The Surprisingly Black History of Veganism
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Veganism can be traced back over two thousand years to the ancient cultures in India, the Mediterranean basin and Africa.
Special thanks to Sweet Potato Soul and By Any Greens Necessary.
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Thank you. My Rwandan friend said that their traditional diet was vegetarian before colonialism. People also had long life spans. I also heard that the Bantu and Dinka were vegetarian as well. The Coptics in Egypt believe they were originally vegetarian and this is the reason for their vegan fasting traditions. There is probably so much more that we don't know.
Coptics aren't black.
@@AmandaFromWisconsin Egypt is Africa and many Egyptians are Black. The Copts are an example of people who believe themselves to have been vegetarian in ancient times. Coptics are descendants of ancient Egyptians - the language is derived from Hieroglyphics. Nubians ruled Egypt. The Zanj Uprising integrated East Africans into Iraq. There is so much more unknown Black history throughout the Middle East. Colonization has brainwashed us. If you really know Egypt, you will know the people have Africa in their blood.
Egypt is a very mixed country with European, Berber, Arab and other ethnic groups mixed up in there, which isn't surprising given its location. Egypt is not a "black" nation... whatever "black" actually means... the Egyptians don't look particularly "black" to me, more varying shades of brown...
Furthermore the ancient Egyptians were more like the Armenians and people of the Levant...
"So it turns out that modern Egyptians share more genetic ancestry with Sub-Saharan Africans than ancient Egyptians did, while the ancient Egyptians show a closer genetic affinity with ancient people from the Near East and the Levant like Armenians... Looking back however, with the recent study in mind, it is highly possible that the ancient Egyptian Pharaohs had European or Armenian ancestry." Source: www.peopleofar.com/2017/06/05/ancient-egyptians-were-closer-to-armenians-than-to-africans-a-new-genetics-study-reveals/
@@pantha4pantera You obviously have never been to Egypt, especially Southern Egypt - it borders Sudan. Southern Egypt is where the ancient part of Egypt still exists. Yes Egyptians are mixed with Europeans (this is especially true in the North and in the big cities) but that came much later in history. Did you know that old European paintings from the 19th century depicting the Middle East were commercials for colonialism? Did you know that they lightened people’s skin and made them look more European? People have been brainwashed for a long time to believe lies. Even Egyptians have been brainwashed to hate their own Blackness - skin lighteners and hair straightening are huge industries. Many of them will even be happy that you have been fooled to think they are white. And it’s so easy to fool you when all you know is an Orwellian lie. All over the Middle East there is a history of African Ancestry that people like you have zero knowledge of. You also don’t know how much people hide what they really look like. Many Egyptians purposely stay out if the sun to make their skin as white as possible. It’s a survival instinct. Colonialism was incredibly brutal and terrorized people in a permanent way. And your ridiculous idea that ancient Egyptians were white is a continuation of this big huge LIE. It is an erasure of our history as human beings on this planet. Your source admits that Egyptians have African DNA. Egypt was ruled by Nubian Pharos too. Egypt is in Africa and borders other African countries. Egypt has been multicultural for thousands of years. That doesn’t change the fact that Egypt is Africa and Egypt is also Black.
@@theartofbellydance blah blah blah you are so indoctrinated full of sh1t. Egypt is not "black" it is a mixed country, as one would expect given its location. European DNA is NOT new to Egypt, there used to be significant European populations throughout the Levant and North Africa, just those genetics are less prominent now they have been mixed with so many Arabs and in some regions sub-saharan africans.... That does not make them "black".
This comment section is a mess 😂
Yes, everyone at every point probably had meat as a part of their diet for SURVIVAL. They arent debunking all meat consumption. This is a simple display that veg centered cuisine can be found all over the world and DID NOT ORIGINATE in America with avocado toast.
The reason it's important to highlight Black folks here is because of toxic stigmas and stereotypes like veggie burgers being "white people food" when Black folks and Natives were forced on to poor quality meat/flour/processed foods ect. Videos like this are important and I'd love to see more stats, data, sources, and recipes in the future 🌺✨
The avocado toast took me out!!
@@simplytrinabean me too 😂
respect to all the black Americans who are contributing to this movement
I agree
Thank you.
What about white Americans?
@@v.hamilton5679 respect to them also.
Veganism is a philosophy distinct from eating plant-based. And it's pretty telling that you would confuse and conflate those two concepts. While it's true that many cultures throughout history have subsisted on mostly or fully plant-based diets, that's not the same as saying they were VEGAN. Veganism implies seeing animals as individuals we should refrain from exploiting/harming/abusing for ANY purpose (including, but not limited to, entertainment or labor).
While you're right about the distinction between vegan and plant based & I see the value in that these days but I think if we reduce conversations to vegan = good, plant based = bad, we can miss out of some nuance & history.
The vegan movement - a philosophy that is in a sense a response to especially horrific European originated practices of farming & consuming animals & their secretions which was exported with colonialism & capitalism around the world, can also be seen culturally as having roots that go much further back.
There is a reason the word 'vegan' didn't exist til the 20th century, and that's because capitalistic industrial agriculture (which was exported from Europe) was what prompted the movement.
In Europe until relatively recently (middle of the 19c), one of the leaders of one of the most prominent Christian churches in Europe banned the creation of a society for the prevention of cruelty to animals, as it was seen as implying humans had an obligation of welfare to non human animals. Meanwhile Buddhist philosophy taught universal compassion for all beings (including animals) & people ate more plant based diets, & places around other continents - Asia, Africa (as I've been learning) & countless Indigenous peoples lived on plant based or largely plant based diets.
Keep in mind that veganism is a movement prompted in response to industrial age aggriculture (which had been exported also to places that had previously had a heritage of low or no animal based diets).
But it is worth acknowledging that it was European cultural practices that were exported to places that were already doing (not to romanticise or anything, same as with Buddhism) OK with their philosophy or outlook on non human animals, or at least far better, prior to the intrusion/invasion of European colonisers with our culture of dominance over animals.
The UK talking about a half ass law to acknowledge that animals, at last, can be seen as sentient (so beyond obvious), not even to do anything about it, banning cruel farrowing crates - which is why we can't rely on laws.. just more of us need to just go vegan 🌱 (& unbeknownst to most nonvegans & many vegans, it is a philosophy open to all & it is in fact antivegan takes on veganism that are classist & ableist!).
I feel like the white introduced concept of separating veganism from being "plant-based" is rooted in racism and classism. From the group of people who actually invented veganism (mine) to the group of people who appropriated it (yours), let me INFORM you, there is no difference.
Whether people are eating vegan because they see animals as individuals or because they feel that consuming animal products is unhealthy, at the end of the day, the animals still benefit.
It's so shocking to me how often white vegans will talk about having respect for animals, but they have so much trouble showing basic respect for other human beings, especially when those human beings are from the culture you appropriated your veganism from.
No one race or culture was ever universally vegan vegan is strictly about the animals, yes of course there was African groups that ate predominantly plant based it doesn’t mean that your White people stole the ideology of veganism from ‘YOUR’ culture
Because none of what we have today existed and eating fruit off trees and bushes also would automatically have meant the land and animals were safe?
@@Ilikefrogs.. Agreed.
The west African diet is predominantly plant based - the consumption of meat is a recent phenomenon. Even still- there is no traditional dish I know of that does not have a significant amount of veg partnered with it.
That's far from the truth just look at indigenous people and see how they eat.
Black Goddess lmao imagine making spears and shit to hunt vegetables in the middle of the Sahara 😂
@@kayplantin2625 most of West African populations were farmers with only few tribes of hunter-gatherers
@@simonescelsa Name one indigenous tribe please!?
@@simonescelsa I mean name one plant base eating tribe?
Think she meant Africans have had a predominantly plant based diet. That's not the same as a Vegan diet.
Why do you assume what she meant instead of hearing and understanding exactly what she said? If you can't read her mind and she doesn't correct herself, then the safe conclusion is that she said what she meant to say.
That being said, what she said is a lie.
@@wordivore because one is a true statement and one is revisionist history and it’s not good to assume the latter was intentional
Africans (pre-colonialism/atlantic slave trade) Africans absolutely ate animal sourced foods.
One Example was aquatic/seafood animals from rivers, streams, shores, lakes etc.
Just because a group of people usually ate mostly plant based and were eating a notable portion size of any animal-sourced food between once a week -to- once a day doesn’t mean it’s historically accurate to call them pioneers of vegan diets / abstaining from animal sourced foods
Saying “I think she meant” assumes innocence _(such as misspeaking, being misinformed, used a source she didn’t know perpetuates misconception, being confused about how much you can stretch the definition of a term before it’s untrue etc)_ otherwise we’d have to assume her as guilty _(such as intentionally lying for the sake of the video engagement, willingfully using the term ignorantly & apathetically, disinformation spreading for the sake of an agenda etc)_
It’s unkind and unfair to assume guilt and malice when there is no evidence of such when someone makes an untrue statement. Politely correcting her and assuming innocence is the right thing to do
I LOVE that you put the sources at the bottom of the screen.
Master loves to watch his slaves descendants eat McNuggets, Domino's, ribs and BWW. Master gets angry when he sees us eating veggies, reading a book or exercising. Scream at the sister all you want. Sometimes you can't see your living in master's house.
Louder please.
Master died 250 years ago, so did his slaves. A person's character isn't defined by their ancestors
Jake Pearce I agree w where ur gettin at, but slavery never really ended it just masked as sum else
Yep! I escaped the plantation years ago! 6 years vegan 🌱 💪🏾!
Have you been to Africa?? Damn! We were hunters. If course we didn't eat Mc nuggets or mcwhatever but is not the same as eating healthy meat hunt with our hands in the wild.
Also what are people in these comments going on about? Lol. Black people have roots from all over the world. They really do, overall, have a strong historical connection to plant based eating and if you aren't interested enough to learn about the world you live in, leave.
Black people DO NOT have roots frm all over the world but you’re right veganism was always in our history.
You are talking about the mainly if not completely plant diets of people in Africa, Asia etc, ‘’Vegan’’ is not a diet but a way of living that ‘’seeks to avoid harm to animals wherever possible and practicable’’. That has a philosophical basis so includes all aspects of our lives, avoiding animal derived clothes, cosmetics, entertainment etc etc.
The relief of finding this after searching through a sea of sadly preachy white washed versions of veganism. Really enjoyed this., both educational and fun
Agreed!
I mean, if this it's true, you better quote your sources. Because, in my home country Ghana, we eat meat and fish quite often
@@MartianBlues11 I don't believe that one bit
It is true but it would have been cool if she cited sources.
Watch the bottom of the screen. The sources are cited.
@@MartianBlues11 yes I read the source and you literally contradicted yourself by sharing it probably not thinking people would read it .Sister you claimed during pre-colonial eras of Africa people stuck to a predominant plant-based diet FACT but you even said yourself they still ate meat "WILD GAME " and fish which is still meat I don't get why people label this shit like this but my point is they were omnivores NEEEEEVEEEEER VEGAN your trying to SLIIIIDE that in with vegetarianism but vegetarianism and veganism are two different things 🤣 stooop bullshitting your self .
@@xenophile84 read the source, its pure nonsense. contradicts itself in the same sentences and never said anything about ancient "africans" being vegan. but that they only eat meat rarely, at weddings, funerals and births (lol)
nothing about other animal products
This is an awesome video! Definitely sharing 🥰
I managed to put on more weight after adopting a plant-based diet 6.5 yrs ago. Not to mention I'm a 38 year old man in great shape who could run at least 50 miles in a day.
So many reasons to go vegan. Slaughterhouses are typically in an area near poor people. Can you imagine the stench those people have to endure? A lot of undocumented people also work at those. Must be miserable for them, also.
Yes and NONE should be segragated!!!
700 BC Homer's Odyssey talks about the lotohagi (lotus eaters) indigenous people from the North African coast who lived on Lotus plants, fruits and flowers that also served as narcotics.
So how come they have found sites in Africa where ancient peoples had processed animals for food? What are your anthropological sources for the information you present in this video?
Basically this is a know-nothing, click-bait, anti-white, black-supremacist video with no substance... They just made it all up. There is no evidence for the claims made in this video.
This simply political rhetoric and propaganda.
Ikr.
@@nikkiloveslife4841 Disgusted more like it! Veganism and Vegetarianism should belong to all humans.
everyone should go vegan
I agree
AKA Colonizers. We had to eat what they fed us.
I am sorry but here I have to disagree with you as an Zulu who lives in Africa. Our culture is deeply contacted to meat from ancestral rituals and other festivities such as lobola. Infact all Nguni tribes are centured on eating meat and using animals for other ceremonies
But I like your video from 🇿🇦🇿🇦
Siyabonga Ndlovu Totally after. My ancestors are used to trade salt for crying out loud. And the reason I mention salt because at the time it was even more valuable than GOLD , and that’s simply because it was used a preservative on MEAT!
@@Five2_ True salt was called White gold. Even African people of nobility use to trade slaves in order to get it. So I don't understand why she said that veganism is African because our history tells that Africa was never vegan, our diet mainly consisted of meat. That is we use measure ones wealth with cattle because symbolised your ability to feed to your family and others
Siyabonga Ndlovu exactly smh. I really wanna see where she got this info from. If she wants to be vegan that’s fine but don’t lie about veganism being apart of african history 🙄
@@Five2_ I totally agree with you she should have double checked the info or read about African history and culture before doing this video
you must understand to sell veganism you can lie deceive BS the rest of us into oblivion. no matter i got a fart-o -meter for my cow. so i can pay my taxes and be a good slave
Veganism is God's perfect diet for us all ♡
And do you know that after Noah and his family left the Ark, he told the that they can eat meat?
YES!!!
Thanks❤
I don't think the cattle nomads in Africa could agree with you.
Thank you so much for this video!
Everything starts with us and they need to know that! The Most High gave His children (us) the herb to be our meat, it’s says so in the book of Genesis 1:29
Didn't he also ask for animal sacrifices though?
Didn't he also ask for animal sacrifices though?
Love the message and love the messenger!
I agree
Many African societies were MOSTLY as in 90% vegan. It was rare that they ate meat, unless they were a part of the elites. The overindulgence of meat we now see in Africa and also, for those of us in the States (abroad), plus the large amounts of dairy and eggs that we now consume, were NEVER a part of our initial diets pre-European presence. Too many us are sick because of over nutrition and the excessive amounts of meat and dairy foods we intake daily. Though there was some misinformation in that African societies were completely vegan, but the majority of their lifestyles were in fact vegan and as a result they were healthier, and lived fuller lives. We need to stop advocating for diets that do more to harm us just because we enjoy the taste and the release of immediate gratification. You can eat meat, but let's not forget that veggies and fruits, were some, if not fully, on our plates.
Thank you for your observation, i'm currently 6yrs vegan and I love it- I would like to start programs for people looking to earn additional income by promoting balanced vegan meals for the family. Have a wonderful day I hope I reach you!
@@charlesficheriii1478 Wow! Thank you so much for stopping by to leave such an encouraging post! I would love to hear more about your amazing vegan journey. Please contact me at oaghomon16@gmail.com so we can discuss your program further!
@Omo A.
As and African, that's not true.
@@isaacdiakite3264 thank you I'm tired of seeing all these African-Americans on here acting like they know every single thing about Africa.
Trying to put globalist vegan nonsense and twist it to apply to Africa. Veganism is a western diet and any people that ate plant diets were poor and died
It's so funny how many people in these comments don't realise that Africa is a continent with 3000 different ethnic groups living on it. 😂
I feel solidarity with all black vegans. Superogative compassion and fundamental protection from abuse and oppression of all individuals are the values necessary for the solidarity of all humanity.
Beautiful.
bushmeat didn't exist till after slavery apparently.
Okay, so the first thing is that I'm a huge fan of Sweet Potato Soul (Jenne Claiborne), I'm also vegan, and I did enjoy the video. BUT I do think that she needed to be clearer about the context in which she discussed the history of black veganism because I don't think it was.
I re-watched it to make sure I understood it correctly. She is not saying the whole of Africa was entirely vegan at one point or that there was no meat eating and cattle ranching; only that it does have some roots there and that plant based eating is NOT new or that foreign to Africans as many people assume it is and only white (elites) keep a vegan diet.
That's cause we were likely originally frugivores and adapted to an omnivore lifestyle.
Yep! Frugivore, when our half-white mother doesn't force feed us on processed potentially further compromized only just "vegan" cr*p, if not cross-contaminated by hands, from resturants, and/or at home and when no choice but to stay in our inherited house, disabling us more with it?
Also wanting to be breatharian, but is also codependant on us?
It's so amazing when one finally finds joy in achieving something that's so important to human ,Dr Aluda you truly God sent, The herbs you sent to me work like magic am healthy now💖💖💖
Hey that’s sweet potato soul!
Dr. Weston Price, on his visit to Africa in 1935 to study the different eating habits of their natives, separated these into two main groups: the "carnivores" and the "vegetarians", the latter being represented by tribes such as the Bantu, the Kikuyu or the Wakamba, dedicated to agriculture and whose essential diet consisted of "potatoes, corn, beans, bananas and millet." For Price, in fact, those who showed a healthier state among all the peoples who had the opportunity to study were the Dinka, who barely included some marine animals in a regime of plant predominance. 40 years later, Drs. Edward and Peter Williams discovered that the carnivorous tribes who had described the price "disappeared for the most part," the inhabitants of the region having become "peasant farmers" whose diet consisted mainly of "millet, cassava flour, lentils, peanuts, green leafy vegetables like spinach and cabbage, and bananas. '
Price was a quack. Throw that book away and forget about it. He contributed pretty much NOTHING.
You need a source for that quote, cause i cant find it.
@@itstrysten What are you contributing? Lies that veganism is healthy?
@@wordivore good one!
@@itstrysten photos dont lie though, people who eat a diet without enough meat and dairy have a worse bone structure, ugly weak jaws, crooked teeth. there are before and after photos, when hunter gatherers were unfortunately "civilized" they became uglier. also keep in mind skeletons from 1000 years ago NEVER had crooked teeth. gee i wonder why, were they eating kale smoothies? no, they ate a lot of tough food; like MEAT. eating heavily plant/grain based diet is not just bad for your health, it's making everyone uglier as well. crooked teeth and recessed faces arent genetic, its a result of eating soft crappy food. like mushed up avocado. this is true in every single race, because price visited isolated europeans as well (a swiss alpine village unconnected to any main roads and a scottish village in the outer hebrides islands) if you want a more modern example, dr. mike mew has also talked about this
She doesn't sound racist at all.
Nah my tribe has been hunting for meat and they are the most ancient tribe in Africa.
Thank you for making a topic about nutrition a black and white thing. I am always fascinating to find radical obsessions.
Veganism isn’t about nutrition, it’s about oppression and if you don’t see how that relates to racial dynamics then you’re dumber than a rock
Thank you, thank you, thank you! And vegan Greek-Cypriot, here, too! 💚💗
And no compromises by colonialism, allowed!!!
black people are our Ancient Hindu ancestors who first came to India from Africa.. period..
People need to go vegan especially people of colour thanks for sharing the knowledge
Why do "people of colour" especially need to go vegan? If you really cared about animals wouldn't you want all peoples of the world to go vegan?
@@pantha4pantera stop trying to pick apart my comment to argue. I never said I did not care about animals of course I do but also there are other benefits to being vegan such as health. African Americans have the most health problems is that easy enough for you to grasp? Yes I hope one day every one will become Vegan.
@@pantha4pantera Yes, agreed, but also should know better and by now and we need to en colonialism and their trojanization of everything?
@@emi6099 Thank you.
@@TheSapphireLeo LOL you are such a clown
Also its biologoically easier for a black person to go vegan. We need selenium while white people need sulfur. I am a part time raw vegan and I am strong I cheat occasionally cuz i like what i like lol (i know i should do better) but I am strong and have strong legs and am quick definitely not lacking protien. I eat watercress, dandelion greens, cilantro, mustard greens, kale, spinach and arugula, I also eat pumkin seeds. I also eat quinoa and fonio. Lots of sweet potato. Lots of oatmeal, lots of bananas and avocados and beans. I have more energy than all my friends. I recommend everyone should try adding whole plant foods to their diet especially greens. I might eat a wendy's double stack or mcdonalds sausage mcmuffin no egg occasionally but thats about it. Exercise, not eating at night and good sleep (hardest part) will do you wonders.
Love this lady's work and I am ecstatic that veganism is growing in leaps and bounds. Yes its healthier, yes its great for the planet, yes it brings down various co-operations (can't stand them) but most of all it saves my beloved animals from a life of torture and death. This is what makes my heart sing because it has cried so many times for the plight of animals.
Hunter gatherer tribes were shooting spears at b12 shots and Vita Blenders.
Interesting you single out B12. B12 has to be added to feed "lifestock" artificially because they don't get it from soil, so cows, pigs & chickens etc have to be supplimented with B12. We humans used to get our B12 direct from consuming bits of soil on our plants too. Vegans currently get their B12 in a more direct way than nonvegans.
Thank you for all the wisdom 💜💜💜💜💜!!
This is not wisdom in any sense.
@@unwnme Oh ok! Thank you for the clarification
I just said that this is not wisdom. I could have been more clear and said that it is information, not wisdom. Two different things.
@@unwnme I appreciate your clarification on this matter
Irina wish be your friend forever. Artem said😂
All in warm in hot equatorial climates, not appropriate for cold climates, vegetarianism is better in cooler and cold climates.
They had to kill animals in cold climate to keep from freezing. and meat to eat when nothing grows all winter.
Talk about black veganism is talk about M.O.V.E
Nice video 👍 I always try to tell people veganism is not that new. Very natural.
This lady is so lovely and effervescent ❤❤❤❤
So you claimed veganism has its roots in India and the Mediterranean and ive done extensive studies on there cultures and yes they have HIGH levels of vegation and fruit in there diets but they where not vegan,they still consumed milk and occasionally ate meat in the Mediterranean India on the other hand is probably the only culture in the world that has come close to a vegan diet but The ayurvedic system of health has included milk in their diets for thousands of years . AFRICA is not vegan either ,yes an ancient times the consumption of fruits and vegetables were much more abundant but this doesn't mean they only ate this way ,Kemet in ancient times consumed high amounts of vegetation and fruits but still consumed a lot of fish and occasionally ate red meat, Ethiopia probably the only place in Africa where you can find straight vegan dishes still eat meat better yet they consume raw meats . the koi ,the san ,the abatwa of the congo and other numerous nomadic hunter-gathering tribes consume meat raw and many of them like most tribes in the Americas during pre-colonial eras never consumed greens or vegetation of any kind and only consumed fruit seasonally .I've been a vegan for 5 years and it's ridiculous to see what people do in order to normalize new ageism , I don't eat meat only because I don't have to in today's society but living in the natural world as far as I've come to understand you will die being a vegan or at least be skin and bones due to the reality that most of the plant life throughout the natural world is poisonous and the body can't break down fiber and eventually would lead to constipation if it was are only source of food,WE ARE NOT GORILLAS ,ELEPHANTS ,TURNTLES ECT ,WE ARE HUMANS that have completely different stomach enzymes and digestive systems then these animals and through the millions of years we have been on this planet we have been omnivores and remain omnivores to this day biologically . I don't doubt at one time the planet was so massively resourceful that we didn't have to eat meat of any kind but in today's society this is not so and it's a world wide reality ,peace .
This video doesn't seem very well researched, just click bait anti-white black supremacist nonsense...
Please would you be so kind as to enlighten us with the actual name or location of the population in Africa that has a history of veganism?🤔
I also would like to know 😕!
@@AngelaMerici12 l think we will have a long, long, wait for this answer 🤔 since there has never been a population in Africa that has been vegan🙃
@@ayinke1481 Exactly 😊👌!
Here’s a link to a discussion about it.
Hope that helps.
thisisafrica.me/politics-and-society/african-vegans-return-tradition/
@@MartianBlues11 Thanks but this article has no references.
It is just made up opinion not based on ancient bones or teeth or ancient tools, fishing hooks, paintings or traditions.
It is just ridiculous to state that the birthplace of mankind and civilization evolved eating a nutritionally deficient diet.
Animal foods contain all the essential nutrients for fertility and brain health......
Plants and carbohydrates contain NO essential nutrients.... hence why, long term, all vegans experience some form of deterioration and no population of the world has ever been vegan.
Her argument wasn’t as good as the lady in the Popeye’s commercial. On another note: How do vegans feel about oral sex, putting meat in ur mouth is against the rules right?
Would not recommend, since processed, let alone if also full of bad intake and adrenaline and cortisol?
Thank you!
There was no veganism in Africa. Do you not know what the Masai people are. Stop spreading lies.
Thanks for the video. It was informative and nice!
Informative LOL it was a lot of BS
@@pantha4pantera Ikr, I can't believe there are actually people saying "thanks this was informative." 🤦🏽♀️
Increased animal products consumption is almost always a sign of colonization!
@ATTN: The Surprisingly 'BROWN"History of Veganism
Where’s my initial comment? Did it touch a nerve? If yes good.
@Kaity I forgot 😕
I've seen some stupid on RUclips.
This wins the crown.
Why?
@@hammou1312 BECAUSE "WAKANDAA".
The second sentence refers to the first one.
Absolutely ridiculous isnt it and some of the comments too. I guess my west african ancestors saw all that fish and said no thanks. I cant believe ppl are buying every single argument for this vegan agenda
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Yeah tell this to the Masai tribe
This is all nonsense. The Egyptians for example, where NOT vegans, far before any colonization. Vegan is not African. All of our ancestors hunted and gathered, all of them. Veganism is not anyone's traditional diet.
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🙏🏼👣🐾🕊🌎❤Cornwall, UK 🥰
I Love Learning New Information 📚💜 Very informative✍
Then you must be disappointed.
I would like to get the source of the ancient African tribes that ate a vegan diet.
Yeah, I am sure African communities never had factory farming so you can't compare the two! You are comparing apples to oranges!
What's your point? The point is that those African communities eat vastly less meat. Their natural lifestyle consisted of way less meat than the natural lifestyle of the Europeans, and it's because of what the landscapes required for adapting and surviving. Thriving in Europe necessitated all of the tightly-gripping, environmentally controlling and regimenting, systems that are being moderated today. They were necessary back then and were a blessing to spread to the world, and now it is time to use a different more kind, humane, and natural way of relating to nature and technology.
Im an African coming from the Luo tribe in Kenya. We where river lake nilotes and our main source of food was fish and meat from our cattle and that was over 2000 years ago. So i don't know what you are talking about here. Restrict your propaganda to Black Americans, stop claiming things as fact without proper research.
You are black in skin but American in your heart. Vegan Africans?? Have you ever been there?? Have you even watched a documentary??
Veganism is not Ancient but modern and it is not just a white thing, every race has been vegan in it's short history. Veganism is not for one race but ALL races. As a Vegan you dream of ALL people embracing veganism.
Eating plants is not the same as veganism that is why people say they are eating more plant based instead of eating more vegan.
Veganism isn't just about diet, it is about Animal welfare! Veganism started when we decided to put Animals in Factory farms and torture them. Someone who is 100 percent vegan doesn't just eat plants but they abstain from buying and using Animal products such as shoes, animal Entertainment such as, the circus.
Yeah, so even if every African ate plants it does not mean they are vegan unless they stopped using feathers and animals skins in their clothes.
There is a difference between eating a plant based diet and being vegan.
Veganism is about Animal welfare
Vegetarianism are the ones that don't eat meat but eat more plants. But they still use and eat some animal products.
Plant based are people than only eat plants but still use or sometime consume animals products maybe, honey or leather.
Maybe, these Africans were vegetarian or plant based like Indians but not Vegan because look at ancient African clothes, it is not vegan, they used animal skins, feathers and animal fur.
I smell *bullshit* 🤔
You lost the attraction when you mentioned 'White Privileged' Colin Kaepernick 👩🏼🦱🏈🧎🏽
Black people were the first people and they were vegan!
The Africans themselves are telling you their ancestors were never vegans.
Also U.S. Senator Cory Booker, Prince, etc.
Bobby's Perspective (extreme anti-vegan channel) posted a response video of sorts which explains the surge of comments by meatheads.
T Joe or... it could be a bunch of people some of which are Africans who know what their culture is about and know veganism was never a thing in ANY culture in Africa EVER!
@@Five2_ I wonder if I should have added the word "triggered" in all caps just before "meatheads" in my comment.
T Joe you could’ve then again the only triggered person here is you lmao.
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Here’s a link to do some reading on.
thisisafrica.me/politics-and-society/african-vegans-return-tradition/
@@MartianBlues11 not sure why I didn’t get a notification for a reply but for a like 🧐.. but anyways your link doesn’t really prove anything. There is only a mention of 2 countries in all of Africa. It doesn’t take into account the many DIFFERENT ethnic groups in either country let alone the 1000s of other ethnic groups all across Africa some of which were and still are carnivores.
Whole food plant based for the environment and health; vegan for the victims!
I am here because ThinkAboutThis made a video.
Yeah, I am sure African communities never had factory farming so you can't compare the two! You are comparing apples to oranges!
If those ancient africans were given meat and told it was edible they would eat it! Because their principles are NOT actually vegan! Their morals are not vegan!
Most ancient cultures around the world ate a veggie diets because it was cheaper and more accessible than meat, that is not the same as being vegan, who would not eat meat under any circumstances even if it was cheap and available.
What are you going on about? African bodies are literally optimized for hunting and we’re the best at it. We come from a long line of hunter gatherers!
Let's say you didn't have a human consciousness, so as to say you don't have tools and weapons, what has God given you to catch and kill and even eat meat? You have to cook it to be safe to eat, you need the speed to catch the animal, you need teeth or claws to kill and eat the animal smh
make it fit no matter what. lol
"No matter what" - which thing? Reveal yourself.
Not sure why you want to take credit for malnutrition, but ok.
Considering humans gotta cook meat to healthily eat it that says a lot about how natural it is for us.
Also pandas eat bamboo yet are carnivores. You can’t base everything on teeth!
asmRTPOP plenty of people eat raw meat. And most vegetables need to be cooked to be palatable/safe. So your argument is bullshit.
@power house People eat raw grains.
@power house Probably talking about sprouting them, but still even that isn't good for our digestive systems. Vegans think it's healthy though, they just think wrong. Lol.
Thank you for raising awareness about the Black history of veganism. We recently spoke to Monique Koch, the host of the award-winning Brown Vegan Podcast, about how social media has changed vegan community building in the Black community: ruclips.net/video/WPlzsJBKKlQ/видео.html
Most arfrican communicates wear animal hide! That ain't vegan!
That's not a universal fact. Plenty of them also wear/wore woven fabric. And traditionally when they did wear animal hide, it was to be an honoring mark of distinction, and not a normative fashion. You had to earn your lion, tiger, or otherwise-pelt, rendering the practice even more rare and even reverential to the animals. This was also true in America and other indigenous cultures.
It's also not mysterious why. These cultures preferred to, and could afford to, live with less environmental control, than did people in other climates, and so while they did not have the opportunity to utilize animals as abundantly as Europeans might have, they also didn't need or want to, and morally and practically should not have, because that could practically mean the local extinction of those animals.
So it's not about saying they were vegan and inherently better morally, but because of how and where they were prone to live, eating way less meat, and having a higher barrier against killing an abundance of animals, was a real practical difference between Southern Hemisphere life and Northern Hemisphere life.
Why Are You Lying ?
For clicks!
Yup... 🤘😎🌱
How misguided.
If you’re vegan you do you. Just stay away from me.
Amen
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This video is wrong on so many levels.
ATTN:- Where BuzzFeed News goes to die
Trying to find vegans in the Hebrew Torah, Bible and Quran. But it seems they were all shepherds and sacrifice and ate cows and sheep.
doesn’t she have a white husband? Lol
I don't particularly like how your conveying the message here. Like you don't got to make it about blacks vs whites. You can still talk about black vegans and whatnot without comparing....like it's just so silly when what matters most is the lives of the animals humans play with. Environmental issues and health is all secondary.
Sure it matters but you didn't even focus on the most important aspect, all the animals humans breed (artificially inseminate/rape) into existence just to use. How dairy cows are the beef industry, how egg laying chickens are the chicken industry...why vegetarianism is still fully supportive of such an abusive industry that uses and uses these animals until they are worn out, not even reaching their primes before getting sent to be slaughtered. Like okay im fine with you wanting to target a black audience but you need to explain what matters!
Liar.
Her language in this video is pretty racist too.
stfu
@@ninaedwards345 Lol, triggered. It was racist. Think about a white woman making a video and referring to black women the way she did about white women. You know people would have a conniption.
I'm a white, middle class, middle aged boring vegan......aka a vegan. You seem lovely but this seems like a crazy topic. Is the next video about a homosexual man that is opposed to child cruelty? Or a Mexican that hates our plastic filled ocean? It's just a bit weird. Your videos are clean and watchable, maybe make the next video showing the giant fuck up that is how all humans of every skin colour pay to have animals mutilated and killed for an unnecessary jacket or heart disease burger. Or if you thought black people were less likely to go vegan for whatever reason, I wouldn't have a clue, just keep showing how the animals are treated then (white persons name) and (black persons name) will all want to end animal cruelty. This comment isnt me trying to be a dick, it's just my two cents.
Lies!
Meat. Destroy. Black comunity i. Could explain it
nope nop nope
A very informative video
Not really, more like a very clickbaity video with little actual substance.
@@pantha4pantera Ikr, it's so sad with how many people are being brainwashed by this. 🤦🏽♀️