Will The AMD 5600X Bottleneck A High End GPU in 2024?
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- Will a 5600X bottleneck a high end GPU, like a 4080 Super for high end gaming in 2024? We compare across a range of titles and settings the differences in performance between a 5600X and a 5800X3D when paired with an nvidia 4080 Super.
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00:00 - Starfield - 1080p Low
00:49 - Starfield - 1080p Ultra
01:24 - Starfield - 1440p Ultra
02:12 - Starfield - 1440p Ultra - DLSS Quality
02:49 - Starfield - 4K Ultra
03:11 - Starfield - 4K Ultra - DLSS Quality
03:54 - Forza Horizon 5 - 1080p Low
04:22 - Forza Horizon 5 - 1080p Ultra
05:22 - Forza Horizon 5 - 1440p Ultra
05:69 - Forza Horizon 5 - 4K Ultra
06:30 - Gray Zone Warfare - 1080p Low
07:05 - Gray Zone Warfare - 1080p Epic
07:40 - Gray Zone Warfare - 1440p Epic
08:21 - Gray Zone Warfare - 1440p Epic - DLSS Quality
08:54 - Gray Zone Warfare - 4K Epic - DLSS Quality
09:34 - Diablo 4 - 1080p Low
10:12 - Diablo 4 - 1080p Ultra
10:48 - Diablo 4 - 4K Ultra RT - DLSS Quality
11:30 - Cyberpunk Benchmark - 1080p Low
12:11 - Cyberpunk Benchmark - 1080p Ultra RT
13:00 - Cyberpunk Benchmark - 1440p Ultra RT
13:30 - Cyberpunk Benchmark - 4K Ultra RT
14:19 - Cyberpunk In Game - 1080p Low
14:44 - Cyberpunk In Game - 1080p Ultra RT
15:21 - Cyberpunk In Game - 1440p Ultra RT
15:51 - Cyberpunk In Game - 4K Ultra RT
16:32 - Counter Strike 2 - 1080p Low
17:38 - Counter Strike 2 - 1080p Competitive Settings
18:20 - Counter Strike 2 - 1440p Competitive Settings
19:15 - Counter Strike 2 - 4K Competitive Settings
20:04 - Microsoft Flight Simulator - 4K Optimised Settings
23:56 - Call of Duty Warzone 3 - 1080 Minimum Settings
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Thank you for including resolutions/settings which are actually the ones used in real life scenarios.
Glad you liked it!
@@davidnott_ Totally agreed, those Hardware Unboxed videos are so annoying. "Look at the difference with a 7800X3D and a 4090 at 500p minimum settings!"
My eyes can't see the difference, but my wallet can.
But if you paid over 1k for gpu you can spend 120€ more for better cpu.
@@filippetrovic845 diminishing returns, that's a good way to spend more than you need to. you spent the extra for the CPU, why not extra for higher speed ram and a higher quality monitor and faster SSD and a better motherboard... and it goes on and on
@@rasheeddaley6773 Half of the shit you said has close to zero performance benefits, going for a good mid-range cpu actually does.....
@TheGreatYakub-uk1ij your mid range isn't some else's mid ranged pc, amd those Iarge purchase for little to no performance gain is the difference between a mid ranged and high end pc
@@rasheeddaley6773 A mid range PC is a mid range PC, you say some really dumb stuff!
Thanks for all work you did, subbed.
Thanks for this test!
I was waiting for it. Really was looking to see the real difference going from a 5600x to a top of the line AM4.
This made me feel a little bit better about my 5800X & 7900 XT 4k combo!
Thanks!
I have an R5 5600 paired up with RX6800. Nice to see these kind of videos.
Same
I had the same exact build. It's amazing pair it's the max 5600 non x can handle.imo.
I had it before too, its a pretty nice combo (even if i changed it for a 5800x3d lmao) but it depends of the game very often, ngl on games like Battlefield V and Cyberpunk 5600x struggles a lot, but in other games it runs perfectly smooth
@@pR0ManiacSWhich one do you think the x version can take up to? I was planning on getting a 7900 GRE. And MAYBE getting a new CPU afterwards… But not sure, I want a good GPU but not one that will be too much for current CPU. I do 1080p 240hz
@@croih bro for 1080p 240 i suggest you taking just a 7700xt and going to 5700x3d/5800x3d If You want the Best. Gre won't make a difference in my opinion as your games are heavy relying on your cpu. 5600x in 1080p bottlenecks even 7800xt. It will hold back your 7900gre like it's Something in between 7700xt and 7800xt. So get the 7700xt now instead and also upgrade your cpu like pretty soon If not now cause u have money. For fortnite get Nvidia. For cod mandatory AMD. For counterstrike upgrade your cpu fast.
For single players also AMD. 5800x3d still a king of cpu for next years it barely bottlenecks 4080s i don't like 5700x3d as its just a worse bining of 5800x3d.
Also If You can find a 3080ti used for around 400€ don't think as it is an older gpu is a potent gpu that can be bought on Nice money. It's like a 4070/4070s but with Nice connector that won't burn your PC. Takes a 750w gold psu.
I switched from 5600 to 5800X3D only after purchasing the 7900 XTX. I'm playing in 4K and I can see that the CPU change was not as necessary as I thought
Yeah at 4K, it’s going to less noticeable
current AMD gpus have less cpu overhead compared NVIDIA so keep that in mind.
Good to know I probably don't need to upgrade my CPU. Did you use the same CPU cooler for both tests?
great video, not many address the AM4 CPU performance differences. Would be interested to see the same done with some "lesser" GPU's to see if 1080 differences are more significant. Thanks again
Great video. I went from a 5600x to a 5800x3d and overall gaming now feels "smoother".
I'm not sure how to quantify it in a benchmark. The 5600x is still an awesome (now budget) cpu in 2024.
I have a 5800x. I was conflicted about if it was worth getting the 3d version. Undervolted and overclocked the 5800x, now it's roughly 10-15% faster than stock. No more fomo for me, haha.
Hi David, great video as always.
Could you do a cyberpunk 2077 guide on best settings at 4k, for best performance.😊
Thanks David for the side bye side comparison. I actually have the Micro Center 5600X3D example and was seriously thinking about a RTX 4070 Super paired with it. (1440p gaming) I figure the extra cache will close the gap between the 8 core variant. Cheers!
Unless the game features 8 core utilization. 5600X3D actually isn't far off 5800X3D
It's the second fastest of AM4 X3D variants. Faster than 5700 X3D on average due to higher clock speed.
@@armschoolc32 Yes, The benchmarks in games shows that 5800X3D has very little benefit in most situations except some fringe CPU bound scenarios. I personally would buy the 5800X3D for its 2 core and 4 more threads if on AM4. I got the MIcro Center deal with motherboard and ram for $299.00 and couldn't resist its price.
my 5800x couldnt get my 7800xt to full util at 1080p in a lot games either, threw in the 3d and its always at 100% now. also a huge performance gain
It’s a great value chip if you’re already on AM4. If I were building from scratch I would probably go AM5, but seeing as I already had the ram and the motherboard, it was a nice affordable upgrade, relatively speaking…
As always, if ur on AM4 already, an upgrade might be worth it, if u encounter bottlenecks or stutters (Id probably go for a 5600x3D or 5700x3D if available). If not, go for AM5 or wait for the 9000 series even.
I own a 5800x3D paired with a 7900xtx nitro+ and I got it especially for Star Citizen back then, which benefits a ton from the extra V-cache (I had a 5600G, 5500 basically, bought it during the insane mining times). Additionally all the micro stutters in some other games were gone and FPS is general are very stable with the 5800x3D.
What would you say your GPU utilization was?
I appreciate the video. I just upgraded from a R7 1700 and was stressing between a 5700x3D and a 5800x. Ultimately I decided to go with a 5600x and throw the extra cash to a better video card to replace my AMD 580. This video showed me it would be nice to have the extra power of a 5800x3D, but the much cheaper 5600x gets me most of the way there in the 1440 60Hz or 4K 60Hz my monitor and TV operate it. I'm not looking so much at max FPS, but more concerned about a bottleneck at 3k or 4k gaming.
r5 7500f is also an option if you could get one, near the performance of 5800x3d but cheaper
awesome. love this kind of video where you showed real life situation with real life people gaming. could save money when playing 1440p by using a cheaper cpu.
Not all games take advantage of the X3D V-cache.
have a 5700x paired with a 7900xt honestly happy with this so far
5700x3d is 199 in the US
@Joeshmoe2579 already had the 5700x before the 5700x3d was announced no reason to buy one now in my case I'm happy with what I got no problems
@@RemyBDP More for others passing by
I upgraded from a 5600X to 5800X3D and found that it can push higher refresh rates much more comfortably. With the 5600X I would get the occasional frame drop, but the 5800X3D is rock solid when holding those higher frames.
@Greggoryy The 5700x3d is 158 on Aliexpress :)
@Greggoryyyou enjoy throwing money in the garbage I take it?
That CPU is a steaming pile of garbage, a 5800X destroys it stock. Lock it at max boost all core and it destroys it even more.
@@South_0f_Heaven_a 5800x does not destroy a 5800x3d bud lmfao the x3d is the best am4 cpu for gaming
You clearly have no clue. In no games does the 5800x destroy the 5800x3d, what are you smoking?@@South_0f_Heaven_
@@MrDalesen you own both CPU’s?
Or are you basing your evidence on what other people say.
YO! I play doom eternal on 1440p with 12700k and 3080 rog strix, I play on 250 fps cuz that game basically allows you to do things u normally could not do on 144/165 fps or less.
My gpu stays on 70-80 percent cuz I play with dlss ON (performance mode) but my cpu stays on 65-70 % sometimes, it is normally on 40-50% but
I play with tons of mods and there are so many demons and action on the screen that my cpu reaches 70% usage sometimes, would you
say this is a cpu bottleneck?
i have regular 5800x with 4090 im probably good to skip 9000 series but will upgrade to whatever is next.
Thx for competitive settings. Include please valorant in next videos.
I find your videos very interesting. I bought a 5700X3D a short while ago because I also bought myself an Asus TUF Gaming RX 7800 XT. Aswell as a 165Hz freesync 1440p screen. Coming from a 5600x. I wanted to be sure I had the least possible bottleneck for my new RX 7800 XT. My 5600x will go into a secondary rig. And my third rig has an R5 5500GT CPU. AM4 is not dead. 5700X3D/5800X3D rivals AM5 R5 7600x and R7 7700X for gaming performance specifically. For AM5 you need to go for 7800X3D to really beat the 5700X3D/5800X3D by a good margin (for gaming). Best case scenario 30% better performance.
while I don't have the 4080 super, I do have the cpu ryzen 5 5600x with gpu being rx 7800 XT and just trying to wrap my head around if I want to upgrade just because of the gpu to get more fps
It depends on the game, detail settings, and resolution, as always.
Hi and thanks for the video. Do you think with an I7 10700KF it s the same, more or less?
My 10700k used to bottleneck my 3090. Pairing your 10700kf with a 4080 Super is a bad idea.
@@originalityisdead.9513 do you play in 1440p ?And thanks for the answers.
@marcogalliani279
3440x1440p. If you're getting an RTX 4080 Super, you want a new CPU as the 1% and 0.1% lows would be awful in demanding titles, and when RT is turned on, the CPU would struggle immensely.
Now the question is, does the cache provide more FPS or the 2 cores?
I would also like to know that! :D
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Really great video. What i take from this is keeping my 5600x until it dies
Hi, i have 1650 super with i3 10100f
I want to upgrade it to 7800XT with i5 11400 or i7 11700. What will be best
I dont want to spend on MB and RAM
There is roughly 5% difference between the i5 and the i7 no difference in gaming , the extra 2 cores of the i7 could come handy in multi tasking.
@lhaceneleroux3863 Thanks, but will i5 11400f works fine with 7800xt.
@@gauravmittal5129 bottleneck on 1080p most likely but any higher resolution you'll be fine
I just got a 7900gre but even at 1440p with a 165hz panel my 5800x is struggling not even 99% usage
Good test, 5600x or 5800x/5900x/5950x with tuned bdie ram will come to spitting distance within 5800x3d. 5800x3d is great for people who dont tune their systems but imo 5900x or 5950x with tuned bdie is much better option than 5800x3d, 5600x is a bit low on core count, some games do like to have 8 cores these days
True. And not only with B-dies. Well tuned E-dies are not that much slower, as well as modern RAM with 3600MHz/CL16 XMP (based on Hynix D-die, for example). Most of these kits can easily achieve 3800MHz/CL16.
Plus, with non-3D CPUs you can use Curve Optimizer and raise core clock by 200MHz, which brings another 2-3% bump.
Very nice comparison, really well done.
How about 5800X vs 5800X3D ?
could you do 7600x vs 7800x3D?
As someone who played in 4k, I've visited your video twice since you posted this. The only one that provides numbers on those resolutions! My 5600x is oced to 4.85Ghz, even stock figures performance compare to 5800x3d is not that big unless you play in lower resolution. Probably would jump to am5 next year!
I’d be curious if an overclocked 5600x at 4.6ghz at all times holds up better on the lows.
Rocking the 5600x with a 2080ti, the the next full build anyway, new everything 🙃 just waiting till I need it
i'm always curious as to the decision to include titles like "starfield" and "gray zone warfare" in a test like this, as both seem to be relatively unoptimized - especially in regards to cpu performance. it almost feels like you are testing the game's performance more than the performance of the cpu in-game, if that makes any sense. i know starfield has received some updates to help with this, but it still seems like typical "bethesda optimization." games like fh5, cs2, & cp2077 make more sense to me since they tend to utilize given resources in a more predictable - and often consistently scalable - manor. other than showing real-world application for sake of user expectation, is there any benefit in a cpu test to use those two specific games, or am i missing something (which is absolutely possible)?
thanks for the content, i really am appreciative - even when i have what might be considered dumb questions, lol.
Meh. It's to show how it runs.
Sure it should't be included in metrics or used as consideration.
Optimized or not better if better CPUs are giving better performance it's valid
@@echo5827 because of the title of the video, i thought the point of the video was whether or not a 5600x will bottleneck high-end gpus, not to see how it performs in unoptimized early access titles. just seems like a strange choice for this video in particular. it isn't worthless data, for sure! it just seems kind of irrelevant to the point of the video.
i have trouble running forza horizon 5, there as been many complaints of the same issue i am having and that is that they seems to be a memory leak somewhere , the track disappears and i get a message saying low streaming bandwidth , have you had any issues? i have a very similar setup to yours i think
great video by the way
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What gpu are u on?
I have an rtx 3060 12gb and a ryzen 5600 not overclocked and it runs like slicing a hot knife trough butter
@@dev1lachthi bud, im on a 4080 super , 5800x3d , so i should be running it no problem, doesnt like something !
@@deanchipchase966 use trs is it i think as anti aliasing or dlss on quality
I have set everything to high or extreme
I have 135-145fps constantly without stutters or something
Ayyy that sucks fh5 is nice af
@@deanchipchase966 low streaming bandwith teminds of a setting in Mw3 where it downloads textures and stuff for a better fps stability midgame
With it on i have similar problems like you
After turning it off never had this issues again
Those 1% lows though... I think in some cases it might be worth for the consistency. The worst thing is when the FPS jumps too much and goes all over the place.
5800X3D in Australia is $499 but Ryzen 7600 is $299 and offers similar /better/worse depending on title. 5800X3D is great but 7000 series IPC pulls its weight and is cheaper by $200 you can throw at the GPU.
correct but also people should consider the 5700x3d which is au$358 which is near 5800x3d perf
Thanks for including an in game test in cyberpunk. The game seems to be very demanding on the cpu, especially in the city. Currently I'm running a 5600x with a 3080 10gb, and I'm thinking about upgrading to a 5800x3d. Do you think it would give me a couple of extra fps in cyberpunk?
What did you just see? 🙄
@@akileshq that the 5600x got destroyed
@BeingBOTisCareer did you upgrade in the end and if you did how do you find it?
I have the same processor and GPU as you and was thinking if it was worthwhile to upgrade tho at 4K, doesn't seem like I'll be missing much except in a handful of games, but still considering to do it as I do plan to upgrade to the 5080 when that comes out eventually.
@@Stuala-gj2bg no I haven't upgraded yet, I'm waiting for the new ryzen generation. Other than cyberpunk, I haven't had an issue with the 5600x, it performs well in other games. ( my definition of well is 100+ fps in single player or 180+ in multiplayer). Upgrading is worth it even at 4k in my opinion, I think Daniel Owen made a video on that but I can't seem to find it rn.
I wonder which CPU aged better between the 5600x and i7 10700k as they were priced similarly when Zen 3 was released in late 2020.
Very true. Be cool to test stuff like that someday when budget allows
Omg I’m also like under the same boat but maybe for different reasons 😂
I’m getting a 4080 non super but I still have 5600x for now until I get money for a good cpu. Needing to know what I can expect from a bottlenecked 4080 since I’m getting mine used(and that’s important so I can know wether to return it or not) I’m assuming I will be getting like 5-10 less frames than these tests since he has a 4080 super? If not let me know with a reply, I will be very grateful 🙏
4080 and super perform identically funnily enough
I too have 4080 and 5600x and not much is lost in terms of performance at 4K and maxed out settings. Hardly 5-10 percent loss if any. Will run 5600x for another 1-2 years before prices on the 5800x co,e down or will buy 9000 series which is coming out soon
@@spashashank oh my gosh, that is really surprising to hear but also a relief. thank you for responding!
You can also check yourself when you game at 4k. check your cpu and your usages., GPU usage should be ideally above 80-90% and CPU should be lesser. If your CPU usage is higher than the GPU then your CPU is slower for your GPU.
@@spashashank omg thanks dude for the tip. I’m gonna keep an eye out for that once I get my hands on the gpu!
I have r5 7600 what gpu take it RTX or AMD 1080p 165hz
Any of the GPUs available for 1080p; 6750xt for AMD's last gen or even 6800 (can do 1440 as well) it mostly depends on the games you intend to play.
7800 XT/7900 GRE or 4070 Super.
Went from a
5800x to a 5800x3d and for a bunch of games I play that are more CPU heavy, yes it made a huge difference. Non 3d CPUs struggle with some games like crazy. So it's dependant on what you play. Hell let loose went from 70 fps and bad 1% lows to tops of 150 fps and smooth game play. On a 3080 10 gb, same with cyber punk on 1440p at pretty much max settings in both games
Is your 5800x3d running on a updated bios AM4 mobo? Just got mine and having issues booting w both sticks of ram installed
Yeah it is
im running my 5800x3d on a very bad ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 and it works fine. If you can boot up with 1 stick try getting the bios update on a usb stick and just update your bios. will probably fix it
@@Puwpl actually I found out that the problem was just that I couldn't see anything before Windows. The bios/pre-boot screen was being output onto my GTX 1080's DVI port and not the DisplayPort.
Luckily someone had answered an old forum post and left a link to an nvidia page for the gpu DisplayPort firmware update. Fixed my issue instantly
@UnimportantAcc I think I've been experiencing the same issue, could you point me to that page?
@@rasluffi I'm not sure if I can post a link nowadays in YT comments but search google for "NVIDIA Graphics Firmware Update Tool for DisplayPort 1.3 and 1.4 Displays" and you'll find it immediately
Best of luck mate I hope it solves ur issue x
Can the 5 5600x run the 7900xt?
shouldent go no higher then a 6800 or 6800 XT on the 5600x or 3070/3080 like 4070 as well!
Hello, I have a 5600X + 1070. I want to upgrade to the 7900XT. Will I find a bottleneck with the 5600X? At a display resolution of 1440
Yes. I think that every gpu more powerfull than 7800xt is too much for 5600 at 1440p.
0:36 Need to overclock that 5800X3D at 1.28V and 4500MHz. The auto overclock leaves a lot to be desired. I don't think there are CPU's on the market that can push these GPU's to their limits in low 1080P. I've tried explaining this to people. Don't buy 4000 series if you want 1080p or even 1440p, and the burden only gets worse when you turn on DLSS and Framegen.
I've honestly been suggesting people pick up a 3090 since the 24GB of vram will keep its value and just enjoy themselves for 550 dollars, resell it when you're ready for like 300-350. There you go, you just spent about 200 dollars instead of losing 5-600$.
For the games that tend to be heavier on the CPU it will make a difference, otherwise not much difference.
Would you recommend a 5700x3d paired with a 4070 super
That sounds like a sensible combo. Would love to test a 5700X3D against my 5800X3D
No get the 7900GRE instead of the 4070 S. Much better pairing and higher frames especially with SAM enabled smokes the shit out of the 4070 S.
I recently gave my 3070 to my nephew who's PSU died and took his 1080 with it, Ive been wanting to build a new system, but I've been hamstrung with the 3070's 8gb vram, So i was needing a total rebuild. Now with this video I can see I will bottleneck my next gpu for awhile, but thats fine with me. 7900xtx will feel much nicer when gaming at 1440p ultra and will work even better once I upgrade the rest of the system by Christmas 2024. Waiting on the newer AMD stuff as I'm hoping for a newer chipset in additiion to the newer CPUs. 5600x (100%) 5800x3d(130%)7600(135%)7800x3d(150%) is about how i see it roughly speaking.
Will a ryzen 7 7800x3d bottleneck the new Nvidia GPU series you think? (5000 series)
At 1080 yeah you can get some performance benefit upgrade. Higher resolutions probably not. Anything above 1080 you become GPU bound more so.
I've been wondering why DLSS doesn't give me much fps boost in alot of games... Guess it's almost time for an upgrade 😢
You need a 4000 series Nvidia GPU to truly take advantage of it.
I have a R7 5800X3D with a 3060TI. Love to see the comparison.
How's the performance?
@@angeldust1732 I have been able to run all the games on Game pass above 60 FPS with maxed settings. I mostly play Fortnite @ 165 FPS to match my monitor refresh rate and it runs smoother than ever with high 1 percent lows. My monitor is 1440P but you can get much higher frame rates at 1080p, which I do from time to time. I would say the performance is outstanding . I upgraded from the Ryzen 5 3600 and seen a 80 percent increase in framerate @ 1080P in fortnite.
Been debating going from a 5600X to 5700x3d for my 4070ti thanks for saving me money Im running 4k W Dlss
I think you would just get a slightly better fps uplift and a smoother experience if you went to the 5700x3d. If you don't plan on building a whole new rig anytime soon then I don't see why not but otherwise save it for next build.
In theory, and in numbers, it doesnt make a lot of diference, but in real world feeling it does make a diference going 8 cores with a lot of cache (5700x3d, 5800x3d). I can say this because i've upgraded from a 5600 to a 5700x3d due to a second-hand deal, and i'm realy happy. Cyberpunk is night and day, the last of us aswell. Not sure if it's the extra 2cores/4threads or the extra cache, but i'm realy happy with my € 70 extra investment (from selling one and buying other second hand).
Great video. Are the 5600x stock?
I’m guessing so.
I'm gonna be real chief. I upgraded from 5600x to a 7800x3d, running a 7900xt. I play 1440p. It wasn't a worthwhile investment unless you flip RT on.
Did it stutters less tho when you upgrade it on 1440p?
Appreciate your honesty bro! Keeping it real!
Interesting. I have the 5600x. I do not want to basically do a new build. I bought the 5900x but have not opened it yet. Still trying to figure out if it is worth upgrading
What makes you say it isn’t worth the upgrade?
Unless you use RT?
Soooo.. with an AMD 7900XTX GPU what Ryzen CPU would you upgrade a 5600X to...?
5700x3d / 5800x3d
Im wondering to get 7800xt or 4070 super and thinking my 5600 will bottleneck those cards... so i can keep my 5600 because im plying most of time in 1440p ultra or high.
I'm in the same situation and wondering the exact same.
@@Grafzaaiers I did some research, you got bottleneck just in low resolution like 1080p and with lower graphics quality. If you still in 1440p there s no diference between 5600 or 5800x3D with 4070, 4070 super, 7700xt and 7800xt.
@@duque_bm
I did some research too. It seems that with most games it’s fine or just a small bottleneck but with some games it’s a pretty heavy bottleneck (20-40%) even at 1440p.
I might go for an AM5 7800x3d build and pair it with a 7900 GRE or XT. I feel like I’m throwing away money/leaving performance on the table otherwise.
This is a loaded question because it’s game dependent. The better a game leverages the available CPU cores. iRacing is a prime example of poor CPU optimization. Even a 14900KS will bottleneck a 4080S in iRacing.
I have the RTX 4060
How would it fare with the 5600x?
Also would you recommend the 5700x3d with 4060 or the 5600x is just fine?
5600x is more than enough for rtx 4060
I needed to see this video. Now I can sleep in peace knowing I can save money on the 5800x3D even when the price on the secondhand market is reasonable.
the 5800x3D is kind of a whole another beast from the 5600x, that extra cache makes a huge difference in many games. Not to say this comparison is unfair but the 3D is kind of in a class of its own.
Bud that 5800X3D is a steaming pile of garbage. Would think by now people would have figured it out but I guess not.
You want worse gaming performance buy a 5800X3D
You want worse productivity buy a 5800X3D
Want your PC to just work buy Intel.
@@South_0f_Heaven_ mate this is just a comparison between 2 amd cpus and you come barging in boasting about intel, I doubt any of us care. We are just am4 owners seeing if it's worth it to upgrade to a 5800x3d, and we just don't care about intel in this scenario. Also not sure how 5800x3d is worse at gaming than an intel cpu.. but okay lol
@@pravnav I didn’t realize people like this still existed in AMD vs Intel debates lol
@@South_0f_Heaven_ and yet intel is selling worse and worse with shittier power efficiency
be quiet man, don't bring intel up in an amd conversation
@@South_0f_Heaven_ oh no, the inteltard got triggered
i have a 5800x and don't realy think i will go to 7000 series , just wait 9000 series.
i recently sold my 3080 ti and found an 4080 sh at 850 euros because im in europa.
Sounds like you’re in the same boat as me!
@@davidnott_ yea man . btw i saw your pool about doing some live . go for it . maybe try some retro games to
Just made the jump. To the 7800x3d, it only made sense when I found a 7900xtx for 400 + trade for 3080. At about 1300ish the 5800x3d and 3080 will get you the best value. Just waiting for 1440p to be mainstream we're not quite there as 120fps would be a sweet spot. 4090 is too wasteful at the price point.
this guy is perfect on time, im a lil late
Went to a 5700x3d and still experiencing massive frame stutters during battles in helldivers 2 on a 3060 on just 1080p high so it seems like the game is massively unoptimized
The 3060 is lower end GPU with limited VRAM. The.5700X3D is way overpowered for that GPU being held back by significant GPU bottleneck. Sell the 3060 and get a used 6700XT or 6800XT for the most cost effective method of achieving a balanced build that gets the most from both CPU and GPU. Otherwise, your wasting money on performance your not getting.
@@bodasactra I’m considering a gpu upgrade and might when Blackwell/rdna 4 drops. I’ve noticed other players that do have much more powerful gpus than me have also been experiencing frame stutters in this game though. It’s not as much of an issue in other games though, which suggests a game optimization issue as this game shouldn’t be demanding
Helldivers 2 was made on a discontinued game engine (game took like 7-8 years to make).
Have you tried lowering the graphics settings to see if that helps or try lower the render resolution lower than native?
@@Joeshmoe2579 yeah I’ve tried 1080p ultra, high, medium and low. It’s only when there’s a lot of things going on that the frames become unbearably bad. Explosions, lasers, drop shops and enemies and 4 players. I’ve read others across the internet having better but still fps drops for people using 7800x3d and 4070 and higher. I guess the fact it’s nowhere as bad in any other game proves you are correct and it’s something they can hopefully fox with updates
@@NGreedia Yeah I hope they optimize it more without cutting corners by making it simpler. I myself run a 7800x3d and do see the frames drop dramatically when chaos let’s loose 😂
Those CS2 numbers don't look right, I get CPU bound a lot faster in actual play.
Unfortunately the 5800X3D has only gone up in price, the 5700X3D however is great value (got one for 172 euro) and it also keeps a little bit cooler
Interesting to see the 0.1% hit on the 5600 using dlss. Quite significant. Lower score than without dlss.
1080P low it is interesting to watch some posible gaps as trivia but benchmarking in my opinion must be in ultra.
Edit: do you note any perfomance visually in FS from 40 fps to 70?
If you want to benchmark GPUs -> Highest Settings
If you want to benchmark CPUs -> low Resolution, low Settings.
If you want to test how your System pumps out FPS in Games - > desired Resolution + Settings.
He tests different resolutions. He tests in low and high. With RT, without RT. Testing on 1080p low is not trivia to me.
So for flight sim I only have a 60hz panel, it’s just a cheapish 4K TV, so I’ll lock the fps for msfs in the nvidia control panel to 60. When frame gen is enabled, the sim goes down to 30, then frame gen doubles it up to 60. It’s noticeably smoother. Longer term goal is to get a variable refresh rate tv, but for now it works
People should not forget the cheaper 5700X3D option as well. There is also 5600X3D, but that cpu is a rare one. But if 5600X3D was actually easy to get, i think that cpu could be an incredable cpu for gaming. NOt as fast af 5700X3D/5800X3D. But that 3D cashe does matter in games alone.
Good point! Would love to test these
Does the x3d cpu really matter when you use a 4K 60Hz monitor or are the extra frames just wasted anyway at 4K?
If you’re targeting 60fps, I’d be paying more attention to the 1% lows and 0.1% lows, trying to get them as close to 60 as possible too. There’s a school of thought with competitive titles that more than 60fps has a benefit even when using a 60hz monitor as the frames you see are newer frames, but I think you’re really splitting hairs at that point, as if you really cared about competitiveness you’d be on a high refresh display
i'd say no. But as someone who went from a 1080p 60hz display to a 1080p 165hz you will feel difference in smoothness on most games. Some games will play smoother the higher the framerate, But others (mostly 2d games) I saw zero difference. I also played on a 280hz display but couldn't feel much difference from a 165hz
I game 4K quality upscale 6950XT and 5600 clocked at 5600X speed. I'm almost always GPU bottlenecked so I'm not buying the 5800X3D. If I start seeing GPU usage less than 90% in games then maybe...but I always see 95+% GPU usage for now.
Yeah at 4K you’re much less likely to feel a CPU bottleneck
I don't buy top end GPU's, haven't since the 980Ti. That cost me £580 (trade price, I got a deal) and just five months later, Nvidias website said that they no longer optmize for my card beyond "critical fixes and updates". So I gave up on Nvidia AND on buying top end GPU's.
I currently have a Ryzen 2600 and a 5700XT. After a lot of benchmark reading etc, settled on an upgrade path of a 7800XT and a 5600X3D or 5700X3D. I play at 1440p on a 42" LG OLED TV and I mostly play older games. Newer games I can drop to 1080p on the 5700XT, but I don't see a problem there with a 7800XT.
I upgrade economically, best value I can find for what I need.
What the hell is Bethesda programming when you get the same fps (~70) at 1080p ultra and 4k ultra
Gonna have to guess you got some clips mixed up or something
No bottleneck when it vomes to 2k or 4k resolutions
Came to this video just for the Warzone 3 numbers 😭😭😭
I just bought a 4080 super and I play in 3440x1440
I have a 3600x and I don't understand what to replace it with seeing these tests
Go with what u can afford. If u have the budget, 3dx chip is better, if not, the 5600x is still a viable option.
5700x3d is 199 in the US
Edit: (don’t know why my reply is not going through @nat99997)
Amazon AMD store has them in stock no idea how many they have
@@Joeshmoe2579 is there a good supply?
@@nat99997 Not sure how many in stock for Amazon AMD store but it's there
@@nat99997 It is on the Amazon AMD store but not sure how much in stock they have
Star field needs to be taken off benchmarks since it’s such a poor engine to allocate power to either cpu or gpu; its the engine being the bottleneck or limiter when it has poor utilization all around
Before watching the video, my guess is no, not at all. The cpu specs needed to play games are staggeringly small, its all about the memory and gpu.
Will the ryzen 5 5600x bottleneck the rx 7700xt ?
The 5800x3dcis bottlenecking too in 1080p and 1440p with a 4080s
Tldw. My 5900x did bottlenecked my 4080. I'm pretty sure 5600 will too. I would guess its due to memory bandwidth limit of am4.
The CPU Ryzen 5 5600x perfectly handling RTX 4080 for 1440p+ resolution gaming. I wouldn't suggest anyone to buy this monster for 1080p gaming, it will be overkill for it. I think that my Ryzen 5 5600 (non x variant) will handle it pretty good for 1440p gaming.
Optimal configuration 5600+4060ti
Yeah nice and balanced
cpu cache is king
of course it will
They are only using 51% of the cpu for both ,an R7 5700g is the same against the R7 3700x Was not worth the upgrade to the 5700G.You would think it should but no.I even used the same PC and did 4 benchmarks on each they were very little difference.
New 5600x on ebay $110, new 5800x3d is $280. I'd like to see a comparison between a 5800x3d / 4070 Ti Super and 5600x / 4080 super for nearly the same price. I believe 5600x with 4080 super would have better performance.
Depends what you play. Warzone wouldn’t do so well, I’d imagine. Be a fun test though, too bad I’m not sampled by Nvidia 😅
Short answer yes. My 5800x bottlenecked my 3080ti.
it does bottle neck my 3080
If a 5600X did not bottleneck high end GPUs how is it a 5600X3D gets massively better fps on the same GPUs? Lol, kind of obvious.
helldivers 2 - 5600x rip(
5600 non x was bottlenecking my 7800xt while 5800x3d does not bottleneck it at all. Spiderman god of war cyberpunk 1440p.