Poker Hands - Scott Seiver DUMBFOUNDED By Aces (One Drop $1,000,000 Buy In)
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- Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2016
- Imagine finding yourself in the richest poker tournament ever conceived. It's the WSOP Big One For One Drop with a $1,000,000 buy in. Scott Seiver is relentlessly betting into you on a dangerous board, but you look down and find two aces. You can't possibly let it go... Can you?
This is more or less the situation that Tobias Reinkemeier must deal with. Daniel Negreanu, Dan Colman, and everyone else at the table looks as Tobias wrestles with the decision. Back in the present, Doug takes a step back and performs an autopsy on this infamous hand, sharing his thoughts on how each player managed.
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“I’m a little bit more okay with either option here” - Doug Polk, 2017.
Meaning, it's a closer decision than pre-flop, where he felt 3-bet was stronger than flat
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Seiver's table talk, after he knows he is less than 15% to win if called, is mind blowing! Absolutely phenomenal!
It is very good
95% of people would give away their hand trying to do thya
He's so numb at this point
lol the worst talk ever. he would never talk like this with the nuts
He should have shut up after he asked with the club. Up until that, the talk was just perfect. But after was a little much and I would have picked up on it. Where hes saying sometimes theres nothing you can do etc etc.
The only channel on YT where a video averages 15 minutes and I watch every second of it. Quality RUclips content is a rarity these days, thanks for everything you do.
The heads up conversation on the river looked like a Hollywood movie lol i love Scott
Except Scott Seiver was correct about that hand. Doug practically pointed out that he knew he wasn't always ahead there, he was pretty much playing pot control (and claims to have been playing his full possible range and not the hand he was holding) in case Daniel had some broadway cards without the ace, which Doug would have been beating.
@@Meletusocrates lol what the hell are you talking about? neither doug nor daniel were in this hand....
If you make the decision to trap with Aces, you kind of have to call against a three card flush and straight on board at the turn. That's the spot you put yourself in. You trap against the short stack to get them to jam second best hands. You shouldn't do that if you're going to get gun shy when the board gets dangerous.
You don't trap to get paid by the second best hand. Those hands would pay you off regardless. You trap to get money from bluffs
I think game theory wise, if u are going to trap with aces pre flop, you should basically call anything after that (based on stack sizes). Of course it would be different with larger stack sizes, but i would have played differently.
Doug, you are putting out the best poker content right now on youtube, love it.
Bluffing's gotta be nerffed
I think it's important here when Scott asked whether Tobias had the ace of clubs, that should tell tobias that Scott doesnt have the nut flush and eliminates a lot of combos in his value range. Ofc it could have been a sick mind game but it wasn't, Scott was just curious and Tobias should have made the call for sure with that added info.
I don't think thats right. First of all, I don't think you can apply ranges like that. Once he begins to talk about the hand and calls out a specific card, its not a range anymore. It doesn't matter how small his range is- if he was the one to give you that information deliberately, that is nothing you can work with. What Scott tries to do here is to make his sets appeare more likely cause he is afraid that Reinkemeier has Ace of club and a queen of another suit. Ofc it is a hand that is hard to lay down, but Seiver has to try, anyways. It only eliminates the nuts of his range. But psychologically, isn't it even a sign of strength if you admit, not to have the nuts in some twisted way? And all of this is just based on the fact that Scott Seiver doesn't lie. And considering this truely outstanding tabletalk under so much pressure, I wouldn't even count on that.
@@kilianbauer3942 I think Ben acknowledged that asking about the Ace of clubs *could* have been a mind game, but I think he was genuinely asking. The point being, IF Reinkemeier believed Seiver when he asked about the Ace of clubs, then it makes it a slam dunk call, because there is no other hand that makes sense for value for Seiver other than the Ace-high flush.
scott seiver's hair looks like its eating itself
Hahhahhah
daveyschneider he’s worth millions! Who cares!
Make fun until yours starts falling out too lol
"I'm a little bit more okay with either option here."
We know...
Lol
"Luckily for Tobias, his decision was wrong either way." lmao
LMAO I just re-watched this years later and totally missed that savagery the first time around
He did play it bad on every street.
If he was gonna fold to a flush draw then once there was 2 clubs on the flop he needed to get Seiver off that hand by putting him all in before the turn.
so dumb.
Should have raised the cost-bet on the flop for sure.
Not as easy as that dude.. how if seiver really has flush draw and decide to gambling (call the all in) and then he hits the club? Many people out there brave to gambling with his draw..
I mean, you are always happy to get it in good. If the other guy hits his flush, he got lucky, you can't be results oriented.
@@fajarkurniawan6199 lol yes its literally as easy as that dude
Reinkemeier imo is easily in the top 5 players in the world, if anyone has seen more of him other EPT and televised events then you would know he truly is extremely good at this game.
No one that has commented on this hand has mentioned how genuinely nervous Scott was when he found out about the AA'S. I saw those nerves in TV and so did negraneau and Colman
I was thinking the same thing. He looked rattled. Tobias should've picked up on that.
Hey Doug! Continuing on the One Drop theme here, could you analyze Sam Trickett's AA against Negreanu's J9 where the latter rivered trip 9's to take out Sam? Thanks!
Wtf? I really wanted to see that river. Damn
Aaron Asmus i was a Ace
Rabbit hunt in duck season
Imagine if it was an ace. Scott would have easily doubled up
it doesn't matter
@@carlacvekla1444 no shit
What’s the point of trapping if it’s to fold at the first sign of action!
If you are scared of the flush draw well protect your hand on the flop!
That’s a terrible and passive way of doing this!
I agree, but I kind of suck so what do I know.
seriously this is absurd! You trapped so you could get action, then when he gives it to you, you throw your hand away?
Exactly. He even says this himself "I was trapping, Scott". What was he hoping for, a small raise he could jam on? Daft sod levelled himself because of the stakes.
@@ShoeAlmighty He was trying to trap a draw bluffing at the pot. The most obvious draw then immediately came in... What could have been a bluff on the flop could now be the nuts....
@@ShaggyRogers1 But when there are hands that Scott could be value betting that are worse than aces such as KK, KQ, and AQ, or hands that he could be bluffing such as KT or AK with a club, you have to call.
Poker Hands is the best, thanks for doing lots of these!
Great video bro. Good luck in the 25k man.
Just want to say I love all of your content Doug. Keep it up.
Great video, love your channel. Cheers ;)
doug pold poker advice in a nut shell, fold some of the time, bet some of the time, call some of the time
Well your comment is obviously out of line. You cannot play "standard" poker or GTO or whatever all the time... You have to be unpredictable and adjust frequencies based on approximate reads.
The richest poker player in the history of the game made his money by folding some of the time, betting some of the time, or calling some of the time. Clearly an unbeatable strategy. 😜
Tobias leveled himself imo.
I believe that to understand Scott's reaction after fold, whole hand should be shown, uncut. Tobias was tanking for 10 minutes. Towards the end he was clearly just watching if Scott gives any tells. I think he was WAY over the line there, DN could have called the clock earlier as well. If you are fishing for tells and you can't make up your mind after Scott talks to you for a minute, just fold and stop playing. Tobias thinks he is a way better reader than he really is.
U gonna assume that by one hand? Tell me other spot where reinkemeier miss readed his opponent that bad u can say he cant read people? He was trying to get tells obv but the main case was how his range plays against scotts and can he fold/call aces
trdi There’s a reason he’s in the one drop and you’re at the .10/.20 tables
There was a lot to think about, he needed to tank. I don’t like DN, he’s always the one calling the clock.
@@santaclause3487 To you it's bad etiquette however it was perfectly within the rules to call the clock. If you are one to get tilted by someone pushing a time constraint on you, then your mental game needs serious work.
@@santaclause3487 Pff poker is already boring af the guy is lucky there was no shot clock never mind taking 10 minutes and you thinking that's not enough
Awesome tips - thanks!
Especially cool tips about Seiver's preflop raise size and contemplating a small 3B by the guy with AA.
Lolol - "C-bet squared" then you say, "Where I come from we just call that a double-barrel." Haha, games are fun.
Oh, man - the talking gets fun on the turn - epic!
I give credit of that fold to Seiver's skill in "planting the seeds of demise" in villain's brain. Seed-1) Asked if villain's "best starting hand" contained the ace of clubs - implying Seiver himself didn't have it, which nobody who didn't have it would usually ever do. Seed-2) Saying, "It's just the One-Drop - it's so sick - but what can you do." ~_^
Hey Doug! (just a recommendation) But could you please do the Jack Salter hand from the 2016 WSOP 111K One Drop, where he bluff shoves with AK vs 44...
Just think its an interesting spot, and definitely the one of the craziest bluffs of the summer.
Doug, can you explain what bluffs you would have when you 3 bet off a 17bb stack? I doubt Reinkemeier has a bluffing range if he makes a small 3 bet tbh, especially from the BB.
Who cares
Cabluigi you can’t do a small 3 bet imo. you have to jam and then you can easily balance that with bluffs.
Hey Doug! Please show the very and of the hands you analise too! I personally love seeing pros blowing up and having intense moments before the river hits them in da faaace! :D
I don't know what I just watched. He slow played the aces to get the trap, got exactly what he wanted, and then folded. It seems like a moment that was simply too big for him, more so than anything else. Almost like he intended to try to check call to a showdown with aces so as to avoid a large pot. I don't know what else would explain that move. Perhaps the little voice in his head was telling him that he would be lauded for making a great laydown or something. Rather than playing poker properly, he started playing poker for the cameras? It makes sense, I guess ... whereas the rest of that didn't.
Jeffrey Tackett Nah cause the flush would have him beat and when he goes all in what else are you gunna think
@@UserRandomSenders123 he’s not shoving with the flush
Having a good plan and not following through on it is just as bad as having a bad plan and following though on it with full gusto. I am not a big fan of slowplaying in general. But if you do it, you HAVE to stick with your plan and call down, even when the board gets a bit scary. If you are going to fold AA in a 17 BB deep pot, just because you lose to a few select hands, then much better to go for the traditional 3-bet preflop and either pick it up or get it in.
whos hair style is better, doug polks or scott seivers?
+Martin Bezuch Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Better question: who has the flyest faux-hawk, Polk or Selbsty?
Even better: who will abandon their trademark faux-hawk first?
Douggy: respect for not caving to the pressure, seriously. Do you. And you hafta believe; faux-hawks are bound to come back based on the twenty-year cycle... Happy Days & Grease came out in the 70s, neon came back in the 80s, The 70s came back in the 90s, the 90s are back now.... that means the faux hawk will be due around 2023, and when it returns you'll have massive equity accumulated. Gotta respect a long game like that.
Martin Bezuch Doug-obv
i think vanessa selbst has the same hair stylist as doug
Doug your analysis is not great on this video. If u watch the tournament beforehand, Siever was playing very tight and so his range is pretty narrow in the cutoff. Yes, Rank's hand is underrepped here but it is not a surefire call for him considering the payjumps on the final table as rank himself stated. It is naive to say this is such an obvious call--considering the ICM calculations along with seiver's perceived narrow range a fold can be totally justified. Your analysis is really poor on many videos sorry.
Seivers question „are the aces also of clubs?“ in this situation shows his world class !
What can we deduce when Seiver asks about the A of clubs ?
I think he fucked up and gave away that he didn't have it. I don't think he thought before he spoke
Or it's reverse psychology and he has the nut flush, asking about the club to induce a call
@@anthonycooney3516 I think you're right
Do you really think that a pro player would make such a mistake and say something which can be useful to other pro player?
As ainevek said, nothing that Seiver said could've helped Tobias. He has been playing poker for a long time, and believe me, they are not that stupid to make such a mistake.
@@DD-vc7fq actually the way he said it does kind of give off a good vibe he doesn't have the A of clubs. Either way I feel like this should have been a call everytime and if you run into a flush well that sucks.. but you cannot slow play aces than back off when the club hits.. If you didn't think he had clubs on the flop then go with that instinct. Plus there is too many draws Seiver can have here that he would want to all-in with - A5 clubs, K10 none clubs, A10 or KQ/ AQ with the K or A of clubs.. Somehow it doesn't make sense to go all-in with the flush unless he has a low flush and wants to protect it but still.. The chance is simply too high for Seiver to have a bluff or any of those draw to let AA go..
Just love the way Tobias says in a very stern German accent, "SHOW HIM!"
Can you please do Erik Seidel's hero call at EPT? It still blows my mind how he called it down. Thanks Doug!!
Great analysis!
I would like to hear DNeg’s one word recommendation after the table talk ended at 10:16. Either call or fold.
I agree Doug ... there is def a time to fold aces...but when you play your aces in this fashion and your hand is so disguised, I'm fist pump calling the turn IMO
looking back at this and seeing Tobias left the game in like 2017-18 and his wikipedia page which has a weird final line with no references.....just odd.
I was just about to ask you to analyze this hand. Thanks!
So funny. You're pretty amazing, keep it up brah
Totally agree with opening 3 bet recommendation.
Love the videos Doug
It's funny how after the fact it is just so OBVIOUS and clear in the 1m Buy-in event
LOL at Reinkemeier's face, full of conviction, thinking he made a huge correct laydown and saying "SHOW IT"
Seiver died after seeing the Bullets and on his Tombstone it said "Dumb, found, dead"
R.I.P.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't your logic flawed about the AA preflop flatcall from Tobias? You say Scotts range is less 77/88/AJ/AQ because he would just jam them. Therefore Scotts range consists of strong- and weak holdings. Strong, because of the 77s-argument. Weak, because he can be raise/folding - as we see with the KTs open. Just given the fact that the range you argue is on his strong side is like top 3%. That means that Scott is much more likely to have a raise/folding hand. Therefore > Flatcall, right?
You could argue he will have less bluff hands because the bluff hands mainly have an ace in them. I could see reasonable arguments both ways.
Hey at the end you said "Polker Hands", I'm glad you decided to go with your gut and switch it back.
I get Daniel negreanu's ad everytime I watch a video from doug. I want to block it on my phone so bad. I'll eat sandwiches and be loosey goosey all i want.
Leave it to seiver!
And the Oscar goes to.......
Doug Polk Poker oscar goes to Messi ofc..
When you say "He checks here as he should with pretty much all of his hands" at 6:56, would you mind going into what you mean by that a bit more?
Good stuff bro
13:23 Daniel wanting to go to the bathroom but not wanting to interrupt the action.
Doug, why did you check back when your hand is never good anyways? Table Talk is a cool name btw.
Thanks! Although I am confused about your question
Twas a reference to Seiver shit talking you in the one drop 99 vs QQ dnegs hand.
Seiver's breath smells like a fart in the shower.
you make out with him often?
Looking forward to the "Pillow Talk with Polk" pod. Kappa
I'm slightly dissapointed that you didn't point about live tells that Seiver gave there. For example when Tobias told about KT possibility he suddenly stop speaking. That would be nice how do you interpret this behaviour during that live speech things. But still nice analyze thx for it ;)
Doug, good episode of Poker Hands.
i love the way that daniel is watching this hand info for later
Where can I buy a Lucky Binks Feet tshirt?
Hey Doug, you should call this video "Poker Hands - Scott Seiver DUMBFOUNDED By Aces (One Drop $1,000,000 Buy In)
Doug before he got comfortable in front of the camera! Love it! As far as the hand goes, one of the best successful Bluffs ever. I think Scott knew reinkemeier was trying to pay-jump which is something he mentioned in an interview before the game started. He said he wanted to win enough to walk away from poker, knowing that this play makes more sense and we all know Seiver is into the meta game. But considering Tobias at most had 20-30 percent of himself what place does he have to get to make the return he was hoping for?
Seiver was going in all in with any hand at the turn or the river after the turn check. Knowing that, you have to call with AA because the range is just so large.
Doug, would/have you ever gone for a soul read play like this in a big event where you made a play that was way off what was logically correct without any 'tells'?
Can you review your hand with Scott when you folded TT on 582JJ?
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+Win Ro thanks dude, welcome!
Great subscription comes with great resposibiltiy. Y(^_^)Y
yo Doug !...noticed some books over on the table. if you don't mind me asking....whatcha reading ?
I love how Seiver talks a lot while bluffing. Many players talk only when they are strong and that's pretty annoying to see.
Looking forward to the 5am episode of Table Talk on a bed together Polk
in
you gonna play some chess?
I will overlook the bromance as long as you are talking about The Great Game.
Make sure the episode's around 32 minutes long
make sure you guys use condoms...
Is the title a typo? PoLker Hands ?
Do we reallly have a 3bet range here 17bb effectuve doug?
I thought he was nit rolling! Awful fold considering how under represented his hand was! Yuk!
yeah it's hard to pass judgement unless you're in that situation, but the bluffing just looked too textbook (obvious). on the turn I would not of put him on trips or even 2-pair because the flop was the giveaway. him not jamming all-in on the flop tells me he did not have anything to beat AA at that point.
I actually have two questions for you, Doug. #1: Would you say that the logical/analytical style (well, maybe not so much style, as style is usually used to label aggressive/passive play or similar descriptives, but let's perhaps say instead "methodology") that you employ is always the "correct" or perhaps "optimal" strategy to employ? Or do you feel that it's possible for a player skilled at quickly profiling even opponents they've never played before and intuiting responses to each opponent based on that, or perhaps some other variant strategy (such as "speechplay" etc.), to have the potential to be equally as optimal?
#2: If right at this instant the US Government welcomed online poker back into the country with open arms, and thus Pokerstars was able to flood back into the market in every state. Do you think poker would experience another boom as a result (albeit a smaller, more minor boom than that of the early-mid 2000's)?
I play my game, which is a blend of both above things. As far as #2, i dunno man, hard to really say
Damn your grammar game is strong
Stellar analysis. Plz don't say "Papi" it's already cringe enough when Joe says it every second. Fuck that S as always yours truly #1 fan -OG doug Polk fan.
+beerdonk You're gay af..doug is never cringy..ingram is.
Every time I watch this I wish he would call the river even though I know the result already. Thankfully I can watch the Phil Laak vs Seiver 42s vs AA hand.
Lol yup..
lol wow, high level stuff there. Nice jam
Yo doug. I go all in, do you call?
Will you still be making Polker News? Or is that show scratched in favor of Table Talk?
+Nick Dashineau Not scratched, but sidelined for the time being. I think every now and then is good but the problem with the show is it takes a lot to produce and generally gets less views
Doug Polk Poker Ah okay. Makes sense.
In case you want to plug it into a solver: Level 300k/600k with 75k Ante. Players are Negreanu (UTG), Newey (LJ), *Seiver (HJ)*, Salomon (CO), Vogelsang (D), Colman (SB) and *Reinkemeier (BB)*.
Effective Stack *Preflop before Ante* is 9,600k. Total Pot before Action starts is 1,425k.
Total Pot before *Flop* Action is 3,225k (~5.28 BB) with an effective Stack of 8,325k (~13.88 BB). Seiver's Flop Bet Size is ~50%.
Total Pot before *Turn* Action is 6,225k (~10.38 BB) with an effective Stack of 6,825k (~11.38 BB).
And the board obv is Qs4c2c-Jc. Dead cards are: Tc7d 7s4d 3d2d Th5c Jd9d
The worst thing he did wasn’t just folding aces - it was showing everyone his hand.
No the worst thing was folding
I live in california. Is there a way I can play online here? VPN?
I’ve made this exact same mistake before. When you under rep your hand, you should call. Almost every time.
Wayne i’ve literally never made this mistake because:
1. why are you trapping if you’re going go fold
2. folding sucks
3. no one likes a nit
You should do the tom dwan sammy george 72 hand! classic
Even that DN's gorilla pet at 13:51 is shocked by that fold
Joe Ingram is f-ing wild! Gotta love him!
Doug..is it a bad play to go all in after flopping a set of aces, with 50,000 in the pot pre flop and I have only 15,000 left?
He basically tells him that he is beat.. would of called after he says "wow" lol
By Scott saying that he think his opponent has KQ or QJ, he's implying that he has a flush. Aces would lose to a flush. So really it doesn't give away much
@@wabdih Why would you go all in against a player who you think would fold if you weren't bluffing. His betting pattern showed no strength since he was slow playing aces, always be suspicous of someone who bets into you when he thinks your weaker than you actually are. So you kind of have to call alot more since your opponent thinks your weaker, more likely to be bluffing. If he actually had a hand he would be value betting to make AQ or KQ continue since thats the range he put him on. No-ones gonna call top pair on a flush board with one card to go, if they have their tournament life on the line. Not saying i could necassarily call here but something to think about.
GIGADI! GIGADI! more polker hands! You really should name this Doug Polker, poker hands!
Dr Zaius couldnt believe the fold 13:51
Also, I know Doug doesn't like paying attention to table talk and live reads, but in my opinion, Seiver asking "aces with a club?" makes it less likely that he has the ace of clubs - possible that he wouldn't think of asking this if he knew it was impossible. That removes most of the flushes from Seiver's value range. Reinkemeier could've caught onto that.
Unless he was phol laak in which case who tf knows
Doug how do you rate Seiver as a NLH player ? Elite level ? Great analysis btw
K17swayne He didn’t give a fuck about you...
I never understood his reasoning to fold based on that he knows he is undereped. If Scott has him for lower strength a shove is more probable to seek a fold than a call.
Iv been playing a lot of poker during lock down, you can definitely try to maximise your chances and put yourself in good positions, but so many people are playing suicide poker. You get put into 50/50 situations way too often. People are not afraid to blow their whole stack on a bluff, in online poker.
Scotts talking when he finds out Reinkemeier has A's is pretty polorized
I wouldn't have shown him my cards on this hand because now hes never gonna believe that u have anything that ur trying to get him to believe that u have but on the other hand hes gonna know what u have in the long run of things
I heard a lot of insider info that they had pieces of each other
I believe check-raising the post-flop C-bet would have been the best play
Obviously a good fold lol. You really think poker would put like a deuce of hearts on river? pft come on it's poker, it would be an ace of clubs obviously
if i was tobias i would want to see that river card so badly in the off chance that it would allow me to sleep at night
Doug - I know its results oriented, but isn't Seiver insta-mucking his hand if Tobias raises pre-flop? More importantly, isn't there a large range of hands where Seiver is raising with the intent to fold to a 3-bet?
Calling with Aces pre makes sense if you know your opponent likes to raise too much pre with a tiny stack, and will assuredly c-bet. Unless there is no turn card that can scare you, then you should be check raising the flop.