UNEXPECTED Results! MacBook Pro M3 Pro vs Mac Studio M2 Max
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- Putting the M3 Pro MacBook Pro up against the M2 Max Mac Studio!
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I've been using the space black MacBook Pro M3 Pro and the 2023 Mac Studio a ton over the last couple weeks and I've been trying to decide which is better - I love both of these machines, but there are some things I don't like, and some surprises I have had along the way. Watch for more.
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00:00 | Intro
00:53 | Past 2023 Mac Insights
01:45 | Physical Differences
03:50 | Performance
09:10| Finding The Right Mac For You
09:49 | Wrapping Up 
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Base Mac Studio + MacBook Air. Best combo for both desk and travel.
That’s my set up n I love it 😎
That sounds like the setup I'd like to get to eventually :D got the air, a solid Max-chip desktop would be 🤌
I have Studio + MBA setup, but I do feel like I'm missing out on that gorgeous MBP screen 😅
Agreed in general for those that work from home. Air for the few times out & about, and Studio for big business.
Had the mac studio with mba. Can def say that having just one device is far superior for my usage if $$ is not a problem. given that my mbp cost around 1-2k more than the combo.
I love that you always talk about how the machines perform in software development 👍 Most of the reviews/comparisons out there only touch the topic of software engineering or omit it completely and just focus on video editing.
Greetings from another software developer from Germany. Keep up the great work 💪
I purchased the M1 Studio Max when it released and a few months ago treated myself to a refurbished M1 Pro MBP 14 for travel (I upgraded from a mid-2012 MBP 13). This fits my use case the best so I wouldn't chose one over the other.
Fascinating, this is the comparison I was making the other day trying to figure out which would be more beneficial. Thanks for the video.
So it all boils down to: do you want a desktop or a laptop?
yeah also, pay more for portability or less if you work mainly at a desk
Also if you want 3D graphics acceleration, the M2 doesn't have this.
Bro. Nobody knows that until you have watched 200 comparison videos.
I just bought an M2 16” air about 2 months ago. It’s the first laptop I’ve owned in over 10 years. I hardly even use it, whereas I use my desktop and iPad far more often. The laptop just takes up too much space. It doesn’t fit well on the desk and I was trying to use it laying on the couch last night while my iPad was on the charger…it wasn’t working out very well.
I did use it for a zoom call earlier in the day, that was working good. I just like the desktops for doing work, and holding a tablet in my hands for casual.
The best way to decide is to go in the Apple store and get a feel for either one. I was pretty set on getting a Mac Studio until I went into the store. I tried the studio first and then went over to the MacBook. The second I started typing using the space black MacBook I instantly knew it was the one. I was surprised at how obvious the decision was when I actually went into the store. My favorite thing about laptops is if you ever need to go back to reference an old computer you can simply open it up and start using it, but if you have an old desktop you need to have a monitor, keyboard, power supply, and mouse to plug into before you can even look for an old file or do anything.
I miss going into quiet coffee shops with my old 2017 MacBook fan's a blazing and my butterfly keyboard clicky clacking like a clog dancer. 😆
Man I love the asthetics of your studio setup, super clean and cosy
It’s known now that the MBP 14” will suffer from thermal throttling after a period of time and you will hear the fan spin up. Whereas this is not an issue with the Mac Studio. It will perform better over an extended period of time and it will do so quietly.
Well explained and very informative. Thank you so much
could you please share the link to the laptop stand, that is gorgeous
Thank you, you helped me choose the correct SoC :)
Subscribed and looking forward to more awesome content! Great video bro
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What camera do you have mounted to the top of your monitor at the 0:22 second mark? I assume that's a camera anyways. Thanks man, great video!
unique, simple and professional revew. nice one
Could you do an Ai LLM test with ollama to compare tokens generation/second between the 2 machines. Curious is memory bandwidth, GPU cores, and cooling have any impact on the results and who is faster? A real world performance test.
Going to keep my M1Max 16” MBP and wait for the M3 Mac Studio. Do wish a desktop Mac and maybe later have a Mx MBP 14” to travel with.
Your comparison videos have been very valuable to me in making purchase decisions. Really well done videos. I really appreciate all of your efforts.
Glad to help!
Love your color grading!
can you link wallpaper from miniature?
It look gorgeous
Your color grade is on point! Do you use any LUTs?
How do you see the menu thing showing %'s and temperature and uptime at 9:39? Great vid btw
What an outstanding video, KE. I know I'm late to the party, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. Your broadcast skills on camera are so apparent; it is quite a talent. I'm guessing RUclips is not your first time doing this; if it is then it is even more impressive. It's just nice to get a professional, informative broadcast about Apple products. You would think there are plenty of channels that do that, and certainly plenty of channels cover Apple, but there is always some twist to those channels that make them less desirable to watch, IMO. Your channel has no such issues. Have a great week man.
Nice work. Anyway, I have a M2Max MacStudio as well with same spec. Now I'm going to buy M3Pro 11/14 18 512 base model. Thanks for sharing your honest review.
Video editing and photography by choice Studio
I bought a 16 inch MBP with 12 core M3 Pro chip, 18 GB RAM and 512 GB SSD. I chose it over a base model M2 Max Studio. Considering that the MBP came with a keyboard, a larger track pad than the 14” MBP, and Touch ID, (none of which comes with the Mac Studio), I figured that the price for both computers was about the same if I added a trackball and keyboard with Touch ID. I don’t plan on using the MBP away from my desk at home, but the portability might be useful in the future. And based on multiple reviews, the larger chassis on the 16” seems to run cooler with less fan noise than the 14”model.
As far as the display is concerned, it is awesome. It gives me a super high resolution monitor for my recording studio apps. It isn’t the size of an Apple Studio Display, but it does have about the same display quality. And it came with the MBP. Free.
I love my mac mini from 2012 (4core intel, 16Gb, 1T drive), use it for software development; coding, running a debugger, virtualization and docker - its really good. I prefer it to my mac book pro - given to me as a work machine, on paper the pro should run circles around the mini but does not. Ive been looking to replace my mini and trying to justify $2300 for the specs I want on the new mini vs. 2800 for the 14" pro (spec w/ 32 GB, 1T SSD, +1 cpu). It comes down to portability, do I need it? I have other laptops... So, thanks for this video!
i'm v new to Macs and this is the exact video i've been looking for for the past week lol ty king :3
I've got a 16" M1 MBP and love it. But when working at my desk I still prefer using a desktop Mac like an iMac. Right now I'm still using a 2013 21.5" iMac for stuff like browsing, emails, discord, ect. An Apple reseller had a 2020 27" iMac i5, 8GB ram, 512GB SSD new for $999 the other day. I know it's an intel Mac but for what I do it would be plenty fast and a big step up from my current iMac. And those 5K displays are so good. I wish Apple sold either a standalone 24" display or a cheaper 27" without all the extra junk most people don't care about.
thank you for making this video. I almost bought an m2 max 14 inch on the apple refurbished store, based on this video i'm definitely getting the m3 pro with 36gb ram.
How are you using macbook connected to an external display with the lid off?
I got a Mac studio the day they were released. Awesome machine. I have the 14" MacBook Pro which is good for travel. But the Studio has the ports for my editing studio at home. I am thinking about upgrading when the new Mac Studios M3s are announced. It is the ray tracking that I need. It will be a plug-and-play to swap out the boxes. Love the size of the Studio.
Watch to see if the M3 graphics upgrade actually performs a lot better in real world scenarios than the M2's or if it was all marketing hype.
Don't jump just because Apple tells you to.
This is great! I’m thinking of upgrading because I’m starting to do more video work, and my 2019 MacBook Pro is not cutting it (overheating and pretty simple videos are crashing premier pro). I was thinking I would get the m2 studio to avoid these types of headaches, but it sounds like the m3 MacBook Pro is capable of editing 4K video without noticeable difference? I’d prefer to stay on one computer for portability reasons.
i think it would really depend on whether you had a good laptop already, in that case you may want to have a solid home base machine, you can always keep them both synced, instead of getting another laptop only slightly better, as with most apple stuff, than the previous models (which you may not even notice any performance gain despite the figures on paper). i would go with what allowed me to have the most amount of memory for the buck, as if you do any large file work, that will be very important - not having to have to use a hub is also nice... (sd card readers are always iffy as basically when you get one built in, it is just a usb device internally connected and the problem with that is most card readers prefer the sd card to be inserted before they are plugged in to a a usb port - the issue with apples built in studio one is likely a software-hardware issue (port does not initiate the mount or reset after use) which may require a firmware fix if possible (when you use an sd card in the camera, you power off the camera, insert card, and power back on). anyway, whenever i get a new macbook pro, it is always a performance disappointment from what i expected over what i already had - keep in mind when laptops get hot, they throttle so the performance will likely degrade when you start using the gpu, ssd, and ram quite a bit - it will add enough extra heat to cause the cpu to run in low performance mode... so there is you argument for the studio with it's great ventilation for continuous heavy use.
I picked up a studio for work. I thought about a pro but concerned the ports for connecting to screens everyday would wear away.
thank you for this video
i am highly considering the mac studio because i already have an ipad that does more than enough for portable usage, but i wanted to make sure the performance would be more value in the m3 macbook pro compared to the mac studio
hopefully i get my mac studio in the next few weeks!
Super clear and concise video.
In your opinion, could it make sense for a video editor to replace a Macbook Pro 14" M2 Max 32/1TB with a Macbook 16" M3 Pro 36/512?
Why would you do that?
Dude, you need to do the test using the blender 4.0 version (and above) - it utilises the M3 ray tracing hardware - Seen a few tests that have it blowing away previous Mac configs.
Hi. I am an editor. I edit with Premiere and use After Effects for special effects. Is there a noticeable difference between these two devices for these tasks or is it less than 15%?
I'm a photographer and used the M1 Max Studio for a couple of weeks while my 2020 Intel i5 MacBook Pro was in the shop. I have this torture test that is from a client project. To export several hundred images in different sizes.
The Intel machine takes about 25 minutes to finish the project on the Intel machine. The Mac Studio took LESS THAN 5 minutes! Which is even more impressive as the test has several 100MB+ TIFF files. And even better, takes just a little longer over a 10Gb/s network connection than if all the files were local.
I could never find the memory bandwidth specs for my Intel laptop. But I'm sure it's less than what you stated in your video. I was using an M1 MacBook Air for another project and with a measly 8GB of RAM, could run circles around my 2x more expensive Intel MacBook Pro. Amazing little machine and probably just fine for most office needs. Except maybe if you need dual-monitors....
Right now, at this level, it's really all about preference. I love the Mac Studio because it keeps things tidy on the desktop. I hate cables and docks like what I'm using now. And there is a cost to that and potential compatibility issues. It happens. Even with reputable companies. And I'll get a heavily discounted, M1 Max laptop... It's totally fine for remote, creative needs....
Great video!
The Studio wouldn't be the only Apple product to have ports that work intermittently. The MagPort on my old 2012 MacBook Pro still works fine, but the one on my M1 MacBook Pro worked only four times before it began not working most of the time. Fortunately, the charger still works fine when using a USB-C cable/port.
I got the 16 inch M3 pro MBP 18/512 and is amazing compared to my 2019 MBP. The fans never even come on. It’s a bit faster than my M2 Pro Mac mini but just in benchmarks. At the time I couldn’t afford the M1 Mac Studio so I have bypassed it, but I did get the Studio display which is expensive but great quality. That replaces my 27inch iMac but in a more expensive but more flexible way.
realistically for most dev's even a base mac air metal is fine especially if you're not running compiles. for most general FE web dev you're not going to be doing much more than a transpile since you're really only dealing with JS. For some of us "lucky" few who are building DL models, it's completely different, your question is mainly how big a model can i fit and train at any sort of reasonable time, then also inference with different size models. Even here base mac metals are ok, for up to 7b models if 4 bit quantized (barely ok). The very temporary goal for NLP/LLM tasks, because it can all change in the AI world in a day, is what mac would fit a 70b non quantized model which is something I'd like to see too. Full size vision models, I just basically give up, they're far too big to do anything realistic on consumer hw. you jsut have to go to the cloud and that's the basic point. is it even worth trying to get a machine that can do some DL tasks locally or just completely give up and do it on a cloud GPU.
For 4K Video Editing Suggest me MacBook Pro M3 Pro or Mac Studio M2 Max Which one better ?
Do you need it right now? If you can wait, let's see what the Mac Studio M3 brings to the table.
If you don't need the portability of a laptop, why pay for it? The Studio would be the better option.
Very good video. I am on an M1 Air with 8GB and 512, so an M3Prp MBP would put me in a new universe Im sure - LOL - I need a laptop for work so there you go. My preference however is to have a laptop and a desktop so Im not risking downtime if the one and only computer I have goes down for any reason. So it might be MBP for now and a Mac Studio down the road a bit.
Feel like this is a pretty easy answer. If you want a desktop, get the studio. if you want a laptop, buy the macbook. Feel like that's the gist of the video right there
your not understanding that the M3 is the better processor only avail on the MBP
@@charliecarrillo9796 the difference in speed between the m3 pro and M2 Max is minimal. Also you're not understanding that it many situations, the M2 Max will be faster in the Mac Studio because it has better thermals and fans due to not having to make space for a battery. I stand by my original comment
What about the difference using for a hi-fi especially in reference to noise floor. Anyone know?
Link for the laptop stand pls
👍Great review. Let's see if docker will take 35.9GB out of 36GB on the macbook pro
I would pick the MacBook Pro. only because it is portable. It works because I'm mostly a nomad. but I'd love to have a home desktop setup. someday with a bigger display. I have mine in clamshell mode right now. that works out. but I worry about destroying the battery after being plugged for so long.
I purchased the MacBook Pro 16” base model today . I also ordered the Mac mini 2pro to run two 27” Apple studio monitors in my home , and will basically be using it for photoshop and Lightroom . I’m wondering if I should return the Mac mini and just use the MacBook as a desktop computer in clamshell mode , as it would also give me portability when I take pictures out of town , as I can download my Sd cards and review my photos also .
Do I really need both?
No, you don’t need both
If you have M3 pro-MBP then you don’t need any other device unless you need more ram
finally it's entirely up to you.
Hi! thanks for sharing this review! What about the MACbook pro using as a "desktop" unit so it's always powered and almost never on battery. This will kill the battery that could be a reason to go for the MAc studio. I have this experience with my 15" 2,9 Quad core 2017 model. I need to upgrade that is my only point of concern going again for a Macbook Pro. Some people say they are not build to always be powered. What's your experience or opinion on this one? Thanks
This doesn't happen anymore! I also had to replace the battery on my old intel machines a lot. macOS now recognizes when devices are plugged in and optimizes power for this, and at least on Apple Silicon, I've never had any problems on that front.
@@KyleErickson Hi Kyle thanks for your fast reply and answer. It helps in my decision it's going to be the M3 MAcbook pro :-)
Thanks for this/
Too bad you didn't address the obvious : fans and noise.
I would like to get the macBook for portability but I feel like, since I'm mostly working on a desk, I would benefit more from the Studio in terms of noise.
I often put my computer to intense workload and I need it to remain as quiet as possible, as long as possible.
But, so far, all comparisons are focusing on performance and rare are the videos tackling the fan noise problem.
I went with the 16" M3 Pro with 36 GB unified memory, mainly for my web development tasks (managing tons of Chrome tabs, Docker, VS Code, Figma, iOS Simulators, and other browsers for testing). Additionally, I'll use it occasionally for photo and video editing. In my use case, I believe it's the best choice over the M3 Max. While the power of the M3 Max looks impressive, I doubt it will make a noticeable difference for my workflow. Hoping I made the right choice: 16" M3 Pro instead of the 16" M3 Max Base.
How's the fan noise and temps during compiling or load? Can you even hear the fans if you push the machine to the max (in normal/auth mode, not high performance)
Great video ... your are on point - dont get caught up in benchmarks. Saving seconds and 30 seconds. Oh comeon. Nobody's time is that vauable that you need to save 30 seconds. Even minutes. It does not matter to most people. Hyped fictional benchmarks gives you an idea like you said. One should not decide from thouse numbers. Many other say if you know you nedd it - you know. And then they are not watching this video. They know. I think you are right with your assumptions that ports portability color battery should be the becaons. I would go for the M3 Pro 18GB and 512 GB storrage. That is not overkill - and you will not run out of anyting anytime soon. Most say that just owing a M-series you are alreadt on the winning team. Im om a i9 2 months before the M1 was released. I might go for a M3 AIR right now. The M3 Pro is probalby doulbe the price... but my i9 does what it need to. Warning my hands and simulate a jet-take off for no reason ;). The fans are soooo loud hahah - great video.
Could you please do a 18 vs 36GB RAM STRESS TEST?
Wait, which one is faster at rendering and exporting videos on final cut?
Studio/Max chip
@@KyleErickson not sure if I'm wording this correctly but how much faster would it be at rendering and exporting files in final cut?
The studio is about 30% faster in general I find, so like 15 min video would maybe render between 15-20 mins on the m3 pro, where m2 max would be 10-12 mins
Update:the sd card slot is working on my Mac Studio now 😅
I’m coming from a 2018 15” i9 MBP with 32gb ram. I’m thinking about getting a refurbished 14” base M2 Pro MBP, unless someone can convince me that the extra $400 for a new m3 pro is worth it.
If you buy a new machine fairly regularly, within about 5 years, then this isn't such an issue, but another factor is the OS support for the hardwares lifespan. I still have some great Macbooks that run well but the latest OS versions are not supported on the hardware. So if the specs and price are super close, factor in how long it'll be supported.
Kyle what about battery health? How does that weight into the equation? How long do these new batteries last? (Lifetime) etc …
That really depends on how you use your machine, and it's really hard to answer. I will say that Macs have gotten much battery at power management over the last 3-4 years, especially when plugged in. It used to be that if you'd left your Mac plugged in all the time at a desk, you'd kill the battery in a relatively short amount of time, but now they're really good at keeping the levels at a point where that never happens. If you're running off of battery power if you try and keep your battery between 20-80% charge, these should last you a very long time.
I got the MacBook Pro --- I needed the portability. if I had the cash I'd do both Mac Studio+studio display and the mid-tier MacBook Pro for travel..
Thank you for including blender 🙏🏾
I was going to get an M2 max studio, but I'm wait for that M3 max studio. I think it's gonna be insane.!!
Latter part of 2024, supposedly... if the country doesn't completely fall apart by then that is.
I was thinking about doing the same thing but wondering if it'd necessary since I don't do anything that needs a lot of juice
@@Getlost55 Get the 1TB SSD as the lower internal drive is so much slower. If you need more storage than 1TB, get an external Nvme drive enclosure.
@@dan_hitchman007 thanks for the input. I was definitely going to get the 1 Terabyte for sure. I wish it was standard
Don't forget the fan noise which is louder in the Macbook, while the Studio is silent.
I've never heard either make any noise
I’m really torn but think I’m going to order a Mac Studio and upgrade the SSD to 2TB. It works out cheaper than the M3 pro by about £600 once I spec it with the 2TB. I have a studio display already which i bought for my iPad Pro but have since discovered it’s still not great. I think i’ll just keep iPad M1 for web browsing.
Why not buy an NVME SSD and a thunderbolt enclosure instead? You can get some very fast transfers, probably at 2GB per sec with the right combo. Much cheaper and you can keep it forever.
@@user-uc9wv8hy5p yeah I get that but then I need another external to back that up as well which is my current set up to be honest. I just want to have as much as possible living on the internal and then its just one back up to make to an external. I will then have an another back up at my parents which will be done periodically.
This is exactly the video that I was looking for! I’ve decided to go for the M3 pro laptop with the 36 GB of memory.
I think you have made a good choice. You won’t regret anything about that at all.
@@bruhzooka Thanks, I am coming from a 2017 MacBook Pro so I have high hopes for this one
@@ThemBirds You are going to love it!
loving my M2 Studio! Rending 4k videos easily
i'd go with the studio and a macbook air for laptop. i prefer to do my hard core work at proper workstation and want a lighter laptop for every day cary
couldn't agree more
14" M3 Pro, 36GB Ram with Studio Display is the sweet spot for my needs. It's really having the best of both worlds imo!
So, it would seem the MacBook Pro might be my best option because it comes with the monitor and keyboard etc…maybe the best option to run adobe photoshop to photograph and make short videos for a small jewelry business?
even an m1 air would do you greatv
If you don't need the portability, a Mac Mini or Mac Studio might be the better solution. You have monitor and keyboard/mouse options and you DO NOT have to use overpriced Apple accessories.
Can you compare the 12/18 to the 14/30?
you save 50% time on encoding, everything else 20% faster
For me it's still the Studio. I don't need the portability of a new MacBook. I have an old MBP that works just fine for my needs. I do all my important work on a desktop. A Mac mini M2 Pro would even suit my needs. At some point I'll get a new MacBook, but probably an Air.
Id get the macbook for portability alone. I just got the M3 max 14 inch (14 30). upgraded from a base model 2018 touchbar macbook pro.
I bet that feels like night and day!
Man!!! Makes me upset that i kept intel that long@@KyleErickson
Do the fans go off easily on the 14 inch M3 Max?
No. It takes really heavy tasks for them to go off and when they do its pretty quiet. Only time I really heard them ramp up is when I was using Tapaz Video AI 4 to upscale and add frames to a 40 minute project.@@thedarksoul2104
I say get the laptop so you can bring it everywhere and it is a lot more flexible it can tern into a desk top then when you need to go somewhere just unplug it and leave
So…… it seems like m3 pro is better than m2 pro? It seems so, that is more blurrier to know which one is better m3 pro or m2 max
for me speed performance is all, I pick Mac Studio
Just wait for m3 max studio
We'll have to wait to see real world performance data (and not benchmark hoohaw) of 4k and greater video editing and effects rendering of the M3 chip dye. If it's not much better than the M2 Ultra, then I would bet the M2's are going to sell like hotcakes when Apple clears their inventory.
@@dan_hitchman007 I wish they would benchmark. Audio games multitasking and more video editing at 4k you can do in your phone fast enough.
They need other things to make people want one e other than saving a few rendering seconds .
the macbook pro m3 is priced almost identical to the macbook pro m2 max. Does anyone know which I should buy for editing videos? Which would you purchase if the prices were the same m3 pro or m2 max?
I keep looking for the same answer!!! What did you concude?
@@sebastiancubillos5962 I ended up purchasing the macbook pro m2 max. This really describes both here at ruclips.net/video/rXYfOyQ8ysM/видео.html
Looking for the same answer!! Will an M3 Pro with 18 core gpu and 18gb RAM outperform an M2 MAX with double the gpu cores and double the RAM for video editing? Same price for both
For video editing workstations, get a Mac Studio. If you can hold off, see what kind of performance real people get out of the Studio M3 later this year with its supposedly improved graphics processor.
I'm gonna buy mac studio. Because of lack of memory on mbp base model(18gb). I develop android/ios app, so i use ios/android simulator(not only but many at once). Also I run local app server for app testing with docker. Now I'm suffering with m1 mac mini 16gb. In this kind of workflow, choosing mbp basic ram memory is like suicide. And I already have keyboard, mouse, monitor, and m1 macbook air for the light workload at the place where is out of my house.
For the less technically sophisticated of us what exactly is “ray tracing” and how does it factor into everyday use?
3D video effects work and gaming. That's what it's mainly for.
Very helpful! But I'm already in a progressive rock band that sings about USB specs. You see, prog rock songs can be 20+ minutes long.... 🤦♂️😉
the laptop just for the screen!
I'm seeing people in the comments upgrading a 2020 M1. That's insane to me as I've been editing long 4K raw video timelines with effects on a PC I custom built in 2015 and only upgraded the GPU in 2020 which was a $350 expense. If you live and breath Apple products you are most likely overspending every few years to buy the latest. Kind of sad to see really.
easy to overspend whether you're on PC or Mac - it doesn't sound like you're upgrading your GPU or your PC as frequently, but that doesn't mean there isn't a consumer base who isn't doing that exact same thing on PC - you could likely say the same thing of almost every brand.
Meanwhile I'm still rocking my 2013 15" Macbook Pro. Been 11 years now with the same computer but I'm finally ready to upgrade, although my old laptop is still going strong. Not all of us Apple folks upgrade constantly.
M2 Max studio on sale for the win.
How much? I am debating on exchanging my M3 Pro Macbook for desktop M2 Max Studio.
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Unbelievable Nicely 😶🌫️
so sdcard reader wasn’t improved since mbp 2010? 😂
You should use a third party reader anyway.
Always the laptop, best of both worlds.
Not necessarily.
Your face look like ai
I have never had a problem with it. I started the Studio because I was looking for a desktop to replace my aging Windows desktop. Then after traveling, I wanted a macBook for traveling so I got the base 16 inch model.
I have a windows desktop that's not old. The blue screen of death happens frequently for no damn reason. So I'm thinking of doing what you did