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Agree with what most people’s been saying that he was perfect for that era in Priest history. Some of his fills are so subtle but they do the job for the song perfectly. And the cymbal sounds on Point of Entry and Screaming is to die for!
JP had one of the most solid rhythm sections of any metal band and probably the most chill, unassuming and out of the spot light pair in history. Dave Holland and Ian Hill were the driving force behind all those classic tracks. Just like any great metal band. The success starts with them. Black Sabbath had Ward/Butler, Iron Maiden had Harris/McBrain, and Dethclock had Pickles and Murderface. I rest my case
mcbrain and ward are funk and jazz guys. sabbath swings, and maiden has that bounce. holland was paid to do the acdc thing. holland has wicked chops and feel...just not in priest.
Don't forget Kilmister/Taylor of Motorhead. That band invented EXTREME METAL! They pretended they "didn't", but they DID! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mot%C3%B6rhead#Musical_style en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_metal#List_of_genres
I think steady is the perfect word. He is there to support Halford and the groove. A lot of newer bands just have drummers play endless fills with no support to the singer.
Happy Birthday Dave! You would have turned 76 today. Miss you. You were a great friend! Your perception was amazing. And your playing was honest, just like you were in life! Thank you Metal Pilgrim for the video! I had the honour of playing with Dave a couple of times. Just wow...
Dave Holland was a terrific drummer, more than people think. His work with Trapeze, especially live , Glenn Hughes and Judas Priest and more have to be recognized, and quite underrated. Progressive, Jazzy, Blues, Boogie , various use of the double bass when it had too, Heav, Doom, proto speed metal. A lot of people don't know how versatile he really was..
I still have his phone number and adreess. I nearly bought his priest touring drum kit from him back in the 90s. Nice guy. His son was a drummer too who played in a band called 'love garden' at the time. Again, a nice guy.
@@midnightadmirer well, thats what he told me. He even introduced him as his son. I had no reason not to believe him. To be fair, i didnt really care, i was only interested in the kit he was selling
He was a victim of a horrible injustice, and definetly unguilty.! He was a great drummer, it`s about time he gets the honour he deserves.. He would turned 75 this spring, and he is not forgotten. His work with JP is absolutely brilliant, together with Ian Hill he made great grovves. I have just listening to those albums, his drum parts are just so great.!
Thanks for making this video! Dave Holland, hands-down, the best Judas Priest drummer by far his brilliance can be summed up in the tracks, screaming for vengeance, and most drummers could probably not even play that song the way he does the first Phil is absolutely brilliant. I still can’t figure it out but I see you highlighted it here in the video, he looked awkward, playing drums, stiff and mechanical, but his beats are golden. He’s so supportive to the music.
Thank you for posting this and paying tribute to the part Holland played in Priest's most successful era and those albums that mean so much to us. Debates over "best drummer" are just plain silly and those that refer to Holland as less "technical" seem confused about what makes a profesional drummer.. Holland had style, power and swing and his meter was impeccable. All those aspects were obvious when you saw him playing live through those sets in the 80s.
Dave was my favorite Priest drummer. As you said, he was the drummer during Priest's peak years, and I feel like he was a key part of cementing the band's "sound". He may not have been the best "technical" drummer the band had (that would be Scott; I'd include Simon Phillips, but he was a session drummer, not a member of the band--though he was invited to become a member), but Dave had an unmistakable groove to his playing that I think Scott lacks. Dave's groove locked with Ian's perfectly. I noticed that they played songs that Dave played on for their Hall of Fame performance, songs that neither Les nor Scott recorded. I wonder if that's why they picked those particular songs (since Dave was being inducted postumously and couldn't be there), or if it was just a matter of picking their best-known songs.
The artistic summit was Defender of The Faith. And I'll throw in Turbo, as much as so many obtuse people don't want to understand it thinking (wrongly) that the choice of certain sounds was just a commercial choice. Priest always intercepted the spirit of the times, elevating it and taking it to shores never explored until then. Even now I look for something like Turbo (perfect blend of heavy metal and certain more sci-fi AOR sounds) and I cannot find anything remotely comparable.
I think Rapid Fire, Steeler, Grinder, The Rage, Desert Plains, On the Run, Don't Go, Hot rockin, Riding on the wind, SFV, Freewheel Burning, Jawbreaker, The Sentinel, Night comes down, Ram it down , the way he played that live was totally hardcore are among my favorites Holland performances
The way he plays on "Fever" is just spot on "Mr.Time" He could have went "Bonzo" but I think he helps the song with his restraint. Rock on in heaven bro
He was demonized for a time with people like Tommy Iommi washing their hands of him, but before the alleged fiddling he was known as Mr Time and these isolated drum tracks show you why. I hope his name is cleared some day 😔🤟
Dave was hugely underappreciated!! His pocket was just so steady and so deep. No overloading everything with double bass nonsense. Leaving space for the rest of the band made them sound even bigger. The "simple" songs, "Living After Midnight", "You've Got Another Thing Coming", "Breakin' the Law", "Metal Gods" never feel right when Scott Travis plays them!! Sorry, they just don't! Yes, his personal life ended with great sadness, but his drumming spoke itself. My favorite track with Dave is "Steeler" from "British Steel". It was all about the groove and pocket. Just like Clive Burr in Iron Maiden. Both were amazing and did their jobs with exceptional power and steadiness.
100% spot on. Dave just had a sound and a groove that Scott Travis just didnt have, so much more depth to his playing. As well, I think Dave's drumming exceeded most of his contemporaries in the 80's metal scene
I couldnt agree more. Scott Travis' drumming lacks "feel". Almost boring in its mechanical lack of feel. Dave just had that touch and groove in his playing that coalesced the band into being what it was at rhe heights of their success in the 80's. He deserves alot more credit than what hes given. Very much like Mike Joyce from the Smiths, everyone thinks Morrissey/Marr, but the Smiths wouldnt be the Smiths without Mikes signature groove
The Holland era was great. On stage,he looked like it could all fly apart at any moment, but he always held it together. Tasty fills, and swing for miles. A real "meat & potatoes" drummer. His work with Trapeze is what got me noticing.
@@brandonio_granger please site the article where the teen aged male with a learning disability recants his testimony of beng a victim of sexual misconduct from Dave Holland. Otherwise, it's BS
You have to remember that he was doing this in the 70s when most drummers were there to be quiet and just keep the time for the most part. He is that good , the reason is he was a pioneer in his day .
I dont know if i agree when so many bands like Yes, the Who, Rush, Led Zeppelin, black sabbath, deep purple, etc. were all popular through the 70s. Even in the 60s. Their drumming was not sidelined at all
I dig humble, simple drumming as much as double bass and blast beat. A drummer who knows their place and isnt focused on drawing attention to themselves, just keeping time and driving beat is something you dont hear very often anymore
He was my personal favorite Priest drummer. Binks and Travis are more technical, but I prefer that Era of Priest music when Holland was in the band. Sometimes less is more, and I liked that more simplistic, steady groove Dave presented. He had great timing. I also loved his work in the band Trapeze.
The isolated drum tracks were a nice surprise. It's hard to pick just one song so I'll pick the Screaming for Vengeance album. I've always thought he did his best work on that album.
If I had to spotlight a single track, I pick The Sentinal. His drumming drives the dong forward yet accents the vocals and the guitars allowing them to be heard. The guy was listening to the other parts and supporting them in every song he played. The world needs more drummers like that.
The sound of his kit is unreal. The toms with no heads on the bottom I always loved that sound. He also wasn’t actually guilty of what he did. He was set up by two teenage idiots
I love his playing especially on Heading Out to The Highway from Priest and virtually anything from Trapeze. He played exactly what was needed to propel the song without frills or being too busy. That said I feel Scott Travis is the perfect Priest drummer.
Mr.Dave Holland THE BEST DRUMS Judas Priest, ONLY 1,FANTASTIC, MAGNIFIC, PERFECT. R.I.P LOVE YOU FOREVER ❤️ Desert plains live 1987 FANTASTIC, PERFECT 👌 Mr Dave Holland THE BEST DRUMS FOREVER....
Was he that great? I'm listening to Defenders of the Faith right now, and yes, he is that great. The last 30 seconds of Jawbreaker, and especially the last fill of the song are insanely good.
He was the right drummer for that era of hard music...I personally don't think they would have done as well with a Travis like drummer during that time...very "Bonhamesque", needed for the driving type of riffs of that time. Solid.
Rapid Fire is a great drum track it keeps it time fast while mixing single and double bass, I actually find this hard to play along the tracks you covered
Best live performance of Dave Holland : New Haven 1988. He is really underrated as a heavy metal drummer. Dave Holland can't play on an album like Painkiller, for sure. But, on the Ram It Down tour, he proved that he was a really good metal drummer ! Best performance of Dave Holland on album : Point Of Entry, a lot of groove parts on this album, I love it !
I must have watched the 1982 concert on MTV dozens of times and I always liked his mini-drum solo in "Desert Plains." He was never the most technical drummer, but as you pointed out, for what Priest was doing in the 80's he was perfect. However, I was not a fan of his drum sounds on Defenders of the Faith and later. Too muffled.
That was the Allom production though on that particular album, for some reason it wasn't the best sounding JP album, probably the weakest of the '80s era in terms of sound recording.
Dave was the man for the time. Great stuff. Travis is great too, but I think Scott's drumming sounds like the wings of a locust, as in The Exorcist. The wings of Pizsuzu beating. I'm sure I spelled that wrong. 🔥JUDAS🤘🏻F'KING🤘🏻PRIEST🔥💥💥💥
@brenthardenburg4920 lol ya for sure..I like scott..he was perfect for painkiller..but I kinda prefer the dotf and screaming era and even there late 70s stuff..reason I like priest so much is the variety
@@nolanschrank Unleashed In The East, British Steel, Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith. Hard to beat that era of Judas Priest. ✌🏻😀 🎶 🔥🤘🏻🔥
They sounded best with him on drums. I always liked his drumming. He might not sound so special isolated, but the band had more of a groove with him. He sounded really good on Desert Plains….That might be my favorite Priest song. He was their best drummer.
Les is my overall favorite Priest drummer, but Dave Holland’s drum work on Rapid Fire and Steeler is perfect for what the band needed at the time. Great snare sound too. Slava ukraini
He had great rhythm and kept time like a steady Eddie. Not the most technical and not the most feel among drummers but still respected among his peers back in the day
I was always a Bonham guy, but Dave left more of a mark on my style, somehow… his loping groove is absolutely unique, much like Phill Rudd but different, plus, he had serious chops if he needed them. One of my faves of all time!!
I realized Scot Travis is no better than Dave Holland when I heard him playing the old Judas Priest songs. He may be very technical and precise but he lacks the proper and steady rhythm, style and feeling of Holland in songs seemingly simpler to perform. I mean, what Travis interprets Holland can do, but Travis can't. When Holland performed "The Sentinel" live, he improved it in many ways, including redoubles and tiny details on the cymbals that gave the song more drama...If you compare Travis' rhythm on an "easy" song and rythm like "Turbo Lover" it lacks the rhythmic flavor and happy mood of Holland on the same live version. Travis feels heartbroken, bored , impatient and annoyed by that song so controversial to some fans. He lose the pace. But Holland, like a real pro, does his job and delivers it.....a real master of the drums. Often something seemingly simple and without much change, is not. Also the sound Holland gets from its drums is more filling and forceful. I like and respect Travis, but is very technical, and very rough and doesn't have the sensitivity for those little details.
Scott Travis has no groove, no swing, no soul.. big mistake going that route for a classic Heavy Metal band. I hate bands that try to keep up with the times to please their record label and think they can actually blend into any kind of trend happening unnoticed and unharmed.. Turbo was a great album and it suited them fine while trying to upgrade the heavy metal sound for the futuristic 80's stylings but Painkiller was the absolute worst thing they could have done, they lost me as a fan and consequently never truly recovered from that. oh but yeah, Dave H was a solid and perfect reliable rhythm section so the Priest could focus on writing great material and showcasing their guitar prowess and vocal stylings at their max
I think he was steady, consistent and got the job done. That 's a good drummer. He deserves much credit for Priest's 80s metal success. My thing about Dave is that I don't know how much else he can do on the drums. As a banger, he was solid. I know he was in the band 'Trapeze' before joining Priest. The little I've seen of him there shows that once again he was a capable drummer outside of a bruising 4/4 beat but again nothing spectacular. My feeling is that Dave was a good solid drummer, though not in the class of Priests other drummers (spec: Phillips, Binks or Travis). He stayed within himself, excelling at pounding the skins (which not every drummer can do to by the way), becoming the backbone for Priest's directional change to start the 80s.
dave holland wasn't allowed to be good in priest. listen to any bootlegs of his first tour with the band, where he follows binks' more faithfully and plays with some swing. by the end of the british steel run, they had beaten all the bounce and razzle dazzle out of him by then and pushed him toward that more acdc style approach. just listen to some of his fills.....the guy 100% has chops. he used to play with trapeze, so the guy can 100% groove and shuffle.
I agree that his playing with Trapeze was more impressive (he even played double bass drums in 1971!). However, even on the bootlegs you were referring to, he was still struggling with some of the songs played by Binks (Sinner, etc.). Without knowing which drummer is playing around 1979, I know exactly who between the two is playing by hearing a few minutes at the beginning of the concert. Dave was even surprised that he was picked to become the new drummer.
@@Canuck1000 i mean you can totally it's a different drummer, but listen to holland play on the unleashed in the east tour, then on say, point of entry. you can tell he was told to lose all the frilly stuff. for the record, binks is easily my fav priest drummer
He fitted right in with their sound. Love the albums Dave drummed on. Favourite one with him is Screaming For Vengeance track. I’ll ignore the Ram It Down album was as done with a drum machine and it’s awful
Dave Holland was really laid back and the best pocket drummer since John Bonham. Scott Trevis by comparison, always seems to be off beat when playing Dave's parts. I'm have become a huge Dave Holland fan 38 years after the last time I saw him play live.
Too many awesome tunes to pick only one. DH had a fine instinct as to how to compliment any given arrangement with no need to throw in an infinite number of beats per measure aka speed metal stuff. The rhythm section with Ian Hill could not be better, and very sad how Dave's life developed in years after Priest. Check out the 'Priest Live' CD from the 'Fuel For Life' tour and please use headphones to really get lost in it.
I must admit that the isolated drum parts sound pretty good, but I'm afraid I've always found his drumming a bit pedestrian. According to the sleeve notes for the 2001 remaster of Painkiller, the arrival of Scott Travis allowed the band to '...display a power and intensity that was practically impossible to achieve up until his arrival', and I'm inclined to agree. I'll just end by saying that I hope that if any new evidence does come to light exonerating him, his conviction will be overturned (albeit posthumously), and leave it at that.
Took me the longest time to understand why they replaced Les Bink with him. I adore Les Bink but the truth he was a very light hitter. That's why they replaced him. Dave was solid obviously but less refined. I appreciate him more in Trapeze actually. Wish he could have bought more double bass to Judas Priest. That said, he was an integral part of JP sound in the 80's.
They did not "replace Les," as he left Priest on his own when the management refused to pay his recording fee for Unleashed in the East. If the management had paid him, he would have stayed in Priest (at least at that time).
R.I.P dave Holland of Judas priest metal gods are forever Judas priest and beyond the realms of Rob halford Glenn Tipton kk downing ian hill dave Holland and Scott travis are forever the priest of heavy metal rock....❤❤👍🤟🤟✝️✝️
In my own humble and personal opinion, Scott Travis plays old Judas Priest songs without any soul. His lazy quarter notes and stick twirling are a disservice to what the band was
So when I first got into Priest, I don't really have a preference. Then I went through a phase where I compared him to Les Binks, who is my favorite Priest drummer. I've come to really appreciate Dave Holland. He's kinda like Phil Rudd (another favorite drummer of mine) and he's perfect on British Steel through Turbo! He was a steady drummer and always had the perfect rhythm and timing. The fact is Judas Priest had three of the best drummers in metal history!
For clueless people, check Trapeze and Al Atkins Victim of Changes album. And tell me how bad and boring he was. He did exactly what the songs needed. Nothing more nothing less. Sad how some greedy parents tarnished his reputation with all those false accusations. Love you Davey may you rest in peace
Thank you for this video. Does anyone know anything else about Dave? Did he have family? I know he died in Spain and I have been searching a lot but cannot find much about his life. Any information is helpful. Sure do miss him.
He was ok and I think JP probably didn't allow him to show his full potential. I did hate the slappy sound of his snare and toms but again, that may have been the bands doing. He did play on the classic albums so give him credit for that. Funny, the best drummer JP ever had (IMHO) wasn't really a JP drummer- Simon Phillips. Les Binks was highly skilled and very talented as well. Scott Travis kills them all in speed and power, but that doesn't really appeal to me and like Holland I suspect the band makes him throttle back his skill anyway.
Agreed and sad how his life went bad after Priest. Were the charges against him true? Who knows, but his creativity and simplicity for drumming style as in 'less is more' is a rare talent. Dave asserted the lad taking lessons from him in London had a mother wanting to collect a payday from a millionaire and he claims innocence. Let the-powers-that-be in the next life do all the 'J U D G I N G' of DH's guilt or innocence. And yes to try to pacify all the folks wanting to judge DH, that kind of conduct as in rape, etc is never good to say the least.
Maybe not as good as Les or Scott but still very good. The Roger Glover isolated bass video idea that was in one of the poles would be really interesting.
Why did he have two bass drums? Even de faster patterns sound like single foot work. Was the second bass drum just for show? Only song that clearly has double bass is Jawbreaker, I think?
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They didn't mention him / he's work at the rock N Roll induction. Sad thing.
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Without a doubt "Rapid Fire".
Steeler
Screaming For Vengeance. His Fills and Groove on that go Hard.
Desert Plains, Bloodstone, Devil's Child, Rapid Fire, Heading out to the highway
Why are you celebrating a convicted sexual deviant ?? Surely you could've spent your time more appropriately
His drumming on Desert Plains - pure brilliance
Grinder for me. He was such a great pocket drummer. One of the best.
Agree with what most people’s been saying that he was perfect for that era in Priest history. Some of his fills are so subtle but they do the job for the song perfectly. And the cymbal sounds on Point of Entry and Screaming is to die for!
these isolated parts show me that he was actually better then i thought
JP had one of the most solid rhythm sections of any metal band and probably the most chill, unassuming and out of the spot light pair in history. Dave Holland and Ian Hill were the driving force behind all those classic tracks. Just like any great metal band. The success starts with them. Black Sabbath had Ward/Butler, Iron Maiden had Harris/McBrain, and Dethclock had Pickles and Murderface. I rest my case
In my humble opinion Clive Burr was better drumer than Nico in Iron Maiden.
mcbrain and ward are funk and jazz guys. sabbath swings, and maiden has that bounce. holland was paid to do the acdc thing. holland has wicked chops and feel...just not in priest.
Harris/Burr were a powerful force
Don't forget Kilmister/Taylor of Motorhead. That band invented EXTREME METAL! They pretended they "didn't", but they DID!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mot%C3%B6rhead#Musical_style
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_metal#List_of_genres
I think steady is the perfect word. He is there to support Halford and the groove. A lot of newer bands just have drummers play endless fills with no support to the singer.
The best phase of Judas Priest. The pinnacle.
Happy Birthday Dave! You would have turned 76 today. Miss you. You were a great friend! Your perception was amazing. And your playing was honest, just like you were in life!
Thank you Metal Pilgrim for the video! I had the honour of playing with Dave a couple of times. Just wow...
He was awesome.
His drumming was so tight,he was a human click track!..Album and Live..I loved watching him perform live.Amazing.R.I.P..Dave.X
His nickname was Mr. Time for that exact reason, RIP Dave, one of the main reasons, besides Stephen Morris and Mike Joyce, for me playing drums
Dave Holland was a terrific drummer, more than people think.
His work with Trapeze, especially live , Glenn Hughes and Judas Priest and more have to be recognized, and quite underrated.
Progressive, Jazzy, Blues, Boogie , various use of the double bass when it had too, Heav, Doom, proto speed metal.
A lot of people don't know how versatile he really was..
I still have his phone number and adreess. I nearly bought his priest touring drum kit from him back in the 90s. Nice guy. His son was a drummer too who played in a band called 'love garden' at the time. Again, a nice guy.
That’s certainly news to me. I didn’t know he had a son.
From what I know, he was never married and didn't have any child.
@@midnightadmirer well, thats what he told me. He even introduced him as his son. I had no reason not to believe him. To be fair, i didnt really care, i was only interested in the kit he was selling
He was a victim of a horrible injustice, and definetly unguilty.!
He was a great drummer, it`s about time he gets the honour he deserves.. He would turned 75 this spring, and he is not forgotten. His work with JP is absolutely brilliant, together with Ian Hill he made great grovves. I have just listening to those albums, his drum parts are just so great.!
@@elikristinhamre2590 Yes I know no way would a priest member assault a disabled child.
I greatly prefer the solidness and groove of Dave to the hyperactive speed of Scott.
I do as well…
Me too
Dave was/is Priest! Rip
Scott is far too double bass drum reliant,sounds almost half time. Dave was the best drummer priest ever had .R.i.p
@peterbarrowclough7278 ❤🙏👌💯..and I'm Not even a Priest fan boy !!
Thanks for making this video! Dave Holland, hands-down, the best Judas Priest drummer by far his brilliance can be summed up in the tracks, screaming for vengeance, and most drummers could probably not even play that song the way he does the first Phil is absolutely brilliant. I still can’t figure it out but I see you highlighted it here in the video, he looked awkward, playing drums, stiff and mechanical, but his beats are golden. He’s so supportive to the music.
He played for the music and that's a rare quality for a drummer.
Thank you for posting this and paying tribute to the part Holland played in Priest's most successful era and those albums that mean so much to us. Debates over "best drummer" are just plain silly and those that refer to Holland as less "technical" seem confused about what makes a profesional drummer.. Holland had style, power and swing and his meter was impeccable. All those aspects were obvious when you saw him playing live through those sets in the 80s.
Dave has always been my favorite. Everything he played was perfect for every song. He was great on the old stuff too.
Dave was my favorite Priest drummer. As you said, he was the drummer during Priest's peak years, and I feel like he was a key part of cementing the band's "sound". He may not have been the best "technical" drummer the band had (that would be Scott; I'd include Simon Phillips, but he was a session drummer, not a member of the band--though he was invited to become a member), but Dave had an unmistakable groove to his playing that I think Scott lacks. Dave's groove locked with Ian's perfectly.
I noticed that they played songs that Dave played on for their Hall of Fame performance, songs that neither Les nor Scott recorded. I wonder if that's why they picked those particular songs (since Dave was being inducted postumously and couldn't be there), or if it was just a matter of picking their best-known songs.
Peak years ? You mean "commercial" peak years, right ? Dave Holland was Judas Priest drummer from 79-89 / The peak was before 79'
The artistic summit was Defender of The Faith.
And I'll throw in Turbo, as much as so many obtuse people don't want to understand it thinking (wrongly) that the choice of certain sounds was just a commercial choice.
Priest always intercepted the spirit of the times, elevating it and taking it to shores never explored until then.
Even now I look for something like Turbo (perfect blend of heavy metal and certain more sci-fi AOR sounds) and I cannot find anything remotely comparable.
I think Rapid Fire, Steeler, Grinder, The Rage, Desert Plains, On the Run, Don't Go, Hot rockin, Riding on the wind, SFV, Freewheel Burning, Jawbreaker, The Sentinel, Night comes down, Ram it down , the way he played that live was totally hardcore are among my favorites Holland performances
He had GREAT groove and was already known as a great drummer with Trapeze. Well tuned drum sound and underrated with Priest. Great with Ian.
A perfect example of their (Hill/Holland) synergy might be “Rock Hard Ride Free.
@@bevh46294 yes, every great success involves a team.
One of my favourites is Phil Rudd and Cliff Williams.
The way he plays on "Fever" is just spot on "Mr.Time" He could have went "Bonzo" but I think he helps the song with his restraint. Rock on in heaven bro
He was demonized for a time with people like Tommy Iommi washing their hands of him, but before the alleged fiddling he was known as Mr Time and these isolated drum tracks show you why. I hope his name is cleared some day 😔🤟
Dave was hugely underappreciated!! His pocket was just so steady and so deep. No overloading everything with double bass nonsense. Leaving space for the rest of the band made them sound even bigger. The "simple" songs, "Living After Midnight", "You've Got Another Thing Coming", "Breakin' the Law", "Metal Gods" never feel right when Scott Travis plays them!! Sorry, they just don't!
Yes, his personal life ended with great sadness, but his drumming spoke itself.
My favorite track with Dave is "Steeler" from "British Steel". It was all about the groove and pocket. Just like Clive Burr in Iron Maiden. Both were amazing and did their jobs with exceptional power and steadiness.
I agree, Scott on '80s Priest stuff is somewhat 'mechanical'. Dave and Clive just had a magic touch and swing.
100% spot on. Dave just had a sound and a groove that Scott Travis just didnt have, so much more depth to his playing. As well, I think Dave's drumming exceeded most of his contemporaries in the 80's metal scene
I couldnt agree more. Scott Travis' drumming lacks "feel". Almost boring in its mechanical lack of feel. Dave just had that touch and groove in his playing that coalesced the band into being what it was at rhe heights of their success in the 80's. He deserves alot more credit than what hes given. Very much like Mike Joyce from the Smiths, everyone thinks Morrissey/Marr, but the Smiths wouldnt be the Smiths without Mikes signature groove
Love your Clive Burr analogy. Spot on. Listening to Priest it was Dave's drumming that caught my ears first as a young kid in the 80s.
Amen to that! Dave and Clive are two of my three favorite metal drummers (Lars Ulrich is the 3rd) of all time.
Riding on the Wind kicks so much ass.
Dave rules!! Best Priest drummer! Rapid Fire!
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The Holland era was great. On stage,he looked like it could all fly apart at any moment, but he always held it together. Tasty fills, and swing for miles. A real "meat & potatoes" drummer. His work with Trapeze is what got me noticing.
He'll always be my favorite Priest drummer.
He was innocent of those supposed crimes.
R.I. P Dave Holland
Fnck Off and Micheal Jackson was just a friendly guy too
@@dwaynejessome1728 You clearly have not heard the whole story. The kid later recanted his story and made it all up.
@@brandonio_granger please site the article where the teen aged male with a learning disability recants his testimony of beng a victim of sexual misconduct from Dave Holland. Otherwise, it's BS
His fills were so powerful and memorable - they were an integral part of the songs. And his snare, bass drum and toms sounded like cannons.
You have to remember that he was doing this in the 70s when most drummers were there to be quiet and just keep the time for the most part.
He is that good , the reason is he was a pioneer in his day .
I dont know if i agree when so many bands like Yes, the Who, Rush, Led Zeppelin, black sabbath, deep purple, etc. were all popular through the 70s. Even in the 60s. Their drumming was not sidelined at all
I dig humble, simple drumming as much as double bass and blast beat. A drummer who knows their place and isnt focused on drawing attention to themselves, just keeping time and driving beat is something you dont hear very often anymore
He was my personal favorite Priest drummer. Binks and Travis are more technical, but I prefer that Era of Priest music when Holland was in the band. Sometimes less is more, and I liked that more simplistic, steady groove Dave presented. He had great timing. I also loved his work in the band Trapeze.
The isolated drum tracks were a nice surprise. It's hard to pick just one song so I'll pick the Screaming for Vengeance album. I've always thought he did his best work on that album.
Hard to pick a favorite he definitely was a BIG part of Judas Priest’s sound excellent drumming
Take these chain reminds of me being 3 or 4 years old hearing it on the radio quite a bit in the early 80s...love it!
If I had to spotlight a single track, I pick The Sentinal. His drumming drives the dong forward yet accents the vocals and the guitars allowing them to be heard. The guy was listening to the other parts and supporting them in every song he played. The world needs more drummers like that.
You always need something that drives the dong forward...
Amen to that. Way too many drummers don't really pay attention to the nuances of the music and it shows.
The sound of his kit is unreal. The toms with no heads on the bottom I always loved that sound. He also wasn’t actually guilty of what he did. He was set up by two teenage idiots
Always reminded me of Phil Rudd, not in sound or techniques, but groove.
I love his playing especially on Heading Out to The Highway from Priest and virtually anything from Trapeze. He played exactly what was needed to propel the song without frills or being too busy. That said I feel Scott Travis is the perfect Priest drummer.
Mr.Dave Holland THE BEST DRUMS Judas Priest, ONLY 1,FANTASTIC, MAGNIFIC, PERFECT. R.I.P LOVE YOU FOREVER ❤️
Desert plains live 1987 FANTASTIC, PERFECT 👌
Mr Dave Holland THE BEST DRUMS FOREVER....
the 4 Priest records he is on are some of the best metal records ever.
I think his FEEL was perfect for those albums, some metal guys think more added stuff is superior.
Solid. Definitely was underrated
The Rage drumming is awesome
Was he that great? I'm listening to Defenders of the Faith right now, and yes, he is that great. The last 30 seconds of Jawbreaker, and especially the last fill of the song are insanely good.
All of Dave's fills were insanely good, especially on Rapid Fire, Bloodstone and Fever.
He was the right drummer for that era of hard music...I personally don't think they would have done as well with a Travis like drummer during that time...very "Bonhamesque", needed for the driving type of riffs of that time. Solid.
Many great Priest songs, but Metal Gods has always been my favorite 🤘🏼🤘🏼
Rapid Fire is a great drum track it keeps it time fast while mixing single and double bass, I actually find this hard to play along the tracks you covered
Best live performance of Dave Holland : New Haven 1988. He is really underrated as a heavy metal drummer. Dave Holland can't play on an album like Painkiller, for sure. But, on the Ram It Down tour, he proved that he was a really good metal drummer ! Best performance of Dave Holland on album : Point Of Entry, a lot of groove parts on this album, I love it !
I would bet he could have done Painkiller
I went to the ram it down tour 1988 Brussels, Belgium, 19 at the time, long ago ! Still a fan.
You completely missed Point of Entry. Dave Holland was amazing.
What an incredible drummer he was. Grinder and the Sentinel \,,/
I must have watched the 1982 concert on MTV dozens of times and I always liked his mini-drum solo in "Desert Plains." He was never the most technical drummer, but as you pointed out, for what Priest was doing in the 80's he was perfect. However, I was not a fan of his drum sounds on Defenders of the Faith and later. Too muffled.
That was the Allom production though on that particular album, for some reason it wasn't the best sounding JP album, probably the weakest of the '80s era in terms of sound recording.
Favorite priest drummer
Guy just knew what to play and wen to play it
Just a better feel to me then Scott Travis but what do I know
Dave was the man for the time. Great stuff. Travis is great too, but I think Scott's drumming sounds like the wings of a locust, as in The Exorcist. The wings of Pizsuzu beating. I'm sure I spelled that wrong. 🔥JUDAS🤘🏻F'KING🤘🏻PRIEST🔥💥💥💥
@brenthardenburg4920 lol ya for sure..I like scott..he was perfect for painkiller..but I kinda prefer the dotf and screaming era and even there late 70s stuff..reason I like priest so much is the variety
@@nolanschrank Unleashed In The East, British Steel, Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith. Hard to beat that era of Judas Priest. ✌🏻😀 🎶 🔥🤘🏻🔥
Hell yes! Those are the albums that got me into the band, beginning with Unleashed, the first Priest album (cassette actually) I ever bought.
Riding on the wind is top notch but so was victim of changes.
Dave Holland and Les and Scott - great drummers
They sounded best with him on drums. I always liked his drumming. He might not sound so special isolated, but the band had more of a groove with him. He sounded really good on Desert Plains….That might be my favorite Priest song. He was their best drummer.
Les is my overall favorite Priest drummer, but Dave Holland’s drum work on Rapid Fire and Steeler is perfect for what the band needed at the time. Great snare sound too.
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He had great rhythm and kept time like a steady Eddie. Not the most technical and not the most feel among drummers but still respected among his peers back in the day
He had great feel.
Solid drummer the best for judas priest! My favourite of all time
I always SO loved Hollands snare drum sound ♥
His toms and bass drum sounded killer as well.
I was always a Bonham guy, but Dave left more of a mark on my style, somehow… his loping groove is absolutely unique, much like Phill Rudd but different, plus, he had serious chops if he needed them. One of my faves of all time!!
I realized Scot Travis is no better than Dave Holland when I heard him playing the old Judas Priest songs. He may be very technical and precise but he lacks the proper and steady rhythm, style and feeling of Holland in songs seemingly simpler to perform. I mean, what Travis interprets Holland can do, but Travis can't.
When Holland performed "The Sentinel" live, he improved it in many ways, including redoubles and tiny details on the cymbals that gave the song more drama...If you compare Travis' rhythm on an "easy" song and rythm like "Turbo Lover" it lacks the rhythmic flavor and happy mood of Holland on the same live version. Travis feels heartbroken, bored , impatient and annoyed by that song so controversial to some fans. He lose the pace.
But Holland, like a real pro, does his job and delivers it.....a real master of the drums.
Often something seemingly simple and without much change, is not.
Also the sound Holland gets from its drums is more filling and forceful.
I like and respect Travis, but is very technical, and very rough and doesn't have the sensitivity for those little details.
Thank you for this, couldn't say it any better. I'm not even sure, Holland is less technical, I think he was told to hold back and that's why he did.
Exactly... Travis plays old songs half ass, lazy. No soul, just fart fast double bass
Scott Travis has no groove, no swing, no soul.. big mistake going that route for a classic Heavy Metal band. I hate bands that try to keep up with the times to please their record label and think they can actually blend into any kind of trend happening unnoticed and unharmed.. Turbo was a great album and it suited them fine while trying to upgrade the heavy metal sound for the futuristic 80's stylings but Painkiller was the absolute worst thing they could have done, they lost me as a fan and consequently never truly recovered from that. oh but yeah, Dave H was a solid and perfect reliable rhythm section so the Priest could focus on writing great material and showcasing their guitar prowess and vocal stylings at their max
Well said👏🏻
@@midnightadmirer thank you! I'm glad there are sentient people out there lol
I think he was steady, consistent and got the job done. That 's a good drummer. He deserves much credit for Priest's 80s metal success. My thing about Dave is that I don't know how much else he can do on the drums. As a banger, he was solid. I know he was in the band 'Trapeze' before joining Priest. The little I've seen of him there shows that once again he was a capable drummer outside of a bruising 4/4 beat but again nothing spectacular. My feeling is that Dave was a good solid drummer, though not in the class of Priests other drummers (spec: Phillips, Binks or Travis). He stayed within himself, excelling at pounding the skins (which not every drummer can do to by the way), becoming the backbone for Priest's directional change to start the 80s.
dave holland wasn't allowed to be good in priest. listen to any bootlegs of his first tour with the band, where he follows binks' more faithfully and plays with some swing. by the end of the british steel run, they had beaten all the bounce and razzle dazzle out of him by then and pushed him toward that more acdc style approach. just listen to some of his fills.....the guy 100% has chops. he used to play with trapeze, so the guy can 100% groove and shuffle.
I agree that his playing with Trapeze was more impressive (he even played double bass drums in 1971!). However, even on the bootlegs you were referring to, he was still struggling with some of the songs played by Binks (Sinner, etc.). Without knowing which drummer is playing around 1979, I know exactly who between the two is playing by hearing a few minutes at the beginning of the concert. Dave was even surprised that he was picked to become the new drummer.
@@Canuck1000 i mean you can totally it's a different drummer, but listen to holland play on the unleashed in the east tour, then on say, point of entry. you can tell he was told to lose all the frilly stuff. for the record, binks is easily my fav priest drummer
Kind of like Clive burr was the perfect drummer to give iron maiden some punky edge .
Clive Burr made Maiden POWERFUL 💥
Loved how he played Victim of Changes!
Dave, was fantastic for color and riffs!
He fitted right in with their sound. Love the albums Dave drummed on. Favourite one with him is Screaming For Vengeance track. I’ll ignore the Ram It Down album was as done with a drum machine and it’s awful
Super solid, spot on with the music/songs he played on! RIP
He played what went with the music. They all reacted together to make their sound. Still like it.
Love to hear something like this with Clive Burr
He was good for the time and had laid down the foundation for priests musical catalog. He's apart of what made the band great
Dave Holland was really laid back and the best pocket drummer since John Bonham. Scott Trevis by comparison, always seems to be off beat when playing Dave's parts. I'm have become a huge
Dave Holland fan 38 years after the last time I saw him play live.
Desert Plains !!!
Too many awesome tunes to pick only one. DH had a fine instinct as to how to compliment any given arrangement with no need to throw in an infinite number of beats per measure aka speed metal stuff. The rhythm section with Ian Hill could not be better, and very sad how Dave's life developed in years after Priest. Check out the 'Priest Live' CD from the 'Fuel For Life' tour and please use headphones to really get lost in it.
Rocking drumming! Solid ! RIP Dave!!!!
I must admit that the isolated drum parts sound pretty good, but I'm afraid I've always found his drumming a bit pedestrian. According to the sleeve notes for the 2001 remaster of Painkiller, the arrival of Scott Travis allowed the band to '...display a power and intensity that was practically impossible to achieve up until his arrival', and I'm inclined to agree.
I'll just end by saying that I hope that if any new evidence does come to light exonerating him, his conviction will be overturned (albeit posthumously), and leave it at that.
It was certainly good enough, but it didn’t elevate the band.
Took me the longest time to understand why they replaced Les Bink with him. I adore Les Bink but the truth he was a very light hitter. That's why they replaced him. Dave was solid obviously but less refined. I appreciate him more in Trapeze actually. Wish he could have bought more double bass to Judas Priest. That said, he was an integral part of JP sound in the 80's.
They did not "replace Les," as he left Priest on his own when the management refused to pay his recording fee for Unleashed in the East. If the management had paid him, he would have stayed in Priest (at least at that time).
R.I.P dave Holland of Judas priest metal gods are forever Judas priest and beyond the realms of Rob halford Glenn Tipton kk downing ian hill dave Holland and Scott travis are forever the priest of heavy metal rock....❤❤👍🤟🤟✝️✝️
In my own humble and personal opinion, Scott Travis plays old Judas Priest songs without any soul. His lazy quarter notes and stick twirling are a disservice to what the band was
He also plays with Thin Lizzy and has no feel there either
@@richardhullah2974 yeah, as if he could rival Brian Downey🤣
He plays like a drum machine.
So when I first got into Priest, I don't really have a preference. Then I went through a phase where I compared him to Les Binks, who is my favorite Priest drummer.
I've come to really appreciate Dave Holland. He's kinda like Phil Rudd (another favorite drummer of mine) and he's perfect on British Steel through Turbo!
He was a steady drummer and always had the perfect rhythm and timing.
The fact is Judas Priest had three of the best drummers in metal history!
hmmm. Judas Priest had to use drum machines on the last pair of albums before finally letting him go. That's how amazing and steady he was.
They didn't have to, they just decided to do so for some reason
he was PERFECT for their sound in their prime
A solid drummer makes everybody else in the band play better. Dave was that guy. And that's what separated JP from their peers. They grooved.
What about Point of Entry Great Album
Their best sounding '80s album.
Incredible groove in this drumming. Scott was harder hitting though
For clueless people, check Trapeze and Al Atkins Victim of Changes album. And tell me how bad and boring he was. He did exactly what the songs needed. Nothing more nothing less. Sad how some greedy parents tarnished his reputation with all those false accusations. Love you Davey may you rest in peace
I always smile when hearing the fill Dave does in the middle of "Hot Rockin" from Point of Entry (at 1:44) : ruclips.net/video/UxV7GTbqC10/видео.html
Steeler from British Steel.I think is my favorite work of Daves.
🤘🏻🔥 💥 HELL YEAH 💥🔥🤘🏻
Rapid Fire.
Not over the top, did his job well with a great down to earthness..
Thank you for this video. Does anyone know anything else about Dave? Did he have family? I know he died in Spain and I have been searching a lot but cannot find much about his life. Any information is helpful. Sure do miss him.
dave was the best no dave priest would be prog rock
Too simple is subjective…
Drummer should always find a grove and play for the song
Definetly not on par with Les and Scott but I wouldn't change anything because the albums are great
He was ok and I think JP probably didn't allow him to show his full potential. I did hate the slappy sound of his snare and toms but again, that may have been the bands doing. He did play on the classic albums so give him credit for that. Funny, the best drummer JP ever had (IMHO) wasn't really a JP drummer- Simon Phillips. Les Binks was highly skilled and very talented as well. Scott Travis kills them all in speed and power, but that doesn't really appeal to me and like Holland I suspect the band makes him throttle back his skill anyway.
Are you kidding? He had the most powerful snare and tom sound ever!
I've been listening to Helion Eye and Wind as a preamble to clean the house!!
He got a lot of hate over rape allegations I just think he may have been framed who knows great drummer though played on priest best albums
Agreed and sad how his life went bad after Priest. Were the charges against him true? Who knows, but his creativity and simplicity for drumming style as in 'less is more' is a rare talent. Dave asserted the lad taking lessons from him in London had a mother wanting to collect a payday from a millionaire and he claims innocence. Let the-powers-that-be in the next life do all the 'J U D G I N G' of DH's guilt or innocence. And yes to try to pacify all the folks wanting to judge DH, that kind of conduct as in rape, etc is never good to say the least.
Maybe not as good as Les or Scott but still very good.
The Roger Glover isolated bass video idea that was in one of the poles would be really interesting.
You hit the nail on the head
Great drummer but not at same level as Scott Travis
What always surprised me the most is how stiff he always looks when drumming but yet so fluent
Why did he have two bass drums? Even de faster patterns sound like single foot work. Was the second bass drum just for show? Only song that clearly has double bass is Jawbreaker, I think?
They didn't mention him / he's work at the rock N Roll induction. Sad thing.
Oh he was mentioned by KK and possibly Rob, as I recall.
@@LarryFleetwood8675 nope
@ KK did.