It's totally fine if you leave after a horrendous beat. However, this is a streamed game, so... Not as much. He was just not in the mental state to continue playing, and he cared for himself.
Andy is a whiner that should STFU, just because Andy donks off 100s of thousands of dollars it doesn't mean other people want to lose that much. Eric didn't hit and run so Andy has nothing to complain about.
Absolutely. Especially if you were invited to the game and someone else vouched for you to get in the game. Even if it wasn't streamed I still think in the context of you not being a regular and you get invited it's bad etiquette
Obviously, there's nothing stopping him from leaving, but in these high stake games there are many people who would love to get in the game, but get shut out. So, if you were invited to play, there is a strong expectation that you will stay in the game until the stream is over. It's poor ettiquette to leave early unless you get gutted. He won't be invited back.
You shouldn't have to lose all your money to leave and if there's so many people that are trying to get in there getting shut out then they shouldn't have empty chairs
But in this situation, people are not standing around and waiting. They have to drive in from different parts of LA or even fly in for the game. They're not in the wings waiting. They have to be invited. So they are stuck at home. I've been a professional poker player for 15 years. It's just poor etiquette in this situation in these big games people are expected to play until the end. @@bryanjohnson8162
Unless you're a regular or a big name pro you're not gonna get invited unless you are willing to gamble. These games don't play like regular big games in a casino in many ways. In regular games, most of the players are much tighter. They want the stream to be entertaining.@@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr
I actually know Eric from my local casino, and he is playing way too big here. This guy was playing 1/2 just a few years ago. I don't know how he was even invited.
Andy was right to be pissed off but Eric was right to leave. Just don't invite Eric back (and he wasn't invited back after this). I have a feeling he was gambling with rent money.
@@houdinihir9549 It's not just any cash game. It's a televised live game, where the factors that play into whether or not you play (or get invited back) vary from that of a regular cash game on the casino floor.
BS, houdini. It was a private streamed game. You don't just pack up and go whenever you feel like it. I would ban both you and Eric from ever playing again.
It's within Erics rights to leave, but it's no wonder Andy gets annoyed about it. When they start 6-handed,. one player leaving is a big chunk of people on the table to start with. But if Eric was on tilt after that beat I don't blame him too much for not being able to think things through from others perspective. Maybe stakes were a bit too high for him so that beat hit too hard, but then he should not be there in the first place.
If they had to turn people away from playing in order to accommodate Eric why were they only playing 6-handed? Have more than 6 players if you don’t want the game to break.
6-max drives more action. Better for the stream. But, if they are playing 6 handed they need an alternate or verbal agreement to stay until certain time
I actually know Eric from my local casino, and he is playing way too big here. This guy was playing 1/2 just a few years ago. I don't know how he was even invited. Do you know when this stream was broadcasted ?
@@idarwish23 etiquette ends where 5 figures of cash begins. Besides, a “hit and run” refers to someone sitting down, winning, and leaving in a short amount of time. This guy just lost half his stack (while still being up for the day) and made a good judgement call not to play high stakes poker on tilt.
@@tumortim666 i actually don't know how long he actually played. I agree can't call it a hit and run - i guess major question. how long did he play? how much time left in stream. that would be key in determining if he left early.
Andy is totally chill as long as he’s the only pro in a super deep, loose game where he can add on to cover the table and none of his money can leave the table for 6 hours
im new to poker and after a few videos of drama with him involved i'm beginning to think the same. its a shame because i'm also taiwanese/chinese and would like to support him but he comes off a bit crybaby about these things
If the organizer wants a full table... have some players standing by, who would like the chance to get in, if a player drops out. This was so short of being a fully seated table, sounds like this in more a f'up by the organizer, than any of the players.
The main reason they don't want him to go is that they know he's tilted. If he stays, he's 100% guaranteed to give back all of the winnings. Any other posturing they have about wanting to keep the game going is simply what poker players do. Trying to separate you from your money.
I mean although that maybe true that one reason they want him to stay is because he's on tilt after such a pot and may play worse, that's clearly not the only reason for them to expect him to stay. Andy for example is a frequent player on these HCL streams and he wants these games to be high action obviously. Not only does Eric leaving take away the money Andy lost to him but it also promotes a nittier playstyle on the show and gives players the idea they can leave while up. It hurts the game as a whole and could encourage other players to play tighter when they appear on HCL games and leave while up more frequently. Not only that, but it could push away more of the action players you see on HCL and then Andy would have even less ideal players to play against. I'm not suggesting Eric is wrong for leaving, he has every right to leave and it seemed to be best for him. I'm simply saying that for the players left, this sucks and it sucks for the stream and HCL too, no doubt he never gets invited back as it's also HCL's right to do and what's best for them in the future. It's not a literal rule that he must stay and gamble all his money, but to deny that you're not somewhat obliged to play till the end of the stream on a streamed invite only cash game seems wrong to me. There maybe cases where it's more reasonable to leave, but can't say that leaving while you're still up a substantial amount is one of them.
Sure and I see recreationals who are stuck being annoyed at that all the time. Professionals should be professional and just accept they are winning with an edge regardless and act in a way that lets worse players feel comfortable and not detained until they lose everything.
He can leave, but it's bad for the game, and he can't be upset when they don't invite him back. I've never played those stakes, but a related situation occurs in any card room when the high game gets short-handed and is in danger of breaking. In that case, it's courteous for a player, though ready to leave, to play on for a while hoping new players arrive so his exit won't break the game. IMO, such courtesies are more a responsibility of regular players than casual ones.
I agree with you. I use to deal poker of over 15 years and see players get bullied into staying then go bust and are now mad because they wanted to leave.
In this specific scenario he shouldn’t leave as clearly it not just casual game. Sure if it’s a regular cash game and you feel tilted then leave. But if you’re invited to play in a special event leaving like that surely reduces future opportunities.
If not for the stream, I don't think there's any non-justification for the guy leaving -- whether he's in the money or just won a massive bet or anything. Of course, everyone else wants to keep him there -- they want an opportunity to take the money that's in his hands. The only rub is the stream -- but that's on the stream organizers to not include some kind of contract term. If the stream organizers didn't set that expectation up, that's their problem. Dude's not obligated to sit with you.
No player is going to sign a contract to stay on the stream without getting compensation. They are playing with their own money and are the ones generating the actual content and driving views to the stream. I suppose there are some dumb players on HCL that might do it, but anyone with talent wont.
They don't need one it's a social contract. Your allowed to play on the steam to provide entertainment. If your not entertaining or cause problems you don't get invited back. And he hasn't been since.
@@avery465 If he is a for profit player, I would bet he doesnt care either. The for profit players only put up with the nonsense to have access to the fish. Him leaving at that point says the fish pool wasnt worth catering to the stream. Also, it could be the stakes were too high for his bankroll, in which case he wouldnt play there again for that reason anyways.
Andy is just mad that he's down 150k and the game is going to break. He has an edge in the game and wants the fish to stay. Has nothing to do with show production. He wants his 150 back. It's a hit and run, Better call Saul.
It's his money, so obviously he can leave whenever he wants. In this scenario where it's a stream game that's pretty much a private game by invite only, you just need to understand the fact that you'll almost certainly never be invited back. If you're okay with that, then rack up and roll out.
Yea, I think he is wrong for leaving. Should have played until the end. If he really did have an agreement with someone that he was leaving early everyone playing should have been notified before hand.
I mean it sucks because it might break up the game but Andy isn't pissed because of that but because he won't get a chance to win back his money. So yeah it's fine that he left, the organizer should probably have people on standby if they care about the game not breaking up because at least for me, if I get tilted I'd rather just walk away, up or down.
I completely understand the argument of wanting him to stay and it being a bad look leaving. That said, as both a player and a viewer, I’d much rather someone leave and them get someone to take their seat, than them just folding the rest of the game/stream (aka what Airball has done before). But if they didn’t have someone to fill in AND the player leaving is tied to other players at the table, meaning they might leave if that player leaves, that’s different. Still a bad look regardless and would be very surprised if he was ever invited back.
Only if there is a customary rule that you will play a until a certain time or number of hands is this any issue with me. No player is under any obligation to play, and can do what they want with their own money. The only thing making this different to me and makes me question leaving is that it is a invite only game, and seems to be a "unwritten" rule to not leave the game early.
Is ok for him to leave but I have never done it in the past 20 years I've been playing. I lost track of how many times I stayed 3-4 hours longer so another player or two show up.
Reminds me of Phil H losing that pot to Eric Hicks (I think?) at the Bike, and immediately leaves. You're obviously free to stand up from a cash game at any point, and they are obviously free to be frustrated with some guy playing with scared money who leaves during the middle of a live stream. If you're tilted in a cash game, the best thing to do for yourself is to leave. I just also agree with Andy that it's trash to leave a streamed game while up a significant amount. I think Andy is particularly frustrated, because he plays through losing multiple buy ins. You just can't expect that level of professionalism from every player. Poker is full of all kinds of individuals.
Unwritten rule for who?...I use to deal and every casino I dealt in had the poker rules on the wall, but the last rule is the only one you need to know, it states Management can alter any of the rules above at anytime....lol
I understand what you are saying Johnathan, BUT there is no agreement, the show has to tell the players one is expected to play 5 hours is fair, if one does not go bust. these players need to make that agreement, or he pays 1000k penalty to each player if he wants to leave, have it in writing.
If this is TV show as you said it is, Jonathan, why is there not a contractual agreement ? Why is it that “obligation” is totally left to players poker etiquette ? It does not make sense.
I wonder if Eric was a little suspicious about the hand, stand up game is on, full house over full house, With a possible straight and flush on the board.
@@nicholi2789 hmm i thought it did, ik this happened after something bc i remember thinking damn they just got a whole asian game on friday instead dog normal crew
@@p777_ nope. This happened like two months ago. I remember specifically watching it and thinking Andy was acting like a cunt. Then he did it again a couple months later which was the incident you’re talking about.
It has always been downhill but the honeymoon phase of a new stream blinded people. They have ALWAYS been about drama to generate views instead of the poker. While it might work initially you need to keep ramping up the drama in order to keep the dopamine flowing.
I mean if i was running a poker game and invited a new face to come play, and he just wipes the floor with all of us over the corse of 2 hours then loses one hand and rage quits. Id be salty. And that doesnt even compare to a litteral televised poker stream.
Aces vs queen is wiping the floor now? Eric got lucky and Andy who is literally a pro, is tilted because he got coolered. Maybe fold queens on the turn or.... RUN IT TWICE???!! Andy literally ran it once hoping to felt this amateur player and then has the audacity to call him out for leaving lol.
I understand the players anger, but he was probably feeling the classic winners tilt, and he probably felt the feeling that if he kept playing he would have lost not only the profit but also start lossing big. So if he wasnt planning on being a regular on the game i dont blame him to be honest, cause as a professional poker player even tho i feel like i have my mindset undercontrol the winners tilt i once in a while feel is one of the worst there is, and can turn a good session into a nigthmare, so i try to stop playing too when i feel it.
It's unacceptable if a player wins a monster pot then leaves, but I wouldn't care if a player leaves the table after a massive cooler against him. But this game is more of an EVENT, i.e. broadcast livestream, reserved seating. To Andy's point, there should be rules for these livestreams such as commitment to play for six hours unless you've hit your declared stop loss, etc..
It's not a hit&run... he ran his buy-in up pretty big to $162k... lost roughly half his stack in a cooler hand and said i'm out. That's not egregious by any means. He's up $50k when walking out when a few mins earlier he was up $137k. Andy just crying for no reason. The dude isn't there to make sure Andy is has a full game from start to finish.
I follow a lot of poker but don't play. The fact that they are ok with people leaving when they lose money but not when they are winning says it all. I understand it's a stream but it's just greed and wanting to not let people leave with 'your' money. Obviously it's a thing in poker but it's just about taking people's money.
I mean there is a difference between leaving when you're up and leaving when you're down. I'm not saying it's not a double standard to an extent since it is, but leaving when you're down does imply you've bought in a few times and have been giving quite a bit of action or lost to several bad beats. You'd be more inclined to let someone like this leave because their mental must be all over the shop and be pretty tilted, in addition, they've all been there and can empathise with them. On the other side, leaving when you're up especially with 2hrs+ on the stream to go which by playing at the table suggests you're playing the length of the stream is promoting nitty play. I didn't watch this entire stream so I can't judge how much action Eric was actually giving, but he lost this big pot which sucks for him but he was still up and it was from a bad beat on Andy too, suggesting he can take the winnings from a bad beat but when he's on the other end of it he'll leave. It's his prerogative to leave when he wants, but to deny that it's disrespectful to those at the table and the stream is lying and he should understand he will likely never get an invite back. The big difference at least to me with leaving when up vs down on a streamed game like this is the context. These streamed games are meant to be entertaining and be high action, if you allow people to frequently leave when up it would encourage nitty play that denies action, which limits entertainment, the entire purpose of the stream. Leaving when down is a different story as it implies you've given reasonable action or even the most action and have had a bad run, which is good for the stream and doesn't promote this negative playstyle. So as I said, I think Eric has every right to leave as it's his money and he may feel like it's best for him to do so, but that doesn't mean he's hurting the game and stream he was partaking in and that HCL have every right to not invite him back in the future if he chooses to behave this way.
Yeah I think that it's bad etiquette but it's not breaking the rules or something like that. He just won't ever get invited on the stream again which I totally agree with.
I agree with Jonathan's point. If it is an open game, fair enough, if it's qn organised invitational game STREAMED then stay around and make sure you are bankrolled in order to play. Possibly Erik wasn't as aware of the situation qs he should have been beforr sitting down
Andys pissed because he doubled him up and is still stuck, Andy is out of line and the stream should be prepared with back ups. Having said that Eric shouldnt have left and I understand why he probably wont be invited back.
People have to realize stream games have some different, unwritten, rules. Things like don't hit and run, don't be a complete nit, and you're expected to play for the majority of the stream, if not the entire stream, unless you're getting absolutely crushed. If you play in the game and chose not to follow these guidelines, those who run the game won't invite you back. Eric has every right to leave, Andy has every right to be upset about it, and HCL has every right to not invite Eric back again.
Kinda confusing to me because i was watching a internet crusher saying you should 3 bet a little smaller when stacks are huge and you are saying the opposite?
Yes, is the actual opposite. If you have a big hand you want a lot of money in the pot, so larger 3 bets to reduce the SPR postflop. If you’re 3 bet bluffing, you can do whatever u want. What changes is preflop all ins, which are almost not existant when playing very deep.
There are hundreds of pros who would love to play on HCL but aren't given a spot. Under those circumstances it's a lot more understandable for Andy to be irritated when Eric, on his first appearance, leaves early. In a normal casino game you can leave whenever you want, of course.
I think there's an underlying etiquette for a stream you're there to play for the stream. If you're stuck a buyin or so it's whatever. But leaving up. Jesus. He can do what he wants but he shouldn't be invited back
Did he sign a contract to play x number of hours. Put it another way let's say he lost all his money are they going to make him take a loan out and keep playing or other players going to loan him money to keep playing? If there's no contract to play x number of hours he can leave. he should have stayed two blinds or got up to the bathroom come back for 15 mins pay the blinds then leave.
If he did tell Feldman that he was leaving early, it’s fine. But if that is total 🐂 💩 then that’s a problem. Feldman should have terms and conditions to prevent big winners from leaving early.
Just a question of etiquette. Andy said it best; there are a lot of people in the LA area that would love to play at this game but he managed to get invited and in fact, wasn't even directly invited but rather was a guest of the invited party. So yeah, it makes her look back for essentially vouching for him as a good addition to the stream and makes him look like he's just a guy taking a shot and didn't really belong at these stakes in the first place. I wouldn't expect to see either of them welcome back any time soon.
Poker ettiquette. If he said that an hour ago or even 30 mins ago that he will leave im the next X mins or round/hands than it would be much better than just leave after losing a hand.
Yeah I’d be the tilted asf after that hand too. Id do the same just because I know I might start playing like shit. It’s different if he won the hand but he just lost a massive hand I don’t get the issue
I play with my relatives. Every time I win big, they are not allow me to leave. They allow me to leave when I have less than before I started. I don’t see any point to play with people like that.
How many times have we wished we left earlier? Eric took a bad beat and I think figured he was playing over his head and left. I bet he doesn’t ever want to be invited back anyway! Good for him! We play to win, he won, go home and buy yourself a Porsche! It’s poker, leave whenever you want! It’s up to the host to decide to invite you back.
This is correct. He didn't belong in this game in the first place and after booking a 60K win (to him probably a massive night) and losing a 150K pot, he wanted to get up and get out. I doubt he gives a fuck whether or not he gets invited again lol
Why is no one mad at Ryan if Eric told him ahead of time that he was going to leave early. If that is true, Andy and the rest of them are out of line to give Eric crap. Of course no one wants to give it to Ryan because they want to come back to the game. Such babys. Take it up with Ryan after the game like grownups. We are, of course, not dealing with grownups.
If someone wants to leave they should give 60-90mins notice regardless of what happens. That way, nothing can be said… I’ve found that to be the best thing to do, say you win a huge pot 10mins before you go, no one can be mad…
It's bad to leave in this setup. It's not like at your regular game in the casino. It's a private game with pre-agreed start and end times so you should commit to the start and end time, unless obviously you get stacked and can't buy back in. He's tried to use this 'cooler' as a rationale to leave early with profit from a game everyone has come potentially from far to play.
I have no idea what his experience is with super high stakes, but the bottom line is to protect your roll. If you feel like continuing is only going to cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars, because you either are in over your head from a skill prospective or emotionally not able to handle that pressure, then you should get the frick out of that situation.
I don’t understand people that get angry when someone leaves a cash game with money. Isn’t that the goal?! I always leave after doubling up my buy-in - regardless of the situation - and people always get butthurt about it. Don’t they realize that I could just keep taking their money? That’s a real possibility - especially if I’m already up. Anyway, I get the whole thing about it being a stream. In that situation, you should probably stick around. Bad form.
I doubt it's possible but it'd be kinda cool if the casino was able to select a "loose cannon" player off the other tables and buy them into the stream game for a small stack. Even if they didn't last too long it's a proven concept that the chat will root hard for the cannons, and it fills a seat to shut Andy up. Sometimes players prove themselves to be non invite worthy, leave it at that and move on.
60k up, 2hrs to go, lost a big pot, he was sweating to leave, 5 players, rent to pay, couldn't get out of there fast enough, he should be done in that room for sure
Think it depends. Did Eric say beforehand he only had so long he could stay? Then it’s completely acceptable. If you get coolered like that, nothing wrong with taking a break for a few minutes to reset your head. That’s completely acceptable in any regard. I’m not a fan of taking a break after you win a massive pot. Of course there are exceptions. But most card rooms have gotten way more loose with phone rules and what not so you can take a quick call or send a text and still be involved in the next hand. Sure, if you’ve really gotta use the restroom, that’s also understandable. But just for a break after winning a big pot; I’m not a fan.
My opinion on this: Is it kinda bad etiquette to hit and run in poker.? Sure , but this isn’t a freeze out cash game , it’s your money right so do what you want. Maybe he was taking a shot got at a big game. Maybe he has a small bankroll who knows. There is no rule to play for winner take all if your up in a casino you don’t owe it to them to let them win there money back. If they told him before hand listen were streaming for x amount of hours we need people to play till the end sure he is wrong. But things happen Andy just on tilt.
You should know the stream poker etiquette before coming on the show. If you could only play a little while, then you should announce on the table that you are only playing till a certain time. And after taking a huge beat and still up 60k, you should take a walk for 10 minutes, and when u come back let the table know you are only playing for another 30 minutes or so. If you just rage quit and still book a big profit, you are being a cry baby and deserve to be ostracized forever!
It’s only ok to leave in that spot for me if you never wanna get invited back again, you are playing on stream w prominent players in a seat that was saved for you with two hours left and you are up like double what you bought in for you should never leave in that spot imo
That hand made the table stop lol. Absolute monster. I dont condone him leaving after that cooler. They should have replacements on deck for these situations.
Eric should have been going into the stream under the impression that unless he loses he plays until the stream ends. When you get invited to a streamed game aiming to run for “x” amount of hours a player should be prepared to play for “x” amount of hours. This is especially true when we see Eric was up 60K and essentially broke the game by leaving. Bad etiquette and he should never be invited back.
well, after a hand like this, the best thing is to walk away from the table, leave your chips there, and sit out. Everyone will understand. Then after half an hour or so, you decide if you camcontinue playing or not.
If he figures out that he's the spot at the table, AND the game implodes not long after he gets up, he made the right choice. Maybe he doesn't care about ever being invited back. Unless he's being paid to sit, he can do whatever he wants.
You can leave when you want but if you are winning and leave after getting up or take chips off the table that is a bad look and just wrong to me. I took a new guy to play a live game. He had only played online up until this point. He won a big pot and tried to take out his original buy-in and I had to tell him that he could not do that. There were a few guys that were about to lose their minds but I corrected him and had to explain to the other guys that he was new to poker and had never played a live game before. They understood and let it go. Luckily for him he did leave all his chips on the table because about 5-6 hands later he was all in with 2 callers and tripled up. He ended the night with around $2000 on a $200 buy in.
I don't know that's kind of the point of a cash game being able to leave whenever you want whether someone's videotaping it or not should be irrelevant and they can't even fill the table that would bother me...
In the casino any player has the right to get up and leave when they want. That being said he should not expect to ever get invited back to HCL honestly it would take brass ball for him to even contact Ryan and try to get back on
Its hard to get a seat in these games so if you want a seat you have to have a good rep or they take a chance on you so doing what eric did he wont be invited back big games are hard to find these days since the poker boom ended so when eric looks for another one with his rep he wont get a game
I was playing 1/2 one night with a max buyin of $300 for about 3 hours one night and got up to almost $3k in those few hours and was already only planning on staying a couple hours and stayed longer than I planned but when I got up literally everyone was crying 😂. I get it but I literally stayed longer than I really even should have so fuck it. In this case tho that’s extremely fked up 😂. Poor etiquette. Mine sure looked like poor etiquette but really I stayed as long as I could.
This isn't a normal game, it's a show. You play the duration unless you go broke... and then you shouldn't have been playing these stakes. You can't stop him leaving but never gets an invite back IMO
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Do you think Andy was right to be so angry at the fact that Eric left the game early? 🤔
Nope. But the guy won't be called back
It's totally fine if you leave after a horrendous beat. However, this is a streamed game, so... Not as much. He was just not in the mental state to continue playing, and he cared for himself.
Andy is a whiner that should STFU, just because Andy donks off 100s of thousands of dollars it doesn't mean other people want to lose that much. Eric didn't hit and run so Andy has nothing to complain about.
Absolutely. Especially if you were invited to the game and someone else vouched for you to get in the game. Even if it wasn't streamed I still think in the context of you not being a regular and you get invited it's bad etiquette
it's not illegal, only frowned upon. He's fine to leave early but he probably wont ever get invited back to play again in the future
Obviously, there's nothing stopping him from leaving, but in these high stake games there are many people who would love to get in the game, but get shut out. So, if you were invited to play, there is a strong expectation that you will stay in the game until the stream is over. It's poor ettiquette to leave early unless you get gutted. He won't be invited back.
More like, if you were invited to play on HCL you're a mark not a guest.
You shouldn't have to lose all your money to leave and if there's so many people that are trying to get in there getting shut out then they shouldn't have empty chairs
@@bryanjohnson8162amen 🙏
But in this situation, people are not standing around and waiting. They have to drive in from different parts of LA or even fly in for the game. They're not in the wings waiting. They have to be invited. So they are stuck at home. I've been a professional poker player for 15 years. It's just poor etiquette in this situation in these big games people are expected to play until the end.
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Unless you're a regular or a big name pro you're not gonna get invited unless you are willing to gamble. These games don't play like regular big games in a casino in many ways. In regular games, most of the players are much tighter. They want the stream to be entertaining.@@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr
He's okay to leave but I would never expect another invite.
sounds like a win win for him
I actually know Eric from my local casino, and he is playing way too big here. This guy was playing 1/2 just a few years ago. I don't know how he was even invited.
@@rockwithyou2006 carrot at end of stick
Saya brought him with her so she can get invited to the game. Saya was also never invited back because of this. @@rockwithyou2006
@@rockwithyou2006lol a few years ago is a long time. Ppl move up but yeah that is pretty big table jump lol
Andy was right to be pissed off but Eric was right to leave. Just don't invite Eric back (and he wasn't invited back after this). I have a feeling he was gambling with rent money.
It’s a cash game and you can leave whenever you want. Nobody can tell you to play longer.
@@houdinihir9549 It's not just any cash game. It's a televised live game, where the factors that play into whether or not you play (or get invited back) vary from that of a regular cash game on the casino floor.
BS, houdini. It was a private streamed game. You don't just pack up and go whenever you feel like it. I would ban both you and Eric from ever playing again.
Rent money? Like $60000 is rent money?!!
@@skelthouser2730lol. Terrible take. He obviously has the right to
Leave whenever he wants. And HCL has the right to never invite him back.
It's within Erics rights to leave, but it's no wonder Andy gets annoyed about it. When they start 6-handed,. one player leaving is a big chunk of people on the table to start with. But if Eric was on tilt after that beat I don't blame him too much for not being able to think things through from others perspective. Maybe stakes were a bit too high for him so that beat hit too hard, but then he should not be there in the first place.
Andy is also upset at Saya because she was invited because she brought Eric.
i mean he could just take a break and come back later, leaving outright is very poor etiquette.
Just saw him walking out with a bunch of dough, good for him! It’s his money and he put it in play. Why don’t they have back up players?
@@MichaelHendrie-e7t They don't want someone else's money though lol. They want to get the loot back from Eric 😂
@@MichaelHendrie-e7t I agree with you 100% these players are babies.
If they had to turn people away from playing in order to accommodate Eric why were they only playing 6-handed? Have more than 6 players if you don’t want the game to break.
They were needling him
6-max drives more action. Better for the stream. But, if they are playing 6 handed they need an alternate or verbal agreement to stay until certain time
@@stevenwalker9013 9max also just takes longer..
Players sing want more than 7. They want to gamble
him leaving is an absolute tell he is playing over his head and afraid to continue. Thats my 2 cents.
I actually know Eric from my local casino, and he is playing way too big here. This guy was playing 1/2 just a few years ago. I don't know how he was even invited. Do you know when this stream was broadcasted ?
If that's the case, staying any longer would have made him a fool. He made the right decision if you're correct.
@@tumortim666 leaving maybe best for him - but its that unspoken rule on a live stream. You cant hit and run.
@@idarwish23 etiquette ends where 5 figures of cash begins. Besides, a “hit and run” refers to someone sitting down, winning, and leaving in a short amount of time. This guy just lost half his stack (while still being up for the day) and made a good judgement call not to play high stakes poker on tilt.
@@tumortim666 i actually don't know how long he actually played. I agree can't call it a hit and run - i guess major question. how long did he play? how much time left in stream. that would be key in determining if he left early.
Andy is totally chill as long as he’s the only pro in a super deep, loose game where he can add on to cover the table and none of his money can leave the table for 6 hours
im new to poker and after a few videos of drama with him involved i'm beginning to think the same. its a shame because i'm also taiwanese/chinese and would like to support him but he comes off a bit crybaby about these things
Andy was only mad because he left with money. Had he got busted it would have been “ok man have a great night, come back and see me” Hahaha
well yea that's what they said.
Can’t have it both ways
If the organizer wants a full table... have some players standing by, who would like the chance to get in, if a player drops out. This was so short of being a fully seated table, sounds like this in more a f'up by the organizer, than any of the players.
Unless they agreed to staying for a certain amount of time beforehand, if someone wants to leave, let them leave
That was not the q , you can leave whenever and he did , but he is a dick and will never be back
The main reason they don't want him to go is that they know he's tilted. If he stays, he's 100% guaranteed to give back all of the winnings.
Any other posturing they have about wanting to keep the game going is simply what poker players do. Trying to separate you from your money.
I mean although that maybe true that one reason they want him to stay is because he's on tilt after such a pot and may play worse, that's clearly not the only reason for them to expect him to stay. Andy for example is a frequent player on these HCL streams and he wants these games to be high action obviously. Not only does Eric leaving take away the money Andy lost to him but it also promotes a nittier playstyle on the show and gives players the idea they can leave while up. It hurts the game as a whole and could encourage other players to play tighter when they appear on HCL games and leave while up more frequently. Not only that, but it could push away more of the action players you see on HCL and then Andy would have even less ideal players to play against.
I'm not suggesting Eric is wrong for leaving, he has every right to leave and it seemed to be best for him. I'm simply saying that for the players left, this sucks and it sucks for the stream and HCL too, no doubt he never gets invited back as it's also HCL's right to do and what's best for them in the future. It's not a literal rule that he must stay and gamble all his money, but to deny that you're not somewhat obliged to play till the end of the stream on a streamed invite only cash game seems wrong to me. There maybe cases where it's more reasonable to leave, but can't say that leaving while you're still up a substantial amount is one of them.
It's valid. The feeling of the winner leaving when you're down really sucks and can't imagine the pain at higher stakes.
Sure and I see recreationals who are stuck being annoyed at that all the time. Professionals should be professional and just accept they are winning with an edge regardless and act in a way that lets worse players feel comfortable and not detained until they lose everything.
He can leave, but it's bad for the game, and he can't be upset when they don't invite him back. I've never played those stakes, but a related situation occurs in any card room when the high game gets short-handed and is in danger of breaking. In that case, it's courteous for a player, though ready to leave, to play on for a while hoping new players arrive so his exit won't break the game. IMO, such courtesies are more a responsibility of regular players than casual ones.
Hit and run a short handed super high stakes table. I love it
I'm getting a kick out of it.
welp he wont be back anymore but up 60k
I get it’s a stream and you want people to stay, but Andy trying to guilt him into staying to try and grind more money off him is scummy asf
I agree with you. I use to deal poker of over 15 years and see players get bullied into staying then go bust and are now mad because they wanted to leave.
In this specific scenario he shouldn’t leave as clearly it not just casual game. Sure if it’s a regular cash game and you feel tilted then leave. But if you’re invited to play in a special event leaving like that surely reduces future opportunities.
If not for the stream, I don't think there's any non-justification for the guy leaving -- whether he's in the money or just won a massive bet or anything. Of course, everyone else wants to keep him there -- they want an opportunity to take the money that's in his hands. The only rub is the stream -- but that's on the stream organizers to not include some kind of contract term. If the stream organizers didn't set that expectation up, that's their problem. Dude's not obligated to sit with you.
No player is going to sign a contract to stay on the stream without getting compensation. They are playing with their own money and are the ones generating the actual content and driving views to the stream.
I suppose there are some dumb players on HCL that might do it, but anyone with talent wont.
They don't need one it's a social contract. Your allowed to play on the steam to provide entertainment. If your not entertaining or cause problems you don't get invited back. And he hasn't been since.
Yeah Andy whining and bitching for half the stream like a c.nt.
@@avery465 If he is a for profit player, I would bet he doesnt care either. The for profit players only put up with the nonsense to have access to the fish.
Him leaving at that point says the fish pool wasnt worth catering to the stream. Also, it could be the stakes were too high for his bankroll, in which case he wouldnt play there again for that reason anyways.
@@avery465 If someone gives me $60,000 I will accept not getting invited.
Andy is just mad that he's down 150k and the game is going to break. He has an edge in the game and wants the fish to stay. Has nothing to do with show production. He wants his 150 back. It's a hit and run, Better call Saul.
It's his money, so obviously he can leave whenever he wants.
In this scenario where it's a stream game that's pretty much a private game by invite only, you just need to understand the fact that you'll almost certainly never be invited back. If you're okay with that, then rack up and roll out.
Yea, I think he is wrong for leaving. Should have played until the end. If he really did have an agreement with someone that he was leaving early everyone playing should have been notified before hand.
I mean it sucks because it might break up the game but Andy isn't pissed because of that but because he won't get a chance to win back his money. So yeah it's fine that he left, the organizer should probably have people on standby if they care about the game not breaking up because at least for me, if I get tilted I'd rather just walk away, up or down.
I think he should at least stay until the end of the stream unless he announced at the beginning of the game that when he would leave.
I completely understand the argument of wanting him to stay and it being a bad look leaving. That said, as both a player and a viewer, I’d much rather someone leave and them get someone to take their seat, than them just folding the rest of the game/stream (aka what Airball has done before). But if they didn’t have someone to fill in AND the player leaving is tied to other players at the table, meaning they might leave if that player leaves, that’s different.
Still a bad look regardless and would be very surprised if he was ever invited back.
Only if there is a customary rule that you will play a until a certain time or number of hands is this any issue with me. No player is under any obligation to play, and can do what they want with their own money. The only thing making this different to me and makes me question leaving is that it is a invite only game, and seems to be a "unwritten" rule to not leave the game early.
Agree allowed and etiquette are different. didn't get invited back understandably.
Is ok for him to leave but I have never done it in the past 20 years I've been playing. I lost track of how many times I stayed 3-4 hours longer so another player or two show up.
Reminds me of Phil H losing that pot to Eric Hicks (I think?) at the Bike, and immediately leaves. You're obviously free to stand up from a cash game at any point, and they are obviously free to be frustrated with some guy playing with scared money who leaves during the middle of a live stream. If you're tilted in a cash game, the best thing to do for yourself is to leave. I just also agree with Andy that it's trash to leave a streamed game while up a significant amount. I think Andy is particularly frustrated, because he plays through losing multiple buy ins. You just can't expect that level of professionalism from every player. Poker is full of all kinds of individuals.
It's an unwritten rule. Some follow some don't. Just remember who don't.
Unwritten rule for who?...I use to deal and every casino I dealt in had the poker rules on the wall, but the last rule is the only one you need to know, it states Management can alter any of the rules above at anytime....lol
I understand what you are saying Johnathan, BUT there is no agreement, the show has to tell the players one is expected to play 5 hours is fair, if one does not go bust. these players need to make that agreement, or he pays 1000k penalty to each player if he wants to leave, have it in writing.
If this is TV show as you said it is, Jonathan, why is there not a contractual agreement ? Why is it that “obligation” is totally left to players poker etiquette ? It does not make sense.
If he got felted and left, would they cry as much?
Can you share the original link to this live stream please?
What are the rules playing for a live stream???
Why was there only 6 players to start??? Seems like there isn’t anyone else wanting to play that day so Eric seem to be a filler
Andy saying Eric took someone's seat 🤡
6:45 👈🏼😂 That reaction was priceless !! OMG what?? Dude, you have the 5th nuts !! 🤦🏻♂️🤣
I wonder if Eric was a little suspicious about the hand, stand up game is on, full house over full house, With a possible straight and flush on the board.
What 😂
this happening right after the rampage, jungle, and andy situation really made the hustler stream go down hill as of recently
This actually happened way before that
@@nicholi2789 hmm i thought it did, ik this happened after something bc i remember thinking damn they just got a whole asian game on friday instead dog normal crew
@@p777_ nope. This happened like two months ago. I remember specifically watching it and thinking Andy was acting like a cunt. Then he did it again a couple months later which was the incident you’re talking about.
It has always been downhill but the honeymoon phase of a new stream blinded people. They have ALWAYS been about drama to generate views instead of the poker.
While it might work initially you need to keep ramping up the drama in order to keep the dopamine flowing.
what happened with Rampage, Jungle and Andy?
I mean if i was running a poker game and invited a new face to come play, and he just wipes the floor with all of us over the corse of 2 hours then loses one hand and rage quits. Id be salty. And that doesnt even compare to a litteral televised poker stream.
Aces vs queen is wiping the floor now? Eric got lucky and Andy who is literally a pro, is tilted because he got coolered. Maybe fold queens on the turn or.... RUN IT TWICE???!! Andy literally ran it once hoping to felt this amateur player and then has the audacity to call him out for leaving lol.
No one cares how you feel about anything.
@aheroictaxidriver3180 yet you still took time to comment. But right on bro. 😅
@@tykingery9161 One free lesson.
I understand the players anger, but he was probably feeling the classic winners tilt, and he probably felt the feeling that if he kept playing he would have lost not only the profit but also start lossing big. So if he wasnt planning on being a regular on the game i dont blame him to be honest, cause as a professional poker player even tho i feel like i have my mindset undercontrol the winners tilt i once in a while feel is one of the worst there is, and can turn a good session into a nigthmare, so i try to stop playing too when i feel it.
I can relate to that
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Tony G do the same thing when folding AA in million dollars game?
It's unacceptable if a player wins a monster pot then leaves, but I wouldn't care if a player leaves the table after a massive cooler against him. But this game is more of an EVENT, i.e. broadcast livestream, reserved seating. To Andy's point, there should be rules for these livestreams such as commitment to play for six hours unless you've hit your declared stop loss, etc..
It's not a hit&run... he ran his buy-in up pretty big to $162k... lost roughly half his stack in a cooler hand and said i'm out. That's not egregious by any means. He's up $50k when walking out when a few mins earlier he was up $137k. Andy just crying for no reason. The dude isn't there to make sure Andy is has a full game from start to finish.
Andys demeanor has changed significantly since Garrett has left. He should fine a new stream.
Yeah hes different i think his losses are catching up with him
I follow a lot of poker but don't play. The fact that they are ok with people leaving when they lose money but not when they are winning says it all. I understand it's a stream but it's just greed and wanting to not let people leave with 'your' money. Obviously it's a thing in poker but it's just about taking people's money.
Spot on!!
I mean there is a difference between leaving when you're up and leaving when you're down. I'm not saying it's not a double standard to an extent since it is, but leaving when you're down does imply you've bought in a few times and have been giving quite a bit of action or lost to several bad beats. You'd be more inclined to let someone like this leave because their mental must be all over the shop and be pretty tilted, in addition, they've all been there and can empathise with them.
On the other side, leaving when you're up especially with 2hrs+ on the stream to go which by playing at the table suggests you're playing the length of the stream is promoting nitty play. I didn't watch this entire stream so I can't judge how much action Eric was actually giving, but he lost this big pot which sucks for him but he was still up and it was from a bad beat on Andy too, suggesting he can take the winnings from a bad beat but when he's on the other end of it he'll leave. It's his prerogative to leave when he wants, but to deny that it's disrespectful to those at the table and the stream is lying and he should understand he will likely never get an invite back.
The big difference at least to me with leaving when up vs down on a streamed game like this is the context. These streamed games are meant to be entertaining and be high action, if you allow people to frequently leave when up it would encourage nitty play that denies action, which limits entertainment, the entire purpose of the stream. Leaving when down is a different story as it implies you've given reasonable action or even the most action and have had a bad run, which is good for the stream and doesn't promote this negative playstyle.
So as I said, I think Eric has every right to leave as it's his money and he may feel like it's best for him to do so, but that doesn't mean he's hurting the game and stream he was partaking in and that HCL have every right to not invite him back in the future if he chooses to behave this way.
@@seanmaguire9950 Andy doesn’t leave early because he never wins. He’s a Lego chip builder
Yeah I think that it's bad etiquette but it's not breaking the rules or something like that. He just won't ever get invited on the stream again which I totally agree with.
I agree with Jonathan's point. If it is an open game, fair enough, if it's qn organised invitational game STREAMED then stay around and make sure you are bankrolled in order to play. Possibly Erik wasn't as aware of the situation qs he should have been beforr sitting down
Andys pissed because he doubled him up and is still stuck, Andy is out of line and the stream should be prepared with back ups. Having said that Eric shouldnt have left and I understand why he probably wont be invited back.
Someone who hit & runs either don't get invited back or gets no action when they do play
People have to realize stream games have some different, unwritten, rules. Things like don't hit and run, don't be a complete nit, and you're expected to play for the majority of the stream, if not the entire stream, unless you're getting absolutely crushed. If you play in the game and chose not to follow these guidelines, those who run the game won't invite you back. Eric has every right to leave, Andy has every right to be upset about it, and HCL has every right to not invite Eric back again.
Righty right right
Andy running his mouth until Eric came back in the room and then has nothing to say? clown
Kinda confusing to me because i was watching a internet crusher saying you should 3 bet a little smaller when stacks are huge and you are saying the opposite?
Yes, is the actual opposite. If you have a big hand you want a lot of money in the pot, so larger 3 bets to reduce the SPR postflop. If you’re 3 bet bluffing, you can do whatever u want. What changes is preflop all ins, which are almost not existant when playing very deep.
@@AlbertoGarcia-px9ml when you get to like 300 bb deep I think you want to go smaller just because they are going to call with anything anyway
He said he told Ryan he was leaving early. So we would need to know what his agreement with Ryan was.
Justified or otherwise, the whole energy dynamic at the table changed 😳
There are hundreds of pros who would love to play on HCL but aren't given a spot. Under those circumstances it's a lot more understandable for Andy to be irritated when Eric, on his first appearance, leaves early. In a normal casino game you can leave whenever you want, of course.
I think there's an underlying etiquette for a stream you're there to play for the stream. If you're stuck a buyin or so it's whatever. But leaving up. Jesus. He can do what he wants but he shouldn't be invited back
It's always ok to leave. However, you should stay if it's being televised. At house games people come and leave all the time. But this is "TV"
Did he sign a contract to play x number of hours. Put it another way let's say he lost all his money are they going to make him take a loan out and keep playing or other players going to loan him money to keep playing? If there's no contract to play x number of hours he can leave. he should have stayed two blinds or got up to the bathroom come back for 15 mins pay the blinds then leave.
i am re-posting another comment which (to me) is on point: "He's okay to leave but I would never expect another invite."
He can leave if he was on a general cash game table. But that was a streaming table.
If he did tell Feldman that he was leaving early, it’s fine. But if that is total 🐂 💩 then that’s a problem. Feldman should have terms and conditions to prevent big winners from leaving early.
If he wants terms from the guys putting up the money and being the talent, then he'll need to compensate them, which he wont.
Just a question of etiquette. Andy said it best; there are a lot of people in the LA area that would love to play at this game but he managed to get invited and in fact, wasn't even directly invited but rather was a guest of the invited party. So yeah, it makes her look back for essentially vouching for him as a good addition to the stream and makes him look like he's just a guy taking a shot and didn't really belong at these stakes in the first place. I wouldn't expect to see either of them welcome back any time soon.
Poker ettiquette. If he said that an hour ago or even 30 mins ago that he will leave im the next X mins or round/hands than it would be much better than just leave after losing a hand.
It’s his money he had the right to take it home, but I think Andy is correct in saying we will not see him again.
Thats a jacked up beat he just experienced. I can’t imagine how tilted he was after losing with jacks full.
Yeah I’d be the tilted asf after that hand too. Id do the same just because I know I might start playing like shit. It’s different if he won the hand but he just lost a massive hand I don’t get the issue
I play with my relatives. Every time I win big, they are not allow me to leave. They allow me to leave when I have less than before I started. I don’t see any point to play with people like that.
How many times have we wished we left earlier? Eric took a bad beat and I think figured he was playing over his head and left. I bet he doesn’t ever want to be invited back anyway! Good for him! We play to win, he won, go home and buy yourself a Porsche! It’s poker, leave whenever you want! It’s up to the host to decide to invite you back.
Andy just being a clown like always. Crying like he's on his period
This is correct. He didn't belong in this game in the first place and after booking a 60K win (to him probably a massive night) and losing a 150K pot, he wanted to get up and get out. I doubt he gives a fuck whether or not he gets invited again lol
Why is no one mad at Ryan if Eric told him ahead of time that he was going to leave early. If that is true, Andy and the rest of them are out of line to give Eric crap. Of course no one wants to give it to Ryan because they want to come back to the game. Such babys. Take it up with Ryan after the game like grownups. We are, of course, not dealing with grownups.
If someone wants to leave they should give 60-90mins notice regardless of what happens. That way, nothing can be said…
I’ve found that to be the best thing to do, say you win a huge pot 10mins before you go, no one can be mad…
It's bad to leave in this setup. It's not like at your regular game in the casino. It's a private game with pre-agreed start and end times so you should commit to the start and end time, unless obviously you get stacked and can't buy back in. He's tried to use this 'cooler' as a rationale to leave early with profit from a game everyone has come potentially from far to play.
I have no idea what his experience is with super high stakes, but the bottom line is to protect your roll. If you feel like continuing is only going to cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars, because you either are in over your head from a skill prospective or emotionally not able to handle that pressure, then you should get the frick out of that situation.
No he shouldn't leave the stream, common sense, especially if you are winning for al the resons said in the stream
I don’t understand people that get angry when someone leaves a cash game with money. Isn’t that the goal?! I always leave after doubling up my buy-in - regardless of the situation - and people always get butthurt about it. Don’t they realize that I could just keep taking their money? That’s a real possibility - especially if I’m already up.
Anyway, I get the whole thing about it being a stream. In that situation, you should probably stick around. Bad form.
he is allowed but not okay. this is a production. different than a normal game
I doubt it's possible but it'd be kinda cool if the casino was able to select a "loose cannon" player off the other tables and buy them into the stream game for a small stack. Even if they didn't last too long it's a proven concept that the chat will root hard for the cannons, and it fills a seat to shut Andy up. Sometimes players prove themselves to be non invite worthy, leave it at that and move on.
60k up, 2hrs to go, lost a big pot, he was sweating to leave, 5 players, rent to pay, couldn't get out of there fast enough, he should be done in that room for sure
Think it depends. Did Eric say beforehand he only had so long he could stay? Then it’s completely acceptable.
If you get coolered like that, nothing wrong with taking a break for a few minutes to reset your head. That’s completely acceptable in any regard. I’m not a fan of taking a break after you win a massive pot. Of course there are exceptions. But most card rooms have gotten way more loose with phone rules and what not so you can take a quick call or send a text and still be involved in the next hand. Sure, if you’ve really gotta use the restroom, that’s also understandable. But just for a break after winning a big pot; I’m not a fan.
Everyone in the chat seems to miss the point lol. "he's within his rights to leave blah blah blah" not the point people
Its not fun if u cant hit and run
My opinion on this: Is it kinda bad etiquette to hit and run in poker.? Sure , but this isn’t a freeze out cash game , it’s your money right so do what you want. Maybe he was taking a shot got at a big game. Maybe he has a small bankroll who knows. There is no rule to play for winner take all if your up in a casino you don’t owe it to them to let them win there money back. If they told him before hand listen were streaming for x amount of hours we need people to play till the end sure he is wrong. But things happen Andy just on tilt.
You should know the stream poker etiquette before coming on the show. If you could only play a little while, then you should announce on the table that you are only playing till a certain time.
And after taking a huge beat and still up 60k, you should take a walk for 10 minutes, and when u come back let the table know you are only playing for another 30 minutes or so.
If you just rage quit and still book a big profit, you are being a cry baby and deserve to be ostracized forever!
It’s only ok to leave in that spot for me if you never wanna get invited back again, you are playing on stream w prominent players in a seat that was saved for you with two hours left and you are up like double what you bought in for you should never leave in that spot imo
58k is not a jillion dollars crybabies. Hit and runs are always fun.
Not in this game it’s not ok. You got picked for a live stream there’s an implied commitment especially if your still up 60k.
That hand made the table stop lol. Absolute monster. I dont condone him leaving after that cooler. They should have replacements on deck for these situations.
Yeah if he just said “I need a 15-20 minute break” people would get it.
they had 2 open seats already. Feldman can't fill his games.
Eric should have been going into the stream under the impression that unless he loses he plays until the stream ends. When you get invited to a streamed game aiming to run for “x” amount of hours a player should be prepared to play for “x” amount of hours. This is especially true when we see Eric was up 60K and essentially broke the game by leaving. Bad etiquette and he should never be invited back.
If there were so many people that wanted to play in that game then it shouldn’t have been only 6 handed also call them up about the open spot.
stacks has become a baby
well, after a hand like this, the best thing is to walk away from the table, leave your chips there, and sit out. Everyone will understand. Then after half an hour or so, you decide if you camcontinue playing or not.
Nah eric leaving wasnt the worst thing . He didnt pay everybody for losing the stand up game was probably the worst thing😂
I always give a little notice before leaving. Give at least one orbits notice. Seems to drive action at low stakes, too.
If he figures out that he's the spot at the table, AND the game implodes not long after he gets up, he made the right choice. Maybe he doesn't care about ever being invited back. Unless he's being paid to sit, he can do whatever he wants.
You can leave when you want but if you are winning and leave after getting up or take chips off the table that is a bad look and just wrong to me. I took a new guy to play a live game. He had only played online up until this point. He won a big pot and tried to take out his original buy-in and I had to tell him that he could not do that. There were a few guys that were about to lose their minds but I corrected him and had to explain to the other guys that he was new to poker and had never played a live game before. They understood and let it go. Luckily for him he did leave all his chips on the table because about 5-6 hands later he was all in with 2 callers and tripled up. He ended the night with around $2000 on a $200 buy in.
I don't know that's kind of the point of a cash game being able to leave whenever you want whether someone's videotaping it or not should be irrelevant and they can't even fill the table that would bother me...
In the casino any player has the right to get up and leave when they want. That being said he should not expect to ever get invited back to HCL honestly it would take brass ball for him to even contact Ryan and try to get back on
Its hard to get a seat in these games so if you want a seat you have to have a good rep or they take a chance on you so doing what eric did he wont be invited back big games are hard to find these days since the poker boom ended so when eric looks for another one with his rep he wont get a game
I was playing 1/2 one night with a max buyin of $300 for about 3 hours one night and got up to almost $3k in those few hours and was already only planning on staying a couple hours and stayed longer than I planned but when I got up literally everyone was crying 😂. I get it but I literally stayed longer than I really even should have so fuck it. In this case tho that’s extremely fked up 😂. Poor etiquette. Mine sure looked like poor etiquette but really I stayed as long as I could.
Everyone can leave early too. There is no rule for that. Besides, what if somebody has an emergency call?.
This isn't a normal game, it's a show. You play the duration unless you go broke... and then you shouldn't have been playing these stakes. You can't stop him leaving but never gets an invite back IMO
Will left the game to quarrel his twin brother about his poor ettiquette 😂