Good call. And Purple does NOT get enough credit for their co-invention of metal. Nowhere near enough credit, simply because people don't like to think of them as metal. Well, in their day, they were.
Sin After Sin deserves a lot of credit for Double bass drums over heavy music, I think people still sleep on how important COZY POWELL was to drumming. Rising by Rainbow had come out a year prior to Sin After Sin and it features a lot of intense double bass drumming!
Great call on pointing out Cozy Powell's double-bass work on the Rainbow's1976 "Rising" album. I've long enjoyed having his double-bass fills stuck in my head on the Stargazer track in particular.
My favourite Priest album, and part of the reason is Simon's playing. BTW- Bill Ward used double kick technique on a section of Into The Void from Master Of Reality, released in 1971.
IIRC even on the isolated track that's available somewhere on YT, it's inconclusive to listen to. Back then - and at least on Sabbath's studio budget - nobody knew how to mic two kicks. On Vol 4 in 1972 that wasn't as much an issue, and Ward's 16th notes can be clearly heard on Tomorrrow's Dream and Supernaut.
@@VaraLaFey Again..I will HAVE to go BACK and re-listen to the Sabbath stuff, (listening to THOSE tracks that you mentioned)....Being an old school Death Metal drummer myself personally? The old Sabbath stuff NEVER quite, came UP on the radar (for ANY double bass) that is, Lol. I mean 🤔 I guess? DID ol Bill Ward EVER even go to a double bass SET? SEEMS like I MIGHT, remember seeing him via late Ozzy with Sabbath era using dual kicks/more tack toms but? Again, I am NOT sure. 🤘🔥🤘
@@jamescon55 He started possibly on Master of Reality and certainly was playing them quite a bit on Vol 4. I don't think he's ever been without them since, though doesn't play them much. Def not a strong death-metal style doublekick player, but more like a Louie Bellson. I think Ward never developed his left foot, cause usually you can clearly hear his right and only partially hear his left.
Yes, Bill was absolutely using double bass drums prior to 1977. Certainly on Sabotage (1975) “Hole in The Sky”?…, and on “Snowblind” on Volume 4 in the middle section where there’s a time change…lots of places…
I was so glad Simon mentioned Tommy Aldridge. There is so much revisionist history regarding double bass drumming. I even saw someone in the comments say Cozy Powell was somehow the guy who started all of what is going on today in regards to Rainbow Rising (1976), well sorry pal, but Tommy Aldridge was playing the way we currently know hard rock/metal drummers do in terms of utilizing double bass way before that. The Raunch & Roll live album by Black Oak Arkansas was released in 1973! And that was taken from a live recording that was presumably done well before it was actually released in record stores at the time. Tommy Aldridge is truly primarily responsible for the way drummers now think about playing with their feet. Again, he was already playing the way you hear him playing on albums like Speak of the Devil & the Ozzy Tribute to Rhoads album/s in the VERY EARLY 70's, and there is documented proof of this. Even Neil Peart (in one of his early Modern Drummer interviews) talked about how he thought about playing with his feet differently after first hearing/seeing Tommy Aldridge. And Peart's first album with Rush was in 1975! I think it's ridiculous when I hear people talk about guys like Lombardo being the "godfather of double bass". Really? In what alternate truthless universe? Look...when it comes to double bass drumming credit must be given to Ginger Baker and Carmine Appice as well. Both pre-dated Tommy and both utilized double bass to varying extents (Carmine arguably more so than Ginger Baker). But if you listen to the drum solo on Raunch & Roll by Black Oak Arkansas (again from 1973!) the idea that anyone was utilizing double bass in the way/s that Aldridge was at that time is suspect at best. And for record yes I'm well aware of Louie Bellson, but Louie was really only using 2 bass drums for "flurries" at the end of songs, it wasn't until the 80's that Louie really started working more modern (at the time) figures and patterns into his double bass repertoire. Tommy Aldridge is a legend, and he doesn't get near the credit he deserves. I actually met him in 1988 backstage at a Whitesnake show. Very humble soft spoken man. And all I know is if Simon f'ing Phillips and Neil f'ing Peart would have/had both listed me as an influence on them I would definitely feel like I could go to my grave as a drummer having accomplished something of real significance. Kudos to Simon for specifically bringing up Tommy Aldridge.
Facts!!! I remember seeing BOA on the weekly TV show, In Concert, (later Don Kirshners Rock Concert) several times. I hated the voice of singer Jim Dandy, but was amazed by the drumming of Aldridge. One of their songs, I think it was called "UP" started out with a syncopated double bass intro that I can remember to this day. When Aldridge Quit BOA, he could not play professionally for a long time because the rednecks would not release him from his contract. Great post sir!
Yep first time I heard Simon was Sin After Sin and It's their best album still. Whenever I listen to it I have to listen to the whole thing, and of course I'm air drumming to Simon the whole time.
When Judas Priest did there tour to support the album “Sin After Sin” they were the opening act for Led Zeppelin on most of there dates. My first time seeing both bands in concert. There are no words…..!!! Sin After Sin remains my favorite studio album from start to finish of Judas Priest’s vast catalogue . No filler songs and Rob, Glenn, and K.K. we’re performing at maximum intensity. That material is on display in all it’s glory on the live album “Unleashed In The East”. A live album that is not celebrated as being the masterpiece for Heavy Metal that it is!
@@Notes-From-Underground66Unleashed WAS MY personal introduction to METAL, not long after it's release. My older sister (responsible for LOTTA my music introduction 😏 Thanks sis, lol.) had already helped me with hearing LPs of The Beatles, ACDC, and she gave me her LP copy of Unleashed (she didn't like it lol.) and yeah man...To me, personally? It IS one of, IF NOT? The BEST actual LIVE album of it's era, NO doubt 😎. Goin into our family room as a kid, (as my mom HAD to ALWAYS run our Zenith stereo system- record player lol.) and just STARING at the Unleashed cover art in TOTAL amazement, as the LP played ON, dude 🤔😨...SMH in amazement/reminiscing ...I WAS, IMMEDIATELY, "transformed"....Lol. JUST turned 50 y.o. in November and, STILL LOVE my METAL M.U.S.I.C. 😎🤘🔥🤘 (And yeah man! PRIEST AND Zeppelin together THEN? As a young teenager? 😵💫😳 My hat comes COMPLETELY OFF, to you, .... RESPECT. 🤘🤘
Guess I NEED to check out some Black Oak Arkansas for REAL, then! Coming from HERE in the Midwest? I HAVE talked to like, HALF a dozen people that "partied with BLA in the day" and have vague memories of Aldridge, 70s era.... Simply mind-blowing, the HISTORY of THAT dude, as well! 😮 🤘🔥🤘
Yep, and there he combined heavy with a sort of jazz feel that I think enhance the album. Heard somewhere that the band initially though he didn't hit the snare drum hard enough😄
Glad you enjoyed it! There's a few other videos from my interview with Simon on the channel, talking about working with Jeff Beck, The Who and more 🥁👍🤘
Speaking of dissident aggressor, the only copy of Slayer's South of Heaven I had was on compact disc, that song was on that album but for whatever reason I couldn't find any information about the song in the liner notes. Just the title! So, the search began and a few years would pass until I would browse a record shop and I would find that same song on Sin after Sin. Great tune, even the cover was cool as well!
It came from Cream's Ginger Baker to influence Ian Paice and many others...there was tons of double bass in late 60s before Ian/DP. Cream started the whole heavy blues rock jam thing with tons of double bass, they influenced sabbath and priest and nearly all early heavy guitarists of the late 60s early 70s. Ginger Baker got it from the jazz guys of the 40s who would have double bass solo contests. And Simon got most of his chops and speed influence from fusion drummer Billy Cobham (Mahavishnu Orchestra early 70s). So thank jazz and fusion for metal drumming. Otherwise drumming in metal would still be simpler rock drumming like the earlier heavy bands.
First double bass drumming in metal that I recall was Into the Void by Black Sabbath in 1971. Bill Ward's double bass is all over the 'freedom fighters' section.
Michael Giles- King Crimson. Cozy Powell-Rainbow Rising. Both predate that album. And much love for Simon from me BTW 👍🏻 A huge influence on me and many others I’m sure.
When it comes to heavy metal, Cozy Powell on Rainbow Rising was the first drummer who used double bass in the way we understand it now. We could go even further with Ian Paice on Fireball…
He referenced Black Oak Arkansas! A magnificent band! Like a sort of rustic Rolling Stones. Genuine hillbillies, but with great humor and very competent musicians. Aldridge (who was a blow in from Florida) was the musician a cut above, though the bass player was also very good. The singer (Jim Dandy Mangrum) has a distinctive baritone that a lot of people hate but it fits the band. You have to love a band whose members lived in a cave in the Appalachians for a while, as fugitives from the law for stealing their first PA. They also have a song that starts with a recording of one of the guitarists taking a leak into a record studio ash tray. I think this is what is defined as 'raw' stuff, or street cred. I was turned onto them by 'Uncle Elijah' (actually pre- Tommy Aldridge) and then found lots of other songs sending up Bible Belt religion ('Lord Have Mercy On My Soul' and 'Everybody Wants To See Heaven'), as well as some great Southern Rock stuff like 'Hot and Nasty', 'I Could Love You' and 'Hey Y'all' (on RUclips there is a great live video of this from Charlotte Speedway in 1974 and another from the Albert Hall in 1974 or 1975 -which might even be where Simon Phillips saw them). The first two MCA period albums are also really good, despite not having a great rep - songs like 'Bump and Grind', 'Strong Enough to Be Gentle', 'Wild Men From The Mountains' - just fantastic roots music. Sin After Sin has some great tracks and in the long run Simon Phillips might have worked out better than the drummer JP did get, who was a very good musician but had some nasty personal habits. I agree with SP's comments about breadth of musical exposure - I think it makes a better musician, because you can bring more to the session. You can be a very fine musician without breadth of exposure but there will be so many gaps. Whether you like jazz or not, almost all the great drummers have had some exposure/background in jazz, with its more common use of complex beats and rhythms, technical demands and careful listening and communication. But exposure to soul, blues etc. also really adds to the palate of colours a drummer can bring. Whether or not you need to live in cave and steal your first PA, I don't know - did Simon Phillips do either of these things and was this really behind his exit from Toto?
Either way? Despite "WHO 1st, used double bass in a song context"....I think, we CAN, obviously note - Simon's input for SUCH 😏... Plus? Simon also played double bass ALL OVER the album too, (as opposed to a part in a song etc.) 😏😎🥁🤘🔥🤘
Kudos to the amazing Simon Phillips on Sin After Sin! Being born personally in 73, I discovered it in the mid 80s BUT...I HAD gotten a copy of Unleashed in the East in 1980 from my older sister (who "didn't like it") as THAT WAS my 1st actual introduction to METAL music. I "think? 🤔" the Unleashed LP was giving to me right after ACDC Highway to Hell was introduced, as I became an IMMEDIATE ACDC fan, and then of course Judas Priest 😏. And so, yeah...Ya think Simon's drumming on Sin After Sin is great (as it obviously IS). Just check OUT later drummer of Priest- Les Bink's interpretations of some of those tracks LIVE on Unleashed in the East 😏🤘... THAT'S thee LIVE album "I" grew up on 🤘🔥🤘
Black Sabbath had double bass since Master Of Reality. Budgie had double bass. Fireball by Deep Purple had double bass like Judas Priest or Motörhead in title track. Maybe not what you would call metak today although it was part of the begining but Cactus albums with Carmine and BBA had some nasty double bass stuff. Even some early Jazz rock albums like Mahavishnu Orchestra had things pretty metal to me, the distortion, heaviness, the " i don't give a shit " almost uncontrolled punk attitude and double bass stuff by Cobham were metal, thrash in a way. Jeff Beck with Cozy Powell had double bass, Ive got feeling thats fast, its like a pre shalalala by thin lizzy, other prototype in the genre. Trapeze had double bass in some songs like Jury ( very Judas Priest in what they did in SWOD ), Medusa, Your Love is alright,Black Cloud and the melting intro proto thrash of Keepin'time . Rainbow albums with Cozy had double bass.
The album "Nador" by french band Les Variations (1969) (find on YT) had very tasty double bass drums; not metal but hard rock. Song "Completely Free" comes to mind. Drummer 'Jacky' Bitton was one of the first.
@@jublaim in that genre surely. Even though Ginger was before too. As double bass, you go back to Luigi Balassoni ( Louie Bellson ) in 1938. Others followed, such Sam Woodyard, Ed Shaunessy, Dave Black in the 50's. Rufus speedy Jones too along others.
@@Nissardpertugiu Thank you for pointing out! I wasn't aware that it has being around for such a long time. As it seems Louie Bellson had a special Gretch double bass set made for him. Have to YT some more.
I think the first drummer to consistently be hitting the double bass and using it on more than just a single song was Cozy Powell. I mean great chance I am wrong, but 1976's Rainbow Rising was pure epicness. IMO the first "Power metal" album, and just a huge inspiration in metal. "Light in the Black" with its doublebass patterns driving the tune. Whereas Bonham, Ward and Paice truly inspired many rock and metal drummers, I think it was Cozy that inspired the guys that would be leading the NWOBHM and most euro metal bands as well as the trash bands to come.
Ian Paice, Tommy Aldridge, Carl Palmer, and Simmon Phillips might introduced double kick on rock or metal genre but Louie Belson pioneered double bass playing,..my opinion as a fusion drummer myself too.
🤔Let me say this... Sad Wings of Destiny, Sin After Sin, and Stained Class are seriously underrated albums.. If anyone thinks any of those albums are not fantastic examples of heavy Rock, then they really are not in tune with the vibe..😉👨🏻
03:20 70s were a genre blur musically, Black Oak Arkansas , while heavy Southern rock, kinda like Skynryrd, , and gave us Jim Dandy prototype David Lee Roth..not "Metal"...the term didn't even exist...we called it all "Heavy Rock"...some late 60s early 70s leftovers called it "acid rock" Doh !!!.
Sorry for the great Simon Phillips, but he wasn't the first to play double-bass in Metal. Ian Paice was one of the first (in Fireball) and, of course, Cozy Powell on Hammer-Bedlam records. Obviously also Tommy Aldridge with BOA, but especially Mick Tucker from Sweet. RIP
Thin Lizzy's Sha la la predates by three years. Not even close. Brian Downy and Cozy were doing full double kicks songs long before everyone else caught up
Well some Pat Travers tunes are heavy, even few rendition of BOA live. Tommy playing, even he's in fact quite funky, was modern metal coordinations before it was athing
Of all the great drummers, Simon is THE MAN. And ftr, double-kick was used on Sabbath's Vol 4 in 1972: both Supernaut and Tomorrow's Dream have very prominent pounding double kick. There may be earlier uses than that in what we consider metal, but that's the earliest inarguable instance which comes to my mind atm.
SINNER and DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR are absolute double-bass drum masterpieces!!
For a 19 year old, his drumming on that album was epic.
I was hoping that he was able to do more albums with them back then, but we were just left with that one, which makes that album a unique specialty.
Deep purple “Fireball”the FIRST double bass drum metal song ever.
Recorded in 1970!
Released in 1971.
Ian Paice too but he used double kick for a matter of volume.
That's the 1st song I thought of when He said He was 1st in 77..Good old Fireball.
Ian Pace borrowed Keith Moon's bass drum for that song.
Good call. And Purple does NOT get enough credit for their co-invention of metal. Nowhere near enough credit, simply because people don't like to think of them as metal. Well, in their day, they were.
@@VaraLaFey They were and most certainly ARE Heavy Metal!!!! 🤘🏻🐻🤘🏻
Sin After Sin deserves a lot of credit for Double bass drums over heavy music, I think people still sleep on how important COZY POWELL was to drumming. Rising by Rainbow had come out a year prior to Sin After Sin and it features a lot of intense double bass drumming!
Best drummer in the world DB. Agreed
Yes, great call
Oh yeah!!!! Cozy Powell also did amazing double-bass drumming on Black Sabbath's *TYR* album!!!! Check-out "Valhalla!!!!"
Great call on pointing out Cozy Powell's double-bass work on the Rainbow's1976 "Rising" album. I've long enjoyed having his double-bass fills stuck in my head on the Stargazer track in particular.
Simon is the ultimate maestro. It doesn't matter who was first, his double bass playing in Sin After Sin is simply on another level
For all of his work and stature, he is so humble. Imagine not knowing the influence you have had on heavy metal drumming.
My favourite Priest album, and part of the reason is Simon's playing. BTW- Bill Ward used double kick technique on a section of Into The Void from Master Of Reality, released in 1971.
🤔 I'll revisit AND.... Definitely, check THAT OUT! 🥁😏🤘🔥🤘
IIRC even on the isolated track that's available somewhere on YT, it's inconclusive to listen to. Back then - and at least on Sabbath's studio budget - nobody knew how to mic two kicks. On Vol 4 in 1972 that wasn't as much an issue, and Ward's 16th notes can be clearly heard on Tomorrrow's Dream and Supernaut.
@@VaraLaFey Again..I will HAVE to go BACK and re-listen to the Sabbath stuff, (listening to THOSE tracks that you mentioned)....Being an old school Death Metal drummer myself personally? The old Sabbath stuff NEVER quite, came UP on the radar (for ANY double bass) that is, Lol. I mean 🤔 I guess? DID ol Bill Ward EVER even go to a double bass SET? SEEMS like I MIGHT, remember seeing him via late Ozzy with Sabbath era using dual kicks/more tack toms but? Again, I am NOT sure. 🤘🔥🤘
@@jamescon55 He started possibly on Master of Reality and certainly was playing them quite a bit on Vol 4. I don't think he's ever been without them since, though doesn't play them much. Def not a strong death-metal style doublekick player, but more like a Louie Bellson. I think Ward never developed his left foot, cause usually you can clearly hear his right and only partially hear his left.
Yes, Bill was absolutely using double bass drums prior to 1977. Certainly on Sabotage (1975) “Hole in The Sky”?…, and on “Snowblind” on Volume 4 in the middle section where there’s a time change…lots of places…
Great musician. And very modest. Great influence - Tommy Aldridge is a beast of the drummer. 🤘
*Tommy
@@bobthebear1246 thanks - fixed 👍
I could sit and listen to Simon talk all day, such stories and a wealth of knowledge, amazing
Have to say that the drumming on this album was brilliant along with the 1st MSG album🤩👍👑
Nice of Simon to give Tommy Aldridge credit for being one the first double kick drummers🤘
Simon & Tommy in my top 5
I was so glad Simon mentioned Tommy Aldridge. There is so much revisionist history regarding double bass drumming. I even saw someone in the comments say Cozy Powell was somehow the guy who started all of what is going on today in regards to Rainbow Rising (1976), well sorry pal, but Tommy Aldridge was playing the way we currently know hard rock/metal drummers do in terms of utilizing double bass way before that. The Raunch & Roll live album by Black Oak Arkansas was released in 1973! And that was taken from a live recording that was presumably done well before it was actually released in record stores at the time.
Tommy Aldridge is truly primarily responsible for the way drummers now think about playing with their feet. Again, he was already playing the way you hear him playing on albums like Speak of the Devil & the Ozzy Tribute to Rhoads album/s in the VERY EARLY 70's, and there is documented proof of this. Even Neil Peart (in one of his early Modern Drummer interviews) talked about how he thought about playing with his feet differently after first hearing/seeing Tommy Aldridge. And Peart's first album with Rush was in 1975!
I think it's ridiculous when I hear people talk about guys like Lombardo being the "godfather of double bass". Really? In what alternate truthless universe? Look...when it comes to double bass drumming credit must be given to Ginger Baker and Carmine Appice as well. Both pre-dated Tommy and both utilized double bass to varying extents (Carmine arguably more so than Ginger Baker). But if you listen to the drum solo on Raunch & Roll by Black Oak Arkansas (again from 1973!) the idea that anyone was utilizing double bass in the way/s that Aldridge was at that time is suspect at best.
And for record yes I'm well aware of Louie Bellson, but Louie was really only using 2 bass drums for "flurries" at the end of songs, it wasn't until the 80's that Louie really started working more modern (at the time) figures and patterns into his double bass repertoire.
Tommy Aldridge is a legend, and he doesn't get near the credit he deserves. I actually met him in 1988 backstage at a Whitesnake show. Very humble soft spoken man. And all I know is if Simon f'ing Phillips and Neil f'ing Peart would have/had both listed me as an influence on them I would definitely feel like I could go to my grave as a drummer having accomplished something of real significance. Kudos to Simon for specifically bringing up Tommy Aldridge.
Facts!!! I remember seeing BOA on the weekly TV show, In Concert, (later Don Kirshners Rock Concert) several times. I hated the voice of singer Jim Dandy, but was amazed by the drumming of Aldridge. One of their songs, I think it was called "UP" started out with a syncopated double bass intro that I can remember to this day. When Aldridge Quit BOA, he could not play professionally for a long time because the rednecks would not release him from his contract. Great post sir!
From Judas Priest to The Who to Hiromi is pretty cool 🔥🔥🔥
Yep first time I heard Simon was Sin After Sin and It's their best album still. Whenever I listen to it I have to listen to the whole thing, and of course I'm air drumming to Simon the whole time.
Agree! My first time hearing too! One of the first heavy albums I ever heard.(62 now)
When Judas Priest did there tour to support the album “Sin After Sin” they were the opening act for Led Zeppelin on most of there dates. My first time seeing both bands in concert. There are no words…..!!! Sin After Sin remains my favorite studio album from start to finish of Judas Priest’s vast catalogue . No filler songs and Rob, Glenn, and K.K. we’re performing at maximum intensity. That material is on display in all it’s glory on the live album “Unleashed In The East”. A live album that is not celebrated as being the masterpiece for Heavy Metal that it is!
@@Notes-From-Underground66 Unleashed In The East, Les Binks killed it. Everything came together in that album.
@@kenogster3059 👍
@@Notes-From-Underground66Unleashed WAS MY personal introduction to METAL, not long after it's release. My older sister (responsible for LOTTA my music introduction 😏 Thanks sis, lol.) had already helped me with hearing LPs of The Beatles, ACDC, and she gave me her LP copy of Unleashed (she didn't like it lol.) and yeah man...To me, personally? It IS one of, IF NOT? The BEST actual LIVE album of it's era, NO doubt 😎. Goin into our family room as a kid, (as my mom HAD to ALWAYS run our Zenith stereo system- record player lol.) and just STARING at the Unleashed cover art in TOTAL amazement, as the LP played ON, dude 🤔😨...SMH in amazement/reminiscing ...I WAS, IMMEDIATELY, "transformed"....Lol. JUST turned 50 y.o. in November and, STILL LOVE my METAL M.U.S.I.C. 😎🤘🔥🤘 (And yeah man! PRIEST AND Zeppelin together THEN? As a young teenager? 😵💫😳 My hat comes COMPLETELY OFF, to you, .... RESPECT. 🤘🤘
Guess I NEED to check out some Black Oak Arkansas for REAL, then! Coming from HERE in the Midwest? I HAVE talked to like, HALF a dozen people that "partied with BLA in the day" and have vague memories of Aldridge, 70s era.... Simply mind-blowing, the HISTORY of THAT dude, as well! 😮 🤘🔥🤘
Sin after Sin was a landmark album and Simon's drumming helped make it just that. Just sayin
Yep, and there he combined heavy with a sort of jazz feel that I think enhance the album. Heard somewhere that the band initially though he didn't hit the snare drum hard enough😄
This is a very cool video! Thanks for doing this with Simon Phillips and sharing it with the world.
Glad you enjoyed it! There's a few other videos from my interview with Simon on the channel, talking about working with Jeff Beck, The Who and more 🥁👍🤘
Simon drumming was superb on Dissident aggressor but who started the double bass drumming on heavy rock was Ian Paice.
Speaking of dissident aggressor, the only copy of Slayer's South of Heaven I had was on compact disc, that song was on that album but for whatever reason I couldn't find any information about the song in the liner notes. Just the title! So, the search began and a few years would pass until I would browse a record shop and I would find that same song on Sin after Sin. Great tune, even the cover was cool as well!
It came from Cream's Ginger Baker to influence Ian Paice and many others...there was tons of double bass in late 60s before Ian/DP. Cream started the whole heavy blues rock jam thing with tons of double bass, they influenced sabbath and priest and nearly all early heavy guitarists of the late 60s early 70s. Ginger Baker got it from the jazz guys of the 40s who would have double bass solo contests. And Simon got most of his chops and speed influence from fusion drummer Billy Cobham (Mahavishnu Orchestra early 70s). So thank jazz and fusion for metal drumming. Otherwise drumming in metal would still be simpler rock drumming like the earlier heavy bands.
First double bass drumming in metal that I recall was Into the Void by Black Sabbath in 1971. Bill Ward's double bass is all over the 'freedom fighters' section.
The first was Ian Paice on the song Fireball,off the Fireball album.
What a nice man, cheers ! And great seminal job !
Definitely one of my favorite drummers and albums. I think I’ll go listen to it now!
Michael Giles- King Crimson. Cozy Powell-Rainbow Rising. Both predate that album.
And much love for Simon from me BTW 👍🏻 A huge influence on me and many others I’m sure.
Rainbow Rising, POWER DRUMS. Thanks Cozy.
Yeah, i was about to say Rainbow Rising from 1976 which was something that immediately came to mind but you got there first.
John Hiseman Time Machine
When it comes to heavy metal, Cozy Powell on Rainbow Rising was the first drummer who used double bass in the way we understand it now. We could go even further with Ian Paice on Fireball…
Cozy Powell is a monster on DB drums. Ian Pace used it in Fireball. Borrowed a bass drum from Keith Moon's kit.
He referenced Black Oak Arkansas! A magnificent band! Like a sort of rustic Rolling Stones. Genuine hillbillies, but with great humor and very competent musicians. Aldridge (who was a blow in from Florida) was the musician a cut above, though the bass player was also very good.
The singer (Jim Dandy Mangrum) has a distinctive baritone that a lot of people hate but it fits the band. You have to love a band whose members lived in a cave in the Appalachians for a while, as fugitives from the law for stealing their first PA. They also have a song that starts with a recording of one of the guitarists taking a leak into a record studio ash tray. I think this is what is defined as 'raw' stuff, or street cred.
I was turned onto them by 'Uncle Elijah' (actually pre- Tommy Aldridge) and then found lots of other songs sending up Bible Belt religion ('Lord Have Mercy On My Soul' and 'Everybody Wants To See Heaven'), as well as some great Southern Rock stuff like 'Hot and Nasty', 'I Could Love You' and 'Hey Y'all' (on RUclips there is a great live video of this from Charlotte Speedway in 1974 and another from the Albert Hall in 1974 or 1975 -which might even be where Simon Phillips saw them). The first two MCA period albums are also really good, despite not having a great rep - songs like 'Bump and Grind', 'Strong Enough to Be Gentle', 'Wild Men From The Mountains' - just fantastic roots music.
Sin After Sin has some great tracks and in the long run Simon Phillips might have worked out better than the drummer JP did get, who was a very good musician but had some nasty personal habits.
I agree with SP's comments about breadth of musical exposure - I think it makes a better musician, because you can bring more to the session. You can be a very fine musician without breadth of exposure but there will be so many gaps. Whether you like jazz or not, almost all the great drummers have had some exposure/background in jazz, with its more common use of complex beats and rhythms, technical demands and careful listening and communication. But exposure to soul, blues etc. also really adds to the palate of colours a drummer can bring. Whether or not you need to live in cave and steal your first PA, I don't know - did Simon Phillips do either of these things and was this really behind his exit from Toto?
Either way? Despite "WHO 1st, used double bass in a song context"....I think, we CAN, obviously note - Simon's input for SUCH 😏... Plus? Simon also played double bass ALL OVER the album too, (as opposed to a part in a song etc.) 😏😎🥁🤘🔥🤘
Kudos to the amazing Simon Phillips on Sin After Sin! Being born personally in 73, I discovered it in the mid 80s BUT...I HAD gotten a copy of Unleashed in the East in 1980 from my older sister (who "didn't like it") as THAT WAS my 1st actual introduction to METAL music. I "think? 🤔" the Unleashed LP was giving to me right after ACDC Highway to Hell was introduced, as I became an IMMEDIATE ACDC fan, and then of course Judas Priest 😏. And so, yeah...Ya think Simon's drumming on Sin After Sin is great (as it obviously IS). Just check OUT later drummer of Priest- Les Bink's interpretations of some of those tracks LIVE on Unleashed in the East 😏🤘... THAT'S thee LIVE album "I" grew up on 🤘🔥🤘
Humble amazing drummer ✌️
Black Sabbath had double bass since Master Of Reality.
Budgie had double bass.
Fireball by Deep Purple had double bass like Judas Priest or Motörhead in title track.
Maybe not what you would call metak today although it was part of the begining but Cactus albums with Carmine and BBA had some nasty double bass stuff.
Even some early Jazz rock albums like Mahavishnu Orchestra had things pretty metal to me, the distortion, heaviness, the " i don't give a shit " almost uncontrolled punk attitude and double bass stuff by Cobham were metal, thrash in a way.
Jeff Beck with Cozy Powell had double bass, Ive got feeling thats fast, its like a pre shalalala by thin lizzy, other prototype in the genre.
Trapeze had double bass in some songs like Jury ( very Judas Priest in what they did in SWOD ), Medusa, Your Love is alright,Black Cloud and the melting intro proto thrash of Keepin'time .
Rainbow albums with Cozy had double bass.
The album "Nador" by french band Les Variations (1969) (find on YT) had very tasty double bass drums; not metal but hard rock. Song "Completely Free" comes to mind. Drummer 'Jacky' Bitton was one of the first.
@@jublaim in that genre surely.
Even though Ginger was before too.
As double bass, you go back to Luigi Balassoni ( Louie Bellson ) in 1938.
Others followed, such Sam Woodyard, Ed Shaunessy, Dave Black in the 50's.
Rufus speedy Jones too along others.
@@Nissardpertugiu Thank you for pointing out! I wasn't aware that it has being around for such a long time. As it seems Louie Bellson had a special Gretch double bass set made for him. Have to YT some more.
Yes!! Also Nazareth on a few songs, like Razamanaz
100%. he literally invented modern metal drumming (by accident) on this record.
I think the first drummer to consistently be hitting the double bass and using it on more than just a single song was Cozy Powell. I mean great chance I am wrong, but 1976's Rainbow Rising was pure epicness. IMO the first "Power metal" album, and just a huge inspiration in metal. "Light in the Black" with its doublebass patterns driving the tune.
Whereas Bonham, Ward and Paice truly inspired many rock and metal drummers, I think it was Cozy that inspired the guys that would be leading the NWOBHM and most euro metal bands as well as the trash bands to come.
Sin After Sin is a great album and Simon is one of the reasons why.
Ian Paice, Tommy Aldridge, Carl Palmer, and Simmon Phillips might introduced double kick on rock or metal genre but Louie Belson pioneered double bass playing,..my opinion as a fusion drummer myself too.
Love it.
Roger Glover producer of sin after sin was the best idea in the world at that time.
So humble. Actually there was also a Nazareth song in the early 70's that had double bass drumming on it, I don't remember which one...
Razamanaz*
AHH '77, Bought sin when it came out at 16
Yeah, 16 too!
Reminds me of the days of Steel Dragon. It was during that era right about the time Pookie went Ka Poots ! 🐝🐝
“Let it Roll” by UFO has double bass in 1975. Not that their drummer was in Simon’s league.
I liked Andy Parker.
Deep Purple Fireball recorded in 1971 pure double bass
🤔Let me say this... Sad Wings of Destiny, Sin After Sin, and Stained Class
are seriously underrated albums.. If anyone thinks any of those albums are not fantastic examples of heavy Rock, then they really are not in tune with the vibe..😉👨🏻
I always say that the first 6 Judas Priest albums can't be beat...... except for the first 6 Black Sabbath albums.🤘
@@budgiemcleod4443 👍
Lucifer's Friend - Ride The Sky (1971) 6 years before Judas Priest Sin After Sin album
louie belson,keith moon,ginger baker,carmine appice,brian downey.
03:20 70s were a genre blur musically, Black Oak Arkansas , while heavy Southern rock, kinda like Skynryrd, , and gave us Jim Dandy prototype David Lee Roth..not "Metal"...the term didn't even exist...we called it all "Heavy Rock"...some late 60s early 70s leftovers called it "acid rock" Doh !!!.
Sorry for the great Simon Phillips, but he wasn't the first to play double-bass in Metal. Ian Paice was one of the first (in Fireball) and, of course, Cozy Powell on Hammer-Bedlam records. Obviously also Tommy Aldridge with BOA, but especially Mick Tucker from Sweet. RIP
Definitely a great Drummist,and I bought that album.
He had no bearing on double pedal playing tho' IMO😂
Simon Philips= The best technical drummer Judas Priest ever had.
Les Binks= The best all around drummer Judas Priest ever had.
You obviously haven't heard of Rainbow and Cozy Powell
Thin Lizzy's Sha la la predates by three years. Not even close. Brian Downy and Cozy were doing full double kicks songs long before everyone else caught up
If he wants to credit Tommy, that's fine, but Tommy didn't play metal.
Well some Pat Travers tunes are heavy, even few rendition of BOA live.
Tommy playing, even he's in fact quite funky, was modern metal coordinations before it was athing
That's all Tommy played was metal.
Say what? Do you know who Tommy Aldridge is?
Philthy Animal.
also Alice Cooper Killer funeral dirge
Simon is way too good for Judas Priest.
Darrell Sweet of Nazareth on 1973's 'Razamanaz', incredible double bass drumming. However, Purple and Sabbath even before that.
Of all the great drummers, Simon is THE MAN.
And ftr, double-kick was used on Sabbath's Vol 4 in 1972: both Supernaut and Tomorrow's Dream have very prominent pounding double kick. There may be earlier uses than that in what we consider metal, but that's the earliest inarguable instance which comes to my mind atm.
Glad scott travis got that gig! Coulnt imagine you behind the kit.