It's a love/hate thing. First he annoyed the heck out of me, but now i like to watch him tilt players with his comments. I like to watch him but would hate to play against him.
To me it seemed like he was fairly certain Andy was bluffing, but in the off-chance he caught an Ace on the river, he would fold it. Amazing play, I would have likely folded my king.
A few live-factors that I saw that maybe in-context Martin picked up on to believe he was still ahead/Andy's bluffing. They don't 100% mean bluff, but they do polarize the possibilities even more than the overbet I'd think: 1. Andy's talking before the hand about being stuck A LOT already, so he may fight harder for pots he's not nutted on. 2. Andy checks his card suits for the first time on the river. Which is fine to check if you may unblock Clubs, but after leading all the action before, that seems a bit weird as you'd expect he'd have checked earlier in the hand for that. To first check now can seem like you're only looking at what you block or can represent, not what you actually have. 3. Andy's chip fumbling before betting 150k, especially combined with #1, seems a bit too weak. For someone as accustomed to these stakes as Andy to be acting that nervous/tilted throughout the hand really sticks out.
I noticed the chip fumbling too, he also touched his face right after that. I saw a lot of weakness in just that short period, coupled with being mega-stuck. Brilliant call by Martin.
Chip fumbling is a know false read to represent weakness. While wanting a call I'll sometimes randomly knock a stack over when opponent isn't directly looking but will notice.
When you touch your face it indicates a release of stress. Most of the time from the upper eye brow area. 4-5 times it’s a bluff. Andy does this twice on the river.
I LOVE what you did with Martin’s face.😂 if his face matched his personality and speech, it would look exactly like that. 1:12 I hate trolls… I absolutely… DESPISE! trolls… but I can’t stop watching!!!! 😂
I was thinking that too. It took him forever to bet the river. When u got it, you normally throw a bunch of chips out there and let the dealer count it.
Andy has to max polarise if he wants to bluff river credibly. 150k leaves the door open to Ac + Jc/Tc calling down too frequently, and he doesn't block any of that. The overbet shove is "only" 2x pot. I actually think the sizing he chose makes the least sense because he would go smaller with weaker value hands like 2 pair if he was even going to bet those. I think this is what Martin has picked up on.
Did anyone ever consider that some of the guys that play at the highest level like martin have a prodigious ability to read human emotion. Did anyone consider that Martin was about 99 percent sure andy was bluffing and by going all in himself he could not only win the hand, but also not show what hand he had himself..??
did you ever consider that this is a live stream and every single person there is going to be able to see what he had 2 hours later? just because he is a high stakes player doesnt mean his play here was good. any top pro and engine will second this.
@@mikeryan5856 BuT hE WoN ThE HaNd!! but yea seriously its amazing how many people in the comments "love" the river shove. worse than KJ is never calling, andy isnt betting that size with just an ace, he might even check A10, AJ back on the river. Martin essentially shoved over the top with a bluff catcher on the river.
I think Little's instinct is correct. Martin is attacking an overbet by Andy with Andy's AJ/AT flop gutter bet-reraises that now made top pair and bet large for value/transparency. And if Martin is against other rando bluffs it also works. it's kind of cray, but it is very Andy to flop spazz and now go for huge value on this river when he makes top pair. Had Andy had AJ/AT everyone would be lauding Martin's genius in full.
if andy had aj or a10 against martin specifically he'd be forced to call for that price. and after he sees this hand, even assuming martin's otherwise tight (from jungle's comment and andy's this appears to be the assumption), would have to call with say aj having to only call 104,600 to get into a pot of 648,500 (16% equity only, which i'd assume most of these high stakes guys is more than enough as they'd have enough bluffs)
@@kevinobrien479 Compare Martin to the killer is overkill, man. Martin in real life is peaceful as much as you can be. Czechs are very peaceful nation. Maybe he is annoying for somebody with his antics, but still to compare him with the killer, is too much. You are out of the line here.
"I never bleff" Also, playing on HCL has exposed Andy as a massive spewer. He looked very good during the LATB days but I guess it was a combination of rungood + even worse opposition.
Your op never never never shoves with only 100k more to call. That is the point. I think he wanted to call and thought if I get shown A9 off I will be gutted, I may aswell risk 100 more because you can't possibly not have it, plus he has a J, I personally love it, and have thought about this idea myself, I folded top pair once for only 40 more in a 400 pot because I knew the girl had it.
I actually hate the shove from Martin on the river. While it worked out for him here, literally no better hands would fold for such a small raise. Even a rivered ace would have trouble laying it down and I don’t think Andy would have if he had say ATcc. A call would Have accomplished the same outcome while risking 150k less
You're right except I don't think Andy is even value-betting just a one pair Ax type of hand given a) the action b) how deep they are. Andy either has something super strong or nothing and going all-in is dumb when Andy actually has a strong hand. Martin should have just called on the river.
@@Womenandwine exactly, he's turning a bluff catcher into a bluff (does have the j blocker to the j10) where it maybe only folds a small % of his opponent's betting range (unless we assume andy over pots all 1 pair of aces along with having played an ace this way pre-river in the first place)
Exactly. I was thinking risk/ reward is not there. He was risking 150k putting his opponents against corner if they had better hands like AK where they would be forced to call that.
Martin is basically using your logic on the flop that Andy should have a lot of *nutted* draws in his range, i.e. *a* *lot* of AcXc plus AJ and AT, in which case the check shove does make sense since he blocks a large amount of Andy's value like AK, KQ, KK, and JT. It's very much a case of know your villain because Andy is for sure the type to have these hands in his range, value bet light on the river and find the hero fold after a check shove.
Always find it funny when commentators think having flush blockers in a spot like this makes it a worse call when literally the opposite is true (as Andy isn't going to bluff w/ Kc/Jc so we unblock). Especially Jc since it blocks Andys nut combos. Guess he's worried Andy bluffs some Ax for some reason, shove surprises me though over a call. Unsure Martin would actually expect Andy to fold value.
yes I totally understand the point about flush blockers being bad bluff candidates (makes it less likely your opponent has a flush draw that they'll fold), but the raise from Martin was mysterious to me. What hands does Andy fold here that you're behind?
Wow.....Martin got a read on Andy. Probably put Andy on AK and turned his hand into a bluff. I think the flop/turn banter made all the difference. I learned something important on this hand which re-confirmed a poker lesson I learned over ten years ago.
No Andy just misplayed the river and was just going to bomb any river like a donkey. This is the wrong river to try and bluff. If Andy bets 150k on a blank river it gets through and Martin folds. Instead Andy is playing like your average 1-2 player in this hand and is going to bomb the river no matter what, even though it's a terrible card for him to bluff on. No insane live tell or read, just a read of the play.
The point is that the all in on the river was absolutely unnecessary. With the pot odds, there is nothing to be gained. Andi would only call with the top of his range and fold everything else. Therefore, there is nothing to be gained. Just calling at the end is the best option. You either bluff catch or you lose a smaller pot to the hand that would’ve called your all in.
Martin turn his Jc into a Bluff is brilliant, he knows a pair of King is too weak to just call there. Andy did a great job but unfortunately his opponent has the nut blocker. If Andy shoved the river first he would’ve take down the pot. If Martin thinks it through with his shove against Andy that was a very great play, unless he is a lunatic and play whatever😂Ps: of course it would’ve be much greater if Martin just Hero call here
He also fumbled some chips just before the nose touch. I don't feel like either of them were intentional, pretty sure Martin saw it because he called pretty quick after that.
Before going all crazy about live tells and soul reading, think about what actually happened. It's not like Martin has air, he has a K. If he really thought Andy was bluffing, he'd just call. Andy isn't potting river if he has just an A, he's likely checking back. So for Martin to shove, he has to think his K is no good and he's trying to get Andy to fold 2p+. In which case Martin doesn't think Andy is bluffing, he thinks he can get Andy to fold out most of his value hands. Also, when Andy 3-bets the flop, he's very rarely going to show up with J10. The only reasonable combo of J10 to 3-bet flop would be J10cc, and since Martin has the Jc he knows Andy can't have that, and thus very unlikely to be able to have the straight.
@@branchtana315 You're right Andy (at least how it looks to me) was representing sets, maybe 2 pair and the nut strait(which didn't really make sense and Martin blocked it with his J). I'm just wondering if Andy calls 2 pair there like AQ(sets he probably calls in my opinion if for nothing just because of the odds that he's getting). Andy played the hand very strangely
With that table talk after the hand it was 100% an insane read and I think just to not show his hand. Thats literally the only reason he would go all in haha
No, he went all-in because he thinks Andy is overbetting for value hands like sets and would fold to a jam when the very obvious straight comes in on the river.
I agree. Andy had an insane read. Snap folded on the River. He knew Martin had a marginal hand. Put on maximum pressure. But the guy's a lunatic who shoved all in. He can't call with worse .Nothing left to do.
@@richcheckmaker I'm not sure. Look at the odds Andy is getting on that all-in - it's only like $100k more to him - and Martin knows Andy is getting those great odds. I don't think Martin is expecting Andy to fold a set in this spot.
Quality from all concerned, both players, JL and commentator ( DGAF?). Not sure what could be gained by all in at the end though hopefully someone who knows the game better can explain.
Andy with one of the worst raises ever, his hand properties are awful and he also does it in half a second which he is never ever doing that fast with a monster. Absolutely awful
You forgot to mention what Andy actually had at the end of the video. What if Martin put him on that exact bluff & new where he was at. He plays tournament he understands how loose cash games can be. World class
Despite Martin being an absolute d*** on on poker tables, he is actually a true mathematical genius. He's on an absolutely different level than a lot of his opponents.
I wouldn’t have played the hand in the first place, and if I did I would have folded to the check raise on the flop. If, for some reason, I was in Andy’s position I would definitely bet the blank turn, and a big bet, aiming at trying to get a marginal King or a flush draw to fold.
How much less likely % wise does it make it for your opponent to be on a flush draw if you’re holding 1 club in your hand and there’s 2 clubs in the flop?
13 total clubs 11 vs 10 remaining if your opponent calls all suited cards ~9% less likely HOWEVER the reasonable player plays a range, so the club you have cuts out a portion of the range. If you have the Ace of clubs, that's probably half of the club draws your opponent has in a 3 bet pot. Much bigger difference.
It seems so inconsequential from an amateur player. 13 of each suit... big woopdy doo if you holding one of them... Pros make such a big deal out of it. This is hand is a perfect example they each had a Jack thinking that it's less likely that the other player has it, since there's only 4 Jacks in the deck, so they both ended up trying to represent a Jack 10, the only difference being that Martin has something and Andy's bets didn't make much sense.
@@MrAgmoore Andys bet had the right size to make most people fold but a lunatic. To skip the evaluation of Martin as a lunatic was the only mistake Andy did. Martin shows that lunatic behaviour in other hands.
Who said something along the lines of "If you show a bluff I'll quit poker" It was Andy was it but I can't be sure exactly what he said I could only hear clearly "if.... I'll quit poker". Theoretically, it was a bad bluff by Martin (mostly because of his stack which gave Andy huge odds, plus blocking flush draws) but he owned Andy really well and I believe Andy folds 2 pair there idk about a set (probably calls a set and the strait/nuts which Martin blocks with his J). Very weird hand
There is of course a lot of respect between the players because you can make such a play only if you think that ur opponent is capable of folding some of his value hands. Having said that, Martin it's just a genius player, a jam like that doesn't even come to the mind of a mid/winning player.
That jam comes to the mind of an idiot. No sense at all and nothing to win. If Andy is bluffing Martin wins anyway. If not Martin loses the all in in a stupid way.
@@johnsonequity1387He can fold out better though. He blocks the nuts. He blocks the third nuts. He blocks AK which is the 7th nuts, I think. Does Andy hero call here with A3cc? I doubt it!
His shove was for like 100k more. If Andy happens to have an Ace there, he's pretty much priced in to call due to the missed flush draw. Only stone cold bluffs fold in that spot. The shove did not make sense
DGAF asking at @10:36 if he is gonna see some world class poker and its almost like Martin heard him asking and kindly obliged. That is a world class shove from Martin
I just check give up on the turn after my opponent calls the three bet. I'm certainly not going to overbet a river that hits my opponents range. Big mistake not to give up on river by Andy.
basically, hes trying to fold out all of Andy's made hand that is not a straight. Which, given the situation and how less it is in comparison for Andy to call with, it is actually an insane but, effective bluff imo. Anything that is not the nuts there is going to have a hard time to call that extra 90k or something. The frequency of a bluff there in that spot is so low you just dont really see people do i ever. Well played on Martin's part.
this is an odd one, like j.little says, this only makes sense if somebody in martin's seat 1. thinks andy is overpotting river with a10 or aj (or maybe kj/k10) and 2. would fold those for another 104,600 getting awesome pot odds by that point (2 for sure is more likely i'd think, with some players 2 is quite likely if your image is good, jungle makes a comment where he either means or intends to mean that martin cannot have bluffs here, also andy has a comment where he thinks martin has to have the nuts here (j10), which makes sense that j10 is a large part of martin's range (should be anyway, IS for a LOT of humans), as most players wouldn't be taking front door hands like one pair of kings + nut blocker into river bluff for that small all in size)
also if martin DID want to turn kj into a river bluff, it'd be better if he over potted either bet or jammed anyway (not check raised like here), UNLESS andy is known to overbet pot thin value hands (1 pair aces here) then fold getting great price when he only needs to win 16% of the time. it's possible andy is like that, i don't know.
I’m checking the turn about 75 percent of the time. Typically if I bet turn I’m also betting river. Maybe 2/3’s of the time I’m betting river also when I bet turn. Clubs and board paired rivers are cards to not bluff on.
Martin's shove is an extremely under bluffed spot given the action from start to finish. Even with the great pot odds, I can see 2 pairs and sets folding. He has the KJcc, so he blocks TJcc which is a hand that would've played the same way. Also blocking KTcc & AJcc that Andy would play that way which isn't ideal for bluffing. Andy was repping QQ & KK with the flop 3bet and turn pot bet. AA with Ac would most likely call the raise on the flop and not increase the pot size oop. Martin felt that he can get QQ and KK to fold with that shove all things considered being an extremely under bluffed spot. It's almost a 0% bluff spot vs most opponents. Even at 10% bluff, Andy isn't getting the right pot odds to call with QQ and KK.
@detpoker i understand the point. but isnt the Jc a terrible card to have for martin? and would QQ or KK really fold? i mean andy only needs 14% equity or so and he would only lose to AA, JT and KK. and the flushdraw bricked and andy didnt block clubs.
@@grimreaper1366 Just being an extremely under bluffed spot given the pot odds. It's really hard to call with anything less than nuts and second nuts. Ranges got so narrow with the flop 3bet and call and b100% turn and call. It's like playing against a super nit and he raises river, you'd have to fold everything but nuts and second nuts. This spot is rarely ever a bluff given the all in raise size. Martin found the play with Jc which is very impressive because he blocks the nuts TJcc that would've possibly taken that line. The Jc is a good thing not a bad thing to bluff with.
Martin was blocking the J of clubs which is why he made that bluff at the end. He felt that Andy was bluffing or over value betting an ACE or two pairs and he wanted to represent a straight with his blocker. Risky move but it paid off
I understand the shove. He blocks basically the major draw that got here JTcc. He is going to get Andy to fold even hands as strong as Aces up bc it just screams JT for Martin. Beautiful poker.
Actually if Andy is semi bluffing with the J-10 on flop/turn he must have J-10 of clubs which Martin blocks, so I think having flush blockers helped him in his decision.
@@gigglesinside why do you face palm weirdo?… I’m saying the exact reason why he got called is because he SPECIFICALLY tried to bluff with that type of hand… 🤦🏻♂️ 🤦🏻♂️ 🤦🏻♂️
@GreasyNeilTyson Cause you need a face palm thick donkey! If he's barrelling J9 offsuit then JT doesn't need to be suited for him to barrell....weirdo
You can throw all strategies out the window and your logic when you're playing this type of $ game. Andy relies on bluffing and is very experienced in situations like this. He doesn't make the river play without that Ace hitting. On the other side give Martin a ton of credit and balls. He not only made a amazing read he jammed everything. Most players in this spot can't find a call and surrender with one pair. Martin has earned my respect regarding his poker play especially in tournaments and now big cash
It’s a good bluff. Having J club there is so important. Because Andy can’t have the combo draw. And it is very unlikely that Andy can play any JT without club like that. So technically only Martin can have JT there.
Couple of observations.... What does he represent with that Ace on the river---hitting the straight... but he was 4 betting like he had a non-drawing made hand, not broadway/flush drawing hand, plus Martin had them so they blocked that? Could he be rep'n AA maybe...not likely, although that would make sense.... but the quick bet on the flop after Martin's check was a bit too ansy.... followed by some nervous banter and an equally nervous giggle, made it double sus.....then another "all-too" quick 4 bet without any thought, (If he had something like a set, he might try to act a bit weaker)....two big overbets..... all this equals to Andy looking like he was about to cry after Martin went all in.... heck of a play by Martin. He's not all talk!
I was Andy, at the turn, I would check/call and if no Club hit or board pair I would check/all-in. And I would not talk to Martin at all. I wouldn't even verbalize my bets.
yeah to me it makes perfect sense, its either complete air or A10. You can't win from A10 so you need to shove. Also the betting pattern from Andy lets me to believe this is not QQ and certainly not KK which you block. Martin blocks the flush which leaves opp with less bluffs but what does he have then, two pair? Maybe but again you have a blocker and might very well get him of that hand because you then have all the straights. it really is only A10 or air so shove is the only move. really well played. Hats off
On the turn, I’d bet small. If called I’d bomb the river, if raised on the turn I’d just let it go. I only play 1/2 or 1/3 and the play would be a lot more profitable down there Than in games like this
Just seen the river and that crazy 150 bet and paused. Now it looks like Andy has been representing pocket rockets this this whole time or at least big slick. Just my take on things
Worst all in ever you’re not getting called by worse hands and you’re already beating bluffs and his stack is not even big to get folds from a pair of aces
I don't know if Andy calls with anything here. Martin would have to be crazy to shove anything but the nuts here. I'm tempted to call it a genius play.
Here is your answer. His read is bluff (he also comments it after) AND doesn't want to show his hand = shove, not called, muck cards everyone then is left speculating (which is also exactly what happens right after)... Pretty simple really. Just because you're strong read is catching a bluff doesn't always mean it's just a call I've done this a lot just to not show my hand (mostly to maintain a very tight image and then then the table speculation is always he's got the nuts and then I just nod and move on). Chips AND information are ammo at the table (table image too)
He must think his range is made up of enough Ax clubs + bluffs. Let's look at it: 1 combo of KK, 3 QQ, 3 x TJS, 8 Ax clubs, 3xT9c could all play the hand as it did + some random bluffs. Maybe AK, so let's add 3/6 combos in there. 10 hands never fold, all busted club draws fold, including Ax c. How many random bluffs does Andy need to have to make this play profitable for Martin?
of course martin's bluff catcher turned into a bluff is awesome if andy would ever fold 2 pair+ to this small river raise, but i doubt anybody is folding those hands to these high stakes guys (they have bluffs obviously, only having to win 16% of the time on the river in andy's shoes)
what's funny is that most humans wouldn't say bet this way on river (overpot) with say a10, aj etc, but against martin it sure looks like a great idea. you look polar but really are linear with one pair ace but if your opponents are just going to give you awesome pot odds and turn 2nd pair/nut blocker (j) into a bluff with an awesome price you'll clean up.
So… basically nothing to learn from this… Martin pushing all-in there worked in this case, but he loses everything in most cases the way the hand was played. Also, you liked the way Andy played after the turn …and yet, it cost him a huge amount of his stack. Weird / awesome game!
I think Andy was repping KK, QQ, JTs with his preflop/Flop/turn betting lines he took. With the river A completing a straight, andy's sets might bet more on the 75%pot side as it isnt as nutted as before. the 120%pot is straight or air which is an okay try since Andy blocks JT. I think Martin made the call oops i mean raise lol cuz unfortunately he also had a J to block the straight. I think Martin Folds if andy just bet out 75% to rep a set.
If you think that liking someone’s play is a problem because the result was bad, you’re not just bad at poker, you fundamentally don’t understand how money is made in the game
I think A9 or A8 folds and saves the 100k, A10 is harder to fold blocking nuts but I personally love this shove, who shoves for 100 more after calling all streets and doesn't have you beat. He is lucky it was J9 not J10.
Yeah Andy is here for making money, not to have fun at all. He is kind of a boring character I dont remember any kind of joke or easy going moment from him, he is just greedy and focuses on his profit without having any chill/fun moment. Also when he is laughing, that is still looks so artificial.
Martin's play is bad imo because any of Andy's value range (AK, AA, AK) will not fold to that price, specially when there are 2 clubs on the board. I bet Martin had the feeling that Andy's hand is not that strong but at the same he didn't want to make a call with 2nd pair. So he just shoved.
What's interesting for me to think about is: 1) What would have happened if the river was a brick, and Andy bet 150k, and 2) What would Andy have done in response to the shove if he had paired an A on the river? As for me, I would never play EITHER SIDE of this -- except against someone who I knew couldn't take the pressure. I would never play either side of this against either one of these guys, lol.
@@Bg-it8tg martin aint calling the river. andy can still easily rep 77 or KQ with a pot bet to get Kx or Qx to call vs busted flushes and straights. Martin got blessed Andy was having a go at the wrong time. happens.
I usually hate watching Martin. You can compete at any level without being an ahole, and he fails that test routinely. In this hand, crunching the ranges and combos was of course something Martin did, but I think his surprising shove was due to an additional factor. Some of us would apply that additional factor at a gut level of "I saw a tell, and I'm going to trust my gut on it" and call. Others would (insanely, if you ask me) shove the extra 104K "to avoid having to show". I can guarantee you, that was not Martin's reasoning. I think he simply saw the chip-fumbling tell that Andy was weak, and spent some time deciding which hands Andy would fumble chips with. Then figured out whether a shove would have enough fold equity against enough of them, to justify a shove. Especially any nut flush draw which ended up with only the spiked ace. Then he had to weigh the chance that his king was a winner, and the extremely high chance that nothing he beats would pay him off, and also the small chance that a spiked ace would make a hero call. His perceived EV for shove vs call vs fold, may have all been close, and it sure looks like at least two of them were close in his mind. Bottom line, I think he decided that spiking an ace was pretty solidly in the range of hands Andy would be nervous enough about betting, to fumble chips almost as often as with a stone cold bluff. When Andy fumbled the chips because he was planning to bluff with nothing, he needed to realize that it would reduce the fold equity of his bluff. But he was desperate to reverse the bleeding, so bluffed anyway. Pretty terrible play, regardless of it otherwise being a "good hand to bluff with" in that spot. The fumble turned a marginal and ambitious bluffing spot, into a "can't bluff if I give him credit for noticing" spot. I've seen people with the nuts fake a fumbling tell, and it very rarely fools me, unless I only caught the end of it. If I was watching the whole thing, which I normally do, I can't recall ever being fooled by an intentional fumbling reverse tell. I've been fooled by a coincidental fumble not caused by nervousness or hand strength, but that doesn't make tell analysis any less accurate than any other kind of analysis.
He puts andy on ace x of clubs, and was trying to make him fold the ace. The problem is that andy doesn’t to 150k if he missed the clubs but catch random ace. Too risky when martin called three streets. 90 percent of the time he is going to be snapped by straight or sets.
i prefer a river sizing of 80K. Since if he really had good hands in that scenario, Like AK for example. he also wanted to be able to get called by hands like low 2 pairs. Therefor he wouldnt use this sizing.
shoving the river to represent the nuts for table-image probably. He seemed certain that he already won and he continued to claim he had the straight after the hand was over.
Andy might have Ax as busted but flushdraw, the line for pro-player would make sense, to bomb all the street. On the river, Andy isn't betting 150k value for AK or AQ, only sets. Martin blocks KKK set. Martin blocks JT suited. There are like 98s 54s, Ax suited combos which would play that line. JToff is not probable. Martin actually is a sick player after this hand. He must get A to fold, and hand like AT or any Ax folded. No reason to put another 100k in the middle, when should 100% lose. Amazing play and reading the situation by that most annoying thing ever on this planet.
Great shove by Martin on the river!!! He is trying to represent JT n fold out AX if Andy has it.. Instead of calling n lose to AX, Martin choose to shove n oni losing to JT the nuts.. Great play by Martin!!!
he went all in because he knew Andy was bluffing but didnt want to show his hand so went all in to get the fold from andy and not have to show, good tactic
I would have bet around 25. You've him curious already and you've bet so much. To me it seems like Martin is not very comfortable in his hand before the turn. I would have been blasting from the flip or reraising those 20k bets
Do YOU enjoy watching Martin Kabrhel play poker?
Yes
It's a love/hate thing. First he annoyed the heck out of me, but now i like to watch him tilt players with his comments.
I like to watch him but would hate to play against him.
Big brass balls
No
No, and for a similar reason I never cared for Kassouf, it can be entertaining I guess but that’s if you only like seeing five hands an hour.
To me it seemed like he was fairly certain Andy was bluffing, but in the off-chance he caught an Ace on the river, he would fold it. Amazing play, I would have likely folded my king.
A few live-factors that I saw that maybe in-context Martin picked up on to believe he was still ahead/Andy's bluffing. They don't 100% mean bluff, but they do polarize the possibilities even more than the overbet I'd think:
1. Andy's talking before the hand about being stuck A LOT already, so he may fight harder for pots he's not nutted on.
2. Andy checks his card suits for the first time on the river. Which is fine to check if you may unblock Clubs, but after leading all the action before, that seems a bit weird as you'd expect he'd have checked earlier in the hand for that. To first check now can seem like you're only looking at what you block or can represent, not what you actually have.
3. Andy's chip fumbling before betting 150k, especially combined with #1, seems a bit too weak. For someone as accustomed to these stakes as Andy to be acting that nervous/tilted throughout the hand really sticks out.
I noticed the chip fumbling too, he also touched his face right after that. I saw a lot of weakness in just that short period, coupled with being mega-stuck. Brilliant call by Martin.
Chip fumbling is a know false read to represent weakness. While wanting a call I'll sometimes randomly knock a stack over when opponent isn't directly looking but will notice.
well said
The nervous chip fumbling just looked awful and I play online... I let out a huge fart when I saw Andy's 150 K final bet. I play 2 NL & 5 NL.
When you touch your face it indicates a release of stress. Most of the time from the upper eye brow area. 4-5 times it’s a bluff. Andy does this twice on the river.
Martin knows things we dont know thats why he got 12M life winning 😂😂😂😂
I LOVE what you did with Martin’s face.😂 if his face matched his personality and speech, it would look exactly like that. 1:12
I hate trolls… I absolutely… DESPISE! trolls… but I can’t stop watching!!!! 😂
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Andy was fumbling his chips cause he was nervous. Live reads still work new school players.
I was thinking that too. It took him forever to bet the river. When u got it, you normally throw a bunch of chips out there and let the dealer count it.
Blockers are very overrated these days
Andy has to max polarise if he wants to bluff river credibly. 150k leaves the door open to Ac + Jc/Tc calling down too frequently, and he doesn't block any of that. The overbet shove is "only" 2x pot. I actually think the sizing he chose makes the least sense because he would go smaller with weaker value hands like 2 pair if he was even going to bet those. I think this is what Martin has picked up on.
Yeah, river should be 3/4 or jam
But I think if Andy goes smaller Martin will still bluff shove. All in or check would have been best imo.
@@77oregano77
You can't jam your sets on this river, only JT or bluffs.
You need 2 sites here : one for JT /Bluffs
And one for sets/Bluffs
Did anyone ever consider that some of the guys that play at the highest level like martin have a prodigious ability to read human emotion. Did anyone consider that Martin was about 99 percent sure andy was bluffing and by going all in himself he could not only win the hand, but also not show what hand he had himself..??
did you ever consider that this is a live stream and every single person there is going to be able to see what he had 2 hours later? just because he is a high stakes player doesnt mean his play here was good. any top pro and engine will second this.
@@mikeryan5856 BuT hE WoN ThE HaNd!! but yea seriously its amazing how many people in the comments "love" the river shove. worse than KJ is never calling, andy isnt betting that size with just an ace, he might even check A10, AJ back on the river. Martin essentially shoved over the top with a bluff catcher on the river.
I think Little's instinct is correct. Martin is attacking an overbet by Andy with Andy's AJ/AT flop gutter bet-reraises that now made top pair and bet large for value/transparency. And if Martin is against other rando bluffs it also works. it's kind of cray, but it is very Andy to flop spazz and now go for huge value on this river when he makes top pair. Had Andy had AJ/AT everyone would be lauding Martin's genius in full.
if andy had aj or a10 against martin specifically he'd be forced to call for that price. and after he sees this hand, even assuming martin's otherwise tight (from jungle's comment and andy's this appears to be the assumption), would have to call with say aj having to only call 104,600 to get into a pot of 648,500 (16% equity only, which i'd assume most of these high stakes guys is more than enough as they'd have enough bluffs)
Say what you will about Martin . But his instincts are on point . Great player
Oj Simpson was a great football player as well. You guys are losers for supporting this guy.
@@kevinobrien479 Compare Martin to the killer is overkill, man. Martin in real life is peaceful as much as you can be. Czechs are very peaceful nation. Maybe he is annoying for somebody with his antics, but still to compare him with the killer, is too much. You are out of the line here.
I like watching Martin play. A couple years ago I didn’t care for him but he is growing on me.
Fungi do that
Same. He's fkng hilarious now, and he's really never OOL, he just sticks up for himself, speaks his mind, and can be annoying. Lol
You like people who are low class such as yourself
"I never bleff"
Also, playing on HCL has exposed Andy as a massive spewer. He looked very good during the LATB days but I guess it was a combination of rungood + even worse opposition.
He is still a winning player according to their tracker, but not by a ton.
Have played with him at lower stakes and honestly don't think he's a winning player
Stacks tried, but he can't fill GR's shoes.
@@chadharris705you saying that with a straight face?
Your op never never never shoves with only 100k more to call. That is the point. I think he wanted to call and thought if I get shown A9 off I will be gutted, I may aswell risk 100 more because you can't possibly not have it, plus he has a J, I personally love it, and have thought about this idea myself, I folded top pair once for only 40 more in a 400 pot because I knew the girl had it.
I actually hate the shove from Martin on the river. While it worked out for him here, literally no better hands would fold for such a small raise. Even a rivered ace would have trouble laying it down and I don’t think Andy would have if he had say ATcc. A call would
Have accomplished the same outcome while risking 150k less
Andy 4b on the flop, pot on turn and overbet on the river and you think a would still call?
You're right except I don't think Andy is even value-betting just a one pair Ax type of hand given a) the action b) how deep they are. Andy either has something super strong or nothing and going all-in is dumb when Andy actually has a strong hand. Martin should have just called on the river.
He would be getting too big of odds to fold. He would have to call. Especially against Martin.
@@Womenandwine exactly, he's turning a bluff catcher into a bluff (does have the j blocker to the j10) where it maybe only folds a small % of his opponent's betting range (unless we assume andy over pots all 1 pair of aces along with having played an ace this way pre-river in the first place)
Exactly. I was thinking risk/ reward is not there. He was risking 150k putting his opponents against corner if they had better hands like AK where they would be forced to call that.
Martin is basically using your logic on the flop that Andy should have a lot of *nutted* draws in his range, i.e. *a* *lot* of AcXc plus AJ and AT, in which case the check shove does make sense since he blocks a large amount of Andy's value like AK, KQ, KK, and JT. It's very much a case of know your villain because Andy is for sure the type to have these hands in his range, value bet light on the river and find the hero fold after a check shove.
Totally agree with this statement
Always find it funny when commentators think having flush blockers in a spot like this makes it a worse call when literally the opposite is true (as Andy isn't going to bluff w/ Kc/Jc so we unblock). Especially Jc since it blocks Andys nut combos. Guess he's worried Andy bluffs some Ax for some reason, shove surprises me though over a call. Unsure Martin would actually expect Andy to fold value.
yes I totally understand the point about flush blockers being bad bluff candidates (makes it less likely your opponent has a flush draw that they'll fold), but the raise from Martin was mysterious to me. What hands does Andy fold here that you're behind?
Andy’s Face when Martin went all in….😮
Never saw his face when he went all in. Only saw Rampage face.
That's crazy, going allin on the river for $100K more🤦♂️, why not call the $150K and save the other $100K if Andy have better hand.🤔. WTF
Wow.....Martin got a read on Andy. Probably put Andy on AK and turned his hand into a bluff. I think the flop/turn banter made all the difference. I learned something important on this hand which re-confirmed a poker lesson I learned over ten years ago.
What's the lesson?
No Andy just misplayed the river and was just going to bomb any river like a donkey. This is the wrong river to try and bluff. If Andy bets 150k on a blank river it gets through and Martin folds. Instead Andy is playing like your average 1-2 player in this hand and is going to bomb the river no matter what, even though it's a terrible card for him to bluff on. No insane live tell or read, just a read of the play.
Also no he did not put Andy on AK a one pair hand that 3 bet the flop then pots the turn and overbets the river. Martin 0% chance put Andy on AK.
Martin put Andy on dogshit.
@@richcheckmaker Have you watched these guys play before? Of course Andy can have AK....along with a bunch of other hands.
I would check/check, especially in position. He called the 3-bet so fold equity is almost 0% on the turn. I'd take my free river and be fine ith it.
The point is that the all in on the river was absolutely unnecessary. With the pot odds, there is nothing to be gained. Andi would only call with the top of his range and fold everything else. Therefore, there is nothing to be gained. Just calling at the end is the best option. You either bluff catch or you lose a smaller pot to the hand that would’ve called your all in.
Martin turn his Jc into a Bluff is brilliant, he knows a pair of King is too weak to just call there. Andy did a great job but unfortunately his opponent has the nut blocker. If Andy shoved the river first he would’ve take down the pot. If Martin thinks it through with his shove against Andy that was a very great play, unless he is a lunatic and play whatever😂Ps: of course it would’ve be much greater if Martin just Hero call here
Genius play. Wait 45 seconds and watch your opponent. Andy looks calm then his pulse changes and he scratches his nose. Martin sees it n shoves
He also fumbled some chips just before the nose touch. I don't feel like either of them were intentional, pretty sure Martin saw it because he called pretty quick after that.
@@coolvanilla300c9he didn't call, he moved all in.
Genius play???. Lunatic play.
Before going all crazy about live tells and soul reading, think about what actually happened. It's not like Martin has air, he has a K. If he really thought Andy was bluffing, he'd just call. Andy isn't potting river if he has just an A, he's likely checking back. So for Martin to shove, he has to think his K is no good and he's trying to get Andy to fold 2p+. In which case Martin doesn't think Andy is bluffing, he thinks he can get Andy to fold out most of his value hands.
Also, when Andy 3-bets the flop, he's very rarely going to show up with J10. The only reasonable combo of J10 to 3-bet flop would be J10cc, and since Martin has the Jc he knows Andy can't have that, and thus very unlikely to be able to have the straight.
@@branchtana315 You're right Andy (at least how it looks to me) was representing sets, maybe 2 pair and the nut strait(which didn't really make sense and Martin blocked it with his J). I'm just wondering if Andy calls 2 pair there like AQ(sets he probably calls in my opinion if for nothing just because of the odds that he's getting). Andy played the hand very strangely
With that table talk after the hand it was 100% an insane read and I think just to not show his hand. Thats literally the only reason he would go all in haha
No, he went all-in because he thinks Andy is overbetting for value hands like sets and would fold to a jam when the very obvious straight comes in on the river.
I agree. Andy had an insane read. Snap folded on the River.
He knew Martin had a marginal hand. Put on maximum pressure. But the guy's a lunatic who shoved all in. He can't call with worse .Nothing left to do.
@@richcheckmaker I'm not sure. Look at the odds Andy is getting on that all-in - it's only like $100k more to him - and Martin knows Andy is getting those great odds. I don't think Martin is expecting Andy to fold a set in this spot.
Or Andy was tilting and Martin knew it
calling with a pair on the river after getting 3bet on the flop while blocking the flush draw is fucking stupid
Quality from all concerned, both players, JL and commentator ( DGAF?). Not sure what could be gained by all in at the end though hopefully someone who knows the game better can explain.
Andy with one of the worst raises ever, his hand properties are awful and he also does it in half a second which he is never ever doing that fast with a monster. Absolutely awful
You forgot to mention what Andy actually had at the end of the video. What if Martin put him on that exact bluff & new where he was at. He plays tournament he understands how loose cash games can be. World class
The mn why would he shove lol
Nobody puts someone on an exact bluff noob plus that makes no sense
World class to risk more money to get the same result???.
Despite Martin being an absolute d*** on on poker tables, he is actually a true mathematical genius. He's on an absolutely different level than a lot of his opponents.
True nobody on this table was on his level thats why they all pack bags when he come to play next day
Hi martin
This is 100% a bet where Martin picks up on a live tell from Andy, and decides to act on it. Math doesn't explain this move.
I wouldn’t have played the hand in the first place, and if I did I would have folded to the check raise on the flop. If, for some reason, I was in Andy’s position I would definitely bet the blank turn, and a big bet, aiming at trying to get a marginal King or a flush draw to fold.
How much less likely % wise does it make it for your opponent to be on a flush draw if you’re holding 1 club in your hand and there’s 2 clubs in the flop?
13 total clubs
11 vs 10 remaining
if your opponent calls all suited cards ~9% less likely
HOWEVER the reasonable player plays a range, so the club you have cuts out a portion of the range. If you have the Ace of clubs, that's probably half of the club draws your opponent has in a 3 bet pot. Much bigger difference.
@@seancartwright8291 Thank you. Luckily the ranges of the players I play against are capped between extra nitty and ultra nitty
It seems so inconsequential from an amateur player. 13 of each suit... big woopdy doo if you holding one of them... Pros make such a big deal out of it. This is hand is a perfect example they each had a Jack thinking that it's less likely that the other player has it, since there's only 4 Jacks in the deck, so they both ended up trying to represent a Jack 10, the only difference being that Martin has something and Andy's bets didn't make much sense.
@@MrAgmoore Andys bet had the right size to make most people fold but a lunatic. To skip the evaluation of Martin as a lunatic was the only mistake Andy did.
Martin shows that lunatic behaviour in other hands.
Who said something along the lines of "If you show a bluff I'll quit poker" It was Andy was it but I can't be sure exactly what he said I could only hear clearly "if.... I'll quit poker". Theoretically, it was a bad bluff by Martin (mostly because of his stack which gave Andy huge odds, plus blocking flush draws) but he owned Andy really well and I believe Andy folds 2 pair there idk about a set (probably calls a set and the strait/nuts which Martin blocks with his J). Very weird hand
There is of course a lot of respect between the players because you can make such a play only if you think that ur opponent is capable of folding some of his value hands.
Having said that, Martin it's just a genius player, a jam like that doesn't even come to the mind of a mid/winning player.
That jam comes to the mind of an idiot.
No sense at all and nothing to win.
If Andy is bluffing Martin wins anyway.
If not Martin loses the all in in a stupid way.
Just calling is the right move.
The rest is overthinking from an idiot and the idiot fan.
@@johnsonequity1387He can fold out better though. He blocks the nuts. He blocks the third nuts. He blocks AK which is the 7th nuts, I think. Does Andy hero call here with A3cc? I doubt it!
Agreed.
His shove was for like 100k more. If Andy happens to have an Ace there, he's pretty much priced in to call due to the missed flush draw. Only stone cold bluffs fold in that spot. The shove did not make sense
DGAF asking at @10:36 if he is gonna see some world class poker and its almost like Martin heard him asking and kindly obliged. That is a world class shove from Martin
Love Rampage's face after Martin shoves!!
I just check give up on the turn after my opponent calls the three bet. I'm certainly not going to overbet a river that hits my opponents range. Big mistake not to give up on river by Andy.
basically, hes trying to fold out all of Andy's made hand that is not a straight. Which, given the situation and how less it is in comparison for Andy to call with, it is actually an insane but, effective bluff imo. Anything that is not the nuts there is going to have a hard time to call that extra 90k or something. The frequency of a bluff there in that spot is so low you just dont really see people do i ever. Well played on Martin's part.
Andy was not folding; he was getting 5 to 1.
Andy is calling w/ 777, AQ, Ax, KQ w/ the A on river.
this is an odd one, like j.little says, this only makes sense if somebody in martin's seat 1. thinks andy is overpotting river with a10 or aj (or maybe kj/k10) and 2. would fold those for another 104,600 getting awesome pot odds by that point (2 for sure is more likely i'd think, with some players 2 is quite likely if your image is good, jungle makes a comment where he either means or intends to mean that martin cannot have bluffs here, also andy has a comment where he thinks martin has to have the nuts here (j10), which makes sense that j10 is a large part of martin's range (should be anyway, IS for a LOT of humans), as most players wouldn't be taking front door hands like one pair of kings + nut blocker into river bluff for that small all in size)
also if martin DID want to turn kj into a river bluff, it'd be better if he over potted either bet or jammed anyway (not check raised like here), UNLESS andy is known to overbet pot thin value hands (1 pair aces here) then fold getting great price when he only needs to win 16% of the time. it's possible andy is like that, i don't know.
I’m checking the turn about 75 percent of the time. Typically if I bet turn I’m also betting river. Maybe 2/3’s of the time I’m betting river also when I bet turn. Clubs and board paired rivers are cards to not bluff on.
Oh Andy had position. Changes things some. I like i higher turn bet frequency with position
Yep. Love the big bet on the river.
I like more around 2/3’s pot for Andy. Pretty wild all in on the end. I don’t think I’d find that play from Martin
he's betting the turn to rep a range. if he checks and martin bets, he has to fold.
Martin's shove is an extremely under bluffed spot given the action from start to finish. Even with the great pot odds, I can see 2 pairs and sets folding. He has the KJcc, so he blocks TJcc which is a hand that would've played the same way. Also blocking KTcc & AJcc that Andy would play that way which isn't ideal for bluffing. Andy was repping QQ & KK with the flop 3bet and turn pot bet. AA with Ac would most likely call the raise on the flop and not increase the pot size oop. Martin felt that he can get QQ and KK to fold with that shove all things considered being an extremely under bluffed spot. It's almost a 0% bluff spot vs most opponents. Even at 10% bluff, Andy isn't getting the right pot odds to call with QQ and KK.
@detpoker i understand the point. but isnt the Jc a terrible card to have for martin? and would QQ or KK really fold? i mean andy only needs 14% equity or so and he would only lose to AA, JT and KK. and the flushdraw bricked and andy didnt block clubs.
@@grimreaper1366 Just being an extremely under bluffed spot given the pot odds. It's really hard to call with anything less than nuts and second nuts. Ranges got so narrow with the flop 3bet and call and b100% turn and call. It's like playing against a super nit and he raises river, you'd have to fold everything but nuts and second nuts. This spot is rarely ever a bluff given the all in raise size. Martin found the play with Jc which is very impressive because he blocks the nuts TJcc that would've possibly taken that line. The Jc is a good thing not a bad thing to bluff with.
Martin was blocking the J of clubs which is why he made that bluff at the end. He felt that Andy was bluffing or over value betting an ACE or two pairs and he wanted to represent a straight with his blocker. Risky move but it paid off
I understand the shove. He blocks basically the major draw that got here JTcc. He is going to get Andy to fold even hands as strong as Aces up bc it just screams JT for Martin. Beautiful poker.
Actually if Andy is semi bluffing with the J-10 on flop/turn he must have J-10 of clubs which Martin blocks, so I think having flush blockers helped him in his decision.
Not true...he had J9o so why can't he have JTo? 🤷🏻♂️
@@gigglesinside because he wouldn’t have bet flop and turn without redraw to the flush.
Except he did with J9o so of course he would 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
@@gigglesinside why do you face palm weirdo?… I’m saying the exact reason why he got called is because he SPECIFICALLY tried to bluff with that type of hand… 🤦🏻♂️ 🤦🏻♂️ 🤦🏻♂️
@GreasyNeilTyson Cause you need a face palm thick donkey!
If he's barrelling J9 offsuit then JT doesn't need to be suited for him to barrell....weirdo
You can throw all strategies out the window and your logic when you're playing this type of $ game. Andy relies on bluffing and is very experienced in situations like this. He doesn't make the river play without that Ace hitting. On the other side give Martin a ton of credit and balls. He not only made a amazing read he jammed everything. Most players in this spot can't find a call and surrender with one pair. Martin has earned my respect regarding his poker play especially in tournaments and now big cash
It’s a good bluff. Having J club there is so important. Because Andy can’t have the combo draw. And it is very unlikely that Andy can play any JT without club like that. So technically only Martin can have JT there.
I love this play he realizes that he couldn’t have the straight, then goes for it with the all and then needles him really bad at the end of it.
Couple of observations.... What does he represent with that Ace on the river---hitting the straight... but he was 4 betting like he had a non-drawing made hand, not broadway/flush drawing hand, plus Martin had them so they blocked that? Could he be rep'n AA maybe...not likely, although that would make sense.... but the quick bet on the flop after Martin's check was a bit too ansy.... followed by some nervous banter and an equally nervous giggle, made it double sus.....then another "all-too" quick 4 bet without any thought, (If he had something like a set, he might try to act a bit weaker)....two big overbets..... all this equals to Andy looking like he was about to cry after Martin went all in.... heck of a play by Martin. He's not all talk!
That ALL IN was amazing bro!!!!
I was Andy, at the turn, I would check/call and if no Club hit or board pair I would check/all-in. And I would not talk to Martin at all. I wouldn't even verbalize my bets.
yeah to me it makes perfect sense, its either complete air or A10. You can't win from A10 so you need to shove. Also the betting pattern from Andy lets me to believe this is not QQ and certainly not KK which you block. Martin blocks the flush which leaves opp with less bluffs but what does he have then, two pair? Maybe but again you have a blocker and might very well get him of that hand because you then have all the straights. it really is only A10 or air so shove is the only move. really well played. Hats off
On the turn, I’d bet small. If called I’d bomb the river, if raised on the turn I’d just let it go. I only play 1/2 or 1/3 and the play would be a lot more profitable down there Than in games like this
Shoves in case he has small A-X of clubs and turns it into a bluff?
Complete D swinging contest. But it also depends on how well Martin knows Andy's style of play
Just seen the river and that crazy 150 bet and paused. Now it looks like Andy has been representing pocket rockets this this whole time or at least big slick. Just my take on things
Worst all in ever you’re not getting called by worse hands and you’re already beating bluffs and his stack is not even big to get folds from a pair of aces
Makes sense..A10 might sigh fold.. but idk if that bets 150k on river
Thats why you work for a salary and never made money playing poker mr specialist :) good luck in life
I don't know if Andy calls with anything here. Martin would have to be crazy to shove anything but the nuts here. I'm tempted to call it a genius play.
Here is your answer. His read is bluff (he also comments it after) AND doesn't want to show his hand = shove, not called, muck cards everyone then is left speculating (which is also exactly what happens right after)... Pretty simple really. Just because you're strong read is catching a bluff doesn't always mean it's just a call I've done this a lot just to not show my hand (mostly to maintain a very tight image and then then the table speculation is always he's got the nuts and then I just nod and move on). Chips AND information are ammo at the table (table image too)
@@spanky3494 This is a televised show. They can see his hand in 2 hours. So that makes no sense
What would I do?
I would overbluff and get stacked
He must think his range is made up of enough Ax clubs + bluffs. Let's look at it: 1 combo of KK, 3 QQ, 3 x TJS, 8 Ax clubs, 3xT9c could all play the hand as it did + some random bluffs. Maybe AK, so let's add 3/6 combos in there.
10 hands never fold, all busted club draws fold, including Ax c. How many random bluffs does Andy need to have to make this play profitable for Martin?
I think too many people are thinking Andy bets the river with just an Ax hand. I don't think he does, it makes Martin's all-in that much more stupid.
If Martin peeks up he would see Andy's discomfort. But I haven't seen enough if Andy's games to truly call his actions as such
Looks like andy have a ego problem
of course martin's bluff catcher turned into a bluff is awesome if andy would ever fold 2 pair+ to this small river raise, but i doubt anybody is folding those hands to these high stakes guys (they have bluffs obviously, only having to win 16% of the time on the river in andy's shoes)
what's funny is that most humans wouldn't say bet this way on river (overpot) with say a10, aj etc, but against martin it sure looks like a great idea. you look polar but really are linear with one pair ace but if your opponents are just going to give you awesome pot odds and turn 2nd pair/nut blocker (j) into a bluff with an awesome price you'll clean up.
Martin is so entertaining to watch.
No he isn't get some god dam class
@@kevinobrien479 hey bud, not everyone is the same personality. It's okay for us to enjoy different things, lighten up, buttercup! 😉
I think if Andy had a hand worthy of a call, he does but Martin knew Andy was full of shit. Live him or hate him, the guy's got game!
Yeah he got game
So… basically nothing to learn from this…
Martin pushing all-in there worked in this case, but he loses everything in most cases the way the hand was played. Also, you liked the way Andy played after the turn …and yet, it cost him a huge amount of his stack.
Weird / awesome game!
are you kidding? this was most expirienced 2000iq soulread ive ever seen , noone even close to this guy
I think Andy was repping KK, QQ, JTs with his preflop/Flop/turn betting lines he took. With the river A completing a straight, andy's sets might bet more on the 75%pot side as it isnt as nutted as before. the 120%pot is straight or air which is an okay try since Andy blocks JT. I think Martin made the call oops i mean raise lol cuz unfortunately he also had a J to block the straight. I think Martin Folds if andy just bet out 75% to rep a set.
If you think that liking someone’s play is a problem because the result was bad, you’re not just bad at poker, you fundamentally don’t understand how money is made in the game
@@wills6487 Martin understands frequencies , this guy has no clue
If Andy is 3betting the flop with J9o then this play is fine lol.
Obviously I can see the cards…but when Andy announced 42 and continued to talk…he really appeared weak.
Wonder if anyone else felt that as well???
I think A9 or A8 folds and saves the 100k, A10 is harder to fold blocking nuts but I personally love this shove, who shoves for 100 more after calling all streets and doesn't have you beat. He is lucky it was J9 not J10.
There is no sense in Martin's all in.
If Andy has just an A he is going to call for just +100k.
Will he ?
Will you ?
Andy should have just went ALL IN
No. A lunatic calls anyway.
This is the reason Andy and gang didn’t allow Martin to play the next day. Andy can’t beat Martin heads up. Only Mikki can handle Martin
Yeah Andy is here for making money, not to have fun at all. He is kind of a boring character I dont remember any kind of joke or easy going moment from him, he is just greedy and focuses on his profit without having any chill/fun moment. Also when he is laughing, that is still looks so artificial.
Martin's play is bad imo because any of Andy's value range (AK, AA, AK) will not fold to that price, specially when there are 2 clubs on the board. I bet Martin had the feeling that Andy's hand is not that strong but at the same he didn't want to make a call with 2nd pair. So he just shoved.
What's interesting for me to think about is: 1) What would have happened if the river was a brick, and Andy bet 150k, and 2) What would Andy have done in response to the shove if he had paired an A on the river? As for me, I would never play EITHER SIDE of this -- except against someone who I knew couldn't take the pressure. I would never play either side of this against either one of these guys, lol.
the shove wouldnt have happened on a brick, martin wouldve called
@@Bg-it8tg I agree.
@@Bg-it8tg martin aint calling the river. andy can still easily rep 77 or KQ with a pot bet to get Kx or Qx to call vs busted flushes and straights. Martin got blessed Andy was having a go at the wrong time. happens.
I would make it like 60k on the river personally. Represent the ace, doesn't look like a bluff and puts Martin in an even tougher spot imo
Is that Jungle pressuring Andy to land him 100k in the beginning?
I usually hate watching Martin. You can compete at any level without being an ahole, and he fails that test routinely.
In this hand, crunching the ranges and combos was of course something Martin did, but I think his surprising shove was due to an additional factor. Some of us would apply that additional factor at a gut level of "I saw a tell, and I'm going to trust my gut on it" and call. Others would (insanely, if you ask me) shove the extra 104K "to avoid having to show". I can guarantee you, that was not Martin's reasoning.
I think he simply saw the chip-fumbling tell that Andy was weak, and spent some time deciding which hands Andy would fumble chips with. Then figured out whether a shove would have enough fold equity against enough of them, to justify a shove. Especially any nut flush draw which ended up with only the spiked ace.
Then he had to weigh the chance that his king was a winner, and the extremely high chance that nothing he beats would pay him off, and also the small chance that a spiked ace would make a hero call.
His perceived EV for shove vs call vs fold, may have all been close, and it sure looks like at least two of them were close in his mind.
Bottom line, I think he decided that spiking an ace was pretty solidly in the range of hands Andy would be nervous enough about betting, to fumble chips almost as often as with a stone cold bluff.
When Andy fumbled the chips because he was planning to bluff with nothing, he needed to realize that it would reduce the fold equity of his bluff. But he was desperate to reverse the bleeding, so bluffed anyway. Pretty terrible play, regardless of it otherwise being a "good hand to bluff with" in that spot. The fumble turned a marginal and ambitious bluffing spot, into a "can't bluff if I give him credit for noticing" spot.
I've seen people with the nuts fake a fumbling tell, and it very rarely fools me, unless I only caught the end of it. If I was watching the whole thing, which I normally do, I can't recall ever being fooled by an intentional fumbling reverse tell. I've been fooled by a coincidental fumble not caused by nervousness or hand strength, but that doesn't make tell analysis any less accurate than any other kind of analysis.
Wow. Somehow he knew he was bluffing. Not sure how but I suspect Andy had a tell somewhere.
i think the all in is not that great, he has very little percentage of fold equity but luckily for him it worked cause andy had J high:))
He puts andy on ace x of clubs, and was trying to make him fold the ace. The problem is that andy doesn’t to 150k if he missed the clubs but catch random ace. Too risky when martin called three streets. 90 percent of the time he is going to be snapped by straight or sets.
Pot was 46.3 K after Martin Called 4 bet.......but how it comes to be only 6.3 K on the flop.
I love how Martin said " Strasse fertig" which is gypsi-german and means street done
i prefer a river sizing of 80K. Since if he really had good hands in that scenario, Like AK for example. he also wanted to be able to get called by hands like low 2 pairs. Therefor he wouldnt use this sizing.
Awesome Hand
shoving the river to represent the nuts for table-image probably. He seemed certain that he already won and he continued to claim he had the straight after the hand was over.
Someone really shouldn't bluff with all of his bluff catchers because he is wildly over bluffing and he can be called down pretty tight
He prolly went all in cuz most people's range with that play is sets+ with 0 bluffs, so he wanted to get him out of Ax or two pair, I like it
What is the value in shoving this river? Sure he blocks the nuts but he can’t know Andy has an air ball. Shove makes zero sense imo
It's a genius play only the other world class players understand (see all the comments defending Martin's play).
Andy might have Ax as busted but flushdraw, the line for pro-player would make sense, to bomb all the street.
On the river, Andy isn't betting 150k value for AK or AQ, only sets.
Martin blocks KKK set.
Martin blocks JT suited.
There are like 98s 54s, Ax suited combos which would play that line.
JToff is not probable.
Martin actually is a sick player after this hand.
He must get A to fold, and hand like AT or any Ax folded.
No reason to put another 100k in the middle, when should 100% lose.
Amazing play and reading the situation by that most annoying thing ever on this planet.
Lolol the 1-2 donks here sure do know it all lol.
Martin know more than we 😂 this is why he crushing everithing
If andy has QQ is he calling the shove?
Snap calling
I actually think it’s a perfect jam because it’s get Ax suited to fold
I honestly don’t mind Martin. I think the thing that throws people off is how choppy and harsh his accent can sound.
Don’t get why Andy always pick to widen range against all star line up
Great shove by Martin on the river!!!
He is trying to represent JT n fold out AX if Andy has it..
Instead of calling n lose to AX, Martin choose to shove n oni losing to JT the nuts.. Great play by Martin!!!
Andy isn't betting just an Ax hand though. The all-in was stupid IMO.
@5:55 If I was there, I would check, but there is no possibility I would be there, because I never bluff.
he went all in because he knew Andy was bluffing but didnt want to show his hand so went all in to get the fold from andy and not have to show, good tactic
If Martin joins my cash game I'm not even waiting for the blinds, I'm picking up immediately!
He doesn’t play $1/$2 dummie
@@NakedBlastoise do you think high stakes players don't exist or don't comment on RUclips? Maybe you should stick to PokeMon bro!
@@theadventuresofslim3057 sure invite him to your trailer I’m sure he would love to play with you 😂
Wasn't martin marking cards??
ye loosers said that why not change deck if they think he did it ànyway its nonsense do it at final table and finish 3rd anyway cŕy babies
I guess it’s clear why players don’t like him now…he’s just a better player than all of them 😂😂
Full pot or check fold
I would have bet around 25. You've him curious already and you've bet so much. To me it seems like Martin is not very comfortable in his hand before the turn. I would have been blasting from the flip or reraising those 20k bets