Andy was always a 100% correct gentleman. never complains, never rants. this is the first time i saw him really upset. uncalled for by Nick to come back at him like he did.
Yeah It's interesting the politics of the private game world, but I think high stakes pros need to be more accommodating and smart about it, robl has latched onto jrb and is able to play in the biggest games because of his relationships he's cultivated, poker is so toxic when predators want nothing but money poker I feel needs to be more social and lively and even if you are trying to win you gotta give a little to get what you want
@@julianvigil5276yea. Definitely shows a dynamic u would never think about or realize. Like u would think since it’s in a casino it’s an open game. Imo They should make it more open with more straddles.
Yea id say not a good look when all the winners are gone and the 3 big losers (of the night) were the last ones sitting there. Crazy! They shoulda told everyone Nik and Santosh had to leave early and all this coulda been avoided. Maybe they need a new person running this shit.
Yeah, and I mean he's a beast. Last thing you wanna do is sit three handed in a broke game with that dude. That's why all of them racking after the whales go.
@@Jacob32905how do you call any of these guys whales? Who are you? Oh right, someone unheard of watching these guys for hours and talking shit about them. Get a life.
Well, he was threatening HCL publicly with not playing anymore if that happens again... Nick and/or Ryan kind of have to follow that up. Even though I prefer Andy way over Vertucci and extremely over airball, he is just in the wrong here. Jungle and Rampage handled it way better, even though Jungle lost more EV than Andy when they left
You are pretty damn naive if you do not understand that Nick and the HCL is a part of these private games.. HCL literally do only exist to attract wealthy wales to these private games.. What do you think they earn their money from.. Tips and youtube-revenue? LOL
@@christianschneider1499 Proper response was "These players are all adults and they can do what they want. If they want to go play another game, that's their business. We appreciate Andy's frustration, but it's not really in our control." It's not like HCL can do anything about it anyway. If you twist the arm of a high stakes player they'll just find a friendlier game.
Biggest life lesson here in Poker. Ppl at the table who you casually converse with for weeks, laughing at your jokes, sharing dinner with you, thinking they’re your friends, aren’t. When LOTS of money is involved and you’re trying to take it from the same person, I’m sorry.
@@lmanzo87that’s kind of unfair. Rampage has never walked from the table as far as I know. Seems like a genuinely good guy who can enjoys playing and the experience as well. I honestly think he was trying to do right by Hustler and the other players as well as the fans watching.
Vertucci should actually be sticking up for Andy here! Wtf?! Vertucci owns the stream! Everyone leaves, that looks terrible for the stream… but hes mad at Andy, and not Airball??? Andy actually stayed to finish the stream! Thats so stupid….
Almost like Airball has something on Vertucci, Feldman, and Hustler....mmmmm, I wonder what he knows that allows him a free pass...mmmmmm. Any guesses. I'll give you a hint, it started when Airball mercilessly insulted Tal and Linglin. A certain player at that table went to HCL and got Airball suspended. Airball wanted revenge and....
@@lstruggy we had a guy in Tampa who would always make up a story why he had to leave (after he won big), then he'd wander around the property for an hour and come back to minbuy
Airball is the biggest POS always laughing at players and talking shit after they get stacked. Especially the way he kept needling jungle is just uncalled for. Keep it up guy that’s why you’ll continue to run the way you do.
Nah, the first part is right. If it is true with the private game, it shouldn't happen. But still, no one is entitled to them staying. The second part threatening HCL is not professional
@@christianschneider1499professional? WTF does he have to be professional?? I think what he did was extremely professional, this is for entertainment and what he said was just that and quite frankly needed to be said. You can’t keep letting snakes be snakes in these games. You gotta get over yourself buddy😂
I give Andy credit for speaking up whenever he feels something is wrong. He had to talk to Ryan about Wesley buying in way short for one of their high limit games before.
Martin (Up 330K): "I need to go for meeting in Santa Monica. In my mind, I'm somewhere else on the meeting". Andy (Down 600K): "What's the meeting?" Martin: "Yeah ... like ... I need to discuss something with a very smart guy from here." Everybody: Mmmmm .... okay?
At these stakes and with certain players, the politics, just like Andy said, comes into play. If they agreed to play for a certain amount of time, it should be known to everybody. Probably didn't want to tell them because others might not have played. Andy no doubt wouldn't have. These high stakes invite or private games have a lot more seriousness and etiquette than a casual stakes game out on the floor. Martin just bullshitted his way out. I definitely can side with Andy here.
That’s bs man not only did they not say if Andy knew you think he would have taken the early risky calls all while Nik and santhosh for that matter playing tight when they never do
First and foremost this fuck up is on Ryan. Since he had foreknowledge of early departures he was pretty much obligated to let everyone know such info. Seat time absolutely matters. Also, did Ryan upon be advised of early departures make any effort to locate others to keep the game going? It sounds like he had several hours to work on this.
lol how naive are you? The stream literally only exist to attract wealthy wales to the private games, off the stream.. This is what Ryan and Nick do for their living.. :D
@@andersnielsen6044 pretty much... just look how they promote super-whales like Reza, Santosh, the black guy with the cap I just don't remember. Don't wanna know the practices that Feldman and scummyNic have to let pros play whales. Its probably big $$$
Guy got pissed at Andy instead of doing the decent think and agreeing with him and apologizing. For all his talk about ethics and honesty, vertucci is actually the world’s biggest scumbag. Never apologized or taken ownership for anything. And he has done many wrongs.
@@lotharheinz5481 i dont get why ryan and nick are supported this much.. they are shady and lame .. they just have a big platform but are highly unethical.. just look at the gman robbie fiasco
I agree with Andy. If you agree to go on stream, you should only leave if you have a set amount to lose stated at beginning of the game or state your stay before action starts. So happy that santos and Airball booked losses on the 24 hr stream
I am starting to think HCL is losing its illustrious place in the eco, and an upstart stream with the foresight to avoid repeating its mistakes is on the horizon.
Agreed, Nick Vertucci’s ego is out of this world and he alone will sink the ship. Besides that, the game has had multiple scandals with more than 1 player being exposed as a cheat or scam artist as of today with Mars and Ryusuke revelations. The fact G-man has boycott it says a LOT about the games integrity now. In general I feel like the game has evolved into a much more toxic environment for the players, and it’s gone from being entertaining to being a shit show.
if you watched the whole thing rampage said that he was told by ryan that santosh was going to leave early. Nik was already being a nit and wasnt giving any action and being salty so he just followed santosh.
I think my favorite thing was seeing my boy Rampage stick it thru for as long as physically possible to keep the stream entertaining. Sad to see he lost so much but Jungle is TOUGH heads up so props to him for even sticking around
I think he knows playing Jungle heads ups who has the edge, But i think he also knows its great content for him. But yeah Jungle is one of the best forsure.
People that say you can leave anytime are just making excuses for being scumbags and hit and running. If i'm winning I always give a good heads up and try to keep the game going, especially in a home game setting. Casino is different but it's still bad etitiquite to hit and run and you should treat others the way you want to be treated. If I lose a buy in or two I want a chance to get it back so If I win it off others I"m not just gonna take off and let the game suffer. I've been at casinos where a person hit and running has ruined the game even at a casino. If everyone did it then cash game poker would simply not exist. The same thing that happened last night would happen every single time if people made a habit of this without replacement players
People like you who shame hit and running in casino games, are the same people that nit it up for an hour after winning and block the seat from legit action, because you're too scared to be disliked and just leave.
@@Andrew-yf3lu i don't care if people hit and run me. people shouldn't care if they hit and run some no action pro. but if a fun players gets mad by a hit and run don't hit and run him.
In todays stream when santhosh got there dj says he through a private party and santhosh was there confirmed the fact why nik played tight and left to private game it was bs yesterday Andy wouldn’t do that
Andy is one of the most consistent people on HCL, he brings value to the stream. Imagine this : Your having a birthday party and your friends come and after they eat your cake and food, before you open the presents, they all leave without you to goto the bar. I’d be furious and he just look 600k….
I mean I know Andy’s point was right, but letting the whale like santoh do whatever he wants to do is part of the game. You can’t keep taking away their money and don’t entertain them and ask them to stay. You wanna play poker for living? Fine. Just know how to entertain the fish, and let them keep playing.
Please please please please please please keep inviting Martin keep him in country and let him play and tilt these f****** clowns. I want to see Airball freak out on him for doing the same stupid stuff he does to other people
i think the commentators should’ve apologized on behalf of HCL to viewers for the game breaking. I, as a consistent viewer, looked forward to the game but was highly disappointed when people just left the table.
Everyone was there to take Nick Aliball’s money, if he’s not being the table sucker or leaves the game ends. Nick is down $8,000,000 and they expected him to increase it $12,000,000 That is all I saw.
We all know that cash poker games in a casino a player is allowed to leave whenever they want. That said, Live Stream being a whole new world, it is on HCL to protect their games and implement LiveStream Rules. Players must commit to a minimum of play time (unless they are down 2 min buys or more) and have a reliable backup bench waiting. If a player tells HCL ahead of time "I have to leave at 5pm it is on HCL to decide if their action is still worth it, announce it to the table at the start, and have backup players to step in. Even new blood on the outside dying to play on stream. I used to play in a home game where nobody was allowed to leave in the first 4 hours unless 2 min buys or more down. It was something agreed by all before the game even started and it was kinda nice that a guy couldn't run over the game for an hour then pack up and leave.
For this type of broadcast games, the rules should be clear to start with. Players should be informed that they have to play a certain number of hours before leaving if they are to be invited at the table. Pass that time limit, they could leave regardless of their chip situation. The broadcaster should provide replacement players if they plan on keeping the game going pass the minimum time limit to protect themselves from this type of debacle.
Would be a good idea to have a few backup players in the wing incase of this kind of situation. Makes sense to me, why should i be forced to play if someone is down a bunch of money LOL.
So you can't leave when you want just because that dude on the end is down a bunch of $. Why do they HAVE to stay? IS the rule you can't leave until everyone is eve.?
thats why they need to implement a time limit like 3 hrs minimum to play for all the hit and running trash. i ran a 1.2 game for 15 yrs and thats how i made sure to keep most everyone happy. or implement a 30 min rule where u can only cash out b4 announcing 30 min that ur leaving. Because eventually nobody wants to play with the people that hit and run.
This is absolutely wild. How does nik go on the infamous “8 million dollar downswing” if he doesn’t play any hands? Ganging up on someone trying to force them to play hands (gamble their money) is ridiculous. First of all is loads of money, that most people never touch. Secondly, who are these guys to make him gamble if he doesn’t want to? Lastly, answer my first question?
Rampage should have done tournament style heads up I think. 15 minutes for 15k and then start again maybe if no one else joins. Whoever wins more chips in the time wins the money could be fun. Maybe 20 minutes instead since you at least get 3-5 hands
Nick has really been having some horrible takes recently. Not a fan at all of how he handled Garrett or responded to Andy. Jealous little man power trip
Didn’t Jungle man get Nik mad at saying stuff to him ? Seems like that’s why Nik left. Because he told him to be quiet about something. Not sure if anything was offensive by either side, but Nik got offended putting out 100k bet on players view.
Doesn't matter what Andy wants or what Nik does. it's a cash game.. I'm sure there is a timer for all the players that are up have to stay at least 3 hours or something. As far as HCL wanting to be entertaining! No, it's about views and money.. have backup players or lower the stakes, maybe give better promotional deals to your higher end players.
Andy should do a Nittucci and turn up and fold fold fold until he gets kings or aces and go all in straight up. Bore the shit out of the game see how tgey like that.
I wouldn't play unless there was a mandatory minimum of time established. Otherwise, it can devolve into a cut-throat situation. With that much money involved playing without an understanding about a minimum amount of time is ridiculous.
i don't blame rayomond for jumping ship. the whales leave and you're sitting next to goddamn rampage and andy stacks and jungleman. hyperpros who are there to take your money and know how to do it, not to "gamble." i see a lot of cracks in the airball tower. he's really out of touch if he thinks he's in a position to get testy about being needled. he's also playing a hell of a lot tighter after torching money all year.
Watch the follow up video on this here:
ruclips.net/video/bKP6kPHT9DY/видео.html
Andy was always a 100% correct gentleman. never complains, never rants.
this is the first time i saw him really upset. uncalled for by Nick to come back at him like he did.
Yeah It's interesting the politics of the private game world, but I think high stakes pros need to be more accommodating and smart about it, robl has latched onto jrb and is able to play in the biggest games because of his relationships he's cultivated, poker is so toxic when predators want nothing but money poker I feel needs to be more social and lively and even if you are trying to win you gotta give a little to get what you want
@@julianvigil5276yea. Definitely shows a dynamic u would never think about or realize. Like u would think since it’s in a casino it’s an open game. Imo They should make it more open with more straddles.
Nick would’ve said the same thing had he been in Andy’s shoes.
Yea id say not a good look when all the winners are gone and the 3 big losers (of the night) were the last ones sitting there. Crazy! They shoulda told everyone Nik and Santosh had to leave early and all this coulda been avoided. Maybe they need a new person running this shit.
Nick is a douche
I don’t blame Andy if he never plays on there again and Nittuce was wrong for saying that
I agree, Nick shouldn't chime in there
I stopped watching hcl long time ago tbh
I think Andy brings a lot of value to the game of poker as a whole. Hard to not empathize with him
Yeah, and I mean he's a beast. Last thing you wanna do is sit three handed in a broke game with that dude. That's why all of them racking after the whales go.
@@Jacob32905he absolutley sucks lol
@@Jacob32905he was a beast... Lately he has just been spewing the money he made on crypto and he s one of the main whales of this show
lol and Nick chiming in as cringe af
@@Jacob32905how do you call any of these guys whales? Who are you? Oh right, someone unheard of watching these guys for hours and talking shit about them. Get a life.
Andy was pissed off and rightfully so. What Nik did was super greasy. Nick V should just let Andy vent and stay out of it.
Power a hell of a drug
Well, he was threatening HCL publicly with not playing anymore if that happens again... Nick and/or Ryan kind of have to follow that up. Even though I prefer Andy way over Vertucci and extremely over airball, he is just in the wrong here. Jungle and Rampage handled it way better, even though Jungle lost more EV than Andy when they left
You are pretty damn naive if you do not understand that Nick and the HCL is a part of these private games.. HCL literally do only exist to attract wealthy wales to these private games.. What do you think they earn their money from.. Tips and youtube-revenue? LOL
@@christianschneider1499 Proper response was "These players are all adults and they can do what they want. If they want to go play another game, that's their business. We appreciate Andy's frustration, but it's not really in our control."
It's not like HCL can do anything about it anyway. If you twist the arm of a high stakes player they'll just find a friendlier game.
@@christianschneider1499 ? Hes down 600K what are you on about? He has every right to call it out. What is wrong with you?
Biggest life lesson here in Poker. Ppl at the table who you casually converse with for weeks, laughing at your jokes, sharing dinner with you, thinking they’re your friends, aren’t. When LOTS of money is involved and you’re trying to take it from the same person, I’m sorry.
True!
All these guys are scumbag
The guy is a seasoned pro. Im pretty sure he gets this concept.
Rampage should be offered a seat at all the best HCL games indefinitely after sticking around and playing 3 handed with Jungle and Andy.
I wonder if he would have stayed if he was 300k up instead of down
he was around even before hand
@@lmanzo87that’s kind of unfair. Rampage has never walked from the table as far as I know. Seems like a genuinely good guy who can enjoys playing and the experience as well. I honestly think he was trying to do right by Hustler and the other players as well as the fans watching.
Props to Rampage, Jungle, and Andy for holding up their end of the obligation.
Rampage ended up losing like 300k short handed 😂
I love jungle saying to rampage "you don't have to play me if you don't want to"
Andy is completely in the right
No he not, they can leave whenever they want, it's not up to any of them, it's not there $
I love how Nick Vertucci says that Andy shouldnt air shit out on the stream... But he does so on twitter. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
@@darrellwilliams5657 You win and leaving the table in mid game? It's not ethical. Just as same as going south.
@@YouMoyaairball wasn't even up that much hes a bum at poker who probably didn't punt a few bullets
@@MatthewMonaco17 I'm talking about Martin.
The audacity of Verdouchi to tell Andy that he's the one being unprofessional....
Nick V is always acting like a jerk and baby crying most of the time on table. Come on act like a man.
Verducci is a pos. And Jungle is to blame for this
You just know Garrett is loving this
Bruh hilarious. I was thinking along the same lines.
Biggest scumbag Garrett
It feels like every day Nick Vertucci is trying to set a new speedrun record for how quickly he can say the completely wrong things
And it's left to Ryan Feldman to smooth things over .
dude has zero self awareness
Vertucci should actually be sticking up for Andy here! Wtf?!
Vertucci owns the stream! Everyone leaves, that looks terrible for the stream… but hes mad at Andy, and not Airball??? Andy actually stayed to finish the stream!
Thats so stupid….
Good for Martin btw… if he wants to pick up after the game gets bad, good for him
Hes not mad at nick airball because he played the same "private" game🤣💯hes mad at andy because he thinks its a "bad look" thee irony 🤣i KNOW💪🏾🔥
Almost like Airball has something on Vertucci, Feldman, and Hustler....mmmmm, I wonder what he knows that allows him a free pass...mmmmmm.
Any guesses.
I'll give you a hint, it started when Airball mercilessly insulted Tal and Linglin. A certain player at that table went to HCL and got Airball suspended.
Airball wanted revenge and....
Once Airball left I can understand why everyone else wanted to leave. He is the ATM at the table.
we all know its Santosh, Charles, Professor etc
Andy had the right to say whatever he wants. He's always a class act.
Legend has it, to this day, Martin is still trying to get to that meeting....
It was is Santa Monica
He’s still in traffic
Meeting was at 6 pm, he left at 6:20. Meeting was the next day.
That dude was full of it 🛺
@@lstruggy we had a guy in Tampa who would always make up a story why he had to leave (after he won big), then he'd wander around the property for an hour and come back to minbuy
Airball is the biggest POS always laughing at players and talking shit after they get stacked. Especially the way he kept needling jungle is just uncalled for. Keep it up guy that’s why you’ll continue to run the way you do.
Stacks is right, and Vertucci is greasy af for what he said.
nick is garbage of a human being
Nah, the first part is right. If it is true with the private game, it shouldn't happen. But still, no one is entitled to them staying.
The second part threatening HCL is not professional
@@christianschneider1499 Vertucci put the grease in greasy.
@@christianschneider1499professional? WTF does he have to be professional?? I think what he did was extremely professional, this is for entertainment and what he said was just that and quite frankly needed to be said. You can’t keep letting snakes be snakes in these games.
You gotta get over yourself buddy😂
Thanks for creating this, I heard about the drama but didn't want to sift through the livestream this is super helpful
I give Andy credit for speaking up whenever he feels something is wrong. He had to talk to Ryan about Wesley buying in way short for one of their high limit games before.
I hope Martin made it to his Meeting in time 💰
Meeting on his couch . That fool aint got no where to go
was it full on hit and run or did he play for hours?
@@Itzyourcostco*whoosh*
Me too. I could tell he badly needed to have a conversation with some clever boys. I wouldn't want to keep someone from that.
Martin (Up 330K): "I need to go for meeting in Santa Monica. In my mind, I'm somewhere else on the meeting".
Andy (Down 600K): "What's the meeting?"
Martin: "Yeah ... like ... I need to discuss something with a very smart guy from here."
Everybody: Mmmmm .... okay?
Rampage decides it's a good decision to play Jungleman HU No limit Super high stakes. Good game selection.
At these stakes and with certain players, the politics, just like Andy said, comes into play. If they agreed to play for a certain amount of time, it should be known to everybody. Probably didn't want to tell them because others might not have played. Andy no doubt wouldn't have. These high stakes invite or private games have a lot more seriousness and etiquette than a casual stakes game out on the floor. Martin just bullshitted his way out. I definitely can side with Andy here.
Yep or maybe Andy would have played less splashy from the beginning if he knew everyone would be leaving lol
That’s bs man not only did they not say if Andy knew you think he would have taken the early risky calls all while Nik and santhosh for that matter playing tight when they never do
Likely why Nick was playing tight instead of usual. Because he knew he was leaving early so wouldn't be able to come back if he donked like usual
Andy and ball are on live right now they haven’t spoken a word to each other
its only about the whale leaving, no one is sour that a pro (Martin) is leaving.
Nik Airball is the the most toxic player. Who keeps inviting him to these games? And why is this channel giving Airball spotlight?
Are you on drugs? 😅😂😅.. Nik is what makes this channel. Who would watch without him. 😅😂😅.. please seek psychiatric help
Cause it gives them views, and the channel knows if
cause he is a donk and a fish.
Because hes down a couple dozen houses and is part of the reason the game even runs in the first place.
He gets invited back because he's a massive whale and the games are built around him
First and foremost this fuck up is on Ryan. Since he had foreknowledge of early departures he was pretty much obligated to let everyone know such info. Seat time absolutely matters. Also, did Ryan upon be advised of early departures make any effort to locate others to keep the game going? It sounds like he had several hours to work on this.
lol how naive are you? The stream literally only exist to attract wealthy wales to the private games, off the stream.. This is what Ryan and Nick do for their living.. :D
that guy is lowkey shady too..
@@andersnielsen6044 pretty much... just look how they promote super-whales like Reza, Santosh, the black guy with the cap I just don't remember. Don't wanna know the practices that Feldman and scummyNic have to let pros play whales. Its probably big $$$
@@flex2125Ryan and everyone else in LA
@@davidstud3952Krish
Vertucci would tell his customers to shut it when they are talking about ethics
Guy got pissed at Andy instead of doing the decent think and agreeing with him and apologizing. For all his talk about ethics and honesty, vertucci is actually the world’s biggest scumbag. Never apologized or taken ownership for anything. And he has done many wrongs.
@@lotharheinz5481 i dont get why ryan and nick are supported this much.. they are shady and lame .. they just have a big platform but are highly unethical.. just look at the gman robbie fiasco
Too bad Ryan had to parter up with Vertucci.
HCL has been in the gutter since the Robbi incident, I stopped watching it and glad I did if this crap is going on.
I agree with Andy. If you agree to go on stream, you should only leave if you have a set amount to lose stated at beginning of the game or state your stay before action starts. So happy that santos and Airball booked losses on the 24 hr stream
I am starting to think HCL is losing its illustrious place in the eco, and an upstart stream with the foresight to avoid repeating its mistakes is on the horizon.
Agreed, Nick Vertucci’s ego is out of this world and he alone will sink the ship. Besides that, the game has had multiple scandals with more than 1 player being exposed as a cheat or scam artist as of today with Mars and Ryusuke revelations. The fact G-man has boycott it says a LOT about the games integrity now. In general I feel like the game has evolved into a much more toxic environment for the players, and it’s gone from being entertaining to being a shit show.
It lost it a long time ago
if you watched the whole thing rampage said that he was told by ryan that santosh was going to leave early. Nik was already being a nit and wasnt giving any action and being salty so he just followed santosh.
Martin played really well, up 330k and left when the game got bad. Amazing
Smart move. I don’t blame him. He read the room and hit the ejection button while up. Blame it on those who destroyed the game
Wait .... what? I thought he had a "meeting" to get to. 🤔
doesn't matter ONE BIT what you say at the table. You NEVER have to give the money back@@michaelg4664
Airball is the biggest fish in the game, without him there is no HCL.
I think my favorite thing was seeing my boy Rampage stick it thru for as long as physically possible to keep the stream entertaining. Sad to see he lost so much but Jungle is TOUGH heads up so props to him for even sticking around
I think he knows playing Jungle heads ups who has the edge, But i think he also knows its great content for him.
But yeah Jungle is one of the best forsure.
They should have alternate players who are available to come fill the void
People that say you can leave anytime are just making excuses for being scumbags and hit and running. If i'm winning I always give a good heads up and try to keep the game going, especially in a home game setting. Casino is different but it's still bad etitiquite to hit and run and you should treat others the way you want to be treated. If I lose a buy in or two I want a chance to get it back so If I win it off others I"m not just gonna take off and let the game suffer. I've been at casinos where a person hit and running has ruined the game even at a casino. If everyone did it then cash game poker would simply not exist. The same thing that happened last night would happen every single time if people made a habit of this without replacement players
The difference isn't they left, they left to play at a private game, not the same thing.
People like you who shame hit and running in casino games, are the same people that nit it up for an hour after winning and block the seat from legit action, because you're too scared to be disliked and just leave.
@@Andrew-yf3lu i don't care if people hit and run me. people shouldn't care if they hit and run some no action pro.
but if a fun players gets mad by a hit and run don't hit and run him.
In todays stream when santhosh got there dj says he through a private party and santhosh was there confirmed the fact why nik played tight and left to private game it was bs yesterday Andy wouldn’t do that
How about Nittucci pony up 500k in the high roller stream, go down -500k and watch everyone leave the table!
I bet he handles it worse than Andy did!
Andy is the best and is absolutely right! Nick is a something of a tyrant.
its just fucin stream, he doesnt qualify to be a tyrant
@@JL-ej3xu wannabe tyrant
Andy is one of the most consistent people on HCL, he brings value to the stream. Imagine this :
Your having a birthday party and your friends come and after they eat your cake and food, before you open the presents, they all leave without you to goto the bar.
I’d be furious and he just look 600k….
I caught the end of the stream and was wondering what happened. Thanks for the video explaining everything.
I mean I know Andy’s point was right, but letting the whale like santoh do whatever he wants to do is part of the game. You can’t keep taking away their money and don’t entertain them and ask them to stay. You wanna play poker for living? Fine. Just know how to entertain the fish, and let them keep playing.
Please please please please please please keep inviting Martin keep him in country and let him play and tilt these f****** clowns. I want to see Airball freak out on him for doing the same stupid stuff he does to other people
Wow if an entire game breaks when one person leaves, it says a lot
Nick Vertucci... You look bad by telling a player not to state opinions. It's the classic duct taping fascist business owner tactic.
With Martin's history and reputation, why would he get invited to a game like this? Absolutely insane!
great recap/comentary about the situation! please keep it up :D
What’s the incentive for people to be on HCL other than social media exposure? Is some portion of their buy-in covered by the owners?
Ego
@@mirade1 hmmm... the owner of HCL seemed to imply some kind of deal with the players exists by his actions.
I've seen this many times. The big fish leaves and the game breaks. Although my $2-5 tables are not live streamed.
i think the commentators should’ve apologized on behalf of HCL to viewers for the game breaking. I, as a consistent viewer, looked forward to the game but was highly disappointed when people just left the table.
I think generally poker etiquette is to play for X amount of hours which is agreed upon. Hit and run is always skummy.
Depends how wealthy each person is tbh
Andy almost is at the level where he should start playing tournament more often.
Btw I didn’t see the end part how much did rampage loose to jungle playing heads up?
Everyone was there to take Nick Aliball’s money, if he’s not being the table sucker or leaves the game ends.
Nick is down $8,000,000 and they expected him to increase it $12,000,000
That is all I saw.
Every online table ever 😂 soon as the fish leaves
They shouldn't invite players who aren't willing to play. Getting busted should be the only excuse.
We all know that cash poker games in a casino a player is allowed to leave whenever they want. That said, Live Stream being a whole new world, it is on HCL to protect their games and implement LiveStream Rules. Players must commit to a minimum of play time (unless they are down 2 min buys or more) and have a reliable backup bench waiting.
If a player tells HCL ahead of time "I have to leave at 5pm it is on HCL to decide if their action is still worth it, announce it to the table at the start, and have backup players to step in. Even new blood on the outside dying to play on stream.
I used to play in a home game where nobody was allowed to leave in the first 4 hours unless 2 min buys or more down. It was something agreed by all before the game even started and it was kinda nice that a guy couldn't run over the game for an hour then pack up and leave.
if we asked 10,000 people to rank who they like most out of Nick and Andy. Zero people would pick Nick. Dude needs a reality check
For this type of broadcast games, the rules should be clear to start with. Players should be informed that they have to play a certain number of hours before leaving if they are to be invited at the table. Pass that time limit, they could leave regardless of their chip situation. The broadcaster should provide replacement players if they plan on keeping the game going pass the minimum time limit to protect themselves from this type of debacle.
That Nick's response to Andy is gonna backfire to his ass soon or later
Would be a good idea to have a few backup players in the wing incase of this kind of situation. Makes sense to me, why should i be forced to play if someone is down a bunch of money LOL.
When you play on stream, you are suppose to play until stream is over. Unless u cant re buy. In regular cash game who cares if u leave.
Nothing wrong with Andy being upset santosh and Nik both action
So you can't leave when you want just because that dude on the end is down a bunch of $. Why do they HAVE to stay? IS the rule you can't leave until everyone is eve.?
thats why they need to implement a time limit like 3 hrs minimum to play for all the hit and running trash. i ran a 1.2 game for 15 yrs and thats how i made sure to keep most everyone happy. or implement a 30 min rule where u can only cash out b4 announcing 30 min that ur leaving. Because eventually nobody wants to play with the people that hit and run.
How much did Jungle take of Rampage at the end?
well, Airball and Andy are playing together right now in another HCL big game, so I guess the drama didnt last 24 hours
Verdushie really gonna take sides he should shut up
Question is will Nick Air and Santosh leave early for the home game if they were down by a few hundred Gs?
rampage is a real one for staying
Where is that video of rampage talking about it being a mistake that he played jungle?
This is absolutely wild.
How does nik go on the infamous “8 million dollar downswing” if he doesn’t play any hands?
Ganging up on someone trying to force them to play hands (gamble their money) is ridiculous.
First of all is loads of money, that most people never touch.
Secondly, who are these guys to make him gamble if he doesn’t want to?
Lastly, answer my first question?
Rampage stayed because he’s one of the few legit players left.
Andy always been a class act. Nik always been a piece of sh*t so no surprises here.
I NEVER noticed this happened on this stream since I tuned in late, wow
Didn’t Nik tell Pepe off for leaving early?
Missed your content brother! Glad to see you back.
Rampage also plays super tight but no one seems to have any issue with that?
He was NOT playing super tight let alone tight lol
@@AlexDuvall lol okay. To each his own.
they should have other players to replace them. You can leave a game anytime.
Probably quite difficult to have many players nearby that even play those stakes!
It's not the same at high stakes dude...
Yes can leave cash games whenever, but shit different for live streams
“Do you think we’re not smart? Is that why you’re leaving?”
Rampage with the zingers!
cry me a river China...this guy whinges when he loses he wouldn't say anything if he was up
Well that’s the end of Andy on HCL. If he has any self respect left he won’t return after all of this
He is currently playing on the stream lol
Andy is 100% in the right. Nik is a scum bag. Scalps the whale to go hustle in a home game. Classless brother
Rampage should have done tournament style heads up I think. 15 minutes for 15k and then start again maybe if no one else joins. Whoever wins more chips in the time wins the money could be fun. Maybe 20 minutes instead since you at least get 3-5 hands
He was definitely correct to feel the way he did and I hope being honest while mic'd up doesn't hurt the games he can get into
Are there different rules for this game from other cash games ie players can leave whenever they want?
Nick has really been having some horrible takes recently. Not a fan at all of how he handled Garrett or responded to Andy. Jealous little man power trip
HCL is finally on the the downhill and honestly haven’t watched since G Man got robbed
Lol got robbed..you mean got his soul shattered by a twat 😂
*FunFact*
Martin's meeting was with Russ Hamilton
No, with me... I'm very smart. :]
Well done.
Jungle was getting on Nik’s nerves which I think why he left. Don’t blame him, I would have too
Didn’t Jungle man get Nik mad at saying stuff to him ? Seems like that’s why Nik left. Because he told him to be quiet about something. Not sure if anything was offensive by either side, but Nik got offended putting out 100k bet on players view.
Airball got no balls. He only got big mouth. Martin was even worse. All bad guys made up excuses. The organizers must fix this.
Lol
HCL is starting to break my heart.. game was 2 big.. cant handle the emotions for the players.
Doesn't matter what Andy wants or what Nik does. it's a cash game.. I'm sure there is a timer for all the players that are up have to stay at least 3 hours or something. As far as HCL wanting to be entertaining! No, it's about views and money.. have backup players or lower the stakes, maybe give better promotional deals to your higher end players.
where can i watch this? jungle rampage and andy 3 handed would be awesome to watch
Link to full stream in description
Andy should do a Nittucci and turn up and fold fold fold until he gets kings or aces and go all in straight up. Bore the shit out of the game see how tgey like that.
😂😂 rampage “Do you think we’re not smart?” Martins excuse was such bullshit
It was brilliant 😂
smh the game was broken and that’s on Feldman
that was pretty hilarious @rampage. haha
WTF is Nick saying, They let that shit happen on there show, in there game, that they host. Its wild they even let it happen
The home game thing is wild
I wouldn't play unless there was a mandatory minimum of time established. Otherwise, it can devolve into a cut-throat situation. With that much money involved playing without an understanding about a minimum amount of time is ridiculous.
i don't blame rayomond for jumping ship. the whales leave and you're sitting next to goddamn rampage and andy stacks and jungleman. hyperpros who are there to take your money and know how to do it, not to "gamble." i see a lot of cracks in the airball tower. he's really out of touch if he thinks he's in a position to get testy about being needled. he's also playing a hell of a lot tighter after torching money all year.
Never invite Martin again. Takes hour lunch and hits and runs