Mandarin Translation: Charlie says Martin plays too well. Andy was like what plays too well??? Nik says no, he doesn't play too well, he plays too annoying. Essentially they don't enjoy playing with Martin. Its 6am and Nik pointed that he didn't want a Headache. Its not fair if everyone has played for hours and hours and is tired, and a fresh player sits down with juice/refreshed and started annoying the fuck out of you is my analysis of the situation.
@@troycambo nothing to do with that. On any normal stream, they'd let him play. But not fresh at 6am when the others had been playing for 10+ hours overnight.
@@dalekerr5091 then state that. close the table to new players from that point on. If that was the reason why would they even need to debate it. Airball himself said it was because he didn't like martin and charles went along since he's a friend of ariball. Like I said ..gatekeeping..call it for what it is. Your rationalisation makes no sense since multiple players have joined late in streams before. Jungle joined after others had played many hours in another long stream
This game is hosted at a casino but it's a private game. Same rules apply to any private game. You can pick up early in the night and take home your winnings but don't ever expect to be invited back. This is the table clearly saying he's not invited. 7:24
@kendyjapri1559 don't worry, these guys use logic and rationale to suit to back up their emotional outrage. Under cursory evaluation it falls apart ..
Not the typical casino floor game where if you’re on the list you get to play . At higher stakes games are typically private because they wouldn’t run on there own someone has to set up the time and text everyone to come . If someone is unwanted gets too many complaints they stop getting invited. As a poker pro part of your job is to be likeable and have fun with the action players. If you fail to do so no more invite
Literal Translation: Andy: Charles you don't want to play with him right? Charles: No I don't. He plays too well why would I play with him. Andy: Very well? I haven't played with him before. Nik: He's not playing very well. He's playing very very very annoyingly. Charles: He always tries to talk a lot and try to irritate/annoy you. Nik: So annoying. If It's ten hours ago it would be okay.
I don't blame them. Martin is the type of player that makes me bring earbuds to poker games. Have one dude at my local casino who is piss drunk, even at 10 am when he shows up, and the floor has to watch him constantly because of his antics, instead of just telling him you aren't welcome back.
I think the biggest problem is Feldman idealistic idea of a 24 hour poker stream. The first 17 hours was fantastic, but the last stretch was really a torture to the remaining few players trying to just stick around 4 handed to get over the finishing line. A better idea would be to have 6 new players going in at the 16-18 hours stretch to end the show.
accurate. kudos to Feldman for always trying new things, but the end of stream was indeed not as quality. a total replacement of the players was def needed to breathe new life to the stream.
@@floorgasming it seemed extremely obvious to me they didn't have ....that many players on deck. Besides Martin/Sashimi (who isn't rolled and played as such and wasn't ideal for their game) - they basically had nobody. also JR specifically says he wasn't planning to come, he was at home in his $30 million house watching the stream in his sick jacuzzi and decided to stroll on down, what the fuck was their plan if he hadn't come? lol charles is the only actual beneficiary of this game, sick AF
I support the player walkout. Force HCL to make some hard decisions on how to run these looooong streams. 17 hours in and now you have a fully refreshed guy who already did a questionable walkout and will absolutely be loud and annoying. MMMMbye In my cardroom we had one guy who was so horrible for the game because he was literally a complete douche. He was constantly angling and badmouthing everyone. Many, many times he would berate a new player so bad they rack up and leave after like 10 minutes, never to return. The mgmt had threatened to ban him on many occasions but just never would. I aligned with the regulars that every single time he was seated we would all rack out and either play PLO Omaha (douchey won't play it) or just drive to one of the 2 other cardrooms nearby. I even informed mgmt why. After the 3rd time we broke a full table due to Douchey sitting down, they finally waited for him to berate a player in another game and banned him. I could never understand their logic for allowing him to play when several times I went to the poker5 mgr to point out a new player racking up after being berated. Is Douchey's rake worth losing new players? Really?
@@OGRE_HATES_NERDS No, because I am addressing ethics, not strictly letter of the law rules Just because Martin broke no rules, he is kinda douchey and the other players should walk out in a situation like this Look, play in any home game, make a big score quickly, then leave Have you broken any rules? nope Will you likely be invited back? nope
I worked for a casino that would berate their staff just to try and retain shitty customers like this guy. It's just an unfortunate byproduct of a bad perception of customer service by management teams.
@@Uncle_Troy I'll give you one that is straight up illegal and unhealthy! Lucky Chances Casino in Colma, Ca. (Bay Area) Service girl named Rose, has been there for EVER. I once saw her making a customer a cup of coffee. She added sugar and cream then stirred with a plastic stir stick and put the stick in her mouth to taste it. Not satisfied she added more sugar and then, I sh*t you not, she used the SAME stir stick that had just been all up inside of her mouth and stirred then tasted again. I saw her take to a customer and I came right behind to stop him from drinking and explained what I saw. Mgr was called over. Just said "Sorry, we will make you a new coffee" and walked away. Never even spoke to Rose. About a week later I se Rose walking by my poker table and the way she carries the food dishes she has her palm underneath but her thumb curled around the edge and, again I sh*t you not, her thumb is very visibly IN THE FOOD!! I took a picture and showed it to the mgr. He seemed irritated with ME! Last time I went there she was still there. Rumor has it that Rose loves the Pai Gow and when she hits big tips out mgrs and supervisors really well. Completely disgusting!
Idk, Airball & Santosh were the firsts to leave, I’d agree Martin’s excuse was lame & Meme-able however Ball & Santosh were more responsible for the game falling apart.
martin is that guy that wont shut up using verbal tactics to read players, it works in tournaments when you are force to play with people but in cash game it doesnt work cause they can use the same tactics when playing him, they got to go to meetings in santa monica before he sits down
No one wants to play with an annoying, greasy, smelly super shark that is undoubtedly going to crush long term against most of this lineup. Nothing wrong with them boycotting martin, anyone in their right mind would do the same. Shouldn't even be an issue IMO. Based off past streams and what people say, Martin is insufferable to be around.
Greasy smelly long term crusher etc are just excuses. Bear jew is way way worse in all those categories. The simple fact is it's because he's a eastern European and easy to bully since he hasn't mastered the language and culture and is an easy target. He's also a better player so this indian loser airball feels threatened..
Martin is good, but he’s not a super shark. Hes kinda like kassouf, but better and not a pos. I’ll always want to watch martin play cause he made Dan smith cry that event he was pretending to mark cards lol.
The fact Martin basically snatched rampages cards after a huge bluff then asking if he could see is wild, that’s the kinda shit you get punished for but he wasn’t. he even tried asking to see his cards again and rampage just called him nosey
Other players have done much worse but all of a sudden it's a problem when the eastern European does it? You said yourself rampage had no problem and he was the only party affected so why are you crying on his behalf
IDK the whole but that Martin guy is annoying AF, if you like him clearly you dn't play poker or ever sat down at the same table with someone like him, just fks up the rest of your day.@@troycambo
@@troycambo martin has always been an annoying piece of shit even in tournaments so i wont be surprised the moment he got invited to HCL all the players hate him lmfao
Honestly, the way Martin conducts himself, he virtually did this to himself. There is a way to needle people as to where it's charming, and there is a way to needle people as to where they dislike you. He falls into the latter camp.
I felt really bad for Andy when Martin shoved on river with KJcc and andy folded his bluff. Martin proceeded to needle andy after andy might have lost 200k in that pot. Right after I saw that, I was very confused because Martin should be smarter than this, your ev drops so much in the long run because you won’t get invited back to this juicy game.
Martin always on the edge of the rules. Yes he can suddenly go to “a meeting” when he winning and table lost few amateurs and show up fresh at game which started 17 hrs ago but his opponents also can have some vision of not scripted rules especially if you’re new in this game. For me he was disrespectful at highest level possible and players totally right in their decision.
This is the real secret to winning poker: show up to the poker room around 6AM after a good night's sleep and sit down in a loose game that's been going all night.
My rent was paid by waking up at 430, playing from 5:30-9, and then playing the second shift from 5:30-10. Catch the tail end of crazy/drunk games, crush some nit games in the morning, and then follow up in the afternoon with 'regular' play. Averaged 11-15k/mo that way, and got to save a nice egg for tourneys and travel. Nothing crazy, but lived well.
I think it was perfectly justifiable I don't know for sure if martin had a meeting or bothered telling anyone about it but up and leaving a stream that ends in a hour or two up 300k is pretty disgusting granted airball broke the game to begin with. I don't think with a hit and run like that andy should have to sit and listen to the moron for an entire stream.
@@rdf274 If accepted a invitation to a game like this Id make sure i dont have plans, the point of the game is for the stream and production which those guys totally let down.
Why do you find it “disgusting” that Martin can’t play? Ignoring his antics and cheating scandal, these guys have been grinding for 16 hours. It’s not fair.
Everyone wants to say he wasn't marking cards but he was. The wsop was lying when they said he wasn't because they will lose a lot of players if people know they are allowing people from certain countries to cheat.
Wether he did or didn't doesn't really matter. He was very clearly giving the appearance of marking cards, and standing over players to get a close look at their cards. If someone thinks a player knows their hole cards, you cant trap, you cant bluff, you can't represent, you have lost. Giving the appearance of cheating should be treated exactly same way as cheating. Show the door and ask not to come back.
Airball and Santosh left early, he stayed over 2 hour longer after that cause he was asked to even though the game was starting to break apart because of airball end of story
Ryan, go tell Martin that he has another meeting on Santa Monica. He can’t miss those smart people and traffic might be insane to get there. Start the engine, Martin.
They were desperate for new players, I imagine Ryan texted quite a few guys and was not having much luck. Crazy that this wasn't all planned out well in advance.
Hopefully Andy finds a much more mature environment than HCL. HCL has never been a mature environment, and that's a part of what helps them get more attention. Being in LA, also a rarely-mature environment, HCL will never be as mature of a place to play compared to say a $500k cash game at The Golden Nugget, etc.
i assume a "mature environment" would mean much better players and andy gets crushed at these tables full of whales so there might not be any hope for him.
No one believed Martins meeting....How long to get to Santa Monica he asked....You are so intelligent yet you didn't calculate when you needed to leave or how long exactly it would take to get to this so called important meeting:???....for a poker player not a very good liar.
Andy Stacks is a man of honor. Nitucci calling out Andy is goon is. And Ryan is a nebbish. Andy needs to go back to LATB and bring Garrett back to the cash tables. Leave Wesley, Sashimi, and the rest of of the crew to nickel and dime Huster China Live.
Martin can and does tone it down when people just ask him nicely. but most of the time nobody says anything to his face and talk about him when he's not there like high schoolers
ask him nicely? are you for real. there are many reasons why people don't like him and being a good player is not one of them. he is just another william kassouf. they have no class.
Honestly the only player that is interesting for me in that lineup is Martin. Who are even the other randos including hairball? It's sad what is happening to poker
End of the day HCL is a business but at the same token, I doubt they have any true say over the players. Even if they stake a portion of the higher stakes games. If they don't want to play they don't want to play, unless they have a contract the players are under no obligation to do so.
High stakes games have a tendency to be political. You wanna be invited back either as a fish or a nice guy. Those previous antics preceded Martin and they just didn’t wanna deal with him so late into the game. I’ve seen that happen in many private games. Trust me, if Martin bleeds chips into other players’ stack, they would welcome him in 24/7.
I see your take on it Alex, but if the majority of the players did not want to play with him, then it is a wise business decision to keep him out of the game. I personally enjoyed watching and listening to Martin when he was on stream this week. I do think it was crappy of him to up and leave, but he did do what Ryan asked and stayed for another 30 minutes. His departure was looked on as much worse because of Nik and Santosh bouncing though. Personally if those two fish left my game, I would probably all of a sudden remember a meeting I had to go to as well. :) Good video as always
Its poor etiquette to leave streamed games early, especially while you are up. Some player lost a 60k pot and left up and they were tilted about that too. It is not really a good look to hit and run a live stream game.
It's a private game. That's why there is certain unspoken etiquettes u need to follow. That's why you will either get invited back or not. Obviously these players don't want Martin back. So if majority players don't want to play with you, you can't play. Or the game will break or no game. It's all up to the host.
I once went to give my buddy a ride home from a private game where one guy had most of the winnings. They let me sit down for “one last hand” and I hit a straight flush vs 4 kings and took all the money. 5 very pissed off people
andy: charles, you don't want to play with martin?, Charles: yeah, he's too good why would I want to play with him, andy - really? I didn't know charles: yeah he's too good, and he uses a lot of tactics/angles, I don't wanna deal with it
These all are bunch of P, Martin is a good player I love to watch the stream when Martin is playing… Martin is the most Interesting among all these jokers… Hustler should remove all these jokers and search for new players who are cool
It's very simple. They were afraid of him because he is a good player. If Santosh sits down and talks loud for 5h straight they all would be super happy to play. That's it
Martin is a piece of work I’d be very careful around him he has a crazy history of crossing the line of table etiquette I don’t even want to say what I would do if I hit a big pot on him watch how he plays an ax from past tournaments and cash games. Not that I would ever play at these stakes but we all have mini martins at ours tread lightly with this guys boys!
@@TheRockisaBondMoviewrong. Nik Airball and Santhost already told Feldman and other players they are leaving a certain time for a private game. That was communicate to all the players that got seat when he got seated. Andy came late and did not have that information. Martin antic and speech play is annoying but fair. But he was up $300K and suddenly walked out for a "special meeting in Santa Monica" does not go too well with the rest of the players remaining on the table. There was no advance notice to anyone that he was planning to leave at a specific time. He has the right to leave anytime he likes but create a bad image and reputation. Thus, words gets out fast and this is the result.
or maybe he actually had somewhere to be. this guys a pro and this is probably one of the softest games he could ever dream of, there is zero reason for him to hit and run.
Martin has already embarrassed himself in front of the entire world with what was done at WSOP and his antics throughout the week. This was just a drop in the bucket
institutional buying into PbatesLTD could totally break the cycle and the peak expectation of end of 2025 will likely spectacularly fail to appear. If the last double peak was odd, the next one will catch most people out again.
Nik & Santosh pack it up to play at another game (Santosh did have an excuse as he told HCL he would be leaving early), Professor leaves, Pepe leaves, J Boogs leaves and Raymond but Martin is who gets singled out? I think people forget Martins first night this week he went in a couple 100ks to finally get in the black so it’s not like he’s going to not put money in the game, shut it down and not play any more hands ala Pepe, Raymond. Andy was the only one who didn’t mind Martin coming in like a true competitor! And Nik complaining about Martin giving people headaches is wild with all the noise he creates
I thought both Nik and Santosh had said they would be leaving early, but that the other players weren't informed (but I could be wrong about that). I do agree that Nik complaining about Martin is a bit hypocritical. Then again, Nik is loud and punts off his money, which is a lot more favorable than someone being loud and playing good.
I was going to write an insightful reply to this comment, but I have a meeting with a very smart guy and I'll need to beat traffic to get there in time.
All the issues revolving this Guy its pretty simple: Hustler regs don't wanna share their juicy line ups and will try to block Out strong Players. If you are a hot Girl or a donating whale you can act however you Like, If you are a crusher better Walk on eggshells and they might let you keep playing
No one does that. Poker was and always will be a game where one can stand up at any given point in time. All these bs ideas that benefit certain peoples wrong mindsets in an egotistical way are just toxic and redundant. You sound like an online poker sites ceo that wants to protect the "recreational player" aka FISH. Obviously just for the benefit of that player and the poker environment, not for the profit of raking everyone to death...sure :D
If it’s the players prerogative to not play with Martin, is it Martin’s prerogative to cash out early winning? If one group has choices of freedom of play/not play or quit or not quit , shouldn’t that courtesy be extended to other players?
Well first of all he’s probably not supposed to leave especially when this is a live broadcasted game and they should have some kind of agreement beforehand. Secondly, he did it first by leaving, so he asked for it. If he could do it, they can also not play with him. There’s an order of events. Lastly sometimes not everything is fair anyway. A poker game can afford to lose one player, but can’t lose a bunch, the game simply breaks and that’s not what HCL and the audience want to see.
Yes, it is Martin’s prerogative to cash out early when he is winning. But he only gets to do that once. After that, he is no longer welcome and will have to find another game.
Keep in mind this is the guy who literally everyone in the poker community views as scummy and seemingly not above cheating. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Hes also not fun to watch on stream anyways. HCL should just formally retract any invitation to stream games as he causes too many issues wherever he goes it seems.
You’re in the minority with that L take….. he’s way more entertaining and tolerable than airball will ever be…. Airball was clearly jealous and couldn’t handle the smoke cause he’s a b*tch 😂
@TheRockisaBondMovie I don't like airball either. But people at the table like him. Martin is intentionally annoying in an attempt to get an edge. Airball is just having fun and sometimes goes too far with his jokes. You seem to be saying that you like Martin's antics and not Airball's, it's inconsistent, my gripe is with Martin constantly on the edge of courteous play and near angling. I don't like the crazy antics, but people like it sometimes. 23 hours into a stream it's OKAY that those at the table don't want to play with him, and I think he doesn't add anything meaningful to other streams, and the players don't like playing with him, so there should be no reason he gets to be a reg on the show which is one of the best games in the world. Don't reward bad behavior.
Martin is very suspect but just like HCL Martin fully investigated himself and found no evidence of cheating or anything illegal even though it might be possible .
@georgewbushcenterforintell147 "no evidence of cheating even though it might be possible." Yes, that's my point. He's constantly pushing the line of etiquette vs angle shooting, and the whole reason the rule of having to be seated while in a hand at the WSOP was implemented was because he was walking over to people and looking at the backs of their cards. That's not okay even if it's not cheating. Ultimately, it's no surprise these guys don't want to play with him fresh while they're pushing 20 hours at the table for some.
Martin is the djokovic of poker. The main issue is his winning and people being envious. If he was a cheater he'd be banned. Airball is the main driving force behind the gatekeeping because he realises martin is basically him(polarising focus of a table) but a winner not a long term clown loser.
Vertucci has no right to make that statement, he's part owner but not their fathers. Players have all the right to question other players' integrity while holding on to theirs. Vertucci is letting his authority go to his head. Clearly in the wrong, if anything this will be the death of Hustler, it only takes one person to F shits up.
@@troycambo so I can see you have trouble explaining yourself . But I think I agree with you . I don’t blame the boys for not wanting to play with him.
@@troycambo You're literally replying to almost every single comment here like an emotional triggered clown and you want to talk about emotional reactions? 😄That's hilarious.
They were afraid to play with him, only Charlie admitted it, the other guys used the annoying thing as an excuse because of their egos. They should be afraid to play with him, he's a good player and he has an unfair advantage being rested, the idea of a 24 hour stream is that it's a marathon session but everyone is on a level playing field because they do the 24 hours together, if a weak player shows up rested it's not a problem but a fresh player that is also a strong player is a huge problem, there's no shame in admitting it but these guys have big egos. When I started playing poker there were these things called newspapers, it was words printed on paper that would tell you the days news, weather etc. when I would get stuck and play all night these guys would show up at 7am with a coffee and one of these newspaper things and just wait for good hands while reading the paper and wreck all the overnight players, this is pretty much the same concept.
If the table doesnt want him to sit thats totally fine ....BUT If Martin was asked to return in the morning perhaps they should have ran it by the table to save him the trip...BUT he is also a bigger DB for running away up 375k with a bs excuse.
I would have no problem playing with M, you don't have to like him or fall into his antics, but you should know it is ALL a strategy, everything he does, and when he talk about "this important meeting" he is fully aware it sounds like bs, It is a setup, so he can go home, sleep and the get back into it in the morning knowing, him just being there all friendly acting , will push buttons and make the other tired players make even bigger mistakes. Good for them to make a stand!
It’s funny because if he was loud and annoying but a whale, they wouldn’t leave. But because he’s loud, annoying, and also a crusher, they want to leave 😂
Yeah. They should walk out. It’s the way you stay and play. When you win, you can’t walk out while you are up. In poker, you need to give people a chance to win it back. Otherwise, you are not being fair to the other players. Yes, he can leave when he wants to but the next time he want someone to play with him and let’s say Martin ends up being down $200,000 and then everyone stands up and walk out winning his money, how would he feel knowing that they won’t let him win his money back?
Martin kebrel is the biggest nuisance to play with in poker. Add in the 18 hour mark at 6 am and it’s understandable why no one would want to play with him. He is an asshole and hit and run 2 days before.
Mandarin Translation: Charlie says Martin plays too well. Andy was like what plays too well??? Nik says no, he doesn't play too well, he plays too annoying. Essentially they don't enjoy playing with Martin. Its 6am and Nik pointed that he didn't want a Headache. Its not fair if everyone has played for hours and hours and is tired, and a fresh player sits down with juice/refreshed and started annoying the fuck out of you is my analysis of the situation.
It’s very fucking edgy if it was his plan. Not my cup of tea but wow impressive. It’s not illegal.
He asked to play the day before they didn't call him in until that time
That's lame. Gatekeeping a good player out of fear since they can't beat him.
@@troycambo nothing to do with that. On any normal stream, they'd let him play. But not fresh at 6am when the others had been playing for 10+ hours overnight.
@@dalekerr5091 then state that. close the table to new players from that point on. If that was the reason why would they even need to debate it. Airball himself said it was because he didn't like martin and charles went along since he's a friend of ariball. Like I said ..gatekeeping..call it for what it is. Your rationalisation makes no sense since multiple players have joined late in streams before. Jungle joined after others had played many hours in another long stream
This game is hosted at a casino but it's a private game.
Same rules apply to any private game.
You can pick up early in the night and take home your winnings but don't ever expect to be invited back.
This is the table clearly saying he's not invited. 7:24
Nailed it
And why nik airball get invited? As i knoe he leaving first and bring santosh with him.
@kendyjapri1559 don't worry, these guys use logic and rationale to suit to back up their emotional outrage. Under cursory evaluation it falls apart ..
@@kendyjapri1559 the biggest $$$ loser always gets a seat at the game
Not the typical casino floor game where if you’re on the list you get to play . At higher stakes games are typically private because they wouldn’t run on there own someone has to set up the time and text everyone to come . If someone is unwanted gets too many complaints they stop getting invited. As a poker pro part of your job is to be likeable and have fun with the action players. If you fail to do so no more invite
"Who else is coming to the game after we have been playing 20 hours?" "I texted 3 other fresh super pros regs" 😂
Literal Translation:
Andy: Charles you don't want to play with him right?
Charles: No I don't. He plays too well why would I play with him.
Andy: Very well? I haven't played with him before.
Nik: He's not playing very well. He's playing very very very annoyingly.
Charles: He always tries to talk a lot and try to irritate/annoy you.
Nik: So annoying. If It's ten hours ago it would be okay.
I don't blame them. Martin is the type of player that makes me bring earbuds to poker games. Have one dude at my local casino who is piss drunk, even at 10 am when he shows up, and the floor has to watch him constantly because of his antics, instead of just telling him you aren't welcome back.
As long as he doesn’t piss under the table…
I think the biggest problem is Feldman idealistic idea of a 24 hour poker stream. The first 17 hours was fantastic, but the last stretch was really a torture to the remaining few players trying to just stick around 4 handed to get over the finishing line. A better idea would be to have 6 new players going in at the 16-18 hours stretch to end the show.
accurate. kudos to Feldman for always trying new things, but the end of stream was indeed not as quality. a total replacement of the players was def needed to breathe new life to the stream.
Yes! Terrible idea
@@floorgasming it seemed extremely obvious to me they didn't have ....that many players on deck. Besides Martin/Sashimi (who isn't rolled and played as such and wasn't ideal for their game) - they basically had nobody.
also JR specifically says he wasn't planning to come, he was at home in his $30 million house watching the stream in his sick jacuzzi and decided to stroll on down, what the fuck was their plan if he hadn't come? lol
charles is the only actual beneficiary of this game, sick AF
I support the player walkout. Force HCL to make some hard decisions on how to run these looooong streams. 17 hours in and now you have a fully refreshed guy who already did a questionable walkout and will absolutely be loud and annoying. MMMMbye
In my cardroom we had one guy who was so horrible for the game because he was literally a complete douche. He was constantly angling and badmouthing everyone. Many, many times he would berate a new player so bad they rack up and leave after like 10 minutes, never to return. The mgmt had threatened to ban him on many occasions but just never would.
I aligned with the regulars that every single time he was seated we would all rack out and either play PLO Omaha (douchey won't play it) or just drive to one of the 2 other cardrooms nearby. I even informed mgmt why. After the 3rd time we broke a full table due to Douchey sitting down, they finally waited for him to berate a player in another game and banned him.
I could never understand their logic for allowing him to play when several times I went to the poker5 mgr to point out a new player racking up after being berated. Is Douchey's rake worth losing new players? Really?
Losing new players is bad for the rake
do youre saying it should be a tournament instead of a cash game ?
@@OGRE_HATES_NERDS
No, because I am addressing ethics, not strictly letter of the law rules
Just because Martin broke no rules, he is kinda douchey and the other players should walk out in a situation like this
Look, play in any home game, make a big score quickly, then leave
Have you broken any rules? nope
Will you likely be invited back? nope
I worked for a casino that would berate their staff just to try and retain shitty customers like this guy. It's just an unfortunate byproduct of a bad perception of customer service by management teams.
@@Uncle_Troy I'll give you one that is straight up illegal and unhealthy!
Lucky Chances Casino in Colma, Ca. (Bay Area)
Service girl named Rose, has been there for EVER. I once saw her making a customer a cup of coffee. She added sugar and cream then stirred with a plastic stir stick and put the stick in her mouth to taste it. Not satisfied she added more sugar and then, I sh*t you not, she used the SAME stir stick that had just been all up inside of her mouth and stirred then tasted again. I saw her take to a customer and I came right behind to stop him from drinking and explained what I saw. Mgr was called over. Just said "Sorry, we will make you a new coffee" and walked away. Never even spoke to Rose.
About a week later I se Rose walking by my poker table and the way she carries the food dishes she has her palm underneath but her thumb curled around the edge and, again I sh*t you not, her thumb is very visibly IN THE FOOD!! I took a picture and showed it to the mgr. He seemed irritated with ME! Last time I went there she was still there.
Rumor has it that Rose loves the Pai Gow and when she hits big tips out mgrs and supervisors really well.
Completely disgusting!
Idk, Airball & Santosh were the firsts to leave, I’d agree Martin’s excuse was lame & Meme-able however Ball & Santosh were more responsible for the game falling apart.
santosh lost a milly he could fly out to attend a meeting in alaska, cmon bro
Apparently they did say they had to leave at some point to go to a private game, but the organizers didn't inform the other players.
I have to meet someone smart - my local bank manager.
martin is that guy that wont shut up using verbal tactics to read players, it works in tournaments when you are force to play with people but in cash game it doesnt work cause they can use the same tactics when playing him, they got to go to meetings in santa monica before he sits down
If verbal shouldn't be part of a game why even play live..
He literally has a court case for cheating aswell
@@troycambo if annoying people is a tactic, then dont be surprised when people dont wanna play with you LIVE
@@roageapex8738He has not.
@@floorgasmingexactly lol 😂
No one wants to play with an annoying, greasy, smelly super shark that is undoubtedly going to crush long term against most of this lineup. Nothing wrong with them boycotting martin, anyone in their right mind would do the same. Shouldn't even be an issue IMO. Based off past streams and what people say, Martin is insufferable to be around.
Greasy smelly long term crusher etc are just excuses. Bear jew is way way worse in all those categories. The simple fact is it's because he's a eastern European and easy to bully since he hasn't mastered the language and culture and is an easy target.
He's also a better player so this indian loser airball feels threatened..
was wondering what is the deal with that greasy hair? Is that a thing in Czech Repub?
Martin is good, but he’s not a super shark. Hes kinda like kassouf, but better and not a pos. I’ll always want to watch martin play cause he made Dan smith cry that event he was pretending to mark cards lol.
None of that would matter if it wasn’t for the shark part. Cause the first three words describes airball
The fact Martin basically snatched rampages cards after a huge bluff then asking if he could see is wild, that’s the kinda shit you get punished for but he wasn’t. he even tried asking to see his cards again and rampage just called him nosey
Saw that , wondered why they let it slide
Other players have done much worse but all of a sudden it's a problem when the eastern European does it? You said yourself rampage had no problem and he was the only party affected so why are you crying on his behalf
IDK the whole but that Martin guy is annoying AF, if you like him clearly you dn't play poker or ever sat down at the same table with someone like him, just fks up the rest of your day.@@troycambo
@@troycambo martin has always been an annoying piece of shit even in tournaments so i wont be surprised the moment he got invited to HCL all the players hate him lmfao
@@troycamboeastern European??
Pretty sure Martin hails from Germamy...(western euro)
Honestly, the way Martin conducts himself, he virtually did this to himself.
There is a way to needle people as to where it's charming, and there is a way to needle people as to where they dislike you.
He falls into the latter camp.
Anything specific? ..Airball is a bigger pos but he gets off because he is from America right..
I felt really bad for Andy when Martin shoved on river with KJcc and andy folded his bluff. Martin proceeded to needle andy after andy might have lost 200k in that pot. Right after I saw that, I was very confused because Martin should be smarter than this, your ev drops so much in the long run because you won’t get invited back to this juicy game.
Martin hasn’t been seen since he’s meeting with a smart guy from Santa Monica
he is too smart for his own good, screw him.
A VERY smart guy.
Martin cant expect to hit and run the day before, then sit down fresh after they are all tired.
Sneaky af Martin dude
Martin always on the edge of the rules. Yes he can suddenly go to “a meeting” when he winning and table lost few amateurs and show up fresh at game which started 17 hrs ago but his opponents also can have some vision of not scripted rules especially if you’re new in this game. For me he was disrespectful at highest level possible and players totally right in their decision.
Yeah he needs to lie better, that shit was so tilting to listen to. Bro may as well have said he was going to see the Pope or Santa Claus
He left cause Nik and Santhosh left. The professor and Raymond didn’t want to play short handed either. Nobody wants to watch dudes like JR play poker
100% agree, he should forfeit his winning into the pool and leave with jack shit.
This is the real secret to winning poker: show up to the poker room around 6AM after a good night's sleep and sit down in a loose game that's been going all night.
I did this in Vegas and didnt workout hahaha I ran my QQs vs the two drunk guys KK and AA who happened to be raising everyhand 10x Pre
My rent was paid by waking up at 430, playing from 5:30-9, and then playing the second shift from 5:30-10. Catch the tail end of crazy/drunk games, crush some nit games in the morning, and then follow up in the afternoon with 'regular' play. Averaged 11-15k/mo that way, and got to save a nice egg for tourneys and travel. Nothing crazy, but lived well.
Facts
I love how nik airbag had the perfect table set up for him and still proceeded to set 530k ablaze.
He just staking all the players
I think it was perfectly justifiable I don't know for sure if martin had a meeting or bothered telling anyone about it but up and leaving a stream that ends in a hour or two up 300k is pretty disgusting granted airball broke the game to begin with. I don't think with a hit and run like that andy should have to sit and listen to the moron for an entire stream.
You'd probably enter the table by saying "guys I can play for a few hours, I have a meeting later on"
@@rdf274 If accepted a invitation to a game like this Id make sure i dont have plans, the point of the game is for the stream and production which those guys totally let down.
Why do you find it “disgusting” that Martin can’t play? Ignoring his antics and cheating scandal, these guys have been grinding for 16 hours. It’s not fair.
“Being embarrassed in front of the whole world”? 😂 Martin does JUST fine embarrassing Himself in front of the whole world.
Martin is a legend.
@@santaclause3487 Ok martin calm down
Martin is a true legend
wasnt this the dude that was marking cards at the wsop
Nawww he just puts the hole table on tilt with his antics
Everyone wants to say he wasn't marking cards but he was. The wsop was lying when they said he wasn't because they will lose a lot of players if people know they are allowing people from certain countries to cheat.
Quite the opposite 😂 everyone wants to say that he was but they have no proof at all… gtfoh bozo
Wether he did or didn't doesn't really matter. He was very clearly giving the appearance of marking cards, and standing over players to get a close look at their cards.
If someone thinks a player knows their hole cards, you cant trap, you cant bluff, you can't represent, you have lost.
Giving the appearance of cheating should be treated exactly same way as cheating. Show the door and ask not to come back.
@@michaelewald9195 wtf are you talking about
I’m glad they did that to Martin !! 👏🏼 He’s a good player but really disrespectful.
Nah hes alpha
Whahahah good joke
Dude left the previous game early when he was up money. They don't want to play with someone like that.
Airball and Santosh left early, he stayed over 2 hour longer after that cause he was asked to even though the game was starting to break apart because of airball end of story
@@TheRockisaBondMovieso did pepe
@@TheRockisaBondMovie Did he really stay 2 hours longer? I feel like he left after like 30 minutes, but I could be misremembering.
Ryan, go tell Martin that he has another meeting on Santa Monica. He can’t miss those smart people and traffic might be insane to get there. Start the engine, Martin.
They didn't make up there mind. Martin made up his mind with his own actions for years now.
The meeting Martin was speaking of was his winnings meeting his bank account 😂
HCL invited him without asking other regulers if that's fine...
They were desperate for new players, I imagine Ryan texted quite a few guys and was not having much luck. Crazy that this wasn't all planned out well in advance.
It’s so easy to see what’s he’s doing. Coming in well rested to take advantage of people’s fatigue
The irony of Nic saying someone needs to be quiet.
Hopefully Andy finds a much more mature environment than HCL. HCL has never been a mature environment, and that's a part of what helps them get more attention. Being in LA, also a rarely-mature environment, HCL will never be as mature of a place to play compared to say a $500k cash game at The Golden Nugget, etc.
i assume a "mature environment" would mean much better players and andy gets crushed at these tables full of whales so there might not be any hope for him.
No one believed Martins meeting....How long to get to Santa Monica he asked....You are so intelligent yet you didn't calculate when you needed to leave or how long exactly it would take to get to this so called important meeting:???....for a poker player not a very good liar.
Bingo. He very obviously lied about having a meeting.
The low quality of his lie kinda made me cringe.
@@mark5071 Me too,you could feel the awkwardness at the table also.
“if rampage walks through the door right now and wants to play, these guys would let him play 100%”
LOL nobody can hate rampage
Imagine playing until 6 in the morning and this guy trys to sit lol
Banned Martin for life
Nobody in their right mind enjoys playing with him
Showing up with multiple juices is wild
Andy Stacks is a man of honor.
Nitucci calling out Andy is goon is. And Ryan is a nebbish.
Andy needs to go back to LATB and bring Garrett back to the cash tables.
Leave Wesley, Sashimi, and the rest of of the crew to nickel and dime Huster China Live.
Martin can and does tone it down when people just ask him nicely. but most of the time nobody says anything to his face and talk about him when he's not there like high schoolers
majority of the world
ask him nicely? are you for real. there are many reasons why people don't like him and being a good player is not one of them. he is just another william kassouf. they have no class.
Nik Airball did the worst slow roll ive ever seen when he outright lied that he had lost when he won, if anyone should be ostracised it should be him!
Martin has poor etiquette and is bad for the game. I wouldn’t play with him either.
Honestly the only player that is interesting for me in that lineup is Martin. Who are even the other randos including hairball? It's sad what is happening to poker
literally a stream game and they all just wanted to sit there in silence lol...very rich coming from airball as well.
It's the player's money. They can't be "forced" to play if they say they won't play.
😂😂😂😂 they scared of Martin he's a superpro
Martin showing up well rested, but also a legit pro they are not locked in enough to battle a predator
End of the day HCL is a business but at the same token, I doubt they have any true say over the players. Even if they stake a portion of the higher stakes games. If they don't want to play they don't want to play, unless they have a contract the players are under no obligation to do so.
High stakes games have a tendency to be political. You wanna be invited back either as a fish or a nice guy. Those previous antics preceded Martin and they just didn’t wanna deal with him so late into the game. I’ve seen that happen in many private games. Trust me, if Martin bleeds chips into other players’ stack, they would welcome him in 24/7.
Id rather sit at a table with a tornado alarm then Martin Kabrhel
Tuchman said to DGAF earlier in the stream he doesn't like Martin and his antics as well
I see your take on it Alex, but if the majority of the players did not want to play with him, then it is a wise business decision to keep him out of the game. I personally enjoyed watching and listening to Martin when he was on stream this week. I do think it was crappy of him to up and leave, but he did do what Ryan asked and stayed for another 30 minutes. His departure was looked on as much worse because of Nik and Santosh bouncing though. Personally if those two fish left my game, I would probably all of a sudden remember a meeting I had to go to as well. :) Good video as always
"I think all the seats might be open."
Martin makes nik look like a saint
the only difference between them is martin is good
Martin is a good guy with a whatever autism problem. Nik is just not as good of a man, by far
They didn't want the smoke again
Lol
Exactly my thought 😂😂
Nah they just don’t respect him
they didnt want the smoke at 6AM when dude was fresh and rested. and still annoying af.
Its poor etiquette to leave streamed games early, especially while you are up. Some player lost a 60k pot and left up and they were tilted about that too. It is not really a good look to hit and run a live stream game.
It's a private game. That's why there is certain unspoken etiquettes u need to follow. That's why you will either get invited back or not.
Obviously these players don't want Martin back.
So if majority players don't want to play with you, you can't play. Or the game will break or no game. It's all up to the host.
C says he is too good to play with, and N is like he is good but it's just he talks too much and Andy is like I dont really mind any of that
Nik the indian is such a clown.
I once went to give my buddy a ride home from a private game where one guy had most of the winnings. They let me sit down for “one last hand” and I hit a straight flush vs 4 kings and took all the money. 5 very pissed off people
andy: charles, you don't want to play with martin?, Charles: yeah, he's too good why would I want to play with him, andy - really? I didn't know charles: yeah he's too good, and he uses a lot of tactics/angles, I don't wanna deal with it
Charles admits he's a loser lol
This was better than watching Nick get a massage..
After watching Rounders last night for the first time in a while it seems Martin has the reputation of Ed Nortons character Worm
They're afraid of 'super pros', get Limitless, Art & Garrett back and nobody will show up!
If Martin was annoying and played poorly, they'd sit with him all day. They all don't like playing with him because he's really good.
I love how they use Rampage as an example of who they would play with lol
haha too funny. i too wouldnt mind if someone who likes to light money on fire sits down at my table.
These all are bunch of P, Martin is a good player I love to watch the stream when Martin is playing… Martin is the most Interesting among all these jokers… Hustler should remove all these jokers and search for new players who are cool
It's very simple. They were afraid of him because he is a good player. If Santosh sits down and talks loud for 5h straight they all would be super happy to play. That's it
Yeah, if you pay the other players hundreds of thousands on average, you get some leeway in how annoying you can be.
you can be annoying or you can be good. you cant be good AND annoying or else no one wants to play with you. THATS IT.
Exactly my point. Annoying and losing is what they want. That's it
Loving these new style videos
No way im shaking his hand
Martin is a piece of work I’d be very careful around him he has a crazy history of crossing the line of table etiquette I don’t even want to say what I would do if I hit a big pot on him watch how he plays an ax from past tournaments and cash games. Not that I would ever play at these stakes but we all have mini martins at ours tread lightly with this guys boys!
martin hit and run. Up 300k. Hes a bit scummy on the table. The etiquette goes both ways.
Nice balance lol
Wrong, that was santosh and airball, Martin stayed over 2 hours after that smh
@@TheRockisaBondMoviewrong. Nik Airball and Santhost already told Feldman and other players they are leaving a certain time for a private game. That was communicate to all the players that got seat when he got seated. Andy came late and did not have that information. Martin antic and speech play is annoying but fair. But he was up $300K and suddenly walked out for a "special meeting in Santa Monica" does not go too well with the rest of the players remaining on the table. There was no advance notice to anyone that he was planning to leave at a specific time. He has the right to leave anytime he likes but create a bad image and reputation. Thus, words gets out fast and this is the result.
That is true though. But the real reason is, that he has an edge on them all.
or maybe he actually had somewhere to be. this guys a pro and this is probably one of the softest games he could ever dream of, there is zero reason for him to hit and run.
Martin has already embarrassed himself in front of the entire world with what was done at WSOP and his antics throughout the week. This was just a drop in the bucket
Embarrassed himself?
I think his lawsuits say otherwise
He embarrassed them.
Wait so Nick got cheated a Milli from a private home game by Mars aka Gucci Man aka LV God? Anyone can elaborate on this?
institutional buying into PbatesLTD could totally break the cycle and the peak expectation of end of 2025 will likely spectacularly fail to appear. If the last double peak was odd, the next one will catch most people out again.
Nik & Santosh pack it up to play at another game (Santosh did have an excuse as he told HCL he would be leaving early), Professor leaves, Pepe leaves, J Boogs leaves and Raymond but Martin is who gets singled out? I think people forget Martins first night this week he went in a couple 100ks to finally get in the black so it’s not like he’s going to not put money in the game, shut it down and not play any more hands ala Pepe, Raymond. Andy was the only one who didn’t mind Martin coming in like a true competitor! And Nik complaining about Martin giving people headaches is wild with all the noise he creates
I thought both Nik and Santosh had said they would be leaving early, but that the other players weren't informed (but I could be wrong about that).
I do agree that Nik complaining about Martin is a bit hypocritical. Then again, Nik is loud and punts off his money, which is a lot more favorable than someone being loud and playing good.
They should all say they have a meeting with a very smart guy half an hour ago
I was going to write an insightful reply to this comment, but I have a meeting with a very smart guy and I'll need to beat traffic to get there in time.
All the issues revolving this Guy its pretty simple: Hustler regs don't wanna share their juicy line ups and will try to block Out strong Players.
If you are a hot Girl or a donating whale you can act however you Like, If you are a crusher better Walk on eggshells and they might let you keep playing
it only depends if martin is on all nighter aswell
They needed to have set times for players to leave an join. Like every 6 or 12 hours. Unless someone busts.
No one does that. Poker was and always will be a game where one can stand up at any given point in time. All these bs ideas that benefit certain peoples wrong mindsets in an egotistical way are just toxic and redundant. You sound like an online poker sites ceo that wants to protect the "recreational player" aka FISH. Obviously just for the benefit of that player and the poker environment, not for the profit of raking everyone to death...sure :D
it's funny how airball can barade players all he wants but as soon as jungle does it to him he's all of a sudden sensitive sally
If it’s the players prerogative to not play with Martin, is it Martin’s prerogative to cash out early winning? If one group has choices of freedom of play/not play or quit or not quit , shouldn’t that courtesy be extended to other players?
Well first of all he’s probably not supposed to leave especially when this is a live broadcasted game and they should have some kind of agreement beforehand.
Secondly, he did it first by leaving, so he asked for it. If he could do it, they can also not play with him. There’s an order of events.
Lastly sometimes not everything is fair anyway. A poker game can afford to lose one player, but can’t lose a bunch, the game simply breaks and that’s not what HCL and the audience want to see.
No logic needed when you're arguing from emotional..😂
Yes, it is Martin’s prerogative to cash out early when he is winning. But he only gets to do that once. After that, he is no longer welcome and will have to find another game.
@@troycambo what’s up with ling?
Martin is the best player at the table…
Ofc he is. And as long as Airblow is still there it should be profitable for everyone, but they cry like babies. :D
He is fully in his right to walk away at any point in a cash game, returning after a good sleep while everyone is 17 hours into a session is not cool.
Keep in mind this is the guy who literally everyone in the poker community views as scummy and seemingly not above cheating. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Hes also not fun to watch on stream anyways. HCL should just formally retract any invitation to stream games as he causes too many issues wherever he goes it seems.
You’re in the minority with that L take….. he’s way more entertaining and tolerable than airball will ever be…. Airball was clearly jealous and couldn’t handle the smoke cause he’s a b*tch 😂
@TheRockisaBondMovie I don't like airball either. But people at the table like him. Martin is intentionally annoying in an attempt to get an edge. Airball is just having fun and sometimes goes too far with his jokes. You seem to be saying that you like Martin's antics and not Airball's, it's inconsistent, my gripe is with Martin constantly on the edge of courteous play and near angling. I don't like the crazy antics, but people like it sometimes. 23 hours into a stream it's OKAY that those at the table don't want to play with him, and I think he doesn't add anything meaningful to other streams, and the players don't like playing with him, so there should be no reason he gets to be a reg on the show which is one of the best games in the world. Don't reward bad behavior.
Martin is very suspect but just like HCL Martin fully investigated himself and found no evidence of cheating or anything illegal even though it might be possible .
@georgewbushcenterforintell147 "no evidence of cheating even though it might be possible." Yes, that's my point. He's constantly pushing the line of etiquette vs angle shooting, and the whole reason the rule of having to be seated while in a hand at the WSOP was implemented was because he was walking over to people and looking at the backs of their cards. That's not okay even if it's not cheating. Ultimately, it's no surprise these guys don't want to play with him fresh while they're pushing 20 hours at the table for some.
Martin is the djokovic of poker. The main issue is his winning and people being envious. If he was a cheater he'd be banned. Airball is the main driving force behind the gatekeeping because he realises martin is basically him(polarising focus of a table) but a winner not a long term clown loser.
Vertucci has no right to make that statement, he's part owner but not their fathers. Players have all the right to question other players' integrity while holding on to theirs. Vertucci is letting his authority go to his head. Clearly in the wrong, if anything this will be the death of Hustler, it only takes one person to F shits up.
Honestly for a bunch of ballers just not being able to give the guy a normal hand and then say they dont want to play him I had a great laugh.
Ryan: Why did you invite the most hated guy in poker?
Martin is one of the funniest players but why the hell would you want a super pro who’s had a fresh night of sleep playing at your table
You mean most annoying. He’s a try hard
@@Akgolf1234 he’s better than everyone sitting there lol
Then close the table. Don't leave it open and pick and choose. Seems like hindsight reasoning to justify an emotional reaction to me.
@@troycambo so I can see you have trouble explaining yourself . But I think I agree with you . I don’t blame the boys for not wanting to play with him.
@@troycambo You're literally replying to almost every single comment here like an emotional triggered clown and you want to talk about emotional reactions? 😄That's hilarious.
They were afraid to play with him, only Charlie admitted it, the other guys used the annoying thing as an excuse because of their egos. They should be afraid to play with him, he's a good player and he has an unfair advantage being rested, the idea of a 24 hour stream is that it's a marathon session but everyone is on a level playing field because they do the 24 hours together, if a weak player shows up rested it's not a problem but a fresh player that is also a strong player is a huge problem, there's no shame in admitting it but these guys have big egos.
When I started playing poker there were these things called newspapers, it was words printed on paper that would tell you the days news, weather etc. when I would get stuck and play all night these guys would show up at 7am with a coffee and one of these newspaper things and just wait for good hands while reading the paper and wreck all the overnight players, this is pretty much the same concept.
It is the players choice on who they want to play at the table with them it is their money so they can walk anytime they want to IMO.
Putting the bottles on the table was a big fu.
the whole point if cash games is that you can leave whenever the fuck you want
These dudes are all soft lol
If the table doesnt want him to sit thats totally fine ....BUT If Martin was asked to return in the morning perhaps they should have ran it by the table to save him the trip...BUT he is also a bigger DB for running away up 375k with a bs excuse.
I don't think Nik Airball leaving early is all that terrible considering the massive amounts of money he punts off on a consistent basis.
I would have no problem playing with M, you don't have to like him or fall into his antics, but you should know it is ALL a strategy, everything he does, and when he talk about "this important meeting" he is fully aware it sounds like bs, It is a setup, so he can go home, sleep and the get back into it in the morning knowing, him just being there all friendly acting , will push buttons and make the other tired players make even bigger mistakes. Good for them to make a stand!
Sounds like they’re gonna leave and they all have meetings.
It’s funny because if he was loud and annoying but a whale, they wouldn’t leave. But because he’s loud, annoying, and also a crusher, they want to leave 😂
Yeah. They should walk out. It’s the way you stay and play. When you win, you can’t walk out while you are up. In poker, you need to give people a chance to win it back.
Otherwise, you are not being fair to the other players. Yes, he can leave when he wants to but the next time he want someone to play with him and let’s say Martin ends up being down $200,000 and then everyone stands up and walk out winning his money, how would he feel knowing that they won’t let him win his money back?
Subscribed! Waiting to hear story about Airball being cheated in private game
Martin kebrel is the biggest nuisance to play with in poker. Add in the 18 hour mark at 6 am and it’s understandable why no one would want to play with him. He is an asshole and hit and run 2 days before.
MK is the 🐐, and would smash everyone. Those guys know they blow at poker
getting kicked out of this game could not of been too big a deal for Martin... I'm sure he got beat up everyday of his life.