Forcing MacOS 14 Sonoma onto a MacBook Pro 17”
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2023
- Today we are going to be shoving Mac OS Sonoma onto a 2010 MacBook Pro and absolutely NOTHING is going to go wrong.....
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Yes I called the "2015 Retina MacBook" a "MacBook Air" yes that was just a small vocal error.
Also I didn't realise that the RAM sticks were labelled 2x4GB. Bit confusing when it had both 2x4GB and 8GB written on the sticks but oh well
yippppppppyyyyyyyyyyyy
Now retest this macbook with the two ram sticks installed ❤😂👍
i believe the ram sticks are both 8gb, but each port only supports upto 4gb of ram, therefore macOS is seeing 8 gigs
No, you're just blind my guy
it says 2x4gb under the 8gb on the label.. @@l2bprod
The fact you unintentionally booted into windows on a 17 inch macbook pro is honestly crazy
Well windows can always dualboot on Intel Macs
and trust me if anyone would know, it's @stevejobsreal !
truly mjd moment
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@@EzW030 okfrdk okfrdk.
Actually dankpods
agreed
The reason why it ran so poorly was likely because of the fact that it’s a computer that doesn’t support Apple’s Metal graphics API, which has been used for more and more throughout the system lately. 2012+ computers support Metal and have a way more enjoyable experience with OCLP, trust me.
And that landscape wallpaper is most likely encoded in a codec that had to be software-decoded so that's another punch.
I use MBP late 2013, i7, 4/256 for Sonoma. Perfectly works.
Which is why I’m thinking on putting MacOS Catalina on this Mid-2007 20” iMac I got my hands on
should i put sonama on imac late 2013 16 gigs?
@@Poggy2 yes
Macbook be like IM A SURFACE BOOK NOW AND I WILL BOOT WINDOWS
😂
Lol
support trans-OS minorities
@@foxroyalyty minorities?! :O
My advice for you to make it faster would be disable the memory management system (it makes non supported Macs slower as its swaps memory on a weird way) disable all blur and transparencies and finally, disable spotlight indexing, that way you will have a better experience with OCLP
What do you mean the memory management system? It can't be disabled, do you mean disable swap?
I literally put Sonoma last week on an early 2009 MacBook Pro 17, works well except you need a USB hub for the keyboard and mouse to install it
care to post a video ?
how? the gpu does not support metal, so it must feel painful to use with software rendering
18:20 RUN! BECOME FASTER, MY CHILD!
- frokfrdk, 2023
For it to work, it's best to make the installer on the target machine itself, because the installer needs to be specific to your machine, even if you choose the correct one from a list, you can still run into problems, i run Monterey on a 2012 air and it works just fine, even, with 4gb of ram. Yes they can't download macos sonoma directly, but you can use a utility called Mist, where you can download any macos version that apple has on their servers ;) so now you know. I also tried Sonoma, but it is still way to buggy, yes, even on my mom's MacBook Pro M1 Pro 16 inch
Yeah I specified it off camera and it's why it errored out in the video
I once mismatched the OpenCore and MacOS versions. I installed a Sonoma version for 8,1 (early 2011 unibody) on an 11,3 (2013 Retina). It lagged, the UI looked tiny and was unable to scale, Wi-Fi didn't work and the wallpaper wasn't showing. It got fixed though
Wooh new frokfrdk video happy to be supporting you
You sir earned my respect and sub. Very funny and entertaining, also learned a lot today. Keep up the good work
Open Core Legacy Patcher support for Sonoma is still really early, I would guess most of these issues will be solved in the next weeks / months. Then again, maybe not, Apple has been determined to make older Macs harder and harder to support since Big Sur and Ventura / Sonoma needs some really hacky workarounds on pre-Metal GPU and early Metal GPU, without mentionning the problems with some touchpads, poor ressources management, etc. Ventura has the advantage of being a year old at that point, Open Core is pretty stable with it, but at release, it was rough.
its crazy how much road you diud in only 3 months from 3 to 11k subscribers, props to you my friend your videos are very enjoyable
you are one of the best channels on this website please keep doing this i love it
I love your videos man. Thank you for making them.
would be cool if they made a 17" mbp arm
I would rock it if they made one that could get a week on a charge and had room filling speakers
macbook ultra
starting at $3,999
They already have an 16''' and the most recent one 15'' so that's not happening any time soon.
Good job frokfrdk! Keep it up!
this video came just in time I literally just got a late 2009 iMac
5:46 got me questioning apple
It running slowly at the start reminded me of when I had tried to use MacOS Ventura on a 2012 MacBook Pro with a hard drive.
Let me say it's NOT a pleasant experience...
Though as soon as I got an SSD in it and Ventura installed on that, it worked like a dream and is actually very competent as a media/light office computer!
Modern MacBooks don't use Torx screws for the case, they use Pentalobe. It strips really easily if you try to use a Torx driver to open it
The Mac be like: I'm gonna run Windows now
All 17' MacBook Pro have dedicated graphics, for example yours has the Geforce gt 330m. Also the gt 330m doesn't cook itself, you're thinking of the 2011 15" and 17" Pros with the Radeon HD 6750m and 6770m respectively.
These Radeon 6xxx gfx cards were also used on the 2011 iMacs causing issues there as well. I still haven’t figured out if it were the 6750 and 6770 only or all 6 series Radeon cards.
@@zizlog_sound the 6750m in the 21.5” iMacs generally don’t fail much, but the 6770m and 6970m from the 27” iMacs are much more susceptible to failure. Less so than the MacBook Pros, but still pretty likely. One advantage of the iMacs is that the graphics are replaceable due to being MXM. You can put a GTX 660m into them and flash it with Mac firmware to get a metal supported GPU that won’t fail. Allows you to install Mojave and Catalina and have better support in Big Sur and up.
i have a macbook pro 17" ended 2011 :( 2,4 GHz Intel Core i7 , 8gb , 512 ssd, with Intel HD Graphics 3000 512 MB and AMD Radeon HD 6770M. with matte display, its is wonderfull and still works fine. I want to do the upgrade but im scared. what would you recommend?
@@zizlog_sound all 6 series M cards. Although the 21.5” 2011 was a lot less susceptible to failure than the 27”. You can also replace the graphics cards in the iMacs, while you cannot in the MacBooks.
You can install windows 11 on a MacBook and it's pretty easy, I had a tough time figuring it out but once I got it it is a straight forward process (on a 2012 MacBook, should work on 2010 to)
In the settings of OCLP, you can increase the time the OpenCore bootloader stays on the screen. I usually set it to ten seconds. As far as the grphics issues, OCLP 1.0.1 is supposed to install root patches automatically, but I suspect that you may need to reindtall them.
I also have a 2010 17 macbook pro, use day to day, absolute beast and wonderful machine. Mine is specd out with i7-640m (doesn’t matter today so much because it’s dual core, the same as your i5, 16gb ram, gt 330m, samsung 870Qvo 1TB, planning to swap cd drive out for 2nd ssd. Installed macOS Sonoma on the older version on oclp, runed like yours. Installed Ventura, been running for over 2 months, everything works fine, the safari open after half a second after clicking it’s a day to night difference with sonoma. To be fair Sonoma=Ventura feature and feel like. Everything works, even graphics acceleration, annimations smooth. On Ventura everything’s snappy, i usually use with multiple apps open including safari+chrome, shows no signs of weekness, everything’s snappy af. Usa a lot for dy’ing, music production, office apps. 17 inch macbook pro , the best macbook pro ever made, beast. Such as an e39 m5, the fastest sports sedan ever made. Period. Everyone using 17 macbook I do recommend upgrading to Ventura.
Do you have an overheating problem? Thank you
Is getting worse, but actually not, the reason is heavy dust buildup in fans, waiting for a screwdriver kit to arrive, because of those tiny stupid bolts
I will clean it, repaste, shuld be completely fine, there are 2 fans, one good way is to manually speed up one fan so it doesn’t allow even the heatsink to soak up heat, and left other one at auto, set mine left to 2200rpm, that’s the treshold where higher i start hearing it, you can also disable turbo boost for cpu, if using for daily tasks
@@s23670hope this helps
bro is it js me or is this guy the Dankpods of macbooks
subscribing rn
I run this exact laptop with MacOS Ventura, it is running quite well. I use it as a big dvd player at my treadmill and watch the occasional Netflix/Disney shows.
The ram is still 8 gb, it is a pair of ram (2x4) as was labeled on the ram.
I never even noticed that until now, that is extremely misleading how they wrote it.
No, look at any desktop sticks, the labeling convention has been the default by OEMS for at least the last decade.@@frokfrdk
@@frokfrdk I agree
Patriot did it a lot. It was to show it was part of a kit, not to be misleading.@@frokfrdk
@@EvilTurkeySlices it's stupid, it shouldn't say 8GB as the largest lettering on the RAM
1:22 Nostalgia hits me there
Hey, just an F.Y.I that the 2010 17" MacBook Pro DOES indeed support 2x8GB 1066/1067 DDR3 SODIMM Ram. A couple reasons why you weren't able to see 16GB active. 1. You simply had a bad RAM stick. 2. For 16GB to work, you need to get 1066/1067 MHz RAM (certain older MacBooks will not work with higher clocked RAM. 3. (most obvious) It Needs an EFI Update.
I assure you, 16GB works. Apple will state that only 8GB will be recognized, but it's actually 16. I have 16GB 1066MHz Dual Channel in my Mid 2010 Polycarbonate MacBook, which only was seen AFTER an EFI update.
Great Video Though, Dude!
@@CollynPlayz he's just explained it...
You could always try this with a different ssd because those Kingston drives don’t have dram so they are sometimes slower than hdds! Great video!!
I thought after you install OCL you also need to run a patch afterward?
I upgraded my 2018 MBA from Ventura to Sonoma about 2 months ago and even with that supported setup the Sonoma animation come in and out once in a while, so I am not going to go crazy trying to install Sonoma onto my MBP 2011. Just watching this video saves me the headaches and hours. Thanks.
You mentioned drilling out screws.
You can get mini screw extractor set for approx £16 from the big A
APFS instead of journaled would better utilize the SSD upgrade
if you install modern macOS on a Mac OS Extended (Journaled) formatted drive it will convert it to APFS before proceeding with the installation
In my experience with legacy core patcher and doing this on older macs it dosnt unless done explicitly in disk utility have done on 6+ mid2012 macbook pros and 2008-2009 imacs there is also a convert to APFS option if using existing install @@rafaf777
on a hackintosh, it is actually possible to disable this auto convert. i just don't know how. @@rafaf777
iirc dosdude1 patch did actually disable them
You should install Mac OS Ventura/Monterey on it, Monterey is very good even on a 13inch 2010 core2 duo MacBook. I have installed Ventura on 2011/2012 MacBook pros and it runs fantastic. Sonoma is very new and open core still needs to iron it out
I love this kind of content as a dankpods viewer
i know this video is over 2 months old but the opencore legacy patcher works that way it detects the macbook where you try to make installer for mac os sonoma installer it also install automatically patches for system what opencore detects where you create it so you got wrong patches and drivers what isn't for your macbook where you tried to install so you got driver confict. if you use opencore legacy patcher to create installer for other computer you need change the target in opencore legacy patcher program to the computer indentifier where you want to install macos sonoma to get right patches and drivers.
It's now time to install tiny 11 on it
This is where i found my favorite youtube channel.
I used opencore myself on a 2011 15” macbook pro and it's no joke now my daily driver laptop runs sonoma really well and being able to upgrade it to 16GB of ram and an SSD makes the system still feel really modern. ik i'm using the mac with the cursed gpu but mine still seems to work atm
Your Mac model is either affected by the ram slot glitch where it only registers one stick or you have a bad ram stick/slot
You won me over in 30 seconds... new sub
Yooo no way! I watch your videos!
try re doing the root patches and the default audio source sometimes changes try that also
@frokfrdk lol lots of people say that 😝 keep up the good work you’re about to pass me in subs 👍
hey, I've been trying to do this on my old 2010 11' macbook air, and when it finished the installation it white screened, but in complete honesty I didnt leave it alone for very long... did you have a long whitescreen between the end of the installation and the bootup? I want to get macos big sur or monterey? wondering what you thought of it?
another banger video
The video screen savers are 4K250FPS so that's probably why it was struggling lol. I have a 2008 MacBook pro I'd like to try this on with the 8600MGT and 512 VRAM, I'd be interested in seeing how it handles Sonoma.
you kinda remind me of dank pods, the editing and everything, anyways good video
This installation would have gone smoother if you had first zapped the PRAM before starting the EFI Partition on your USB stick. Also, when the USB drive booted up the MacOS Recovery the very first thing that you should have opened was Disk Utilities and erased itthe internal Hard Drive and formatted it as APS and as a GUID partition map BEFORE moving on to the Sonama OS installer. This is whats known as a 'clean installation' and what should be done on hard drive except with exception of an upgrade from currently installed OS software to a nerwr version of the OS in which case the drive already has the proper formatting and partition mapping installed on the internal drive. Personally I was amazed that you didn't even know to do this because it has been Computer 101 practically since the invention of what we know today as a hard drive. Prior to hard drives applications were boot loaded on to computers using magnetic tape or floppy drives that didn't need to be formatted when installed. Hard Drives formatted for modern MacOS computers and the Hard Drives formatted for modern Windows PC's are not compatable with each other. The MacOS hard drive APS format is not natively recognized by a Windows PC and a Hard Drive that has been formatted as NTSF for a Windows PC can not be recognized by a MacOS booted from an APS drive. I believe the only reason that you were at all able to see both the Windows and the MacOS system software running at the same time on the same drive was due to the internal drive booting from the installed Open Core Legacy Patcher's UFI Boot partition. What you should do is shutdown your MacBook and plug in your Open Core Legacy Patcher Sonama USB drive and restart and hold down the Optin, Apple, the P and the R keyboard keys while the Mac boots until you hear the startup chime to zap the PRAM clearing the onboard memory before installion. I've found that if you continue to hold those keys down til you hear a second louder chime is more effective at clearing the memory. After the second chime continue to hold down the option while releasing the other keys and until the MacOS Recovery loads and then you can install Sonoma. During the OS installation process your Mac will reboot several times during the instal which is normal although on some of the older Mac models the installation may stall or stop completely during any one of those restarts but I found that if I restart the Mac while zapping the PRAM until the second chime it will continue the install to completion. I am currently running Sonoma on an early 2008 MacPro.
Looks like many mjd and dank pod watchers are being recommended here, me included.
thank you for finally showing what its actually like on non-metal macs.. i tried installing Monterey on my mid-2009 13" MacBook Pro and it wasn't awful (with max 8GB RAM and an SSD) but it got sooo hot, over 90* Celsius, and wasn't very quick. even after downgrading it back to El Capitan, it's still sooo slow 😭😭
might be good to redo the thermal paste and adjust the fan curve
13:40 is crazy that you said Napa because I’m actually watching this video from Napa. I live in San Francisco and I’m visiting some friends. I never visit the (bliss) hill but I have it save on google map maybe today will be that day 😂
Edit; it’s been raining here and the hills are looking green so it should be nice to take a picture.
Perhaps OCLP Big Sur quite runs very well on this device since it has the graphic accelerations better than the latest..
I've it also running on my 2010 pro 17" but the battery is for my feeling not working that good 😂 do you also experience that issue?
When using and pulling the adapter out of the laptop it will work for a few seconds or minutes😅
I have a 2010 13" Macbook Pro, and it is still huge. I just upgraded to the 2019 13" macbook air (wasnt a great idea), and it is soooo much smaller
got one of these with the i7 and the upgraded screen for free, has a pixel wide defect in the screen, i shoved 16 gb ran and a 512gb ssd and its the best laptop ive ever had!
I have a mid 2012 macbook pro 13 inch and I Got macos Sonoma on it andit works great. It still has the disk drive and it's my daily driver.
i had a (maxed out) mid 2010 17” mbp in like 2019 ish and even when using the dosdude patcher to run mojave it was struggling lol (much more usable than this though), wish i kept it though to use as my ipod itunes machine (which now is a mid 2012 13” mbp tri booting windows 10, macos x mavericks, and mac os monterey)
i love how when you booted into windows it decided to become a normal pc and not let you install mac os lol
Forcing macOS Sonoma onto it sound like a real lot of pain
24:00 the real XP experience
i have a 2012 macbook air which runs sonoma fine mostly due to the fact it supports metal
slight correction, the smallest Mac that apple made was actually the 11 inch MacBook Air.
In some dimensions the 12" MacBook is actually smaller than the 11" Air
@@frokfrdk but google says the 11 inch is the smallest lol, guess ya never know
Laptop inches are measured by the screen size, the 11" Air has thicker bezels than the 12" MB
this is called hackintoshing the macintosh
This vid made me check if any of my laptops were hackintoshable and my 2012 lenovo is!
And we...
(cricket) (cricket) (cricket)
(cricket) (cricket) (cricket)
(macOS boot chime)
turn it on!
You didn't re-apply the thermal compound on the CPU in this age old device, it makes this run hot, and throttles the CPU and makes it perform bad.
And I believe some connection pin on one of the RAM slots might be broken or so.
Your 120GB SSD is practically useless since it was probably heavily used on your previous machine, and the 120GB doesn't have much NAND chips. I would suggest to replace it with a 500GB version (if possible, with TLC NAND ad not QLC)
Try throwing that ram back in and do a pram reset a couple of times and some Macs will see the other stick and work
I have four of the 2011 17" Macs. Running ventura and they work perfectly fine Stream live sports just as good as my M1 Max Mac
Try see if the audio device is a random output. If it is, switch it back, or switch it to a pair of headphones.
Sonoma is just a bit goofy in general. Ever since upgrading to Sonoma on my AMD hackintosh when I sync my music to my iPod video it shows the album art completely messed up.
I agree. I installed Sonoma on a mid 2010 MacBook but I wasn't thrilled with the results or wanting to risk the possibility of the headaches involved with having to deal with future and as yet undiscoved bugs on a patched and unsupported computer running a new and largely untested Operating System version(alyhough I trust that frequently updating the legacy patcher software will likely remedy most issues going forward). I decided my best move at the present was to install OS Monterey because it has been well tested and is stable and will still receive security updates from Apple for some time.
It's good to also show things that go wrong, this stuff is never easy going. One thing I do not understand: what is it that you did differently at 11.30 for the Sonoma EFI to show up on the boot screen, not just the Win EFI ? You say "I forgot to do something" but what was that ? Thank you very much.
I forgot to specify the device in opencore
I've had the issue before with regards to dedicated GPUs that fail... I had one with a 320M (I think) and I had to force it (in software) to always use the integrated GPU, otherwise it would kernel panic whenever it felt like, including when scrolling through a Spotify playlist!
Also, depending on how this goes, I still have one Unibody machine left, I might try forcing a more modern OS onto it... It has 10.13 High Sierra, the maximum it can take, and sadly even basic applications such as Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox and Spotify, no longer support 10.13!
Why the heck did you do Mac OS Extended (Journaled) for macOS 14 Sonoma??? Since 10.12 Sierra or 10.13 High Sierra apple has been using APFS.
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I feel like anything older than 2012 is not worth it to keep for OCLP and trying to use them today.
And that's just because of Metal.
My MacBook Pro 15" mid-2012 non-Retina runs actually good on OCLP, it has i7, 16GB or RAM and 2TB SSD so yeah
This was entertaining.
5:38 its an 8Gb Kit. It LITERALLY says 2x4Gb on each of those Sticks. Thats pretty much normal especially on these days for Dual Channel kits to show the whole capacity and in smaller Numbers the "actually" size for each Stick. So no 16Gb its 8Gb and even if it wont Support 16Gb it probably still will as my 2008 only Supports 4Gb but it came with 2Gb and I put in 2x4gb and got the whole 8gb. :)
I wish you can do a video on multiple boot of Mac OS on one SSD with open core boot
Druaga1 called, he wants his ssd's back.
I knew you were in for some trouble when I saw you choose “Mac OS Extended Journaled” when installing @12:39.
Ya too used to doing stuff for older MacOS versions
@@frokfrdk would love to see an update if you max the out RAM, and apply APFS for the file system. Keep up the great work man.
@MrSamPhoenix I'm likely gonna downgrade this to Monterey so it runs better, thanks for watching!
since you booted windows without mac os there will be no sound driver there for get and old pair of hair headphones cut the aux of the then plug in the headphones then go to sound setting then setting sound and click on internal speakers then sound should play but keep the aux in to here sound.
Maybe an added ram will make it smoother?
No ones gonna talk about how the 12” macbook has a larger trackpad than the 17” MacBook Pro 😂
How did you get past USB 1.1 issue Your mouse and keyboard shouild not have worked. Did you use external USB keyboard / mouse through USB 2./ 3 hub?
It just worked, these MacBooks don't have that issue
This laptop is deez nuts
thx it really helped iv'e tried it on my 2012 13inch macbook pro (i5) but i have 1 problem everytime i restart the macbook i need to select the boot option manually and i don't know how to set it to standard i tried shift and command and installed open core and applied the root patch but nothing helped
Gigantic Macbook but yet still has a tiny trackpad 😂😂😂
I have a 2015 macbook air (i5 4gb) running Sonoma and when i turn it on for the first time is laggy and slow but after a few min's its very snappy and fast. It does overheat alot but i have macs fan control have the fan on full blast at all times and over heating is gone.
Epic vid (from your discord server)
They still sell the external dvd drive so I think that's why they still have the dvd menu stuff
Turned your Macbook into a huuuuge Chromebook? At least similar performance now 😂
OCLP works perfect and easy to use
I think you are safe when it comes to the graphics of the machine. The 2010 model uses Nvidia dedicated graphics, while the 2011 model uses AMD graphics. The 2011 model is the one where the graphics chip(AMD) stops functioning.
holy shit that is huge
Is That OpenCore Legacy Patcher?
5:35 it says that is 2x4 kit, always check this
I tried Ventura on mine and it was completely unusable for me. I def do not have any hope of this running any better.
I bet opencore has or is working on a patch for the sound drivers just have to patch em in.
gosh i miss being able to swapp the ssd without paying $2000 for an extra 1tb