I'm with you. So often there's an "all-or-nothing" mindset that says if you aren't building a top-tier rig, you may as well not bother building anything at all. It's frustrating. Congrats on the new PC!
This is exactly the vid I needed to see. My old system is R5 2600, 5700XT, 16GB Ram on a B450. I've been thinking of upgrading to B550 board with a 5700X or X3D and then a new GPU in 2025.
Really appreciate finding this nuanced perspective in a sea of content that typically promotes picking up the Latest and Greatest™. I've been looking into upgrading my setup on a tight-ish budget, and will probably go with AM4 for many of the reasons you talk about. PS: Nice to see a fellow Canadian and Truck Sim fan!
Thanks for your comments! There's a ton of money to be saved if you know your use case and build with a view to getting what you need, rather than just blindly spending money on everything that's new and exciting. Have fun upgrading!
Love the focus on use-case. Most youtubers and folks in the comment section think anything less that the fastest is a waste of money, and you should just "save up longer". I've even seen comments along the line of "if you can't afford a 4090 and a high-end cpu to drive it, you should focus on a better career instead of gaming". I actually get a kick out of how much value I can extract out of a build, for a particular use case. Anybody can get a great result if money isn't an object. It takes thoughtful analysis and planning to do so on a budget.
i upgraded to r5 3600 during pandemic, now 2024 just last month bought a 5700x3d and put into my 4 years old b450 board. Everything works great plus upgraded as well to a 4070 super so now i can play any games amd still supporting am4 socket so plenty of life yet of this platform
Excellent video Sir. I'm doing the same thing now. I've been out of the whole pc loop for a while. When I got back into it and did some research, I couldn't believe how my pc was still so upgradeable. I'm saving a lot of money. I'm still using the Asus x470 Pro motherboard, now paired with a XFX RX 6750 XT, coming from a RX 580. Then going from a Ryzen 5 2600 to a Ryzen 7 5700x3d. Massive upgrade! Love AMD! It's a whole new pc basically.
Great information............ I am currently going through the same thoughts with AM4 / AM5 ... and having many AM4 parts spare, case, PSU etc still around ... its now only making sense to get high end AM4 parts and wait 3-5 years for AM5.
I agree. If you've got a lot of AM4 stuff around, and haven't yet maxed out the potential of the platform, maybe moving to the next thing isn't the way to go. Given that AM5 has already been with us for two years, in 3-5 years we may be making the jump straight into AM6!
I usually play games from 5 years ago when they go on sale on Steam. So my upgrades are also 1-2 gens back and the games play great! No need for me to jump on the newest titles and best of the best performance NOW! lol just be patient and you can play all that stuff in a year when it’s all “old”
I'm totally with you. The price differential between the "latest and greatest today" and "the latest and greatest from 3 years ago" is just too big to ignore. If you've got money to burn, an RTX 4090 is amazing I'm sure, but for the other 95% of the population it's a bit hard to justify.
I have a Ryzen 7 5800x and RX 6800 graphic card. Built it about two years ago. Seems to be holding up well for performance. I also do 1440 with a 60 htz monitor.
I upgraded to a 5800x3d this past spring. Im using a motherboard from 2019 & it works great. I have a evga 3070ti & I couldnt be happier. I play COD & bullshit like that & I get 200 fps on a 1440p monitor. That is absolutely perfect for me. And the system is fast & reliable. I know it's already generations old but it works so well I have no plans to upgrade this system ever. It's done.
As a gaming dad I agree with your perspective. I have a similar situation where I just don't see the value in moving on to am5 yet. I found an xtx RX 6800 for around 350 US, I also picked up a Ryzen 5700x3d for 200 US. What has been a real bummer is finding a worthwhile replacement for my ASRock steel legend B450 mobo. I'm not sure it'd be worth it to be able to make use of Gen 4 nvme, especially for the type of games I play. Aside from that I think it's perfectly fine to build a new am4 based system with how you're handling the extra hardware.
I have to admit, in real-world use I struggle to see a significant difference between a Gen 3-4 NVME and a SATA 3 SSD, even after using them back-to-back. I'd be surprised if the difference between Gen 3 and 4 is discernible for anything other than huge file transfers.
I have the same mindset. I just bought my AM4 build last year with the 5700x + b450m tufgaming bundle at a very cheap price and added the 3060 12gb + 3200 MT/s 32GB ram with 850W PSU on a cheap case. I mainly play VR games on PC and because of that I recently upgraded my GPU to a 4070ti Super only and sold the old one to offset the cost. I am able to play most of my preferred VR games with no issue. I usually stick to 72hz for most slow paced VR games, but a lot of popular VR shooters I can play at 120hz on my quest headset with no issues. This build already exceeded my needs and not yet planning to go further for quite some time.
@@tektoc one good rule also is not to be afraid to buy into the a previous platform especially for gaming as most games still cannot exceed the capability of the prev gen
If you aren't planning to eventually upgrade it, sure, that makes sense. Having to upgrade mobo cpu and ram will just never be as cost effective as just a drop in cpu upgrade. I would honestly just save my budget until i can afford the am5 system, the main upgrade is usually the gpu and it'll make a mich bigger difference with a more up to date cpu. This afterall isn't a life necessity, you can just keep saving towards it until you feel the budget is cost effective. The am5 platform is barely at its first generation, the upgrade options will be as plentiful as am4 was.
I'm assisting a Co-worker in a build that he doesn't want to include any used parts in. We decided on going team red for the processor at the very least. On a $550 budget I simply can't build using an AM5. With AM4 I can cheap out even harder and still have room to grow in the future if that's the path we want to take later.
AM4 is still very relevant. I'm running R5 5600, RX6700 10GB, 32GB DDR4 3200. It gets the job done at 1440p without having to trade body parts for the 'RTX' experience! Nice build mate and good luck!!
@@anthonyyoung9810 Thanks so much! Love your comment on Nvidia pricing. Hopefully with Intel Arc and AMD's new focus on midrange and budget products, we'll see some pressure build for more realistic pricing. Hope springs eternal, I guess...🤣
I've been keenly watching Intel's Arc, it's awesome how their driver development is coming along nicely. I can't wait to see awesome value in the mid-range return finally. How good will it be to pickup an upper mid-range card for $500 or less....
5900x still going hard for me doing video editing, AI work, compiling lots of code (im a sw engineer) and it didnt blink on AC6 (running at 1440p, rtx 4080 super)
getting that cpu for a friend of mine next week, he is using 5 3600xt and I will surprise him with that cpu since he thinks he is getting a 5700x which is in my pc! I really dont like seeing the ram issues in am5 overall and even the kinda expensive 7700x cpu is mediocre at best and the ddr5 ram prices are still a bit more here in denmark!
I would have maybe gone cheaper with a 650W PS and a Ryzen 5 5500. The smaller PSU because the 6750XT is max 250W and your gaming suggests that it wouldn't come close. The 5500, while missing 16 MB of L3, is monolithic and could possibly support DDR4 4400. Otherwise, that is some solid strategy, and it seems people fail to factor in the resale of the older parts.
My metric for the PSU was actually: "best priced, 80+ gold rated, name brand of 650 watts or more". The Cooler Master was on sale and won on that metric. I'd have had no objection to a 650-watt if I could have found one cheaper, but when the cost is the same or similar, I'll always go with the bigger capacity for future-proofing.
what a useful video. I got a fancy cabinet but my cheap b450 motherboard does not support half its fancy header/features. I was going to upgrade by R53600 anyway, and was wondering if I should switch platform entirely. A little less confused now :D
Watched so many videos saying AM4 is dead. What a load of bs! If your upgrading from an older platform like LGA II55, you're going to see a big improvement.
If the PC you're building now has the power to play the games you want, and run the programs you want, and you aren't keeping up with the Jones' trying to play all the latest and greatest titles day one, AM4 is perfectly fine. I built a PC around a 5600X3D and (at first) an Arc a750, before upgrading to an RX 7800 XT. (Funnily enough, I rarely upgrade that quickly, but I happened to see one at an INSANELY good deal, and my Intel card was behaving badly with my monitor, so.) It does everything I want it to to, and will undoubtedly serve me well for the next 3-5 years, which is when I will choose an all new build. I prefer a "one and done" kind of mentality when I build my stuff; I want it to work, and I want it to stay working for a while. Besides, there are people who are still rocking Sandy Bridge--if it fulfills their needs, and they don't feel the need to upgrade, why tell them otherwise? Let people enjoy the tech they have at their disposal.
I totally agree with this. I think that if you are on a budget (and really, how many of us aren't?) the biggest favor you can do yourself is to really understand your computing/gaming needs and buy to match the need. I think a lot of people way overestimate what they really need and end up spending more than is necessary. I like to tinker, it's really my only hobby, so I'm happy to upgrade when I feel I need to. I do see the attraction of "one-and-done" for an awful lot of people, tho.
I'm in the same boat as you. I built my pc with a 3600x and a 5700xt back in 2020. Most of the game I play are few years old with one or two releases that year. I've decided to get a 5700x3d to extend my am4 platform for a few more years. I can wait for am5 to mature or am6 for a full new pc build
I just got 5800x3d after my r5 5600...You must have a really good cooler for 5700x3d ;) Kind of miss my old 65w tdp r560D. This one needs to be undervolted and cooler gets kinda loudish sometimes. No youtuber ever mentions that. Wait for 9700 non x to drop prices arround probably new year. Me personaly will never get another x3d chip.
You could've also sell the second pc and build a better one, and sell that next one and boom flipping business, im just kidding, very nice build! I hope you are enjoying your new gaming rig! I am also CAD love the fact your pricing is in CAD.
@tektoc its kind of funny, because when you say ryzen 5 3600, I have that, but the moment I heard rx 57 I thought you'd finish with 5700xt or non xt, I have the 5700xt, I was told to upgrade to the ryzen 7 5700x3D and I'd be good for several years (from Aliexpress of course). If ever you are thinking of upgrading always verify aliexpress as well, you can find the same cpu just at wayy cheaper prices.
@@kakaka1k Mine was just the straight RX 5700 - no XT. The 6750XT has been a significant upgrade; I'm seeing a pretty consistent 40%-or-more increase in FPS on everything I play.
I'm currently upgrading from i7-6700 to Ryzen 5 5600x. I recently needed a new GPU, and I found RTX 3060 12gb for $270 brand new with warranty, much cheaper than it goes for in my country. Here, prices of GPUs are weird to say the least, apparently in US you can find 3060ti for $300 in US, here it's $400 at least, and it's for the models I was advised by many to avoid. I will probably upgrade my GPU in a year or so, but for now, CPU is priority.
Yeah, I'm in Canada and I find the same. GPUs are really pricey. I'm always buying previous-generation cards that are on sale. I have a hard time justifying spending more that $500 (Canadian) on one.
Very nice video!!! Being roughly in the same boat but bitten by the "upgrade" bug you have put out a anti-itch cream. One point I'd like to make though. I have the Power Color RX6700XT Red Devil and it calls for a 650W PSU. That being the case and running a R5 5600X, I'm not seeing any struggles from the 650W PSU. With all if that being said, here are some truths I will have to work through. 1) Should I find a good deal on a better GPU I know I'll have to upgrade the PSU. 2) If I upgrade to a better CPU, I'll probably also have to upgrade the PSU. Did I lock my self in? To some extent yes. There is a way out though and I'm honestly not too concerned about it. Thanks for the great video.
Powersupply is great concern for Americans with their measly 110v where the efficiency of conversion of 110v to 12v for ATX powerlines comes with great heat loss due to high amperage. ((You)) Assuming 240v country citizen can run rtx 3090 system of 500w powersupply without breaking the sweat.
Is it possible that the new rig uses less power than old? And how would the AM4 compare with the 5. I build an AM4 3 years ago. Then last XMAS I build a similar one for the Mrs to help her do photo processing. Bear in mind our old systems were Xeon 5160 at 3GHz, 24Gb DDR2 300MHz ram and old Nvidia quadrature 260. Heck - even a Pi4 was quick compared to that. Because we have two similar systems (she has more NVMe drives for the photo processing, I have larger RAM and disk for K8s and Plex). I should measure the power drain of old and new systems. But for sure the 12 core peak 4GHz 5600G has lower TDP than a 3GHz Xeon 5160. The AMD sure processes a lot quicker too :-) If something breaks we have some common platforms to cannibalise- assuming processor doesn't rust in both of them at same time ;-)
One of the reasons I build almost all AMD is the platform lifecycle is so long that parts interchangeability makes upgrades easy and inexpensive. To answer your question, the only difference in power consumption between my old PC and new is in the new graphics card. The 6750 XT has a 250-watt TDP versus the old 5700 at 180 watts. Using the PSU calculator at pc-builds.com, it appears that an AM5 system with DDR5 RAM uses no more or less power than an AM4 system, as long as you stick to a CPU with the same TDP. An AM5 system with an R5 7600 (65-watt TDP) has the same maximum draw as my current PC, but if I go to a 7600X (105 watts) then, of course, the power draw is 40 watts higher. There doesn't seem to be an argument to make either way between AM4 and AM5 when it comes to power consumption. Really, in a gaming PC, by far the single biggest draw is the GPU, so if efficiency is a concern that's the first place to look. For a super-efficient AM5 PC you couldn't do much better than a 65-watt AMD APU (like the Ryzen 5 8600G - the updated version of the AM4 5600G you are using). You get solid processing and graphics with a bare-minimum power draw. That said, for gaming, the APU won't outperform even a modest discrete graphics card.
@@FifaPirateYT Pretty much anything. But it depends on the type of gaming and the resolution. For instance, open world sims like ETS2 or MS Flight Sim lean on the GPU way more than the CPU, especially at higher resolutions like 4k. But if you are playing competitive first-person shooters and looking for maximum fps, you're going to need a much more powerful CPU. Google "5800x3d and RTX 4090". You'll find a number of people that have tested the combo and given their results.
True enough. I was already getting grief from the wife on the spend, tho, and I didn't need the more powerful card for my use-case, so I decided not to push my luck. 😂 The cheapest 7700XT on Amazon here in Canada is about $600 Canadian dollars, about $150 more than the 6750 I bought.
How is upgrading from a R5 3600 and RX 5700 to whatever Ryzen 5 and 6750XT worth it. Some of us don't want to be upgrading our pc every other year. Better to just buy good parts and use the same pc for a long time.
@@Sma5hy Well, a 40-50% increase in fps for $300 net cost seems like a pretty good deal to me. That said, different strokes for different folks! Oh! And I've had that gaming PC 4.5 years and this is the first upgrade. So...not really "every other year".
@@tektoc I got the Ryzen 7 7700x + 32gigs of RAM and MSI b-650 mobo for about $500 from microcenter bundle. Am4 can be a good cheap option but if you have access to a Microcenter it is well worth going for their Am5 deals and having something you can use for much longer.
Looks great can’t wait to do the same had money and car issue of course but it’s better because I need to study for cCNA you save money with am4 I want am5 because features such as dedicated lanes I want to play with and have ready when I drop cash on my gpu
@@FifaPirateYT Depends on the kind of gaming you do, and at what resolution. CPU bottleneck is more likely at 1440p, not horribly likely at 4k. For the kind of gaming I do, a 5800x3d would be overkill in either scenario. Whether you need more CPU or more GPU always depends on the type of gaming and the monitor resolution. The best combination isn't the same for all players.
If you're going to be selling off your aging parts, building a complete PC out of them is definitely the way to go. That way you're not just selling to the people who know how to build one and can shop around more, but rather the parents who are looking for an affordable Minecraft/Roblox/Fortnite PC for their kid.
Yeah, this is very true. I find it's hard selling parts locally, and eBay is inefficient after shipping and eBay's fees. Build a second PC and sell it is the way to go where I am.
It's not smart to buy non PCIe 5.0 motherboard when next gen cards are confirmed to have reduced interconnects on Northridge and south bridge. We are now looking at possibility of PCIe 5.0 x4 or x8 setups being only avaible upgrades in 2026-202x cycle. It's already inside the rtx 4050&4060 laptops utilizing extremly cut down version of Gad107 die of the direct succesor of rtx 3050 sku from entry level and office desktops. I am still stubbornly holding on my 5950x with rtx 3090 untill something better comes up.
I built my first PC without thinking about the CPU. I made the right choice with 14400F. If do upgrade then Ill buy 14 Gen i7 chip instead of the next gen Intel's. I'll save money on the old gen tech.
@@zapdosmtr4961 Same here and also i7, but recently I guess someone found the issue on a 14100 if what was said is actually true though 🤷🏻♂️. From what I read it was i5 / i7 / i9 from 13 / 14600 up, again I can't confirm about the 14100 but could always check Gamers Nexus
If money was a restrain then no, it wasn't a waste of time and money since AM4 cpus are still amazing even now and will be for quite a while. If money wasn't a restrain then I'd say that it was a little foolish to go for AM4 since AM5 offers a better upgrade path. Both would be a valid option, but if money doesn't hold you back AM4 now is bigger waste of money in the future.
amd is not worth the price i was on am4 and looking to upgrade, my total came out to 1000 bucks as well just for 8 cores, i said nope i got on 14th gen intel for 500 bucks flat and destroys am5 in multi core performance no doubt im glad i went with the 14500
@@baronvonslambert Undervolting, lowering power limit, and better case airflow will all do more for keeping your GPU cool during prolonged load than a bigger heatsink. If you spend the extra money on a higher tier card you can gimp it when needed and get better performance the rest of the year.
@@baronvonslambert Yup. Minimal spend was the #1 priority on this build, and the Fighter was on sale for the right price. I favor stability and longevity over peak performance, so the GPU is going to be run on all the stock settings. I really don't need anything else. Spent a good part of this last weekend gaming with it and I'm pleased as punch.
At last a down to earth explanation that doesn't require thousands of dollars for a gaming PC. I made an AM4 gaming PC too 2 months ago.
I'm with you. So often there's an "all-or-nothing" mindset that says if you aren't building a top-tier rig, you may as well not bother building anything at all. It's frustrating.
Congrats on the new PC!
This is exactly the vid I needed to see. My old system is R5 2600, 5700XT, 16GB Ram on a B450. I've been thinking of upgrading to B550 board with a 5700X or X3D and then a new GPU in 2025.
Really appreciate finding this nuanced perspective in a sea of content that typically promotes picking up the Latest and Greatest™. I've been looking into upgrading my setup on a tight-ish budget, and will probably go with AM4 for many of the reasons you talk about.
PS: Nice to see a fellow Canadian and Truck Sim fan!
Thanks for your comments! There's a ton of money to be saved if you know your use case and build with a view to getting what you need, rather than just blindly spending money on everything that's new and exciting. Have fun upgrading!
Office PC with some legroom slap in a 5600G.
Love the focus on use-case. Most youtubers and folks in the comment section think anything less that the fastest is a waste of money, and you should just "save up longer". I've even seen comments along the line of "if you can't afford a 4090 and a high-end cpu to drive it, you should focus on a better career instead of gaming".
I actually get a kick out of how much value I can extract out of a build, for a particular use case. Anybody can get a great result if money isn't an object. It takes thoughtful analysis and planning to do so on a budget.
@@AAjax Totally agree.
i upgraded to r5 3600 during pandemic, now 2024 just last month bought a 5700x3d and put into my 4 years old b450 board. Everything works great plus upgraded as well to a 4070 super so now i can play any games
amd still supporting am4 socket so plenty of life yet of this platform
Excellent video Sir. I'm doing the same thing now. I've been out of the whole pc loop for a while. When I got back into it and did some research, I couldn't believe how my pc was still so upgradeable. I'm saving a lot of money. I'm still using the Asus x470 Pro motherboard, now paired with a XFX RX 6750 XT, coming from a RX 580. Then going from a Ryzen 5 2600 to a Ryzen 7 5700x3d. Massive upgrade! Love AMD! It's a whole new pc basically.
@@Kevz8611 Awesome build! The X3D chips are just amazing for gaming. Congratulations!
Great information............ I am currently going through the same thoughts with AM4 / AM5 ... and having many AM4 parts spare, case, PSU etc still around ... its now only making sense to get high end AM4 parts and wait 3-5 years for AM5.
I agree. If you've got a lot of AM4 stuff around, and haven't yet maxed out the potential of the platform, maybe moving to the next thing isn't the way to go.
Given that AM5 has already been with us for two years, in 3-5 years we may be making the jump straight into AM6!
The AM4 platform is one of the longest running sockets. AMD is still coming out with AM4 CPU's. Build it, enjoy it until it dies. Money saved. Cheers
I agree, the AM4 platform has been amazing. Going to have a video on that in a couple of weeks.
@@tektoc Awesome !!! Looking forward to it. 👍
Will do
One day AMD will stop releasing am4 CPUs lol. Then, build am5.
You went from a b450 to a b550?
I usually play games from 5 years ago when they go on sale on Steam. So my upgrades are also 1-2 gens back and the games play great! No need for me to jump on the newest titles and best of the best performance NOW! lol just be patient and you can play all that stuff in a year when it’s all “old”
I'm totally with you. The price differential between the "latest and greatest today" and "the latest and greatest from 3 years ago" is just too big to ignore. If you've got money to burn, an RTX 4090 is amazing I'm sure, but for the other 95% of the population it's a bit hard to justify.
I have a Ryzen 7 5800x and RX 6800 graphic card. Built it about two years ago. Seems to be holding up well for performance. I also do 1440 with a 60 htz monitor.
I upgraded to a 5800x3d this past spring. Im using a motherboard from 2019 & it works great. I have a evga 3070ti & I couldnt be happier. I play COD & bullshit like that & I get 200 fps on a 1440p monitor. That is absolutely perfect for me. And the system is fast & reliable. I know it's already generations old but it works so well I have no plans to upgrade this system ever. It's done.
am4 will live for another 5 years i guess..... the ryzen 5000 cpu family really put the umpf back to it in 2023.
As a gaming dad I agree with your perspective.
I have a similar situation where I just don't see the value in moving on to am5 yet.
I found an xtx RX 6800 for around 350 US, I also picked up a Ryzen 5700x3d for 200 US.
What has been a real bummer is finding a worthwhile replacement for my ASRock steel legend B450 mobo.
I'm not sure it'd be worth it to be able to make use of Gen 4 nvme, especially for the type of games I play.
Aside from that I think it's perfectly fine to build a new am4 based system with how you're handling the extra hardware.
I have to admit, in real-world use I struggle to see a significant difference between a Gen 3-4 NVME and a SATA 3 SSD, even after using them back-to-back. I'd be surprised if the difference between Gen 3 and 4 is discernible for anything other than huge file transfers.
I have the same mindset. I just bought my AM4 build last year with the 5700x + b450m tufgaming bundle at a very cheap price and added the 3060 12gb + 3200 MT/s 32GB ram with 850W PSU on a cheap case. I mainly play VR games on PC and because of that I recently upgraded my GPU to a 4070ti Super only and sold the old one to offset the cost. I am able to play most of my preferred VR games with no issue. I usually stick to 72hz for most slow paced VR games, but a lot of popular VR shooters I can play at 120hz on my quest headset with no issues. This build already exceeded my needs and not yet planning to go further for quite some time.
Sounds like a great build! Everything you need, nothing you don't.
@@tektoc one good rule also is not to be afraid to buy into the a previous platform especially for gaming as most games still cannot exceed the capability of the prev gen
If it's enough power to support the graphics card, it doesn't matter if it's an old Xeon system even
If you aren't planning to eventually upgrade it, sure, that makes sense. Having to upgrade mobo cpu and ram will just never be as cost effective as just a drop in cpu upgrade. I would honestly just save my budget until i can afford the am5 system, the main upgrade is usually the gpu and it'll make a mich bigger difference with a more up to date cpu. This afterall isn't a life necessity, you can just keep saving towards it until you feel the budget is cost effective. The am5 platform is barely at its first generation, the upgrade options will be as plentiful as am4 was.
I'm assisting a Co-worker in a build that he doesn't want to include any used parts in. We decided on going team red for the processor at the very least. On a $550 budget I simply can't build using an AM5. With AM4 I can cheap out even harder and still have room to grow in the future if that's the path we want to take later.
Good plan. AM4 is still a reasonable option when every dollar counts.
I built an am4 system in may. saved me hundreds
AM4 is still very relevant. I'm running R5 5600, RX6700 10GB, 32GB DDR4 3200. It gets the job done at 1440p without having to trade body parts for the 'RTX' experience! Nice build mate and good luck!!
@@anthonyyoung9810 Thanks so much! Love your comment on Nvidia pricing. Hopefully with Intel Arc and AMD's new focus on midrange and budget products, we'll see some pressure build for more realistic pricing. Hope springs eternal, I guess...🤣
I've been keenly watching Intel's Arc, it's awesome how their driver development is coming along nicely. I can't wait to see awesome value in the mid-range return finally. How good will it be to pickup an upper mid-range card for $500 or less....
5900x still going hard for me doing video editing, AI work, compiling lots of code (im a sw engineer) and it didnt blink on AC6 (running at 1440p, rtx 4080 super)
getting that cpu for a friend of mine next week, he is using 5 3600xt and I will surprise him with that cpu since he thinks he is getting a 5700x which is in my pc! I really dont like seeing the ram issues in am5 overall and even the kinda expensive 7700x cpu is mediocre at best and the ddr5 ram prices are still a bit more here in denmark!
I would have maybe gone cheaper with a 650W PS and a Ryzen 5 5500. The smaller PSU because the 6750XT is max 250W and your gaming suggests that it wouldn't come close. The 5500, while missing 16 MB of L3, is monolithic and could possibly support DDR4 4400. Otherwise, that is some solid strategy, and it seems people fail to factor in the resale of the older parts.
My metric for the PSU was actually: "best priced, 80+ gold rated, name brand of 650 watts or more". The Cooler Master was on sale and won on that metric. I'd have had no objection to a 650-watt if I could have found one cheaper, but when the cost is the same or similar, I'll always go with the bigger capacity for future-proofing.
what a useful video. I got a fancy cabinet but my cheap b450 motherboard does not support half its fancy header/features. I was going to upgrade by R53600 anyway, and was wondering if I should switch platform entirely. A little less confused now :D
@@debopamroy56 I'm glad you found it helpful. Thanks for watching!
After almost 13 years, went from an i7-3770k to a 5900x. The performance leap is crazy!
@@Optimus7519 I can imagine! Congratulations on the new rig!
@@tektoc Thanks!
Watched so many videos saying AM4 is dead. What a load of bs!
If your upgrading from an older platform like LGA II55, you're going to see a big improvement.
If the PC you're building now has the power to play the games you want, and run the programs you want, and you aren't keeping up with the Jones' trying to play all the latest and greatest titles day one, AM4 is perfectly fine. I built a PC around a 5600X3D and (at first) an Arc a750, before upgrading to an RX 7800 XT. (Funnily enough, I rarely upgrade that quickly, but I happened to see one at an INSANELY good deal, and my Intel card was behaving badly with my monitor, so.) It does everything I want it to to, and will undoubtedly serve me well for the next 3-5 years, which is when I will choose an all new build. I prefer a "one and done" kind of mentality when I build my stuff; I want it to work, and I want it to stay working for a while.
Besides, there are people who are still rocking Sandy Bridge--if it fulfills their needs, and they don't feel the need to upgrade, why tell them otherwise? Let people enjoy the tech they have at their disposal.
I totally agree with this. I think that if you are on a budget (and really, how many of us aren't?) the biggest favor you can do yourself is to really understand your computing/gaming needs and buy to match the need. I think a lot of people way overestimate what they really need and end up spending more than is necessary.
I like to tinker, it's really my only hobby, so I'm happy to upgrade when I feel I need to. I do see the attraction of "one-and-done" for an awful lot of people, tho.
I'm in the same boat as you. I built my pc with a 3600x and a 5700xt back in 2020. Most of the game I play are few years old with one or two releases that year. I've decided to get a 5700x3d to extend my am4 platform for a few more years. I can wait for am5 to mature or am6 for a full new pc build
Sounds like a great plan!
I just got 5800x3d after my r5 5600...You must have a really good cooler for 5700x3d ;) Kind of miss my old 65w tdp r560D. This one needs to be undervolted and cooler gets kinda loudish sometimes. No youtuber ever mentions that. Wait for 9700 non x to drop prices arround probably new year. Me personaly will never get another x3d chip.
You could've also sell the second pc and build a better one, and sell that next one and boom flipping business, im just kidding, very nice build! I hope you are enjoying your new gaming rig! I am also CAD love the fact your pricing is in CAD.
@@kakaka1k Lol! That was my wife's idea, too! Rig's awesome....thanks!
@tektoc its kind of funny, because when you say ryzen 5 3600, I have that, but the moment I heard rx 57 I thought you'd finish with 5700xt or non xt, I have the 5700xt, I was told to upgrade to the ryzen 7 5700x3D and I'd be good for several years (from Aliexpress of course). If ever you are thinking of upgrading always verify aliexpress as well, you can find the same cpu just at wayy cheaper prices.
@@kakaka1k Mine was just the straight RX 5700 - no XT. The 6750XT has been a significant upgrade; I'm seeing a pretty consistent 40%-or-more increase in FPS on everything I play.
What you get is the future Upgradeable system with future parts. Could get the Ryzen 7 7800X3D probably the best gaming CPU.
I'm currently upgrading from i7-6700 to Ryzen 5 5600x. I recently needed a new GPU, and I found RTX 3060 12gb for $270 brand new with warranty, much cheaper than it goes for in my country. Here, prices of GPUs are weird to say the least, apparently in US you can find 3060ti for $300 in US, here it's $400 at least, and it's for the models I was advised by many to avoid. I will probably upgrade my GPU in a year or so, but for now, CPU is priority.
Yeah, I'm in Canada and I find the same. GPUs are really pricey. I'm always buying previous-generation cards that are on sale. I have a hard time justifying spending more that $500 (Canadian) on one.
Very nice video!!!
Being roughly in the same boat but bitten by the "upgrade" bug you have put out a anti-itch cream.
One point I'd like to make though. I have the Power Color RX6700XT Red Devil and it calls for a 650W PSU. That being the case and running a R5 5600X, I'm not seeing any struggles from the 650W PSU.
With all if that being said, here are some truths I will have to work through.
1) Should I find a good deal on a better GPU I know I'll have to upgrade the PSU. 2) If I upgrade to a better CPU, I'll probably also have to upgrade the PSU.
Did I lock my self in? To some extent yes. There is a way out though and I'm honestly not too concerned about it.
Thanks for the great video.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Powersupply is great concern for Americans with their measly 110v where the efficiency of conversion of 110v to 12v for ATX powerlines comes with great heat loss due to high amperage. ((You)) Assuming 240v country citizen can run rtx 3090 system of 500w powersupply without breaking the sweat.
Ryzen 7500f is £98 on AliExpress, that is the deal with a A620 Motherboard.
I did the exact same thing when i upgraded my am4 socket system
Is it possible that the new rig uses less power than old? And how would the AM4 compare with the 5.
I build an AM4 3 years ago. Then last XMAS I build a similar one for the Mrs to help her do photo processing.
Bear in mind our old systems were Xeon 5160 at 3GHz, 24Gb DDR2 300MHz ram and old Nvidia quadrature 260. Heck - even a Pi4 was quick compared to that.
Because we have two similar systems (she has more NVMe drives for the photo processing, I have larger RAM and disk for K8s and Plex).
I should measure the power drain of old and new systems. But for sure the 12 core peak 4GHz 5600G has lower TDP than a 3GHz Xeon 5160. The AMD sure processes a lot quicker too :-)
If something breaks we have some common platforms to cannibalise- assuming processor doesn't rust in both of them at same time ;-)
One of the reasons I build almost all AMD is the platform lifecycle is so long that parts interchangeability makes upgrades easy and inexpensive.
To answer your question, the only difference in power consumption between my old PC and new is in the new graphics card. The 6750 XT has a 250-watt TDP versus the old 5700 at 180 watts.
Using the PSU calculator at pc-builds.com, it appears that an AM5 system with DDR5 RAM uses no more or less power than an AM4 system, as long as you stick to a CPU with the same TDP. An AM5 system with an R5 7600 (65-watt TDP) has the same maximum draw as my current PC, but if I go to a 7600X (105 watts) then, of course, the power draw is 40 watts higher.
There doesn't seem to be an argument to make either way between AM4 and AM5 when it comes to power consumption. Really, in a gaming PC, by far the single biggest draw is the GPU, so if efficiency is a concern that's the first place to look.
For a super-efficient AM5 PC you couldn't do much better than a 65-watt AMD APU (like the Ryzen 5 8600G - the updated version of the AM4 5600G you are using). You get solid processing and graphics with a bare-minimum power draw. That said, for gaming, the APU won't outperform even a modest discrete graphics card.
AM4 is good enough til 2027 and then you can sell cpu ram and mobo to a friend for their first gaming pc
I mean anything that is on par with the consoles or better should do...
have had my 5900x + 6700xt since 2020 @ 1440p and see 0 reason to update atm. Literally making an HTPC to play my steam library on the tv......
what is the best gpu you can pair with a ryzen 7 5800x3d
@@FifaPirateYT Pretty much anything. But it depends on the type of gaming and the resolution. For instance, open world sims like ETS2 or MS Flight Sim lean on the GPU way more than the CPU, especially at higher resolutions like 4k. But if you are playing competitive first-person shooters and looking for maximum fps, you're going to need a much more powerful CPU.
Google "5800x3d and RTX 4090". You'll find a number of people that have tested the combo and given their results.
5800x3d or 5700x3d will allowed to AM4 users to skip entire AM5 platform..5600 non x even cheaper
for 480$ you could have found a 7800XT or 7700XT for 400$ from amazon , other than that looks great
True enough. I was already getting grief from the wife on the spend, tho, and I didn't need the more powerful card for my use-case, so I decided not to push my luck. 😂
The cheapest 7700XT on Amazon here in Canada is about $600 Canadian dollars, about $150 more than the 6750 I bought.
@@tektoc ouch , those inflations based on region really suck….
How is upgrading from a R5 3600 and RX 5700 to whatever Ryzen 5 and 6750XT worth it. Some of us don't want to be upgrading our pc every other year. Better to just buy good parts and use the same pc for a long time.
@@Sma5hy Well, a 40-50% increase in fps for $300 net cost seems like a pretty good deal to me. That said, different strokes for different folks!
Oh! And I've had that gaming PC 4.5 years and this is the first upgrade. So...not really "every other year".
@@tektoc I got the Ryzen 7 7700x + 32gigs of RAM and MSI b-650 mobo for about $500 from microcenter bundle. Am4 can be a good cheap option but if you have access to a Microcenter it is well worth going for their Am5 deals and having something you can use for much longer.
Looks great can’t wait to do the same had money and car issue of course but it’s better because I need to study for cCNA you save money with am4 I want am5 because features such as dedicated lanes I want to play with and have ready when I drop cash on my gpu
Hello, John! I feel you. One of my biggest disappointments in life is not having unlimited money to spend on computer parts. But I make do!
@@tektoc I understand I did at one point in time and if I keep at my new plan I will again
Meh, I just repurposed an Athlon MP board for a home server. You're doing just fine.
im pretty sure an r7 5800x3d can not pair well with the rtx 4090 (correct me if im wrong)
@@FifaPirateYT Depends on the kind of gaming you do, and at what resolution. CPU bottleneck is more likely at 1440p, not horribly likely at 4k. For the kind of gaming I do, a 5800x3d would be overkill in either scenario.
Whether you need more CPU or more GPU always depends on the type of gaming and the monitor resolution. The best combination isn't the same for all players.
Not only that but if you add the Watts consumed from AM4 to AM5 in a year .....
Interesting point...
If you're going to be selling off your aging parts, building a complete PC out of them is definitely the way to go. That way you're not just selling to the people who know how to build one and can shop around more, but rather the parents who are looking for an affordable Minecraft/Roblox/Fortnite PC for their kid.
Yeah, this is very true. I find it's hard selling parts locally, and eBay is inefficient after shipping and eBay's fees. Build a second PC and sell it is the way to go where I am.
It's not smart to buy non PCIe 5.0 motherboard when next gen cards are confirmed to have reduced interconnects on Northridge and south bridge.
We are now looking at possibility of PCIe 5.0 x4 or x8 setups being only avaible upgrades in 2026-202x cycle. It's already inside the rtx 4050&4060 laptops utilizing extremly cut down version of Gad107 die of the direct succesor of rtx 3050 sku from entry level and office desktops.
I am still stubbornly holding on my 5950x with rtx 3090 untill something better comes up.
I built my first PC without thinking about the CPU. I made the right choice with 14400F. If do upgrade then Ill buy 14 Gen i7 chip instead of the next gen Intel's. I'll save money on the old gen tech.
Good luck dealing with degrading 13th / 14th gen and micro code
@@IrnMaiden304 I thought it was high end i9 series
@@zapdosmtr4961 Same here and also i7, but recently I guess someone found the issue on a 14100 if what was said is actually true though 🤷🏻♂️.
From what I read it was i5 / i7 / i9 from 13 / 14600 up, again I can't confirm about the 14100 but could always check Gamers Nexus
@@IrnMaiden304 Thanks for update. I wonder more issues with 14x000 will come in in the future. This will definitely the resell value in the future.
If money was a restrain then no, it wasn't a waste of time and money since AM4 cpus are still amazing even now and will be for quite a while. If money wasn't a restrain then I'd say that it was a little foolish to go for AM4 since AM5 offers a better upgrade path. Both would be a valid option, but if money doesn't hold you back AM4 now is bigger waste of money in the future.
Totally agree. And you're right, the AM4 platform has been an amazing success.
no but yes, when you gonna want to upgrade you gonna have to change whole platform am4 to am5, but currently it is really good choice
amd is not worth the price i was on am4 and looking to upgrade, my total came out to 1000 bucks as well just for 8 cores, i said nope i got on 14th gen intel for 500 bucks flat and destroys am5 in multi core performance no doubt im glad i went with the 14500
The motherboard on my main PC died, so I bought a bundle from my local micro center, with a 7800x3d, with motherboard, and ram for $500.
I think you really should have gone 5700x3d at least.
bro got a "fighter" gpu. :\
@@baronvonslambert it's a ghetto name. you can cry about it if you want. oh wait, you did that already.
Never buy the "premium" models of GPUs, they're just a waste to money. Either save your money or buy a higher tier card if you want more performance.
@@baronvonslambert Undervolting, lowering power limit, and better case airflow will all do more for keeping your GPU cool during prolonged load than a bigger heatsink. If you spend the extra money on a higher tier card you can gimp it when needed and get better performance the rest of the year.
@@baronvonslambert Yup. Minimal spend was the #1 priority on this build, and the Fighter was on sale for the right price. I favor stability and longevity over peak performance, so the GPU is going to be run on all the stock settings. I really don't need anything else. Spent a good part of this last weekend gaming with it and I'm pleased as punch.