
you don't need to play all of them, but there are def some you simply shouldn't skip. My list of unskippable Tales games is: Symphonia, Vespiria, Berseria, and I must emphasize Berseria. That one was great, and a massive punch to the feels.
@@SorenPenrose Yeah, realistically I was never going to play them all as I'm not buying a system I don't own just for one game. And the really old ones don't appeal to me anyways. Symphonia is one of the last ones I need to get. Patiently waiting for a decent deal on one...
Still i don't play it but as long as the story isnt as boring, anoyying like Vesperia, i'm good, i don't expect something as good as Abyss for example or the Sky Trilogy.
Besides the DLC skills...
Rlly Namco?
You seem really passionate about games and that's a good thing! Also, thanks for the minor spoiler warning, as someone who hates any kind of spoiler I really appreciate that too! Subscribed.
Why removing victory pose ? Simple when you remove your nostalgia filter and really think about it the victory pose were nothing else than pure waste of time, yeah the conversationg could be funny.... at first but then it would just throw the same dialogues over and over and it just redundant and quickly become old, and eventually the victory pose turn into nothing else than spam the button to skip them as fast as possible for every battle so yeah they were nothing than waste of time and I'm glad they remove it and allow to resume exploration immediatly makes the exploration much smoother.
I'm about 12 hours into the game and I can't say I'm compelled to continue tbf. I've played a fair share of action RPGs and I loved Berseria it's my favorite game so far but despite the upgrades they made to Arise neither the story nor gameplay is keeping me satisfied.
Now I only play it every now and then but at this pace I might eventually drop it sadly. I was so looking forward to it but now that it's here it's not what I expected it to be.
One of the things that bother me about the combat is that you have all these abilities you can learn but can only use like 3 (+3 if you consider aerials but it's such a dumb way of organizing them). I just read that it eventually expands after the 3rd lord but isn't that like a bit late ? why not give us something this basic from the start ??
Also most of the skill trees I got so far are just bland and uninteresting.
I'm gonna try to at least reach the second lord to give the game a fair chance but I feel like I'm forcing myself and that's not a good thing when a game does it.
Thanks for the insight. I didnt think Berseria was particularly good. It was bland boring and kind of souless. If you say this about arise then i'm probably not gonna buy it. Unfortunately the Tales of series look overrated for what it offers. It's never new and exciting. Always same old same old
For me the problem is mainly the combat feels way too easy. Which is typically a problem with action combat like this. But hard mode doesn't really make fights harder. They just give enemies more HP which just makes boss fights last way longer than they should. Story wise the third Lord was interesting to the point they start spamming mystic arts. Too bad they felt the need to drag out the plot for that area. I don't hold out much hope for the next lord to be interesting.
I mean the end of the 3rd realm is barely into the game anyways. (Like the 1/4th to 1/3rd mark or so in the story)
Some of the real good skill tress doesnt really come into till either late game OR u do alot of the side content (optional bosses, side quests, fishing, owl collecting, arena, eating specific dishes, etc.) tht unlocks each characters skill trees tht u cant get by playing just the main story.
@@Daigon95 The problem with that response is your pretty much just telling them. Just play a bit more it will get good eventually. So me and OP can do that but why wouldn't we just play another game where we don't have to wait for it to get good?
@@DragoonBB Im not telling them to continue playing though. Just telling them wht u hav to do. But its up to yall if ya want to bother doing tht or not.
But its also a common problem in Jrpgs anyways, where the meat doesnt happen till u reach a certain point in the game. Just up to the player if they are fine with tht or not.
I honestly expected ppl to b aware of this when they risk their money on purchasing a jrpg anyways.
I really enjoyed this game, it's Combat is godlike imo, the soundtrack was beautiful, and I really liked the characters, they're designs were awesome, especially kisara and her delicious booty 🤤lol, I really did enjoy the story though it really did feel rushed towards the end of the game, and that's a shame because this game has a very good cast of characters, easily one of my favorite casts and favorite games in the series but Tales of the Abyss is still my favorite.
They focus a lot on Kisara's butt, lol.... first thing I noticed about it, was it was twice the size of everyone's head. I was like dayum! Ara-ara!
@@lionelbologna8542 lol no bullshit there was times where I had to pause cutscenes inorder to get a good look at it 😂.
i wont deny it, Kisara brings for a delightful view,
You're definitely not lyin, baby girl has cheeks for weeks.
I mean, she is tall at least 6 ft, just made me wonder how intentional it was, due to her physique proportions, and nothing else really sticks out as big as her assets 😏
The sci-fi was heavily built up, I figured this would have been obvious from a guy who’s played hundreds of JRPGs.
The sword needs to be wider, maybe I would’ve played.
Doliham his cryptic wisdom and manner of speaking and understanding and back story reminds me of uncle iroh from avatar last air Bender
Honestly there is a huge problem in that you cannot die. There is no opportunity cost to just trying and trying. The characters and story was a bit shallow but im not done and i feel that there is a twist coming
Dunno about this battle system. I only have like 5-6 skills to use on each character and I heard that if you spend your SP points on wrong upgrades you can never reset and you're stuck with an incredibly bad build that is good for nothing. So I'm scared to spend any SP on anything because what if as soon as I spend it, a new tree unlocks with even more powerful skills?? I currently have 17k+ sp points and not planning to spend any until the end of the game when all skill trees are unlocked. I don't want to ruin my characters so for me combat is very boring, using same 3 skills over and over and over.
I just started with the game, but i already am wondering what its follow will look like if Bandai Namco is doing the same as with previous titles.
Makes me wonder what kind of paid content they will do for elden ring. Cause as much as they were pushing it on this game it wouldn't surprise me
This is my first time seeing ye Channel it popped on my suggestions. Gotta say great job man I just beat tales last night actually I got it wen it came out. I loved it so much I put almost 200 hours into it playing everyday I'm not working.
I forgot to add I played it on ps5. Honestly I had the game in graphics mode(not sure if the PS4 edition gives u the option but ps5 gave u the option in the menu to choose graphics or frame rate) but I had zero hiccups on graphics mode. Not that it matters just wanna let u know it may be bc it's the PS4 version. Also the story DOES INDEED GO BATSHIT OFF RAILS BRO LMAO but ehh didn't bother me to much I'm just glad they kept stretching the game out lol I did not want it to end so I was fine with it lol
I'm only at about 10 hours of this game balancing this with phantom brave (switch) and i'll say that the game is pretty enjoyable.
I can't say much about the game yet except that this is the only game that pushes my ps4 pro's fans to max despite internally dusting and cleaning it. I could go the reapply thermal paste route but I'm hoping that namco bandai would release a patch that would optimize it for us PS4 users.
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at the beginning of the second half of the game where the second anime opening plays. I have to admit that I'm not impressed with the story telling or even the cast so far...for Tales standards it seems like a bit of a step down. The combat IMO is amazing so far, probably my second favorite iteration of it (Berseria being my fav combat system).
Hmm. I loved going through the game but that I beat it... Meh. It'll take me a while to get back into it. Beat the extra dungeon which was fun but could've been longer. Battles are fun though. The HP issue really grinds me, especially during the last dungeon. Tons of those damage sponge enemies. I would've enjoyed it if there was some sort of risk, reward system that when you dodge and break, the damage inflicted would rise significantly than it does now. It seemed that when an enemy was broken, they would recover really quickly so it would just take forever.
I think their system of locking basic skills behind an upgrade tree might be a problem here. I swear there are skills that let you do damage after a perfect evade, although I didn't personally take that one. I could be wrong. They might need to be more generous with skill points or trim the tree and auto-include more skills at the start.
@@csward5380 I mean I don't mind that aspect. You can still do a perfect evade and do dmg just later on it'll allow you to do more dmg. Think that's alphens first skill that auto unlocks
Finished the game after playing through entirely on Moderate. Overall it was enjoyable, but two big issues:
I definitely felt the HP issue. Especially near the end, everything was just a sponge for damage and fights just started taking far too long. I started just pulling multiple groups together and fleeing just to clear areas faster.
The second issue is that the localization just falls off a cliff once you get to Niez. They start being weirdly vague or wrong with exposition and by the final dungeon I just was skipping most skits etc. Characters would just vaguely repeat nonsense that was sort of plot-related, but get things wrong or contradict what they just said. I just feel bad for the translators, since this was the first global release for a Tales game. They weren't given the time and resources they needed.
Coming fresh from playing Tales of Vesperia: DE, I can say that Arise is a whole lot tamer on the skits front. I also want to say that Arise is the best Tales of game for me in recent memory. I just wish there were more explorable houses in the game.
Arise beats vesperia? I might actually play this someday….
@@Darth_Bateman for me, yes. Granted, I played Vesperia's Definitive Edition. Arise is just so refreshing in many ways, and the combat is a vast improvement to Vesperia, in my opinion.
Verperia's controls was so clunky while Arise huge improvement in the controls and no pain in my wrest unlike Verperia.