Dragon's Dogma 2 Patched: Big Improvements - But Is It Fully Fixed?
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- UPDATE: Please check the pinned comment for a correction on the high/low preset. The low preset reduces resolution. Apologies for the oversight.
Dragon's Dogma 2 is now onto Patch 7, promising new graphics options, 120Hz support for PlayStation 5 and much-needed CPU optimisations - but what does that look like in the actual game? Oliver Mackenzie takes a look, finding that the improvements are genuine with most of our suggestions for the game taken onboard to a certain extent - but it's still far from perfect.
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00:00 Overview
00:55 Xbox Series X Analysis
05:44 PlayStation 5 Analysis
08:14 Xbox Series S Analysis
09:49 Analysis and conclusion Игры
UPDATE: A quick correction: the high/low preset actually does appear to change more than just motion blur and ray tracing. In side-by-side shots on Series X, the game is clearly less detailed and lower-resolution with the low settings preset enabled, as opposed to the game running with the high settings preset with RT and motion blur disabled. Other visual settings seem to be identical. The game running with the low preset also runs faster than the game set to high with RT and motion blur disabled, at least in GPU-limited areas.
The PS5 is similar to Series X with the low preset in image quality. Like in other GPU-limited areas of the game, the PS5 runs somewhat slower than Series X with the low preset.
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Do you know if I set graphics to LOW, then switch the RT on does the performance boost still applies?
So, what are the best settings for PS5 and XSX - RT and motion blur disabled with graphics set to high or graphics high with RT and motion blur on? Oh, and framerate toggle to 120 Hz?
@@unholy3280on ps5 with vrr on,Graphics low ,motion blur and raytracing off. By me run the game so smoothe 55-60ffps
Pls write consoles on the title... hoped for a PC coverage
this. games don't work on consoles
Oh no! Did you waste 15 seconds clicking a video?
@@mikewalnoha8971 at least they didnt waste 70 dollars on the cinematic console version.
Get educated kid. This game can BARELY be fixed on console
ps5 have lfc?
Conclusion: It's not fixed.
Conclusion: its fine
Conclusion: It's aaight..
Conclusion: It's buttery smooth compared to Skyrim at launch.
@@timlarkin4471 even skyrim was smoother than skyrim at launch
Brave, IGN-level summation.
What a bummer. The performance of this game is a real shame.
Dude, just remove the FPS counter of the screen, and you'll be able to enjoy a good game.
@@K11S03C1996 You're still gonna notice frame drops, inconsistencies in fps, hitching and stuttering. Some people won't, some will, that's how it always worked, even if there is no counter and hard data for people to see.
@@ruekurei88 I've already finished the game twice. The only time I *noticed* frame drops was when entering the main city. And it only lasted about 10 seconds.
Yeah thats cool that it doesnt bother you. That doesnt mean it wont for others @@K11S03C1996
I dont think there is a single new game that will please you people. Just pack it up man, just get out of the hobby its over for you, nothing will ever be good enough for any of you anyways so just get your things and leave. Its not ment to be, im sorry these games arnt running flawlessly at 120fps with a million particles on the screen while giving you head man its just never gonna happen, your doomed man.
A true 60fps would have been great but I just don't see that happening and if it does I would be a very happy man.
Thanks for the coverage Oliver 😊👍🏼
you're a man? thats so cool
I think it's possible with the appropriate optimizations. Maybe they will release one eventually because they still plan on optimizing game performance.
I get a stable 70 to 80 on ps5 with a higher end monitor with ray tracing. Apparently a good monitor really helps the situation, at least in my case!
@@professorsequoia7318huh??? What are you smoking???
@@dorian6021 it's a troll trying to bait comments
What about PC
minor performance on pc but notable frampacing/stuttering fixes
@@michaelhudson3737 I didn't retry the game, but they updated the DLSS and add the frame generator tech. I tought that worth a test here...
No 1 cares
@@CarlosRivera-cg4cs You cared enough to comment.
@@CarlosRivera-cg4cs No 1 cares about u 2
I'm worried about Monster Hunter Wilds ...
Me too. It seems like they don't care if a game runs smoothly, as long as it looks nice. 30 fps or less is going to kill MHW.
@@ahampel22 It's not the devs that don't care, it's obviously the consumers. The devs just picked up on this tendency and became lazy. I was shocked to observe that most people just want for their game to look crisp on a 70 inch TV and then they'll swear to your that it performs fine and you're overreacting when the game is running below 30fps.
@@yagami999913 From an actual developer, just know that we are more productive than anyone could even imagine. Our bosses, who cannot code force us to leave out polish and release early to make money. We do NOT have a choice.
@@TheUAProdigy Yeah, sorry if it came out as an offense to the actual devs. I just use the term for "those responsible of releasing the game". But yeah, i know you guys are the last link in the production chain and that the crappy decisions are almost never coming from you but from the higher-ups.
At least they tried. Unlike some popular Japanese developer who recently had a very successful expansion launch but didn't touch the game's performance issues.
Absolutely inexcusable. I played the PS4 Pro version of Elden Ring on PS5 and it rauns and looks like a champ minus grass foliage density but sad you have to do this in the first place.
@@fenixa2z936 Like just add a performance mode on ps5/xbox series that lets you do 1080p and scaled back settings to get 60.
@@fenixa2z936why tf are games still being made for last gen anyways? I went over to my buddy’s house over the weekend and the state of his gameplay on mw3 ps4 might be the worse thing I’ve ever seen. Dude was playing with regular drops into like 30 fps with constant stutters 🤦♂️
@@fenixa2z936 Yeah, given the visual design and target of that game, there's absolutely no reason modern consoles (let alone freaking high end PCs) should have to compromise on anything that game is doing. Even it's RT mode is extremely basic and just tanks performance for seemingly no reason.
Yeah I don't understand how this game was ripped to shreds by people for performance but no one bats an eye at the persistent stuttering of Elden Ring on PC.
This game's technical performance remains inexcusable. So many compromises and still no stable 30fps.
Yeah if it hasn’t been fixed by this point it’s not going to be, I honestly don’t think these consoles CPU’s can handle this game at 60fps consistently no matter the resolution or RT. The game is just way to CPU intensive
6:53 ehmm, more like 10% according to your numbers on screen =S
... and the Xbox's persistent checkerboard issue sucks. What's the excuse for that?
In the history of video games, has any game this broken ever been fixed?
Everyone knew it would never be fixed. It requires a complete rewrite of the entire game code.
Power of the PS5..LMFAO
@@piau9000 Cyberpunk and Fallout 76. They were way worse but got fixed... mostly. If the devs and studio want 60fps locked and stable 30, they can. They just dont want to pay the money to do that
If there will always be 12 years between these games, maybe in 2036 we can get Dragon's Dogma 3 that finally runs at 60fps on PS7.
I can understand that consoles (which released back in 2020) can't get 60 fps since some game engines are bad..
But even a brand new $2000 high-end PC can't get stable 60 fps in main city.. is just horrible
Unless U have Ryzen 7800x3D (3D Cache doing the heavy lifting), then even intel i9 can't get stable 60 fps (broken engine need a lot of fixes)
It's nothing to do with the pc. You could have a NASA space ultra powered alien starship computer and it wouldn't make a difference. It's a badly optimized game with cpu-intensive tendencies.
@silverheart7964 I know that, but it's not really CPU heavy.. in fact, it doesn't use much of CPU overall
The main issue is the engine itself.. it's more than 1 decade old designed back in PS3 era, they modified it partially.. but you can't improve it that much since it's half broken in 1st place
Even Elden Ring engine is trash.. it's same engine as Demons Souls from 15+ years ago (2009) Lol
Japanese developers release 9/10 super great games.. but their programming team is like 1 decade latest best.. maybe they are old people and the company doesn't want to fire them, or the company don't want to lose 2% of profit to make a new engine.. no one knows Lol
@@Jack_Sparrow131Dragon’s Dogma 2 is made in the RE Engine which was made for the PS4/XB1 gen. So I mean when you consider that RE7 and the engine has probably been in development since 2014, yeah the engine is old now. But it’s been a very optimized engine that looks and runs great on just about every game made in it, minus this one. And the key culprit I think (I’m not a dev though so take it with a grain of salt) is the RE Engine just wasn’t made to support massive open worlds like Dragon’s Dogma 2. All the Resident Evil games, DMC5, and all the other games made in this engine have been relatively linear games made in small scale condensed environments and that’s where the engine really excels.
You can't just chalk up every technical problem a game has to its engine. They are sometimes at fault, but sometimes it's just the developers who fucked up/didn't have enough time
this is the re engine. i think its just the devs not knowing how to optimize
These devs need to get their shit together. DD2 and Elden Ring just both run so horribly, DD2 might run a little better now, but holy fuck does ER SoTE run like absolute dogshit.
Which makes no sense, cause the engine is pretty much the unchanged since Dark Souls 3, and base Elden Ring runs fantastic
@@ramonosuke Base Elden Ring doesn't run fantastic and DS3 has had issues ever since the servers came back online
Why must you lie@@ramonosuke
@@ramonosuke i mean, DS3 did have really poor performance on consoles when it released too
What kind of 🥔 🥔 🥔 do yall have??
Since there is no PC coverage i'll assume Capcom has not lifted a finger to do something about it.
I'll just pick up the game when it's at $10-15 off a key site then
Why even bother with it at all? It's performance will always be poor.
Or $7 like the previous one
Because buying it from a keysite means it doesn't benefit Capcom directly. And the performance issues aside it is a damn good game@@lilpain1997
@@lilpain1997 Because a poorly optimized decent game is a easier pill to swallow when it's cheap on the wallet. The entire narrative around Dragons Dogma 2 is it's a great game just bad optimization.
From other videos it seems like they did improve it a lot on PC
I’ve never played a worse optimised game on my PS5. It’s atrocious.
Still runs terrible, awful frametime too.
So still not even close to 60 fps? Well, still a no for me. Can't belive they'll pull this again for monster hunter next year.
Bruh, it's console, you can't expect all games to run like that.
If you care for 60fps, build a PC.
@@SmexbiThat is exactly the point of consoles. To get a more consistent, polished experience due to the fixed hardware.
@@pintergabor5404
I mean yeah for the price, $500 PC will be less consistent than a console, but most PC players systems are worth at least 1k, at that point it blows console out of the water.
@@Smexbi Yes he can. Its his wallet.
@@pintergabor5404It's still relative to the tech being used in the game engine and how demanding it is... Not every game is created equal and some are just more demanding than others.
this game needed 2 - 3 years more in the oven, for more than just technical reasons.
Fix the underbaked story too.
@@atomickaiser1934 Does is still have low enemy variety? That was just one of my concerns about the game, and how it didn't expand much from DDDA
@@ghosttoast8326 I've played 30-40 hours and haven't seen much difference in enemies besides variations. I was looking forward to the hydra and haven't seen it once.
I think Capcom is a dying studio at this point.
@@90lancasterhilarious time to say that. Capcom is literally thriving, giving bonuses left and right to their studios. They’re massively successful right now - moreso than ever.
Why is this patch not available to me? I search for new updates but says I have the latest. The 120hz mode is not in my settings menu.
PSA: Setting Graphics to LOW is NOT the same as setting to HIGH and then disabling RT and Motion blur (Custom). Setting to Low actually gets much closer to 60fps as it reduces resolution etc.
It turns off RT and looks like DD1 in terms of lighting. Absolutely terrible
@@kraenk12 Nobody is saying it's great.
I'm just surprised DF missed that setting.
Kinda worried for MH Wilds...
You should be, they’re getting way too ambitious with weak hardware
@@Worick_is fucking rtx 3080 a weak hardware? This game run like shit on that as well
@@Fafnir2000Yes. That GPU is super weak. Only 10gb of Vram. I got a 4090 because my old 3080ti wasn't cutting it.
@@Fafnir2000 Yes it's weak. On my 4090, the game run perfectly since day one
@@BryceCzirr-jz7ju you guys are fucking out of your mind
I'd take a 60 fps mode over the bells and whistles any day. The graphics still look good! Give us the option to choose between 30fps and 60fps
6:53 ehmm, more like 10% according to your numbers on screen =S
... and the Xbox's persistent checkerboard issue sucks. What's the excuse for that?
I've noticed since the new patch when I'm running in the map the movement seems slightly better but i still notice movement stutter in vernworth and other cities but in boss battles like the Griffin when he does that wind thing with his wings that the grass and wind seem to move at 60
I won’t play this until it’s 60fps. Shame
At least hope PS6 will run it on 60fps
What makes you say that? We all thought(when they were announced) that every PS5/Series-X game would run at 60fps, no problem. How wrong we were to assume…
EDIT: My bad. You did say “hope”
Do you hear yourself? 2028?
PS60
@@TheABElianobody thought that, unless you're really young or something. The PlayStation 18 will still have 30fps games, it's the devs choice.
@@DarkReturns1 30 FPS yes, but a 64k resolution...
Can you compare all the graphic modes of The First Descendant on consoles, including frame generation and ray tracing? I'd love to know which combination of settings gives you the best results.
Still runs like arse for me, maybe in 5 to 10 years when I have a whole new PC
A new PC won't help on unoptimized software
It’s not your pc, game is optimized like dog shit.
Hi guys, quick question. Will you do a technical analysis of Beyond Good and Evil 25th Anniversary? I'm interested in it but since remasters aren't always perfect I'm waiting to see some technical comparison videos
1:40 Actually it instead looks like variable rate shading on SX.
Can u guys plz boost the higher pitches so that the audio(VO) isn't so muted and deep. It literally gets drowned by the AC noise(or any slightly higher pitch sound). It's impossible to watch ur vdos on speaker for this issue. I know he has a deep tone...but u can boost the pitch little bit in post.
I was so hyped for this game and i was 100% going to buy it when it came out but then i heard about the performance and denuvo(PC) and it went to 0%. Maybe some day it will be buyable.
Honestly these performance patches are nice, but this game desperately needs a hard mode or better enemy level scaling. The fact that you become a God by level 30 is such a bummer. I wanna build my character and party, then push their skills to the limit. The combat is so fun, but the fights become too short to early
So the checkerboard issue, will it ever be fixed? What do u think does it cause?
What is this thumbnail? AI generated dragon that has nothing to do with the game? Why!?
Speaking only for myself, I consider DD2 a disappointment. I loved DD1, but DD2 is severely lacking. There are almost no truly open areas, just a series of narrow paths that zig zag all over the map. That is NOT what I consider "open world." The near end content is lackluster. The simplifying armor is a mistake. Missing monsters & weapons. Too few cities. Roads are too full of enemies. And I could go on & on. I'm so disappointed with this game. Hopefully, the Devs release a quality DLC that is impactful.
I'm just glad that the patch that dropped before this one on PC solved the missing ground texture issues that some GPUs were experiencing.
Why isn’t there just a resolution option yet? Let me play at 1080p
I really wish developers were more willing to put in these “scorched earth” performance options. Resolution/etc hits for locked performance.
Because that wouldn't change the fact that it's CPU bound.
@@RealJeffTidwell wouldn't make a difference my guy since the cpu is the issue and changing the resolution doesn't help.
@@gavinderulo12 General statement, My Dude. Not talking about DD2
What an absolutely useless patch that really does nothing. Playing Elden Ring DLC really showed me how awful this games optimization is.
Damn they really need to fix the Xbox upscaling issue. why is that not a bigger scandal?
Yeah, true. Cyberpunk has also this Problem with FSR on Xbox.
Thanks Oliver for the work. Some feedback: it’d be great in the conclusion to hear your recommended way to play. You mentioned PS5 in VRR but questions I have are: should I use the 30fps cap? Should I use RT or not?
I know these are subjective but would be nice to know what you’d recommend.
Where’s the Riven follow up video?
This game looks like absolute doodoo water on my PS5. The blurry ghosting or whatever is happening is hurting my eyes and making my head hurt! Wtf Capcom
Did they fix the checkerboard bug yet on Xbox?
With a competent fps cap, this game would be rather OK. I'd like to see a 40fps cap as well.
Would have been interesting to see PC all core workload during low framerate times though they're going to need to show some attention QA testing against proton before it's relevant to me.
They really really need to make there engine better or use a different engine for capcoms big open world games like I can see Monster Hunter Wilds probably have the same issues like DD2 with the RE engine I just still dont think it does well with open worlds and it shows because resident evil games run amazing thats obviously because there not open world there linear but then you get DD2 which is open world and has lots of technical issues so its definitely still the engines fault
At least with the improved VRR+LFC on PS5 might make it playable now
It’s a good start, but please keep making improvements, Capcom!
"One of the best looking games of the year" - Yeah, especially when NPCs pop in front of your face 😂
That’s Oliver!
Is the ps5 now capable of low framerate compensation?
Can remember the discussion around it where it wasn’t supported on a system level and needed to be implemented for each game individually like Insomniac did with their games.
No, none of the consoles are. The Ps5 have VRR between 48-120hz. Xbox has a greater range but it isn't much better and noone ever even uses it so that sucks for us.
An FSR3.1 update for consoles be nice with lower resolution upscale to 1440p at a lock 40FPS be ideal with 120hz.
A great game that performs so poorly. A true shame, because I really do love DD2.
Capcom's checkerboarding or 'interlacing' as they call it is getting to be a problem. It used to be good, but it has been a problem here, and it was also a problem for RE4. I don't think it plays nicely with the current Xbox machines.
How is the ps5 more powerful in cpu bound places?
Doesnt the xbox have a better cpu aswell? I dont understand this.
PS5 is a more streamlined and efficient architecture.
So unless you have a compatible vrr monitor your screwed.
Why can i get over 100fps on this game on my laptop on hight settings? If people are complaining about the fps on this game?
At its peak, it doesn't look nearly as good as Horizon FW at 60 fps, so....I really don't understand what's going on with this one. 30fps with frame pacing issues is a joke.
I guess I'll get it on PS6, secondhand.
So they didn't fix anything nor make it run 60fps stable
I always wanted to see a revisit to FFVII Rebirth, to know what you guys think about the 60 fps mode.
So wait, are graphics set to low when the video indicates RT is off, or are they set to high when RT is off? I would assume low graphics would also affect things like texture and rendering resolution.
Nah, that's just a quick option for RT + Blur (High) or no RT and no blur (Low)
It affects, the game runs at 50-60 fps in this setting, I couldn't believe they released this video without realizing this.
@@ivanbalsante8322 I felt it kinda boosted the fps in town but wasnt sure. I have no way to check.
Okay, will need to wait for another patch to see if the performances will be inproved, it is a no go for me right know (the actual demo is barely playable on my screen). I know it is soon, but i am really concerned about Monster Hunter Wilds, i will definitively not buy it if it runs like this in consoles.
When are we gonna get 60fps.
Any improvements for the PC version ???!?!?
I can't believe they still haven't fixed the checkerboarding. Unbelievable how incompetent they are.
I just wish I could run my games at 1080p on ps5…
What about PC? Also, just a heads up, you used the word "equivocal" when you meant to say "equivalent" in the conclusion.
So instead of fixing the cpu load they just gave us a lower setting?
nope the game still having drop fps with low GPU usage in some spots
it’s not low gpu usage, you cpu is just bad
@@diegofuentes425 even with 7800X3D there drop in cites
@@dorian6021 yeah the game need minimum 78003DX to perform playable fps i have 6900XT with Ryzen 5000
@@dorian6021 but any game have High Cpu requirement it mean poor optimizations DX12 made for this problem to get ride of CPU bottlenked
Frame generation helps so much
FSR 3 frame gen could work on consoles but Capcom doesn't give a damn.
Holding off on these games until I get my hands on a PS5 Pro. Tons of backlog anyway.
The Ps5 pro has not been announced. Forget about these useless mid-gen models
enjoy your 10% higher CPU clockspeed
A low point for Capcom. Even PC stutter race can't run in. Unacceptable.
Are we defining the PC as stuttering bc of one game
@@Ioganstone pc is plagued by shader comp stutters in quite a few games because of non fixed hardware
@@urmomma2688 A word to the wise in DF in this tech paradigm is never blame fixed hardware. In DF 169 they brought up though Sony's the best, what Xbox can do (and thus PC) concerning wavelets. The bottom line is low settings are nice enough that you should never ship a $70 game with stutter.
@@urmomma2688 Only because developers are too bloody inept to optimize games
@@nintendo1889x nobody is arguing pc is underpowered
Looks great running in the 120hz mode uncapped. Don't skip this. Could be your GOTY.
Dude Shadow of the Erdtree shits all over this game and isn’t even a full game itself
LOL a whole 4 FPS gain - this is what happens when you pay for broken AAA games. You'll get the same response from game devs.
I'm getting 60fps on PS5 with the 120hz output, no ray tracing and low graphics quality. Graphics are ok but smoother performance is the way to play for me.
So are you suggesting they are making up numbers in the video?
Same! LG OLED 120hz with VRR it runs smoothly now at 60fps or higher. All these complaining are just broke af to afford a decent display.
The FIrst Descent just dropped and uses UE5 and shits on this visually. So there goes that "one of the best looking games of the year"
Will you guys review The First Descendant?
It’s a shame, I wanted to get this on PC for ages but I’m not paying anything for something that runs like this 😂
As long as 30fps doesn't bother you (doesn't bother me at all) it runs pretty good. On PS5, locked at 30fps, ray tracing on and motion blur off. The graphics are very nice with ray tracing on and feels good at 30fps. It's a shame it can't run a stable 60 fps though. I want to mention that I tried variable fps and ray tracing off. It was unstable and choppy in areas and smooth in some other areas. I also don't have a tv with vrr support or 120hz. I have a basic 60hz walmart 4k tv. Hope this helps someone!
Can you guys do an updated tech review of Final Fantasy 14? It just received a graphical upgrade in the latest expansion featuring DLSS2 and FSR implementation, would be interesting.
Try already said in his last video on FF14 that he’d be doing that for DF as well.
I played it, must admit it feels a bit different, a little smoother, but the game needs more actual game.
thank god for frame gen update at least its better now
You should really mention if its consoles only in the title
Did this game always have ray tracing? I didn't even notice
Tbh, Series S still manages to look fairly impressive and keep afloat of 30fps.
This game uses Z buffer frame interpolation on an XN code path in 2024...let that sink in
No pc?
Played about 200 hours of it on the Series X with RT on and with VRR ofc. Other than when it would break down for a couple seconds entering main town, the game played and looked amazing. Thankfully the checkerboarding bug wasn't all that noticeable, which scared me from your initial video on here. Amazing game.
Exactly! Same here; Series X, HMDI 2 cable and a TV that can take it, optimised settings for Xbox to play with HDR. Only box I've not got ticked is 120Hz, my TV should be able too but started refusing to a year or so ago, but that's not been a problem 🤷🏻♂️
That said, I know the majority of people of Discord are either PC or PS5, PC seems to have a lot of complaints about crashing, and I don't know what it's like on PS5, I only use mine for exclusives
I didn’t play this game yet but can say the same about elden ring. VRR does make every game super smooth on the Series X
Please let us know when it's console only if possible, sometimes I watch but today I wasn't actually interested in hearing about that but the title made it look like it was gonna be a broad talk including pc, thankfully the timestamps remain as flawless as ever so I knew to just stop the video
Skipped around the whole video just to see that PC is not even mentioned
Finally an update video for PS5
This game need Frame Gen mod.
They officially added Frame Gen in the previous patch but it's for PC only. The Frame Gen mod was the only way I could get 60fps in towns.
At frame rates this low it would still feel unstable, look much better yes and as we've seen with Immortals of Aveum it works, but still definitely wouldnt be a saving grace
@georgetrentos2094 They only added DLSS frame gen, which is only for 4000 series Nvidia cards, right? Despite having FSR 3, they didn't add frame gen.
I played on my Series x for atleast 4 hours with the new update and I’ve noticed some great changes immediately with the quality, maybe I was just oblivious in my original playthrough
It is not fixed, my save file is gone completely gotta start from scratch now
It's fixes once we have stable 60FPS or AT LEASR VRR 40FPS...
I will try this game when 6090 came out.
Baked in/Forced RT has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever for CONSOLE games.
So it ain't done yet. I'll wait some more months to buy then.
No PC update information? Aight cool...
Did you watch till the end?
@@L-quepethe chapters of the video don't mention PC so can you blame anyone?
@@yourlocalhuman3526it's called watching the whole video? 💀
@@realscrumpus people read the title to find out information about the video. People also read the chapter headings to also find information about the video. It's to save time and find exact information that they're seeking. I'm sure you've come across such a concept. I know you've got a lot of time on your hands 🙏🏾
it runs pretty well since last update, i get 4K native solid 80FPS Raytracing in Vermond cities, no stutter lag on 7800x3d/6950xt, imo the games still look better without RT
TLDW: no
Saved you some time
thank you sensei~